GOP concocts imaginative scheme to steal elections
A Republican presidential candidate hasn’t carried Michigan since the first George Bush did it back in 1988, seven election cycles ago. And for the GOP, the future doesn’t look much brighter than the past. In the most recent election, Barack Obama carried the state and its 16 electoral votes by a comfortable margin of 9.5 percentage points.
So what’s a losing party to do? Field a better candidate? Develop a message that voters will find more compelling? Nah. Why do things the hard way when you can “fix” the system to your advantage legislatively?
As Reid Wilson explains in National Journal, Michigan Republicans are preparing to use their control of the state Legislature to change the way in which electoral votes are awarded in their state. Rather than use the traditional winner-take-all system, they propose to award electoral votes by congressional district.
What would that mean in practice? It would mean that in 2012, Obama would have won just seven of Michigan’s 16 electoral votes, even though he carried the state very easily. Mitt Romney would have won nine electoral votes even though he lost his native state convincingly.
How could that be? Because unlike state boundaries, boundaries of congressional districts can be gerrymandered to favor one party over another. In Michigan’s case, its congressional districts have been heavily gerrymandered to maximize GOP power and minimize Democratic power, and if you use those same boundaries to award electoral votes in a presidential race, you get that same distorted outcome.
And as Wilson points out, Michigan is far from the only state where Republicans have control of the legislative process and hope to implement such changes:
Pennsylvania: Obama won the Keystone State by 5 percentage points in 2012. Again, no GOP presidential candidate has carried the state since 1988. But under the altered rules, Pennsylvania would have produced 12 electoral votes for Romney in 2012, leaving only eight for Obama, even though the Democrat carried the state by almost 300,000 votes.
Wisconsin: Republicans haven’t carried Paul Ryan’s home state since 1984, and in 2012 Obama won its 10 electoral votes by a margin of 6.7 percentage points. But under the altered system, Obama would have had to split those 10 electoral votes evenly with the loser.
Florida: Obama has now carried the state twice in a row by narrow margins. But if presidential votes tracked congressional votes, Romney would have won 17 of Florida’s 29 electoral votes under the altered system, leaving only 12 for the candidate who actually won a majority of the state’s votes.
Ohio: Obama carried the state in both 2008 and 2012. But if the rules had been changed and presidential votes tracked congressional votes, he would have won only a third of Ohio’s 18 electoral votes, giving two-thirds to the candidate who lost the state.
Virginia: Obama won the state for the second time in a row in 2012, this time by four percentage points. But under the GOP plan, his likely reward for that victory would have been just five of the state’s 13 electoral college votes.
Under the Constitution, each state has the right to determine how its electoral votes are distributed, which would make it difficult to challenge such changes legally. In fact, Maine and Nebraska already use such a system, although neither state adopted it for partisan purposes.
In addition, the congressional maps in Maine and Nebraska are not heavily gerrymandered, which makes a big difference. In states with gerrymandered maps, such a system might be vulnerable to legal challenge on the grounds that politicians were consciously trying to discount the value of votes cast by certain U.S. citizens while enhancing the value of others.
Because as Wilson reports, the GOP is pretty clear about its intent:
“If you did the calculation, you’d see a massive shift of electoral votes in states that are blue and fully [in] red control,” said one senior Republican taking an active role in pushing the proposal. “There’s no kind of autopsy and outreach that can grab us those electoral votes that quickly.”
The proposals, the senior GOP official said, are likely to come up in each state’s legislative session in 2013. Bills have been drafted, and legislators are talking to party bosses to craft strategy. Saul Anuzis, the former chairman of the Michigan Republican Party, has briefed Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus and Chief of Staff Jeff Larson on his state’s proposal. The proposal “is not being met with the ‘We can’t do that’ answer. It’s being met with ‘I’ve already got a bill started,’ ” the official said.
I particularly admire the cynicism behind the admission that “there’s no kind of autopsy and outreach that can grab us those electoral votes that quickly.” In other words, why try to appeal to more voters or reassess your platform when, by legislative fiat, you can in effect all but steal electoral votes and perhaps the election itself?
The potential implications of such a change would be profound. For example, it would add another layer of incentive for politicians to gerrymander congressional districts. In addition, Ohio and other states would no longer be battleground states; instead, you’d have battleground districts, where political war would be waged intensely while surrounding congressional districts were ignored.
