GOP concocts imaginative scheme to steal elections

A Republican presidential candidate hasn’t carried Michigan since the first George Bush did it back in 1988, seven election cycles ago. And for the GOP, the future doesn’t look much brighter than the past. In the most recent election, Barack Obama carried the state and its 16 electoral votes by a comfortable margin of 9.5 percentage points.

So what’s a losing party to do? Field a better candidate? Develop a message that voters will find more compelling? Nah. Why do things the hard way when you can “fix” the system to your advantage legislatively?

As Reid Wilson explains in National Journal, Michigan Republicans are preparing to use their control of the state Legislature to change the way in which electoral votes are awarded in their state. Rather than use the traditional winner-take-all system, they propose to award electoral votes by congressional district.

What would that mean in practice? It would mean that in 2012, Obama would have won just seven of Michigan’s 16 electoral votes, even though he carried the state very easily. Mitt Romney would have won nine electoral votes even though he lost his native state convincingly.

How could that be? Because unlike state boundaries, boundaries of congressional districts can be gerrymandered to favor one party over another. In Michigan’s case, its congressional districts have been heavily gerrymandered to maximize GOP power and minimize Democratic power, and if you use those same boundaries to award electoral votes in a presidential race, you get that same distorted outcome.

And as Wilson points out, Michigan is far from the only state where Republicans have control of the legislative process and hope to implement such changes:

Pennsylvania: Obama won the Keystone State by 5 percentage points in 2012. Again, no GOP presidential candidate has carried the state since 1988. But under the altered rules, Pennsylvania would have produced 12 electoral votes for Romney in 2012, leaving only eight for Obama, even though the Democrat carried the state by almost 300,000 votes.

Wisconsin: Republicans haven’t carried Paul Ryan’s home state since 1984, and in 2012 Obama won its 10 electoral votes by a margin of 6.7 percentage points. But under the altered system, Obama would have had to split those 10 electoral votes evenly with the loser.

Florida: Obama has now carried the state twice in a row by narrow margins. But if presidential votes tracked congressional votes, Romney would have won 17 of Florida’s 29 electoral votes under the altered system, leaving only 12 for the candidate who actually won a majority of the state’s votes.

Ohio: Obama carried the state in both 2008 and 2012. But if the rules had been changed and presidential votes tracked congressional votes, he would have won only a third of Ohio’s 18 electoral votes, giving two-thirds to the candidate who lost the state.

Virginia: Obama won the state for the second time in a row in 2012, this time by four percentage points. But under the GOP plan, his likely reward for that victory would have been just five of the state’s 13 electoral college votes.

Under the Constitution, each state has the right to determine how its electoral votes are distributed, which would make it difficult to challenge such changes legally. In fact, Maine and Nebraska already use such a system, although neither state adopted it for partisan purposes.

In addition, the congressional maps in Maine and Nebraska are not heavily gerrymandered, which makes a big difference. In states with gerrymandered maps, such a system might be vulnerable to legal challenge on the grounds that politicians were consciously trying to discount the value of votes cast by certain U.S. citizens while enhancing the value of others.

Because as Wilson reports, the GOP is pretty clear about its intent:

“If you did the calculation, you’d see a massive shift of electoral votes in states that are blue and fully [in] red control,” said one senior Republican taking an active role in pushing the proposal. “There’s no kind of autopsy and outreach that can grab us those electoral votes that quickly.”

The proposals, the senior GOP official said, are likely to come up in each state’s legislative session in 2013. Bills have been drafted, and legislators are talking to party bosses to craft strategy. Saul Anuzis, the former chairman of the Michigan Republican Party, has briefed Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus and Chief of Staff Jeff Larson on his state’s proposal. The proposal “is not being met with the ‘We can’t do that’ answer. It’s being met with ‘I’ve already got a bill started,’ ” the official said.

I particularly admire the cynicism behind the admission that “there’s no kind of autopsy and outreach that can grab us those electoral votes that quickly.” In other words, why try to appeal to more voters or reassess your platform when, by legislative fiat, you can in effect all but steal electoral votes and perhaps the election itself?

The potential implications of such a change would be profound. For example, it would add another layer of incentive for politicians to gerrymander congressional districts. In addition, Ohio and other states would no longer be battleground states; instead, you’d have battleground districts, where political war would be waged intensely while surrounding congressional districts were ignored.

Overall, if the changes in question had been in place in all six states listed above, Romney probably would have won an additional 63 electoral votes. Add that to the 206 votes that he did win, and Romney has 269 votes, creating an electoral college tie with Obama.

That tie in turn would have thrown the race into the House of Representatives, where Republicans hold a narrow majority thanks in part to their success at gerrymandering.

Which means that Romney, having lost the popular vote by almost four percentage points and 4.7 million votes, would today be President-elect Romney.

– Jay Bookman

675 comments Add your comment

ATL Tiger

December 18th, 2012
11:16 am

“GOP concocts imaginative scheme to steal elections”, is it really ’stealing’ if it’s legal and constitutional?

If anything, doesn’t this strengthen the republic form of government?

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
11:16 am

Must make y’all proud to be a Republican…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
11:17 am

If Presidents are named by the EC after losing the popular vote on a repeated basis, democracy ultimately loses.

Jackie

December 18th, 2012
11:19 am

There is no shame in the so-called conservatives game.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
11:20 am

Jay, is there any reason not to eliminate the EC altogether at this point? It’s original purposes have long since past.

Tom

December 18th, 2012
11:22 am

Yet it’s the liberals who continue the fight to prevent any and all safeguards against voter fraud in this country. Why?…because it’s overwhelmingly Democrats that have and will continue to benefit from voter fraud.

Peadawg

December 18th, 2012
11:23 am

How about we just do away w/ the EC all together and go with the popular vote?

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
11:24 am

Oh, pleeeese try to do this Republicans. You’ll join parties like the Free Soil and Greenbacks on the trash heap of history.

Granny Godzilla

December 18th, 2012
11:24 am

Tom

December 18th, 2012
11:22 am
Yet it’s the liberals who continue the fight to prevent any and all safeguards against voter fraud in this country. Why?…because it’s overwhelmingly Democrats that have and will continue to benefit from voter fraud.
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Good Lord…another one who paid no attention at all in the last election cycle.

Georgian

December 18th, 2012
11:27 am

That is cheating to fix a system to work dysfunctionally….it may be legal but it does smell like a cheat!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
11:27 am

Well, here is some pros and cons of just eliminating the EC: http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/INFORMATION/electcollege_procon.php

But that discussion presumes that its current structure will not be tampered with to distort election outcomes with gerrymandering. The GOP attack does offer some twists. Atlanta could send a few EC votes to the Dems.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
11:28 am

Tom, I bet you think ACORN did it in 2012 right? You’ve got that proof, right?

Shaunaerriella

December 18th, 2012
11:28 am

Does that Electoral College have a football team?

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
11:29 am

And, I guess you believe that Romney didn’t garner one single solitary vote in some Philly divisions? Not one single dirty Republican out of 19,600 voters? Or districts in Colorado where more people voted than there are voting-aged people in the district? When there was only about a 60% nationwide turnout?

Yep, gotta watch them Republicans!

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
11:31 am

Must make y’all proud to be a Republican…

December 18th, 2012
11:31 am

Corbin Sharpe @ 11.16 — as one of the $250+K families who will be ‘forced’ to pony up more of our ‘fair’ share I’m for anything to offset your president’s 47%….

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:31 am

Well I guess we should just follow the lead of the democrats and just outright lie and cheat. I wonder why anyone should oppose having an ID to vote, unless they intent to cheat the system. The left has opposed and ID to vote forever, gee I wonder why…

things that make you go hmmmm

December 18th, 2012
11:31 am

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:32 am

Or districts in Colorado where more people voted than there are voting-aged people in the district? When there was only about a 60% nationwide turnout?”

Right. I’m sure that happened. I’m equally sure that all those extra voters traveled to the voting booth riding unicorns. Just a hint: If you use absurd “facts” to support your argument, you make your whole argument look absurd.

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:32 am

If you pay taxes all your life, why does the government deserve 45% of it when you die, isn’t that double taxation?

Rafe Hollister

December 18th, 2012
11:32 am

As a conservative, I’m for one person/one vote and think this is the wrong way to go. We need the EC, but this is just poorly thought out tinkering. It is not however, “stealing elections”, because as you state above, under the Constitution, each state has the right to say how its EC votes are determined. Stealing suggests illegal activity is involved. Would the Dems do the same thing if they had the chance, sure, look at how Roy Barnes drew up his districts to maximize the Dem vote in 2000. An advantage for one party today, often turns around and bites that party later, when the other side is in control.

Class of '98

December 18th, 2012
11:33 am

We’ve gotten to the point of “win by any means necessary” by both sides. Al Franken won his Senate seat by blatant voter fraud. If either Republicans or Democrats think their side plays fair while the other cheats, they are extremely naive.

It is very sad. And yet another reason not to put faith in government.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:34 am

“The GOP attack does offer some twists. Atlanta could send a few EC votes to the Dems.”

Well, it might, except for the fact that the GOP has no intention whatsoever of implementing such a system anywhere except where it would give them an unfair advantage.

But I’m sure you knew that. :>)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
11:34 am

I wonder why anyone should oppose having an ID to vote, unless they intent to cheat the system.

How much are you willing to spend, on a per head basis, to develop and distribute this national ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the problem of illegal aliens?

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
11:34 am

And that Church of brotherly Love, Westboro, is at it again, but got hacked… :)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/12/17/anonymous_hacks_westboro_baptist_church_over_sandy_hook_picket_is_there.html

Sorry for the off topics Jay, but GOP cheating is old news…

Moon Mullins

December 18th, 2012
11:35 am

A piece meal approach to a system that has been in place since the beginning — a short-cut to solving the problem of idiots saying stupid things and losing elections.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
11:35 am

And, I guess you believe that Romney didn’t garner one single solitary vote in some Philly divisions?

When that division only has 12 registered Republicans, yes. Did you have any other stupid questions?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548626/romney-earned-zero-votes-in-some-urban-precincts/

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
11:35 am

And, I guess you believe that Romney didn’t garner one single solitary vote in some Philly divisions?

please read.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/14/ignoring-history-foxs-hannity-claims-voter-frau/191370

you’re welcome.

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:36 am

There were people on facebook.com bragging about how many times they voted, and in deferent states, funny how they all voted democrat… gee makes you wonder, if you are a logical thinker…

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
11:36 am

Must make y’all proud to be a Republican…

December 18th, 2012
11:31 am

Then you admit you’re a cheat?

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
11:37 am

Hey sfd…Jinx! :)

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
11:37 am

The GOP is in Full Scale Implosion Mode.

God be praised.

This scheme will not help them to the extent that they desperately need help.

A party-wide intervention is necessary now. A moral and intellectual one.

But who will be their champion that will reverse their swirling down the national toilet?

Tweren’t Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

They are going to have to learn the hard way.

And I am glad to do my part in helping them…

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
11:38 am

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:32 am

Or districts in Colorado where more people voted than there are voting-aged people in the district? When there was only about a 60% nationwide turnout?”

Right. I’m sure that happened. I’m equally sure that all those extra voters traveled to the voting booth riding unicorns. Just a hint: If you use absurd “facts” to support your argument, you make your whole argument look absurd.

As absurd as it seems, Counties such as Gilpin and Hinsdale have 110 percent of their populations registered to vote. Gilpin County has a total population of 5,441 with 17.4% of the population below the voting age, making the highest possible number of registered voters 4,494. Currently Gilpin County has 4909 registered voters. Hinsdale County has a total population of 830 with 20% of the population below the voting age, making the highest possible number of registered voters 664. At 110 percent registration, that means that there are 515 excess voter registrations in Gilpin county and 68 excess registrations for Hinsdale.

But, as usual, believe what you like…

James

December 18th, 2012
11:38 am

Interesting that you bitch about this now when you’ve previously advocated moving toward a popular vote election, which this is is more akin to than the Electoral College. I guess that’s called having situational opinions – only when something suits your desired end-result.

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:38 am

Nebraska and Maine are the only states that allow their votes to be split. All the other states and DC use the winner takes all system.
(In Maine and Nebraska, only 2 electoral votes go to the candidate with the most popular votes of each state. Each additional electoral vote goes to the candidate with the most popular votes in each congressional district.)

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:38 am

“How about we just do away w/ the EC all together and go with the popular vote?”

That would require a constitutional amendment, which would require a two-thirds vote of both the Senate and House. And in the Senate, there’s no chance of that because the electoral college gives smaller states disproportionate influence over the election of presidents, and small-state senators would never support that.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
11:39 am

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:36 am

Yeah, and since it was on facebook, it must be true. I see why you’re a Republican…you’re very gullible…

Welcome to the Occupation

December 18th, 2012
11:39 am

Republicans bad. (Implied: Democrats good.)

Reading this blog is starting to seem a lot like watching MSNBC.

the cat

December 18th, 2012
11:39 am

obiwan-and if it is on the internets and facebook it must be true. bon jour

the cat

December 18th, 2012
11:40 am

corbin-jinx!

Crazy Peeps

December 18th, 2012
11:40 am

I’m in favor of proportional allocation of state delegates. Make every vote more relevant.

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
11:40 am

There were people on facebook.com bragging about how many times they voted…

So?

That’s nothing.

There are rubes on Bookman’s blog who actually believe them.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:40 am

“Interesting that you bitch about this now when you’ve previously advocated moving toward a popular vote election, which this is is more akin to than the Electoral College. I guess that’s called having situational opinions – only when something suits your desired end-result.

No, this is actually moving another step AWAY from the popular vote and toward a more intense version of the electoral college. As I note in the end, it would have produced a President Romney even though he lost the popular vote by more than 4 million ballots.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
11:41 am

Jay, yep I am sure that they only will act in the key states. But then again, it may be time to address this at a federal level to be sure that it is all consistent. I mean, certainly them GOPpers here would now be for making some votes more important than others….. that’s just not ‘merican.

KEITH

December 18th, 2012
11:41 am

ACORN, unions, and other groups famous for election fraud all support Democrats. Once again bookman shows utter lack of credibility with this nonsense.

Moon Mullins

December 18th, 2012
11:42 am

Idiots for candidates! If we had a way of calculating the miles these idiots walked back and back tracked after making stupid statements during the last election cycle, I bet it would equal a round trip to the moon.

Ol'

December 18th, 2012
11:42 am

Enter your comments here

Crazy Peeps

December 18th, 2012
11:43 am

“n addition, Ohio and other states would no longer be battleground states”

thanks be to heaven if that happens

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:43 am

Albany, you’re being played for a sucker by the right-wing outlets selling you that BS.

Class of '98

December 18th, 2012
11:44 am

This is off-topic, but it is curious that (in some states) we need valid I.D. to rent a library book or buy a beer, but not to vote.

Even morally and intellectually superior liberals should see the incongruity in that.

It’s also interesting that only democrats are concerned that their voter base is too dumb/lazy/worthless to go through the trouble of acquiring a state-issued identification.

guy

December 18th, 2012
11:44 am

All I can say is writing about things like this prove a person doesn’t have much to do with their time. Waste of time! No more comments! Good day to all!!!!

Lynnie Gal

December 18th, 2012
11:44 am

Another compelling reason to nationalize federal elections standards. The GOP will stop at nothing to try to win despite the fact that most Americans disagree with them. Democracy really doesn’t matter much to a Republican. It’s winning by any means that matters most.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
11:44 am

Why is it that the people b!tching about dishonesty are always shamelessly plagiarizing?

Are they ashamed they can’t string together words and make their own phrases? Did they not learn representing someone else’s work as your own is stealing?

We should restrict their access to guns because something is clearly wrong in their heads.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
11:45 am

This is off-topic, but it is curious that (in some states) we need valid I.D. to rent a library book or buy a beer, but not to vote.

Same question to you: How much are you willing to spend, on a per head basis, to develop and distribute this national ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the problem of illegal aliens?

KEITH

December 18th, 2012
11:46 am

Whats funny is how each election cycles one side or the other claims the other side is finished. 2 years ago Democrats were done, this year its the GOP. In 2 years it will be Democrats again. I dont see obama doing anything that will compel the people to vote for his party in 2 years. With obamacare fully implemented unemployment will go up along with healthcare costs. Doctors will continue to drop medicare patients and obama will be to blame.

Richard

December 18th, 2012
11:46 am

Actually, I like the change to awarding electoral votes by district. It would force candidates to campain everywhere rather than focus on only Florida and Ohio.

Gerrymandering is the problem. If we could trust the states not to hijack the elections, I’d approve of the change.

Ol' Timer

December 18th, 2012
11:46 am

@KEITH — Can you tell me the last time the candidate with the most popular votes lost the election?

Do you remember the last time the SCOTUS got involved in a presidential election?

And, do you remember which party was involved in this miscarriage? Was ACORN? Labor Unions? Democrats?

KEITH

December 18th, 2012
11:47 am

obama will never allow required ID for voting nationally. His party is too dependant on fraudulant voters.

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:48 am

South Atlanta has been voting democrat forever, yet they are still impoverished. Do any of you democrats understand the definition of stupid? If you keep doing the same thing and expecting different results, you are stupid….they must like to be “enslaved” to the Democratic Party… MLK must be rolling over in his grave; did you all forget he was a registered republican? Oh yeah and the democrats tried to filibuster the civil right amendment so why would any person of color EVER vote democrat? What do they say, that those who don’t know history are bound to repeat it.

Class of '98

December 18th, 2012
11:48 am

“Same question to you: How much are you willing to spend, on a per head basis, to develop and distribute this national ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the problem of illegal aliens?”

Answer: As much as we squandered on Solyndra, if necessary. And why do illegal aliens need I.D.s?

Looney Bin

December 18th, 2012
11:49 am

I know I’ll regret this, but…

Keith – please enlighten me as to some “other groups famous for election fraud” that support Democrats.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
11:50 am

Down in Albany

I’m sure you could find the state of Colorado’s official voting results and post it, right?

I’m sure you obtained your info directly from the source (state of Colorado) or the direct source was linked in the article you read, right?

Thanks in advance for posting the information.

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
11:50 am

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:43 am

Albany, you’re being played for a sucker by the right-wing outlets selling you that BS.

right-wing outlets = reports that do not match up with the liberal talking points.
disagree with libs = BS

KEITH

December 18th, 2012
11:50 am

I dont recall any fraud from the Bush side. It was all about ACORN,unions.

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
11:50 am

“If we could trust the states not to hijack the elections, I’d approve of the change”

The EC would more closely mimic the popular vote if they were awarded by each state on the stricktly proportional basis as per the popular vote in that state.

Don Abernethy

December 18th, 2012
11:51 am

Bookman is a a hired gun for the Obama administration. No one remembers Acorn???

Tundra Dude

December 18th, 2012
11:52 am

When that division only has 12 registered Republicans, yes. Did you have any other stupid questions?

So it should be EZ to track them down,,,,ask if they actually voted…

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
11:53 am

“It was all about ACORN,unions”

Except you don’t recall any fraud from them either. Just the lies that were told about them

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
11:54 am

Don Abernethy

December 18th, 2012
11:51 am

Bookman is a a hired gun for the Obama administration. No one remembers Acorn???

Nope. That’s their story and they are sticking with it.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 18th, 2012
11:55 am

Bookman is a a hired gun for the Obama administration. No one remembers Acorn???

If you are worried about ACORN, then you are probably a rube and not able to be brought around either way. So, next topic.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
11:56 am

Down in Albany

Post you info…………. Let’s see it

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
11:57 am

C. of ‘98 — “Answer: As much as we squandered on Solyndra, if necessary.”

FAIL. Please answer the question with the per-head amount, as asked.

“And why do illegal aliens need I.D.s?”

Read the question more closely. Nobody *said* such a thing; merely that the ID could be used to address the *problem* of illegal aliens.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
11:58 am

Answer: As much as we squandered on Solyndra, if necessary.

$535 million?

Lets see — &535,000,000 divided by 314,069,100 = $1.70 apiece.

There’s your sign.

curious

December 18th, 2012
11:59 am

Whatever method is used to allocate EC votes should be uniform throughout the Country.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:00 pm

“Or districts in Colorado where more people voted than there are voting-aged people in the district?”

Gilpin County is one of the districts mentioned by Albany in which “more people voted than there are voting-aged people in the district.” A quick factcheck reveals:

In July 2011, Gilpin County’s population was 5,471. If 17.4 percent of its population is below voting age, that means 4,515 people in Gilpin County are of voting age.
Source: https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=kf7tgg1uo9ude_&met_y=population&idim=county:08047&dl=en&hl=en&q=gilpin%20county%20population.

In Gilpin County, 3,271 ballots were cast in the 2012 presidential election.
Source: http://data.denverpost.com/election/results/county/gilpin/2012/

My math says that 3,271 is less than 4,515. In fact, my math says the turnout of 3,271 is just 72.4 percent of Gilpin’s voting-age population. I’m curious: What does your “unskewed” math say, Albany?

Seriously, people. Do you just enthusiastically swallow even the silliest, most absurd factoids as long as it might in some way bolster your own preconceived bias?

Do you lack critical thinking skills altogether? Do you just shut off your BS detectors as long as you’re hearing what you want to hear?

I find that amazing and depressing.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
12:01 pm

right-wing outlets = reports that do not match up with the liberal talking points.

Yeah, we should trust the judgement of a guy who can only cut ‘n paste talking points verbatim. That’s the sign of a real thinker.

I anxiously await more of your very insightful baaaa’s. It saves me the trouble of wading through Redstate.com and other such swamps, or training a parrot to read and repeat that junk.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
12:01 pm

FAIL. Please answer the question with the per-head amount, as asked.

Yeah, like that’s ever gonna happen. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Trolls Bane

December 18th, 2012
12:02 pm

If the republican party succeeds, they will have insured the control over state and national government even in the face of popular approval.

This is done by drawing district lines in such a way as to concentrate democratic voters in a handful of districts, and spreading the remainder in “safe” republican districts. The net effect is to solidify republican power. Then the real election happens in the republican primary to see who is the most hard-line and reactionary.

This raises the possiblity of a “one party” rule, similar to china / russia / germany in the bad old days.

aps

December 18th, 2012
12:02 pm

Jay, Would it be possible just one time in 2013 to write an article without a right bashing slant?Something for ALL the people to have a conversation about that would be a benefit to the community without having to take sides.

curious

December 18th, 2012
12:04 pm

Jay,

You should begin banning some of your posters simply because they lack the ability to discuss anything without insults or spouting propoganda espoused by some group, right or left.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:04 pm

I’ll be interested to see if Albany steps up here ….

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:05 pm

Albany

Figured I would help you out. Now match up the official results with the bs you willfully bought into.

