Time for Legislature to get serious about ethics reform

If serious ethics reform passes the Georgia Legislature this year, House Speaker David Ralston will have played a major role from beginning to end.

His biggest contribution probably came in helping to inspire the public crusade that has pushed the issue to such prominence in the first place. If he had not taken his family on a $17,000 holiday trip to Europe at lobbyist expense, and if he had not responded to criticism by shrugging it off as unimportant, it is unlikely that the ethics issue would have gained so much traction. The speaker is a smart guy who is widely respected, but that trip and his handling of its aftermath was a major blunder. He turned himself into a symbol of the type of political entitlement that angers voters and leads them to distrust government.

That distrust has become a major problem, as evidenced by an AJC poll published last week. It found that a major reason for metro Atlanta’s rejection of last summer’s T-SPLOST was lack of faith in the integrity of elected officials and a fear that they serve special interests rather than the public. That same lack of faith will make it difficult for elected leaders to build support for a public contribution to a proposed new stadium for the Atlanta Falcons.

Earlier this year, however, Ralston performed a startling about-face. After steadfastly rejecting any limitation on lobbyist gifts to legislators, the speaker suddenly embraced an outright ban on such gifts. Whether that reflects an honest if rather swift change of heart will be determined over the next few months.

In the state Senate, Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle has been a vocal supporter of ethics reform, even if that rhetorical support has seldom translated into action. The new leadership team elected in the Senate has also expressed support for such reform, although the speaker’s call for a total gift ban rather than a limit on gift value may test that commitment.

One early test of how seriously the Senate leadership takes ethics will be its handling of Senate Rules Committee Chairman Don Balfour, one of the most powerful figures in the Capitol. Last year, Balfour kept ethics legislation bottled up in his committee, refusing to let it come to the Senate floor for a vote. More importantly, in August the Senate Ethics Committee fined Balfour $5,000 for filing a series of false expense reports with the state, and a criminal investigation launched by the GBI continues.

Under those circumstances, allowing Balfour to return as chair of the Rules Committee would suggest that the Senate’s new leadership is no more serious about ethics reform than were its predecessors.

However, the most important test of legislative commitment to ethics reform and the rebuilding of public trust will be its handling of what was once known as the Georgia Ethics Commission. Political leaders in this state have never tolerated a truly independent ethics commission, but legislative attacks on the agency in recent years have stripped it of what little independence and authority it once enjoyed. They even stripped the word “ethics” from its title.

The Legislature’s most prominent ethics champion, state Sen. Josh McKoon, R-Columbus, has introduced a proposed constitutional amendment that would guarantee a certain level of funding for the ethics commission. In the past, legislators unhappy with commission rulings have “disciplined” it by slashing funding or positions. McKoon’s proposal would be an important step in insulating the agency from such pressures and restoring public confidence in government.

– Jay Bookman

272 comments Add your comment

getalife

December 14th, 2012
11:09 am

The tiltle cracked me up and firsty.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
11:09 am

I like McKoon’s proposal, but I think a chicken in Col. Sander’s back yard has a better chance of survival…..

If serious ethics reform passes the Georgia Legislature this year, House Speaker David Ralston will have played a major role from beginning to end.

If a rabbit attacks and kills a grizzly bear, there will be one less grizzly to attack other animals. I think we’re more likely to see that rabbit kill a bear before we see substantive ethics reform in Georgia.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
11:11 am

We have not seen any accountability here in Georgia. It’s time we do

Soothsayer

December 14th, 2012
11:14 am

JohnnyReb

December 14th, 2012
11:17 am

Holy Cow ! Two Jay posts in one week with which I totally agree.

Jay, you are much more a moderate and on-Target with GA politics vs National. I can only assume that is because you pen the local only from your thoughts vs being led astray by the legacy media National propaganda.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
11:20 am

“OBAMA: DOESN’T ‘MAKE SENSE’ TO TARGET RECREATIONAL POT USERS”

Free the weed Mr. President.

