Will our anger be buried alongside Newtown’s dead?
A flag flies at half mast on a dark, wintry night in Newtown, Conn. This week, the townspeople will bury their dead, including the bodies of 20 young first-graders murdered by an assailant who broke into their school. Coffin manufacturers have donated the 20 small caskets that will be needed in the burials. (AP)
The Bushmaster .223, the weapon used by Adam Lanza to kill 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Each victim had been shot three to 11 times, according to the coroner's report. Lanza is reported to have brought multiple 30-round magazines to the school, and at the time of his death at his own hand still possessed hundreds of rounds of ammunition.
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Robbie Parker, the father of six-year-old Emilie, has had to explain her death to her two siblings, ages 3 and 4. "They seem to get the fact that they have somebody they're going to miss very much," he said.
An excerpt from President Barack Obama’s message to Newtown and the nation, delivered at a prayer vigil Sunday night (entire text available here):
“Someone once described the joy and anxiety of parenthood as the equivalent of having your heart outside of your body all the time, walking around. With their very first cry, this most precious, vital part of ourselves — our child — is suddenly exposed to the world, to possible mishap or malice. And every parent knows there is nothing we will not do to shield our children from harm.
And yet, we also know that with that child’s very first step, and each step after that, they are separating from us; that we won’t — that we can’t always be there for them. They’ll suffer sickness and setbacks and broken hearts and disappointments. And we learn that our most important job is to give them what they need to become self-reliant and capable and resilient, ready to face the world without fear.
And we know we can’t do this by ourselves. It comes as a shock at a certain point where you realize, no matter how much you love these kids, you can’t do it by yourself. That this job of keeping our children safe, and teaching them well, is something we can only do together, with the help of friends and neighbors, the help of a community, and the help of a nation. And in that way, we come to realize that we bear a responsibility for every child because we’re counting on everybody else to help look after ours; that we’re all parents; that they’re all our children.
This is our first task — caring for our children. It’s our first job. If we don’t get that right, we don’t get anything right. That’s how, as a society, we will be judged.
And by that measure, can we truly say, as a nation, that we are meeting our obligations? Can we honestly say that we’re doing enough to keep our children — all of them — safe from harm? Can we claim, as a nation, that we’re all together there, letting them know that they are loved, and teaching them to love in return? Can we say that we’re truly doing enough to give all the children of this country the chance they deserve to live out their lives in happiness and with purpose?”
I’ve been reflecting on this the last few days, and if we’re honest with ourselves, the answer is no.”
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The answer is no.
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– Jay Bookman
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indigo
December 17th, 2012
2:28 pm
Doggone/GA – 1:26
I was waiting for the peanut gallery to show up.
I must have missed where Jay appointed you to instruct us as how to act here.
Regnad Kcin
December 17th, 2012
2:29 pm
The inter-republican culture wars are on! Representatives are talking compromise on taxes and gun control. Will the republicans create a “sane” wing? Grab some popcorn and watch the carnage.
moonbat betty
December 17th, 2012
2:30 pm
I’m sure this has probably been said too many times on the blogs here the last couple of days, but hopefully this event will make more people aware and responsible for how they raise their children.
Outlawing guns isn’t going to save lives overall in society.
It’s primarily a societal issue, not a gun issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH2efAcmBQM
Blaming dems or cons isn’t going to solve anything. This is an issue that must be addressed by each and everyone of us.
Take responsibility!
JC
December 17th, 2012
2:30 pm
“Whatever, there is no constitutional right to possess a Bushmaster.”
Maybe I’m missing something, but where in the second amendment does it govern the type of arms that you have the right to bear? Why stop at a Bushmaster? Just because it looks meaner and has a high capacity clip? Weak argument.
getalife
December 17th, 2012
2:30 pm
I heard Liberman come out against gun control and we can use the funds used for the cowardly cons scared to death of aq to protecting our children at school.
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
2:30 pm
moonbat betty 2:28
did you miss the Dr. Phil solution ?
