GOP concocts imaginative scheme to steal elections

A Republican presidential candidate hasn’t carried Michigan since the first George Bush did it back in 1988, seven election cycles ago. And for the GOP, the future doesn’t look much brighter than the past. In the most recent election, Barack Obama carried the state and its 16 electoral votes by a comfortable margin of 9.5 percentage points.

So what’s a losing party to do? Field a better candidate? Develop a message that voters will find more compelling? Nah. Why do things the hard way when you can “fix” the system to your advantage legislatively?

As Reid Wilson explains in National Journal, Michigan Republicans are preparing to use their control of the state Legislature to change the way in which electoral votes are awarded in their state. Rather than use the traditional winner-take-all system, they propose to award electoral votes by congressional district.

What would that mean in practice? It would mean that in 2012, Obama would have won just seven of Michigan’s 16 electoral votes, even though he carried the state very easily. Mitt Romney would have won nine electoral votes even though he lost his native state convincingly.

How could that be? Because unlike state boundaries, boundaries of congressional districts can be gerrymandered to favor one party over another. In Michigan’s case, its congressional districts have been heavily gerrymandered to maximize GOP power and minimize Democratic power, and if you use those same boundaries to award electoral votes in a presidential race, you get that same distorted outcome.

And as Wilson points out, Michigan is far from the only state where Republicans have control of the legislative process and hope to implement such changes:

Pennsylvania: Obama won the Keystone State by 5 percentage points in 2012. Again, no GOP presidential candidate has carried the state since 1988. But under the altered rules, Pennsylvania would have produced 12 electoral votes for Romney in 2012, leaving only eight for Obama, even though the Democrat carried the state by almost 300,000 votes.

Wisconsin: Republicans haven’t carried Paul Ryan’s home state since 1984, and in 2012 Obama won its 10 electoral votes by a margin of 6.7 percentage points. But under the altered system, Obama would have had to split those 10 electoral votes evenly with the loser.

Florida: Obama has now carried the state twice in a row by narrow margins. But if presidential votes tracked congressional votes, Romney would have won 17 of Florida’s 29 electoral votes under the altered system, leaving only 12 for the candidate who actually won a majority of the state’s votes.

Ohio: Obama carried the state in both 2008 and 2012. But if the rules had been changed and presidential votes tracked congressional votes, he would have won only a third of Ohio’s 18 electoral votes, giving two-thirds to the candidate who lost the state.

Virginia: Obama won the state for the second time in a row in 2012, this time by four percentage points. But under the GOP plan, his likely reward for that victory would have been just five of the state’s 13 electoral college votes.

Under the Constitution, each state has the right to determine how its electoral votes are distributed, which would make it difficult to challenge such changes legally. In fact, Maine and Nebraska already use such a system, although neither state adopted it for partisan purposes.

In addition, the congressional maps in Maine and Nebraska are not heavily gerrymandered, which makes a big difference. In states with gerrymandered maps, such a system might be vulnerable to legal challenge on the grounds that politicians were consciously trying to discount the value of votes cast by certain U.S. citizens while enhancing the value of others.

Because as Wilson reports, the GOP is pretty clear about its intent:

“If you did the calculation, you’d see a massive shift of electoral votes in states that are blue and fully [in] red control,” said one senior Republican taking an active role in pushing the proposal. “There’s no kind of autopsy and outreach that can grab us those electoral votes that quickly.”

The proposals, the senior GOP official said, are likely to come up in each state’s legislative session in 2013. Bills have been drafted, and legislators are talking to party bosses to craft strategy. Saul Anuzis, the former chairman of the Michigan Republican Party, has briefed Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus and Chief of Staff Jeff Larson on his state’s proposal. The proposal “is not being met with the ‘We can’t do that’ answer. It’s being met with ‘I’ve already got a bill started,’ ” the official said.

I particularly admire the cynicism behind the admission that “there’s no kind of autopsy and outreach that can grab us those electoral votes that quickly.” In other words, why try to appeal to more voters or reassess your platform when, by legislative fiat, you can in effect all but steal electoral votes and perhaps the election itself?