Overall, if the changes in question had been in place in all six states listed above, Romney probably would have won an additional 63 electoral votes. Add that to the 206 votes that he did win, and Romney has 269 votes, creating an electoral college tie with Obama.
That tie in turn would have thrown the race into the House of Representatives, where Republicans hold a narrow majority thanks in part to their success at gerrymandering.
Which means that Romney, having lost the popular vote by almost four percentage points and 4.7 million votes, would today be President-elect Romney.
– Jay Bookman
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Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
2:37 pm
JohnnyReb
December 18th, 2012
2:33 pm
Fred – I can eat a can of alphabet soup and crap a better post than your 2:28.
WOW! Now dat is a blog beatdown worthy of a
B
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kimmer
December 18th, 2012
2:37 pm
Joe Hussien – “FWIW, your defense sounds to me more like sour grapes than anything else, e.g. you got caught but Democrats didn’t and so you’re looking to even the score. Frankly, that’s some crap my kid brother would have pulled back when we were both still in short pants. It’s not the kind of thing that has a place in an adult political conversation.”
Well Joe, no sour grapes here and I didn’t get ‘caught’ doing anything. As far as I know the GOP hasn’t got ‘caught’ either as none of this has happened and I doubt it ever will happen because I believe they would pay a price politically. It isn’t sour grapes for them either. It’s what you are completely entitled to do when your party has control. Last I checked the democrats don’t get to make all the rules just because obama won the presidency. You don’t like it? Win back control of the legislatures. You have obama to blame for losing em anyway.
Jay
December 18th, 2012
2:38 pm
“You know several states already do this, and in almost every case it was because liberals were trying to get more electoral votes for the Democrats.”
“Several”, as in two, as I pointed out in my article above. Maine, which adopted the system in 1972, has never split its votes. Nebraska adopted it beginning in 1992, and only once has it affected so much as a single electoral vote.
indigo
December 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
Doom – 12:45
One things for certain.
He need better councillors than the ones you get your answers from.
Brosephus™
December 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
willie lynch
Don’t you realize that Reagan could do no wrong?? Everything Reagan did was right and divine. Reagan went bat shyite crazy spending money during a recession because it was good for the country. Try to push for government spending to get us out of a recession now….
Soothsayer
December 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
I just wanted to take this opportunity to show my assault rifle. I got a real good deal on from a guy in Midtown. Pretty snazzy, right?
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
“The Republican party is nothing but old white men”- anonymous South Carolina Democrat.
Doggone/GA
December 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
“racist”
The NUMBER ONE most misused word on this blog
willie lynch
December 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
2:30 pm
We were lending more money than we were borrowing when Reagan took office. We were in debt when Obama took office and if you take the unpaid wars and out them on Bush where they weren’t being counted against his spending you lower Obama’s actual debt increase by nearly 4 trillion. Hmmmmm.
Wait I’ll answer for you, “Awww that’s just some ahhhhhhhhhh, duhhhhhhh, further unintelligible ranting etc. and so on.
Shut up!
Regnad Kcin
December 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
“Tim Scott will be the Alan West of the Senate. He won’t be reelected, no matter how bad the Republicans want a “token” to demonstrate their inclusiveness.
Why is it the Dems get all bothered when a minority reaches a level of power in the Republican party? What are you afraid of”
td – what exactly about that comment sounded like “fear” to you? I wonder about your reading comprehension – you should really get that checked out.
Fred ™
December 18th, 2012
2:43 pm
JohnnyReb
December 18th, 2012
2:33 pm
Fred – I can eat a can of alphabet soup and crap a better post than your 2:28.
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Is that supposed to be an insult, a brag, or a demonstration of your mental prowess. LOL What are you, like 6? My 10 year old daughter has better debating skills than that. As a matter of fact, I’d smack her on the butt if she ever said something that insipidly stupid just to get some blood circulating to her brain.
You are a sad strange little man. And you have my pity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljQMpgVY5mg
MANGLER
December 18th, 2012
2:45 pm
It is rather apparent that the party in power at any given time in a State will try any means available to them to influence the next election. Gerrymandering is one of the more pervasive methods. Shaping districts down to the address is creating a sickening show of party line politics. Look at some of the Congressional districts, just look at how they are shaped and where they fall. Some are 2 sq miles, and some are larger than Vermont. Some are shaped relative to the population centers, and some preen and hook around to grab votes address by address. Both parties are guilty of this practice, and with each election cycle, it will get more and more counterproductive.
