Newtown massacre reawakens question of gun control
The United States suffers more gun deaths and mass shootings than any other major industrialized country. It’s not even close. And of the dozen most deadly mass killings in U.S. history, half have occurred within the past five years. In other words, if you believe that these things are happening more and more often, the numbers validate that belief.
The question is why.
The NRA and its supporters say the problem is not easy access to guns. To the contrary, they often argue that the problem is a shortage of guns. If only we had more guns in circulation, fewer would die. The day before the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the Michigan Legislature embraced that theory in passing a law allowing those with concealed carry permits to possess weapons in schools, churches and other formerly gun-free areas. Michigan’s governor has yet to say whether he intends to sign such a bill.
However, there is no evidence to support the NRA’s contention. Those countries with much lower death rates do not achieve those rates by allowing free and easy access to guns by almost everybody, regardless of training. Quite the contrary. Those few countries in which guns are even more ubiquitous than the United States — countries such as Iraq — have much higher death rates.
In addition, gun laws are more lax here in the South and guns themselves are more numerous. Under the NRA theory, that ought to produce a more civil, less violent society. The data say otherwise:
On the other hand, those who turn reflexively to gun control as an answer must acknowledge the inadequacies of that approach as well. Yesterday’s school shooting took place in Connecticut, a state with strong gun-control laws. The pistols that were used — a Sig Sauer and a Glock of undetermined model — had been legally obtained and were registered to Nancy Lanza, the late mother of the 20-year-old shooter. It has been widely reported that a Bushmaster .223 assault weapon — a version of the AR-15 — was found in the trunk of the vehicle driven by Adam Lanza to the school. However, Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut state patrol said at a press conference this morning that all recovered weapons were found in close proximity to Lanza’s body.
The high kill rate in the shootings — only one person was wounded and survived — suggests Lanza was experienced with firearms. But based on what we know now, it is hard to explain in concrete, direct fashion how any reasonable set of changes to our gun laws would have prevented Friday’s tragedy.
For example, I have not been able to find any more specific information about the types of pistols used in the attack, or whether those pistols or the Bushmaster were equipped with high-capacity magazines. As a practical matter, outlawing pistols would not be feasible given how many are already in circulation. It would also be impossible politically. Outlawing high-capacity magazines might be another matter, but again, as of yet we have no indication they played a role in this attack.
Guns are inanimate objects. Guns don’t kill people; people kill people. I accept all of that as fact. However, I would have no problem whatsoever with again outlawing military-style assault weapons. Neither would the U.S. Supreme Court, even based on its most recent pro-gun rulings.
As gun supporters point out, and accurately so, other semi-automatic weapons are capable of delivering the same high fire rate as those described as assault weapons. It is striking, however, that these “other” weapons do not typically show up in the hands of mass murderers such as Adam Lanza. The military-style design of assault weapons may be superficial, but it gives them a powerful mystique to weak-minded souls pursuing visions of vengeance and power.
Speaking in general, rather than in reaction to the Newtown strategy, it is reasonable to propose that the legal ability to purchase and possess deadly firearms be linked to training and testing on the responsible use of such weapons. That would be a regulation of people, not of guns. Such proposals would nonetheless be fought bitterly by the NRA because they would reduce gun sales, and the NRA is in many ways nothing more than a front for its gun-industry sponsors.
Such laws would in no way infringe on constitutional rights as outlined in the Second Amendment and Supreme Court opinions. The millions of law-abiding, responsible gun owners in this country would have nothing to fear from such a system. In fact, as the NRA often points out correctly, those gun owners who have gone through the steps required to obtain a concealed carry permit rarely use those guns in crime. That record suggests a possible path forward for those who recognize both the constitutional right to possess firearms and the necessity of mitigating the damage done when those guns fall into the wrong hands.
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Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
7:43 pm
“and if our freedoms mean more kids and cops die, is that o.k.?”