The potential implications of such a change would be profound. For example, it would add another layer of incentive for politicians to gerrymander congressional districts. In addition, Ohio and other states would no longer be battleground states; instead, you’d have battleground districts, where political war would be waged intensely while surrounding congressional districts were ignored.

Overall, if the changes in question had been in place in all six states listed above, Romney probably would have won an additional 63 electoral votes. Add that to the 206 votes that he did win, and Romney has 269 votes, creating an electoral college tie with Obama.

That tie in turn would have thrown the race into the House of Representatives, where Republicans hold a narrow majority thanks in part to their success at gerrymandering.

Which means that Romney, having lost the popular vote by almost four percentage points and 4.7 million votes, would today be President-elect Romney.

– Jay Bookman

675 comments Add your comment

ATL Tiger

December 18th, 2012
11:16 am

“GOP concocts imaginative scheme to steal elections”, is it really ’stealing’ if it’s legal and constitutional?

If anything, doesn’t this strengthen the republic form of government?

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
11:16 am

Must make y’all proud to be a Republican…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
11:17 am

If Presidents are named by the EC after losing the popular vote on a repeated basis, democracy ultimately loses.

Jackie

December 18th, 2012
11:19 am

There is no shame in the so-called conservatives game.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
11:20 am

Jay, is there any reason not to eliminate the EC altogether at this point? It’s original purposes have long since past.

Tom

December 18th, 2012
11:22 am

Yet it’s the liberals who continue the fight to prevent any and all safeguards against voter fraud in this country. Why?…because it’s overwhelmingly Democrats that have and will continue to benefit from voter fraud.

Peadawg

December 18th, 2012
11:23 am

How about we just do away w/ the EC all together and go with the popular vote?

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
11:24 am

Oh, pleeeese try to do this Republicans. You’ll join parties like the Free Soil and Greenbacks on the trash heap of history.

Granny Godzilla

December 18th, 2012
11:24 am

Tom

December 18th, 2012
11:22 am
Yet it’s the liberals who continue the fight to prevent any and all safeguards against voter fraud in this country. Why?…because it’s overwhelmingly Democrats that have and will continue to benefit from voter fraud.
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Good Lord…another one who paid no attention at all in the last election cycle.

Georgian

December 18th, 2012
11:27 am

That is cheating to fix a system to work dysfunctionally….it may be legal but it does smell like a cheat!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
11:27 am

Well, here is some pros and cons of just eliminating the EC: http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/INFORMATION/electcollege_procon.php

But that discussion presumes that its current structure will not be tampered with to distort election outcomes with gerrymandering. The GOP attack does offer some twists. Atlanta could send a few EC votes to the Dems.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
11:28 am

Tom, I bet you think ACORN did it in 2012 right? You’ve got that proof, right?

Shaunaerriella

December 18th, 2012
11:28 am

Does that Electoral College have a football team?

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
11:29 am

And, I guess you believe that Romney didn’t garner one single solitary vote in some Philly divisions? Not one single dirty Republican out of 19,600 voters? Or districts in Colorado where more people voted than there are voting-aged people in the district? When there was only about a 60% nationwide turnout?

Yep, gotta watch them Republicans!

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
11:31 am

Must make y’all proud to be a Republican…

December 18th, 2012
11:31 am

Corbin Sharpe @ 11.16 — as one of the $250+K families who will be ‘forced’ to pony up more of our ‘fair’ share I’m for anything to offset your president’s 47%….

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:31 am

Well I guess we should just follow the lead of the democrats and just outright lie and cheat. I wonder why anyone should oppose having an ID to vote, unless they intent to cheat the system. The left has opposed and ID to vote forever, gee I wonder why…

things that make you go hmmmm

December 18th, 2012
11:31 am

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:32 am

Or districts in Colorado where more people voted than there are voting-aged people in the district? When there was only about a 60% nationwide turnout?”

Right. I’m sure that happened. I’m equally sure that all those extra voters traveled to the voting booth riding unicorns. Just a hint: If you use absurd “facts” to support your argument, you make your whole argument look absurd.

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:32 am

If you pay taxes all your life, why does the government deserve 45% of it when you die, isn’t that double taxation?

