Will our anger be buried alongside Newtown’s dead?
A flag flies at half mast on a dark, wintry night in Newtown, Conn. This week, the townspeople will bury their dead, including the bodies of 20 young first-graders murdered by an assailant who broke into their school. Coffin manufacturers have donated the 20 small caskets that will be needed in the burials. (AP)
The Bushmaster .223, the weapon used by Adam Lanza to kill 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Each victim had been shot three to 11 times, according to the coroner's report. Lanza is reported to have brought multiple 30-round magazines to the school, and at the time of his death at his own hand still possessed hundreds of rounds of ammunition.
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Robbie Parker, the father of six-year-old Emilie, has had to explain her death to her two siblings, ages 3 and 4. "They seem to get the fact that they have somebody they're going to miss very much," he said.
An excerpt from President Barack Obama’s message to Newtown and the nation, delivered at a prayer vigil Sunday night (entire text available here):
“Someone once described the joy and anxiety of parenthood as the equivalent of having your heart outside of your body all the time, walking around. With their very first cry, this most precious, vital part of ourselves — our child — is suddenly exposed to the world, to possible mishap or malice. And every parent knows there is nothing we will not do to shield our children from harm.
And yet, we also know that with that child’s very first step, and each step after that, they are separating from us; that we won’t — that we can’t always be there for them. They’ll suffer sickness and setbacks and broken hearts and disappointments. And we learn that our most important job is to give them what they need to become self-reliant and capable and resilient, ready to face the world without fear.
And we know we can’t do this by ourselves. It comes as a shock at a certain point where you realize, no matter how much you love these kids, you can’t do it by yourself. That this job of keeping our children safe, and teaching them well, is something we can only do together, with the help of friends and neighbors, the help of a community, and the help of a nation. And in that way, we come to realize that we bear a responsibility for every child because we’re counting on everybody else to help look after ours; that we’re all parents; that they’re all our children.
This is our first task — caring for our children. It’s our first job. If we don’t get that right, we don’t get anything right. That’s how, as a society, we will be judged.
And by that measure, can we truly say, as a nation, that we are meeting our obligations? Can we honestly say that we’re doing enough to keep our children — all of them — safe from harm? Can we claim, as a nation, that we’re all together there, letting them know that they are loved, and teaching them to love in return? Can we say that we’re truly doing enough to give all the children of this country the chance they deserve to live out their lives in happiness and with purpose?”
I’ve been reflecting on this the last few days, and if we’re honest with ourselves, the answer is no.”
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The answer is no.
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– Jay Bookman
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ClydeFr0g
December 17th, 2012
11:46 am
Jay – “Clyde, your attempt to portray yourself as uncommitted on this issue until you read the comments here is a dismal, dismal failure.”
I would think that someone that writes for a living would be better at reading…where did I say or imply I was uncommitted on this issue? I think it’s pretty clear that I am a gun owner and fully support our Second Amendment rights. How did you interpret anything I said otherwise?
Reading the comments here shows me that the discussion about gun control that you and your followers claim they want will never happen, and that what you and your disciples really want is to wipe your butt with the parts of the Constitution you disagree with and force the rest of us to live by your standards.
Good luck with that.
And your comments and your reply to my post show that you are petty, ignorant, and incapable of engaging in civil discourse, that you think the way to get what you want is through insults, crying, and exploiting dead children. You are despicable.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
11:46 am
Regnad – No, I just think it’s ridiculous to make a blanket idiotic statement like that. The shooter didn’t buy the weapon his mother did. Has there been some evidence that indicates his aggression was related to small penis size?
GT
December 17th, 2012
11:46 am
Rural against urban, as the country abandons the country to move to the city the antisocial nuts filter into the country or less populated areas. Here our political system represents the boondocks the same way they represent the bigger populations. Some genius probably Newt, a transplanted Pennsylvanian himself, has discovered this grassroots weakness in our system. It is like slave and nonslave states the moral answer is easy the political is impossible thanks to the obstructionist from the nut wing who have massed into the backwaters of this country.
the cat
December 17th, 2012
11:46 am
Regnad_I had just typed the same thing. snort
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 17th, 2012
11:46 am
liberals fear a gun that happens once or twice a year
BUT IGNORE A TRAGEDY HAPPENING EVERYDAY IN SCHOOLS ; LUNCH
However, a recent USA Today investigation found that the meat provided by the government for the National School Lunch Program has often been turned down by fast food restaurants, such as McDonald’s and Burger King, for failing to meet their quality or safety standards.