Gilpin Cty

http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/CO/Gilpin/43058/113805/en/summary.html

Hinsdale
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/CO/Hinsdale/43061/113808/en/summary.html

To say your “facts” do not add up at all would be an understatement.

Whoever fed you that garbage must be a great salesman?

Mr. Snarky

December 18th, 2012
12:05 pm

The GOP dreaming up schemes to win elections despite not having a majority of votes…I’m Shocked!

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:05 pm

Jay

You beat me to it.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:07 pm

K’Chak — “Yeah, like that’s ever gonna happen.”

Considering that they can’t even admit that the ONLY coherent ideas for securing our voting system and labor markets on this blog have come from liberals, I suspect you’re right.

They blather all day long about how we’re supposedly against voter IDs, but then when we ask them to put up or shut up, they offer a buck-seventy per head. Pa-freakin’-THETIC.

bookman parrot

December 18th, 2012
12:07 pm

when the libs do it, it is smart and wonderful

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
12:07 pm

I won’t keep you people waiting. I was wrong. There, I said it. I hope that in some small way, I have helped brighten someone’s day by admitting that.

RF

December 18th, 2012
12:08 pm

When all else fails, gerrymander some districts and you have yourself a winner…

This, from the party that prides itself on being built on the Constitution and the Bible…well, at least the 2nd amendment anyway, and a few verses beyond Leviticus.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:09 pm

Down

Cool. Do you mind posting telling us where you read or heard that information from?

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
12:09 pm

I won’t keep you waiting any longer. I was obviously wrong. There, I said it. I hope my admission helps to brighten your day! You win!

kimmer

December 18th, 2012
12:09 pm

Oh please stop implying that the democrats NEVER gerrymander anything. Look, the GOP won these statehouses so what you say they are proposing, which has not happened yet, is completely within their authority. Its not stealing anything. They also must live with the potential backlash if they PO the electorate such that they pay for it at the ballot box much like the event that propelled the GOP to win all these statehouses in the first place. That being Obama’s end-run, shady back room dealing, win-at-all-cost approach to pass Obamacare. Doing stuff like that has consequences for both parties.

appleseed

December 18th, 2012
12:09 pm

Now is the time to do away with the EC and Presidential term limits.If term limits can’t be through out the system starting with the states through the Feds.then why the president?Obama 2016..

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
12:10 pm

Aquagirl – the distinguished VP Biden is well known for his plagiarizing profundity.

Richard Bagge

December 18th, 2012
12:12 pm

I’m all for everybody having a valid photo ID. Everybody. But then again, I live literally in the neighborhood across the street from one of about eight driver’s license bureaus in Cobb County that is open six days a week and always has a line. There are hundreds of thousands of people in south Georgia, south Alabama, most of Mississippi who don’t drive, and who live as many as a hundred miles from the nearest place to get a government ID, and which may not have hours in any way convenient to people, or Saturday morning windows. I have a birth certificate and I can walk the twenty minutes to get there when they open; the cost to me is negligible. I have no excuse for not having an ID, therefore I do.

It’s simple suburban misunderstanding that fuels the right-wing distaste for our concerns about voter ID. We’re spoiled by the burbs. Put yourself in the shoes of a farmer in Baker or Colquitt County who doesn’t drive and doesn’t have a birth certificate. Look into how much of a burden it is to get that ID. If Nathan Deal and our legislature and senate would spend the money to open bureaus, drop the cost of getting a birth certificate (WHY does it cost that much?!), and make every reasonably conceivable effort to put a valid ID in every citizen’s hands, then any Democrat in Georgia left complaining about it will get a raspberry from me. Y’all allocate the money to truly make it as close to no-cost as possible, and anybody who doesn’t take advantage of it loses my sympathy. Everybody wins!

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
12:12 pm

“Jay, Would it be possible just one time in 2013 to write an article without a right bashing slant”

blogspot.com is ready when you are

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:13 pm

Convincing you that you’re wrong in this one particular instance isn’t important, Albany. What’s important is convincing people in general not to believe and repeat patently ridiculous stuff like that without first trying to check it out.

THAT’s what’s important.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:14 pm

Down in Albany

Don’t feel bad. td played made crazy assertions about the OH results a week or so ago. He also was thwarted with the facts from the state of OH official results.

Maybe you guys get your information from the same outlets

larry

December 18th, 2012
12:14 pm

Yeah, but what if it works in reverse?

If every state adopted this , would have Romney lost some electoral votes, And obama gain some votes?

I wonder what the final EC vote would have been if every state adopted this. Obama would have gained some Georgia EC votes , at least six or seven.

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
12:14 pm

Jay, as you’ve stated, the most salient point here is the lack of imagination on the part of Republicans in crafting an inclusive agenda. This dismantles all the talk they (Jindal, Rubio, Christie) put forth since the election. Their party obviously has no desire to win on platform they want to win no matter what.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:14 pm

Kimmer — “Oh please stop implying that the democrats NEVER gerrymander anything.”

Pointing out that Republicans gerrymander is not in any way an implication that Democrats don’t do it.

FWIW, your defense sounds to me more like sour grapes than anything else, e.g. you got caught but Democrats didn’t and so you’re looking to even the score. Frankly, that’s some crap my kid brother would have pulled back when we were both still in short pants. It’s not the kind of thing that has a place in an adult political conversation.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
12:15 pm

They blather all day long about how we’re supposedly against voter IDs, but then when we ask them to put up or shut up, they offer a buck-seventy per head. Pa-freakin’-THETIC.

Like we discussed before, they bitch about not having IDs, they’ll bitch about the cost, and they’ll bitch about the “ID Czar”.

Some people are just bitches.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:16 pm

Of course Democrats gerrymander, Kimmer. When they were in control, Georgia Democrats under Roy Barnes produced some of the worst gerrymandering that I have ever seen.

But even they would not have imagined using that power to make changes such as this.

Mr. Holmes

December 18th, 2012
12:16 pm

Jay, I’d be curious to hear your colleague Mr. Wingfield’s take on this development. When I posed to him the question of whether the filibuster has been abused by this Senate and the immediate past Senate, his response was that the filibuster was created to allow one party to block actions it felt injurious to the country, and hence no, it had not in fact been abused since 2008.

Be curious to hear the spin on this one.

clem

December 18th, 2012
12:17 pm

no way around it, repubs basically poor losers.

Wix Wonkle

December 18th, 2012
12:18 pm

Uhhh…..your boy won another term….and we’re all screwed….

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:18 pm

R. Bagge — “Put yourself in the shoes of a farmer in Baker or Colquitt County who doesn’t drive and doesn’t have a birth certificate. Look into how much of a burden it is to get that ID. If Nathan Deal and our legislature and senate would spend the money to open bureaus, drop the cost of getting a birth certificate (WHY does it cost that much?!), and make every reasonably conceivable effort to put a valid ID in every citizen’s hands, then any Democrat in Georgia left complaining about it will get a raspberry from me. Y’all allocate the money to truly make it as close to no-cost as possible, and anybody who doesn’t take advantage of it loses my sympathy. Everybody wins!”

FWIW, Kamchak and I are referrring to a pretty comprehensive voter/worker/national ID card concept that I’ve been kicking around on Jay’s blog for a couple of years. Without going into too much detail, I would certainly make it no-cost and required (but it would be a Federal document, not state).

It certainly doesn’t enjoy overwhelming support here, but it seems to draw some interest from folks on both sides of the aisle, so it gets brought up from time to time in discussions like these.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
12:19 pm

What’s important is convincing people in general not to believe and repeat patently ridiculous stuff like that without first trying to check it out.

drudge would then be out of bidness.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:19 pm

Down

The bigger question: Why do you think the outlet that provided that information knowingly lied? Was it to imply that the election was stolen from Romney?

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 18th, 2012
12:19 pm

I won’t keep you people waiting. I was wrong. There, I said it. I hope that in some small way, I have helped brighten someone’s day by admitting that.

Didn’t have any outs left so had to do this or lose face.

You should check things out sometime before you just repeat what Sean Hannity told you.

Here is a news flash for you.

He is a liar.

moonbat betty

December 18th, 2012
12:19 pm

If we would just “chip” everyone at birth, then we wouldn’t need IDs anymore.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 18th, 2012
12:22 pm

The bigger question: Why do you think the outlet that provided that information knowingly lied? Was it to imply that the election was stolen from Romney?

Exactly. This has been written about many times many places.

You see they cant bring themselves to the point where it is their message that lost.

It has to be something else. Hence all the “They Cheated” “Takers, Moochers” arguments

Its better to have a bogeyman to pin it on.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:22 pm

M. Betty — “If we would just “chip” everyone at birth, then we wouldn’t need IDs anymore.”

And if your kids ran away from home, the vet could find ‘em and bring ‘em back. :D

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:22 pm

BOTH, google “gilpin county voting age” and watch what comes up.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
12:23 pm

moonbat betty – that might create a black market for cadaver chips.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
12:23 pm

Sounds good to me. Looks like gerrymandering is going to come back and bite the Dims in the butt. HAHAHA. Someone said our democracy would suffer. Are we a democracy? Or a republic?

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
12:23 pm

Jay, I’d be curious to hear your colleague Mr. Wingfield’s take

After that abortion of a column he posted on the Newtown shooting, I’m not. In fact, I’m probably going to have to self-deport from posting at his site for a week or so, lest I do something stupid there.

suwanee dawg

December 18th, 2012
12:24 pm

Article should focus on Federal elections should be based on popular vote. Jay, please don’t think both sides do not push the edge. Practically all politicians have no moral fiber.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
12:24 pm

gilpin county voting age

redstate.com, top of the list.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mr. Holmes

December 18th, 2012
12:25 pm

I guess the spin would be that other states are perfectly free to make this change as well, and if the Democrats want to remain competitive nationally then they should do a better job at the state level. Until they do, the GOP will happily resort to outright thievery.

It’s not really surprising. These are desperate times for that portion of the electorate.

moonbat betty

December 18th, 2012
12:25 pm

JHM,

You could also have scanners at school entrances and if a chip is tagged as “lunatic”, it could send a shock of several hundred thousand volts.

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
12:26 pm

“Are we a democracy? Or a republic?”

Yes

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
12:26 pm

I’m probably going to have to self-deport from posting at his site for a week or so, lest I do something stupid there.

Always fun to read, though.

Take a bit of discipline not to respond.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:26 pm

Jay

Hilarious. I was going to do that, but was hoping Albany would tell us where he read or read the information.

Based on the dates of the articles “RedState” was already playing this up in September and it seems others ran with it after the election.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
12:27 pm

“Takes”

Geez….

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
12:27 pm

“Of course Democrats gerrymander, Kimmer. When they were in control, Georgia Democrats under Roy Barnes produced some of the worst gerrymandering that I have ever seen.”

“But even they would not have imagined using that power to make changes such as this.”

Moral of the story.
Democrat gerrymandering = good
Republican gerrymandering = bad

indigo

December 18th, 2012
12:28 pm

This will probably wind up being a case of “what goes around comes around”.

Regardless of how much gerrymandering Republicans do, if their message doesn’t change, a majority of voters will still prefer Democrats. And, if Republican controlled State Houses can do this, so can Democratic ones.

This will be, at best for the Republicans, a band-aid quick fix which will only serve to alienate them even more from the majority American electorate.

They are simply setting themselves up for an eventual Democratic landslide of historical porportions.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
12:29 pm

“Do you lack critical thinking skills altogether? Do you just shut off your BS detectors as long as you’re hearing what you want to hear?”

Not that is the definition of a liberal.

“What’s important is convincing people in general not to believe and repeat patently ridiculous stuff like that without first trying to check it out.”

Albany it is like when the 33,000 scientists said no man made global warming and 3000 said there was man made global warming. The liberals went with the 3000 because it was what they wanted to hear.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
12:30 pm

What’s important is convincing people in general not to believe and repeat patently ridiculous stuff like that without first trying to check it out.

Which one of our residents said something to the effect of “like most people who read a story, I accepted it as true because it’s there?” Lawdy. Just because you’re an empty echo chamber doesn’t mean that’s the norm.

And kudos to Albany for his(?) simple admission of an oops. You gotta start somewhere and some folks would rather have a root canal without novocaine.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:30 pm

That’s the best you can do, Thulsa?

You’re not even capable of a slight pretense of rationality or logic?

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
12:31 pm

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
12:29 pm

“Do you lack critical thinking skills altogether? Do you just shut off your BS detectors as long as you’re hearing what you want to hear?”

Not that is the definition of a liberal.

“What’s important is convincing people in general not to believe and repeat patently ridiculous stuff like that without first trying to check it out.”

Albany it is like when the 33,000 scientists said no man made global warming and 3000 said there was man made global warming. The liberals went with the 3000 because it was what they wanted to hear.

:)

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:31 pm

M. Betty — “JHM, You could also have scanners at school entrances and if a chip is tagged as “lunatic”, it could send a shock of several hundred thousand volts.”

Like those ‘invisible fence’ deals? No thanks, I heard those suck.

Apparently, if your dog runs through the ‘fence’ in a hurry, the shock *prevents* them from coming back into your yard. The system can’t tell if the dog is coming or going.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:31 pm

“read or heard…………”

Either way, I don’t think he wants to divulge that information.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:31 pm

I’m reminded of that famous Lester Maddox quote about prisoners…

Mr. Holmes

December 18th, 2012
12:31 pm

After that abortion of a column he posted on the Newtown shooting, I’m not

He’s just parroting the party line. Most disappointing to me about that blog is the frequency with which it simply follows the prevailing echo-machine narrative. Yes, Jay reliably presents the view from the left, but much more often he accompanies the policy position with a fresh piece of evidence, a novel take on the events, etc. His counterpart on the right too often just takes whatever they’re saying at National Review and repackages it for this like but less-demanding audience.

But I think this is not Kyle’s day job, so I’ll cut him some slack.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

December 18th, 2012
12:31 pm

Tom

December 18th, 2012
11:22 am
Yet it’s the liberals who continue the fight to prevent any and all safeguards against voter fraud in this country. Why?…because it’s overwhelmingly Democrats that have and will continue to benefit from voter fraud.

Serious question — did you even bother to READ the article? Seriously…. :roll:

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
12:31 pm

Uhhh…..your boy won another term….and we’re all screwed…

By all, I presume you mean the more rabid of you in the All White Party…

And yes you are finally getting your due.

Here’s to lots more of the same in the future…

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:32 pm

Stepping out for a bit, everybody play nice.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 18th, 2012
12:32 pm

Albany it is like when the 33,000 scientists said no man made global warming and 3000 said there was man made global warming. The liberals went with the 3000 because it was what they wanted to hear.

Huh ? Where do you people get this stuff ?

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:32 pm

Williebkind — “Albany it is like when the 33,000 scientists said no man made global warming and 3000 said there was man made global warming.”

Yeah, my dad’s a scientist, but I don’t listen to what he says about global warming.

That’s because he’s a microbiologist and doesn’t know a thing about it. If he were a climatologist, that would be different.

:roll:

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
12:33 pm

Albany it is like when the 33,000 scientists said no man made global warming and 3000 said there was man made global warming. The liberals went with the 3000 because it was what they wanted to hear.

Oh Lordy be.

willie just stepped in the stupid all over again…

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
12:34 pm

“Apparently, if your dog runs through the ‘fence’ in a hurry, the shock *prevents* them from coming back into your yard. The system can’t tell if the dog is coming or going.”

And that’s not the only problem. They keep your dog IN, but they don’t keep other dogs OUT. And your dog is then vulnerable to being attacked.

The very BEST use for them is INSIDE a regular fence to keep diggers and jumpers from getting close enough to the fence to exercise their ingenuity to get out.

alittlecommonsense

December 18th, 2012
12:35 pm

I don’t really see a problem here. If this were enacted nationwide, then theoretically the presidency would pretty much follow the House of Representatives (ignoring the strength of individual candidates). Sometimes the house is controlled by Republicans, sometimes Democrats. I don’t see that it gives either party an unfair advantage overall. I think it would be better if every state did it that way instead of allowing Florida and Ohio to elect the POTUS.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:36 pm

Doggone

I read where That Black Guy sent you a post last night regarding dogs. Not sure if you saw it.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
12:37 pm

Now we have Ca, NY, Mi, Wi, Pa, Oh and a couple more who usually have more democrat voters than republican voters. At times the vote is close. So when a state chooses to give all electoral votes to who has the most votes really goes against what our forefathers intended. If the election was 51% to 49% then 49% of the voters have been disenfranchised. I hate the popular vote because we have morons like on the east coast, west coast and up north who vote and really do not know who is who or what is their platform. They just vote for the plantation. The EC by district is a grand idea and if the liberals can they will fight this to the death.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:37 pm

Doggone — “The very BEST use for them is INSIDE a regular fence to keep diggers and jumpers from getting close enough to the fence to exercise their ingenuity to get out.”

Excellent idea! I shall inform my wife of this tonight; some of our previous dogs had been industrious and intrepid little spelunkers. :D

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
12:37 pm

“I don’t really see a problem here.”

You don’t see a problem with a candidate getting FEWER EC votes when he WON a state…and the LOSER getting MORE? Really?

skipper

December 18th, 2012
12:37 pm

Jay,
The most blatant example I have ever seen was right here in Georgia, when a district (not the later one, but the one to which she was first elected) put Cynthia McKinney in office. There’s your sign! That was not a Democratic/Republican or any other statement. A loon is a loon no matter race/party, etc. This is why I am an independant…..staunchly so! That was the most snake looking district in history, Georgia or otherwise. Gerrymandering know no bounds.

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
12:37 pm

From now on I’m gonna be one of the Conned and not even bother to read the article, (since I can just listen to Faux News and they’ll tell me everything i need to know anyway).

So now what’s the title?

GOP concots imaginative scheme……..blah, blah, blah, blah

Now my reply (since I’ve glanced over the headline and didn’t comprehend what I read anyway):

BOOKMAN!!! You liberal slob!!! You are what’s wrong with AMERICA!! You commie Liberal Facists Obama LOVER!!!

I will NEVER buy the AJC (just read it on line every chance I get), again!!! This is nothing more than a left leaning RAG!!!

Commies!!

Liberals Hate Guns, the 2nd Ammendment, America and Baby Jesus!!!

Christian Conservatives HATE Liberals (but love God whom we’ve never seen)!!!

Commies!!!

God Bless.

markie mark

December 18th, 2012
12:38 pm

“That tie in turn would have thrown the race into the House of Representatives, where Republicans hold a narrow majority thanks in part to their success at gerrymandering.”

As usual, love the partisanship, Jay. Republicans invented gerrymandering, dontcha know, and elevated it to a new art form

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
12:38 pm

it is like when the 33,000 scientists said no man made global warming

oh no you didn’t.

For those who are all “when the what, said what?”, and who have no known allergies to headache-inducing mid-90s html, I give you:

http://www.petitionproject.org/

(Try not to alarm anyone with the laughter certain to ensue.)

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
12:38 pm

Both…yes, I saw it and I sent him some info via an email to Jay. Thanks though!

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
12:38 pm

“You’re not even capable of a slight pretense of rationality or logic?”- Jay

Jay,

It’s the first step in my conversion to liberalism.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:39 pm

Williebkind — “So when a state chooses to give all electoral votes to who has the most votes really goes against what our forefathers intended.”

When you cast a vote for US Senator, you’re going ‘against what our forefathers intended,’ but I don’t see you bellyaching about that.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
12:39 pm

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
12:33 pm
No no no, I will not join you.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:39 pm

“I hate the popular vote because we have morons like on the east coast, west coast and up north who vote and really do not know who is who or what is their platform.”

As opposed to the informed opinion that you regularly post, right?

indigo

December 18th, 2012
12:39 pm

williebkind – 12:29

Posting what your Christian councillors tell you to post here isn’t doing you any favors.

Maybe, someday, you’ll get some education and learn to think for yourself.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:39 pm

Doggone

Your welcome. Glad you saw it.

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
12:40 pm

“Excellent idea! I shall inform my wife of this tonight; some of our previous dogs had been industrious and intrepid little spelunkers”

But you DO have to be diligent about properly training them on the e-collars. If you just put it on them and throw them out in the yard, there’s a very good chance they’ll panic when they’re jolted because they won’t know why or how to avoid it.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
12:40 pm

Joe Hussein Mama “When you cast a vote for US Senator, you’re going ‘against what our forefathers intended,’ but I don’t see you bellyaching about that.”

Educate me on that please. I do not get your point.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 18th, 2012
12:40 pm

DDR

A little early for tequila?

:-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
12:41 pm

DDR, your application to become one of the conned is hereby rejected. You forgot to present your photo ID.

liberal hack

December 18th, 2012
12:42 pm

As a conservative, I find what these states are doing as despicable. Really despicable. I also find it despicable that any party gerrymanders districts to cater to Dems or Repubs. I would like to see districts drawn up in equal size proportionate to population. I’d rather see us have serious discussion on ideas on moving this country in one direction. But I will never see that happen and I’m fairly young. African Americans will scream that there voice would be diminished if their districts are taken away with a fair population only criteria drawn up districts….

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
12:42 pm

“Educate me on that please. I do not get your point.”

You could try doing something intelligent like reading the Constitution

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
12:43 pm

Indigo “Maybe, someday, you’ll get some education and learn to think for yourself.”

You are too funny!! Liberals are masters of incantations.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
12:43 pm

When you cast a vote for US Senator, you’re going ‘against what our forefathers intended

Hell’s bells–when you regard an African American or a woman as your equal, you’re going against what our forefathers intended.

Just Saying..

December 18th, 2012
12:44 pm

Well hell yeah, since this didn’t work: Judson Phillips on Tea Party Nation has called for boycotting the Electoral College

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
12:45 pm

Huh ? Where do you people get this stuff ?

I’m betting our empty echo chamber is parroting their half-@$$ recollections of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

Never mind those aren’t scientists who signed the petition, that the signatures are unverified, and the petition itself was presented in a misleading way–and that’s just the start of the crap contained in this “petition.” Our unquestioning cons will swallow every warm sticky drop. Why use your brain when it’s so easy to repeat others?

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
12:45 pm

“Posting what your Christian councillors tell you to post here isn’t doing you any favors.”

“Maybe, someday, you’ll get some education and learn to think for yourself.”- indigo

Indigo,

Perhaps he needs one of them “councillors” that made you such an Einstein.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
12:45 pm

Educate me on that please. I do not get your point.

Originally, our Senators were not elected by direct vote, but rather by what the state legislators determined.

This ended with the passage of the 17th Amendment (which noted crazy person Zell Miller was last seen railing against, I believe.)

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
12:46 pm

No no no, I will not join you.

Fine by me, willie.