Rafe Hollister

December 18th, 2012
11:32 am

As a conservative, I’m for one person/one vote and think this is the wrong way to go. We need the EC, but this is just poorly thought out tinkering. It is not however, “stealing elections”, because as you state above, under the Constitution, each state has the right to say how its EC votes are determined. Stealing suggests illegal activity is involved. Would the Dems do the same thing if they had the chance, sure, look at how Roy Barnes drew up his districts to maximize the Dem vote in 2000. An advantage for one party today, often turns around and bites that party later, when the other side is in control.

Class of '98

December 18th, 2012
11:33 am

We’ve gotten to the point of “win by any means necessary” by both sides. Al Franken won his Senate seat by blatant voter fraud. If either Republicans or Democrats think their side plays fair while the other cheats, they are extremely naive.

It is very sad. And yet another reason not to put faith in government.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:34 am

“The GOP attack does offer some twists. Atlanta could send a few EC votes to the Dems.”

Well, it might, except for the fact that the GOP has no intention whatsoever of implementing such a system anywhere except where it would give them an unfair advantage.

But I’m sure you knew that. :>)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
11:34 am

I wonder why anyone should oppose having an ID to vote, unless they intent to cheat the system.

How much are you willing to spend, on a per head basis, to develop and distribute this national ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the problem of illegal aliens?

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
11:34 am

And that Church of brotherly Love, Westboro, is at it again, but got hacked… :)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/12/17/anonymous_hacks_westboro_baptist_church_over_sandy_hook_picket_is_there.html

Sorry for the off topics Jay, but GOP cheating is old news…

Moon Mullins

December 18th, 2012
11:35 am

A piece meal approach to a system that has been in place since the beginning — a short-cut to solving the problem of idiots saying stupid things and losing elections.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
11:35 am

And, I guess you believe that Romney didn’t garner one single solitary vote in some Philly divisions?

When that division only has 12 registered Republicans, yes. Did you have any other stupid questions?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548626/romney-earned-zero-votes-in-some-urban-precincts/

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
11:35 am

And, I guess you believe that Romney didn’t garner one single solitary vote in some Philly divisions?

please read.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/14/ignoring-history-foxs-hannity-claims-voter-frau/191370

you’re welcome.

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:36 am

There were people on facebook.com bragging about how many times they voted, and in deferent states, funny how they all voted democrat… gee makes you wonder, if you are a logical thinker…

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
11:36 am

Must make y’all proud to be a Republican…

December 18th, 2012
11:31 am

Then you admit you’re a cheat?

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
11:37 am

Hey sfd…Jinx! :)

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
11:37 am

The GOP is in Full Scale Implosion Mode.

God be praised.

This scheme will not help them to the extent that they desperately need help.

A party-wide intervention is necessary now. A moral and intellectual one.

But who will be their champion that will reverse their swirling down the national toilet?

Tweren’t Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

They are going to have to learn the hard way.

And I am glad to do my part in helping them…

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
11:38 am

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:32 am

Or districts in Colorado where more people voted than there are voting-aged people in the district? When there was only about a 60% nationwide turnout?”

Right. I’m sure that happened. I’m equally sure that all those extra voters traveled to the voting booth riding unicorns. Just a hint: If you use absurd “facts” to support your argument, you make your whole argument look absurd.

As absurd as it seems, Counties such as Gilpin and Hinsdale have 110 percent of their populations registered to vote. Gilpin County has a total population of 5,441 with 17.4% of the population below the voting age, making the highest possible number of registered voters 4,494. Currently Gilpin County has 4909 registered voters. Hinsdale County has a total population of 830 with 20% of the population below the voting age, making the highest possible number of registered voters 664. At 110 percent registration, that means that there are 515 excess voter registrations in Gilpin county and 68 excess registrations for Hinsdale.

But, as usual, believe what you like…

James

December 18th, 2012
11:38 am

Interesting that you bitch about this now when you’ve previously advocated moving toward a popular vote election, which this is is more akin to than the Electoral College. I guess that’s called having situational opinions – only when something suits your desired end-result.

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:38 am

Nebraska and Maine are the only states that allow their votes to be split. All the other states and DC use the winner takes all system.
(In Maine and Nebraska, only 2 electoral votes go to the candidate with the most popular votes of each state. Each additional electoral vote goes to the candidate with the most popular votes in each congressional district.)