It’s a consequence. No one would say it’s Ok
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 16th, 2012
7:43 pm
Years ago, while growing up, alot of students in our high school brought their firearms to school to enable them to get out right after school and hunt. No one killed anyone else in or on school property. Firearms were kept in their vehicles or their school lockers. Now, we have gun-free zones. Yet, we have shootings on gun-free campuses of colleges and high schools and grade schools. What has happened to transform America to the state we are now finding ourselves?
It was conservatives that came up with and first promoted the “zero tolerance” policy.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
7:44 pm
Eunuchs are not prone to violence
………………………
the voice of experience, i presume or self expression, maybe
hiram
December 16th, 2012
7:44 pm
yosuf
Why do you ask? I’m talking about changing schools to make them safer.
godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me
December 16th, 2012
7:45 pm
My question has been the same throughout why do we need guns?
Why do we need to be able to post opinions on Internet blogs?
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
7:48 pm
doggone/ga
thanks. you answered my question.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
7:50 pm
godless heathen
Why do we need to be able to post opinions on Internet blogs?
………………………………………….
to feel the adulation…
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
7:50 pm
“thanks. you answered my question.”
Nothing like pointing out the obvious. I’ve answered other questions from you, why did you not NEED to point out those answers too?
willie lynch
December 16th, 2012
7:51 pm
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
7:36 pm
I believe you misunderstood the intent but reading your posts I can understand why. You see this is not by far the most important question that we as Americans have or will ever ask ourselves it’s just that when it’s asked will we have the courage to answer, Surely we’ve dealt with more important questions than this. I understand that some (and I would place you among these) are not equipped to contemplate let alone answer this question so I’m perfectly satisfied with your answer. I understand it’s the best you can do.
I never claimed to have the answer and should someone make a compelling argument beyond “because it’s my right” I’ll gladly take it for consideration. It is afterall a discussion.
godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me
December 16th, 2012
7:52 pm
and if our freedoms mean more kids and cops ie, is that o.k.?
frog: We could virtually eliminate gun deaths, automobile deaths, swimming pool deaths, step-ladder deaths, knife deaths, falling tree deaths, bathtub drownings, etc with enough laws and enforcement. But we wouldn’t have much freedom. Is that OK with you?
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
7:54 pm
“I understand that some (and I would place you among these) are not equipped to contemplate let alone answer this question so I’m perfectly satisfied with your answer”
Why don’t you try asking me why I NEED to have dogs? And see what answer you get.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
7:54 pm
doggone/ga
i can feel the need to answer or ask any question i like without
or with your approval..one of my freedoms
Peadawg
December 16th, 2012
7:56 pm
Ah yes, the good ‘ol gun control debate. B/c Prohibition of alcohol worked so well.
You can regulate guns all you want but if someone wants to get a gun, they WILL get a gun. Period.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
7:58 pm
godless heathen 7:52
yes. i have given quite a bit of my freedom to try to avoid
the deaths of others and would give some more.
getalife
December 16th, 2012
7:59 pm
USA,
I just write the truth.
If you can’t handle the truth, that is your problem.
willie lynch
December 16th, 2012
7:59 pm
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
7:54 pm
Sir, you’ve already answered. Thanks!
josef
December 16th, 2012
8:02 pm
HIRAM
“Schools are static – same staff, same students, same parents.”
No, they’re not. We have resource personnel from any number of agencies outside the system. On site staff, yes. The student mobility rate (i.e. leaving, entering the site enrollment.) is high. We have a number of different individuals other than parents who are authorized to pick up Janie or Johnny. There are literally dozens of persons who have legitimate business with the school as visitors.
“When someone approaches the school, who’s not in the system, an alarm is sounded.”
That alarm would be going off all day long, creating a distraction from learning.
“The armed guard is alerted to the exact location.”
The “exact” location. The window outside Ms. P’s room? Does he go, weapon drawn to accost the groundskeeper?
“It’s not science fiction – it’s real – it’s affordable, and it’s worth it.”
It’s fantasy. It is not cheap and is overreacting. A school is a place of learning and not a maximum security facility….
hiram
December 16th, 2012
8:04 pm
Facial recognition software makes perfect sense for schools. Look into it.
http://www.facerec.com/biometric_technology.html
getalife
December 16th, 2012
8:06 pm
Our President is meeting with the victims families so lets see what he proposes.
