Signs of change on assault weapon ban
U.S. Sen. Joe Manchin, Democrat of West Virginia, generally shies from anything that smacks of liberalism. Last fall, for example, he declined to say publicly that he would vote for Barack Obama. He also campaigned in 2010 by broadcasting a commercial in which he literally shot up an environmental bill, and has earned an A rating from the National Rifle Association for his past opposition to gun-control efforts.
So this means something:
For those unable to view videos, Manchin embraces the idea of renewing a ban on the sale of assault weapons and banning large-capacity magazines, among other steps.
“We’ve never been in these waters before. We’ve had horrific crimes throughout our country but never have we seen so many our our babies out in harms way and their life taken from them, and the grief. I mean, that’s changed me, and has changed most Americans I would think. And with that, let’s look at ways that we can bring a common-sense reasonability to this discussion and bring all the adults to the table.”
Among those whom Manchin wants to invite to the discussion are leaders of the National Rifle Association. “These are good people and they need to be at the table,” Manchin says.
NRA involvement could indeed by useful in forging a compromise. But nothing in its modern history or rhetoric suggests that it was any interest in playing such a role.
– Jay Bookman
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Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:02 pm
GT, let’s incarcerate all Klingons immediately.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:03 pm
indigo
That is your belief and you are welcome to it…it’s not mine…but I’m not out to convert you to my way of thinking…
JamVet
December 17th, 2012
6:03 pm
Keith your ignorance about the laws that Hitler enacted and the laws in this country could fill volumes.
And once again for our Christian fascists here, Hitler believed that imprisonment and the death penalty for women who had abortions and their doctors was a great idea too.
Also he hated outlawed labor unions.
Doesn’t sound like much of a liberal, does he? LOL!
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:04 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten, you nailed it. Throw in a few gun totem whiskey drinking Baptist and you have just completed roll call below the Mason Dixon line.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
6:04 pm
Hitler thought gun control was a great idea too.
Hitler also painted landscapes.
Didnt turn out very well for lots of exterminated people did it?
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
6:04 pm
“but I’m not out to convert you to my way of thinking…”
Yes you can get a witness. Tell it all brother, tell it all…………
Jackie
December 17th, 2012
6:05 pm
The assault weapons ban expired in 2004 and we have elected members of the House and Senate since that time who have still refused to act in the best interest of their constituents.
Can anyone justify have an AR-15 (semi-automatic M-16) with a 20 round clip in the name of self-protection?
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:06 pm
I dont believe I posted anything about Hitler being liberal. The fact remains that he enacted gun control laws that helped him exterminate millions of people. You are imagining things that were not posted on here. Still in a stupor over dear leaders reelection.
Christian Conservative
December 17th, 2012
6:06 pm
Come on libs you with me or not! Lets repeal the 2nd amendment!!!!! That’s what ya’ll want…
JamVet
December 17th, 2012
6:07 pm
Can I get a witness?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7B5jXYRy3Q
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:08 pm
Since we are sharing the wisdom of TV programs and movies, I will share one of the wisest sayings I have heard in a movie.
The dad, in “Home for the Holidays.” “Opinions are like a-holes…everyone’s got one and they think everyone else’s stink.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
6:09 pm
Since we are sharing the wisdom of TV programs and movies, I will share one of the wisest sayings I have heard in a movie….
…you’ll shoot your eye out!
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:09 pm
keith word is Hitler is the next GOP VP running mate…
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:09 pm
CC
Was just making the comment that the ACLU, Democrats and Baptists don’t all fit into your nice little pigeonholes…and some of them sponsor Bible study in the after school programs of the public schools…
MATTI
getalife
He impressed me favorably with that address and it was the proper venue and occasion for him to speak in terms of his faith…
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:10 pm
CC God’s not even with you how can we be?
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:11 pm
GT – this is where Doggone says “judge not”.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:11 pm
Hitler was a vegetarian, too…hmmmm…..
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:13 pm
Why should we have to “justify” our Constitutionally guaranteed rights to you, Bookman or anyone else? iI doubt Bookman would like the govt to start infringing of his rights to publish his garbage in liberal rags.
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:13 pm
Hell half the south would vote for Hitler not knowing anything about him, who am I to judge such wisdom.
Erwin's cat
December 17th, 2012
6:13 pm
Since we are sharing the wisdom of TV programs and movies, I will share one of the wisest sayings I have heard in a movie….
…you’ll shoot your eye out!
“I’ll take all the cash in the drawer…and these here Huggies”
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
6:14 pm
Keith
Who asked you to justify anything?
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:14 pm
I like “Randy laid there like a slug. It was his only defense.”
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:14 pm
GT He might do a better job than what we have now.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
“You go back in there and get me a baby. She’s got five, She won’t miss one.”