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:38 am

“How about we just do away w/ the EC all together and go with the popular vote?”

That would require a constitutional amendment, which would require a two-thirds vote of both the Senate and House. And in the Senate, there’s no chance of that because the electoral college gives smaller states disproportionate influence over the election of presidents, and small-state senators would never support that.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
11:39 am

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:36 am

Yeah, and since it was on facebook, it must be true. I see why you’re a Republican…you’re very gullible…

Welcome to the Occupation

December 18th, 2012
11:39 am

Republicans bad. (Implied: Democrats good.)

Reading this blog is starting to seem a lot like watching MSNBC.

the cat

December 18th, 2012
11:39 am

obiwan-and if it is on the internets and facebook it must be true. bon jour

the cat

December 18th, 2012
11:40 am

corbin-jinx!

Crazy Peeps

December 18th, 2012
11:40 am

I’m in favor of proportional allocation of state delegates. Make every vote more relevant.

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
11:40 am

There were people on facebook.com bragging about how many times they voted…

So?

That’s nothing.

There are rubes on Bookman’s blog who actually believe them.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:40 am

“Interesting that you bitch about this now when you’ve previously advocated moving toward a popular vote election, which this is is more akin to than the Electoral College. I guess that’s called having situational opinions – only when something suits your desired end-result.

No, this is actually moving another step AWAY from the popular vote and toward a more intense version of the electoral college. As I note in the end, it would have produced a President Romney even though he lost the popular vote by more than 4 million ballots.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
11:41 am

Jay, yep I am sure that they only will act in the key states. But then again, it may be time to address this at a federal level to be sure that it is all consistent. I mean, certainly them GOPpers here would now be for making some votes more important than others….. that’s just not ‘merican.

KEITH

December 18th, 2012
11:41 am

ACORN, unions, and other groups famous for election fraud all support Democrats. Once again bookman shows utter lack of credibility with this nonsense.

Moon Mullins

December 18th, 2012
11:42 am

Idiots for candidates! If we had a way of calculating the miles these idiots walked back and back tracked after making stupid statements during the last election cycle, I bet it would equal a round trip to the moon.

Ol'

December 18th, 2012
11:42 am

Enter your comments here

Crazy Peeps

December 18th, 2012
11:43 am

“n addition, Ohio and other states would no longer be battleground states”

thanks be to heaven if that happens

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:43 am

Albany, you’re being played for a sucker by the right-wing outlets selling you that BS.

Class of '98

December 18th, 2012
11:44 am

This is off-topic, but it is curious that (in some states) we need valid I.D. to rent a library book or buy a beer, but not to vote.

Even morally and intellectually superior liberals should see the incongruity in that.

It’s also interesting that only democrats are concerned that their voter base is too dumb/lazy/worthless to go through the trouble of acquiring a state-issued identification.

guy

December 18th, 2012
11:44 am

All I can say is writing about things like this prove a person doesn’t have much to do with their time. Waste of time! No more comments! Good day to all!!!!

Lynnie Gal

December 18th, 2012
11:44 am

Another compelling reason to nationalize federal elections standards. The GOP will stop at nothing to try to win despite the fact that most Americans disagree with them. Democracy really doesn’t matter much to a Republican. It’s winning by any means that matters most.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
11:44 am

Why is it that the people b!tching about dishonesty are always shamelessly plagiarizing?

Are they ashamed they can’t string together words and make their own phrases? Did they not learn representing someone else’s work as your own is stealing?

We should restrict their access to guns because something is clearly wrong in their heads.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
11:45 am

This is off-topic, but it is curious that (in some states) we need valid I.D. to rent a library book or buy a beer, but not to vote.

Same question to you: How much are you willing to spend, on a per head basis, to develop and distribute this national ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the problem of illegal aliens?

KEITH

December 18th, 2012
11:46 am

Whats funny is how each election cycles one side or the other claims the other side is finished. 2 years ago Democrats were done, this year its the GOP. In 2 years it will be Democrats again. I dont see obama doing anything that will compel the people to vote for his party in 2 years. With obamacare fully implemented unemployment will go up along with healthcare costs. Doctors will continue to drop medicare patients and obama will be to blame.