Like Schumer said, the left needs to pay attention to the second amendment and that will not change.
Gun laws are off the table in other words.
The gop propose more guns at school.
USA needs to accept that fact.
The left should ask the Dems for another proposal like adding security to schools.
josef
December 16th, 2012
8:10 pm
HIRAM
Tell ya what. since you seem to be in the bidness, go put in a bid for the contract. If you’re a board member’s or an upper level administrator’s Cuzzin Bubba, ya just might be on to something…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 16th, 2012
8:10 pm
The gop propose more guns at school.
That means they will have to walk back their zero tolerance policy.
godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me
December 16th, 2012
8:10 pm
yes. i have given quite a bit of my freedom to try to avoid
the deaths of others and would give some more.
Well that is your choice.
getalife
December 16th, 2012
8:13 pm
The cons prohibition on liquor argument is proof of freeing the weed.
Prohibition and the drug war failed.
Perhaps we can end that prohibition on weed and use that drug war money to secure our schools somehow.
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
8:16 pm
test
getalife
December 16th, 2012
8:17 pm
“That means they will have to walk back their zero tolerance policy.”
Yes.
getalife
December 16th, 2012
8:20 pm
Our President is about to speak on this issue.
hiram
December 16th, 2012
8:20 pm
josuff
Just give Deal a cut, and it’s done. Sometimes you have to compromise. I’m very serious – the technology is there, and it’s affordable. But you need an armed guard element, as a backup – the system will monitor and alert.
josef
December 16th, 2012
8:22 pm
I have been absolutely fascinated this weekend by the so many cons who keep coming in claiming the libs want their guns taken and so many libs coming in claiming the cons want no checks, The funny? The most strident defenders of the right to have a gun have been libs, and the most strident calls for banning have come from cons.
I guess the memo was held up by security!
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
8:22 pm
getalife
doggone/ga at 8:16 is going to test us. i did not take notes….
getalife
December 16th, 2012
8:23 pm
frog,
I crammed all day.
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
8:26 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2246606/Ditto-Tired-trying-compete-neighbors-elaborate-Christmas-lights-display-Arizona-woman-devises-simple-effective-solution.html
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
8:26 pm
josef
remember the comments about libs against israel because cons
were supportive.. kind of the same way here, i’m for whatever they’re
against…
getalife
December 16th, 2012
8:27 pm
josef,
I think the old ideology of both sides is weakening. Positions are changing.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 16th, 2012
8:27 pm
getalife
doggone/ga at 8:16 is going to test us. i did not take notes….
frog,
I crammed all day.
My dog ate my crib notes.
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
8:27 pm
That’s interesting. I tried to post that picture, but on another link, and it never appeared. When I tried it again I was told it was a duplicate post.
Anyway, I replied “ditto” to another post and that never appeared either, but it reminded me of that photo.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
8:27 pm
getalife
i’ll go back and read your notes…wait, that would be cheating..
josef
December 16th, 2012
8:28 pm
HIRAM
It’s not practical, it’s not logical, and it’s not needed. It’s like so much else being proposed here, it sounds good in theory. It would be a boondoggle in practice.
Events such as this weekend’s are tragic, horrible and incomprehensible. But they are, blessedly, isolated. We must not, cannot, allow ourselves to become paranoid,
Brosephus made the point earlier that each site has to come up with a plan to meet the needs of that particular environment.
I will, however, bring it up in our security committee conference.
getalife
December 16th, 2012
8:30 pm
We did not cover Christmas lights.
Rightwing Troll
December 16th, 2012
8:30 pm
“My question has been the same throughout why do we need guns?
Why do we need to be able to post opinions on Internet blogs?”
We are definitely not for the better because of Internet blogs or guns.
josef
December 16th, 2012
8:31 pm
GETALIFE AND FROG
Like I said, it’s been fascinating to stand on the sidelines and observe….
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
8:31 pm
getalife
ditto.
josef
December 16th, 2012
8:32 pm
TROLL
They’ll take my blog when they pry my cold dead fingers from the keypad!