Read more on FamilyEducation: http://life.familyeducation.com/lunch/school/64977.html#ixzz2FKQHTtqY
Crazy Peeps
December 17th, 2012
11:47 am
Big gun mean small pecker.
Partisay
December 17th, 2012
11:47 am
UNCLE SAMANTHA – liberals think that more children dying of cancer is not a problem
doesn’t shed a tear for those children.
Very well said. Very smart. You know me well. I’m a liberal, and I really do think cancer is not a problem. 3 of my 4 grandparents died of cancer. As did my sister in law at the age of 45. My mom and dad both had it. So far so good with them. But you are right, I don’t think it’s a problem at all.
And as far as children dying of cancer, I would NEVER shed a tear for them. You are right.
Jay
December 17th, 2012
11:47 am
I’m not clear about what you’re asking, Barking.
Dharma Bum
December 17th, 2012
11:47 am
I feel pretty pessimistic about gun control… even if we put all of the appropriate measures into place, I’m still worried we will continue to have massacres like this… there will just be a slightly lower body count.
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
11:47 am
Even if the Jews had guns (and some did) they would not have had enough to prevent the Nazi war machine from achieving its end.
Next time some jackass pulls the “if TEH JOOZE HAD GUNZ” card, give ‘em this.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html
Kinda old but still packs a punch (and written by a decidedly non-bleeding heart/pro-gun guy, from what I can tell from his homepage.)
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 17th, 2012
11:48 am
Bill Orvis White
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20121217/US.Manchin.Gun.Control/
Nero
December 17th, 2012
11:52 am
Of course we all know Bookman is quite the sharpshooter. What with his opportunistic political sniping and all. Remember to squeeze on the exhale.
Obama Kills
December 17th, 2012
11:52 am
To bad Bookman is not as concerned with Obamas daily drone strikes that kill little children.
The progressive agenda will continue to roll on, over the dead bodies.
The progressives will always use tradgedy to further thier agenda.
Crazy Peeps
December 17th, 2012
11:53 am
Too many people having kids late in life with genetic and mental defects is increasing the crazy quotient.
People shouldn’t be allowed to have kids over age 35.
Doggone/GA
December 17th, 2012
11:54 am
“People shouldn’t be allowed to have kids over age 35″
That doesn’t actually say what you meant to say. It reads as if you are advocating killiing anyone over 35
Crazy Peeps
December 17th, 2012
11:55 am
Over 30? Yo eggs and manhood – no good!
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
11:55 am
Jay 11:39
do you support banning all guns except for police and military ?
Dharma Bum
December 17th, 2012
11:55 am
Crazy Peeps @11:53
You don’t get to decide something like that.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
11:55 am
So the perp had 43 minutes + before police entered the building. Doesn’t sound to me like rate of fire or magazine capacity had anything to do with the amount of carnage inflicted.
So a ban on high capacity semi-auto rifles would have helped how?
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
11:55 am
Here we go again! Lets change the constitution for a SYMPATHY LAW! Yes something dreadful happens and we need to change the constitution and or change the meaning of is to is. What a bunch of liberal crap. Yes let’s listen to politicians from the area where everyone is hurting. We can get real reasonable fixes concerning the depraved people out there. We can lose more rights!!
You scolars state that different types of weapons are not mentioned in the constitution but neither is the right to privacy. So lets take away your right to privacy and we can track down all those evil people and put them in jail. No lets attack guns and magazines. You are pitiful! In your frame of mind there should be just one Swiss alive today because they are commanded to have a semi or automatic firearm in their home. Why don’t we put prayer back into the school and maybe it will deter evil events like that just happened. Why don’t we do away with the “separation of church and state”?
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
11:56 am
Jay, sorry 11:47
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
11:56 am
If citizens don’t need guns, and they are made to give them up, then why would the police need guns?
Dharma Bum
December 17th, 2012
11:57 am
Doggone/GA @ 11:54
I was thinking the same thing! Haha!
