Signs of change on assault weapon ban
U.S. Sen. Joe Manchin, Democrat of West Virginia, generally shies from anything that smacks of liberalism. Last fall, for example, he declined to say publicly that he would vote for Barack Obama. He also campaigned in 2010 by broadcasting a commercial in which he literally shot up an environmental bill, and has earned an A rating from the National Rifle Association for his past opposition to gun-control efforts.
So this means something:
For those unable to view videos, Manchin embraces the idea of renewing a ban on the sale of assault weapons and banning large-capacity magazines, among other steps.
“We’ve never been in these waters before. We’ve had horrific crimes throughout our country but never have we seen so many our our babies out in harms way and their life taken from them, and the grief. I mean, that’s changed me, and has changed most Americans I would think. And with that, let’s look at ways that we can bring a common-sense reasonability to this discussion and bring all the adults to the table.”
Among those whom Manchin wants to invite to the discussion are leaders of the National Rifle Association. “These are good people and they need to be at the table,” Manchin says.
NRA involvement could indeed by useful in forging a compromise. But nothing in its modern history or rhetoric suggests that it was any interest in playing such a role.
– Jay Bookman
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
7:41 pm
Now tell us again who is flinging crap on the subject?
That would still be you.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
7:41 pm
Kam
td is hoping to see you when you meet God?
Guess you are trying to hold off as long as possible
RF
December 17th, 2012
7:42 pm
bman: many schools already have resource officers, who are trained police officers, armed on campus. Universities have entire police departments. It’s all about presence and having the chance to get the jump on a fool like this. Considering his armament, I don’t know that an armed officer on campus could have stopped him. I don’t think having school officers carrying rifles is what we need.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
7:43 pm
BOTH
I’m thinking he’s got a ring-side seat by the fire.
td
December 17th, 2012
7:43 pm
RF
December 17th, 2012
7:38 pm
“Oh yes this is going to make you libs feel better to pass this law.”
“Second, it creates a public discussion of the gun that decreases its popularity in the general population and adds a potential layer of charges and punishments if one is used in a crime”
Those laws are already on the books and Holder has done less prosecution then any other AG has on the current laws.
josef
December 17th, 2012
7:44 pm
K’CHAK
Thanks for the correction…
SOOTH
Oops…thanks to you….
Recon 0311 2533
December 17th, 2012
7:44 pm
I don’t think most conservatives right of center advocate for more guns we advocate for those who own them and who are law abiding citizens. Firearm ownership shouldn’t be for everyone. Those who disapprove of guns it’s perfectly alright not to own one. Those who’re criminals and the criminally insane we want do everything possible to prevent your possession of firearms. Those of you who’re law abiding collectors, sportsman and target shooters we want you to have the unrestricted privledge to possess firearms of any make any caliber and any style.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
7:45 pm
Kam
He will be the official smores by the campfire guy……….
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 17th, 2012
7:46 pm
Mother, mother
There’s too many of you crying
Brother, brother, brother
There’s far too many of you dying
You know we’ve got to find a way
To bring some lovin’ here today – Ya
Father, father
We don’t need to escalate
You see, war is not the answer
For only love can conquer hate
You know we’ve got to find a way
To bring some lovin’ here today
Picket lines and picket signs
Don’t punish me with brutality
Talk to me, so you can see
Oh, what’s going on
What’s going on
Ya, what’s going on
Ah, what’s going on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f39Zs0gB87c
RF
December 17th, 2012
7:46 pm
“Those laws are already on the books”
Yep, and like most laws depends on enforcement, as you point out. Another reason why I don’t think any upcoming legislation will do much more than nibble at the edges of what many see as the problem. It might placate a few, but even if they completely ban a certain type of gun, there are millions out there already. Pandora’s box, you know?
td
December 17th, 2012
7:47 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
7:41 pm
Now tell us again who is flinging crap on the subject?
That would still be you.
Everyone that reads this knows you are such a bed wetter that you would rather see kids die then give them a fighting chance more then give up your philosophical hate of the gun.
josef
December 17th, 2012
7:48 pm
DDR
Hey, Girlfriend. How ya holding up?
RF
December 17th, 2012
7:49 pm
“firearms of any make any caliber and any style.”