You Republicans and the equally intellectually challenged North Koreans make a lovely pair.

While the rest of the planet just laughs at you willfully stupid flat earthers and is leaving you farther and farther behind every year….

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:46 pm

williebkind — “Educate me on that please. I do not get your point.”

You bet. :)

Each state’s US Senators used to be chosen by the members of the state’s legislature. IOW, here in GA, the General Assembly would *pick* our US Senators. You wouldn’t get to vote for them.

This was all changed by the Seventeenth Amendment, which was ratified just a skosh under 100 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

If you look in the original Constitution, it’s made quite clear that citizens didn’t get to vote for their US Senators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_3:_Senate

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
12:47 pm

You Republicans and the equally intellectually challenged North Koreans make a lovely pair.

They do it Gangnam style.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 18th, 2012
12:48 pm

sfd

Hell’s bells–when you regard an African American or a woman as your equal, you’re going against what our forefathers intended.

—————————————————————————————–

With some of the women posting I can kind of see why. j/k

Now some of the conned posting here I will reserve judgement

:-)

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
12:48 pm

Aquagirl @ 12.45, please–just link ‘em to the site itself, as I did. Don’t explain, let them wade in and see for themselves. I figure some survivor of that now-dead nutbag who originally set up the site is continuing to fund it, so we might as well let them hang themselves, so to speak.

Seriously, if you can spend three minutes there and not hear cuckoo clock noises and calliope music, you’re probably not reachable anyway.

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
12:49 pm

“I hate the popular vote because we have morons like on the east coast, west coast and up north who vote and really do not know who is who or what is their platform.”

Damn straight!!

Why just because those liberal commies pay MORE in taxes in those blue states, than we do in these God Fearing RED states…………and

Just because We RED staters have the most people on Welfare and Food Stamps……..and

Just because we Red Staters have the lowest graduation rate and the lowest IQ per capita…………..

That doesn’t mean squat!

It’s those east coast, west coast, northern MORONS ruining everything for this God Fearing Country!

Freaking Liberals!

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
12:50 pm

You forgot to present your photo ID.

NO FLIRTING.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
12:52 pm

Doggone/GA – The 17th amendment was for electing senators but we are talking about POTUS. You liberals sure do deflect alot can you concentrate on the subject at hand. Ronald Regan said Liberals sure do know a lot about nothing.

Georgia, The " New Mississippi "

December 18th, 2012
12:53 pm

These GOP Johnny Rebs are not going to stop until they start another Civil War.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
12:53 pm

“Our unquestioning cons will swallow every warm sticky drop.”- Aquagirl

Larry Craig yes. Most of the rest of us no.

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
12:53 pm

Never mind those aren’t scientists who signed the petition, that the signatures are unverified

Liberal Lies. All they do is lie — Hey Liberal, spell baby Jesus! HA! I knew you couldn’t do it. Commie.
===========

DDR, your application to become one of the conned is hereby rejected. You forgot to present your photo ID.

I don’t need no freaking ID card! I got absentee ballots.

You liberals are something else………….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
12:55 pm

Dang it Stands…. I was going to change her voter registration in the back seat of a Chevy Acorn.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
12:56 pm

Aquagirl @ 12.45, please–just link ‘em to the site itself, as I did. Don’t explain, let them wade in and see for themselves.

I’ll concede you that point, but you really think they’ll READ that? Or make a quantum leap to “hmmm…an unsupported claim of approximately 9000 PhD’s in unknown fields and 21,000 random names…who are these people and why would I cite such crap?”

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
12:56 pm

“It’s those east coast, west coast, northern MORONS ruining everything for this God Fearing Country!”

Well DDR if you will just take you plantation population up north, east coast or west coast watch the change take place. Its your people on the plantation why should I have to pay for them.

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
12:56 pm

” I hate the popular vote because we have morons like on the east coast, west coast and up north …”

Right, willie, everybody’s wrong but you. :)

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:57 pm

williebkind — “Doggone/GA – The 17th amendment was for electing senators but we are talking about POTUS.”

My recollection is that you were upset about us going ‘against what our forefathers intended.’ Looks like direct election off US Senators falls into that category, doesn’t it?

“You liberals sure do deflect alot can you concentrate on the subject at hand. Ronald Regan said Liberals sure do know a lot about nothing.”

Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer’s. I am not so afflicted. :D

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
12:58 pm

While the rest of the planet just laughs at you willfully stupid flat earthers and is leaving you farther and farther behind every year….

We will NEVAH believe in no stinking global warming, equal pay for equal work, (unless it one of us), share equity, (we don’t even know what equity means), and clean energy.

All that stuff is just some made up crap that you Libbies got off of a Sci Trek episode.

FReaks!

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
1:00 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:57 pm
“Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer’s. I am not so afflicted. :D
Not yet!

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
1:00 pm

““Excellent idea! I shall inform my wife of this tonight; some of our previous dogs had been industrious and intrepid little spelunkers”

Some rebar and a shovel can solve your problem here…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
1:00 pm

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
1:01 pm

right-wing outlets = reports that do not match up with the liberal talking points.

Nope. Right-wing outlets = doctored stories to push ideology as opposed to telling the whole story.

Case in point:

Boston.com: Electoral College vote affirms Obama re-election

http://www.boston.com/news/education/2012/12/17/electoral-college-vote-affirms-obama-election/aiIdyqnKDj09WoM540bTUL/story.html

GOPUSA.com: Electoral College casts votes today

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2012/12/17/electoral-college-casts-votes-today/

They use the same AP wire story, yet the GOPUSA website truncates the story, depriving it’s readers of the entire story. When you google the headlines, GOPUSA is the only news outlet with the headline they use. The other headline can be found, as typically it is, on many different news sites who use wirefeed stories.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

————————-

They BOTH @ 12:14

:)

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
1:03 pm

@Aquagirl – “Why is it that the people b!tching about dishonesty are always shamelessly plagiarizing?

Are they ashamed they can’t string together words and make their own phrases? Did they not learn representing someone else’s work as your own is stealing?

We should restrict their access to guns because something is clearly wrong in their heads.”

What was Biden’s excuse?

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
1:03 pm

Well DDR if you will just take you plantation population up north, east coast or west coast watch the change take place. Its your people on the plantation why should I have to pay for them.

There are still PEOPLE on plantations? Wow!! See what ya learn from our God Fearing, Loving on Mankind, Conned!?

Thank you willhebe! You’re going places! That there comment you made will take you far in life! You’re on your way man, you’re on your way!

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
1:03 pm

“These GOP Johnny Rebs are not going to stop until they start another Civil War.”

The democrats started the first one dont we get equal opportunity?

Logical Dude

December 18th, 2012
1:04 pm

“You Republicans and the equally intellectually challenged North Koreans make a lovely pair.

They do it Gangnam style.”

Heyyyyyy, Pretty lady!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
1:05 pm

But if its on the internet or in a news article, it’s true. :lol: :lol: :lol:

So says Senior Digits and the conned.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
1:05 pm

“There are still PEOPLE on plantations? Wow!! See what ya learn from our God Fearing, Loving on Mankind, Conned!?”

This is exactly my point, she has no clue. But she rants like she is knows something.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
1:06 pm

williebkind — “Not yet!”

Dude, are you wishing bad things on me? :D

Mike Fitzgerald

December 18th, 2012
1:07 pm

I believe jerrymandering, money in politics, and the fact that we have a President at all instead of a Prime Minister are the three main causes of dysfunction in our electoral system.

I believe there is a consensus solution to replacing the electoral college amongst political science geeks. Simply get a group of states that posess a majority of the electoral votes to agree to give all of their electoral votes to the candidate that wins a plurality of the popular vote.

I think the Iowa system is the best protection devised to date to prevent Gerrymandering. Read about it here: http://www.legis.state.ia.us/Central/LSB/Guides/redist.htm

I don’t believe there is a good scheme to completely remove money from politics, but I wonder if there is a well thought out model bill somewhere at a think tank or in a Congressman’s briefcase that could prevent another massacre of grade schoolers? I’m earnestly looking for one.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
1:07 pm

R. Kcin — “Some rebar and a shovel can solve your problem here…”

We used to use railroad ties, but they kill the grass and leave an ugly bare strip right by the fence line.

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
1:07 pm

They use the same AP wire story, yet the GOPUSA website truncates the story, depriving it’s readers of the entire story

They do that FOR us liberal commie!!

They do that to HELP us!

Do you think we understand all those big liberal words like “electoral college” and “truncate”? We don’t like reading all those big words anyway — that’s why we hardly EVER read any of the whole articles when you liberal scum post those links for us!

Do you honestly believe that we want to LEARN something or gain KNOWLEDGE? All the knowledge we need is coming out of Fox News and Richard Murdoch.

Get the heck outta here with that liberal talking points garbage boy blunder!

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
1:09 pm

What was Biden’s excuse?

What did he plagiarize? I’d really like to hear your cut ‘n paste account. Go ahead and baa for me.

Who knew?

December 18th, 2012
1:09 pm

“These GOP Johnny Rebs are not going to stop until they start another Civil War.”

The democrats started the first one dont we get equal opportunity?

ZING!

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
1:10 pm

But she rants like she is knows something.

I is knows that you is on your way!

You is gonna make is something out of your is self!

You go is boy!

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
1:11 pm

Aquagirl – His plagiarism scandals are well known, but if you don’t want to read about it yourself, I’ll find it for you.

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
1:13 pm

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
12:52 pm

Ronald Reagan’s Budget Director David Stockman said: “Watching Ronald Reagan in a cabinet meeting was like watching grandpa go down the driveway to the mailbox and half way down forget what he went out there for”. The guy you cons have sainted was well… a doofuss.

pete

December 18th, 2012
1:14 pm

I hope Jay and all his little cheerleaders here on his blog remember who was in charge as we went over the cliff.

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
1:16 pm

Heck Aqgirl, every republican knows that Joe the plugs Biden said darn near the exact same thing in a speech that someone else said! that’s considered PLAGIARISM in Connedville.

Now our studly Rep who ran for VP, people said that he LIED about certain things, but he didn’t lie. I repeat he did NOT lie.

He forgot what he had said a few times before; that’s all.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
1:16 pm

The democrats conservatives started the first one dont we get equal opportunity? Zing

Bazinga

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
1:16 pm

pete — “I hope Jay and all his little cheerleaders here on his blog remember who was in charge as we went over the cliff.”

Of course we do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932008

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
1:19 pm

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
1:20 pm

Ronnie Reagan was a SAINT!

On my walls at home there is a picture of Jesus.

Nathan B. Bedford.

A Couple of dogs playing poker.

A Smith & Wesson

And Ronald Reagan.

He’s right next to the dogs and in between the Smith & Wesson.

A place of HONOR in my house.

pete

December 18th, 2012
1:20 pm

Joe,

Keep on shakin’ your little pom-poms. You go girl.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
1:22 pm

Here ya go Aquagirl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

By his own description he found law school to be “the biggest bore in the world” and pulled many all-nighters to get by.[15][22] During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article. Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and he was permitted to retake the course after receiving an ‘F’ grade, which was subsequently dropped from his record.[22] He received his Juris Doctor in 1968,[23] graduating 76th of 85 in his class.[21] He was admitted to the Delaware Bar in 1969.[23]

By August 1987, Biden’s campaign, whose messaging was confused due to staff rivalries,[131] had begun to lag behind those of Michael Dukakis and Dick Gephardt,[128] although he had still raised more funds than all candidates but Dukakis, and was seeing an upturn in Iowa polls.[129][132] In September 1987, the campaign ran into trouble when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech that had been made earlier that year by Neil Kinnock, leader of the British Labour Party.[133] Kinnock’s speech included the lines:

“Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? [Then pointing to his wife in the audience] Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because all our predecessors were thick?”

While Biden’s speech included the lines:

“I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? [Then pointing to his wife in the audience] Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college? Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? Is it because I’m the first Biden in a thousand generations to get a college and a graduate degree that I was smarter than the rest?”

Though Biden had cited Kinnock as the source for the formulation many times before, he made no reference to the original source at the August 23 Iowa State Fair debate in question or in another appearance.[134][135] While political speeches often appropriate ideas and language from each other, Biden’s use came under more scrutiny because he somewhat distorted his own family’s background to match Kinnock’s.[12][135] Biden was soon found to have earlier that year lifted passages from a 1967 speech by Robert F. Kennedy (for which Biden aides took the blame) and a short phrase from the 1961 inaugural address of John F. Kennedy, and in two prior years to have done the same with a 1976 passage from Hubert H. Humphrey.[136]

A few days later, Biden’s plagiarism incident in law school came to public light.[22] Video was also released showing that when earlier questioned by a New Hampshire resident about his grades in law school, Biden had stated that he had graduated in the “top half” of his class, that he had attended law school on a full scholarship, and that he had received three degrees in college,[137][21] each of which were untrue or exaggerations of his actual record.[21]

The Kinnock and school revelations were magnified by the limited amount of other news about the nomination race at the time,[138] when most of the public were not yet paying attention to any of the campaigns; Biden thus fell into what The Washington Post writer Paul Taylor described as that year’s trend, a “trial by media ordeal”.[139] Biden lacked a strong demographic or political group of support to help him survive the crisis.[132][140] He withdrew from the nomination race on September 23, 1987, saying his candidacy had been overrun by “the exaggerated shadow” of his past mistakes.[141] After Biden withdrew from the race, it was revealed that the Dukakis campaign had secretly made a video highlighting the Biden–Kinnock comparison and distributed it to news outlets.[142]

Tundra Dude

December 18th, 2012
1:22 pm

professional skeptic

December 18th, 2012
1:22 pm

Republican logic: We must allocate electoral votes in blue states, in the interest of fairness– but in red states winner-take-all is the way Gawd intended it.

TaxPayer

December 18th, 2012
1:22 pm

I’m not surprised. This is just the sort of thing that Republicans do.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
1:23 pm

“The guy you cons have sainted was well… a doofuss.”

williestench,

Facts is facts willie. That doofus presided over 21 million new jobs from the bottoming out of the 81-82 recession, 16.1 million net, and 7% economic growth shortly after the recession ended. In one month there were approximately 1 million new jobs created. I’ll not post Obama’s abysmal economic numbers compared to Reagans. No point in making you look any dumber.

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
1:23 pm

Keep @ 1:16

You forgot your gaming sound effect for that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVJLp6Y6yjA

:)

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
1:24 pm

pete — “Joe, Keep on shakin’ your little pom-poms. You go girl.”

What a pity your memory is so short, buckaroo. (laughing) :D

barking frog

December 18th, 2012
1:25 pm

the recent Presidential election proved at least one thing,
GW Bush was the brains behind Karl Rove…..

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
1:29 pm

Nunna Yobinnes,

And here I thought Biden was merely an idiot. I had forgotten about the plagiarizig. The blatant lying we all kinda knew about.

MiltonMan

December 18th, 2012
1:30 pm

Yet, Jay had no problem when Colorado Democrats tried doing the same thing back in 2004???

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6106804/ns/politics-tom_curry/t/split-colorados-electoral-votes/

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
1:30 pm

Thanks Bro!

Beware our “french model” is present with new truthiness. Its never a pretty sight.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
1:31 pm

Yea verily, it is a “scandal” worthy of mention today when a guy lifts another guy’s stump speech phraseology… 25 years ago.

RB from Gwinnett

December 18th, 2012
1:31 pm

And in today’s 442,346th edition of Bookman’s “Democrats good, Republicans bad” publication of the DNC disguised as an opinion column….

We get it Jay, when D’s mess with district borders, etc. it’s good for the people, but when R’s do it it’s bad. Geez…

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 18th, 2012
1:31 pm

For the intelligent producers of the world………..it matters NOT what district some washington parasite places us in.(republican OR democrat).
We don’t care and our numbers grow.
At this point, Washington will never be able to gerrymander its way to relevency………..ever.
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Let the good times roll.
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Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
1:32 pm

Aw come on dB. If this had been a conservative, you guys would still be beating the dead horse.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
1:33 pm

MiltonMan @ 1.30, did you miss this bit in the story you cited?

Colorado’s nine electoral votes would be allocated in proportion to the popular vote in the state

I’m thinking you did.

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
1:33 pm

Wait a minute

December 18th, 2012
1:33 pm

Nebraska already has this type of system. I believe in 2008 that Obama won the one electoral vote for the area around Omaha, first time a Dem had won any electoral votes in NE forever (if ever). The world didn’t end.
Many, who don’t like the electoral college, would love it.
And gerrymandering is as old as politics.
Obama Administration tried to take control of all that by moving the control of the census in 2010 to their control (census used to determine how many people where, how many electoral votes each state gets, etc.). Welcome to politics, people play hardball there.
At least people wouldn’t be claiming they are disenfranchised as they are now with all or nothing system. Oh, they’d still be whining?

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
1:34 pm

I’m thinking you did.

Thinking??? Damn, you’re being quite generous….

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
1:35 pm

Oh, and dB, it was serious enough that he had to withdraw from presidential run in ‘88. Musta been some substance to it doncha think?

Jay

December 18th, 2012
1:36 pm

Milton, if you would read your own links, you would see that it was not backed by the Democratic establishment. In fact:

“Were it to be approved by the voters and upheld by the courts, the ballot measure could boost Kerry, currently trailing in the latest Colorado poll at 39 percent.

But it could also conceivably cost Kerry the election, if he were locked in a close race and got only five of the state’s electoral votes.
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Sue Casey, the state director for the Kerry campaign in Colorado, voiced exasperation with the measure: “I think it’s an esoteric, insider thing.”

She added, “I’m hoping that we win in Colorado and get nine electoral votes. There is no way you want to go all out and win a state — and then find out that you didn’t win the state.”

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
1:38 pm

If this had been a conservative, you guys would still be beating the dead horse.

meh. You’re talking to the guy who thought Dan Quayle got a raw deal on the “potatoe” thing, who thought GHW Bush’s comments on grocery store scanners were mis-reported, and who was surprised to learn that anyone might’ve changed their vote due to the last-minute story breaking about GW Bush’s drunk driving violation.

I’m pretty tolerant of stump-speech / campaign frivolity, actually. But I can’t speak for others.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
1:39 pm

he had to withdraw from presidential run in ‘88.

I’m sure the fact that he was losing to Dukakis and running out of money had nothing to do with it.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
1:40 pm

dB – that’s why people should say “taters” when they can’t spell potato.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
1:40 pm

“25 years ago.”

Hmmm. Reminds me of how outraged libs were over Romney’s supposed high school bullying incident 47 years ago.

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
1:40 pm

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 18th, 2012
1:40 pm

Well, Elections Have Consequences! If we can just elect enough godly Republicans to run every state then every 10 years we can pack all the librul Democrats in one of two Congressional districts in every state and run the whole danged country. Now I never thought it was fair for a person to get elected President just because he got the most electoral votes—except when the guy had a R after his name. So we can change state laws and do the electoral votes by Congressional district. I can see it now: “You librul Democrats took 2 Congressional districts and we took 18, so looks like you’re going to be outnumbered in electoral votes.

We ain’t changin’ just to get the most votes—no sirree! If people turn against us in the states, we’ll go by God’s Law and change the way the votes are counted. It might could be that just 30% of the state voters voted for us, but we still won! And fair and square, I might add.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
1:45 pm

“We used to use railroad ties, but they kill the grass and leave an ugly bare strip right by the fence line.”

Yeah, the advantage of rebar is a narrow trench, and it doesn’t have to be real deep. Out of sight, out of mind.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
1:45 pm

Here ya go Aquagirl:

Followed by…a long cut ‘n paste.
Complaining about someone’s plagiarism by copying someone else’s wiki text…wow, that’s impressive. You’re not even able to produce your own baa. Is your one brain cell on vacation?

First, if you’d actually read and processed the text through your own brain cell, you’d discover Joe Biden had cited Kinnock on previous occasions. That supports the idea he forgot instead of intentionally pretending it was his work.

He also manned up and dropped out of the race. Let me know when your copying con buddies–or you—reach Joe Biden’s level of honesty.

I’m sure you got so tired of cutting and pasting your unintentionally left out this part:

“Also later in 1987, the Delaware Supreme Court’s Board of Professional Responsibility cleared Biden of the law school plagiarism charges regarding his standing as a lawyer, saying Biden had “not violated any rules”.[143]”
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Now, what’s YOUR excuse for this dishonest representation Nunna? Why’d you lie? What wiki entry you can cut and paste for YOUR excuse?

Folks, this is why you never trust a con. They can’t even be as honest as the people they claim are such horrid liars.

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
1:50 pm

Thulsa DUMB

December 18th, 2012
1:23 pm

We’re also living under his newly created worlds leading debtor status he left us.

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 18th, 2012
1:51 pm

For every Karl Rove and greasy Axelrod apparachik that are gerrymandering.
And for every Mike Huckabee and Jay Bookman that is whining about it…………………………….
.
there’s thousands of this type of man.
(that’s why Decency will win).
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAB4QuSfVGg
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À votre santé Dear Gérard Depardieu!
.
And Ron Paul.

td

December 18th, 2012
1:52 pm

The funny thing is that most of you (Conservative and Liberals) actually believe that this country was founding on a principle that every vote for President should be counted and counted the same.

“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector”.

Under the Constitution the state does not even have to look at the election results for President in a state. They can appoint any elector that they chose to appoint to vote for the President.

It is only our legislators that are directly elected by the people.

RF

December 18th, 2012
1:53 pm

Thulsa: it’s all about perspective. Spending during Reagan’s two terms (FY 1981–88) averaged 22.4% GDP, well above the 20.6% GDP average from 1971 to 2009.

The real kicker: the public debt rose from 26% GDP in 1980 to 41% GDP by 1988. In dollar terms, the public debt rose from $712 billion in 1980 to $2,052 billion in 1988, a roughly three-fold increase.

So all he did to lower unemployment, etc., which was great for the country and for the party politically also came with a hefty price tag that the national debt shouldered. He essentially borrowed us our of a recession. Great idea, if it’s the right party doing it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
1:59 pm

We are deep in the land of false equivalents and false claims about what liberals/progressives believe…..be very very quiet. Over there you’ll see the Biden being compared to bullying. On your right, you can see that we have the “you believe we vote for a President” claim.

The party that believes ACORN stole the 2012 election, that vaginas have self-defense weaponry, that voter IDs are to protect the sanctity of voting, that they build “That” all by thems little selves, can be sure to straighten us out if something is false or wrong….they are fabulous as spotting them things.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
2:00 pm

CONCOCTS! Jay, can you say that on television?

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
2:01 pm

“The funny thing is that most of you (Conservative and Liberals) actually believe that this country was founding on a principle that every vote for President should be counted and counted the same”

You might be surprised at how FEW of us think that

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
2:02 pm

Milton, if you would read your own links….