Joe Hussein Mama
December 17th, 2012
11:58 am
williebkind — “You scolars state that different types of weapons are not mentioned in the constitution but neither is the right to privacy.”
Well, if you want to go down THAT road, the right to life’s not in there, either. So NYAAAAAAAAH
Just Saying..
December 17th, 2012
11:58 am
godless heathen – Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
9:57 am
Whats your point?
Freedom.
To die, at the hands of a maniac…
too little time
December 17th, 2012
11:58 am
Jay, in his limited wisdom on the subject, says:
Again, barking, if they are so easily substituted, then surely you will have no problem accepting a ban of the 30-round clip, since you will still have access to six 5-round clips that are exactly the same.
Correct?
Been there, done that. 30 round MAGAZINES (not clips, Jay) were outlawed with the AWB for 10 full years. It had no impact, at all. Why, prey tell, do you think it would make the slightest bit of different this time?
clem
December 17th, 2012
11:59 am
nero, you don’t know squat:
http://www.caes.uga.edu/extension/spalding/4h/projectsafe/documents/lesson5aimingfiring.pdf
Crazy Peeps
December 17th, 2012
11:59 am
Doggone
Just neuter and spade them
Reduce the crazy quotient
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
12:00 pm
Nunna Yobinnes 1156
If citizens don’t need guns, and they are made to give them up, then why would the police need guns?
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to shoot you if you threaten with a knife.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
12:00 pm
Whats your point?
Freedom.
To die, at the hands of a maniac…
The freedom to own a swimming pool
TaxPayer
December 17th, 2012
12:01 pm
I wonder if local jurisdictions might have an easier time passing laws including carry permits that are high enough to fund school security and local sales taxes to cover full body armor for the local police force, etc. I mean, after all, we do not want to impose on a person’s right to bear arms. We should just want them to bear the true cost of gun ownership on society.
Buzz Belle
December 17th, 2012
12:01 pm
newkid – that’s a very good point. Force the gunowners to buy insurance taht if their guns are used to kill people, their insurance has to pay off. Not a bad idea! With 300 million guns in this country,that’s a whole new job! The owners would have to go every five years or so for a mental health check or a responsibility check. My bet is if they had to buy insurance which would force them to take responsibility for their weapons, they might not purchase them in the first place.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 17th, 2012
12:01 pm
Crime is down over the last 30 years because of legalized abortion, not looser gun laws.
Limiting the output of unwanted babies who the parent(s) didn’t want, couldn’t afford, or couldn’t take responsibility for, in effect limited the number of those kind of babies growing into adults.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 17th, 2012
12:02 pm
JAY
please print your outline for the CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to clarify and correct the 2nd AMENDMENT……………..
not sure what laws you are going to pass to prevent crime……. but there are laws against murder and they haven’t stopped murders
In MEXICO owning a gun is AGAINST THE LAW………. only military, police and drug gangs have weapons…………. to do that here you have to have a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
Crazy Peeps
December 17th, 2012
12:02 pm
Dharma Bum
December 17th, 2012
11:55 am
Crazy Peeps @11:53
You don’t get to decide something like that.
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Why not?
“Your” mentally deficient kid is killing mine.
Best just to stop the problem before it starts.
No children over 35.
Wytavious
December 17th, 2012
12:02 pm
Old timers around here might remember the APD’s THOR (Target Hardening, Opportunity Reduction) program of years ago. The idea was to proactively take measures to make it more difficult for felons to commit crimes. Every school in America needs a THOR program, including tight entry/egress security and an armed officer on every campus who can shoot back.
No one truly believes “gun control” prevents crime. That’s just an easy, lazy nostrum that we can mouthe after each tragedy, then forget for a while until the next tragedy.
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
Last week in China, a man entered the school with a knife and cut 22 children. The reporting out of China is not so good, so there is not telling how many died or the total number hurt. This was done with a knife. You cannot stop evil from doing evil things but you can always blame inanimate objects like the gun and the cross.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
barking frog – we just need to take away knives from our citizenry too.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
Just neuter and spade them
We DID do that — up until the late 60’s mid 70’s.