Randy
December 17th, 2012
2:32 pm
First let me say that I am not a gun owner, but I have been considering changing that now for some time. Let me also say that I have no fear of weapons, I grew up in the country and they were always around…but of the hunting variety. Ft. Bragg taught me the use of every weapon from a knife to a tank, so I have no fear of guns or actually any weapons. However, I chose not to be an owner for many years because I have personally believed that most people are frankly too damn (sorry) dumb to have a gun and I did not see that much violence around me and my family.
However the nightly news has changed that for me. Every video clip of another convenience store robbery, every article about an innocent lady or child being abducted, robbed, raped, and killed, the constant horrors of gang violence and drive by shootings has moved me toward owning defensive weapons. I’m sick of seeing atrocities carried out by people every weekend, if not every night, that lack the fundamental element that makes someone a human being…namely a soul, a conscience, a heart. It is too much and the police are outgunned. They can’t protect the people. They can’t protect my children.
So before I join in wanting gun control or even bans (and I could still be swayed), my questions for everyone are these:
…who is going to remove the guns from the Bloods, the Crips, 30 Deep, the Hispanic gangs and all of those people who go shopping with a gun every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday in metro Atlanta, Chicago, DC (where they have strong gun control laws), etc.? How are you going to take their guns?
…who is going to finally convince those naive, well-meaning people who lobby to get monsters released on to the streets, just to rob and kill again because they were “victims too”. Who is going to finally convince them that for the good of all a lot of the prison bars need to be welded shut. How do you convince them?
…who is going to show me that my children are safe and not going to be victims of rape, murder, and other unspeakable atrocities, just because they were in the wrong parking lot, at the wrong time, driving a vehicle that some thug saw and liked and pulled out his illegally purchased gun to take from them…and maybe have a little “fun” too? Show me?
It is a reality that what happened in Newtown, Columbine, the movie theater in Colorado, and so many others were so senseless, so horrible, tragic, and brought tears from my eyes too…but what about the video clips every night on the news where thugs are robbing a convenience store, threatening, pistol whipping, and sometimes murdering some poor store clerk just trying to earn a living? How are you going to stop the common criminal who preys on society and always will?
Before you think about disarming the rest of us, explain how you are going to disarm those monsters…and I will be delighted to help you as you go around letting them so willingly drop their Glocks in your collection bins.
indigo
December 17th, 2012
2:32 pm
Joe – 1:33
That comment shows you know absolutely nothing about how our soldiers and Marines are trained.
Regnad Kcin
December 17th, 2012
2:32 pm
” where in the second amendment does it govern the type of arms that you have the right to bear?”
JC – Am I guaranteed the right to anthrax? Are you saying there are NO limits to the arms I have a right to bear?
Doggone/GA
December 17th, 2012
2:33 pm
“I must have missed where Jay appointed you to instruct us as how to act here”
Another poster with a broken scroll wheel
getalife
December 17th, 2012
2:33 pm
Lieberman for gun control. My bad.
He chairs the Homeland security so he can allow funds to be allocated to protect the children at school instead of the con cowards and aq.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
2:34 pm
That comment shows you know absolutely nothing about how our soldiers and Marines are trained.
Ruh, roh.
indigo
December 17th, 2012
2:34 pm
barking frog – 2:30
Would the Dr. Phil solution make those inmates at Guantanamo talk?
It would me.
I’d rather be water-boarded than listen day after day to him.
td
December 17th, 2012
2:35 pm
Can you progressives tell us which “NRA” leader made the following statement:
”Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
Welcome to the Occupation
December 17th, 2012
2:35 pm
too little time: “No. The reason we don’t hear is because it is Chicago, ILL, home of some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the country. If gun restriction could work, it would work in Chicago. The media doesn’t want you to hear about Chicago’s gun problem. If the left were correct, Chicago’s gun laws should be the gun nirvana that America is looking
This is the typical right wing consolation. Crisis? What crisis? All we have to do is listen for what the “left” says we ought to do, then ignore that, and then we’ll be fine. Whatever appeared to be a crisis can then be safety ignored. Can’t be too big a deal since the people making a stink can just be dismissed as a bunch of hysterical “leftists”.
Meanwhile, all we ever hear from you in the way of a proposal is: sorry, $$it happens. What do you expect? It’s a fallen world. Take it up with god.
TaxPayer
December 17th, 2012
2:36 pm
Would conservatives in a less violent society be so obsessed with the size and speed of their guns or would there simply be fewer conservatives.