For principles

December 14th, 2012
11:23 am

Government itself is predicated on the immoral acts of theft and violence. They do not produce anything, but must steal their funding from the citizens through taxation. To enforce their arbitrary laws (most of which have nothing to do with enforcing natural laws against force or fraud, they use the force of guns, kidnapping, and imprisonment. If you do not pay them the money they demand, they will use force all the way up to and including killing to get their way.

How can you expect any “ethical” behavior to come from such a group of individuals. These people become part of this system for the very purpose of being able to tell other people how to live their lives and how their money and property will be disposed of. Sorry, not holding my breath or expecting anything other than the usual violence, control, and immorality we have come to expect from all elected and government employed folks.

Logical Dude

December 14th, 2012
11:24 am

So, even IF the legislature is able to pass ethics reform, putting the ethics watchdog in place, with proper funding, and the word “Ethics” back in the title. . . IF all of that happens, I see the Governor Vetoing ANYTHING that would improve ethics in Georgia.

If Ethics can be done around a Governor who is the most ethically challenged in the country, then maybe, just maybe it can be done. But I don’t see it happening while we still have Deal in place.

Fly-On-The-Wall

December 14th, 2012
11:27 am

Unfortunatley Georgians believe that ethics reform will happen just about as much as the possibility of seeing Santa or the Easter bunny.

skipper

December 14th, 2012
11:27 am

@Bro…..a chicken in colonel Sanders back yard! That is funny.good one!

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
11:29 am

They even stripped the word “ethics” from its title.

what kind of Orwellian name does it have, now?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

December 14th, 2012
11:29 am

Jay: that a major reason for metro Atlanta’s rejection of last summer’s T-SPLOST was lack of faith in the integrity of elected officials and a fear that they serve special interests rather than the public.

Who said “You can fool some of the people some of the time…..???” That applies to ^^ your statement. Our “elected officials” keep giving themselves pay raises, (Atlanta, Congress); while DENYING the fireman who puts his life on the line a single red cent more to be added to HIS paycheck. How can anyone trust someone like that?

That same lack of faith will make it difficult for elected leaders to build support for a public contribution to a proposed new stadium for the Atlanta Falcons.

Saw Blank on local TV and a reporter asked him if he was “worried” about the Falcons actually getting public money to build their new stadium. He dismissively said, “No”. — It was classic! He looked just like that guy in that movie who plays the bad guy who ties the lady to the train tracks while the train is approaching……..

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
11:30 am

skipper

That’s just how much of a chance that I think ethics reform has here in Georgia.

Road Scholar

December 14th, 2012
11:34 am

for principles: Boo Hoo! When are you going to leave the US and find a country where you do not have to pay taxes? Delta is ready when you are! And remember to pay your airplane ticket taxes!

Back to on topic: NO GIFTS period.That way there is no excuses! Also, if they run for office, get reelected and then resign for another job…not for an illness.. then they have to pay the reelection costs.

skipper

December 14th, 2012
11:35 am

I reckon’ there has to be some ethics first before reform can come! lol :)

getalife

December 14th, 2012
11:35 am

Have you tried term limits yet?

If you want to get rid of the good ole boy network, start with the good ole boys.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
11:38 am

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
11:43 am

The Legislature’s most prominent ethics champion, state Sen. Josh McKoon, R-Columbus, has introduced a proposed constitutional amendment that would guarantee a certain level of funding for the ethics commission.

It speaks volumes that the legislature would feel it needed to amend the state Constitution just to accomplish something as rudimentary as this.

fedup

December 14th, 2012
11:45 am

When pigs find free food hell and high water will not stop them from finding that trough.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
11:49 am

Damn… another shooting. This time, it’s an elementary school in Connecticut.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
11:51 am

off topic (not entirely, if I were still downstairs), but a good piece by Glennzilla: Zero Dark Thirty: CIA hagiography, pernicious propaganda

the idea that Zero Dark Thirty should be regarded purely as an apolitical “work of art” and not be held accountable for its political implications is, in my view, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual, and ultimately amoral claptrap.

Logical Dude

December 14th, 2012
11:52 am

quoting: After steadfastly rejecting any limitation on lobbyist gifts to legislators, the speaker suddenly embraced an outright ban on such gifts.