READ his own LINKS? WTF?!? Next you’re gonna be asking him to UNDERSTAND what he posted!

You commies are something else…………..

Krystal'sBalls

December 18th, 2012
2:04 pm

Come on, bring it on! KEEP STRIIRING IT UP GOP!!! Keep on pissing people of conscience off so that the tidal wave can come sweep those state Republican Governors and state legislators straight out of office. I keep saying Georgia is ALREADY blue, other states are as well that are curently in the ‘Red’ column. It’s going to happen. Mark my words.

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 18th, 2012
2:04 pm

Gérard Depardieu!
.
Even his name is cool.
For a frog.

The Truth Indeed

December 18th, 2012
2:05 pm

They have to do something go fight the Democrats use of absentee ballots and early voting to steal elections…

Tom Middleton

December 18th, 2012
2:06 pm

So as far as the GOP is concerned, Jay, it’s all about minority rule, not the majority rule of our Founders, and they’re going to achieve it any way they can, right? Apparently.

Here’s a tweet back on December 11 by Alec McGillis, senior editor at the New Republic and former Washington Post and Baltimore Sun reporter:

“Were gerrymanderers anywhere more successful than in NC?
Doubtful. Dem House candidates won 51 pct of vote–and 27 pct of
the seats.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
2:07 pm

Even his name is cool.
For a frog.

There’s your sign.

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

December 18th, 2012
2:08 pm

Keep: The party that believes ACORN stole the 2012 election, that vaginas have self-defense weaponry, that voter IDs are to protect the sanctity of voting, that they build “That” all by thems little selves, can be sure to straighten us out if something is false or wrong….they are fabulous as spotting them things.

And don’t you fergit it! Duh!
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Waterlady: Folks, this is why you never trust a con. They can’t even be as honest as the people they claim are such horrid liars.</i.

Well no one expected you to actually READ what he posted! What kinda mess is that? Do we ever read anything that you people post?

No!

We just ignore it, and post a link to Beetle Bailey Cartoons or something! Double Duh!

Tundra Dude

December 18th, 2012
2:08 pm

GOP concocts imaginative scheme to steal elections

Give ‘em credit for thinking………
My x-landlord in Chicago sez the Dem methods are still quite primitive in comparison.
(looks like the first snow has arrived…about time)

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
2:11 pm

The funny thing is that most of you (Conservative and Liberals) actually believe that this country was founding on a principle that every vote for President should be counted and counted the same.

This, posted on a thread talking about the Electoral College vote allotment??? Does anybody actually read what Jay writes before they comment?

Under the Constitution the state does not even have to look at the election results for President in a state. They can appoint any elector that they chose to appoint to vote for the President.

Isn’t that how it’s always been done? If the electors had wanted Romney to be president, they would have done so yesterday, right?

http://www.boston.com/news/education/2012/12/17/electoral-college-vote-affirms-obama-election/aiIdyqnKDj09WoM540bTUL/story.html


ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Tradition trumped suspense Monday as members of the Electoral College cast the official, final votes in the 2012 presidential election, a constitutional formality on President Barack Obama’s march to a second term.

The rite playing in state capitols involved party luminaries and tireless activists carrying out the will of each state’s voters. The popular vote from state-to-state dictates whether Democratic or Republican electors get the honor, but the outcome wasn’t in doubt. Obama had well more than the 270 votes required to win the White House.

Obama was on course to get 332 votes to Republican Mitt Romney’s 206, barring defectors known as ‘‘faithless electors.’’ California’s 55 electoral votes — the largest cache in any state — helped put the Democratic president over the top by late Monday afternoon. Electors also were affirming Joe Biden for another term as vice president.

Seems as people know how the system works. It also seems that somebody needs to quit trying to figure out what other people are thinking and use that energy to think for himself.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
2:12 pm

See the simple solution in action:

A sixth-grader in Kearns, Utah brought an unloaded handgun to his elementary school on Monday, reportedly at the urging of his parents. According to the local Fox affiliate, the 11 year-old told his fellow students he was encouraged by his parents to bring the gun to school “for protection” following the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut on Friday. Police are currently determining what role the parents had in the student’s actions, but the school acted quickly to disarm the boy after learning he had the firearm on school grounds:

What they disarmed him? He shoud ‘ave stood his ground. This solves everything, right? Oh wait:

The boy reportedly pulled the gun, a .22-caliber pistol, out of his backpack during recess Monday morning. “At recess, he pointed a gun to my head and said he was going to kill me,” said Isabel Rios, one of the boy’s fellow 6th grade students.

Well why didn’t one of the other Rambo kids pull out their weapons and stop him!

:roll:

Krystal'sBalls

December 18th, 2012
2:12 pm

…and once again the “Black guy” has thrown everything into such a frenzy, people are having SUCH a hard time accepting the “Black guy” won (twice), they are trying to do ALL they can to alter the system so as to ever prevent such a thing from happenening again. I tell you, no I ASK…is power THAT intoxicating?????????????????????

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
2:13 pm

“Do you honestly believe that we want to LEARN something or gain KNOWLEDGE? All the knowledge we need is coming out of CNN/MSNBC and Sorros.”

There, fixed your rant.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
2:15 pm

Krystal’sBalls :

Your crystal ball has turned dark, it is not the color of his skin but the content of his liberal/communist character.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
2:16 pm

Does anybody actually read what Jay writes before they comment?

If they did that they’d forget their snappy pre-packaged rebuttal they heard from Hannity/Boortz/random e-mail.

A Simple Man

December 18th, 2012
2:17 pm

It is my understanding of history that the founding fathers never really intended the popular vote to decide the presidential election. They wanted state elected officials to decide who would represent them in the electoral college, and those chosen few would vote. Let’s go back to that system.

Too many idiots who can’t even name their representatives, much less the actual leaders of their party or country, vote for idiotic reasons. Who is taller? Who is better looking? Who has more hair (this one hits close to home)? Forget all this. Let’s let the states appoint the electors and have them decide.

Save me from taking off on a Tuesday.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
2:21 pm

“We’re also living under his newly created worlds leading debtor status he left us.”- willielynch

willie stench,

You gotta be kidding. Look at the debt uder obama son. It was over 10 trillion when he came in. And now its about to hit 17 trillion. You are wayyyy too funny.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
2:22 pm

RCH

December 18th, 2012
2:22 pm

Stealing elections, that my friends is a Democratic tactic. In fact they can not win without fraud. Take a look at Minnesota (Al Fraken), Boston, Chicago, New York, New Jersey, New Orleans for a few examples. Add in motor voter and other registration gimmicks and what do have? PREZ BO, the most unqualified person to be placed in this office.Not to mention he has never run a hotdog stand but is an authority on economics, This country is done!!!
Oh by the way, what the Republicans are suggesting in Michigan is totally constitutional. Article II Clause 2. If the state legislator wanted the Papa John pizza drivers to chose the electors and voted to authorize them, so be it. In Michigan, that would probably be better than the low information voters and union goons that vote for a living.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
2:22 pm

It is my understanding of history that the founding fathers never really intended the popular vote to decide the presidential election. … Too many idiots who can’t even name their representatives, much less the actual leaders of their party or country, vote for idiotic reasons….Forget all this. Let’s let the states appoint the electors and have them decide. Save me from taking off on a Tuesday.

Some apparently don’t vote for idiotic reasons too.

You do realize that 200+ years ago, voting for a representative federal government and creating a democracy was a new developing concept right?

JohnnyReb

December 18th, 2012
2:23 pm

It’s only gerrymandering when it’s not to Progressives favor.

It’s a brilliant reply to Dems buying votes with free stuff paid for from other peoples pocket.

I say YAA! Do it soon. That mid-term election keeps coming back to bite you, doesn’t it?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
2:23 pm

Dang messed up the italic on that first paragraph

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
2:24 pm

The liberals like Piers Morgan devotes an entire session to blame an inanimate object for the evil deed done in CT and not one paragraph about the evil or crazed individual.

“”Piers Morgan Tonight” invited in a host of experts, survivors”
Now that was a rigged discussion. His experts were there to not to explain but simply to agree with PM. The survivors were used as a roll of toilet paper. What a vile thing to do to promote an agenda that takes away constitutional rights. PM should be told he came to America and American did not come to him.

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
2:24 pm

Ah the new vast right wing conspiracy. The Democrats will register dead people, prison inmates and illegal aliens so kudos to the Republicans for being creative. Lets see nobody thinks Biden can win in 016 and Hillary will be too old and portly to look presidential in even XXlarge pant suits. Looks like Nikki Haley and Tim Scott in 016.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
2:24 pm

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
2:25 pm

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
2:15 pm

Krystal’sBalls :

Your crystal ball has turned dark, it is not the color of his skin but the content of his liberal/communist character.
++++++++++++++++++++++

Yo wouldn’t know a real communist if he came up and kicked you in the balls anymore than you have the wit to understand the pun of Krystal’sBALLS, screen name.

OH THE STUPID, IT BURNS………….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&index=12

I really do not see...

December 18th, 2012
2:27 pm

…a problem with this plan…carry on…

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
2:27 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
2:21 pm

This is why the good book says “With all thy getting get understanding”. When Ronald Reagan took office the U.S. was the worlds leading creditor, when he left office we were the worlds leading debtor. That was my point in a concise statement.

I have not argued spending under President Obama. I have simply stated the fact concerning Ronald Reagan.

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
2:27 pm

Comments from the right seem to have devolved into mythology…

curious

December 18th, 2012
2:27 pm

I suspect the founding fathers truly believed they knew what was best for the country and intended to exercise the power to run the country. They were probably right, however, those days along with segregation and second class status for women are long gone.

Not unlike an oligarchy.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
2:27 pm

I’m sure none of this will affect the local pawn shop where you have to push and shove to get up to assault rifle counter.

Oh! BTW, I’ve purchased a 1,000 round mult-pak of ammunition for all of my buddies here on Jay’s blog! Merry Christmas! BANG!

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
2:27 pm

williebkind — “it is not the color of his skin but the content of his liberal/communist character.”

You could use some of that character-darkening liberalism yourself. I hear it makes you more familiar with American History and the actual content of the Constitution.

(you’re welcome)

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
2:28 pm

I say YAA! Do it soon. That mid-term election keeps coming back to bite you, doesn’t it?

No. but the REAL election just grips your ass and won’t let go will it? You can’t stand it and you can’t lie it away no matter how much you try. America rejected your stupidity.

A Simple Man

December 18th, 2012
2:29 pm

@Keeping up the fight

I realize it. People paid more attention to why they voted for someone back then too. Nowadays many vote for the “D” or the “R” without any idea about the platform, positions, prison status or criminal history. It’s amazing.

Keep up the fight – whatever fight that might be!

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
2:30 pm

“The real kicker: the public debt rose from 26% GDP in 1980 to 41% GDP by 1988. In dollar terms, the public debt rose from $712 billion in 1980 to $2,052 billion in 1988, a roughly three-fold increase.”

Yes. And that debt included a military buildup which broke the Soviet Union and which later brought about a peace dividend enjoyed under Clinton whereby defense expenditures were roughly a third lower. And you also forget that while Reagan went along with 2 major tax increases in return for promised spending cuts from Congress that the promised spending cuts by the Dems in Congress never materialized. That one is on the Dems ma’am.

“So all he did to lower unemployment, etc., which was great for the country and for the party politically also came with a hefty price tag that the national debt shouldered.”

Nope. It wasn’t just lowered unemployment but an incredible economic boom that continued almost unabated for 30 years. Perhaps you’re more impressed with the 2% economic growth we see under Obama than 7% growth under Reagan.

“He essentially borrowed us our of a recession. Great idea, if it’s the right party doing it.”

No ma’am. That’s just a spoonfed bit of gobbledeegook bumper sticker sloganeering that several of the kooks have repeated on here over and over.

Thanks for pointing out the 2 trillion in debt under Reagan in 8 years. But for some reason you left out the 6 trillion in 4 years under Obama. You’re welcome. Doomy.

Ben

December 18th, 2012
2:30 pm

You know several states already do this, and in almost every case it was because liberals were trying to get more electoral votes for the Democrats.

Jay, are you really this ignorant, or are you just super partisan? It’s hard to tell sometimes. Maybe it’s just incompetence?

curious

December 18th, 2012
2:31 pm

Tim Scott will be the Alan West of the Senate. He won’t be reelected, no matter how bad the Republicans want a “token” to demonstrate their inclusiveness.

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
2:31 pm

Yo Sooth? Did you get me some 8MM rounds for my KAR98? I could also use a few for my Enfield .303……….

td

December 18th, 2012
2:32 pm

As Jay’s article earlier today points out the technology has gotten to such a point that the politicians know exactly how we are all going to vote and exactly where we live so how are you going to stop Gerrymandering from either party? We are at a point that elections will be all about turnout your voter and suppress the vote of the other guy. The winner will at the end of each decade will be able to Gerrymander the districts in such a way that they are going to maintain power for the next 10 years.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
2:32 pm

Soothsayer
December 18th, 2012
2:22 pm

“Dick’s stores suspend sales of certain rifles”

Yes we must be careful and not let liberal fanatic emotions push through SYMPATHY LAWS that take away our rights. Its amazing they did not have this emotional enthusiasm when AIDS was being spread all over the country killing thousands and infecting the populace from perverted sex encounters.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
2:33 pm

Fred, do they even still make ammo for those old Enfields?

JohnnyReb

December 18th, 2012
2:33 pm

Fred – I can eat a can of alphabet soup and crap a better post than your 2:28.

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
2:34 pm

“Cerberus to sell gun company that makes Bushmaster”

Maybe they should change the name of their company to “Pilate” instead of Cerberus

td

December 18th, 2012
2:34 pm

curious

December 18th, 2012
2:31 pm

Tim Scott will be the Alan West of the Senate. He won’t be reelected, no matter how bad the Republicans want a “token” to demonstrate their inclusiveness.

Why is it the Dems get all bothered when a minority reaches a level of power in the Republican party? What are you afraid of?

curious

December 18th, 2012
2:34 pm

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
2:31 pm
“Yo Sooth? Did you get me some 8MM rounds for my KAR98? I could also use a few for my Enfield .303″

Love those 98Ks. G43-K45 pretty good, too.……….

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 18th, 2012
2:35 pm

Well, I was in Dick’s Sporting Goods yesterday looking for real cheap golf clubs a equipment upgrade and I strolled over to the gun department. From what I seen, if that’s the best stuff they have, they might as well get out of the firearms business. That was the sorriest collection of rifles and shotguns I ever seen—cheap plastic camouflage stocks, etc. I was so disappointed I told the girl at the counter to mind her own business when she asked if she could help me.

Anyway, I never found anything—every club in the golf department cost at least 30 bucks. They must think people are made of money. They think I’m going to pay that much for something you dig cat graves with half the time?

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
2:35 pm

” That was my point in a concise statement.”

And my point is that under Obama its even worse. We are now 17 trillion in debt as opposed to 2 trillion that RF mentioned under Reagan. Additionally under Obama the debt for the first time ever exceeded GNP. That is a staggering benchmark that has never been hit before.

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
2:35 pm

“I suspect the founding fathers truly believed they knew what was best for the country and intended to exercise the power to run the country”

Yep, they did. And each and every one of them thought it should be something different.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
2:35 pm

WOW! williebkind! As I understand it, you can AIDS from almost any kind of sexual encounter, not just the “perverted” kind.

Krystal'sBalls

December 18th, 2012
2:35 pm

Sure @willibe…

It always IS and HAS BEEN *gack*

Ironically, this whole “communist” charge was levied at Dr. MLK, who just so happened to have the same skin color as Pres. O. No truth to it whatsoever, just made it easier to make him contmeptable enough to “neutralize”.

There. A bit of historical truth for you. I know it hurts.

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
2:36 pm

I’m just curious…where did this “sympathy law” meme come from, anyway? Is it a term with a point (if so, what is the point?), or is it merely an attempt to brand any change in current laws with a derogatory term (in which case, it’s good marketing, if bad for society)?

curious

December 18th, 2012
2:36 pm

“Why is it the Dems get all bothered when a minority reaches a level of power in the Republican party? What are you afraid of?”

Didn’t realize I was bothered. I was just stating my opinion.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
2:36 pm

“Tim Scott will be the Alan West of the Senate. He won’t be reelected, no matter how bad the Republicans want a “token” to demonstrate their inclusiveness.”

Now who is the racist! LMAO

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
2:37 pm

JohnnyReb

December 18th, 2012
2:33 pm
Fred – I can eat a can of alphabet soup and crap a better post than your 2:28.

WOW! Now dat is a blog beatdown worthy of a

B

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kimmer

December 18th, 2012
2:37 pm

Joe Hussien – “FWIW, your defense sounds to me more like sour grapes than anything else, e.g. you got caught but Democrats didn’t and so you’re looking to even the score. Frankly, that’s some crap my kid brother would have pulled back when we were both still in short pants. It’s not the kind of thing that has a place in an adult political conversation.”

Well Joe, no sour grapes here and I didn’t get ‘caught’ doing anything. As far as I know the GOP hasn’t got ‘caught’ either as none of this has happened and I doubt it ever will happen because I believe they would pay a price politically. It isn’t sour grapes for them either. It’s what you are completely entitled to do when your party has control. Last I checked the democrats don’t get to make all the rules just because obama won the presidency. You don’t like it? Win back control of the legislatures. You have obama to blame for losing em anyway.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
2:38 pm

“You know several states already do this, and in almost every case it was because liberals were trying to get more electoral votes for the Democrats.”

“Several”, as in two, as I pointed out in my article above. Maine, which adopted the system in 1972, has never split its votes. Nebraska adopted it beginning in 1992, and only once has it affected so much as a single electoral vote.

indigo

December 18th, 2012
2:39 pm

Doom – 12:45

One things for certain.

He need better councillors than the ones you get your answers from.

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
2:39 pm

willie lynch

Don’t you realize that Reagan could do no wrong?? Everything Reagan did was right and divine. Reagan went bat shyite crazy spending money during a recession because it was good for the country. Try to push for government spending to get us out of a recession now….

:roll:

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
2:40 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
2:40 pm

“The Republican party is nothing but old white men”- anonymous South Carolina Democrat.

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
2:40 pm

“racist”

The NUMBER ONE most misused word on this blog

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
2:41 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
2:30 pm

We were lending more money than we were borrowing when Reagan took office. We were in debt when Obama took office and if you take the unpaid wars and out them on Bush where they weren’t being counted against his spending you lower Obama’s actual debt increase by nearly 4 trillion. Hmmmmm.

Wait I’ll answer for you, “Awww that’s just some ahhhhhhhhhh, duhhhhhhh, further unintelligible ranting etc. and so on.

Shut up!

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
2:42 pm

“Tim Scott will be the Alan West of the Senate. He won’t be reelected, no matter how bad the Republicans want a “token” to demonstrate their inclusiveness.

Why is it the Dems get all bothered when a minority reaches a level of power in the Republican party? What are you afraid of”

td – what exactly about that comment sounded like “fear” to you? I wonder about your reading comprehension – you should really get that checked out. :)

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
2:43 pm

JohnnyReb

December 18th, 2012
2:33 pm

Fred – I can eat a can of alphabet soup and crap a better post than your 2:28.
++++++++++++++++++++++

Is that supposed to be an insult, a brag, or a demonstration of your mental prowess. LOL What are you, like 6? My 10 year old daughter has better debating skills than that. As a matter of fact, I’d smack her on the butt if she ever said something that insipidly stupid just to get some blood circulating to her brain.

You are a sad strange little man. And you have my pity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljQMpgVY5mg

MANGLER

December 18th, 2012
2:45 pm

It is rather apparent that the party in power at any given time in a State will try any means available to them to influence the next election. Gerrymandering is one of the more pervasive methods. Shaping districts down to the address is creating a sickening show of party line politics. Look at some of the Congressional districts, just look at how they are shaped and where they fall. Some are 2 sq miles, and some are larger than Vermont. Some are shaped relative to the population centers, and some preen and hook around to grab votes address by address. Both parties are guilty of this practice, and with each election cycle, it will get more and more counterproductive.
Each State gets 2 Senators regardless of the population, demographics, or socioeconomics therein. That seems to work just fine.
Why not base the voting power of Congressional Representatives the same way? Georgia has 13 Reps, but they don’t even have to live in their districts. Rather than fighting over boundaries, let each Representative have the same power relative to their State regardless of where they live or what party they are. It would make Congressmen fight for their State as a whole rather than just a portion at a time (that’s why we have Mayors isn’t it?). It would seriously impact the amount of power that certain businesses or families or local needs have over decisions and all but kill the effect of lobbying. You can buy the vote of a local Representative, but can you necessarily buy all of them, transparently?
But that’s just me.

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
2:45 pm

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
2:39 pm

I understand the unmitigated ignorance that has taken over those on the right but it’s fun to watch them babble.

indigo

December 18th, 2012
2:45 pm

Debbie – 1:20

You need one more thing.

A big picture of Elvis on a velvet cloth.

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
2:45 pm

Sooth: I don’t know. (making .303 rounds). The one I have was a ceremonial rifle. Probably used by the palace guards or something. It is encased in cherry wood from the brass butt plate to the brass fitting by the muzzle. It is also the crookedest shooting weapon i have ever seen lol. I don’t even bother to try to shoot it, it’s just for show.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
2:45 pm

WOW! williebkind!

It’s amazing how often “perverted sex” comes flying into their thoughts. You can be discussing golf, chemical compounds, the price of tea in China….and they’ll blurt out “PERVERT SECKS!!!11!!!” totally apropos of nothing. Gee, what’s up with that?

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
2:47 pm

“Try to push for government spending to get us out of a recession now….”

Because it worked so well for Japan in its lost decade, Greece, other countries in Western Europe, and here in the U.S. with anemic 1-2% economic growth. And because that massive debt never has to be repaid by our children and grandchildren.

Krystal'sBalls

December 18th, 2012
2:47 pm

Ok since everyone else changes the subject into all things guns as of late…

I think Bushmaster gets a raw deal. It’s not the BRAND NAME that matters. Seems as if everyone wants to attack the “Bushmaster”, even cited it was the same rifle used by the “DC sniper” and Colorado shooter. Could have just as soon been the S&W M&P15 (same rifle) or other AR-15 variants. The guy could have just as soon taken an AK-47 Into the school. 7.62mm, but nevertheless classified as an “assault rifle”. It would be just as horrific if it were any weapon, but to portray Bushmaster as some sort of extra evil brand really isn’t fair. Especially since as I stated yesterday, I own a Bushmaster myself.

indigo

December 18th, 2012
2:48 pm

Fred – 2:43

You are the last one here who needs to be questioning someone else’s “mental prowess”.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
2:50 pm

kimmer — “Well Joe, no sour grapes here and I didn’t get ‘caught’ doing anything.”

