Signs of change on assault weapon ban

godless: FYI, firearms are highly regulated. Go buy one, if you even qualify.

FYI to YOU — I’m a gun owner. The difference between me and you is that I’m not a loon who feels threatened and needs my gun with me at all times, even when I go to church, or the bathroom, or to the pool, or to the gym, or outside to ride my bike, in order to feel safe.

Anyone here argued against ANY gun control legislation? ANYONE?? Many have argued against additional stupid laws that will do nothing to prevent another incident such as occurred Friday

That’s the same as arguing against ANY gun control in my opinion. If you see a need for a law, (like let’s say Drunk Driving), yet you refuse to take the step to enact the law, then YES you are arguing against ANY law that may abate a problem. IMO.

PS: Duh!

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Still only 6 Kammy. And if he had had a Bushmaster, he would probably got off about 6. The reaction of the security detail saved the President’s life.

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The reaction of the security detail saved the President’s life.

Without firing a single shot.

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Nancy Lanza had assault weapons because she was worried about the direction the country was going, the economy, and her fight for survival if something should happen. Nancy Lanza’s sister-in-law’s description of Nancy Lanza as reported on Saturday, Dec. 15, 2012, during the 10 p.m. CBS News Special.

According to the New York Times, “Investigators have linked Ms. Lanza to five weapons: two powerful handguns, two traditional hunting rifles and a semiautomatic rifle that is similar to weapons used by troops in Afghanistan. Her son took the two handguns and the semiautomatic rifle to the school.”

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Ain’t no sunshine when she’s gone
Its not warm when shes away
Ain’t no sunshine when she’s gone
And she’s always gone too long
Anytime she goes away…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdIqbv7SPo

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DDR

great tune

thanks

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BTW, does the death toll of 26 include the shooter and his mother? (Serious question – no levity)

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“The mistake she made was not keeping her guns in a safe with a combination lock.”

“Yes, and her decision not to go to the authorities concerning her son, of whom she was “afraid”, contributed to the deaths of 26 people.”

Yes, and the fact that no one in that school had the ability to defend theirself or those kids against deadly force contributed to (strike that – guaranteed) the deaths of 26 people.

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I’m cryin’ everyone’s tears
And there inside our private war I died the night before
And all of these remnants of joy and disaster
What am I suppose to do?

I want to cook you a soup that warms your soul
But nothin’ would change, nothin’ would change at all
It’s just a day that brings it all about
Just another day and nothin’s any good

The D.J’s playin’ the same song
I have so much to do, I have to carry on
I wonder if this grief will ever let me go
I feel like I am the King of Sorrow
The King of Sorrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V4kx2R9Foc

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HA ! Kammies’s done.

He’s been busted !

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But DO SOMETHING, for godsakes!!!!!

There’s your sign.

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Doggone – Thanks.

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Do you clowns realize that the idiot Timothy McVeigh killed 19 kids with fertilizer, diesel fuel & and a rental truck. Why don’t we ban those items?

Ummmm dumbass, don’t you realize that you can’t buy bulk purchases of fertilizer anymore without your information being tracked?

Geez, the level of stupidity has drastically increased since the election. Hell, I think I found the reason why the righties are so damned angry today….

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2012/12/17/electoral-college-casts-votes-today/

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Tradition trumped suspense Monday as members of the Electoral College cast the official, final votes in an exhausting 2012 presidential election, a constitutional formality on President Barack Obama’s march to a second term.

The rite playing in state capitols involved party luminaries and tireless activists carrying out the will of each state’s voters. The popular vote from state-to-state dictates whether Democratic or Republican electors get the honor, but the outcome is not in doubt.

Now, compare the GOPerized version that I’ve linked there vs the “librul media” version via Yahoo…

http://news.yahoo.com/electoral-college-vote-affirms-obama-election-225749793–election.html;_ylt=A2KLOzKVy89QNEYApcTQtDMD

If things look as they do, it seems as Mr. Brian Bakst over at GOPUSA is committing plagiarism of the highest order. He’s taking credit for the article on the GOPUSA site which is almost verbatim from the Yahoo article. The two differences is that Mr. Bakst didn’t include the “sour grapes” section that Yahoo has, and then Mr. Bakst’s name isn’t credited by Yahoo as contributing to this piece.