Because he knows that he can champion the cause to his outraged constituents, while steadfast in the knowledge that nothing will get done in this state.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
11:53 am

This time, it’s an elementary school in Connecticut.

First story I clicked on, had a painful picture, but maybe we all ought to force ourselves to look:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559229/person-shot-at-conn-elementary-school/

Old Goober

December 14th, 2012
11:57 am

the idea that Zero Dark Thirty should be regarded purely as an apolitical “work of art” and not be held accountable for its political implications is, in my view, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual, and ultimately amoral claptrap.

Good article on that movie at Real Clear Politics this morning. It seems that CIA women were at the heart of the effort to find and dispose of bin Laden. They formed the core of the team, and they were pretty vicious. The leader of the team is quoted as saying, “If I could have said ‘men need not apply’ I would have done so.”

Worth a read.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
11:57 am

“I saw and heard what Kerry said about my service in Vietnam.

He was dispicable !”-scout

“Nonsense. And if you’d actually read the transcript of his testimony–which is what your whining here is surely based on–before the Senate in ‘71, in its entirety, and not in carefully edited dribs and drabs, you wouldn’t be embarrassing yourself with such foolishness now.”- stands

stands,

Maybe its just me but I usually tend to take people at their word- especially when they are war criminals and admit to committing atrocities.

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions…

F. Sinkwich

December 14th, 2012
11:57 am

Well lookee here. Jay is once again on his “ethics” high horse. Apparently in Jay-world, if only legislators weren’t allowed a dinner here and there from a lobbyist, public trust will magically appear so highers taxes like TSPLOST will appeal to all.

Memo to Jay: Trust is earned. Reneging on the 400 tolls set that “trust” effort back years and years. Ethics reform ain’t gonna help that a wit.

N-GA (economic base jumper)

December 14th, 2012
12:01 pm

@ For Priciples – After reading your post I realized you could have been talking about the Catholic Church

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:01 pm

filky,

You voted for them.

MANGLER

December 14th, 2012
12:01 pm

What good is having an ethics commission if it does’t have policing authority? I’d liken it to an unarmed guard in front of a neighborhood with no phone, just a flashlight. “I see you, but I can’t stop you”
This is one of the vital roles that journalists and the media plays – keeping an eye on public employees at all levels. Keep digging up real dirt on the higher ups until a couple fall, and then you’ll get the internal support for an actual ethics commission. And I don’t mean someone having an affair or tweeting boxer shots, nobody cares about that. I mean lying, cheating, stealing, payoffs, being GOP (sorry, I had to), etc!

GT

December 14th, 2012
12:01 pm

Ethics education in the schools might help. I seriously think the people of this state have no clue what is ethical and what is not. And this stuff trickles down into corporate benefits too. Martha Stewart is draining her company as it goes under with perks not fitting the lack of success she is bringing to the public corporation. Unethical behavior seems to dominate the powerful.

MANGLER

December 14th, 2012
12:02 pm

GT, “and that’s a good thing” :)

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
12:08 pm

I think that most of us here can agree that both Georgia Democrats AND Republicans have done a pitiful job when it comes to matters of ethics. While the GOP is in control now, the problem certainly predates their current period of authority.

Then again, as our conservative friends and associates are fond of telling us, ‘its your mess now, so own it.’

Frankly, I think that GA legislators won’t ever fix the problem unless and until the citizens of GA somehow force them to do so.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:09 pm

Next thing ya know David Ralston is going to have connections with a sleazy bidnessman who is going to sell him a house worth 700k for half that amount.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
12:11 pm

Doom — “Maybe its just me but I usually tend to take people at their word- especially when they are war criminals and admit to committing atrocities.”

Maybe you could paste the passage where he calls 0311 out by name.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 14th, 2012
12:11 pm

He turned himself into a symbol of the type of political entitlement that angers voters and leads them to distrust government
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And why WOULD WE trust trust the entitlers when they have shown such restraint in entitling themselves?

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:11 pm

Voting for the same gop and expecting them to have ethics and morals after they proved over and over they do not is just voter ignorance like filky.