Since I was using the indefinite ‘you’ and not the definite, you mistake my meaning.

“As far as I know the GOP hasn’t got ‘caught’ either as none of this has happened”

You complained about Republicans being criticized for gerrymandering and Democrats not being criticized for it. Your complaint clearly seems to stem from that state of affairs.

“and I doubt it ever will happen because I believe they would pay a price politically.”

Like a lot of criticism for gerrymandering? (giggling) :D

“It isn’t sour grapes for them either. It’s what you are completely entitled to do when your party has control.”

Actually, no. See the provisions of the Voting Rights Act.

“Last I checked the democrats don’t get to make all the rules just because obama won the presidency.”

Last I checked, neither I nor anyone else here had asserted or claimed any such thing.

“You don’t like it? Win back control of the legislatures. You have obama to blame for losing em anyway.”

I love when cons try to cite historical facts and wind up stomping all over their own cranks. (laughing, pointing) :D

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
2:50 pm

Oh and my dedicated stalker, Indigo chimes in. How sweet. Found Jesus yet there Indigo?

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
2:53 pm

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
2:53 pm

willie lynch

:lol:

————————-

Because it worked so well for Japan in its lost decade, Greece, other countries in Western Europe, and here in the U.S. with anemic 1-2% economic growth. And because that massive debt never has to be repaid by our children and grandchildren.

So, when are you going to get Reagan’s nads out of your mouth long enough to fault him for his part in setting us down the road to nonstop debt? You talk about Reagan like he could chew coal and crap Tiffany cuff links, yet you don’t say a single thing about his debt run up. That’s very well partisaned of you, but I expect as much from you soon as the word Reagan appears on the blog. It’s almost comical in watching you jump to his defense like a trained seal.

curious

December 18th, 2012
2:53 pm

Allen West was/is a buffoon.

Tim Scott will prove to be the same. Heck, he’ll probably sign up with Paul Broun on many postions such as the age of the world, global warming, etc.

There’s nothing racist about it, just like there’s nothing racist about people criticizing Obama.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
2:54 pm

“’m just curious…where did this “sympathy law” meme come from, ”

It is a guise used by liberal groups to change law or make a new law based on emotions rather than the constitution. We see this today after that liberal maniac killed all those children. The liberals blame the gun while gently mentioning the evil liberal maniac who actually did the slaying.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
2:56 pm

…he could chew coal and crap Tiffany cuff links…

:shock: :lol: :shock: :lol: :shock: :lol:

Sounds like one bad stud.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
2:57 pm

williebkind — “It is a guise used by liberal groups to change law or make a new law based on emotions rather than the constitution. We see this today after that liberal maniac killed all those children.”

And it’s these sympathy laws that caused Dick’s Sporting Goods to pull all those rifles, is that it?

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
2:58 pm

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
2:53 pm

That’s funny, but I think you meant that for Thulsa Dumb.

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
2:58 pm

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
2:54 pm

“’m just curious…where did this “sympathy law” meme come from, ”

It is a guise used by liberal groups to change law or make a new law based on emotions rather than the constitution.
+++++++++++++++++

You mean like George Bush and his “patriot act?”

Damn you talk radio/FOXBOTS are just too easy. It took me .0002 seconds to think of THAT one, yet in all the hours since your God’s programmed you with that line it never occurred to you. No wonder they make so much money selling stupid to the brainless………

curious

December 18th, 2012
2:59 pm

Does the NRA have any suggestions on how to keep firearms out of the hands of the evil “liberal” maniac?

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
3:00 pm

The liberals blame the gun while gently mentioning the evil liberal maniac who actually did the slaying.

For poor ‘ol willie being obsessed with mythical liberals and “sympathy law” is better than being obsessed with PERVERT SECKS!!!!11!!

It’s the con equivalent to thinking about batting averages.

indigo

December 18th, 2012
3:02 pm

Fred – 2:50 “found Jesus yet”

No. But there’s no doubt you’re one of the delusional here.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:02 pm

“And it’s these sympathy laws that caused Dick’s Sporting Goods to pull all those rifles, is that it?”

Yepper, the negative publicity the liberals will make demanding a sympathy law. You got it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
3:02 pm

It is a guise used by liberal groups to change law or make a new law based on emotions rather than the constitution.

The free market at work, and it’s still the fault of a law that hasn’t even been passed yet.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
3:02 pm

“We were in debt when Obama took office and if you take the unpaid wars and out them on Bush where they weren’t being counted against his spending you lower Obama’s actual debt increase by nearly 4 trillion. Hmmmmm.”

Willie Lynch,

Your ignorance is more profound than even I imagined it to be. First of all W’s war spending numbers didn’t show up in his deficits but they absolutely showed up in his debt numbers. And we are talking about debt- not annual deficits. Does your mind understand the frigging difference? Cause it doesn’t sound like you do.

Secondly, the Iraq war ended back in 2011 and we had been scaling down military expenditures and manpower there for a while before it ended. The last combat troops left there a while ago. Or did you not know that??? And on Afgh Obama ramped up military operations. He could have just pulled out. That’s on him sir. And the military expenditures on war in Iraq are a fraction of what they were when W was in office. So clearly you simply don’t know what the hell you are talking about. Nothing new there of course.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:04 pm

“Does the NRA have any suggestions on how to keep firearms out of the hands of the evil “liberal” maniac?”

Is that the responsibility of the NRA or the liberals.

How many times do CONS have to LOSE to become a LOSER? 0-2? LOSERS

December 18th, 2012
3:04 pm

Which means that Romney, having lost the popular vote by almost four percentage points and 4.7 million votes, would today be President-elect Romney.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Thank you Jesus for SAVING US from this EVIL man.

Voter suppression by the GOP was meant for EVIL.

But God meant it for good.

WE WON.

CONS 0 – LIBERALS 2

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:06 pm

Aquagirl :

Oh c’mon batting averages?

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
3:07 pm

williebkind — “Yepper, the negative publicity the liberals will make demanding a sympathy law. You got it.”

But if the “sympathy law” doesn’t exist yet, how did it make Dick’s Sporting Goods take those rifles off the shelf?

td

December 18th, 2012
3:08 pm

curious

December 18th, 2012
2:53 pm

Allen West was/is a buffoon.

Tim Scott will prove to be the same. Heck, he’ll probably sign up with Paul Broun on many postions such as the age of the world, global warming, etc.

There’s nothing racist about it, just like there’s nothing racist about people criticizing Obama.

Why are you not talking about the crazy Hank Johnson or Maxine Walters? Like I thought they are not crazy because they are Dems.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 18th, 2012
3:08 pm

Most of this countries debt was run up under Republican Administrations.

There can be no debate about that.

Heck Reagan bankrupted California so bad the feds had to step in then he came to Washington and quadrupled the National Debt in 8 years.

93 US personnel were killed under his watch at oversees embassies.

And when the Marine barracks were bombed what did he do? He pulled them out and cut and ran like a coward.

Truly an abysmal record by one of the worst Presidents of the 20th century.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:08 pm

“WE WON.”

Not in Ga.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 18th, 2012
3:09 pm

“WE WON.”

Not in Ga.

Nope. Georgia is a very poor state with a lot of people on welfare. Very low education levels.

Those states tend to be Republican.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
3:09 pm

Yepper, the negative publicity the liberals will make demanding a sympathy law. You got it.

Rationalizing, not rational.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:10 pm

JHM:

Your just being dense. I am not playing.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
3:11 pm

Your[sic] just being dense.

Oh, the irony.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:11 pm

“Nope. Georgia is a very poor state with a lot of people on welfare. Very low education levels.

Those states tend to be Republican.”

That is where the liberals keep their plantation folks.

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
3:12 pm

willieb – how do we tell the difference between a “sympathy law,” and the other kind? Is there an objective method?

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
3:12 pm

willie lynch

That’s why I put the line there. That was a response to Doom’s post that was directed at me. I know and understand that Reagan did some good things. I also know he did some things that were not so good. I always thought that was common knowledge until I began to run into Reagan’s cheerleaders on the internet.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
3:12 pm

Oh c’mon batting averages?

Well, I don’t have personal experience in the “need to distract myself quick” area so yeah, that’s the best thing I could think of. :)

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
3:13 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
3:02 pm

Whatever makes you feel better. You’ve been debunked by a few on this thread already. Take your meds…sweet dreams.

GT

December 18th, 2012
3:13 pm

This is exactly how they are controlling the Congress and what a mess they have made of it. Their strategy the whole century has been to get a grassroots movement and rule by loopholes exactly like they have hijack government in the Congress. Will America feel good about this and just let it go by? I doubt it but they have sabotage the will of the people so long they have become experts at it. You’re not wanted, go home doesn’t work it like it should; it is like Herman Talmadge moving into the governor’s office and daring someone to throw his out. Only in the federal government someone damn well may do it by force or whatever means is needed. The will of the people works better in the federal government than the state, to much corruption.

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
3:14 pm

“That is where the liberals keep their plantation folks.”

So, you’re saying “plantation folks” tend to be republican?

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 18th, 2012
3:15 pm

Whatever makes you feel better. You’ve been debunked by a few on this thread already

Thats a daily occurrence.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
3:15 pm

“So, when are you going to get Reagan’s nads out of your mouth long enough to fault him for his part in setting us down the road to nonstop debt?”

So are you saying that the US govt had never run deficits before? But somehow it was Reagan who set us down the road of debt when the U.S. govt had run plenty of deficits in years past? But when W and Obama run up debt its somehow Reagan’s fault? Or you effing serious???

“You talk about Reagan like he could chew coal and crap Tiffany cuff links, yet you don’t say a single thing about his debt run up.”

Facts are facts sir. You can’t argue his jobs numbers or the level of economic growth can you? Now as RF said the debt was 712 billion when Reagan came in and when he left it was 2.05 trillion. So he raised it 1.3 trillion according to RF in 8 years. Obama raised the debt 1.3 trillion in one year alone.

Is there something about these numbers that you liberals can’t seem to understand. Reagan raised the debt 1.33 trillion in 8 years and he’s the bad guy but Obama raises it by 1.3 trillion in a single year and he’s a good guy? You guys are living in bizarro world. Is scale and perspective so completely lacking in liberal fantasyland that you guys think Reagans 1.33 trillion in debt in 8 years is as bad as Obama’s 6 or 7 trillion in a mere 4 years? Man is that wacko or what?

“That’s very well partisaned of you, but I expect as much from you soon as the word Reagan appears on the blog.”

I’m just dealing in facts. Why does that bother you so?

“It’s almost comical in watching you jump to his defense like a trained seal.”

Not nearly as comical as watching the kook hatemongers and lapdogs try to revise history when they start bringing up Reagan.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:15 pm

“Yepper, the negative publicity the liberals will make demanding a sympathy law. You got it.

Rationalizing, not rational.”

I am consistent with or based on or using reason, it is your dogma that drifts below normal.

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
3:16 pm

“Oh c’mon batting averages?”

See the Woody Allen routine for more information. “I decided to pinch-hit for Mays…” Hilarious!

moonbat betty

December 18th, 2012
3:16 pm

Wow, liberals seem a bit “frisky” today.

Must be the sunshine…

or maybe just got through taking a dump. :)

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
3:16 pm

We see this today after that liberal maniac killed all those children.

If there really is a hell, you have a seat reserved in the front row.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 18th, 2012
3:16 pm

It is a guise used by liberal groups to change law or make a new law based on emotions rather than the constitution. We see this today after that liberal maniac killed all those children

All maniacs are liberals.

/straightfaced

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
3:17 pm

williebkind — “JHM: Your just being dense. I am not playing.”

No, willie, I think there’s some denseness going on, but no playing at all. And I’d like an answer, please.

I’d like for you to explain to me how a nonexistent “sympathy law” made a business pull a bunch of rifles off its shelves.

Go ahead, tell me.

I’ve been polite and helpful to you today, so now you can return the favor.

barking frog

December 18th, 2012
3:18 pm

I always thought one of the big reasons for so many assault weapons
was Dicks and now they have decided on early withdrawal as a remedy
maybe others will follow suit.

moonbat betty

December 18th, 2012
3:18 pm

“We see this today after that liberal maniac killed all those children”

According to JHM, “dumb fat chunks” are the killers.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:18 pm

““That is where the liberals keep their plantation folks.”

So, you’re saying “plantation folks” tend to be republican?”

Aww, I forgot you are a former school teacher, public school teacher at that, reading comprehension kept you in the K1-K4 rooms huh.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
3:20 pm

“Whatever makes you feel better.”

Yep. The facts make me feel better.

“You’ve been debunked by a few on this thread already.”

I’ve yet to see anyone debunk Reagan’s jobs records, economic growth rate, or his debt numbers vs Obama’s jobs record, economic growth rate, or debt numbers. You can’t. Nor can any other kook on here. The reason you can’t is because the facts are squarely on my side.

“Take your meds…sweet dreams.”

Take my meds? I used to use that insult- when I was in the 6th grade.

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
3:20 pm

Was there a “sympathy law” forcing the NRA to go dark?

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:20 pm

“All maniacs are liberals.

/straightfaced”

Glaring back, yep, from that area in CT.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 18th, 2012
3:20 pm

Only in the sick perverted mind of a Conservative is the answer to gun violence….

More guns

George Orwell couldn’t make this stuff up.

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
3:21 pm

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
3:12 pm

True dat.

moonbat betty

December 18th, 2012
3:21 pm

Frog:

Dicks is pulling the BushMaster.

USA Patriot

December 18th, 2012
3:21 pm

Thulsa Doom 3:15 – 3 Point shot from the pro-line – well done!

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
3:23 pm

Not nearly as comical as watching the kook hatemongers and lapdogs try to revise history when they start bringing up Reagan.

And just where did I attempt to revise history? I’m merely asking why you’re so intent on living in the past instead of living in the present? Reagan pushed the national debt over a trillion dollars, did he not? Did that same president also triple the national debt? Did that same president not increase the size of government, including personnel, during his tenure? According to Cheney, Reagan proved that deficits did not matter, right, so why is it all of a sudden such a big issue in politics?

I never said the government didn’t run deficits before. The issue with Reagan is, we quit running mild deficits and ran the car right over the deficit cliff. That’s the point I’m trying to make with you. You try to make Reagan sound like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but his policies also set us on the path that people think has us going broke?

After all, cutting taxes and increasing spending took on a whole new life under Reagan. You don’t even have to bother to respond, as I don’t feel like debating this crap as I’ve heard everything that you have to say about Reagan. No need of reposting that stuff again as you probably have word files that you can cut and paste with ease.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
3:23 pm

I am consistent with or based on or using reason, it is your dogma that drifts below normal.

Dick’s pulled that product based on free market principals, you are speculating about a law that hasn’t even been enacted.

Rationalizing, not rational.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 18th, 2012
3:26 pm

So are you saying that the US govt had never run deficits before? But somehow it was Reagan who set us down the road of debt when the U.S. govt had run plenty of deficits in years past?

Considering Reagan almost quadrupled the debt the country had run up in its 200 year history prior to his taking office.

The man was a disaster. I dont blame him for the last two years however. I dont think he was very lucid at that point.

B

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Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
3:26 pm

Dicks is pulling the BushMaster.

Is it just me, or is that is an unfortunate combination of words?

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
3:27 pm

M. Betty — “According to JHM, “dumb fat chunks” are the killers.”

Lies make baby jebus cry. :D

barking frog

December 18th, 2012
3:28 pm

moonbat betty
Dicks is pulling the BushMaster.
…………………………………..
Yes. a jumpstart to the assault weapons ban if it passes and
a big blow to Bushmaster.

moonbat betty

December 18th, 2012
3:29 pm

Aquagirl,

You just have a dirty mind. :)

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:29 pm

“I’d like for you to explain to me how a nonexistent “sympathy law” made a business pull a bunch of rifles off its shelves.”

Because of sympathy, the business pulled a bunch of rifles off its shelves. Liberals in the past use emotional events to create laws although there were existing laws to adjudicate any crimes. This is a guise by the liberals to raise the level of empathy in the eyes of the morons up north, east & west coasts.

Sympathy law is a substitute name for the law that was passed. Like Obamacare. is for the Affordable Healthcare Act. Which makes me laugh–affordable.

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
3:29 pm

wiilie, try not to celebrate too much that they were liberal’s kids who got killed, OK?

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
3:31 pm

Aquagirl — “Dicks is pulling the BushMaster.”

Eye Drops Off Shelf

Air Head Fired

New Bridge Held Up By Red Tape

Farmer Bill Dies In House

Iraqi Head Seeks Arms

moonbat betty

December 18th, 2012
3:31 pm

“Lies make baby jebus cry.”

Not if Elf on the Shelf isn’t looking!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
3:31 pm

Because of sympathy a public relations nightmare, the business pulled a bunch of rifles off its shelves.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:32 pm

“wiilie, try not to celebrate too much that they were liberal’s kids who got killed, OK?”

That deserves a punch in the nose! Kids are not liberal or conservative.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
3:34 pm

williebkind — “Because of sympathy, the business pulled a bunch of rifles off its shelves.”

You said sympathy LAW. You expressed upset because of putative sympathy LAWS.

Did a LAW cause the business to pull the rifles or not? Because if not, then pulling the rifles was a BUSINESS decision.

“Liberals in the past use emotional events to create laws although there were existing laws to adjudicate any crimes. This is a guise by the liberals to raise the level of empathy in the eyes of the morons up north, east & west coasts.”

So what if they did? Where’s the sympathy LAW arising out of last week’s tragedy?

I’ll tell you where — in your imagination, because it doesn’t exist yet. And for all we know today, it might never exist.

“Sympathy law is a substitute name for the law that was passed. Like Obamacare. is for the Affordable Healthcare Act. Which makes me laugh–affordable.”

Do you live alone? Because I think you need some kind of close supervision to keep you from burning your house down by accident or something.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
3:34 pm

That deserves a punch in the nose! Kids are not liberal or conservative.

Reading comprehension is not your forte, huh?

How many times do CONS have to LOSE to become a LOSER? 0-2? LOSERS

December 18th, 2012
3:34 pm

“One of the more challenging things in life is not being the guy

who does the cheating, but not saying anything about it and

going along with it.”

How many times do CONS have to LOSE to become a LOSER? 0-2? LOSERS

December 18th, 2012
3:41 pm

@williebkind

December 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
“WE WON.”

Not in Ga.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

JARGA……….who cares.

Fiddle dee.

As God is my witness, the South WILL NEVER RISE AGAIN.

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
3:42 pm

willie, though have perfected the act of playing stupid, you can not escape the words from your foul little mouth/keyboard that easily.

I just hope that you never had nor ever will have children.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
3:45 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War

willie lynch,

You stated that 4 trillion in Obama’s deficits can be attributed to W’s wars? How do you figure that sir? According to the wiki link above Obama’s spending on the 2 wars in 2011 was 159 billion and 130 billion in fy 2009. So for 2 of his 4 years we spent only 289 billion. Assuming we spent roughly the same the other 2 years it would be 588 billion overall. So where does your bullshyte 4 trillion number come from? That’s just B U L L S H Y T E ! Not unexpected of you though.

John Christopher

December 18th, 2012
3:48 pm

Repubs cheating and not Demos! Please, ever heard of Chicago? Walking around money? It works
both ways.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
3:49 pm

“Considering Reagan almost quadrupled the debt the country had run up in its 200 year history prior to his taking office.”

Cheesy grits,

I’ll take the 1.33 trillion that Reagan added in 8 years over the 6 or 7 trillion that Obama added in 4 years ma’am. I’ll also take the 16 million jobs net from the day he walked in over the few hundred thousand net under Obama. I’ll also take the 7% economic growth we experienced under Reagan over 2% or so under Obama. Any other questions missy?

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
3:49 pm

Al Franken won his Senate seat by blatant voter fraud.

Bullsh-t.

Take a look at Minnesota (Al Fra[n]ken)

I have. I watched closely at the time. It’s probably the cleanest, most transparent recount this country’s ever conducted (thanks to a principled bi-partisan commission that oversaw it.)

and I won’t even complain about how Norm Coleman delayed the inevitable through legal appeals, because that was his right and, frankly, he could’ve been even more of a PiTA by taking it to the SCOTUS, and chose not to, ultimately–for which I salute him. Belatedly.

Just Saying..

December 18th, 2012
3:50 pm

“…training a parrot to read and repeat…”

:) )

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
3:51 pm

willie, though have perfected the act of playing stupid

Act? I wouldn’t jump to conclusions there.

moonbat betty

December 18th, 2012
3:53 pm

It would be cool to have a paintball battle between the posters on this blog:

libs vs. cons

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
3:55 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
3:20 pm

No one was arguing Reagan’s jobs record. The point was made concerning Reagan’s role in leading us into debt. Before he took office we were held certain position concerning our debt. When he left office we were in a worse position concerning our debt. That is fact. You chose to talk about Obama and his spending. No one can argue that President Obama has spent money but why did he spend it?

skipper

December 18th, 2012
3:57 pm

It’s official!!
The results are in!
Democrats and Republicans BOTH have been guilty of gerrymandering!!!!!!!!

skipper

December 18th, 2012
3:57 pm

It’s official!!
The results are in!
Democrats and Republicans BOTH have been guilty of gerrymandering!!!!!!!!

How many times do CONS have to LOSE to become a LOSER? 0-2? LOSERS

December 18th, 2012
3:57 pm

@moonbat betty

December 18th, 2012
3:16 pm
Wow, liberals seem a bit “frisky” today.

Must be the sunshine…

or maybe just got through taking a dump.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I can smell the stench of jealousy and anger from the LOSERS.

Cons – 0 (McCain & Romney) LOSERS

Liberals – 2 (Obama & Obama) WINNERS

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
3:57 pm

betty, we have almost all of the ex-military types.

We’d crush them!

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
3:58 pm

M. Betty — “It would be cool to have a paintball battle between the posters on this blog”

Tippmann SL 68 FTW, baby! :D

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
3:59 pm

It would be cool to have a paintball battle between the posters on this blog:

libs vs. cons

Yep. Good thing about that? people who wanted to preserve their anonymity could do so, since they could just keep their headgear intact the whole time. Maybe y’all could set it up with Jay.

(I’d buy popcorn to watch, but probably wouldn’t participate, since I sucked at the last remotely-similar experience I had–laser tag–some years back, and I’m sure I’d suck at paintball too.)

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
4:00 pm

“I’ll take the 1.33 trillion that Reagan added in 8 years over the 6 or 7 trillion that Obama added in 4 years ma’am’

Just because I’m curious, what if we used constant dollars. IMO, tripling the debt is pretty amazing, though…

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
4:00 pm

(…and you don’t want to know about the friendly-fire atrocities I’ve committed in the video scenario training I’ve done.)