Everybody should look at both of those links and see exactly what living in an echo chamber reads like. I think I’m saving both of these to post every time somebody whines about the “librul media”.

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If what I read previously is true, he circumvented school security (to whatever extent it existed) by busting out a window and entering the building that way. I wonder if there were cameras monitoring the parking lots? If so, they would have been able to see that he was carrying a rifle, and call the police sooner.

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godless heathen – Law Abiding Citizen :

“A fact Kam will ignore.”

Yes he did but so do most others on here.

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You don’t respond to lunacy.

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“I hope you don’t have a big sign out front announcing this.”

Of course not, my point is people advocating “SWAT Teams” and ex-military guarding these places probably won’t work in the way some believe.

Sorry, SWAT and Military people are not trained for this type of work. Can they do it? Sure after training (and psychological evaluation).

I guess some people forget what a soldier is trained to do.

More importantly, where do the funds come for training and salaries?

There are more questions. I don’t have the time. This is an anonymous blog so people can posit whatever they want.

My Dad served in three wars. He killed many people for the USA. He was a Marksman and strangely never allowed a firearm in the house. My brothers and I were never allowed to have any type of firearm (not even a BB gun). My brother got whipped when my father found he sneaked in a BB gun.
My father had specific views about firearms. He was a soldier and believed there only purpose was to kill (people).

I don’t have an issue with people that hunt. I respect that. You don’t hunt with a semi-automatic rifle.

Anyway, there are too many people that have all the answers. My guess is this terrible tragedy will be forgotten in a week or two.

Sad but true. One last thing, I have a hard time imagining god with an AK47, multiple bandoliers, grenades, and a few hand guns (with extra ammo just in case).

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Moonbat: Debbie has a gun??? Lord Help Us!

I own 3, and I’m proficient with every one of them. Yet, I still feel that there should be another layer of gun control when purchasing/tracking a weapon.

I hope my owning guns didn’t break/upset your opinion of me — I’m still a bleeding heart liberal. I’m just a bleeding heart liberal that’ll take you out if you cross my threshold trying to harm me or mine.

We bleeding heart liberals have standards don’t ya know……..

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Sooth: And no where in your post is anything that supports this statement:

Nancy Lanza was a self-professed survivalist and doomsday prepper. Her son was a diagnosed Asperger Syndrome sufferer. Nancy Lanza was a gun person. The mistake she made was not keeping her guns in a safe with a combination lock.

Are you the sick puppy that said this morning that she deserved to die for her sins, or was that one of your fellow travelers. I was thinking it was Welcome to the Occupation, but maybe it was you.

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I own 3, and I’m proficient with every one of them. Yet, I still feel that there should be another layer of gun control when purchasing/tracking a weapon.

THREE GUNS!!! Noone NEEDS three guns. You can’t shoot but one at a time!!!!

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Sorry about that, here’s the link.

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“You can’t shoot but one at a time!!!!”

Roy Rogers could shoot 2!

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Her former sister-in-law Marsha said she had turned her home ‘into a fortress’

Former sister-in-law. That’s credible.

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Some posters just have to post garbage as if it were fact. How sad and how dense of them to miss the point.

Law officers said during a Wednesday press conference that they did not know whether any member of the public carrying a concealed weapon had counterattacked Roberts. But they said they are certain that Roberts died by his own hand after fleeing down a stairwell from the mall’s upper level.

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NEWTOWN, Conn. – At the bar, everybody knew her name.

Nancy Lanza was the one who, if she heard you were short on cash, regularly offered to pick up the tab at My Place.

Two or three nights a week, Lanza — the mother of the gunman in Connecticut’s horrific school massacre — came in for carryout salads, but stayed for Chardonnay and good humor. The divorced mother of two — still smooth-skinned and ash blonde at 52 — clearly didn’t have to work, but was always glad to share talk of her beloved Red Sox, gardening and a growing enthusiasm for target shooting.

But while Lanza spoke proudly about her sons and brought them in for breakfast when they were younger, friends say she held one card very close: home life, especially its trials and setbacks, was off limits.