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
I hadn’t actually re-read that guncite.com article linked @ 11.47 in awhile, and I wanted to quote one bit worth revisiting:
A more farfetched question is the hypothetical proposition of armed Jewish resistance. First, they were not commonly armed even prior to the 1928 Law. Second, Jews had seen pogroms before and had survived them, though not without suffering. They would expect that this one would, as had the past ones, eventually subside and permit a return to normalcy. Many considered themselves “patriotic Germans” for their service in the first World War. These simply were not people prepared to stage violent resistance. Nor were they alone in this mode of appeasement. The defiance of “never again” is not so much a warning to potential oppressors as it is a challenge to Jews to reject the passive response to pogrom. Third, it hardly seems conceivable that armed resistance by Jews (or any other target group) would have led to any weakening of Nazi rule, let alone a full scale popular rebellion; on the contrary, it seems more likely it would have strengthened the support the Nazis already had. Their foul lies about Jewish perfidy would have been given a grain of substance. To project backward and speculate thus is to fail to learn the lesson history has so painfully provided.
I’ve played devil’s advocate in the past and tried to argue against this, and found myself wanting. Anyone else wish to, have at it.
Dekalb comments
December 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
Better gun regulation including background checks for ALL transactions, very high fines, penalties and possibly incarceration for skirting the laws surrounding gun transactions would be a start. Outlawing high-capacity magazines and assault weapons would be a start.
These would have ZERO negative impact on law-abiding gun owners.
But these actions are just a drop in the bucket. We need to realize that mental health is as important as physical health and we know how people fought the idea of making sure every American has access to affordable physical health care.
We have to have a serious dialogue about the culture of guns. My mother died of emphysema after smoking all of her adult life. During WWII her doctor prescribed her to start smoking to help control her weight. It was viewed as glamorous to smoke. That culture has changed significantly. Cigarettes are not outlawed but as a culture we have changed the view.
Drinking and driving was once almost glamorized in movies. It was the “one for the road” mentality. We have turned that corner and with seatbelt laws and intolerance for drunk driving we have significantly reduced the loss of life due to drunk driving.
We glorify guns and “shoot em up” movies, video games, etc. Our culture has become totally desensitized to the fact that firearms are weapons that are designed, their sole purpose, is to kill whether that is an animal with a hunting rifle to an enemy with a military-grade weapon.
We need to work on changing that culture as we have the culture of cigarettes, drinking and driving, etc.
I have no problem with law-abiding citizens to own a firearm for hunting, sport or protection. But, as with all other Constitutional rights, the “right” to own a firearm (an individual right is not consistent with any rational reading of the 2nd Amendment but the Supreme Court has ruled) is not without limit.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
12:04 pm
Crazy Peep – I think that technically they are no longer children at age 35.
Partisay
December 17th, 2012
12:04 pm
“Why don’t we put prayer back into the school and maybe it will deter evil events like that just happened. Why don’t we do away with the “separation of church and state”?
So Williebkind, whose “religion” should we use? Take a vote at the beginning of school and whatever religion the students represent the most, that’s the religious faith we go with?
Or just leave it up to the individual teachers? If you had a muslim teacher for math, you could get a little muslim education with it. Maybe have a catholic social studies teacher for 3rd period and then a good ole baptist to end the day in english?
I think your’re on to something there!!
Nero
December 17th, 2012
12:05 pm
clem,
I know how to double tap center mass with accuracy. Stick to your bb guns Cletus.
Escaped from Email Purgatory
December 17th, 2012
12:05 pm
I expect this is already being considered – perhaps it’s already been mentioned in the 500 + comments that precede mine.
To the extent these miscreants crave notoriety, deny them. Don’t mention their name. Don’t splash their image over every media outlet available.
For completely different reasons, we do it now with rape victims. And aren’t the names of juveniles who commit crimes withheld as well? Is this by a gentlemen’s agreement or is it statute?
I guess the experts have to figure out what motivates these creeps. But if infamy craved puts lead in their pencils, eliminate it as a component of their twisted fantasy.
It’s not the magic elixir by itself, but it might be an ingredient of one.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 17th, 2012
12:05 pm
in LOGANS RUN it was no children over 30
looks like we are on the path to scifi coming true
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 17th, 2012
12:05 pm
Last week in China, a man entered the school with a knife…
With no deaths reported. Missing fingers and ears but no deaths. Remember, knives have multiple uses. Guns only have one purpose. You don’t use a gun to make a tent peg, prepare firewood, turn screws, etc.