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
4:01 pm

IMO, tripling the debt is pretty amazing, though…

and it’s far more egregious than what Thulsa is complaining about, but hey–those raw numbers are Teh Skary.

curious

December 18th, 2012
4:02 pm

td
“Why are you not talking about the crazy Hank Johnson or Maxine Walters? Like I thought they are not crazy because they are Dems.”

Because I was talking about West/Scott. There’s no shortage of crazy people, but Tim Scott will be the new darling of Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. for the next couple years.

My prediction is he’ll mange to shoot himself in the foot and out of re-election.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:02 pm

SfD — “(…and you don’t want to know about the friendly-fire atrocities I’ve committed in the video scenario training I’ve done.)”

FACE! :D

curious

December 18th, 2012
4:03 pm

td
“Why are you not talking about the crazy Hank Johnson or Maxine Walters? Like I thought they are not crazy because they are Dems.”

Because I was talking about West/Scott. There’s no shortage of crazy people, but Tim Scott will be the new darling of Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. for the next couple years.

My prediction is he’ll manage to shoot himself in the foot and out of re-election.

Get Real

December 18th, 2012
4:03 pm

Ahhh the latest episode of “As the Liberals Turn”; in this episode Jay finds fault with the GOP. His writers have been on strike since the first episode so the story line tends to repeat itself…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
4:03 pm

It’s official!!
The results are in!
Posting the same thing twice doesn’t make it any more relevant!!!!!!!!

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
4:04 pm

The Three Trillion Dollar War is a 2008 book by Nobel Prize laureate Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard professor Linda Bilmes, both of whom are American economists.

Dumb. Also from wiki.

The Three Trillion Dollar War is a 2008 book by Nobel Prize laureate Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard professor Linda Bilmes, both of whom are American economists.

The book examines the full cost of the Iraq War, including many hidden costs.[1] The book also discusses the extent to which these costs will be imposed for many years to come, paying special attention to the enormous expenditures that will be required to care for very large numbers of wounded veterans. The authors conclude by illustrating the opportunity cost of the resources spent on waging the war.

Pull your head out of FOX’s a** and try reading sometime.

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
4:04 pm

willie lynch @ 3:55

You just don’t get it, do you? It doesn’t matter what YOU talk about. Regardless to what you’re personally talking about, Doom’s gonna attempt to twist the argument to what he wants to talk about instead. That’s why I said I was done with it. Never argue with someone on his home turf as he will always whip your ass with his experience and knowledge of the layout of the land. It’s no different than the lowering yourself down to argue with an idiot type thing.

Gale

December 18th, 2012
4:05 pm

The first and only time I did paintball, I popped my new boss between the eyes. I was very glad for the masks, for him and for me. :)

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 18th, 2012
4:06 pm

Ahhh the latest episode of “As the Liberals Turn”; in this episode Jay finds fault with the GOP. His writers have been on strike since the first episode so the story line tends to repeat itself…

Notice he doesn’t dispute anything in the article.

Now that’s a story line that repeats itself.

larry

December 18th, 2012
4:07 pm

How many of those 16 million jobs were government jobs?

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
4:08 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
3:34 pm
If is is is……That makes sense to you does it not?

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:09 pm

Gale — “I was very glad for the masks, for him and for me.”

But wasn’t it SATISFYING? :D

larry

December 18th, 2012
4:09 pm

The book examines the full cost of the Iraq War, including many hidden costs.[1] The book also discusses the extent to which these costs will be imposed for many years to come, paying special attention to the enormous expenditures that will be required to care for very large numbers of wounded veterans. The authors conclude by illustrating the opportunity cost of the resources spent on waging the war.

I expect that the total cost of the Iraq war alone to run 3 trillion or more by the time its all said and done.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:09 pm

“And just where did I attempt to revise history?”

I didn’t say you specifically. I said kooks and hatemongers. If you voluntarily include yourself in that group then so be it.

“I’m merely asking why you’re so intent on living in the past instead of living in the present?”

I’m not intent on living in the past. I’m simply going to correct libs who try to revise the success of the Reagan years.

“Reagan pushed the national debt over a trillion dollars, did he not?”

2.05 trillion. Which pales in comparison to the 17 trillion today. Does it not?

“Did that same president also triple the national debt?”

Yes. But that’s statistically misleading since the debt was so small to begin with at 712 billion. Being a math guy I would think you would understand how misleading that stat is.

“Did that same president not increase the size of government, including personnel, during his tenure?”

Yes. Primarily due to the military buildup which broke the Soviet Union and for which we later reaped a sizeable peace dividend in the way of greatly reduced military expenditures.

“According to Cheney, Reagan proved that deficits did not matter, right, so why is it all of a sudden such a big issue in politics?”

Probably the biggest load of horesshyte on the blogs. According to the Laffer curve deficits do not matter in the short term as longer term increased revenues overtake the earlier deficits. You can debate the laffer curve all day long but its dishonest to take the meaning of short term deficits in the context of the laffer curve out of context. But apparently he isn’t the only one who thinks that.

Right now, deficits don’t matter — a point borne out by all the evidence.- Paul Krugman

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/deficits-and-the-printing-press-somewhat-wonkish/

“I never said the government didn’t run deficits before. The issue with Reagan is, we quit running mild deficits and ran the car right over the deficit cliff.”

Revisionist history. 2.05 trillion in debt is not that big a deal. 17 trillion is. And what’s more is that the debt under Obama for the first time ever has exceeded GNP. That didn’t happen under Reagan.

“That’s the point I’m trying to make with you. You try to make Reagan sound like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but his policies also set us on the path that people think has us going broke?”

Nope. His policies set us on a course of nearly 20 years of uninterrupted, continous growth. To try and blame the 2007 housing crisis and recession of the on Reagan policies from 27 years earlier is beyond stupid. Yet liberals do it. Who would believe such utter simpleton nonsense? If you want to blame something blame Fed targeting of unemployment as opposed to a concentration on price stability.

As many economists will note a primary focus on price stability lessens and or limits the possibilities of price asset bubbles such as the housing crisis. Yet every liberal on here a few days ago was critical of changing the fed policies from the current dual mandate to a mandate focusing on pricing stability which would avert or lessen such bubbles. This is what happens when libs don’t have a freaking clue as to what the hell they are talking about.

“After all, cutting taxes and increasing spending took on a whole new life under Reagan.”

He raised taxes twice as liberals like to point out. The Dems had agreed to reduce spending in order to reduce deficits. They lied and never did. That one is on the Dems.

“You don’t even have to bother to respond, as I don’t feel like debating this crap as I’ve heard everything that you have to say about Reagan. No need of reposting that stuff again as you probably have word files that you can cut and paste with ease.”

Nope. Fresh words every time. The truth never changes despite your abhorrence to it.

Get Real

December 18th, 2012
4:09 pm

Cheese Head…what is there to dispute, Jay dislikes conservative Americans. I am in complete agreement that Jay is a liberal…

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
4:10 pm

“Posting the same thing twice doesn’t make it any more relevant!!!!!!!!”

I thought that was a liberal incantation ploy.

curious

December 18th, 2012
4:10 pm

If you’re referring to me, I apologize. Just correcting a misspelled word.

I don’t mind admitting that the computer is faster than me.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:11 pm

williebkind — “If is is is……That makes sense to you does it not?”

Look, you asserted that sympathy law/s made Dick’s Sporting Goods pull those rifles, and that’s total bulldada. There’s no way a ’sympathy law’ could be PASSED quickly enough for force that kind of a swift corporate response.

But hey, you just keep on pulling stuff out of your hindquarters if you like. The more times you do it, the less believable you become.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
4:11 pm

Hey, have any of you ever met gerrymander’s wife sallymander. I hear she can be a real amphibian.

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
4:12 pm

“Liberals – 2 (Obama & Obama) WINNERS”

Really? Of what?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
4:12 pm

OH NOES! THE DJIA HAS MOVED ANOTHER 115 POINTS! WE ARE FCREWN AND THE FISCAL CLIFF IS COMING!

Wait.

What’s that you say?

The DJIA moved UP 115 points?

Never mind.

pete

December 18th, 2012
4:13 pm

More layoffs, and once again it was more Obama supporters. That’s how you clean house.

I just hope we don’t hire anymore libs.

I guess things are looking up.

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
4:14 pm

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
4:04 pm

For posterity it is incumbent upon us to establish a written record. Nothing is more enlightening than the written word. I believe this character (Dumb) perceives himself to be among the brightest of his kind.

Nothing is better suited to dispel the myth one creates of himself than the proof of his self delusion. Sort of like Hitler with Mein Kampf. So I’ll continue to pull this one further out to sea.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:14 pm

“It doesn’t matter what YOU talk about. Regardless to what you’re personally talking about, Doom’s gonna attempt to twist the argument to what he wants to talk about instead”

Brocephus and willie lynch,

There is nothing to twist. Willie said that 4 trillion of Obama’s deficits goes directly to W’s 2 wars. That is horse maure and is easily disproven. Hell we aren’t even in Iraq as far as combat battalions go. The easily to find evidence shows that we’ve spent maybe a half trillion or so in the 4 years under O and not 4 trillion as Willie stench states. Its a flat out

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Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:15 pm

pete — “More layoffs, and once again it was more Obama supporters. That’s how you clean house.

I just hope we don’t hire anymore libs.”

Why would you be hiring people if you’re in the middle of firing them?

Ohyeahright. You’re just making it up. I gettit now.

USMC2841

December 18th, 2012
4:15 pm

Glad you brought up gerrymandering. Perhaps you can explain how Cynthia McKinney’s district ran from South Dekalb all the way to Savannah and was only as wide as I-20 at some points? The Republicans would sue and the courts would agree but by the time it was settled the 10 year census would allow the lines to be changed and the process would start anew. Thank God in heaven the Republicans won and fixed the issue. I’ll believe gerrymandering is an issue when both sides start acting like it is. Until then pot meet kettle.

barking frog

December 18th, 2012
4:16 pm

nunna yobinnes
Hey, have any of you ever met gerrymander’s wife sallymander. I hear she can be a real amphibian.
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wasn’t newt involved with sallymander ? or was it gerrymander ?

williebkind

December 18th, 2012
4:16 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:11 pm
Stay away from my hindquarters! There have been no laws passed. Why are you so tunnel visioned that a law was passed and if one does pass it will be a SYMPATHY LAW. Now you can wipe.

curious

December 18th, 2012
4:16 pm

From BLS.

“Over the course of President Obama’s first term, all government employment lost about 600,000 jobs, while under President Reagan, total government employment INCREASED by 225,000 jobs in his FIRST TERM!”

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
4:17 pm

BF – Could be. Newt has so many indiscretions.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
4:18 pm

Perhaps you can explain how Cynthia McKinney’s district ran from South Dekalb all the way to Savannah and was only as wide as I-20 at some points?

Perhaps you can explain when liberals were in control of the Ga. legislature?

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
4:18 pm

Dumb,

“Nope. His policies set us on a course of nearly 20 years of uninterrupted, continous growth.”

I thought it was 30 years a couple of pages back. Well I guess when you just believe all things come true. Is that Celine Dion I hear?

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:19 pm

“The Three Trillion Dollar War is a 2008 book by Nobel Prize laureate Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard professor Linda Bilmes, both of whom are American economists.”

Willie Lynch,

That’s 3 trillion that was spent by W over 8 years and goes into his debt numbers. So how does that figure into the 6 to 7 trillion in new debt that Obama has added in the last 4 years??? It doesn’t. Do you just not understand the difference between debt and deficits?

indigo

December 18th, 2012
4:19 pm

Nunna – 4:11

Those “witty” remarks just sank here like a lead balloon.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
4:20 pm

Actually “Newt” might even be sallymander.

From Monty Python:

How do you know she’s a witch?

Well, she turned me into a newt.

You don’t look like a newt to me.

I got bettah.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
4:21 pm

Sorry indigo. I guess no one likes bad humor. Please disregard my 4:20 post.

curious

December 18th, 2012
4:21 pm

Give me a credit card with a $1M line of credit and I’ll look pretty successful until I max out the card.

barking frog

December 18th, 2012
4:22 pm

indigo
those were “twitty” remarks, mine included…

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:22 pm

willie lynch,

20 years. I see you still can’t answer that lie about W’s wars adding 4 trillion to Obama’s added debt numbers. deflect, deflect, deflect.

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
4:22 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:19 pm

You are dumb. The point is it DIDN”T go into his debt numbers. President Obama took the war costs onto his books because W didn’t. You really are dumb.

TaxPayer

December 18th, 2012
4:23 pm

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
4:24 pm

The first and only time I did paintball, I popped my new boss between the eyes.

One of the funniest things ever: Paintball with “My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss.” Corporate wannabe suck-ups in office attire attempt to send a fax under paintball fire from a Donald Trump imitator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB1BLc5_iHw

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:24 pm

Got some work to do and gotta get going. In the meantime its been fun laying down a brutal Doomstrike on the kooks.

josef

December 18th, 2012
4:25 pm

L-rd! Looks like some bad cases of PMS on here this p.m. and they ain’t comin’ from the wimminfolk…

pete

December 18th, 2012
4:26 pm

Joe,

We have a hiring freeze in place, and has been for 3 years now. The days after the election we laid off 10% of the folks. After January 1, they are going to lay off another 15%. If they do start hiring again, the bar will be much higher for a lib. As my boss said, them Obama bumper stickers are just disappearing.

Voting does have consequences.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 18th, 2012
4:26 pm

Reagan has tripled the Gross Federal Debt, from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion. Ford and Carter in their combined terms could only double it. It took 31 years to accomplish the first postwar debt tripling, yet Reagan did it in eight.

As most analysts predicted, Reagan’s massive $749 billion supply-side tax cuts in 1981 quickly produced even more massive annual budget deficits. Combined with his rapid increase in defense spending, Reagan delivered not the balanced budgets he promised, but record-setting debt. Even his OMB alchemist David Stockman could not obscure the disaster with his famous “rosy scenarios.”

Forced to raise taxes eleven times to avert financial catastrophe, the Gipper nonetheless presided over a tripling of the American national debt to nearly $3 trillion. By the time he left office in 1989, Ronald Reagan more than equaled the entire debt burden produced by the previous 200 years of American history.

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
4:27 pm

” if one does pass it will be a SYMPATHY LAW.”

Willieb – can you conceive of no law in response to this tragedy that you would not characterize as a “sympathy law”? Seems kind of close-minded…

Krystal'sBalls

December 18th, 2012
4:27 pm

@Doom

“the nation’s total debt stood at $10.6 trillion on the day Obama took office (not $6.3 trillion), and it had increased to nearly $15.4 trillion by the end of January 2012 — a rise of more than $4.7 trillion in just over three years (not $6.5 trillion).”

**BOiiiiiiiNNNNG** !

Factcheck.org (you should try it sometime :)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
4:28 pm

As my boss said, them Obama bumper stickers are just disappearing.

Voting does have consequences.

As does job discrimination.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ;lol:

Krystal'sBalls

December 18th, 2012
4:29 pm

(I see why Doom bailed. She HAD to see me coming…) LMAO.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:29 pm

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
4:22 pm
Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:19 pm

“You are dumb. The point is it DIDN”T go into his debt numbers. President Obama took the war costs onto his books because W didn’t. You really are dumb.”

Oh my God! willie lynch, just how stupid can you possibly be??? W’s wars were done off the books so they did not show up in his yearly deficit numbers. There are various items that don’t show up in the yearly budget. They are done off the books. FDIC I think is one item for example that is done off the books. But W’s war spending absolutely show up in his debt. Only an absolute freaking moron believes that his war spending did not get added in to his overall debt numbers when he left office.

If you don’t believe that then ask Joe mama, Jay, or any other liberal on here. Gawd that is stupid.

Ask Jay when he comes back. The apology window will be open later on for you to apologize for your profound ignorance.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
4:29 pm

“In the meantime its been fun laying down a brutal Doomstrike on the kooks.”

That is equivalent to attempting to light a wet firecracker

hahahahah

:-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
4:30 pm

Got some work to do and gotta get going.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
4:30 pm

Pete, I’m a thankin yer boss better keep hiz mouth shut. He mite be lookin at a class action discrimination soot.

curious

December 18th, 2012
4:31 pm

Anybody ready to apologize for rudeness?

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
4:32 pm

I’ve already apologized for my feeble attempts at humor. My conscience is clear (well, sort of.)

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
4:32 pm

“The apology window will be open later on for you to apologize for your profound ignorance”

Why do you feel that ignorance requires an apology? I bet you have no children! :D

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:32 pm

Krystal’s Balls,

It was 10.6 trillion when he entered office. No disagreement there. But we are about to hit 17 trillion are we not??? Are we not talking about a fiscal cliff??? Perhaps you heard about that in the news? 17 – 10.6 = 6.4 trillion in new debt. As I said Obama has added between 6-7 trillion in new debt. The truth shall set you free. And btw krystal that debt is projected to keep going, and going, and going.

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Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
4:33 pm

Yes. But that’s statistically misleading since the debt was so small to begin with at 712 billion. Being a math guy I would think you would understand how misleading that stat is.

Obviously, you don’t understand math nearly as much as I do. There is nothing misleading about tripling anything. If I have one orange to start with and end with three, then I have tripled the number of oranges I have. Nobody’s arguing about totals and sh*t other than you. You keep claiming that you’re talking about facts, but when that particular fact is brought up, you keep trying to deflect it as som3thing other than fact. Why not practice what you preach and own up to FACT?

Probably the biggest load of horesshyte on the blogs. According to the Laffer curve deficits do not matter in the short term as longer term increased revenues overtake the earlier deficits.

No, that’s the biggest load of horsesh*t on the blogs. Reagan’s revenues didn’t overtake his deficits at all. Hence the record (at that time) debt load he left when he moved out of DC. If the Laffer curve was correct, wouldn’t his revenues cut the deficit and, by proxy, the debt at some point and time? Our debt has not gone down a penny since we hit the $500B mark.

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This is the last thing I’ll say about tax cuts, Reagan, or any of that other propaganda bullsh*t today. Reading Doomy’s post have opened my eyes to something I had not even noticed before. This whole tax cut mythology is a result of people not knowing the difference between corelation and causation.

Years ago, when our economy was actually built on us making tangible goods and selling those goods to the world, we saw a huge period of growth where taxes were cut along the way. Nevermind the fact that, when tax rates were high as hell, there were not nearly as many who were affected by them. Somebody got the impression that the cuts were the reason for our economic growth, failing to realize that we were growing because we were selling sh*t to everybody else instead of the other way around.

Now, we have this whole “religion” based on the idea that tax cuts spur growth. There may be some truthism in this “religion”, but the wholesale idea has been proven to be worth less than a whole warehouse full of soccer helmets based on the trajectory of our debt, personal incomes for most, and all other economic indicators. Hell, we even had a lost decade in the 2000s with 0% job growth even after a series of tax cuts.

I’m no trained economist. I could give a sh*t less about Supply side economics vs Kenyesian economics. I see that it has been proven time and time again that the person making and selling the product prospers while the person buying the product does not. It doesn’t matter whether you’re selling clothing, food, or drugs. Our country has been completely f**ked up by the very people who we are supposed to believe are our business leaders all based on these outdated ideas.

Y’all have fun debating this sh*t. I’ve had enough about guns, gun laws, and Reagan to last a lifetime. If I don’t see y’all before Christmas, have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:33 pm

williebkind — “Stay away from my hindquarters! There have been no laws passed.”

That’s right, there haven’t.

So you’re wrong when you claim that sympathy law/s made Dick’s Sporting Goods remove those rifles.

“Why are you so tunnel visioned that a law was passed and if one does pass it will be a SYMPATHY LAW.”

Because you seem to have a problem with cause an effect. A ’sympathy law’ can’t force anyone to do anything UNTIL IT EXISTS. Since you have now conceded that no such law exists, it’s clear that Dick’s Sporting Goods was not forced, as you claim.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:34 pm

Why do birds suddenly appear…

pete

December 18th, 2012
4:34 pm

Kamchak,

Hey, we needed to cut back on some expenses, and it was just coincidence that they were libs. That’s a damn shame now ain’t it?

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
4:34 pm

Thulsa

Are you not a Newt guy? My apologies if you are not, but he said there is no fiscal cliff.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:35 pm

pete — “We have a hiring freeze in place, and has been for 3 years now. The days after the election we laid off 10% of the folks. After January 1, they are going to lay off another 15%. If they do start hiring again, the bar will be much higher for a lib. As my boss said, them Obama bumper stickers are just disappearing.”

Thanks for admitting that your employer is violating Federal employment law, Champ. :D

“Voting does have consequences.”

So do violations of Federal employment law. You’d better hope none of those fired folks contact the Department of Labor. :D

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:37 pm

Doom — “going, and going, and going.”

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willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
4:37 pm

Got some work to do and gotta get going. In the meantime its been fun laying down a brutal Doomstrike on the kooks.

Did a grown man just say “Doomstrike”?

You see Brosephus…..the written word.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:37 pm

Brocephus,

Going by RF’s own numbers Reagan added 1.33 trillion to the debt over 8 years. When we hit the 17 trillion cliff and Obama came in with 10.6 trillion then that would be 6.4 trillion in 4 years vs 1.33 trillion in 8 years. Is that simple enough for a math guy like yourself? Its all over but the shouting.

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Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:39 pm

tbs,

Newts a bright guy but I’m not a newt guy. gotta get going. If you got a minute hopefully you can explain the differece between debt and deficits to willie stench.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
4:40 pm

Bro

It is funny that the “increased revenues” on average do not outpace the tax to GDP avg ratio………………… Revenues increased in higher tax years, so what does that mean?

Show me an increase overall in the percentage then we have something to talk about besides talking points

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
4:40 pm

“Going by RF’s own numbers Reagan added 1.33 trillion to the debt over 8 years. When we hit the 17 trillion cliff and Obama came in with 10.6 trillion then that would be 6.4 trillion in 4 years vs 1.33 trillion in 8 years.”

Of course, that’s in constant dollars. Mr. Doom could not possibly bring himself to attempt to mislead us with so obvious a ploy, right?

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
4:41 pm

willie

While disagreeing with much of Thusla’s economic philosophy, you do the difference or is he just pulling my leg?

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
4:41 pm

I’ll be back later. In the meantime ya’ll keep the kookapalooza going. And for God’s sake someone learn willie stench that the wars under W counted in his overall debt numbers. And splain him the difference betwee debt and deficits and off budget items. Toodles!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
4:41 pm

Revenues increased in higher tax years, so what does that mean?