Now, the secrets Lanza kept are at the center of the questions that envelop this New England town, grieving over the slaughter unleashed by her 20-year-old son Adam, who investigators say killed his mother Friday with one of her own guns before murdering 26 children and teachers at a nearby school.

“Her family life was her family life. She kept it private, when we were together. That was her own thing,” said Louise Tambascio, who runs the warmly lit pizzeria and bar with her own sons, and became a shopping and dining companion of Nancy Lanza’s.

Friends had met Lanza’s younger son, who stared down at the floor and didn’t speak when she brought him in. They knew he’d switched schools more than once and that she’d tried home schooling him. But while she occasionally expressed concern about his future during evenings at the bar, she never complained about anything at all.

“I heard her as a parent. I always said that I wouldn’t want to be in her shoes. But I thought, `Wow. She holds it well,”‘ said Tambascio’s son, John.

California resident Ryan Kraft told KCAL-TV in Los Angeles that when he was a teenager he lived a few doors down from the Lanza family and used to babysit Adam Lanza, then nine or 10 years old. He said the boy “struck me as an introverted kid.”

“His mom Nancy had always instructed me to keep an eye on him at all times, never turn my back or even go to the bathroom or anything like that. Which I found odd but I really didn’t ask; it wasn’t any of my business,” said Kraft, who lives in Hermosa Beach. “But looking back at it now, I guess there was something else going on.”

Despite the challenges, the trappings of Lanza’s life in Newtown were comfortable. When she and then-husband Peter Lanza moved to the central Connecticut community in 1998 from southern New Hampshire, they bought a brand new 3,100-square-foot colonial set on more than two acres in the Bennett’s Farm neighborhood. Nancy Lanza had previously worked as a stock broker at John Hancock in Boston and her husband was a successful executive.

When the couple divorced in 2009, he left their spacious home to Nancy Lanza and told her she would never have to work another day in her life, said Marsha Lanza of Crystal Lake, Ill., Lanza’s aunt. The split-up was not acrimonious and Adam spent time with both his mother and father, she said.

Those who knew Nancy Lanza recall her as very generous, often giving money to those she met and doing volunteer work.

When a mutual friend sought a loan from an acquaintance, Jim Leff, and Leff asked for collateral, Lanza intervened.

“Nancy overheard the discussion, and, unblinkingly, told him she’d just write him a check then and there,” Leff recalled on his blog in a post after Lanza’s death. “While I’m far from the most generous guy in the world, it’s not often that I feel stingy. But I learned something from that. I should have just written him the check. She was right.”

Mark Tambascio recalled the time Lanza invited him and his brother to attend a Boston Red Sox game, buying them tickets atop the outfield wall known as the Green Monster, and refusing any talk of repayment.

There were moments when she appeared carefree. Inside My Place on Sunday, friends passed around a book of photos from a 2008 sailing trip off Newport, R.I., including one showing Lanza, her eyes gently closed and head tilted back as the sea breeze blew through her hair. “Dreamer!” read the caption.

Neighbors knew her from the monthly gathering of women who rotated between homes for games of the dice game bunko. Lanza enthused about gardening, while poking fun of the fact that few could see the result because her house was set back from the road on a low rise, partly cloaked by trees.

“She used to give me a hard time, you know, because I put out all these Christmas lights, and she said, `I put out mine, too, but you can’t even see them,”‘ said Rhonda Cullens, who lives one street over.

Lanza also began telling friends that she’d bought guns and had taken up target shooting, John Tambascio said.

All three of the guns that Adam Lanza carried into Sandy Hook Elementary were owned and registered by his mother — a pair of handguns and a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle, his primary weapon.

Investigators said Sunday that Nancy Lanza visited shooting ranges several times and that her son also visited an area range.

Ginger Colbrun, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, said it’s still not clear whether Nancy Lanza brought her son to the range or whether he ever fired a weapon there.

Marsha Lanza told the Chicago Sun-Times that Nancy Lanza wanted guns for protection. “She prepared for the worst,” Marsha Lanza told the newspaper. “I didn’t know that they (the guns) would be used on her.”