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
2:36 pm
gm:
Thats your opinion and my opinion is that your opinion is stupid.
getalife
December 17th, 2012
2:37 pm
The gop solution is more guns at elementary schools.
I repeat, elementary schools.
That is their knee jerk reaction.
Michael
December 17th, 2012
2:37 pm
A couple posts touched on some steps toward a solution. I agree completely with Newkid that some insurance for guns should be required. If the shooter had driven a car into the school and killed some children, each family would have received compensation and would not have had any expenses in connection with medical or funeral costs. The same should apply to the victim of a shooting.
Another poster indicated that the NRA compensates the families of police officers killed by gunmen. The NRA should offer the same compensation to any unarmed victim of a shooter. If they don’t have the money available, then they and the gun manufacturers, gun dealers, and gun users will have to start paying something annually for the privilege to have some fun with a gun.
I say the NRA should start this, as they are the primary advocate for the unrestrained use of assault weapons. If they contribute to this risk, they should bear the cost of this risk.
This seems like a MADD moment to me. If the campaign to limit drunk drivers could reduce fatalities caused by drunk drivers by 50%, then a campaign to reduce fatalities caused by firearms could also achieve significant results.
JC
December 17th, 2012
2:38 pm
“JC – Am I guaranteed the right to anthrax? Are you saying there are NO limits to the arms I have a right to bear?”
No. Way to sensationalize my point. I’m saying that the idea of banning one gun or one type of gun isn’t going to solve anything. Any consideration to do so is naive and a waste of time and money.
too little time
December 17th, 2012
2:39 pm
too little time
also too little homework, the chicago ban was overturned.
keep the hell up.
Sorry , Granny, but your addled brain has got the best of you. Removing the IL ban doesn’t go into affect for another 160 odd-days.
deegee
December 17th, 2012
2:40 pm
I think that sociopaths like the recent ones who have slaughtered innocents have a parent, a sibling, or an acquaintance who would not want to be alone with that person knowing that they were armed with a gun.
DownInAlbany
December 17th, 2012
2:40 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
2:24 pm
Automatic weapons are already banned.
Not intended to be a factual statement
What is not factual regarding this statement?
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
2:40 pm
“Would liberals in a less secular society be so obsessed with the gender of man, woman or beast or would there simply be fewer liberals.
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
2:41 pm
indigo
I’d rather be water-boarded than listen day after day to him.
…………
I’d rather pierce my eye with a sharp stick than listen daily to him.
TaxPayer
December 17th, 2012
2:41 pm
The National Rifle Association has scaled down its social media presence in the wake of the tragic school shooting in Newton, Conn.
Now there’s cowardly for you. The NRA cannot even stand up and defend their principles when the going gets tough.
DownInAlbany
December 17th, 2012
2:42 pm
Never mind, thug. I guess I understand your logic. Autos are not banned, but, let’s agree that they are highly regulated to say the least.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
2:43 pm
What is not factual regarding this statement?
Fully automatic weapons are available to those with the proper license, they are not as you stated, “banned.”
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
2:43 pm
So Kyle just started a thread on the shootings about an hour and a half ago
JHM, I saw it. Sad, really–I guess I expected a bit better of him.
I thought about replying but I couldn’t think of anything positive to say, after reading a ridiculous pull-quote he’d added from some turd at National Review.
moonbat betty
December 17th, 2012
2:44 pm
Frog 2:30
Sounds like one of the better solutions put out there.
Too bad people who commit these atrocities would not just go ahead and kill themselves first, but they would rather have a “rep” or solidify their “street cred” before they check out.
Sad and unfortunately, the only way I can see to curb this kind of attitude has to begin at a early age and continue through the teenage years.
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
2:44 pm
Now the president said he was going to do everything in his power to stop events like in CT from happening. What can he do without making law abiding citizens criminals? Is that what you liberals want sympathy laws to incriminated those who believe in tradition and family values? I think so!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
2:45 pm
Never mind, thug. I guess I understand your logic.
Facts are logical.
You are now just trying to walk back your erroneous comment.
getalife
December 17th, 2012
2:45 pm
The new way the Marines are trained is they have to be tested for alcohol before the training.