Krystal'sBalls
December 17th, 2012
12:05 pm
@Oscar
December 17th, 2012
11:27 am
Agree wholeheartedly with your #1 and #2. Of course, that means the effort must be funded through HIGHER TAXES, which I am all for especially of it improves the safety of my child and yours. I also agree with your #3 but feel it should go further. Honestly, I only own one because I know other people out there own high capacity rifles and our times have brought us more home invasions with multiple people coming in and terrorizing your domain. THAT there is the primary reason I bought a .223 for the capacity. I would however be willing to have to register it or undergo whatever additional background investigation required. I would also be perfectly ok restricting sale from licensed dealers only, as well as limiting ammunition quantity purchases, getting rid of high cap (drum) magazines and all of that. Require trade in of damaged magazines in order to purchase new ones to limit people from just stocking up on them. RESTRICT THE SALE OF BODY ARMOR AND OTHER RELATED TACTICAL EQUIPMENT TO anyone BUT government law enforcement agencies or the military! NOTHING says scream potential-maniac-capable-of-a-killing-spree than some everyday civilian who feels the need to go out and purchase body armor. There are a lot of things that can be done.
zeke
December 17th, 2012
12:06 pm
And there are still about 40,000 car deaths each year! Cars are killing people! Ban all cars and trucks! This is a silly argument, but, no more so than the ban the guns argument! Guns and cars are inanimate objects, have no brain, cannot decide to kill someone! It is the people, our society as a whole that has lost it’s moral compass! Until the government and the courts take appropriate measures to correct the moral slide, no law will change anything! There is absolutely no respect for human life! The fact that we as a country murder a million or more unborn innocent children and justify it as a birth control method or women’s reproductive rights issue is absurd! That the courts protect the filth coming out of Hollywood, on the internet and in ubiquitous violent video games by claiming censorship issues is absurd! Until we as a nation change that moral compass, NO LAW OR ACTION WILL PROTECT ANYONE MUCH LESS OUR CHILDREN!
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
12:06 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
If we take away knives, we would have to keep guns in order to
shoot salads…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 17th, 2012
12:06 pm
Yep, 22 people attacked by a single person with a knife in China. ALL 22 still live. Seems that perhaps people with guns kill.
williebkind
December 17th, 2012
12:06 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
December 17th, 2012
11:58 am
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is in the Declaration of Independence. Can you feeel it?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 17th, 2012
12:07 pm
the NUT killed himself
HE AINT READING ABOUT HIMSELF IN THE PAPER
the mentally ill are not LOGICAL THINKERS
they are nuts…….. and thus do nutty things
Dharma Bum
December 17th, 2012
12:07 pm
Crazy Peeps @12:02
You, as an individual, don’t get to make mandates for the rest of the country to follow. Aside from that, I don’t know of any reasonable data supporting your idea regarding children born to mothers over 35. Get some hard data, and then maybe you can be taken seriously… any always remember: correlation does not prove causation.
Peace
December 17th, 2012
12:08 pm
Who mourns the massacre of millions of children murdered by the abortion industry? Babies are killed every day. The President doesn’t mourn. Dianne Feinstein doesn’t condemn the butchery. And not a single bullet is fired from a Bushmaster. Liberals truly value human life?
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
12:08 pm
BF – no, require mandatory ownership of salad shooters.
Jefferson
December 17th, 2012
12:10 pm
You can’t change the fact that legal guns are the ones involved in these school shootings.
Regnad Kcin
December 17th, 2012
12:10 pm
“The freedom to own a swimming pool”
Remind me about the swimming pool murderer who killed all those schoolchildren, please…
Welcome to the Occupation
December 17th, 2012
12:10 pm
UNCLE SAMANTHA: “HE AINT READING ABOUT HIMSELF IN THE PAPER”
He anticipated it all in advance.
“the mentally ill are not LOGICAL THINKERS”
Not quite true. It’s logical alright. Deeply deluded and diseased, but logical.