I was with you right up to that point….possess whatever number you please, perhaps, but I do think it’s reasonable to pause there. Or at the very least, require stricter licensing, training, and some sort of ongoing follow-up to make sure the owner stays current on training and registration for some types.
josef
December 17th, 2012
7:50 pm
TD
“…your philosophical hate of the gun.”
Given the last few days of argument around here, THAT is funny….
Jackie
December 17th, 2012
7:51 pm
Many do not realize that ALL military designed firearms are for sale.
If you go to a gun show, you can even buy a 50 cal sniper rifle.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Family/7/3/Big-50-Caliber-Guns.htm
Lynnie Gal
December 17th, 2012
7:51 pm
“Christian Conservative” comments: “You fruits still miss the big picture. Humans are violent… Now add the fact that children grow up lacking morals. They have unlimited access to pornography, alcohol, and drugs. Immoral behavior is accepted by society! Will banning guns make it better. That’s an emphatic NO!!!” Well, CC, maybe your children are violent and are growing up lacking morals and have unlimited access to pornography, alcohol and drugs, but that doesn’t characterize the home life of my children nor anyone I know in my community.
Soothsayer
December 17th, 2012
7:52 pm
So, let me see if I’ve got this straight, we need a “Rambo” or Schwarzenegger or Steven Seagal in every schoolhouse in the country? RI-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-IGHT! You Righties don’t make anymore sense now than you did before the election. Maybe that’s why you got your asses handed to you.
Now this here’s the feller we a’guardin’ our skools!
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
7:52 pm
“Everyone that reads this knows you are such a bed wetter that you would rather see kids die then give them a fighting chance more then give up your philosophical hate of the gun.”
This from the same hate filled blogger who told another blogger who doesn’t believe religiously as he does that he wanted to see the look on his face when he met td’s God…………..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
7:53 pm
Given the last few days of argument around here, THAT is funny….
Merely goes to show that it is painfully obvious he doesn’t actually read what is posted here.
liberal hack
December 17th, 2012
7:53 pm
Okay, say you get a ban on selling assault rifles in the US, are we going to stop the manufacturing of such weapons and it’s magazines on our soil, how do you get such weapons out of circulation? Is it even practical to do such? To me, this could be about as impractical as asking 11 million illegals to self deport. I don’t see how we could pull off a manufacturing ban and making it illegal to own an assault rifle. Real questions, not trying to be snarky…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 17th, 2012
7:54 pm
“Reagan and Brady were both shot while being protected by the best armed and best trained security detail on this planet.”
1) You forgot Special Agent McCarthy ………… AGAIN !
2) The point is not so much that they didn’t keep Reagan from being shot (the press didn’t go through magnetometers back then) but that they were there (and armed !) to keep the perpetrator from continuing to shoot had he had a weapon with more rounds.
It’s impossible to keep someone from shooting innocent people ………. the key is to MINIMIZE IT once it starts.
Soothsayer
December 17th, 2012
7:54 pm
You’re welcome, josef.
DDR: I remember the first time I ever heard that song. I was in the downtown Rich’s store. I loved it!
Recon 0311 2533
December 17th, 2012
7:55 pm
“And the line between them is a bit blurry these days.”
RF, not really they’re tens of million guns in the general population and the far greater majority are owned by law abiding citizens. In a country this size with such a huge population of guns of every type and owners of those guns if we truly had a gun problem on the order of the tragedy at Sandy Hook , you would be hearing about several similar incidents across the country daily.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 17th, 2012
7:55 pm
hiya josef!
I’m doing o.k. — but I’m in agreement with St. Simmons. I’m astounded that there are people on this blog who are fighting tooth and nail against ANY regulations toward gun control.
I guess it won’t matter to them until it’s one of their family — until then, they spout trite words of condolences then go and clean their guns.
It’s ridiculous.
TaxPayer
December 17th, 2012
7:55 pm
Td seems to be trying to lay blame of the deaths of those children on those without guns. That’s quite the perverted logic at work there.
josef
December 17th, 2012
7:58 pm
K’CHAK
Ain’t it the truth! But, doncha know, you and Doggone are liberals, you can’t possible be NRA Fifth Columniss (just kidding, just kidding…well, sorta!