Until the cons stop giving them a free pass and reward them with their votes, nothing will change in the gop.

F. Sinkwich

December 14th, 2012
12:14 pm

“filky,

You voted for them.”

You did too.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
12:14 pm

dB

I saw that picture. No kid should ever have to experience that kind of violence in a place that’s supposed to be a safe place for them to go.

Nero

December 14th, 2012
12:17 pm

blah, blah, blah…ethics…blah, blah, blah

http://youtu.be/1YrNFUY6ue0

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:17 pm

No filky,

I don’t vote gop silly.

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:19 pm

As getalife would say, it appears Thulsa is practicing some “deflecterbation” with his 12:09 post

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:20 pm

jindal wants birth control sold over the counter.

Pro choice?

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
12:21 pm

They BOTH

So THAT’S what the kids are calling it now… :lol:

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:21 pm

Both,

I told doomy not to do that in public.

Georgia

December 14th, 2012
12:22 pm

If I were elected, I’d be corrupt too. and I’d have my grubby little paws out full time stuffing my pockets and everything. Money talks, and bs walks, man. Then, I’d start bribing people and extorting this and that. I’d lie, cheat and steal all the way to the white house, maybe. In the smoke filled back rooms, I’d be grabbing lapels and roughing stooges up, and getting my way. A slap here and there is just what my cronies would need. I’ve seen enough Edward G Robinson movies to know how to act. Oh, what a politician I’d make. I should start now with a grass roots campaign. This is America, and I’m throwing my hat in the ring. Silk hat, if all goes as planned. What a country. and if anyone sticks their head up and tries to stop me, I’d slap ‘em down, See?

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:23 pm

Bro

Lifted that one from getalife.

get: forgot to mention

Your Laurel and Hardy comment yesterday regarding Christie and Jindal was great.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:24 pm

“Maybe you could paste the passage where he calls 0311 out by name.”

Joe Mama,

Scout is included in this part about “thousands of other soldiers” that you must have somehow missed. “I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed”.

Most reasonable and intelligent people understand that for the sake of brevity Mr. Kerry could not rattle off the names of thousands of soldiers in an interview. Most reasonable and intelligent people anyway…

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:24 pm

NRA says the children should be armed.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 14th, 2012
12:26 pm

Bro

I am watching the scene CNN. They are saying Multiple injuries, Sad again.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:26 pm

Thanks Both.

F. Sinkwich

December 14th, 2012
12:27 pm

“No filky,

I don’t vote gop silly.”

Maybe not, but you voted for the clowns who made the 400 promise…

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:28 pm

Bro

Were you a bus driver at one time or in a previous life? After going back and reading comments from last night, you sure took “td” to school and back………………….. He was spinning so much, it is wonder that he earth didn’t tilt off its axis.

He probably skipped school today.

:-)

F. Sinkwich

December 14th, 2012
12:29 pm

“President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.” ”

Bwaahahahahahahaha

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:30 pm

At least two dead and the shooter.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:30 pm

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:19 pm
As getalife would say, it appears Thulsa is practicing some “deflecterbation” with his 12:09 post

they both suck,

Naw. I’m just practicing a little humor about shady real estate deals of around 300k. In regards to Ralston its clear to anyone that accepting a 17k trip on behalf of a lobbyist stinks of corruption and influence peddling. Ralston ought to be ashamed of himself.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:30 pm

filky,

True.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
12:31 pm

thanks for proving my point about dribs and drabs, TD.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
12:32 pm

Principal, school psychologist and the shooter dead. Children injured

Over 100 rounds reportedly fired.

Holy crap

alex

December 14th, 2012
12:32 pm

Sounds like the slow wheels of justice and legislation are gaining momentum….

SAUSAGE ANYONE?

MiltonMan

December 14th, 2012
12:33 pm

Where were you bleeding heart libs when the Atlanta/Fulton County Democrat delegation went to Paris on the lobbyists dime??? The clowns eventually awarded the MARTA train contract to the French company when a comparable company in Buford was also bidding on the contract.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:33 pm

President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.”