Each State gets 2 Senators regardless of the population, demographics, or socioeconomics therein. That seems to work just fine.
Why not base the voting power of Congressional Representatives the same way? Georgia has 13 Reps, but they don’t even have to live in their districts. Rather than fighting over boundaries, let each Representative have the same power relative to their State regardless of where they live or what party they are. It would make Congressmen fight for their State as a whole rather than just a portion at a time (that’s why we have Mayors isn’t it?). It would seriously impact the amount of power that certain businesses or families or local needs have over decisions and all but kill the effect of lobbying. You can buy the vote of a local Representative, but can you necessarily buy all of them, transparently?
But that’s just me.
willie lynch
December 18th, 2012
2:45 pm
Brosephus™
December 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
I understand the unmitigated ignorance that has taken over those on the right but it’s fun to watch them babble.
indigo
December 18th, 2012
2:45 pm
Debbie – 1:20
You need one more thing.
A big picture of Elvis on a velvet cloth.
Fred ™
December 18th, 2012
2:45 pm
Sooth: I don’t know. (making .303 rounds). The one I have was a ceremonial rifle. Probably used by the palace guards or something. It is encased in cherry wood from the brass butt plate to the brass fitting by the muzzle. It is also the crookedest shooting weapon i have ever seen lol. I don’t even bother to try to shoot it, it’s just for show.
Aquagirl
December 18th, 2012
2:45 pm
WOW! williebkind!
It’s amazing how often “perverted sex” comes flying into their thoughts. You can be discussing golf, chemical compounds, the price of tea in China….and they’ll blurt out “PERVERT SECKS!!!11!!!” totally apropos of nothing. Gee, what’s up with that?
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
2:47 pm
“Try to push for government spending to get us out of a recession now….”
Because it worked so well for Japan in its lost decade, Greece, other countries in Western Europe, and here in the U.S. with anemic 1-2% economic growth. And because that massive debt never has to be repaid by our children and grandchildren.
Krystal'sBalls
December 18th, 2012
2:47 pm
Ok since everyone else changes the subject into all things guns as of late…
I think Bushmaster gets a raw deal. It’s not the BRAND NAME that matters. Seems as if everyone wants to attack the “Bushmaster”, even cited it was the same rifle used by the “DC sniper” and Colorado shooter. Could have just as soon been the S&W M&P15 (same rifle) or other AR-15 variants. The guy could have just as soon taken an AK-47 Into the school. 7.62mm, but nevertheless classified as an “assault rifle”. It would be just as horrific if it were any weapon, but to portray Bushmaster as some sort of extra evil brand really isn’t fair. Especially since as I stated yesterday, I own a Bushmaster myself.
indigo
December 18th, 2012
2:48 pm
Fred – 2:43
You are the last one here who needs to be questioning someone else’s “mental prowess”.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 18th, 2012
2:50 pm
kimmer — “Well Joe, no sour grapes here and I didn’t get ‘caught’ doing anything.”
Since I was using the indefinite ‘you’ and not the definite, you mistake my meaning.
“As far as I know the GOP hasn’t got ‘caught’ either as none of this has happened”
You complained about Republicans being criticized for gerrymandering and Democrats not being criticized for it. Your complaint clearly seems to stem from that state of affairs.
“and I doubt it ever will happen because I believe they would pay a price politically.”
Like a lot of criticism for gerrymandering? (giggling)
“It isn’t sour grapes for them either. It’s what you are completely entitled to do when your party has control.”
Actually, no. See the provisions of the Voting Rights Act.
“Last I checked the democrats don’t get to make all the rules just because obama won the presidency.”
Last I checked, neither I nor anyone else here had asserted or claimed any such thing.
“You don’t like it? Win back control of the legislatures. You have obama to blame for losing em anyway.”
I love when cons try to cite historical facts and wind up stomping all over their own cranks. (laughing, pointing)
Fred ™
December 18th, 2012
2:50 pm
Oh and my dedicated stalker, Indigo chimes in. How sweet. Found Jesus yet there Indigo?
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/12/18/barack-obamas-stimulus-didnt-work
Oh noes! Lions and tigers and bears…
Brosephus™
December 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
willie lynch
————————-
Because it worked so well for Japan in its lost decade, Greece, other countries in Western Europe, and here in the U.S. with anemic 1-2% economic growth. And because that massive debt never has to be repaid by our children and grandchildren.