)
TaxPayer
December 17th, 2012
7:58 pm
The cons have clearly let their emotions win over facts. Kyle must be truly disappointed in you cons. You have let him down.
td
December 17th, 2012
7:59 pm
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
7:52 pm
“Everyone that reads this knows you are such a bed wetter that you would rather see kids die then give them a fighting chance more then give up your philosophical hate of the gun.”
This from the same hate filled blogger who told another blogger who doesn’t believe religiously as he does that he wanted to see the look on his face when he met td’s God…
And your point is what? Is your point that I will find some pleasure in a secular humanist having his or her judgement day when they have spent their whole adult life in running down my beliefs? Absolutely I will. Is that the right attitude? No. So what?
The GOV
December 17th, 2012
7:59 pm
Isn’t “Christian Conservative” an oxymoron?
Maybe it’s just a moron.
RF
December 17th, 2012
7:59 pm
@Sooth 7:52- gotta love that Seagal!! Did you ever notice in that scene that the car is in Park the whole time? I always love in the movies when some stage guy forgets to move the gear shift.
And I had one of them Crown Vic tanks once upon a time. Pretty durable, but not nearly that good at handling, even on a dry day!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
7:59 pm
You forgot Special Agent McCarthy ………… AGAIN !
Was Special Agent McCarthy being protected by said security detail?
liberal hack
December 17th, 2012
7:59 pm
I’m not saying an assault rifle ban isn’t the way to go, I’m not sure why we should have such weapons but we do?
Ask yourself this, the most recent mass murder by those who used assault rifles especially since 1999 at Columbine those horrific event all have occurred at locations where you can not carry weapons on the premises. Why is that?
Another thing, how come we don’t have fully trained armed personnel at these vunerable places ready to take out those individuals/ groups that want to do such things? I’d be for a 3-5 person “swat team” assigned to each school to respond to such incidents and to provide security…
Aquagirl
December 17th, 2012
8:00 pm
Those of you who’re law abiding collectors, sportsman and target shooters we want you to have the unrestricted privledge to possess firearms of any make any caliber and any style.
God forbid we interfere with your right to be shot in the face with your own gun, which will then be used by your mentally ill son to murder schoolchildren. That doesn’t affect anyone but you, so enjoy your stiffy guilt-free.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
8:03 pm
td
Thanks for my confirming your great testimony and very unlike Christian behavior. Bet your God is smiling down right now as you continue to be such a great example…………
You should be a preacher.
Soothsayer
December 17th, 2012
8:03 pm
Friends, it’s time to take a hard look at ourselves as a nation. What are we?
We are nation of war. We are nation of inequality. We are a nation of gratuitous violence on television and in our movies. We are a nation controlled by powerful special interests and corporations who have bought and paid for our elected officials.
But, first and foremost, we are — by and large — a nation of apathy. We want “someone else” to do it for us. As long as it doesn’t affect us personally, we don’t want to be bothered.
Our leaders have found a way to have never-ending war without it really affecting most of the populace. Our leaders have found a way to turn the mentally ill out into the streets without any public outcry. We can only bemoan these tragedies after the fact.
BRW
December 17th, 2012
8:04 pm
Nunna, My point made. Using this event to hammer abortion rights, impossible and stupid. Just like your rambling retort.
bman.
December 17th, 2012
8:04 pm
“I don’t know that an armed officer on campus could have stopped him.”
RF.. .. These guys are not looking for a gunfight. That’s why they choose places like schools. In fact, when the sirens and guns are on the way, they take their own life.
So, maybe an armed officer could not have stopped him. Maybe he wouldn’t have had to…
RF
December 17th, 2012
8:04 pm
“if we truly had a gun problem on the order of the tragedy at Sandy Hook , you would be hearing about several similar incidents across the country daily.”
Very true. It’s like the story about the bad teacher- all it takes is one and suddenly we’re all under the microscope.