Now, I know you cons want them to pee in a cup but lets not get carried away.
Stoners rule Call of Duty.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 17th, 2012
2:46 pm
Indigo — “Joe – 1:33 That comment shows you know absolutely nothing about how our soldiers and Marines are trained.”
As a disabled Army veteran myself, I’d like to say that you’re talking out your hind end here.
I completed two MOS training tracks during my time in the Army and not once in either of them — or in boot camp — did we deal with the question of how to manage a situation such as was faced in Newtown.
td
December 17th, 2012
2:46 pm
This is from the great gun control advocate: Kind of sounds like some of the same points I have read the last two days by the progressives on this blog:
“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”
Adolph Hitler
Doggone/GA
December 17th, 2012
2:47 pm
“Fully automatic weapons are available to those with the proper license, they are not as you stated, “banned.””
Just about anything is available with the proper “license” Heck, you can even get anthrax if you have a properly accredited lab, with the neccessary safeguards, and a valid research reason.
TaxPayer
December 17th, 2012
2:49 pm
“Would liberals in a less secular society be so obsessed with the gender of man, woman or beast or would there simply be fewer liberals.
Does that “less secular society” involve more Catholic priests and choir boys and more cons running for office in Georgia that have an affection for four-legged beasts, etc. You can have it, willie.
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
2:49 pm
“Now there’s cowardly for you. The NRA cannot even stand up and defend their principles when the going gets tough.”
Unlike liberals maybe the NRA is giving the families time. Then my donations to the NRA will go to work.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
2:49 pm
Confiscation. Confiscation. That’s what’s going to be necessary. And that’s just for starters.
And who said noone is calling for unreasonable gun laws?
Granny Godzilla
December 17th, 2012
2:49 pm
too little time
are you prattling on about the hand gun ban or the concealed carry ban?
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
2:50 pm
It is amazing a liberal calling someone coward. I cannot remember that many liberals in the military. Now that is cowardice.
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
2:50 pm
What’s sad is that Rude Pundit, like Kyle, decided to take some time before reacting directly to this tragedy. What Rude Pundit has posted is far more thoughtful and filled with life’s lessons.
and I hasten to add, he isn’t paid a dime for his scrawlings (other than what readers happen to put in his tip jar, and what miniscule dough he gets from google ads.)
I’ll just quote the last graf which, like the rest of it, is surprisingly profanity-free.
When I had that gun pointed in my face all those years ago, I didn’t think, “Damn, I wish I had a gun, too.” I didn’t think, “Damn, I wish someone else with a gun would come along and save me.” I thought, “Damn, I wish he didn’t have a gun.”
As have many children and adults alike.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
2:51 pm
as they [NRA]are the primary advocate for the unrestrained use of assault weapons.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
2:52 pm
godless @ 2:49
That post you replied to was surely way out there, however that hasn’t been the overall sentiment in the last few days. Over reactions are nothing new from a percentage on all sides…….
newkid
December 17th, 2012
2:52 pm
FBI said: “We have had the right to own guns in this country since it’s founding. This kind of horrible violence has come about in the last decade or so.”
Sorry, but not quite true FBI. Go back and read the unedited and sordid history of the settler’s displacement of the native people from ‘desirable’ land here in north America in the 19th century. Reading about some of the things that were done (often in the actual words of those who conducted the acts) to women and children in some of those villages will turn your stomach inside out. More often than not these weren’t acts committed by folks with questionable mental capacities.
Regnad Kcin
December 17th, 2012
2:52 pm
“I’m saying that the idea of banning one gun or one type of gun isn’t going to solve anything. Any consideration to do so is naive and a waste of time and money”
How about an anthrax gun? Can I bear that?
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
2:53 pm
And, I gotta say, Rude makes a whole lotta sense with this:
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“I would argue with the violence in Hollywood and in video games part since whenever we start to walk down this road, we turn those into easy scapegoats rather than blame a broken mental health system and a paucity of limitations on gun ownership.
“And as far as cultural influences, I would say that a nation that sanctions capital punishment, use of extreme force by the police in many situations that don’t call for it, and the murder of people overseas by drones is a nation that has stated, in a quite official way, that violence is the answer to one’s problems. I would say that as far as unintended effects go, those things have done more damage to the American psyche than all the versions of Grand Theft Auto we could play.