So, when are you going to get Reagan’s nads out of your mouth long enough to fault him for his part in setting us down the road to nonstop debt? You talk about Reagan like he could chew coal and crap Tiffany cuff links, yet you don’t say a single thing about his debt run up. That’s very well partisaned of you, but I expect as much from you soon as the word Reagan appears on the blog. It’s almost comical in watching you jump to his defense like a trained seal.
curious
December 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
Allen West was/is a buffoon.
Tim Scott will prove to be the same. Heck, he’ll probably sign up with Paul Broun on many postions such as the age of the world, global warming, etc.
There’s nothing racist about it, just like there’s nothing racist about people criticizing Obama.
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
2:54 pm
“’m just curious…where did this “sympathy law” meme come from, ”
It is a guise used by liberal groups to change law or make a new law based on emotions rather than the constitution. We see this today after that liberal maniac killed all those children. The liberals blame the gun while gently mentioning the evil liberal maniac who actually did the slaying.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 18th, 2012
2:56 pm
…he could chew coal and crap Tiffany cuff links…
Sounds like one bad stud.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 18th, 2012
2:57 pm
williebkind — “It is a guise used by liberal groups to change law or make a new law based on emotions rather than the constitution. We see this today after that liberal maniac killed all those children.”
And it’s these sympathy laws that caused Dick’s Sporting Goods to pull all those rifles, is that it?
willie lynch
December 18th, 2012
2:58 pm
Brosephus™
December 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
That’s funny, but I think you meant that for Thulsa Dumb.
Fred ™
December 18th, 2012
2:58 pm
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
2:54 pm
“’m just curious…where did this “sympathy law” meme come from, ”
It is a guise used by liberal groups to change law or make a new law based on emotions rather than the constitution.
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You mean like George Bush and his “patriot act?”
Damn you talk radio/FOXBOTS are just too easy. It took me .0002 seconds to think of THAT one, yet in all the hours since your God’s programmed you with that line it never occurred to you. No wonder they make so much money selling stupid to the brainless………
curious
December 18th, 2012
2:59 pm
Does the NRA have any suggestions on how to keep firearms out of the hands of the evil “liberal” maniac?
Aquagirl
December 18th, 2012
3:00 pm
The liberals blame the gun while gently mentioning the evil liberal maniac who actually did the slaying.
For poor ‘ol willie being obsessed with mythical liberals and “sympathy law” is better than being obsessed with PERVERT SECKS!!!!11!!
It’s the con equivalent to thinking about batting averages.
indigo
December 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
Fred – 2:50 “found Jesus yet”
No. But there’s no doubt you’re one of the delusional here.
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
“And it’s these sympathy laws that caused Dick’s Sporting Goods to pull all those rifles, is that it?”
Yepper, the negative publicity the liberals will make demanding a sympathy law. You got it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
It is a guise used by liberal groups to change law or make a new law based on emotions rather than the constitution.
The free market at work, and it’s still the fault of a law that hasn’t even been passed yet.
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
“We were in debt when Obama took office and if you take the unpaid wars and out them on Bush where they weren’t being counted against his spending you lower Obama’s actual debt increase by nearly 4 trillion. Hmmmmm.”
Willie Lynch,
Your ignorance is more profound than even I imagined it to be. First of all W’s war spending numbers didn’t show up in his deficits but they absolutely showed up in his debt numbers. And we are talking about debt- not annual deficits. Does your mind understand the frigging difference? Cause it doesn’t sound like you do.
Secondly, the Iraq war ended back in 2011 and we had been scaling down military expenditures and manpower there for a while before it ended. The last combat troops left there a while ago. Or did you not know that??? And on Afgh Obama ramped up military operations. He could have just pulled out. That’s on him sir. And the military expenditures on war in Iraq are a fraction of what they were when W was in office. So clearly you simply don’t know what the hell you are talking about. Nothing new there of course.
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
“Does the NRA have any suggestions on how to keep firearms out of the hands of the evil “liberal” maniac?”
Is that the responsibility of the NRA or the liberals.
How many times do CONS have to LOSE to become a LOSER? 0-2? LOSERS
December 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
Which means that Romney, having lost the popular vote by almost four percentage points and 4.7 million votes, would today be President-elect Romney.