I know a lot of responsible owners out there. I asked my dad, who grew up hunting and only quit going when arthritis made it too painful, how he felt about all the ruckus over the large clip, assault rifles, etc. He said, “son, if you’re good, you only need one shot per target. All the rest is just compensation for those who probably shouldn’t be holding a gun anyway.”
td
December 17th, 2012
8:04 pm
TaxPayer
December 17th, 2012
7:55 pm
Td seems to be trying to lay blame of the deaths of those children on those without guns. That’s quite the perverted logic at work there.
You would be wrong with that assumption. When crazy people want to do harm to others there is not much that can really be done. When you leftest get on blogs and not want to give people at least a fighting chance because you live in some type of fantasy world and believe if we could only get rid of these bad guns then this would never happen again then it is just as crazy.
saywhat?
December 17th, 2012
8:06 pm
Australia, England, Japan, all provide concrete examples of what could be done to decrease the frequency of mass killings and gun violence.
Some of us have the courage to try and make it happen.
The rest are happy to make inumerable excuses why it can’t be done, or shouldn’t be done. I haven’t read a single excuse, false equivalency or deflection which didn’t fall flat when held up to the evidence that exist plainly for all to see.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 17th, 2012
8:07 pm
Hiya Sooth — they were playing that song earlier — I thought it fit my mood. Great song by Mr. Gaye, he had a way of putting things into a simple context.
I remember when Rich’s was downtown. My auntie used to live here in Atlanta, and I’d visit her twice a year – she’d take me to Rich’s in the basement every friday for the “Really Big Sale!”
We’d rack up on shoes, clothes, and HATS! My auntie used to LOVE hats!
josef
December 17th, 2012
8:07 pm
BOTH
“You should be a preacher.”
He’s not? Coulda fooled me…
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
8:07 pm
“CC, You and your “X-tians” give up all your guns and I’ll give up my personal abortion rights, since I’m a man. You’d do that to save “one” fetus, right?”
Since your comment is ridiculous in the first place, of course it’s everyone else that is stupid. Hypocrite.
RF
December 17th, 2012
8:08 pm
“So, maybe an armed officer could not have stopped him. Maybe he wouldn’t have had to…”
Even if there were an armed officer, you’re right that the speed of response by the local authorities is key to stopping such an event. What is perhaps more important than an officer is simply someone who can call 911 or have a silent alarm button. The speed and noise of response is probably what prevented this kid from even greater carnage.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
8:09 pm
“Australia, England, Japan, all provide concrete examples of what could be done to decrease the frequency of mass killings and gun violence.”
Yeah, they just use explosives and nerve gas.
BRW
December 17th, 2012
8:11 pm
Why ridiculous? Is saving one not enough for you? How many would it take hypocrit? It wasn’t directed at you, unless you are CC.
RF
December 17th, 2012
8:11 pm
“I remember when Rich’s was downtown.”
My dad worked for Rich’s for over twenty years, most of them in the downtown store. My favorite thing to do was go visit him and get the “behind the scenes” tour and then eat on the bridge over Forsyth. He ended up bringing home one of the magnolias that sat in pots outside the Magnolia Room. The last time I was over by the old family land, it was still there.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
8:11 pm
josef
You have a point. I’m thinking a Robertson, Swagert, Bakker or even a Fawell type………..
Maybe some combination with a heavy does of Fawell
td
December 17th, 2012
8:12 pm
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
8:03 pm
td
Thanks for my confirming your great testimony and very unlike Christian behavior. Bet your God is smiling down right now as you continue to be such a great example…………
You should be a preacher.
I know I am not perfect, by any means. I am human that means I sin daily and fall short of the glory of God. It is my duty to attempt to live, to the best of my sinful ability, as close a life to glorify God and to tell the unsaved about what type of eternal life is available to them if the choose to accept the facts.
If you choose not to believe for whatever reason then that is on you and you will have to face the consequences of your actions one day. I will not be accountable for your free willed choice.
bman.
December 17th, 2012
8:12 pm
“What is perhaps more important than an officer is simply someone who can call 911 or have a silent alarm button.”
Wouldn’t that sort of be part of the officer’s work description?
Soothsayer
December 17th, 2012
8:13 pm
ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN LIFTED, PRESIDENT PROCLAIMS “FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY, WE’RE FREE TO MINCE BAMBI INTO KIBBLES ‘N BITS WITH AK-47′S AT LAST!”