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
2:53 pm
godless heathen
And who said noone is calling for unreasonable gun laws?
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I will say that if you don’t get them all you should leave them alone.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 17th, 2012
2:54 pm
Does anybody know why the people in Cuba don’t just leave? Think about it…
Because they’re too poor to afford the airfare?
Regnad Kcin
December 17th, 2012
2:54 pm
“indigo
I’d rather be water-boarded than listen day after day to him.
…………
I’d rather pierce my eye with a sharp stick than listen daily to him.”
…………….
I’D rather lick the road clean with my tongue…
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
2:54 pm
This is from the great gun control advocate
TD, really? I didn’t think you were that much of a patsy that you would fall for that ancient fake Hitler quote.
I’m not even gonna snopes it. you ought to be ashamed.
moonbat betty
December 17th, 2012
2:55 pm
One other thing –
The picture at the top of the BushMaster pic with “Consider your Man Card Reiussed” has nothing to do with this shooting.
The shooter wasn’t trying to be a “Big Man”, he was a selfish mentally deranged a-hole who used a gun purchased by his Mother.
Obviously, Jay is pushing his political agenda.
td
December 17th, 2012
2:56 pm
Another great NRA founding member’s quote:
“We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;”
—Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
2:57 pm
Today’s Majority Report ought to be good.
http://majority.fm/2012/12/17/1217-cliff-schecter-gun-control-finally-on-the-table/
I hope Cliff is correct about the vulnerability of the NRA.
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
2:57 pm
“s they [NRA]are the primary advocate for the unrestrained use of assault weapons.
Not intended to be a factual statement.”
Whats your point I am not a liberal I cannot read your mind.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
2:57 pm
barking frog @ 2:53
I’m with you there. And since we are not going to get them all, there will be no total ban.
I do own several fire arms, but wouldn’t say that I would be against any additional restrictions. However, I would have to know that those restrictions were and do my own homework before saying “we need more restrictions now”.
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
2:57 pm
The shooter wasn’t trying to be a “Big Man”
His mom probably was.
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
2:58 pm
Does anybody know why the people in Cuba don’t just leave? Think about it…
Because they’re too poor to afford the airfare?
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Not enough yachts ?
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
2:59 pm
“have to know what” ………. not “that………….”
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
2:59 pm
barking frog
The weather is nice?
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
2:59 pm
The picture at the top of the BushMaster pic with “Consider your Man Card Reiussed” has nothing to do with this shooting.
MB: The wailing and gnashing of teeth about things that had nothing do with Friday’s shooting has been par for the course today.
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
3:00 pm
“The shooter wasn’t trying to be a “Big Man”, he was a selfish mentally deranged a-hole who used a gun purchased by his Mother.
Obviously, Jay is pushing his political agenda.”
Now that is concludes this story. Jay and Obama will politicize the he&& out of it to pass SYMPATHY LAWS taking away law abiding citizens rights.
Regnad Kcin
December 17th, 2012
3:02 pm
““The shooter wasn’t trying to be a “Big Man”, he was a selfish mentally deranged a-hole who used a gun purchased by his Mother.”
Since you obvious know the shooter’s reason for this massacre, why don’t you share it with the rest of the class?
moonbat betty
December 17th, 2012
3:02 pm
stands,
From the info. given so far, this incident is as much the Mom’s fault as the shooter. She enabled him to get the weapons.
However, I don’t think she was trying to be a big man, just paranoid.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
3:02 pm
willibkind
Well if Obama politicizes it in the same manner that the NRA and gun manufactures used their deceptive campaign about Obama coming to take aways guns after he won in 08 and last month then yes he will be politicizing it……….
Randy
December 17th, 2012
3:03 pm
Bottom line is that no matter what comes out of this, it will still be suicidal to be in SE Atlanta after dark…and not armed to the teeth.
skipper
December 17th, 2012
3:03 pm
As time goes on (and lets hurt some feelings here, pc police) it will ABSOLUTELY come out that this kid was a total lunatic. Not “mentally-challenged” of “slightly-autistic” or “cerebrally-challenged”. Watch the facts. Just like the Colorodo shooter, who is a total idiot nut-case. This weirdo will be the same. And, his mom took him to the shooting range????? If she (rest her soul, and I am certain it was not intentional on her part) couldn’t see what was up with this wack-job after some of the comments folks made (including her family) then she is quite possibly (even posthumously) to have to share tons of blame. If guns were not around, what would she have taught him: how to make Molotov-cocktails??? I’m just sayin’…………….