Guns were her hobby,” Dan Holmes, who got to know Lanza while doing landscaping work for her, told The Washington Post. “She told me she liked the single-mindedness of shooting.”

But while trips to shooting ranges gave Lanza an outlet, she returned home to the ever-present challenges of raising a son with intractable problems.

At Newtown High School, Adam Lanza was often having crises that only his mother could defuse.

“He would have an episode, and she’d have to return or come to the high school and deal with it,” said Richard Novia, the school district’s head of security until 2008, who got to know the family because both Lanza sons joined the school technology club he chartered.

Novia said Adam Lanza would sometimes withdraw completely “from whatever he was supposed to be doing,” whether it was sitting in class or reading a book.

Adam Lanza “could take flight, which I think was the big issue, and it wasn’t a rebellious or defiant thing,” Novia said. “It was withdrawal.”

The club gave the boy a place where he could be more at ease and indulge his interest in computers. His anxieties appeared to ease somewhat, but they never disappeared. When people approached him in the hallways, he would press himself against the wall or walk in a different direction, clutching tight to his black briefcase.

Marsha Lanza described Nancy Lanza as a good mother.

“If he had needed consulting, she would have gotten it,” Marsha Lanza said. “Nancy wasn’t one to deny reality.”

But friends and neighbors said Lanza never spoke about the difficulties of raising her son. Mostly she noted how smart he was and that she hoped, even with his problems, that he’d find a way to succeed.

“We never talked about the family,” John Tambascio said. “She just came in to have a great time.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/17/mother-gunman-in-newtown-shooting-described-as-friendly-but-guarded/#ixzz2FMj30t47

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Sooth: “godless: you’re kidding me, right?”

About what?

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Good fight:

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

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SoCoBro: I’ve been wondering the same thing. I guess the answer is a resounding HELL NO!!

It’s just too sad for words. Just too damn sad.

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I’ve lost the use of my heart.
But I’m still alive
Still looking for the life
The endless pool on the other side, It’s a wild wild west
I’m doing my best

I’m at the borderline of my faith,
I’m at the hinterland of my devotion
In the frontline of this battle of mine
But I’m still alive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR5_rTCi-Bo

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Dog: Roy Rogers could shoot 2!

I thought of that right after I hit Submit.

When I was at the courthouse getting my first CC permit, there was a guy there getting his. The clerk asked him for his index finger for printing. He asked which one she wanted, right or left. She said the one you pull the trigger with. He said, “I use ‘em both.”

Maybe it was Roy.

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Senior Digits, the cops disagree. So far unsubstantiated claim. And we of course know that no one would exaggerate. And of course, given your history, you would never manipulate a story to make your pointy even if is was with lies and distortion. Really sad on your part as usual.

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godless: what is the point of your rather lengthy post @ 9:11?

Are you kidding me about my posts not backing up what I said?

godless: you are wandering deeper and deeper into a swamp of meaningless posts. What exactly is the point that you are arguing? That Nancy Lanza doesn’t bear some of the responsibility for this tragedy? That she is not a survivalist and doomsday prepper? What are you arguing?

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DDR

I stepped away for a while to see if some semblance of common sense dialogue would suddenly take place. I guess I should have spent that time wishing for powerball winning numbers instead. It’s funny how you read that leftists/liberals always want to take advantage of a crisis, yet the conservatives are running with this story like Eric Metcalf Sr returning a kickoff.

Sitting back and reading the back and forth here is exactly what you said…. just too damn sad. Funny that it’s grown, or at least chronologically grown, assed people here debating like a pack of teenage hyenas.

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Keep and Scout

Put in Nick Meli (the gentleman who is saying he pointed a gun at the shooter) in the search engine of Fox News website.

Again it could have happened, but the “big story” about the “librul media” hiding something might have something to do with little to no corroboration.

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LOVE that Bill Withers, Debbie.

Thanks for linking it. It helps me not think about this tragedy.

And I’ve tried really hard not to learn anything much about this massacre but even so, I just feel so damn awful.