“they are nuts…….. and thus do nutty things”
Yeah, and the problem is that the illness is spreading, metastasizing.
indigo
December 17th, 2012
12:12 pm
godless – 11:00
I said .22 caliber SINGLE SHOT BOLT ACTION. no clips
Do you not know what that means?
clem
December 17th, 2012
12:12 pm
nero, you probably need two shots and at close range
monty
December 17th, 2012
12:12 pm
Figure out a way to keep guns out of the hands of the insane, demented,sociopath, hardened criminal and I’m all for that. If your answer is as simplistic as no one can own guns then go back to the drawing board. We can’t prevent the Ted Bundys, Cahrles Mansons, Columbine muderers and now this kid,and that’s what scares us. No amount of laws can cure evil.
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
12:12 pm
Jay 11:47
I’m not clear about what you’re asking, Barking.
………………………
do you support a ban on all firearms except for police and military?
(just for clarity)
td
December 17th, 2012
12:14 pm
Finn de Siècle (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
December 17th, 2012
12:01 pm
Crime is down over the last 30 years because of legalized abortion, not looser gun laws.
Limiting the output of unwanted babies who the parent(s) didn’t want, couldn’t afford, or couldn’t take responsibility for, in effect limited the number of those kind of babies growing into adults.
Or could it be that mandatory sentencing of criminals has taken effect?
getalife
December 17th, 2012
12:14 pm
Our President delivered his best speech yet.
It is on his agenda for his second term.
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
12:15 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
salad shooters have too large magazines and should be banned also.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 17th, 2012
12:16 pm
if the liberals and conservatives wouldn’t have wasted all that money on GREEN ENERGY in the stimulus…………..
it could have funded mental health for decades
but they cut it to give rich people free money to start businesses instead of helping those in need of help
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
12:16 pm
I know this a repeat for some of you, but we have new “advocates” here today and I would like for them to consider the same point.
Every legal driver can go down to the car dealership today and purchase an automobile capable of traveling in excess of 100 mph, even though, nowhere in Georgia is the legal speed limit more than 70 mph.
NTSB figures show that about 700 children per year are killed on our highways where excessive speed is a factor. This is despite speed limits and enforcement efforts. Why does anyone NEED a car that will go 100 mph when the legal limit is 70?
Would you advocate limiting the speed of automobiles sold? Why not? Is it because you own and want to continue to own a car that will go 100 mph? Do you think you should have the freedom to own such a car as long as you obey the speed limit, or don’t get caught speeding? After all, you aren’t killing anyone with your car.
Some people like to own guns that shoot rapidly, and feel that as long as they operate them in a legal manner, banning them is an encroachment on their freedom.
Krystal'sBalls
December 17th, 2012
12:16 pm
@Tom
“Perhaps more men should be on staff at the elementary school level.”
I thought about that very thing on the ride in this morning. It is true children are a bit more at a handicap from a safety perspective because the schools are dominated by women. Not said to demean the capability of women, I speak strictly from a PHYSICAL SAFETY perspective. Our wiring just allows us to respond differently.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
12:16 pm
BF – I think they could at best only inflict surface wounds. You’d also have to grab their hand and jam it into the salad shooter as it was turning.
Nero
December 17th, 2012
12:16 pm
clem,
Unlike you, my screaming and slap fighting technique leaves something to be desired. I’ll stick with my Kimber.
Tundra Dude
December 17th, 2012
12:18 pm
Obama Let 1 Billion Dollars in School Security Funds Lapse Before Sandy Hook Mass Shooting
http://bit.ly/UJps8A
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
12:19 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
o.k. status quo wins just like guns.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
12:19 pm
Ok. Once the guns have been taken away from those who obey the law, invest in companies that manufacture nail guns.
The Thin Guy
December 17th, 2012
12:20 pm
Am not a gun nut. Guns make loud noises and I hate loud noises. There are people I’m not fond of but have no desire to physically harm them. But we had a law making alcohol illegal. Did it work? We have laws making cocaine illegal. Is it working? I mourn the dead but have no magic wand to wave to prevent these kinds of things occurring. If you stay locked up in your house you’ll be ok until nature takes its course. But is it worth it? If you are going to change the law, repeal the 2nd Amendment; if I can’t have a gun I don’t want anyone else to. Hunters can experience the joy of hunting a grizzly bear with a spear.