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
3:04 pm
They Both Suck
I would not oppose partial restrictions. I have a .22 pistol revolver, 22 rifle
9 shot semiautomatic and single shot 410 shotgun. However i do think
it is an exercise in futility that is unenforceable and creates a blackmarket.
getalife
December 17th, 2012
3:04 pm
Tell us the motive cons.
You don’t know do you.
How about this kids medical records and meds.
You don’t know do you?
There are many unknown facts so how can you start a debate?
You can’t.
Just knee jerk reactions just like Libya.
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
3:05 pm
Yes, weird in the fact that you are consistent with your position and I commend that.
Dare I say not many of your fellow travelers would give up their right to own fast cars.
You’re probably right about that, Godless.
mind you, I didn’t say I’d be especially HAPPY about being speed limited to 70mph. But it wouldn’t especially freak me out.
Now, if you were to asked me 20 years ago, I suspect I would’ve flown my Glibertarian freak flag at the prospect.
I don’t really care about driving fast, any more. I care about the ice shelves a lot more, frankly. I figure nowadays that our unfettered access to personal vehicles that can go/do anything we want them to won’t go on forever.
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
3:05 pm
However, I don’t think she was trying to be a big man, just paranoid.
Might be a distinction without a diff, but point taken.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
3:06 pm
Whats your point I am not a liberal I cannot read your mind.
Point is that the NRA does not advocate the unrestrained use of assault weapons.
BTW, anyone come up with that NRA article, ad, statement about survivorists, yet?
Anyone?
Brosephus™
December 17th, 2012
3:06 pm
TD, really? I didn’t think you were that much of a patsy that you would fall for that ancient fake Hitler quote.
Isn’t that the hallmark of an attention whore?
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
3:06 pm
barking frog
For the most part I agree. That is why I have not called for any additional restrictions and wont say I back any until I actually knew what they would be………….
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
3:07 pm
They Both Suck
77 degrees-slight wind-overcast, nice.
moonbat betty
December 17th, 2012
3:07 pm
getalife,
The motive is he was a deranged, selfish, a-hole who had no value for human life.
TaxPayer
December 17th, 2012
3:07 pm
The NRA and its supporters are definitely the cowards. They cannot even imagine a world without their guns.
Regnad Kcin
December 17th, 2012
3:08 pm
“Just knee jerk reactions just like Libya.”
Facts are for stupid libruls, doncha know…
tm
December 17th, 2012
3:09 pm
The problem is not the gun, the problem is we allow these nuts to be on the street. Look at the background of the VA Tech shooter, the Colorado shooter or the AZ shooter. Don’t we pay for counselors at schools to look out for these problem kids or do they judt pass them through the system and hope nothing bad happens. Columbine happened in 1999 you would think somone would have figured this out.
Brosephus™
December 17th, 2012
3:10 pm
Don’t we pay for counselors at schools to look out for these problem kids
Nope. Counselors are usually some of the first ones laid off due to budget cuts.
St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014
December 17th, 2012
3:10 pm
It’s mental health, people. That and the will to identify and remove those
identified as high risk from the general population.
I can’t bear to read some of these posts.
I’m going to leave for a while.
See you in the new age
JamVet
December 17th, 2012
3:10 pm
Interesting that td quotes Hitler.
Because good old Adolph believed that abortion was a crime punishable by hard labor and a possible death penalty.
Is this where td got that idea of his from?
Speaking of American fascists, has Ann Coulter blamed the children yet?
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
3:11 pm
BTW, anyone come up with that NRA article, ad, statement about survivorists, yet?
Well, they did refer to the ATF people who were gunned down by David Koresh as “jack booted thugs.” Sounds pretty survivalist-friendly to me. I realize it was a while ago, and they officially apologized, but it was notorious enough that George H.W. Bush publicly renounced the organization in disgust.