THE PRESIDENT: Ten years ago, my predecessor Bill Clinton (damned Democrat) took it upon himself to gut the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution by imposing a ban on so-called “assault weapons.”
NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Rehnquist Supreme Court, do hereby proclaim that effective Monday, September 14, 2001, machine gun buying privileges are permanently expanded to include whatsoever high school dropout, paranoid survivalist nutjob, gangbanger, dittohead, disgruntled postal worker, or aspiring young Timothy McVeigh-of-Tomorrow who’s jonesing for some serious kill power.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
8:13 pm
Because you don’t have “one fetus” obviously, unless you’ve been re-engineered by some previously unknown technology.
BRW
December 17th, 2012
8:13 pm
“Yeah, they just use explosives and nerve gas”
Talk about ridiculous. I suppose those are on the shelf at the Japanese Bass Pro Shops, right? All legal and stuff? Hypocrite.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
8:13 pm
So, maybe an armed officer could not have stopped him. Maybe he wouldn’t have had to…
So, maybe Candice Swanapoel will meet me at The Holiday Inn Express tonight.
Maybe….
BRW
December 17th, 2012
8:14 pm
And how do you know I don’t have a wife that’s expecting smart guy?
RF
December 17th, 2012
8:14 pm
“You have a point. I’m thinking a Robertson, Swagert, Bakker or even a Fawell type”
That would just be….awwwwful!! Entertaining, I’m sure, but awful. Speaking of preachers, what’s up with the purple-haired Tammy Faye look alike on TV these days? Did she not get the memo about twenty years ago?
The GOV
December 17th, 2012
8:15 pm
“Another thing, how come we don’t have fully trained armed personnel at these vunerable places ready to take out those individuals/ groups that want to do such things? I’d be for a 3-5 person “swat team” assigned to each school to respond to such incidents and to provide security…”
The company I work for is a “gun free zone”. Will private enterprise get in on this?
Recon 0311 2533
December 17th, 2012
8:15 pm
“God forbid we interfere with your right to be shot in the face with your own gun, which will then be used by your mentally ill son to murder schoolchildren. That doesn’t affect anyone but you, so enjoy your stiffy guilt-free.”
Little fool I’m 70 years old and fortunately do not have mentally ill children. If I did have them living in my home I would take the necessary precautions to be certain they didn’t cause harm to anyone due to my own irresponsibility.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
8:16 pm
. I’m astounded that there are people on this blog who are fighting tooth and nail against ANY regulations toward gun control.
The stupid is strong here today. FYI, firearms are highly regulated. Go buy one, if you even qualify.
Anyone here argued against ANY gun control legislation? ANYONE?? Many have argued against additional stupid laws that will do nothing to prevent another incident such as occurred Friday.
bman.
December 17th, 2012
8:16 pm
“So, maybe Candice Swanapoel will meet me at The Holiday Inn Express tonight.”
Kam .. .. maybe.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
8:16 pm
td
Thanks, you have posted that trip before. Nothing new…
Work on that hate that you tend to exhibit. That might be a great first step regardless of your religious beliefs and faith.
And don’t forget to put another log on the fire for your smores gig
RF
December 17th, 2012
8:17 pm
“I will not be accountable for your free willed choice”
Just responsible for pointing out that choice at every available opportunity. Pointing out the “choice” slides on down to plain old critical judgment rather quickly, if you’re not careful.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
8:17 pm
The company I work for is a “gun free zone”. Will private enterprise get in on this?
I hope you don’t have a big sign out front announcing this.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
8:17 pm
tripe…………….. sure isn’t much of a trip
guy
December 17th, 2012
8:18 pm
Ban these assault weapons now.I totally agree. These sick folks will sadly find other ways to achieve their terroristic ways. Then we can start on that problem. Satan never sleeps!
Jose
December 17th, 2012
8:18 pm
How many children died after Hitler confiscated guns for his new “civilized” society?
When the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment, one of the reasons was to keep the government in check. They had no idea that some day marijuana would be illegal and that doctors would be prescribing Prozac.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
8:18 pm
BRW – try to focus. Are you saying that the Japanese subway nerve gas attack didn’t happen? Are you saying that the British bus and subway bombings didn’t happen?