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Thank you Jesus for SAVING US from this EVIL man.
Voter suppression by the GOP was meant for EVIL.
But God meant it for good.
WE WON.
CONS 0 – LIBERALS 2
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:06 pm
Aquagirl :
Oh c’mon batting averages?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
williebkind — “Yepper, the negative publicity the liberals will make demanding a sympathy law. You got it.”
But if the “sympathy law” doesn’t exist yet, how did it make Dick’s Sporting Goods take those rifles off the shelf?
td
December 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
curious
December 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
Allen West was/is a buffoon.
Tim Scott will prove to be the same. Heck, he’ll probably sign up with Paul Broun on many postions such as the age of the world, global warming, etc.
There’s nothing racist about it, just like there’s nothing racist about people criticizing Obama.
Why are you not talking about the crazy Hank Johnson or Maxine Walters? Like I thought they are not crazy because they are Dems.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
Most of this countries debt was run up under Republican Administrations.
There can be no debate about that.
Heck Reagan bankrupted California so bad the feds had to step in then he came to Washington and quadrupled the National Debt in 8 years.
93 US personnel were killed under his watch at oversees embassies.
And when the Marine barracks were bombed what did he do? He pulled them out and cut and ran like a coward.
Truly an abysmal record by one of the worst Presidents of the 20th century.
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
“WE WON.”
Not in Ga.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 18th, 2012
3:09 pm
“WE WON.”
Not in Ga.
Nope. Georgia is a very poor state with a lot of people on welfare. Very low education levels.
Those states tend to be Republican.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 18th, 2012
3:09 pm
Yepper, the negative publicity the liberals will make demanding a sympathy law. You got it.
Rationalizing, not rational.
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
JHM:
Your just being dense. I am not playing.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 18th, 2012
3:11 pm
Your[sic] just being dense.
Oh, the irony.
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:11 pm
“Nope. Georgia is a very poor state with a lot of people on welfare. Very low education levels.
Those states tend to be Republican.”
That is where the liberals keep their plantation folks.
Regnad Kcin
December 18th, 2012
3:12 pm
willieb – how do we tell the difference between a “sympathy law,” and the other kind? Is there an objective method?
Brosephus™
December 18th, 2012
3:12 pm
willie lynch
That’s why I put the line there. That was a response to Doom’s post that was directed at me. I know and understand that Reagan did some good things. I also know he did some things that were not so good. I always thought that was common knowledge until I began to run into Reagan’s cheerleaders on the internet.
Aquagirl
December 18th, 2012
3:12 pm
Oh c’mon batting averages?
Well, I don’t have personal experience in the “need to distract myself quick” area so yeah, that’s the best thing I could think of.
willie lynch
December 18th, 2012
3:13 pm
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
Whatever makes you feel better. You’ve been debunked by a few on this thread already. Take your meds…sweet dreams.
GT
December 18th, 2012
3:13 pm
This is exactly how they are controlling the Congress and what a mess they have made of it. Their strategy the whole century has been to get a grassroots movement and rule by loopholes exactly like they have hijack government in the Congress. Will America feel good about this and just let it go by? I doubt it but they have sabotage the will of the people so long they have become experts at it. You’re not wanted, go home doesn’t work it like it should; it is like Herman Talmadge moving into the governor’s office and daring someone to throw his out. Only in the federal government someone damn well may do it by force or whatever means is needed. The will of the people works better in the federal government than the state, to much corruption.
Regnad Kcin
December 18th, 2012
3:14 pm
“That is where the liberals keep their plantation folks.”
So, you’re saying “plantation folks” tend to be republican?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 18th, 2012
3:15 pm
Whatever makes you feel better. You’ve been debunked by a few on this thread already
Thats a daily occurrence.
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
3:15 pm
“So, when are you going to get Reagan’s nads out of your mouth long enough to fault him for his part in setting us down the road to nonstop debt?”
So are you saying that the US govt had never run deficits before? But somehow it was Reagan who set us down the road of debt when the U.S. govt had run plenty of deficits in years past? But when W and Obama run up debt its somehow Reagan’s fault? Or you effing serious???
“You talk about Reagan like he could chew coal and crap Tiffany cuff links, yet you don’t say a single thing about his debt run up.”