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
12:20 pm
Godless, I wouldn’t lose a minute’s sleep if the Federal government decided to limit vehicles to a 70mph max. But I guess I’m weird that way.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 17th, 2012
12:21 pm
monty: “Figure out a way to keep guns out of the hands of the insane, demented,sociopath, hardened criminal and I’m all for that”
As I said above, that won’t work either, for the simple reason that the sociopathy in question is a metastasizing process. There will not be a way of reliably tracking people who are potential time bombs. Some will reveal their violent plans on social networks, to friends, etc., but many others will keep it pent up inside or will display more typically “sociopathic” tendencies where they play the “good neighbor” person to the outside world, hiding the monster inside (like Eric Harris at Columbine).
The larger issue is the sick society that we live in and the increasing social tensions that are begetting violence.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 17th, 2012
12:22 pm
KRYSTAL’S BALLS
rear southern men STOP nut jobs
when a shooter in Pearl MS tried to go kill more children………… he STOOD UP
http://www.davekopel.com/2a/othwr/principal&gun.htm
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
12:22 pm
As long as they don’t limit the acceleration to 70 mph.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
12:22 pm
Once the guns have been taken away from those who obey the law, invest in companies that manufacture nail guns.
indigo
December 17th, 2012
12:23 pm
peace – 12:08
Thousands of women all over the world have spontaneous abortions(miscarragies) every day.
Your “God of love dosen’t seem to be mourning this.
Do you?
td
December 17th, 2012
12:23 pm
2000 children will be killed today and tomorrow and every day of the year and you progressives will remain silent or worse support this senseless killing to continue. .
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 17th, 2012
12:23 pm
“Darkness is the absence of light.
Evil is the absence of good.”
“We can minimize violence but we cannot eliminate evil.”
“Gun Free Zones” = “Helpless Victims Zones”
Finally: “Emotions are so raw right now (and understandably so) that facts must be put aside. When a little time passes then we can hopefully look at this with reason and work on minimizing future events.”
stands for decibels
December 17th, 2012
12:24 pm
Who mourns the massacre of millions of children murdered by the abortion industry? Babies are killed every day.
I know you hate when people point this out, but those terminated via legal abortion in the USA are not “children.” They are embryos (the overwhelming majority, anyway–a small minority would be considered to be in the fetal stage.)
And if you want to secure rights of citizenship to all embryonic life, you’ll need a constitutional amendment for that.
So, as I was told by others this weekend when I broached the subject of repealing the 2nd Amendment–”good luck with that.”
Until then, mystery meat, you know where you can cram your crybaby act.
(and it IS an act, and it’s not fooling anyone).
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
12:24 pm
Tundra Dude 12:18
Obama Let 1 Billion Dollars in School Security Funds Lapse Before Sandy Hook Mass Shooting
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that puts the ball in his court now. probably concentrate on new laws.
RB from Gwinnett
December 17th, 2012
12:25 pm
“We should just want them to bear the true cost of gun ownership on society.”
Do you also want the high school dropouts to bear the true cost of their actions too? How about fat people? Wanna tax food by the calorie?
Simple minded solutions from simple minded people….
indigo
December 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
Bring home all of our soldiers fighting in that useless Afghanistan war.
Assign them to protect our little school children.
Or, do you think Afghan lives are worth more than American?
You can’t have it both ways in this case.
There just aren’t enough of our soldiers to go around and save the whole world.
USA Patriot
December 17th, 2012
12:27 pm
Hmmmm, seems an individual w/ a CCW permit and his pistol had an impact on the shooting in Clackamas, OR last week.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html
Crazy Peeps
December 17th, 2012
12:27 pm
Dharma
Bad news for you
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/magazine/110861/how-older-parenthood-will-upend-american-society?page=0,0
Older parents are ruining the country
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
12:27 pm
I said .22 caliber SINGLE SHOT BOLT ACTION. no clips
Do you not know what that means?
Why .22? Why not .17?
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
12:28 pm
“Until then, mystery meat, you know where you can cram your crybaby act.
(and it IS an act, and it’s not fooling anyone).” Db the mind reader. Get your tickets here. He knows all, and tells all.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
12:28 pm
Bring home all of our soldiers fighting in that useless Afghanistan war.
Assign them to protect our little school children.
No.
A soldier is not the same as a policeman.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 17th, 2012
12:28 pm
Pennsylvania ………. not Georgia.