Last night I watched a lovely Holiday special on GPB with Jane Seymour and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I was enthralled by the magic of the performances and then that “thing” would creep into my mind and I fell despondent and wept. As if I had no right to be so happy when so many were in such agony…

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I want to repeat this again for everyone to witness: If Nancy Lanza, the registered owner of the firearms used in the Newtown murders, had keep them in a locked safe with a combination lock, this tragedy would likely have never occurred. That she did not, even with a mentally ill child in her care, makes her mostly responsible for this tragedy.

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Debbie reminds me of the VERY liberal journalist Carl Rowan who was a rabid anti-gun person ………….. until he shot someone in his backyard

Monsieur Numbers — First I’m NOT anti-gun, since I own a few. Secondly — Duh.

godless;THREE GUNS!!! Noone NEEDS three guns. You can’t shoot but one at a time!!!!

Two were gifts — one from my father, when I moved to Atlanta, and one from my grand – after I married Dudley.

The third I won in a tournament.

The third one is a rifle — I’ll save that one for you. I have a feeling that you’re not wrapped too tightly and are liable to go off the deep end any day now so I’m ready — I like to be prepared.

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Oh well we can keep pissing in each others pockets venting over this horribly sad event and maybe it’s a temporary fix from the horror of it but soon we must seek real not pretend feel good solutions.

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godless, I hate that you’re leaving just when we were having some fun. Come back when you can.

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“May God have mercy on your soul if you do.”

Because you won’t?

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They BOTH suck:

I merely posted a news article from the local station. If it turns out not to be true then so be it.

However, it doesn’t change the fact that:

“Not everyone is born to be a sheepdog but until the sheep in authority allow the sheepdogs to confront the wolves with deadly force BEFORE “sworn” sheepdogs can arrive then lives will be lost that need not have been.”

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Thanks for linking it. It helps me not think about this tragedy.

No problem — music really does soothe the soul; and right about now I need it and I’m glad to share it with everyone else who may need it too.

And I’ve tried really hard not to learn anything much about this massacre but even so, I just feel so damn awful.

I know — I feel it too. It was so damn SENSELESS!!! It’s like that Sade song, King of Sorrow, you can’t help but to cry everyone’s tears ’cause you feel everyone’s pain.

We’re gonna make it through this, and when we get through crying, we’re gonna kick some NRA AZZ! It’s time to put a stop to this madness!
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SoCoBro: Sitting back and reading the back and forth here is exactly what you said…. just too damn sad. Funny that it’s grown, or at least chronologically grown, assed people here debating like a pack of teenage hyenas.

Your comments are so spot on — I can only give you the affirmative. Word.

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Should any Hollywood movie or television program showing gun violence be banned ?

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Scout

We will see. I don’t know the man to say he is lying. He could be telling it just like it went down, but do you not find it strange that he isn’t getting much corroboration and some on the right are calling it a “liberal media” cover up……

Even Fox News isn’t even running that story.

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Personally I would not dream of depriving the gun manufacturers of their profits. I am perfectly content with imposing adequate taxes, regulations and penalties on gun owners to address my concerns.

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Doggone

I’m with you 100% with that. I can’t understand how somebody can claim to be pro-life in one breath and then cheer the death penalty in the next. I personally don’t think I could ever ask a female that was carrying my child to have an abortion. If it were a life/death situation for the mother, that would be a difficult decision to make then. At the same time, I’m not going to make someone else toe the line to my beliefs. Grown folks can think for themselves. Until God gives me the power to absolve the sins of others, I have to worry about my own first before I try to tackle the sins of others. That’s just how I see it.

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Scout

Question and I’m out for the night. As someone who did police work for numerous years, would an uncorroborated story not have you raising questions? I’m sure based on the known facts, you might investigate further, but would you just take it as fact because it fit a narrative you wanted it to fit?

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a ban is not enough if it does not require the turning in to the police of all the existing ones purchased before any law coming up henceforth.

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Keep

Check out my attack on the “liberal media” at 8:55….

Catch y’all later. I’ve read more than enough of this stuff tonight.

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Let’s take a walk together near the ocean shore
Hand in hand you and I
Let’s cherish every moment we have been given
The time is passing by

I often pray before I lay down
By your side
If you receive your calling before I awake
Could I make it through the night

Cherish the love we have, we should cherish the life we live
Cherish the love, cherish the life, cherish the love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s09LuDYX12g

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