Richard

December 18th, 2012
11:46 am

Actually, I like the change to awarding electoral votes by district. It would force candidates to campain everywhere rather than focus on only Florida and Ohio.

Gerrymandering is the problem. If we could trust the states not to hijack the elections, I’d approve of the change.

Ol' Timer

December 18th, 2012
11:46 am

@KEITH — Can you tell me the last time the candidate with the most popular votes lost the election?

Do you remember the last time the SCOTUS got involved in a presidential election?

And, do you remember which party was involved in this miscarriage? Was ACORN? Labor Unions? Democrats?

KEITH

December 18th, 2012
11:47 am

obama will never allow required ID for voting nationally. His party is too dependant on fraudulant voters.

OBIWAN

December 18th, 2012
11:48 am

South Atlanta has been voting democrat forever, yet they are still impoverished. Do any of you democrats understand the definition of stupid? If you keep doing the same thing and expecting different results, you are stupid….they must like to be “enslaved” to the Democratic Party… MLK must be rolling over in his grave; did you all forget he was a registered republican? Oh yeah and the democrats tried to filibuster the civil right amendment so why would any person of color EVER vote democrat? What do they say, that those who don’t know history are bound to repeat it.

Class of '98

December 18th, 2012
11:48 am

“Same question to you: How much are you willing to spend, on a per head basis, to develop and distribute this national ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the problem of illegal aliens?”

Answer: As much as we squandered on Solyndra, if necessary. And why do illegal aliens need I.D.s?

Looney Bin

December 18th, 2012
11:49 am

I know I’ll regret this, but…

Keith – please enlighten me as to some “other groups famous for election fraud” that support Democrats.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
11:50 am

Down in Albany

I’m sure you could find the state of Colorado’s official voting results and post it, right?

I’m sure you obtained your info directly from the source (state of Colorado) or the direct source was linked in the article you read, right?

Thanks in advance for posting the information.

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
11:50 am

Jay

December 18th, 2012
11:43 am

Albany, you’re being played for a sucker by the right-wing outlets selling you that BS.

right-wing outlets = reports that do not match up with the liberal talking points.
disagree with libs = BS

KEITH

December 18th, 2012
11:50 am

I dont recall any fraud from the Bush side. It was all about ACORN,unions.

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
11:50 am

“If we could trust the states not to hijack the elections, I’d approve of the change”

The EC would more closely mimic the popular vote if they were awarded by each state on the stricktly proportional basis as per the popular vote in that state.

Don Abernethy

December 18th, 2012
11:51 am

Bookman is a a hired gun for the Obama administration. No one remembers Acorn???

Tundra Dude

December 18th, 2012
11:52 am

When that division only has 12 registered Republicans, yes. Did you have any other stupid questions?

So it should be EZ to track them down,,,,ask if they actually voted…

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
11:53 am

“It was all about ACORN,unions”

Except you don’t recall any fraud from them either. Just the lies that were told about them

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
11:54 am

Don Abernethy

December 18th, 2012
11:51 am

Bookman is a a hired gun for the Obama administration. No one remembers Acorn???

Nope. That’s their story and they are sticking with it.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 18th, 2012
11:55 am

Bookman is a a hired gun for the Obama administration. No one remembers Acorn???

If you are worried about ACORN, then you are probably a rube and not able to be brought around either way. So, next topic.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
11:56 am

Down in Albany

Post you info…………. Let’s see it

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
11:57 am

C. of ‘98 — “Answer: As much as we squandered on Solyndra, if necessary.”

FAIL. Please answer the question with the per-head amount, as asked.

“And why do illegal aliens need I.D.s?”

Read the question more closely. Nobody *said* such a thing; merely that the ID could be used to address the *problem* of illegal aliens.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
11:58 am

Answer: As much as we squandered on Solyndra, if necessary.

$535 million?

Lets see — &535,000,000 divided by 314,069,100 = $1.70 apiece.