Facts are facts sir. You can’t argue his jobs numbers or the level of economic growth can you? Now as RF said the debt was 712 billion when Reagan came in and when he left it was 2.05 trillion. So he raised it 1.3 trillion according to RF in 8 years. Obama raised the debt 1.3 trillion in one year alone.
Is there something about these numbers that you liberals can’t seem to understand. Reagan raised the debt 1.33 trillion in 8 years and he’s the bad guy but Obama raises it by 1.3 trillion in a single year and he’s a good guy? You guys are living in bizarro world. Is scale and perspective so completely lacking in liberal fantasyland that you guys think Reagans 1.33 trillion in debt in 8 years is as bad as Obama’s 6 or 7 trillion in a mere 4 years? Man is that wacko or what?
“That’s very well partisaned of you, but I expect as much from you soon as the word Reagan appears on the blog.”
I’m just dealing in facts. Why does that bother you so?
“It’s almost comical in watching you jump to his defense like a trained seal.”
Not nearly as comical as watching the kook hatemongers and lapdogs try to revise history when they start bringing up Reagan.
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:15 pm
“Yepper, the negative publicity the liberals will make demanding a sympathy law. You got it.
Rationalizing, not rational.”
I am consistent with or based on or using reason, it is your dogma that drifts below normal.
Regnad Kcin
December 18th, 2012
3:16 pm
“Oh c’mon batting averages?”
See the Woody Allen routine for more information. “I decided to pinch-hit for Mays…” Hilarious!
moonbat betty
December 18th, 2012
3:16 pm
Wow, liberals seem a bit “frisky” today.
Must be the sunshine…
or maybe just got through taking a dump.
JamVet
December 18th, 2012
3:16 pm
We see this today after that liberal maniac killed all those children.
If there really is a hell, you have a seat reserved in the front row.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 18th, 2012
3:16 pm
It is a guise used by liberal groups to change law or make a new law based on emotions rather than the constitution. We see this today after that liberal maniac killed all those children
All maniacs are liberals.
/straightfaced
Joe Hussein Mama
December 18th, 2012
3:17 pm
williebkind — “JHM: Your just being dense. I am not playing.”
No, willie, I think there’s some denseness going on, but no playing at all. And I’d like an answer, please.
I’d like for you to explain to me how a nonexistent “sympathy law” made a business pull a bunch of rifles off its shelves.
Go ahead, tell me.
I’ve been polite and helpful to you today, so now you can return the favor.
barking frog
December 18th, 2012
3:18 pm
I always thought one of the big reasons for so many assault weapons
was Dicks and now they have decided on early withdrawal as a remedy
maybe others will follow suit.
moonbat betty
December 18th, 2012
3:18 pm
“We see this today after that liberal maniac killed all those children”
According to JHM, “dumb fat chunks” are the killers.
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:18 pm
““That is where the liberals keep their plantation folks.”
So, you’re saying “plantation folks” tend to be republican?”
Aww, I forgot you are a former school teacher, public school teacher at that, reading comprehension kept you in the K1-K4 rooms huh.
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
3:20 pm
“Whatever makes you feel better.”
Yep. The facts make me feel better.
“You’ve been debunked by a few on this thread already.”
I’ve yet to see anyone debunk Reagan’s jobs records, economic growth rate, or his debt numbers vs Obama’s jobs record, economic growth rate, or debt numbers. You can’t. Nor can any other kook on here. The reason you can’t is because the facts are squarely on my side.
“Take your meds…sweet dreams.”
Take my meds? I used to use that insult- when I was in the 6th grade.
Regnad Kcin
December 18th, 2012
3:20 pm
Was there a “sympathy law” forcing the NRA to go dark?
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:20 pm
“All maniacs are liberals.
/straightfaced”
Glaring back, yep, from that area in CT.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 18th, 2012
3:20 pm
Only in the sick perverted mind of a Conservative is the answer to gun violence….
More guns
George Orwell couldn’t make this stuff up.
willie lynch
December 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
Brosephus™
December 18th, 2012
3:12 pm
True dat.
moonbat betty
December 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
Frog:
Dicks is pulling the BushMaster.
USA Patriot
December 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
Thulsa Doom 3:15 – 3 Point shot from the pro-line – well done!
Brosephus™
December 18th, 2012
3:23 pm
Not nearly as comical as watching the kook hatemongers and lapdogs try to revise history when they start bringing up Reagan.