The comedian in chief at work. A few more quips like that and he’ll make a run at Joe Biden for gaffes and laughs.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
12:33 pm

Doom — “Joe Mama, Scout is included in this part about “thousands of other soldiers” that you must have somehow missed.”

So you say. Who are you to assert what anyone else means, Senator Kerry included?

“I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed”.

Don’t see anything in there where he calls out 0311 by name.

“Most reasonable and intelligent people understand that for the sake of brevity Mr. Kerry could not rattle off the names of thousands of soldiers in an interview. Most reasonable and intelligent people anyway…”

Most intelligent and reasonable people — who have also, by the way, READ his Winter Soldier testimony — realize that he’s talking about veterans who ADMITTED to performing such acts during the course of the hearings that had been held earlier.

Most intelligent, reasonable and HONEST people, anyway.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:34 pm

President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.”

True.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 14th, 2012
12:34 pm

Well, it’s just a shame libruls like Bookman keep going after Ralston over a little thing like a 17,000 buck trip to Europe—17,000 bucks! Holy sh_t!

Never mind, Carry on.

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:37 pm

Thulsa

“Thousands of others” really meant all those who served in Vietnam?

hmmmmmmm

larry

December 14th, 2012
12:37 pm

President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.”

Actually , he’s right. Considering Reagan raised taxes quite a few times in his second term, and considering the Republican party has gone so far to the right now, Reagan would not be nominated.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
12:38 pm

R. Convert — “Well, it’s just a shame libruls like Bookman keep going after Ralston over a little thing like a 17,000 buck trip to Europe—17,000 bucks! Holy sh_t!

Never mind, Carry on.”

You know, that 17,000 would buy a mighty nice second trailer down around Gulf Shores or someplace like that. I think you’re in the wrong bidness, Convert. :)

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:39 pm

Stands for decibels,

If you had a point it wasn’t much of one. Not very sharp at the end, kinda dull.

“First story I clicked on, had a painful picture, but maybe we all ought to force ourselves to look:”

Why should we all force ourselves to look at this tragedy? Cause you think its good for us and have deemed it necessary? Or is it because you want to use this tragedy to make some kind of political point- possibly about guns?

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
12:39 pm

larry — “Actually , he’s right. Considering Reagan raised taxes quite a few times in his second term, and considering the Republican party has gone so far to the right now, Reagan would not be nominated.”

And let’s not forget Reagan’s “Prime The Pump” economic strategy. In conception and execution, it was pretty much the same as the Republican-hated “porkulus” under Obama, yet cons can’t bring themselves to admit it even happened.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:40 pm

” Reagan would not be nominated.”

He would go back to being Dem.

Liberal Pariah

December 14th, 2012
12:41 pm

JHM @ 12:08

Truer words were never spoken. Must be a mess when both sides agree :-)

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:41 pm

They both suck,

“thousands of others” sure constitutes a lot of folks in my book and most likely includes the grunts in the bush of which scout was one.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
12:41 pm

Most intelligent and reasonable people — who have also, by the way, READ his Winter Soldier testimony — realize that he’s talking about veterans who ADMITTED to performing such acts during the course of the hearings that had been held earlier.

Most intelligent, reasonable and HONEST people, anyway.

I would wager that less than 0.01% of people who bitch and moan online about Kerry’s 1971 testimony have read anything more than a very few words selectively quoted.

Because of this, I guess we need to brace ourselves for another tsunami of stupid if Kerry’s name is actually put forward for SoS.

/drive-by

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
12:41 pm

NoCom

I can’t get the live feed, but I can’t imagine what the parents are feeling right about now. I know I’d be going through emotion overload right about now if my lil one attended that school.

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They BOTH

I probably need to apologize to Jay for some of what I said. For some reason, I just wasn’t feeling cordial to the stoopids last night. However, when somebody decides to be ill-informed or un-informed, who am I to sprinkle knowledge into their life?

:)

larry

December 14th, 2012
12:43 pm

And as far as the topic goes, I’ll have to see it to believe it. When you have a governor who had to resign his congressional seat to keep from facing ethics charges, and who has faced eithics charges since he became governor, i would have to see him sign it into law to believe it.