There’s your sign.

curious

December 18th, 2012
11:59 am

Whatever method is used to allocate EC votes should be uniform throughout the Country.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:00 pm

“Or districts in Colorado where more people voted than there are voting-aged people in the district?”

Gilpin County is one of the districts mentioned by Albany in which “more people voted than there are voting-aged people in the district.” A quick factcheck reveals:

In July 2011, Gilpin County’s population was 5,471. If 17.4 percent of its population is below voting age, that means 4,515 people in Gilpin County are of voting age.
Source: https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=kf7tgg1uo9ude_&met_y=population&idim=county:08047&dl=en&hl=en&q=gilpin%20county%20population.

In Gilpin County, 3,271 ballots were cast in the 2012 presidential election.
Source: http://data.denverpost.com/election/results/county/gilpin/2012/

My math says that 3,271 is less than 4,515. In fact, my math says the turnout of 3,271 is just 72.4 percent of Gilpin’s voting-age population. I’m curious: What does your “unskewed” math say, Albany?

Seriously, people. Do you just enthusiastically swallow even the silliest, most absurd factoids as long as it might in some way bolster your own preconceived bias?

Do you lack critical thinking skills altogether? Do you just shut off your BS detectors as long as you’re hearing what you want to hear?

I find that amazing and depressing.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2012
12:01 pm

right-wing outlets = reports that do not match up with the liberal talking points.

Yeah, we should trust the judgement of a guy who can only cut ‘n paste talking points verbatim. That’s the sign of a real thinker.

I anxiously await more of your very insightful baaaa’s. It saves me the trouble of wading through Redstate.com and other such swamps, or training a parrot to read and repeat that junk.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 18th, 2012
12:01 pm

FAIL. Please answer the question with the per-head amount, as asked.

Yeah, like that’s ever gonna happen. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Trolls Bane

December 18th, 2012
12:02 pm

If the republican party succeeds, they will have insured the control over state and national government even in the face of popular approval.

This is done by drawing district lines in such a way as to concentrate democratic voters in a handful of districts, and spreading the remainder in “safe” republican districts. The net effect is to solidify republican power. Then the real election happens in the republican primary to see who is the most hard-line and reactionary.

This raises the possiblity of a “one party” rule, similar to china / russia / germany in the bad old days.

aps

December 18th, 2012
12:02 pm

Jay, Would it be possible just one time in 2013 to write an article without a right bashing slant?Something for ALL the people to have a conversation about that would be a benefit to the community without having to take sides.

curious

December 18th, 2012
12:04 pm

Jay,

You should begin banning some of your posters simply because they lack the ability to discuss anything without insults or spouting propoganda espoused by some group, right or left.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:04 pm

I’ll be interested to see if Albany steps up here ….

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:05 pm

Albany

Figured I would help you out. Now match up the official results with the bs you willfully bought into.

Gilpin Cty

http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/CO/Gilpin/43058/113805/en/summary.html

Hinsdale
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/CO/Hinsdale/43061/113808/en/summary.html

To say your “facts” do not add up at all would be an understatement.

Whoever fed you that garbage must be a great salesman?

Mr. Snarky

December 18th, 2012
12:05 pm

The GOP dreaming up schemes to win elections despite not having a majority of votes…I’m Shocked!

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:05 pm

Jay

You beat me to it.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:07 pm

K’Chak — “Yeah, like that’s ever gonna happen.”

Considering that they can’t even admit that the ONLY coherent ideas for securing our voting system and labor markets on this blog have come from liberals, I suspect you’re right.

They blather all day long about how we’re supposedly against voter IDs, but then when we ask them to put up or shut up, they offer a buck-seventy per head. Pa-freakin’-THETIC.

bookman parrot

December 18th, 2012
12:07 pm

when the libs do it, it is smart and wonderful

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
12:07 pm

I won’t keep you people waiting. I was wrong. There, I said it. I hope that in some small way, I have helped brighten someone’s day by admitting that.

RF

December 18th, 2012
12:08 pm

When all else fails, gerrymander some districts and you have yourself a winner…

This, from the party that prides itself on being built on the Constitution and the Bible…well, at least the 2nd amendment anyway, and a few verses beyond Leviticus.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:09 pm

Down

Cool. Do you mind posting telling us where you read or heard that information from?