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
You interpretation of the 2nd just about guarantees the only people left standing are going to be the 2nd amendment crowd or at least for a while, I figure the last guy left will commit suicide thus turning out the lights.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
6:16 pm
GT
Know that post about Hitler and the south is as asinine as those on the right with their false equivalences via Hitler quotes………
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:16 pm
Jackie asked to justify owning a semi auto weapon.
Thomas
December 17th, 2012
6:16 pm
Missing the point here- I don’t think the insane guy used automatic weapons-
Culprit is the prescription cocktail-
Hate the conversation “was he insane?” “well, my dear, of course he was- by definition”
Old Goober
December 17th, 2012
6:16 pm
We lost a hero today:
On April 21, 1945, Inouye was grievously wounded while leading an assault on a heavily-defended ridge near San Terenzo in Tuscany, Italy called Colle Musatello. The ridge served as a strongpoint along the strip of German fortifications known as the Gothic Line, which represented the last and most dogged line of German defensive works in Italy. As he led his platoon in a flanking maneuver, three German machine guns opened fire from covered positions just 40 yards away, pinning his men to the ground. Inouye stood up to attack and was shot in the stomach; ignoring his wound, he proceeded to attack and destroy the first machine gun nest with hand grenades and fire from his Thompson submachine gun. After being informed of the severity of his wound by his platoon sergeant, he refused treatment and rallied his men for an attack on the second machine gun position, which he also successfully destroyed before collapsing from blood loss.
As his squad distracted the third machine gunner, Inouye crawled toward the final bunker, eventually drawing within 10 yards. As he raised himself up and cocked his arm to throw his last grenade into the fighting position, a German inside fired a rifle grenade that struck him on the right elbow, severing most of his arm and leaving his own primed grenade reflexively “clenched in a fist that suddenly didn’t belong to me anymore”.Inouye’s horrified soldiers moved to his aid, but he shouted for them to keep back out of fear his severed fist would involuntarily relax and drop the grenade. As the German inside the bunker reloaded his rifle, Inouye pried the live grenade from his useless right hand and transferred it to his left. As the German aimed his rifle to finish him off, Inouye tossed the grenade off-hand into the bunker and destroyed it. He stumbled to his feet and continued forward, silencing the last German resistance with a one-handed burst from his Thompson before being wounded in the leg and tumbling unconscious to the bottom of the ridge. When he awoke to see the concerned men of his platoon hovering over him, his only comment before being carried away was to gruffly order them to return to their positions, since, as he pointed out, “nobody called off the war!”
RIP, Senator.
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:17 pm
keith somehow I expected that much from you. Guess you are not Jewish, too dumb.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:18 pm
joseph – “tern ta tha right.”
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
6:18 pm
keith
excuse me, but was she asking based on the 2nd amendment itself or the the use of one……….
Note: I am not for banning of guns
Doggone/GA
December 17th, 2012
6:20 pm
“GT – this is where Doggone says “judge not”.”
You don’t have my permission to speak for me. You have enough trouble just speaking for youself. Stick to that.
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:20 pm
You were the idiot that claimed he was running as a GOP candidate. Guess you know your history as well as you know about guns. HITLER IS DEAD DUMMY. LOL
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:20 pm
They both suck, so you are saying Palin would have made a better VP than Hitler, now there is a debate and probably another SNL skit.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:21 pm
BOTH
@ 6:16
Word.
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:21 pm
You asked who wanted it justified. i answered you/
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:21 pm
Just going off your prior examples Doggone.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:22 pm
You don’t have my permission to insult me. So there.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
6:23 pm
GT
I repeat, to say that half the south would vote for Hitler is asinine…………. And throwing in Palin means exactly what to your assertion about Hitler?
And so you know, Palin wouldn’t have been my 100th choice, but Hitler? Really?
Aquagirl
December 17th, 2012
6:23 pm
The NRA has cut and run. Cowards hiding behind their guns….who’da thunk it?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/nra-facebook-page-disappears-following-sandy-hook-killings-190101881.html
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:23 pm
Once obamalamadingdong finished bankrupting the country and his supporters can no longer rely on welfare what will they do? Die.
Doggone/GA
December 17th, 2012
6:23 pm
“Just going off your prior examples Doggone”
Stick to what you know. You don’t know me.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
6:23 pm
You were the idiot that claimed he was running as a GOP candidate. Guess you know your history as well as you know about guns. HITLER IS DEAD DUMMY. LOL
Tick…tick…tick….
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:23 pm
Old Goober
Thanks for that post…
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:24 pm
Keith there are some Republicans who will tell you that is a lie, they have seen Hitler hanging at the “stand you ground” convention in Fla. Actually several Hitlers.