Regnad Kcin
December 17th, 2012
3:11 pm
tm – are you advocating involuntary commiments? In what circumstances?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 17th, 2012
3:11 pm
granny squabbles over dittle dattle and MISSES the point that CHICAGO with the MOST RESTRICTIVE gun laws in the nation has the HIGHEST MURDER RATE DUE TO GUNS in the nation
since it doesnt fit into a liberal narrative………attack on baseless grounds and NEVER ACKNOWLEDGE THE OTHER SIDE IS FACTUALLY CORRECT………….. always attack and IGNORE any LOGIC that refutes your stance
saul and the blue book at work
http://www.thelittleblueblog.org/the-little-blue-book-3/
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
3:12 pm
Interesting that td quotes Hitler.
well no, he doesn’t. That’s my point.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
3:12 pm
barking frog
Forgot you live in Florida. Sounds like great weather.
However I was responding to your reply at 2:58 about Cuba.
tm
December 17th, 2012
3:14 pm
“tm – are you advocating involuntary commiments?”
As opposed to haveing these nuts on the street where they are going to kill someone–Yes
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
3:15 pm
The Venn diagram of what many liberals believe about the NRA and the truth would look like this:
O O
Brosephus™
December 17th, 2012
3:16 pm
UNCLE SAMANTHA
Pardon my frankness, because I’m just not in the mood to be all cutesy and politically correct, but what in the hell does Left/Right have to do with any of this sh*t? Are you conservative muthaf**kers patroling Chicago trying to save lives with your personal weapons, or are you sitting back on your lilly white asses passing judgment on “those people” who are killing themselves?
It’s time for this bullsh*t to stop. You sound ignorant as hell trying to debate liberal vs conservative sh*t when people are mourning the loss of their children. Geez… How hard do you have to train to become such an insensitive jackass??
TaxPayer
December 17th, 2012
3:17 pm
After a gunman’s rampage in Aurora, Colo., in July, the NRA was strongly criticized for a tweet it sent out. The morning after that shooting, the tweet said “Good morning shooters. Happy Friday! Weekend Plans?”
The NRA said the person who sent out that tweet was unaware of the movie theater shooting, and it removed the tweet.
The last thing the NRA needs is another target painted on them so they best lay low and just make sure they quietly keep the votes they need in Congress under control.
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
3:17 pm
Hey, did anyone come up with a correlation between legal abortion and higher murder rates?
Or is it as I suspected–a lot of countries that severely restrict abortion also have pretty nasty violent crime rates?
Here’s a color coded map. Looks like my suspicions are correct, but I don’t really have time to go a good apples:apples comparison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Abortion_Laws.svg
TaxPayer
December 17th, 2012
3:18 pm
The Venn diagram of what many liberals believe about the NRA and the truth would look like this:
O O
The last thing the NRA has is a pair that big.
Regnad Kcin
December 17th, 2012
3:18 pm
““tm – are you advocating involuntary commiments?”
As opposed to haveing these nuts on the street where they are going to kill someone–Yes”
So, who gets to decide? How would that have worked in this case? Sounds a little “1984″ to me.
getalife
December 17th, 2012
3:19 pm
moonbat,
They don’t know the motive yet.
Speculabation.
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
3:20 pm
they Both suck
availability of yachts was pure speculation but i would speculate
nice weather also…
getalife
December 17th, 2012
3:21 pm
The NRA shut down their facebook and twitter pages because they are cowards.
ObamasNoLeader
December 17th, 2012
3:22 pm
Pist, Jay, check your facts. That gun WAS NOT used.
GT
December 17th, 2012
3:25 pm
You know moonbat betty if Jay’s “agenda” saves one life and destroys some gun fetish you have, to me, that is far less a selfish agenda than the one we’re having now feeding your insecurity at the expense of children dying. The way you dressed up that comment you think Jay was the one out there killing kids and your thing for guns was healthy. I think what is getting your goat is deep inside you feel defensive because you think people are blaming you and your type for this tragedy and you may have a point.
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
3:25 pm
Only a liberal would react like the liberals infer the NRA should act. The NRA’s silence makes the liberals think they have gained the high ground. What a bunch of losers.