It means that it is an anomaly, and SHUT UP!

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:43 pm

Doom — “Its all over but the shouting.”

Usually, a smoke and a nap follow at that point.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
4:43 pm

Thulsa

Actually it is closer to 2T in terms of the debt under Reagan, but it did almost triple and his tax cuts did not from a tax to GDP ratio increase that much if at all. Yes GDP went up as well as tax revenues, but again, tax revenues went up many years without those cuts…………

pogo

December 18th, 2012
4:43 pm

And the democrats come up with new and absurd ways to take OUR money and give it to losers.

Brosephus™

December 18th, 2012
4:43 pm

They BOTH

It is funny, it’s also funny that Mr “Increased Revenues” won’t own up to that fact. I see he’s still fellating Reagan though. You can have fun with it. His act has gotten old with me. If I want to argue with a jackass, I’ll go to a farm and find one.

Regnad Kcin

December 18th, 2012
4:44 pm

“And the democrats come up with new and absurd ways to take OUR money and give it to losers”

The stoopid! It burns!

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
4:45 pm

For someone who had to leave at 4:24, the exit seems remarkably long.

josef

December 18th, 2012
4:45 pm

“Newts a bright guy ”

Not even in comparison to a 20 watt bulb…

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
4:46 pm

Bro

Very old. The amusing part to me, he will say others worship Obama but seems to bow at the halter of Reagan like no one bows to any President on this blog………..

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
4:46 pm

For someone who had to leave at 4:24, the exit seems remarkably long.

Thelma never could stick his departure flounce.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
4:48 pm

Thulsa

Just be glad you didn’t put your nonrefundable down deposit on a moon colony with hopes that Newt would win the WH…….

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:48 pm

Brosephus — “It is funny, it’s also funny that Mr “Increased Revenues” won’t own up to that fact. I see he’s still fellating Reagan though.”

Notice that he will NEVER admit that Reagan’s “Prime The Pump” strategy was exactly the same as the Obama “stimulus.” Doom will admit that Reagan engaged in deficit spending, but he’ll never admit the *reason* for it (stimulating the economy) and he’ll never give you the Reagan deficit figures in constant dollars (to compare with Obama’s figures).

He knows that giving up *just a little* of the story will advance his argument, but that if he gives away too much of it, his entire facade comes tumbling down.

larry

December 18th, 2012
4:49 pm

Only an absolute freaking moron believes that his war spending did not get added in to his overall debt numbers when he left office.

Only a certain someone would not recognize that Bush funded both wars by using supplemental budgets. Thats why his deficit numbers look good. He didnt include funding the wars in his yearly budgets .

Thus, when the president put the wars on the books that increased the deficit.

And this has been simple answers …………..

skipper

December 18th, 2012
4:52 pm

4 posts about the gerrymandering that put Cynthia McKinney in office the first time and ‘nary a comment. I guess that is something libs/repubs/ and us independants can agree on…..that was such a cluster that it bears not responding to……..

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
4:55 pm

JHM

I have said the same thing for years. Reagan’s so called “supply side” can be attributed to as much increase in spending as any tax cuts…….. He primed that DoD pump like it was no one’s business.

The two top supply siders in the last 30 yrs were Reagan and Bush Jr. Reagan had a Repub Senate for 6 yrs and Bush had Congress for 6 yrs. Did spending decrease? HELL NO………

It is the dirty little secret for it to appear to work. They must have that government spending they brainwash people that they do not like………. In a sense the government spending “subsidizes” the lowering of the rates and masks what is really going on……… well until the piper comes to collect.

That is not a pass for the Democrats spending by any means, but the supply side talk is much bigger than the supply side walk

pogo

December 18th, 2012
4:55 pm

New developments on how sick the Conn. shooter was. It seems he killed because he thought his mother cared more for the young children at the school than she did for him. I won’t go into he details of this. You can look for yourself. He was pissed that his mother was going to send him away for mental treatment. Yes, he was sick but this, added with the fact that this country has raised an entire generation of people now in their twenties that think only about themselves once again fomented a mass murderer. They are the products of a generation of parents who thought they weren’t decent parents unless they made their children the center of the universe and gave them everything they
wanted. Except real parenting. Nope, the gun didn’t do it. Our society did.

larry

December 18th, 2012
4:55 pm

Well, if gerrymandering put Cynthia McKinney in office, then explain Paul Broun.

Krystal'sBalls

December 18th, 2012
4:56 pm

“Doom”FOUNDED? maybe “Doom”LUSIONAL? maybe this is just a “Doom”ARSED exchange?? Man, I don’t get some people. Too much Baghdad Bobism going on out here sometimes.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
4:57 pm

skipper — “4 posts about the gerrymandering that put Cynthia McKinney in office the first time and ‘nary a comment.”

Why bother, when it’s only being offered as a DEFENSE to the Republican record of doing the same thing? Nobody here has *claimed* that Democrats don’t do it.

Do Republicans gerrymander? Yes.
Are they benefiting from it right now? Yes.
Have Democrats done it? Yes.
Does that mitigate the fact that Republicans are doing it now? No.

skipper

December 18th, 2012
5:01 pm

@pogo,
That was one helluva post aout the shooter……..gonna hit home with some folks, I’m sure.

skipper

December 18th, 2012
5:02 pm

pogo,
Thats “about”….my bad!

josef

December 18th, 2012
5:05 pm

POGO, SKIPPER

Yep. That post hit home. Our kids are that generation, They’re nothing like described in that post. They’re good, responsible and productive members of society any ;parents would be proud of.

Did you know

December 18th, 2012
5:06 pm

Of all of the elephants in the world, there are ONLY TWO species.
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The African savanna elephant (Loxodonta africana) and the Asian elephant (Elephas maximus).
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The African elephant CAN NOT and has never been domesticated while the Asian elephant is our friend.
.
Perculiar, no?

skipper

December 18th, 2012
5:10 pm

josef,
There are also quite a few as described above…….not necessarily mass murdrers, of course, but more expectant of parents and society. As with any generation, there are firsts.

josef

December 18th, 2012
5:10 pm

DID YOU KNOW

So, which one is the GOP symbol?

josef

December 18th, 2012
5:12 pm

skipper

If I had to pick a generation which best fits pogo’s description, it would be mine. the Baby Boomers, the most pampered I can think of…

Willydoit?

December 18th, 2012
5:13 pm

“Well, it might, except for the fact that the GOP has no intention whatsoever of implementing such a system anywhere except where it would give them an unfair advantage.

Couldn’t the democrats do the same thing in the states they control but lost to the GOP?

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
5:17 pm

“Couldn’t the democrats do the same thing in the states they control but lost to the GOP?”

Could they? Yes. However, they are not the ones losing the overall demographic voting battle at this time. Not a coincidence that one losing that battle is the the one attempting to change the outcome.

That Black Guy

December 18th, 2012
5:17 pm

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
1:13 pm
The guy you cons have sainted was well… a doofuss.
__________________________________________
No he wasn’t a “doofuss”.

He was suffering from altzheimer’s. It is a crippling and brutal disease.

One that I hope neither you nor anyone around you has to live through.

josef

December 18th, 2012
5:18 pm

BOTH
@ 5:17

Yep.

Did you know

December 18th, 2012
5:19 pm

josef

December 18th, 2012
5:10 pm

DID YOU KNOW

So, which one is the GOP symbol?
——————————————————

The GOP elephant is a Demeno Domesticus a sub-species of Asian elephant (Elephas maximus).
As per one of the Chief Scientists/Thinkers of the GOP, Tom Price.

josef

December 18th, 2012
5:19 pm

BLACK GUY

Yeah, but he was dumb as 16 trashcans long before Alzheimer’s set in…

josef

December 18th, 2012
5:21 pm

Did you know…

:-)

barking frog

December 18th, 2012
5:22 pm

Jay
GOP concocts imaginative scheme to steal elections
…………………………………………………………………
They will be foiled by the DNC science guy who can change
the R’s to D’s by giving them what they want…per your last post.

That Black Guy

December 18th, 2012
5:22 pm

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
12:38 pm
Both…yes, I saw it and I sent him some info via an email to Jay. Thanks though!
___________________________
Doggone, I got it this morning and passed it on. Thanks.

She said they seem to be responding to the cotton.

Thanks again.

____
TBS, Bro, Kam and others. Wuzzup?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
5:25 pm

TBS, Bro, Kam and others. Wuzzup?

Getting ready to come back into the ATL this p.m.

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
5:25 pm

TBG – You’re welcome, glad it’s helping

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
5:27 pm

TBG

What’s up? Not sure if you will be on before Christmas, so want to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas. Be safe if you are traveling.

Doing a drive by the other day, I read where you spoke of your brother. I hope he continues on his path to recovery and gets to where he wants and needs to go.

As always my best wishes to you and yours.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
5:33 pm

Doggone – not meaning to be nosey, but are you a veterinarian? If so, that’s neat.

Christian Conservative

December 18th, 2012
5:36 pm

Wow doing something legally is a scheme to steal elections. Go figure. I would thing dead people voting and stuffing ballots boxes with absentee ballots for dems would be considered stealing….

Jm

December 18th, 2012
5:37 pm

You’d think winning an election would mean Jay could give republican bashing a break

Silly me

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
5:38 pm

Jm

Yet you keep coming back. yes, silly you

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
5:40 pm

“I would thing dead people voting and stuffing ballots boxes with absentee ballots for dems would be considered stealing….”

And for not so Christian’s next post, he will show where elections have been stolen via exactly what he posted. Right?

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
5:40 pm

Doggone – In any event, thanks for helping TBG’s puppies.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
5:42 pm

You’d think that if someone wanted to go to Singapore that they’d find a way to bootstrap them-self there.

Silly John Galt.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
5:44 pm

C. Conservative — “I would thing dead people voting and stuffing ballots boxes with absentee ballots for dems would be considered stealing….”

Ninth Commandment FAIL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_shall_not_bear_false_witness_against_your_neighbor

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
5:45 pm

Brosephus: If I want to argue with a jackass, I’ll go to a farm and find one.

There’s a whole farm of that poster? Talk about a crop failure. :D

saywhat?

December 18th, 2012
5:48 pm

Typical discussion with conservatives on this site:

Con: The Easter bunny is buying votes for Democrats!!!!!!!!
Dem: Uhhhhhh, there IS no Easter Bunny.
Jay: BLAH BLAH BLAH (Proves with solid impartial evidence there is no Easter Bunny)
Con: Doesn’t matter if there is no Easter Bunny buying votes, because Bigfoot is killing off Conservatives to swing elections! And don’t get me started about all those tooth fairies sneaking money to little kids, trying to convert them.
Dem: (face palm) THERE IS NO EASTER BUNNY! NO BIGFOOT! NO TOOTH FAIRY! AND BEFORE YOU GET TO IT, NO, JESUS DIDN’T RIDE A DINOSAUR!!!!!!!
CON: Don’t be stupid. Jesus rode a unicorn. Sheesh. You can’t use facts to argue with liberals.

How many times do CONS have to LOSE to become a LOSER? 0-2? LOSERS

December 18th, 2012
5:48 pm

@williebkind

December 18th, 2012
4:12 pm
“Liberals – 2 (Obama & Obama) WINNERS”

Really? Of what?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If you DON’T KNOW….ASK YO MAMA! I bet she knows.

BTW, WillieB I thought you died.

(February 2000, Willie B. the Gorilla died of complications from cardiomyopathy at age forty-one).

Was that your father?

That Black Guy

December 18th, 2012
5:49 pm

curious

December 18th, 2012
2:31 pm
Tim Scott will be the Alan West of the Senate. He won’t be reelected, no matter how bad the Republicans want a “token” to demonstrate their inclusiveness.
______________________________________________
You do know that “token” phrase is just as racist as “wetback, n—-er, gypsy, cracker, et al”, right.

It is an insult based on race.

Just like “Uncle Tom”.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
5:50 pm

“Was that your father?”

Okay, I’m out before it gets really rough in here.

All have a pleasant evening and DRIVE SAFELY.

saywhat?

December 18th, 2012
5:50 pm

You can’t use facts to argue with a liberal. That’s why conservatives never do.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
5:53 pm

Saywhat, glad you posted that one twice…. makes it 2x better. But you forgot that the con will then proceed to say something to the effect:

CON: I can’t help it if you are too stupid to know I studied economics and this is simple Jesus 101 free market unicorn. You cant argue my factiness. Boom.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 18th, 2012
5:58 pm

Well, I see Thelma Doom’s been here. Thelma kinda reminds me of Shorty McClanahan. Shorty would show up at Billy Bob’s, smart-mouth for awhile, get his butt kicked by some good ol’ boy, leave, and then come back acting like he’d whupped up on the world. I bet the two of them are related.

appleseed

December 18th, 2012
5:58 pm

Christian Conservative do you read the Queen James version?

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
5:59 pm

CC

What happened? I was waiting for a breitbart, wnd, newsmax, drudge or weekly substandard post that discussed all these elections that were stolen…………

You must have gotten busy but will post it later

Thanks

saywhat?

December 18th, 2012
6:02 pm

Maybe CC needs to fall back on the favorite conservative website of all- crapsomebodymadeup.com.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
6:04 pm

saywhat

Another blogger came with the same assertion but different angle today, he was quickly shown the facts………. To his credit, he admitted he was wrong.

CC will ignore or post more bs.

Cherokee

December 18th, 2012
6:05 pm

“I would thing dead people voting and stuffing ballots boxes with absentee ballots for dems would be considered stealing”

Doesn’t happen, not-Christian. At least not in any kind of significant numbers.

It’s called ‘bearing false witness’ – another one of those pesky parts of the Bible that not-Christian conservatives ignore…

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
6:11 pm

“Doggone – not meaning to be nosey, but are you a veterinarian? If so, that’s neat”

No, not a Vet…just a long term, experienced dog owners

josef

December 18th, 2012
6:14 pm

BOTH

Yeah, where is CC? It’s hard to be a reactionary when there’s nothing to react TO… so, I guess I’ll just have to wait for happy hour at Closet Capers to be over. eh? :-)

F. Sinkwich

December 18th, 2012
6:15 pm

Who cares? O’bozo won.

Takers in this country out number makers. It’s over for the greatest country the world has ever seen.

RIP USA 1776-2012

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
6:16 pm

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
6:17 pm

Fish Sandwich: tell me again what it is you do for a living. I forgot.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
6:19 pm

Sink

You need new material. You must be posting from overseas since the US is dead.

Thought so but thanks for the laughs little guy

_________________________________

josef

:-)

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
6:21 pm

saywhat?

December 18th, 2012
6:23 pm

josef

December 18th, 2012
5:19 pm
BLACK GUY

Yeah, but he was dumb as 16 trashcans long before Alzheimer’s set in…
————————————————————————

…minus about 15 trashcans.

saywhat?

December 18th, 2012
6:24 pm

Sooth- I’ve seen the 6:21 before. A classic.

F. Sinkwich

December 18th, 2012
6:25 pm

“Fish Sandwich: tell me again what it is you do for a living. I forgot.”

I’m a maker. You know, someone who deserves retribution.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
6:25 pm

Sooth

Great cartoon.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
6:25 pm

“You do know that “token” phrase is just as racist as “wetback, n—-er, gypsy, cracker, et al”, right.

It is an insult based on race.

Just like “Uncle Tom”.

I agree, TBG. I also think that Scott’s appointment is a great thing for South Carolina and the Republican Party (after all, it’s not as if Haley was going to nominate a moderate for the seat.) But I also think it will be interesting to see if he draws a primary challenge in 2014.

josef

December 18th, 2012
6:26 pm

BOTH

Well, here comes Sinkwich…things may be looking up after all!

SOOTH

:-)

josef

December 18th, 2012
6:28 pm

TBG

But…but…gypsy with a lower case “c” isn’t racist! :-)

getalife

December 18th, 2012
6:30 pm

Still depressed. f.?

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
6:30 pm

Jay

Agreed. While he was already in the House, it could be a good thing that Scott was appointed to serve out DeMint’s term.

While I joke, laugh and pick at some of our right leaning bloggers, this could really be a test for Republicans as many of them attempt to work on the demographic voting trends.

josef

December 18th, 2012
6:32 pm

SINKWICH

A maker or a macher? :-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
6:32 pm

Well I have to confess that I need to give some congrats to Senior Digits. I saw one of his posts a few days back after Hillary had an accident/illness and now she cannot testify at hearings this week and a deputy will. SD alleged it was part of a conspiracy to avoid testifying…. and now former US Secty John Bolton is alleging the same thing. Seems like SD has the upper hand in those wingnut conspiracy connections over Bolton!

F. Sinkwich

December 18th, 2012
6:32 pm

“Still depressed. f.?”

Nope. I’m a realist. I’ll deal with the demise of our once great country.

It is what it is.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
6:33 pm

josef: I thought you might like a boring cartoon like that!

Jack ®

December 18th, 2012
6:33 pm

You all have amazed and depressed Bookman. You ought to know you can’t disagree with him without being accused of having a preconceived bias. And you ought to know that he has none of those biases. He’s just a blithe spirit who happens to know everything about everything. So quit disagreeing with him.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
6:34 pm

“I’ll deal with the demise of our once great country. ”

Yes supply side gave us a huge blow, but we will be back.

Thanks for your acknowledgment, Sink.

getalife

December 18th, 2012
6:35 pm

“It is what it is.”

It is still the most powerful country in the world.

When are you leaving?

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
6:36 pm

Fish Sandwich: I thought you were retired on the (hated) government dime? Doesn’t that make you a taker? After all, them evil Social Security and Medicare recipients are no-account takers aren’t they?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
6:36 pm

Tim Scott: Sponsor of a fetus monument for Charleston bill? :roll:

F. Sinkwich

December 18th, 2012
6:41 pm

“Fish Sandwich: I thought you were retired on the (hated) government dime?”

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

pogo

December 18th, 2012
6:41 pm

Josef, “our kids” are always the best (at least in our minds). And there are some out there. How mant times have we seen the thing where a punk shoots somebody and their mothers are interviewed and they say ” he is a sweet, innocent child who would never do something like that”. How many times? Parents are not the most objective people when it comes to their children’s behavior. Obviously it took a while but this woman came to the realization that her son needed more than she could give him. And he turned on her and society like a mad dog. Make no mistake, the baby boomers and all of their materialism has done great damage to this generation. That and the constant erosion of any moral basis at all add up to disaster. Most will not be mass murderers but too many will turn out to have no empathy for anything but themselves and their materialistic needs. No, not all. But most. Something is wrong in America and it isn’t the guns. The guns only serve to point out to us the failure that this country has done to its its children by their parents.
There was today by far the best article on this particular episode that has been written on the subject. The author hit the nail on the head. I think that even the liberals would agree with it and I encourage everyone to read it.

F. Sinkwich

December 18th, 2012
6:42 pm

“It is still the most powerful country in the world.”

Not for long…

Wake up.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 18th, 2012
6:44 pm

josef

You may be pampered, but you are definitely uppity

:-)

F. Sinkwich

December 18th, 2012
6:45 pm

“It is still the most powerful country in the world.”

Now that I think about it, lib ilks are generally embarrassed by that. Our demise is their plan.

Check the memo, getalife.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
6:47 pm

Fish Sandwich: Silly me. I thought that you told the entire blog that you retired from the military as a doctor. Did I dream that? Where on earth did I get such a notion?

I would be willing to bet that you “took” the tuition to college.

I would be willing to bet that you “took” the tuition to medical school.

I would be willing to bet that you “took” the stipend to support you during your residency.

Am I wrong? So you did a lot of “taking” before you were a “maker” right?

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
6:51 pm

sooth

Not sure about Sink, but I think Kayaker made that claim

RF

December 18th, 2012
6:52 pm

“Now that I think about it, lib ilks are generally embarrassed by that. Our demise is their plan.”

Hmmmm, missed that memo somewhere in the socialist reingineering training….I mean, school.

Considering your boys tanked the economy and ran two wars off the budget, I’d say they made a lot more progress on “our demise” than any Democrat has done.

RF

December 18th, 2012
6:53 pm

“but you are definitely uppity”

Only when he’s wearing the boa, especially the pink one. :-) :-)

F. Sinkwich

December 18th, 2012
6:56 pm

“Fish Sandwich: Silly me. I thought that you told the entire blog that you retired from the military as a doctor.”

Sorry, not me. Private sector here.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
6:58 pm

Sorry, Fish. My mistake.

barking frog

December 18th, 2012
6:59 pm

RF
it’s all about the j.. J is with boa and uppity..j is no boa..uppity ~~

Jay

December 18th, 2012
6:59 pm

“Only when he’s wearing the boa, especially the pink one.”

I can honestly say that I’ve never seen him without it.

Of course, I can honestly say the same for Scout too.

josef

December 18th, 2012
6:59 pm

POGO

I’m an optimist with great faith in the future of not just our nation, but all of humanity. Let’s face it, we are the species which has gone from the trees to the stars. The generation you speak of will go on to make its own contributions to that journey, too. Like all those before them, they will make their mistakes. But they are ours.

BOTH

It comes with the DNA! :-)

Jay

December 18th, 2012
6:59 pm

Do you think they share?

josef

December 18th, 2012
7:02 pm

SINKWICH
“I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

And why would you? You have no idea nine times out of ten of what you’re talking about.

BIG DADDY

Well, we know you do wear it well yourself! :-)

josef

December 18th, 2012
7:04 pm

BIG DADDY

Only when we can pry it from your well manicured paws! :-)

F. Sinkwich

December 18th, 2012
7:06 pm

“And why would you? You have no idea nine times out of ten of what you’re talking about.”

Yes I do.

Thanks for asking.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
7:06 pm

Pink is so … gauche. I’m a fuchsia man myself.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
7:08 pm

NEWSFLASH! Jay Bookman “comes out” on own blog. Film at eleven.

josef

December 18th, 2012
7:09 pm

Well, I guess that lays to rest the question of whether or not you’re a pinko! :-)

RAMZAD

December 18th, 2012
7:09 pm

If Republicans would out a CIA agent for political expediency there is just nothing too low for these people.

josef

December 18th, 2012
7:11 pm

SINKWICH

Who asked? There was no question mark there…

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
7:13 pm

Poor, pitiable Frankie and the Neocons. (NOT to be confused with Johnny and the Hurricanes.)

So damn depressed. So despondent. So Republican.

Something to cheer them up.

The end is nigh! Repent, sinners!

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563861_10151297252589666_59637054_n.jpg

josef

December 18th, 2012
7:17 pm

josef

December 18th, 2012
7:20 pm

ZamVet
@ 7:13

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

barking frog

December 18th, 2012
7:27 pm

JamVet
the day after tomorrow there will be no day after tomorrow :twisted:

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 18th, 2012
7:29 pm

“The vulture media continues to hover over the tragedy at Newtown.”