Oh, and if your wife is expecting, according to all the talk on this blog, you have no right whatsoever to interfere with her pregnancy (which I would concur with). The fetus isn’t yours to “offer.” Maybe you should move to the Yucatan so you can practice your baby sacrifice with impunity on the deserted altars there.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 17th, 2012
8:22 pm
“Was Special Agent McCarthy being protected by said security detail?”
Yes ………… we always protect each other (that’s why the USSS follow-up vehicle and other Secret Service vehicles in the motorcade are armored) and by doing so ensure that the maximum number of agents are available to continue protecting the President even in a crisis such as that.
(Special note: The press van is not armored.)
Brady did not have a protective detail so next time you can omit his name (or not).
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
8:22 pm
How many children died after Hitler confiscated guns for his new “civilized” society?
How many died after Hitler started painting landscapes?
BRW
December 17th, 2012
8:22 pm
Weak Nunna, weak. In case your little head can’t wrap around it the items you point out are not readily available because of there propensity to do bad things. If you want to compare bad people using them to guns then you have to own it all, hypocrite.
Again, one is not enough?
Recon 0311 2533
December 17th, 2012
8:23 pm
“He said, “son, if you’re good, you only need one shot per target. All the rest is just compensation for those who probably shouldn’t be holding a gun anyway.”
RF, wise words from an accomplished hunter. The collectors on the other hand see their respective hobbies differently and so long as they’re all law abiding they’re different perspectives are fine with me.
zeke
December 17th, 2012
8:25 pm
Assault weapons have been illegal to own for, for, forever! If you know not what an assault weapon is, you know not how to have this conversation! Just because a gun looks like an AK or AR or Uzi does not make it an assault weapon!
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 17th, 2012
8:25 pm
AqGirl: God forbid we interfere with your right to be shot in the face with your own gun, which will then be used by your mentally ill son to murder schoolchildren. That doesn’t affect anyone but you, so enjoy your stiffy guilt-free.
Did you read the post a mother did on her son’s mental illness? It paints another picture of the fear that some parents go through when they have mentally challenged children, who are prone to violence.
Its called “I am Adam Lanza’s Mother”. It’s a very good read:
Liza Long, a writer based in Boise, says it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.
While every family’s story of mental illness is different, and we may never know the whole of the Lanzas’ story, tales like this one need to be heard — and families who live them deserve our help. ……………………..I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.
A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan — they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to.
td
December 17th, 2012
8:25 pm
RF
December 17th, 2012
8:17 pm
“I will not be accountable for your free willed choice”
Just responsible for pointing out that choice at every available opportunity. Pointing out the “choice” slides on down to plain old critical judgment rather quickly, if you’re not careful.
Wrong.
Matthew 28:
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
8:26 pm
And since many here contend that armed security would not prevent such an incident, I suggest you waltz into the local courthouse, bank, Governor’s office, or the White House and whip out a toy rifle and start pointing it around? Say bang to yourself rapidly and see how many “shots” you get off.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
8:27 pm
Wasn’t the intent of the example to show how vastly superior the UK, Japan and Autstralia were because of their firearm restrictions? The underground is still going to have guns in America, even if they confiscate all the guns from law abiding citizens. Maybe you can offer yourself up (and your mysterious fetus) to those with evil intent, and they will spare the rest of the world. Just think of what a hero you’d be.
JamVet
December 17th, 2012
8:29 pm
It is my duty to attempt to live, to the best of my sinful ability, as close a life to glorify God…
Wow.
Just wow.
The guy who would execute women for having abortions is “glorifying god”.
Talk about a complete fraud.
Gandhi was right. Our Christians are so unlike Christ.
Crazy Peeps
December 17th, 2012
8:29 pm
I’m gonna go out on a limb, but not too far, and say the ongoing four year recession has a lot to do with the increase in these mass killings.
Psychopaths will always be probed to violence, and there is never an excuse.
But it’s possible some of these events would’ve been avoided in better times. And both parties are to blame for the recession. But the buck stops at the president’s desk.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
8:31 pm
JamVet – CC promotes execution of women having abortions? I was not aware of that, but I am relatively new around these parts.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
8:31 pm
I read what I could find about Ms. Lanza. Only evidence about her being a survivorist was a comment she made to a friend about preparing for economic collapse.