DownInAlbany

December 18th, 2012
12:09 pm

I won’t keep you waiting any longer. I was obviously wrong. There, I said it. I hope my admission helps to brighten your day! You win!

kimmer

December 18th, 2012
12:09 pm

Oh please stop implying that the democrats NEVER gerrymander anything. Look, the GOP won these statehouses so what you say they are proposing, which has not happened yet, is completely within their authority. Its not stealing anything. They also must live with the potential backlash if they PO the electorate such that they pay for it at the ballot box much like the event that propelled the GOP to win all these statehouses in the first place. That being Obama’s end-run, shady back room dealing, win-at-all-cost approach to pass Obamacare. Doing stuff like that has consequences for both parties.

appleseed

December 18th, 2012
12:09 pm

Now is the time to do away with the EC and Presidential term limits.If term limits can’t be through out the system starting with the states through the Feds.then why the president?Obama 2016..

Nunna Yobinnes

December 18th, 2012
12:10 pm

Aquagirl – the distinguished VP Biden is well known for his plagiarizing profundity.

Richard Bagge

December 18th, 2012
12:12 pm

I’m all for everybody having a valid photo ID. Everybody. But then again, I live literally in the neighborhood across the street from one of about eight driver’s license bureaus in Cobb County that is open six days a week and always has a line. There are hundreds of thousands of people in south Georgia, south Alabama, most of Mississippi who don’t drive, and who live as many as a hundred miles from the nearest place to get a government ID, and which may not have hours in any way convenient to people, or Saturday morning windows. I have a birth certificate and I can walk the twenty minutes to get there when they open; the cost to me is negligible. I have no excuse for not having an ID, therefore I do.

It’s simple suburban misunderstanding that fuels the right-wing distaste for our concerns about voter ID. We’re spoiled by the burbs. Put yourself in the shoes of a farmer in Baker or Colquitt County who doesn’t drive and doesn’t have a birth certificate. Look into how much of a burden it is to get that ID. If Nathan Deal and our legislature and senate would spend the money to open bureaus, drop the cost of getting a birth certificate (WHY does it cost that much?!), and make every reasonably conceivable effort to put a valid ID in every citizen’s hands, then any Democrat in Georgia left complaining about it will get a raspberry from me. Y’all allocate the money to truly make it as close to no-cost as possible, and anybody who doesn’t take advantage of it loses my sympathy. Everybody wins!

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
12:12 pm

“Jay, Would it be possible just one time in 2013 to write an article without a right bashing slant”

blogspot.com is ready when you are

Jay

December 18th, 2012
12:13 pm

Convincing you that you’re wrong in this one particular instance isn’t important, Albany. What’s important is convincing people in general not to believe and repeat patently ridiculous stuff like that without first trying to check it out.

THAT’s what’s important.

They BOTH suck

December 18th, 2012
12:14 pm

Down in Albany

Don’t feel bad. td played made crazy assertions about the OH results a week or so ago. He also was thwarted with the facts from the state of OH official results.

Maybe you guys get your information from the same outlets

larry

December 18th, 2012
12:14 pm

Yeah, but what if it works in reverse?

If every state adopted this , would have Romney lost some electoral votes, And obama gain some votes?

I wonder what the final EC vote would have been if every state adopted this. Obama would have gained some Georgia EC votes , at least six or seven.

willie lynch

December 18th, 2012
12:14 pm

Jay, as you’ve stated, the most salient point here is the lack of imagination on the part of Republicans in crafting an inclusive agenda. This dismantles all the talk they (Jindal, Rubio, Christie) put forth since the election. Their party obviously has no desire to win on platform they want to win no matter what.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 18th, 2012
12:14 pm

Kimmer — “Oh please stop implying that the democrats NEVER gerrymander anything.”

Pointing out that Republicans gerrymander is not in any way an implication that Democrats don’t do it.

FWIW, your defense sounds to me more like sour grapes than anything else, e.g. you got caught but Democrats didn’t and so you’re looking to even the score. Frankly, that’s some crap my kid brother would have pulled back when we were both still in short pants. It’s not the kind of thing that has a place in an adult political conversation.