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
7:30 pm

jonix, just trying to add some small sense of joy to his otherwise miserable “conservative” life here.

Here’s another pic I found that Frankie can really relate to…

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/598617_4550860462334_331826375_n.jpg

josef

December 18th, 2012
7:35 pm

SCOUT

No boa for you! :-)

ZamVet

Heh, heh. ..that sooooo fits my mental picture of him!!!!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 18th, 2012
7:38 pm

“INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE” by Thomas Sowell

“Must every tragic mass shooting bring out the shrill ignorance of “gun control” advocates?

The key fallacy of so-called gun control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available.

If gun control zealots had any respect for facts, they would have discovered this long ago, because there have been too many factual studies over the years to leave any serious doubt about gun control laws being not merely futile but counterproductive.

Places and times with the strongest gun control laws have often been places and times with high murder rates. Washington, D.C., is a classic example, but just one among many.

When it comes to the rate of gun ownership, that is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas. The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks. For the country as a whole, hand gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.

The few counter-examples offered by gun control zealots do not stand up under scrutiny. Perhaps their strongest talking point is that Britain has stronger gun control laws than the United States and lower murder rates.

But, if you look back through history, you will find that Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries– and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun control laws than the United States. Indeed, neither country had stringent gun control for most of that time.

In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had had the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons.

Neither guns nor gun control was the reason for the difference in murder rates. People were the difference.

Yet many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals.

In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars. The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms.

In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s– after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions– there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies.

Gun control zealots’ choice of Britain for comparison with the United States has been wholly tendentious, not only because it ignored the history of the two countries, but also because it ignored other countries with stronger gun control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil and Mexico. All of these countries have higher murder rates than the United States.

You could compare other sets of countries and get similar results. Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.

Guns are not the problem. People are the problem– including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts.

There is innocent ignorance and there is invincible, dogmatic and self-righteous ignorance. Every tragic mass shooting seems to bring out examples of both among gun control advocates.

Some years back, there was a professor whose advocacy of gun control led him to produce a “study” that became so discredited that he resigned from his university. This column predicted at the time that this discredited study would continue to be cited by gun control advocates. But I had no idea that this would happen the very next week in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.”

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
7:46 pm

Gosh! Scout, at first I thought you “thunk” that whole post up all by yoreself. Then, luckily, I noticed the attribution to Thomas Sowell. And, why not?

RF

December 18th, 2012
7:48 pm

“J is with boa and uppity..j is no boa..uppity”

But the boa does add a certain…panache to it!

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
7:49 pm

Here we go, Scout. In answer to your post, let’s allow “full automatic,” i.e., “machine guns” with multi-hundred-round “clips” or “drums” if you prefer. That way, wacko nutcases can take out thousands of people without even having to reload. Sounds like a winner to me. What do you think?

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
7:59 pm

josef

December 18th, 2012
8:02 pm

Harry Reed

December 18th, 2012
8:07 pm

Boo Hoo! What a crybaby Jay is! Can’t find nothing to write about !

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
8:11 pm

All I can say is if 1,000 deer show up at my door looking to “get even” I want to be able to defend myself!

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
8:18 pm

Hooray! New page!

josef

December 18th, 2012
8:24 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
8:25 pm

I suspect that Senior Digits boa is camo color…. Del has the pink boa with matching glitter.

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
8:30 pm

josef: that was a “pay per download” image. Try to right click and “copy image location.” Then post that — if you can.

Josef

December 18th, 2012
8:37 pm

Sooth

Sorry about that…but Im on iPad now…can’t get it to come up here properly…no biggie, was a deer sitting in a den with human heads mounted on the wall…

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
8:44 pm

Jackie

December 18th, 2012
8:48 pm

The so-called conservatives believe when they operate within the strict letter of the law, they have nothing to answer for.

It appears that they care nothing about the spirit of the law, as long as they can win and maintain control.

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
8:51 pm

We need to focus a well structured and maintained database with strict guidelines for firearm sales. I do agree with closing off gun show sales and private unregistered transfer sales. I don’t agree with banning firearms, ammunition or magazine capacity other then 100 round drums which are a joke anyway.

guy

December 18th, 2012
8:54 pm

cons need acorn so they can “steal” the elections.if that doesn’t work,send in the “panthers”.

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
9:04 pm

I suspect that Senior Digits boa is camo color…. Del has the pink boa with matching glitter.

I’ll bet that keep up the good freight giggles beyond control when he/she fantasizes about stroking anything long like a boa constrictor.

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
9:07 pm

WASHINGTON — After four days of self-imposed silence on the shooting that killed 26 people inside a Newtown, Conn., elementary school, the nation’s largest gun rights lobby emerged Tuesday and promised “to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.”

The National Rifle Association explained its unusual absence “out of respect for the families and as a matter of common decency” after Friday’s shooting that left dead 20 children, all ages 6 or 7.

The group — typically outspoken about its positions even after shooting deaths — went all but silent since the rampage. As it faced public scrutiny online and in person, the group left many wondering how — if at all — it would respond to one of the most shocking slayings in the nation’s history.

“The National Rifle Association of America is made up of 4 million moms and dads, sons and daughters, and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown,” the organization said in a statement. “The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:08 pm

I’ll bet that keep up the good freight giggles beyond control when he/she fantasizes about stroking anything long like a boa constrictor.

Says a lot more about you Del, you poor whittle freighted closet creature. :D :lol: :lol:

bman.

December 18th, 2012
9:08 pm

i own a slingshot….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:09 pm

frightened not freighted.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:10 pm

Jam, you mean the NRA may concede its not wise to allow guns to be sold to those on the terror watch list.

bman.

December 18th, 2012
9:11 pm

Keep Up .. .. do you own a gun?

Chris Sanchez

December 18th, 2012
9:17 pm

Just so I understand, using the legislative process and making legal, constitutional changes in the laws of individual states is an “imaginative scheme to steal elections”? Sorry Jay but that is out of wack even for you.

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
9:20 pm

The NRA showed class by not getting into the discourse about guns in the aftermath of this horrific act at Sandy Hook Elementary. The left showed its typical lack of class by immediately jumping on to their typical anti-gun rhetoric as though gun control can stop these tragedies. The NRA will participate in objective discussions and hopefully the left will put aside their subjective non-solutions.

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
9:21 pm

Keep, I was thinking more of the NRA that has in numerous cases, been bitterly opposed by dozens of police chiefs across this country.

Could just be empty words from them. Or more likely, just symbolic gestures. But to actually start compromising on some issues?

We will see, won’t we?

td

December 18th, 2012
9:22 pm

One wonders if CA and NY are thinking about going to this type of system?

td

December 18th, 2012
9:29 pm

This conservative is willing to compromise and give in on one of the most important parts of our philosophy. I am willing to tax violent movies, violent video games, violent web sites and TV shows to pay for armed guards at each and every school in the country. Only provision is that the states would have to hire the guards. We already have a trained force with all the vets that have returned from more then 10 years of combat and can not find a job now.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:30 pm

JamVet, I expect they will publicly offer a few concessions but resist real change for sensible gun laws and safety. Fixing things like Stand Your Ground will be avoided, and there will be a lot of behind the door wink, wink, nudge, nudge as they offer great names for bills that have nothing to do with what they really address. And there will be a few new “grassroots” astroturf orgs to front for the real resistance.

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
9:32 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:34 pm

Oooohhh goody, I am for taxing significantly bullets, guns, targets and raising all hunting license fees. Use the proceeds to fund bulletproof vests for law enforcement, enhanced security and judges/prosecutor salaries to go after the gun trade.

td

December 18th, 2012
9:35 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:30 pm

JamVet, I expect they will publicly offer a few concessions but resist real change for sensible gun laws and safety.

What does the Friday incident have to do with Stand my ground?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:37 pm

And since the GOP has paved the way on how to regulate certain businesses out of existence even if they are constitutional, I am sure we can use the same techniques to impose some real regulations on gun shows (in addition to background checks and central database, with 5-7 day waiting period).

td

December 18th, 2012
9:38 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:34 pm

I have actually attempted to come up with a legitimate compromise that has a chance of passing and will significantly reduce the risk of the Friday incident from ever happening again and you counter with a progressive wish list that has no chance if passing. I guess we know nothing is actually going to get done on this issue.

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
9:39 pm

Ooooohhh, look at keep up the good freight…Nah y’all look, I’ve been convinced for a long time that this one is well within the top ten of the most ignorant posters on Jay’s blog.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:39 pm

td, you just keep trying to argue they are all isolated incidents. Sorry, squirt…. the gun violence issue is not a single incident. Boys should not die for walking home from the 7-11 or playing music too loud.

td

December 18th, 2012
9:40 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:37 pm

Again all you are doing is attempting to use this incident to go after all guns. Not going to happen my friend.

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
9:42 pm

td

December 18th, 2012
9:29 pm

This conservative is willing to compromise and give in on one of the most important parts of our philosophy. I am willing to tax violent movies, violent video games, violent web sites and TV shows to pay for armed guards at each and every school in the country. Only provision is that the states would have to hire the guards. We already have a trained force with all the vets that have returned from more then 10 years of combat and can not find a job now.
++++++++++++++++++

I’m just curious. Is THIS what you told Keep in your 9:38 was a “legitimate compromise that has a chance of passing and will significantly reduce the risk of the Friday incident from ever happening again?”

Really?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:44 pm

I’ve been convinced for a long time that this one is well within the top ten of the most ignorant posters on Jay’s blog.

Why thanks Del, but truth is no one can exceed the ignorance of you FTroopers. Not sure which of you is the leader of the pack but you each work so hard to exceed the others. You are outstanding for your ignorance and your little boy internet testosterone chest thumping meaning bluster. There is just no way I can keep up with your ignorance. Congrats! :D

td

December 18th, 2012
9:46 pm

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
9:42 pm

And you think this is not a viable option. why? We already have armed security on all of our High School campuses in Georgia and a great many of our middle schools. Do you not agree that this has a better chance at passing and preventing similar incidents then trying to take all the guns away from criminals?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
9:46 pm

Again all you are doing is attempting to use this incident to go after all guns.

Nope. Clearly you don’t know what you are talking about.

Not going to happen my friend

There will be some changes made my fake friend.

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
9:47 pm

Keep, the tax angle is not a bad one.

Again, I am willing to accept “sin taxes”.

Booze, tobacco, guns, pollution, gambling, derivatives/speculation – the things we don’t want much of in society could be even more heavily taxed. And I smoke the occasional cigar and have a couple of drinks. So, I’ll gladly pay my part.

As for a violence in media tax? Sure, why not? Let the addicts pay even more to see Bruce Willis wantonly slaughter thousands.

I’d just be happy if the free loaders on TV and radio started paying us rent for using our assets. (But alas, Uncle Sam is one lousy landlord…)

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
9:50 pm

Td,

The stupids think that firearm restrictions are okay on law abiding citizens but under no circumstances restrict their free speech regardless of what may be said or displayed that could be contrary to a healthy society so long as it’s for their selfish pleasure.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
9:51 pm

td,

The taxes collected would just end up being wasted money just like everything else. I would be for doing what they do in Israel and Thailand. Let teachers or teachers aides or principals at schools arm themselves after taking the necessary licensing and permitting. Lets see how many lunatics choose to attack a school knowing full well that there is a good chance several of the employees are armed.

Regarding the Colorado mass killer here’s an interesting tidbit.

“So why did the killer pick the Cinemark theater? You might think that it was the one closest to the killer’s apartment. Or, that it was the one with the largest audience.

Yet, neither explanation is right. Instead, out of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, **it was the only one where guns were banned.** In Colorado, individuals with permits can carry concealed handgun in most malls, stores, movie theaters, and restaurants. But private businesses can determine whether permit holders can carry guns on their private property.

Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns. But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater’s entrance.

Jm

December 18th, 2012
9:54 pm

Oh bloody he’ll

My tax return is going to go from 200 pages to 250 pages

• “The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has expanded the security types that have covered status and require cost basis reporting. In addition to equity holdings, Xxx is now required by the IRS to report cost basis information for mutual funds, exchange-traded funds (ETFs), exchange-traded notes (ETNs), dividend reinvestment plans (DRIPs), and registered investment companies (RICs) acquired on or after January 1, 2012.”

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
9:55 pm

Recon,

Its mind boggling isn’t it. The libs think that banning guns in a particular place will make it safer. But of course all it does is affect law abiding citizens. The criminals just ignore it. They’ll never figure it out. Their ideology won’t let them think it through.

td

December 18th, 2012
9:56 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
9:51 pm

td,

“The taxes collected would just end up being wasted money just like everything else. I would be for doing what they do in Israel and Thailand. Let teachers or teachers aides or principals at schools arm themselves after taking the necessary licensing and permitting. ”

I like your plan better then mine but I was actually trying to come up with a compromise that could be implemented because your plan will never pass the Dems.

USA Patriot

December 18th, 2012
9:58 pm

Uhmm, until someone can identify & contain someone w/ a deranged mind (legally), we can’t do jack shyte about these types of atrocities. Laws be dam*ed, if they have a mission, they have a mission. Sad, but true.

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
10:02 pm

Sociopaths are typically far left liberals who can’t succeed in our society and therefore in some extreme cases resort to acting out their frustrations by resorting to mass murder. The solution to this problem is to ban liberals.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
10:04 pm

“I was actually trying to come up with a compromise that could be implemented because your plan will never pass the Dems.”

You’re certainly right. Mine would never pass. Normally I would have no problem with your tax on ultra violent movies, dvds, etc. similar to a sin tax that JamVet talked about. Its just that the gubment would end up wasting the money like they do already.

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
10:07 pm

Doom,

This blog is helpful because you can get a good glimpse into the twisted minds of left wingers.

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
10:07 pm

td

December 18th, 2012
9:46 pm

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
9:42 pm

And you think this is not a viable option. why? We already have armed security on all of our High School campuses in Georgia and a great many of our middle schools. Do you not agree that this has a better chance at passing and preventing similar incidents then trying to take all the guns away from criminals?
++++++++++++++++++++

That is so insipidly stupid it does not deserve a response. I just wanted to know how low the bar of intelligence had sunk tonight before I decided whether or not to join. Since there is no way in hell I can match the stupidity, I guess I better bow out. Have a great evening.

td

December 18th, 2012
10:08 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
10:04 pm

“Its just that the gubment would end up wasting the money like they do already.”

Agree, I am just hoping the legislation would be written in such a way that all revenues were earmarked explicitly for the guards.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
10:08 pm

“The solution to this problem is to ban liberals.”

I would be against that for at least 3 reasons 1- I would lose some of my toys that I play with 2- they’re good for my ego and my sanity. When I read some of their kooky thoughts I feel good about myself and realize I still have my sanity 3- laughter is the best medicine. Is there really anything better for a good laugh than their posts?

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
10:10 pm

Doom, I suppose you make some points there.

td

December 18th, 2012
10:11 pm

Fred ™

December 18th, 2012
10:07 pm

Again how? You are good with the platitudes but when something is actually laid on the table that you disagree with then you poo poo on it instead of explaining yourself.

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
10:11 pm

“I am just hoping the legislation would be written in such a way that all revenues were earmarked explicitly for the guards.”

I hear ya. But it would never be earmarked. And even if they did earmark it sooner or later they would unearmark it. SS revenues were at one time kept separate to keep the greedy pols from spending it all. LBJ ruined all that and they’ve been spending it ever since.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
10:12 pm

td

December 18th, 2012
10:12 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
10:08 pm

LOL I will have to remember it and use it in the future.

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
10:15 pm

Well with a five year old who needs a lot of encouragement to get out of bed in the mourning and get ready for school, I better sign out. Taps

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
10:18 pm

Recon,

If you ban liberals you would never have great moments like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

Soothsayer

December 18th, 2012
10:18 pm

“I have been in many places, but I’ve never been in Cahoots. Apparently, you can’t go alone. You have to be in Cahoots with someone.

I’ve also never been in Cognito. I hear no one recognizes you there.

I have, however, been in Sane. They don’t have an airport; you have to be driven there. I have made several trips there, thanks to my friends, family and work.

I would like to go to Conclusions, but you have to jump, and I’m not too much on physical activity anymore.

I have also been in Doubt. That is a sad place to go, and I try not to visit there too often.

I’ve been in Flexible, but only when it was very important to stand firm.

Sometimes I’m in Capable, and I go there more often as I’m getting older.

One of my favorite places to be is in Suspense! It really gets the adrenalin flowing and pumps up the old heart! At my age I need all the stimuli I can get!

And, sometimes I think I am in Vincible but life shows me I am not!”

You know, there’s a lot of logic in there, you just have to look for it!

Good night all!

bman.

December 18th, 2012
10:20 pm

a bit past 10pm…all the old-timers checking out

USA Patriot

December 18th, 2012
10:28 pm

Hey, bman, I resemble that remark! HA!

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
10:30 pm

U.S. consumer confidence index, conducted by The Conference Board, an independent business and research association, rose from 73.1 in October to 73.7 in November, which is the best index reading since February 2008.

The higher index rate could indicate a strong surge in holiday shopping in December. And as consumer spending makes up nearly 70% of economic activity, this could mean a strong economic end to 2012.

When the index is at 90, it means the country is experiencing a healthy economy. The last time the index was above the 90 mark was in December 2007, the first month of the recession. Two months later the index experienced its all-time low of 25.3 but has since recovered drastically.

The Conference Board said the higher consumer confidence is in light of a steady growth in jobs over the past several months. Bloomberg – Nov. 11, 2012

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
10:30 pm

bman, Old timers- or old farts?

bman.

December 18th, 2012
10:35 pm

Doom .. .. both :-)

Thulsa Doom

December 18th, 2012
10:39 pm

bman,

Count me as one of em old farts. Taps for Doomy.

USA Patriot

December 18th, 2012
10:42 pm

Uhmm, Jam, might want to keep the sunglasses on, future ain’t looking as bright as you think.

12/11/2012

The first entirely post-election reading from the University of Michigan-Thomson Reuters consumer confidence survey came out on Friday. It was awful. As reported at MarketWatch, the overall index “fell to 74.5 from 82.7 in November,” far below expectations of 82.0, representing “the biggest one-month drop since March 2011.” Zero Hedge noted that it’s the “biggest miss on record” compared to expectations.

At least Reuters knew how to accurately describe its affiliated publication’s reports, telling readers in an unbylined item that the U of M reading was “far below November’s figure of 82.7 and the median forecast of 82.4 among economists polled by Reuters.” Too bad the others didn’t. That’s almost enough to make you wonder if the Obama koolaid delivery truck missed one of its appointed stops on Friday morning.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/12/11/confidence-crash-mostly-concealed-ap-barely-notes-bloomberg-minimizes-it#ixzz2FSwJ6NFv

appleseed

December 18th, 2012
10:45 pm

Just tax every gun as personal property.since most of the states are red the conservatives would love paying this tax.Yeah and a numbers permit like for your boat.All registered,all permitted with renewable numbers every 4/5 years,and taxed as personal property.Now I know you conservatives will love this idea.Also no assault rifles,no magazine over 5 capacity including one in barrel.Sales tax when you sell or trade.All this needs be done immediately,while the conservatives hold office. You can look back in history and say you done this.Ain’t you proud.

USA Patriot

December 18th, 2012
10:50 pm

Taps for Patriot.

bman.

December 18th, 2012
10:51 pm

Tap-dancing for Kamchak

:-)

beam me up

December 18th, 2012
11:06 pm

If the Constitution allows states to allocate as they choose, I don’t see the problem. It is true that the Republicans are currently in the position to set state policy in sates that went Democratic in the last election. However it seems a leap to assume that the election would have turned out differently though it undoubtedly would have been closer to the popular vote. If there is a Democratic wave election, a lot of these state houses will probably flip and the shoe will be on the other foot. If Hillary runs in 2016, no amount of gerrymandering will help. It will be a landslide and she’ll have long coattails as well.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 19th, 2012
1:18 am

stands for decibels

December 19th, 2012
5:57 am

Redcoat

December 19th, 2012
5:58 am

Jay and company …..stepping away from a representative republic one comment at a time….but don’t blame them, they’re smarter than everybody, it must be better.

stands for decibels

December 19th, 2012
6:02 am

If the Constitution allows states to allocate as they choose, I don’t see the problem.

…unless you happen to live in one of those anti-democratic (small “d”) states that cynically decided to do such a thing.

i’ll say it again–if we have aspirations to becoming a civilized nation, we need to (among many other things) amend the Constitution to provide for a popular vote direct election of our President. The EC is an embarrassment.

(and I don’t buy the idea that small states couldn’t be persuaded to amend. People in small states, big states, ALL states save the “swing” states, are screwed by the EC. It needs to be taken out back and shot.)

Wait a minute

December 19th, 2012
6:24 am

Back to the purely political CYA front, panel reports yesterday that high ups in State Department bungled Benghazi (no news there) and report there was no sign of any “protests” before the terrorist attack. Administration officials (somewhere) started making up the cover of ‘anti film protests’ to stop from calling it what it was, what anyone with a brain knew it was all along, a terrorist attack. Just call a spade a spade.
Hillary is resigning at just the right time. Susan Rice, with a career of kissing up to higher ups to advance her career (including lots of nice dictators), and lots of money to be made from the Keystone Pipeline, has been passed on (thank goodness). Time for some new blood.

Don Partee

December 19th, 2012
6:45 am

In 2000 and 2004 the Democrats were making the same kind of noises. If you win you win and if you lose you lose. Keep the sustem as it is. If you lose you change your game plan or your quarterback ,and I’m a conservative.

Georgia

December 19th, 2012
6:45 am

So Bookman is saying that all the liberals problems would be solved if we could just get rid of this Jerry Mander guy? Which state is he from? Is he in the house or senate? or is he like a Dick Morris? Karl Rove? Tell me Jerry Mander is not the nom de plume of Newt Gingrich, because if it is, then we’re finished. Nobody can stop Newt now that he’s been accepted into the talk show circuit’s Amazonian elite circle of the View, the Chew, the Chat, the Shop, and the Shave. What a sellout, guys. He’s pitching (and catching) for the other team, the dirty rat.

Luckovich. Today. ?

weetamoe

December 19th, 2012
6:51 am

Maine and Nebraska adopted the system, but *not for partisan purposes.* It’s partisan only when Big Bro’s Ministry of Information says it’s partisan.

Z

December 20th, 2012
1:21 am

Republican’s can’t win on their failed policies, so they lie,cheat, suppress the vote, commit voter fraud, and Gerrymander the states districts. Who needs enemies when we have Republican politicians in this country!