She had taken up target shooting as a hobby. She didn’t have to work, so she had a hobby.
She struggled with her son. She, not being a trained mental health professional, probably had no idea troubled her son was, or she was in denial.
She was murdered in her bed. She had family and friends who are also grieving. I’ve read here today that she got what she deserved. Really?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
8:32 pm
Say bang to yourself rapidly and see how many “shots” you get off.
How many “shots” did John Hinckley, Jr. “get off”?
Recon 0311 2533
December 17th, 2012
8:33 pm
zeke,
You’re correct…true military shoulder assault weapons have a selector for semi-automatic fire or automatic fire either fully automatic or 2 to 3 round bursts. Automatic weapons can only be possessed by private citizens with special licensing permits. Typically the collector as you won’t find many shooting ranges that allow automatic weapons.
The Thin Guy
December 17th, 2012
8:34 pm
The real explanation emerges
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/17/adam_lanza_was_a_vegan/
Triple Baconators are good for the soul.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
8:34 pm
Kam – 5 or 6 wasn’t it?
Josef
December 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
Both…
That ” I have sinned” answer had a Fallwell aura!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
Typically the collector as you won’t find many shooting ranges that allow automatic weapons.
Both indoor ranges I shoot at will rent them to you.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
You need Civics 101 if you posted:
When the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment, one of the reasons was to keep the government in check.
Just saying………
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
The guy who would execute women for having abortions is “glorifying god”.
Remember, Jam. You can’t spell turd with a t and a d.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
8:36 pm
without, dammit!
Oscar
December 17th, 2012
8:37 pm
Reports are that the shooter became more disturbed in the last few weeks, and was burning himself last week, When someone starts injuring himself, it’s time to take him to a mental facility for observation.
We need more education on mental illness and warning signs.
Soothsayer
December 17th, 2012
8:37 pm
godless: Nancy Lanza was a self-professed survivalist and doomsday prepper. Her son was a diagnosed Asperger Syndrome sufferer. Nancy Lanza was a gun person. The mistake she made was not keeping her guns in a safe with a combination lock.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
8:39 pm
How many “shots” did John Hinckley, Jr. “get off”?
6. How many people did he kill?
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
8:40 pm
godless: Nancy Lanza was a self-professed survivalist and doomsday prepper.
Citation please.
JamVet
December 17th, 2012
8:40 pm
Nunna, the man is certifiable:
td
December 15th, 2012
10:23 pm
After the law is changed (outlawing abortion) I would hope their are penalties in place to fit the crime. Personally I would advocate a murder change and since it would be with malice and could have been prevented in the first place then the death penalty would certainly be on the table.
Glory to god in the highest, huh?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
8:41 pm
How many people did he kill?
Moving the goalposts.
Your original point was about how many were fired.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
8:42 pm
Sounds like he might need a few laxatives. He might be holding things in too much.
godless heathen - Law Abiding Citizen
December 17th, 2012
8:42 pm
Nancy Lanza was a gun person. The mistake she made was not keeping her guns in a safe with a combination lock.
If using poor judgement or being a poor parent, is a justification to be killed, you are one sick individual.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
8:43 pm
godless @ 8:53
Amen
td
December 17th, 2012
8:43 pm
JamVet
December 17th, 2012
8:40 pm
Nunna, the man is certifiable:
td
December 15th, 2012
10:23 pm
After the law is changed (outlawing abortion) I would hope their are penalties in place to fit the crime. Personally I would advocate a murder change and since it would be with malice and could have been prevented in the first place then the death penalty would certainly be on the table.
Glory to god in the highest, huh?
And your point is? Do we not now have the death penalty for malice murder?
Recon 0311 2533
December 17th, 2012
8:43 pm
“The mistake she made was not keeping her guns in a safe with a combination lock.”
Worse yet she took her son to the shooting range and taught him how to operate and effectively shoot firearms, evidently in a mothers effort to bond with her mentally disturbed son. This was truly a sad story that demands examination from a variety of perspectives beyond just simply passing feel good gun laws.