And just where did I attempt to revise history? I’m merely asking why you’re so intent on living in the past instead of living in the present? Reagan pushed the national debt over a trillion dollars, did he not? Did that same president also triple the national debt? Did that same president not increase the size of government, including personnel, during his tenure? According to Cheney, Reagan proved that deficits did not matter, right, so why is it all of a sudden such a big issue in politics?
I never said the government didn’t run deficits before. The issue with Reagan is, we quit running mild deficits and ran the car right over the deficit cliff. That’s the point I’m trying to make with you. You try to make Reagan sound like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but his policies also set us on the path that people think has us going broke?
After all, cutting taxes and increasing spending took on a whole new life under Reagan. You don’t even have to bother to respond, as I don’t feel like debating this crap as I’ve heard everything that you have to say about Reagan. No need of reposting that stuff again as you probably have word files that you can cut and paste with ease.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 18th, 2012
3:23 pm
I am consistent with or based on or using reason, it is your dogma that drifts below normal.
Dick’s pulled that product based on free market principals, you are speculating about a law that hasn’t even been enacted.
Rationalizing, not rational.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 18th, 2012
3:26 pm
So are you saying that the US govt had never run deficits before? But somehow it was Reagan who set us down the road of debt when the U.S. govt had run plenty of deficits in years past?
Considering Reagan almost quadrupled the debt the country had run up in its 200 year history prior to his taking office.
The man was a disaster. I dont blame him for the last two years however. I dont think he was very lucid at that point.
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Aquagirl
December 18th, 2012
3:26 pm
Dicks is pulling the BushMaster.
Is it just me, or is that is an unfortunate combination of words?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 18th, 2012
3:27 pm
M. Betty — “According to JHM, “dumb fat chunks” are the killers.”
Lies make baby jebus cry.
barking frog
December 18th, 2012
3:28 pm
moonbat betty
Dicks is pulling the BushMaster.
…………………………………..
Yes. a jumpstart to the assault weapons ban if it passes and
a big blow to Bushmaster.
moonbat betty
December 18th, 2012
3:29 pm
Aquagirl,
You just have a dirty mind.
williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:29 pm
“I’d like for you to explain to me how a nonexistent “sympathy law” made a business pull a bunch of rifles off its shelves.”
Because of sympathy, the business pulled a bunch of rifles off its shelves. Liberals in the past use emotional events to create laws although there were existing laws to adjudicate any crimes. This is a guise by the liberals to raise the level of empathy in the eyes of the morons up north, east & west coasts.
Sympathy law is a substitute name for the law that was passed. Like Obamacare. is for the Affordable Healthcare Act. Which makes me laugh–affordable.
JamVet
December 18th, 2012
3:29 pm
wiilie, try not to celebrate too much that they were liberal’s kids who got killed, OK?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 18th, 2012
3:31 pm
Aquagirl — “Dicks is pulling the BushMaster.”
Eye Drops Off Shelf
Air Head Fired
New Bridge Held Up By Red Tape
Farmer Bill Dies In House
Iraqi Head Seeks Arms
moonbat betty
December 18th, 2012
3:31 pm
“Lies make baby jebus cry.”
Not if Elf on the Shelf isn’t looking!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 18th, 2012
3:31 pm
Because of
sympathya public relations nightmare, the business pulled a bunch of rifles off its shelves.williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:32 pm
“wiilie, try not to celebrate too much that they were liberal’s kids who got killed, OK?”
That deserves a punch in the nose! Kids are not liberal or conservative.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 18th, 2012
3:34 pm
williebkind — “Because of sympathy, the business pulled a bunch of rifles off its shelves.”
You said sympathy LAW. You expressed upset because of putative sympathy LAWS.
Did a LAW cause the business to pull the rifles or not? Because if not, then pulling the rifles was a BUSINESS decision.
“Liberals in the past use emotional events to create laws although there were existing laws to adjudicate any crimes. This is a guise by the liberals to raise the level of empathy in the eyes of the morons up north, east & west coasts.”
So what if they did? Where’s the sympathy LAW arising out of last week’s tragedy?
I’ll tell you where — in your imagination, because it doesn’t exist yet. And for all we know today, it might never exist.
“Sympathy law is a substitute name for the law that was passed. Like Obamacare. is for the Affordable Healthcare Act. Which makes me laugh–affordable.”