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
8:32 pm
josef
why do you have a security committe or conference?
getalife
December 16th, 2012
8:34 pm
“We are definitely not for the better because of Internet blogs”
Blogs are a great place to vent instead of going off so I think blogs saved lives.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
8:37 pm
for the first time blogs allow you to immediately backtalk a
newspaperman……..
josef
December 16th, 2012
8:39 pm
FROG
Why? It’s mandated, of course. But we do have to take a lot of things into consideration given our location, building layout, nature of our student population…etc. etc. As I said the other night, we have now added bomb drill and intruder drill to the tornado and fire drills…
It’s a sad commentary on the state of affairs….
Rightwing Troll
December 16th, 2012
8:39 pm
I have to say I’m impressed with Faux News coverage tonight. Very reasonable, no vitriol.
I’ll be curious to see what happens tomorrow after the NRA mobilizes and Rushbo blathers for 3 hours… Will Faux News stay the course? Even Rupert has sensible recommendations.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
8:42 pm
josef
it would seem then the system thinks that security is evolving and
has room for improvement..
hiram
December 16th, 2012
8:42 pm
josef
December 16th, 2012
8:28 pm
HIRAM
It’s not practical, it’s not logical, and it’s not needed. It’s like so much else being proposed here, it sounds good in theory. It would be a boondoggle in practice.
I disagree. They use this software at border crossings – the state department uses it extensively. I think parents would not only go along with it, but would pay for it, if need be, for peace of mind. Schools need to be monitored and protected, and it’s doable. As I learned in the first grade, “can’t never did anything”.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 16th, 2012
8:45 pm
EXCLUSIVE: Nancy Lanza feared son, Adam, was ‘getting worse’; told friend ‘he was burning himself with a lighter’ and that she was ‘losing him’
josef
December 16th, 2012
8:46 pm
HIRAM
The front door is not a border crossing! That’s why I said at the beginning, I assume you do not work in a school. While I’m not at liberty to go into any details, we have already in place a sufficient security system. Can it withstand a determined nut? No. None can.
DawgDad
December 16th, 2012
8:46 pm
“The military-style design of [video games] may be superficial, but it gives them a powerful mystique to weak-minded souls pursuing visions of vengeance and power. ”
Yet I fear there will be millions of over-the-top violent and degrading video games under the tree this Christmas.
Absurd? Of course, except to the evil tyrants among us. Protecting our freedoms requires eternal vigilance. Freedom is not without cost.
Ken
December 16th, 2012
8:49 pm
Just tuned in to the President’s speech. Is he talking about banning abortion to save the children ?
getalife
December 16th, 2012
8:54 pm
Our President asks if we are doing enough to keep our children safe?
He thinks the answer is no so we have to change.
No more tolerance of these massacres.
Taking on this issue on his agenda.
RB from Gwinnett
December 16th, 2012
9:03 pm
“. I think parents would not only go along with it, but would pay for it, if need be, for peace of mind.”
Many felt a “peace of mind” when the “no guns allowed on school property” laws were passed. Just more feel good legislation by the godless liberal crowd. How about banning the media from making these evil beasts famous with this endless coverage??
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 16th, 2012
9:04 pm
Just more feel good legislation by the godless liberal crowd.
The zero tolerance policy was developed and advanced by conservatives.
USA Patriot
December 16th, 2012
9:05 pm
Your president just “read” a speech. Apparently POTUS can’t speak from the heart, he has to read it. Pathetic.
Yep, he’s still out there campaigning. Chump!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 16th, 2012
9:05 pm
HEADLINE (Yahoo News): “No rise in mass killings, but their impact is huge”
“And yet those who study mass shootings say they are not becoming more common.
“There is no pattern, there is no increase,” says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston’s Northeastern University, who has been studying the subject since the 1980s, spurred by a rash of mass shootings in post offices.
The random mass shootings that get the most media attention are the rarest, Fox says. Most people who die of bullet wounds knew the identity of their killer.
Society moves on, he says, because of our ability to distance ourselves from the horror of the day, and because people believe that these tragedies are “one of the unfortunate prices we pay for our freedoms.”
Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, said that while mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data. He estimates that there were 32 in the 1980s, 42 in the 1990s and 26 in the first decade of the century.”
http://news.yahoo.com/no-rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-185700637.html
hiram
December 16th, 2012
9:06 pm
@ josuff
I don’t comprehend your argument – trust me, you can do better than the current system. I’m very familiar with the with local schools, and their security isn’t adequate. You’re missing a deterrent – I’m not talking about a pot bellied sherrif’s deputy, flirting with the staff – I’m talking about trained, fit, capable, armed professionals – swat team caliber person.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
9:07 pm
getalife
our president seems upset that 4 of these happened on his watch.
i think he is on a mission now…
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
9:07 pm
“Chump!”
yes, we already know you are. No need to come here and confess
getalife
December 16th, 2012
9:08 pm
USA has a severe case of ODS and reaching out for help.
Hand over your guns USA.
getalife
December 16th, 2012
9:10 pm
frog,
You paid attention so it is your job to tell these cons over and over what he said.
cons never listen and pretend to be informed but they are not.
RB from Gwinnett
December 16th, 2012
9:10 pm
Evil is not the opposite of God, its the absense of God. What do you liberals think will fill the void when you demand God be removed from our society? Wake up and pay attention.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
9:12 pm
getalife
USA Patriot shorter would be USAP
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
9:12 pm
“What do you liberals think will fill the void when you demand God be removed from our society?”
when that happens, get back to us with your question
Rightwing troll
December 16th, 2012
9:12 pm
Damn the luck… Got caught in moderation purgatory…
Faux news kept it classy… Wish I could say the same for our resident wing nut morons…
Oscar
December 16th, 2012
9:13 pm
Give all principals gun training and a 12 guage pump. That would have stopped the shooter.
USA Patriot
December 16th, 2012
9:14 pm
doggone / get – apparently you two need some Noxema, little sensitive skin tonight?
getalife
December 16th, 2012
9:14 pm
USAP is the perfect name for our unhinged with ODS friend from the right.
Oscar
December 16th, 2012
9:16 pm
hiram
December 16th, 2012
9:06 pm
_______
An additional employeee per school. we can’t pay the teachers we need.
Unless the person can teach a class no deal.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
9:16 pm
getalife
here’s the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIA0W69U2_Y
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2012
9:17 pm
“little sensitive skin tonight?”
Yeah, I’m allergic to stupid posts
USA Patriot
December 16th, 2012
9:18 pm
Typical, can’t respond to what your president had to “read”.
RB from Gwinnett
December 16th, 2012
9:18 pm
“swat team caliber person”
Sounds to me like you only have to get pat one person to have free reign to me. If I’m a deranged individual I’d bet good money a business suit and a chambered and holstered 9mm would get me past.
Stop putting your faith in such simple minded solutions. Why can’t you see they’re stupid and have no chance of success??
Eddie
December 16th, 2012
9:20 pm
If this illogical woman never embraced the idea that her possession of a military caliber rifle and two semiautomatic pistols could offset any future direction of the country, her deranged son would not have had access to these guns and this incident wouldn’t have happened. If the rifle had only a 10 round magazine and ran dry, imagine how many kids could’ve escaped as he went through the reloading process. I own guns and I know that nobody but a cop or a soldier needs high capacity magazines. Nobody but a cop or a soldier needs assault rifles. Nobody but a cop or a soldier needs anything beyond a revolver to defend his or herself. This incident occurred because an irresponsible adult allowed military grade firearms that she never should have owned to fall into the hands of her deranged son. I fully support President Obama and gun control measures to get these guns out of regular households before more of these incidents occur.
getalife
December 16th, 2012
9:21 pm
USAP,
If you listened to him, why ask silly questions?
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
9:22 pm
getalife
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1gSsm5xlKQ
here’s the other link
Rightwing troll
December 16th, 2012
9:22 pm
What exactly is there to “respond” to?
RB from Gwinnett
December 16th, 2012
9:26 pm
Getafrigginclue, “Hand over your guns USA.”