Jackie
December 17th, 2012
6:25 pm
Using the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution as a backdrop for justifying owning ANY type of gun is preposterous.
If one looks at the letter of the Amendment and the spirit of the Amendment, it is easily determined the 2nd Amendment was used as a means of the 13 colonies to protect themselves from the tyranny of the king(government).
Are we faced with the tyranny of those animals hunted by anyone? are we afraid that deers and ducks will rise up and take away of rights to enjoy and practice our citizenship rights?
Christian Conservative
December 17th, 2012
6:25 pm
I’m thinking we should go after sling shots to…. maybe I’m over thinking this using emotion????
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:25 pm
Back at ya Doggone. You’re the one who presumed to know who I was “judging”, although I had not identified any specific person. You are quite presumptuous.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:25 pm
BOTH
Give our boy, GT, his credit…it used to be it was ALL the South he took his swipes at. Now it’s only half. He’s evolving!
BRW
December 17th, 2012
6:26 pm
CC, You and your “X-tians” give up all your guns and I’ll give up my personal abortion rights, since I’m a man. You’d do that to save “one” fetus, right?
Doggone/GA
December 17th, 2012
6:26 pm
“You’re the one who presumed to know who I was “judging”, ”
and where did I identify a “who” – you were judging WITHOUT knowing who
or why
Erwin's cat
December 17th, 2012
6:26 pm
Soon as I get home, first thing I’m gonna do is punch yo mamma in da mouth!
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:27 pm
NRAs Facebook page is still on. Another leftwing myth.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:27 pm
GT
An interesting thing which JAY will verify. Our periodic bona fide Nazi visitor who comes calling on the verandah is from Pennsylvania. That’s Up Nawth, isn’t it?
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:28 pm
I appreciate the supreme compliment Col. josef.
Aquagirl
December 17th, 2012
6:28 pm
are we afraid that deers and ducks will rise up and take away of rights to enjoy and practice our citizenship rights?
I sure don’t trust those shifty little b@stards.
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:28 pm
GT you need a shrink.
getalife
December 17th, 2012
6:28 pm
American are buying up assault rifles thinking our President will lead to ban them again.
He won’t.
The 9mm and 10mm are just as deadly short range.
He knows the gop would kill the bill but the Dems will have to try.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:29 pm
I enumerated a specific class of individuals that I THOUGHT may have some ’splainin to do at the end of their lives. You went all nutcase after that. Good day.
JamVet
December 17th, 2012
6:29 pm
One of the good guys is gone.
Long live progessivism…
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local-obituaries/jesse-hill-atlantas-practical-voice-of-progress/nTYTF/
Jackie
December 17th, 2012
6:29 pm
@keith
Wonder how you come up with the assertion that all Obama supporters are on welfare? Sounds to me that your piece of the corporate welfare pie is quite substantial?
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:29 pm
The 2A has nothing to do with hunting.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
6:30 pm
Our periodic bona fide Nazi visitor who comes calling on the verandah is from Pennsylvania.
That particular individual hasn’t returned since that first visit. At least not that I know of.
getalife
December 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
cnn is covering the victims instead of the shooter.
They are even showing emotion.
Looks like the new President is changing cnn.
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
Josef I love the phase periodic bona fide, reminds me of a friend’s wife, she was a yankee too.
Jackie
December 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
@Aquagirl
The deers and ducks will run out and what or whom will be selected next?
Erwin's cat
December 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
He knows the gop would kill the bill but the Dems will have to try.
theater, like…. real politicians of DC should be a reality a show….wait
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
ohbummer gives things away and people like you are very happy to take what others provide for you. He is afterall the food stamp president. he is smart. get you to vote for him by keep;ing you on govt assistance. you need him.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
GT
Ah, say tha-uh, Son… but, nyanh…I turned down the invitation to become a colonel..
Aquagirl
December 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
NRAs Facebook page is still on. Another leftwing myth.
The wiki entry is up by default but the NRA has hidden their page.
BTW Keith, if you can’t find your way around facebook turn in your guns before somebody gets hurt.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
Soon as I get home, first thing I’m gonna do is punch yo mamma in da mouth!
______________________________
Daddy! Wait! Who’s going to hold your hat?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
6:34 pm
ohbummer gives things away and people like you are very happy to take what others provide for you. He is afterall the food stamp president. he is smart. get you to vote for him by keep;ing you on govt assistance. you need him.
drudgey spam in 5 sentences.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:35 pm
K’chak
He came back in the other night…Jay promptly sent him packing…
getalife
December 17th, 2012
6:35 pm
keith,
See a shrink for your ODS.
JamVet
December 17th, 2012
6:35 pm
NRAs Facebook page is still on. Another leftwing myth.
You do not know what you are writing about. And you embarrass yourself with your incessant ignorance.