Actually, the bill Rep. McKoon is introducing is common in other states. The state ethics commission gets a percentage of the state budget. Its actually a good bill, but i dont give a snowball’s chance in he!! that it will pass.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:44 pm

I agree, Redneck Convert for Governor.

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:44 pm

“Frankly, I think that GA legislators won’t ever fix the problem unless and until the citizens of GA somehow force them to do so.”

No different than Tom Murphy’s gang of misfits. For a long time most had little to worry about in terms of reelection and that is the prevailing attitude with a good percentage of Republicans under the Gold Dome.

skipper

December 14th, 2012
12:44 pm

We are fixin’ to have horse-head Kerry.once again; please stay, Hillary! I’m afraid folks on both sides of the aisle will soon find out that Kerry is not the so-called statesman. Can’t call me out as some right-wing basher………I just asked hillary to stay on!!

larry

December 14th, 2012
12:46 pm

And let’s not forget Reagan’s “Prime The Pump” economic strategy. In conception and execution, it was pretty much the same as the Republican-hated “porkulus” under Obama, yet cons can’t bring themselves to admit it even happened.

And didnt Bush give out checks , ” stimulus checks” . Twice , if i recall correctly.

A lot of good those did.

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:47 pm

Bro

You didn’t really go over the line. Those actually number from the state of OH had td reeling from his unsubstantiated assertions.

When he went to blaming the website where he came up with his bs, even he knew he had been schooled……… again

I just imagined td being Pac after that Marquez overhand right landed last Saturday night……..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
12:48 pm

We are fixin’ to have horse-head Kerry.once again…

You’ve had him before?

Does The National Inquirer know?

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 14th, 2012
12:50 pm

Bro

I know I’d be going through emotion overload right about now if my lil one attended that school.
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I don’t know about you, but if it was my child there the POS that did that would not have the option of suicide

skipper

December 14th, 2012
12:50 pm

To back up my previous (typo-infested) post……there is just something about Kerry’s attitude, body language, and propensity for changing a story time after time that just makes me not want him in that post. Whether or not one likes Hillary, she has done a decent job…….and she is not scattered all over the place.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
12:51 pm

Oh crap, now they’re reporting deaths of children.

larry

December 14th, 2012
12:51 pm

We are fixin’ to have horse-head Kerry.once again; please stay, Hillary!

They are going to treat him like they did in ‘04.

By the way, the way that McCain, Graham and others treated Amb. Rice was not good for the Rep. party, they just hurt their brand even more.

I dont look for McCain to run again, and Graham has to worry about being primaried.

skipper

December 14th, 2012
12:52 pm

Kamchak……….man, I can’t win today! But, that was funny! You and Bro got it going on today……humor on a Friday!

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:52 pm

Thulsa

My dad served 3 yrs in Vietnam. He didn’t vote for Kerry but had no problem with what Kerry said. He is man enough to know that Kerry didn’t say “all” and that atrocities did occur.

Take some time and go look up the atrocities that were committed in Vietnam. The US government at first attempted to downplay the number, but finally came out with a report and it wasn’t pretty.

So what Kerry saw or didn’t see, you nor I have no idea, but his assertion about atrocities (based on the governments own report that they initially downplayed) is closer to reality than you would ever admit……..

But do carry on with your “thousands” implies all or whatever spin makes you feel better…..

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:54 pm

Thulsa

And Scout, Del or whomever have their right to their opinions as well.

I’m no huge Kerry fan, but to watch you and others rant and rave, it will be amusing if he is nominated……

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
12:55 pm

They BOTH

I was actually about to go to bed, but he just couldn’t leave well enough alone. That’s why I went to the Ohio SoS website to see for myself. Notice that he did not post one single link to anything to back up his assertion. Generally, that’s a sign to me that it’s something being batted around by talking heads and such.

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NoCom

Most times, those type of incidents happen so quickly that you don’t have time to respond until everything is over. Reading online that there were child victims makes it that much worse to me. I’m thinking that it’s a good thing that I don’t have a live tv feed at the moment.