OAKS, Pa. (CBS) — “A gun show in Montgomery County drew a huge crowd on Sunday, despite calls for stricter gun control after a shooting rampage at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.”
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/12/16/connecticut-school-shooting-doesnt-deter-crowd-at-gun-show-in-montgomery-county/
luangtom
December 17th, 2012
12:29 pm
The moral backbone and values this country once had are lost. We medicate our children so they will be easier to deal with at home and in school. We rely upon the system to instill the morals and values that were once learned at home. We are a busy society with no time to parent, yet keep pumping out children for the government to educate and instill their values and standards in. Then, we all wonder aloud why incidents such as that in CT occur. Our response and that of the government is a knee-jerk one. Legislate the troubles away.
We all see how well that legislation is doing in our War on Drugs. It is a dismal failure, yet we keep pumping money into it and get a feel-good boost because another new law has been passed. The same will happen with gun-control. Advocates of such measures will use this incident to push their agendas, while they fail to see what good such legislation has done in President Obama’s adopted home-town of Chicago. The very same weekend as the CT shootings, a dozen young people were killed on the mean-streets of Chicago. Yet, we hear no media-attention, hear no national outrage. Why not? The people are just as dead as those children, the families are grieving just as hard as those in CT. Chicago has some of the most restrictive firearms laws in the nation and they are not working to quell the death and mayhem. Why do people think new laws from Washington DC will do any better?
Christian Conservative
December 17th, 2012
12:30 pm
What are we to be angry at Jay? The shooter? Guns? How about society! How about how society is rotting from the inside and has been for decades thanks to the secular left. Its something you fruits simply don’t realize because that’s your worldview. Look at the filth promoted on tv and video games. Look at the filthy lifestyles promoted. Look at how we glamorize Hollywood as if these people know better. Look at how the government acts to a large portion of society. They act as there mother and father. The government thinks its GOD and prevent something like this with silly laws that will do nothing. Until this country turns back to GOD forget it. Its over!!!!
barking frog
December 17th, 2012
12:30 pm
Kamchak
A soldier is not the same as a policeman.
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a blend seems to be the trend…
Jay
December 17th, 2012
12:30 pm
Here’s what Tundra Dude’s link actually says:
Beneath the expressions of grief, sorrow and disbelief over the Connecticut school massacre lies an uneasy truth in Washington: over the last few years the Obama administration and Congress quietly let federal funding for several key school security programs lapse in the name of budget savings.
Government officials told the Washington Guardian on Friday night that two Justice Department programs that had provided more than $200 million to schools for training, security equipment and police resources over the last decade weren’t renewed in 2011 and 2012, and that a separate program that provided $800 million to put police officers inside the schools was ended a few years earlier….
Justice Department spokesman Corey Ray said Friday night that the SSI (School Safety Initiative) and SOS (Secure Our Schools) programs had been funded primarily by congressional earmarks for the last decade and the administration did not seek additional funding to continue the efforts after lawmakers essentially banned most earmarks in 2010.
“They were funded through congressionally designated funding (earmarks). They ended in 2010 or 2011 when that process of funding ceased,” he said.”
You mean the money disappeared in 2011 and 2012, when the Republicans in Congress were insisting that discretionary federal spending be cut, and in particular federal spending by the Department of Education? After all that talk about how the feds shouldn’t be sending money to the states for schools?
This is not a productive way of approaching this issue, Tundra. But if you want to go there…
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 17th, 2012
12:31 pm
WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE GOOD OLE DAYS
WHEN WE PUT NUT JOBS IN INSTITUTIONS AND LOCKED EM AWAY FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES AND SHOT ELECTRICITY THROUGH THERE BRAINS
Jay
December 17th, 2012
12:32 pm
“do you support a ban on all firearms except for police and military?
(just for clarity)
No, not in the least.
Ivan
December 17th, 2012
12:32 pm
“Yep, 22 people attacked by a single person with a knife in China. ALL 22 still live. Seems that perhaps people with guns kill.”
So in an example of where we see a crazy person entering a school with a knife/gun, you look to the weapon of choice, not the “crazy person” as the issue.
makes perfect sense.
WHAO! whew. that was close. Just had a deputy walk passed me in the restaraunt. That gun could have went crazy.