Do you live alone? Because I think you need some kind of close supervision to keep you from burning your house down by accident or something.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 18th, 2012
3:34 pm
That deserves a punch in the nose! Kids are not liberal or conservative.
Reading comprehension is not your forte, huh?
How many times do CONS have to LOSE to become a LOSER? 0-2? LOSERS
December 18th, 2012
3:34 pm
“One of the more challenging things in life is not being the guy
who does the cheating, but not saying anything about it and
going along with it.”
How many times do CONS have to LOSE to become a LOSER? 0-2? LOSERS
December 18th, 2012
3:41 pm
@williebkind
December 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
“WE WON.”
Not in Ga.
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JARGA……….who cares.
Fiddle dee.
As God is my witness, the South WILL NEVER RISE AGAIN.
JamVet
December 18th, 2012
3:42 pm
willie, though have perfected the act of playing stupid, you can not escape the words from your foul little mouth/keyboard that easily.
I just hope that you never had nor ever will have children.
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
3:45 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War
willie lynch,
You stated that 4 trillion in Obama’s deficits can be attributed to W’s wars? How do you figure that sir? According to the wiki link above Obama’s spending on the 2 wars in 2011 was 159 billion and 130 billion in fy 2009. So for 2 of his 4 years we spent only 289 billion. Assuming we spent roughly the same the other 2 years it would be 588 billion overall. So where does your bullshyte 4 trillion number come from? That’s just B U L L S H Y T E ! Not unexpected of you though.
John Christopher
December 18th, 2012
3:48 pm
Repubs cheating and not Demos! Please, ever heard of Chicago? Walking around money? It works
both ways.
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
3:49 pm
“Considering Reagan almost quadrupled the debt the country had run up in its 200 year history prior to his taking office.”
Cheesy grits,
I’ll take the 1.33 trillion that Reagan added in 8 years over the 6 or 7 trillion that Obama added in 4 years ma’am. I’ll also take the 16 million jobs net from the day he walked in over the few hundred thousand net under Obama. I’ll also take the 7% economic growth we experienced under Reagan over 2% or so under Obama. Any other questions missy?
stands for decibels
December 18th, 2012
3:49 pm
Al Franken won his Senate seat by blatant voter fraud.
Bullsh-t.
Take a look at Minnesota (Al Fra[n]ken)
I have. I watched closely at the time. It’s probably the cleanest, most transparent recount this country’s ever conducted (thanks to a principled bi-partisan commission that oversaw it.)
and I won’t even complain about how Norm Coleman delayed the inevitable through legal appeals, because that was his right and, frankly, he could’ve been even more of a PiTA by taking it to the SCOTUS, and chose not to, ultimately–for which I salute him. Belatedly.
Just Saying..
December 18th, 2012
3:50 pm
“…training a parrot to read and repeat…”
Aquagirl
December 18th, 2012
3:51 pm
willie, though have perfected the act of playing stupid
Act? I wouldn’t jump to conclusions there.
moonbat betty
December 18th, 2012
3:53 pm
It would be cool to have a paintball battle between the posters on this blog:
libs vs. cons
willie lynch
December 18th, 2012
3:55 pm
Thulsa Doom
December 18th, 2012
3:20 pm
No one was arguing Reagan’s jobs record. The point was made concerning Reagan’s role in leading us into debt. Before he took office we were held certain position concerning our debt. When he left office we were in a worse position concerning our debt. That is fact. You chose to talk about Obama and his spending. No one can argue that President Obama has spent money but why did he spend it?
skipper
December 18th, 2012
3:57 pm
It’s official!!
The results are in!
Democrats and Republicans BOTH have been guilty of gerrymandering!!!!!!!!
skipper
December 18th, 2012
3:57 pm
It’s official!!
The results are in!
Democrats and Republicans BOTH have been guilty of gerrymandering!!!!!!!!
How many times do CONS have to LOSE to become a LOSER? 0-2? LOSERS
December 18th, 2012
3:57 pm
@moonbat betty
December 18th, 2012
3:16 pm
Wow, liberals seem a bit “frisky” today.
Must be the sunshine…
or maybe just got through taking a dump.
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I can smell the stench of jealousy and anger from the LOSERS.
Cons – 0 (McCain & Romney) LOSERS
Liberals – 2 (Obama & Obama) WINNERS