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
12:59 pm

“President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.” ”

Dumbest statement ever posted on this blog.

appleseed

December 14th, 2012
12:59 pm

Thulsa 12:09/30 Are you ok today?Not running a fever,delusional?If not I may need go to the DR.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:59 pm

From 2 dead to 27 dead?

What the hell?

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
1:00 pm

We are fixin’ to have horse-head Kerry.once again…

Isn’t that still illegal??? The slippery slope hasn’t progressed that far has it?

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:00 pm

ben,

The truth is not dumb.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
1:02 pm

TBS — “No different than Tom Murphy’s gang of misfits. For a long time most had little to worry about in terms of reelection and that is the prevailing attitude with a good percentage of Republicans under the Gold Dome.”

As I said, both sides certainly share the blame, and I think we can all agree on that.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
1:03 pm

K’Chak — “You’ve had him before?”

Damn, I don’t think I’d'a told that. :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
1:05 pm

27 dead — 18 children, 9 adults.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
1:07 pm

“He is man enough to know that Kerry didn’t say “all” and that atrocities did occur.”

Did I say that Kerry claimed “all” U.S. soldiers committed atrocities? If I did then I apologize for that error. I’ll go back and see if I stated that Kerry accused “all” U.S. soldiers of atrocities. If I didn’t then perhaps you will apologize for accusing me of saying something that I did in fact not say. Regardless he said “thousands”. That’s quite a few people sir.

“Take some time and go look up the atrocities that were committed in Vietnam.”

I did. I’m familiar with My lai and some other atrocities. It doesn’t constitute “thousands” of U.S. soldiers committing atrocities “reminiscent of Ghenghis Kahan” now does it?

“So what Kerry saw or didn’t see, you nor I have no idea, but his assertion about atrocities (based on the governments own report that they initially downplayed) is closer to reality than you would ever admit……..”

Really? So we know that “thousands” of U.S. soldiers participated in “atrocities”. You have proof that it was in the “thousands” do ya?

“But do carry on with your “thousands” implies all or whatever spin makes you feel better…..”

And you be sure to carry on with your own spin. As to what “thousands” implies? Well the answer is that it implies “thousands”. Nothing difficult to understand about that now is there?

larry

December 14th, 2012
1:07 pm

From 2 dead to 27 dead?

What the hell?

As a father of a six year old, i can not imagine what those poor kids went through.

There is something seriously wrong in this country when we resort to shooting kids. If you are that messed up to the point you want to take your own life, then seek help, call someone, but if you are dead set on taking your life, then just take your life. Dont kill other people just because you are misearable.

And how in the world are these people are getting the weaponary to do this? A hundred rounds?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
1:07 pm

Damn, I don’t think I’d’a told that.

A great comedy bit that I first heard from the late Lewis Grizzard (can you imagine if he had lived long enough to run an AJC blog?), but it seems that he got it from someone else.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
1:09 pm

“If not I may need go to the DR.”

Well now if you need to go to the Dr. then hurry up appleseed. No one here to hold you back.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
1:10 pm

Kamchak

wow….

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
1:12 pm

Thulsa

How do you know that Scout was involved in what Kerry was saying? Let’s get to the crux of your implication.

And again, go look it up or you can just be you and blather.

Look it up……….

And when you do you can BOOM BOOM in your pants……

You were certainly one who was in mind when I said on the last thread that the comedic tirades would ensure if Kerry is nominated. He hasn’t even been nominated and like clock work, you arrived.

I will let you rant on by yourself or with JHM. Have to run.

Peace

Regnad Kcin

December 14th, 2012
1:13 pm

The Gold Dome is percieved as corrupt. The leadership is not pleased by that perception, but don’t care enought to actually DO anything about it – it might stop the goodies from coming in.

And they have a RIGHT to the goodies, dadgummit. They’ll try to take care of their constituents, too, while there at it, but they’re pretty sure the voters don’t mind if they get a little off the top.

And even if the voters DO care, it’s just because they don’t understand…

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:13 pm

larry,

That is a massacre.

Initial media coverage was horrible as usual.