If you’re advocating a revocation of the 2nd amendment, say so. Be specific so all will know what caliber of person we’re dealing with.
Speak up getaclue. Let us hear your plea.
TaxPayer
December 16th, 2012
9:27 pm
Schools must be protected against terrorists so all we need to do is make sure that people with guns are not classified as terrorists because then we would have a serious conflict of interest problem–terrorist v. second amendment.
Oscar
December 16th, 2012
9:27 pm
Eddie – have to agree. No reasonable person needs or should have those type of weapons around the house.
Hold people repsonible for the misuse of these weapons if they are stolen or used.
getalife
December 16th, 2012
9:27 pm
Thanks frog.
Keep those links handy when the cons say something stupid about what he said.
getalife
December 16th, 2012
9:29 pm
rb,
I have been speaking all day and no, gun laws will not pass the gop house.
It is a non starter.
TaxPayer
December 16th, 2012
9:30 pm
Didn’t schools get rid of those pricey nurses. That should have freed up some money for either a tax cut or a security guard. Which will it be.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
9:31 pm
getalife
o.k. i’ll save them to favorites bar and paste away the silly statements…
luangtom
December 16th, 2012
9:32 pm
Kamchak at 7:43 PM – It is not about liberals versus conservatives. The question I raised was what happened to this country and its sense of values and morals and responsibility? Attitudes of us vs. them is what brought about the great divide in this country on not only this matter, but most all matters of importance in this nation right now. Why does one side in this matter or another that impacts ALL of us have to have a declared winner? Compromise is a means to accomplish most matters that will live with all of us. Why does one side have to be a winner? No one is a winner in this event or any other like it. Why is life in the eyes of so many a contest? Someone wins and someone loses, to what advantage?
Josef
December 16th, 2012
9:32 pm
Question…
Did any of those yapping about us “G-dless liberals” take note of just how many times the President called on G-d for strength to help us, yes, us through this test?
getalife
December 16th, 2012
9:34 pm
frog,
There was scripture and God in the speech so the cons might listen.
He added to his second term agenda and will listen to the professionals before he proposes anything.
RB from Gwinnett
December 16th, 2012
9:34 pm
“Nobody but a cop or a soldier needs assault rifles”
You apparently don’t realize the 2nd amendment wasn’t just to protect the people from other citizens, but to also protect them from an overbearing government. Your ignorans is dangerous to your freedom.
barking frog
December 16th, 2012
9:35 pm
josef
the president sounded like the Baptist deacon that he is..
godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me
December 16th, 2012
9:37 pm
I watched and listened to the President’s remarks. Very well stated, but his jerking knee was hidden by the podium.
getalife
December 16th, 2012
9:38 pm
luangtom .
In case you just woke from a coma, the right broke their moral compass and all they want is to get our President.
Now, you are caught up.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 16th, 2012
9:39 pm
The question I raised was what happened to this country and its sense of values and morals and responsibility?
You raised the spectre of days gone by where hunting rifles were permitted in the racks of teen’s pick up trucks at school and you asked, “What has happened to transform America to the state we are now finding ourselves?”
I answered your question as to “what happened?”
It is not my fault that you don’t like the answer.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 16th, 2012
9:40 pm
Your ignorans[sic] is dangerous to your freedom.
Oh, the irony.
RB from Gwinnett
December 16th, 2012
9:40 pm
“I have been speaking all day and no, gun laws will not pass the gop house.”
You coward. If you want the 2nd amendment repealed, speak up. Stop beating around the bush, getaclue. Say it.
godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me
December 16th, 2012
9:42 pm
If this illogical woman never embraced the idea that her possession of a military caliber rifle
And with his first sentence, Eddie demonstrated his total ignorance about firearms, so there was no point in reading any farther.
getalife
December 16th, 2012
9:43 pm
rb,
When w stole freedom, you cheered him on.
Flip flop or just a hypocrite?
godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me
December 16th, 2012
9:43 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 16th, 2012
9:40 pm
moran?
godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me
December 16th, 2012
9:46 pm
We need to ban those military caliber firearms. .223 out. .224 OK.