They BOTH suck
December 17th, 2012
6:36 pm
EC
Junior: [waiting for the "funeral procession] Damn, he had a lot of friends, didn’t he?
Buford T. Justice: If they’d a cremated the sum-bit&%. I could be kickin’ that Mr. Bandit’s a$$ around the moon by now.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 17th, 2012
6:36 pm
josef
“He”?
The original posted as a female.
Jackie
December 17th, 2012
6:37 pm
@keith
Again, you probably receive more from the government than most of us as you seem to know quite a bit about “giveaways.”
You may want to look at what YOU classify as a give away as Social Security is a benefit paid for by those who pay for it and their is a means test in place.
No doubt, you have figured all this out by yourself, or, by looking at much television.
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:37 pm
The NRA was probably getting spammed by leftwing kooks. They dont have much else to do with their time since they dont have to work.
godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me
December 17th, 2012
6:38 pm
Looks like a new euphemism is arising. (title of the Sen. Munchkin video). What used to be gun control laws are now going to be called gun safety laws.
I do believe that every gun should have a fully functional safety but I think the manufacturers have already taken care of that detail.
Jerome Horwitz
December 17th, 2012
6:38 pm
RIP Sen Inouye – Go For Broke! Figure he was a member of the 442nd Nissei. The most decorated unit in WWII.
getalife
December 17th, 2012
6:38 pm
cat,
Well it did pass before and if they win the house, it will pass again.
Reid ask for ideas so it is all they got right now.
BRW
December 17th, 2012
6:38 pm
Come on CC, pony up. All your X-tians guns for one fetus. It’s the right thing to do.
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:39 pm
Jackie, I have a job and pay taxes to provide free stuff for obamabums.
GT
December 17th, 2012
6:40 pm
Josef you have been drafted sir and as I check out I leave your training to the irrepressable General Aquagirl the first female southern general that when she is not calling you boys a shifty litte b… is a delightful lady.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:40 pm
K’Chak
Now that you mention it, I recall that, too…may have been a she this time, too…my slip…but Jay verified it was one and the same…
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:40 pm
BRW – offer rejected due to lack of consideration on your part.
Jackie
December 17th, 2012
6:40 pm
RIP Sen Inouye (D-HI), WWII vet.
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:41 pm
Thanks to gunban kooks those evil black rifles are selling out all over the place. Great investment. Buy now for 600 dollars. In a year put an ad in the paper selling it for 4 times that.
BRW
December 17th, 2012
6:41 pm
Nunna, Offer was not extended to you. Speak when spoken to.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:42 pm
GT
Me? I like Aquagirl…but then I’m partial to feisty Steel Magnolias…
Jackie
December 17th, 2012
6:42 pm
@keith
I have a job a pay taxes to provide the ability of the US government to function so that you too can have your Constitutional rights.
What is the import of your statement?
Nunna Yobinnes
December 17th, 2012
6:43 pm
You didn’t make an offer to anyone, as your proposed share of the consideration exchanged was an impossibility. I simply responded to the obvious.
keith
December 17th, 2012
6:43 pm
Anyone seen the vent today? Pro gun vents are much more popular than anti gun vents.
MiltonMan
December 17th, 2012
6:44 pm
Let’s just ignore the mental unstable that lurk in society, let’s just ignore the Gothic loons roaming around, let’s just ignore the violent video games & movies, etc., etc. – Let’s go after guns!
Do you clowns realize that the idiot Timothy McVeigh killed 19 kids with fertilizer, diesel fuel & and a rental truck. Why don’t we ban those items?
JamVet
December 17th, 2012
6:45 pm
The NRA was probably getting spammed by leftwing kooks.
Changing your story, so soon, keith taker? Tsk, tsk, tsk, makes you look lame.
BTW, what do you do for a living?
I’m guessing it is not teaching Introductory Morality and Ethics at Emory University…
Jackie
December 17th, 2012
6:45 pm
@keith
The obvious question that I should have asked, can you detail the “free stuff” the government provides me and others?
Aquagirl
December 17th, 2012
6:45 pm
The NRA was probably getting spammed by leftwing kooks.
And by “leftwing kooks” you mean “people concerned about gun nuts who can’t even figure out facebook, let alone their 37 high powered weapons.”
Because that’s not cause for any concern, nosirree.
There’s a reason the NRA has an image problem Keith. Take a look in the mirror.
josef
December 17th, 2012
6:45 pm
Speaking of Hitler, the South, and SONS OF THE CONFEDERATE VETERANS, anybody know what happened 150 years ago today?
Oh, yeah, and Steel Magnolias, who was the first woman to be a fully commissioned officer in the military, first to be awarded a veteran’s pension and first to be buried with full military honors in a military cemetery?