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
1:13 pm

Looks like we have another shining example of “tolerance” and “inclusion” from the left…

“An African-American ESPN commentator is under fire for racially charged comments about Robert Griffin III, the charismatic rookie quarterback for the Washington Redskins who has been lauded for his talent, brains and even ability to unite partisan lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

Since being drafted out of Baylor University after winning the 2011 Heisman Trophy, Griffin, who graduated early with honors and qualified for the Olympics as a hurdler, has become the face of his NFL team. But Rob Parker, a veteran newspaper columnist who appears regularly on several ESPN television and radio shows, played the race card on ESPN’s First Take on Thursday.

“Is he a brother, or is he a cornball brother?”
- Rob Parker, ESPN personality on RGIII

“Is he a brother, or is he a cornball brother?” Parker wondered. “”He’s not real. Okay, he’s black, he kind of does the thing, but he’s not really down with the cause. He’s not one of us. He’s kind of black, but he’s not really, like, the guy you want to hang out with because he’s off to something else.

“We all know he has a white fiancee. There was all this talk about how he’s a Republican … Tiger Woods was like, ‘I’ve got black skin but don’t call me black.’”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/12/14/not-one-us-espn-commentator-slams-rgiii-over-gop-leanings-white-fiancee/#ixzz2F3EeAzmR

Simple Truths

December 14th, 2012
1:15 pm

Jay, off topic, but relating to your post about the new Falcons stadium from earlier this week. I would enjoy you doing a follow up on that. Compare how cities like Miami and Cincinnati are after building their new stadiums.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
1:15 pm

And how in the world are these people are getting the weaponary to do this? A hundred rounds?

The report is that two 9mm guns were recovered. Depending on which model they are, they have the capacity for any where from 10 – 19 round magazines.

A hundred rounds means multiple reloads.

And they have reportedly taken a second gunman in custody.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
1:16 pm

“And how in the world are these people are getting the weaponary to do this? A hundred rounds?”

It only took a guy with a knife to kill 22 kids in China yesterday

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
1:16 pm

Doom — “Did I say that Kerry claimed “all” U.S. soldiers committed atrocities?”

No, you just claimed that he included 0311.

Scout is included in this part about “thousands of other soldiers” that you must have somehow missed.

Which, as usual, you have no proof whatsoever of. And par for the course, you’re demanding that *others* produce proof while you yourself have none. :roll:

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
1:16 pm

Looks like we have another shining example of “tolerance” and “inclusion” from the left…

Looks like we have another shining example of “broad brushism” from an individual on the right.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:18 pm

scout is Si on Duck Dynasty.

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
1:18 pm

Makes you think back to the black actress who got all the racist hate mail and death threats for supporting Mitt Romney.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
1:19 pm

“How do you know that Scout was involved in what Kerry was saying? Let’s get to the crux of your implication.”

Now you’re just sounding ridiculous tbs. Have a good day.

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
1:20 pm

“Looks like we have another shining example of “broad brushism” from an individual on the right.”

Oh my bad. I’m sure you and all your lib buddies supported Clarence Thomas and Condoleeza Rice.

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
1:20 pm

“Scout is included in this part about “thousands of other soldiers” that you must have somehow missed.”

Ok Thulsa………….

and I’m gone

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
1:22 pm

Libs love people of all shapes. sizes, colors, and religious or ethnic background…just so long as none of them dare think for themselves and stray off the lib plantation.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:22 pm

bs,

Racist much?

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
1:24 pm

Oh wow…Hillary is reneging on testifying about Benghazi, and the libs are trying to hide the results of the investigation from Congress…

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/14/state-department-preparing-for-libya-bombshell/

larry

December 14th, 2012
1:24 pm

And they have reportedly taken a second gunman in custody

A second gunman ?

To those of you who have children and grandchildren , hug them a little tighter when you get home.

I know i will

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
1:25 pm

Joe Mama,

I’m including scout in those “thousands”. You don’t like it. Tough shyte. Besides, you’re dismissed until you can back up your absurd assertion from the other day about the reporter making rude and presumptous statements. Gawd that was stupid. Remember what you said? Eff him. What now I’m saying the same to you. Toodles.

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
1:25 pm

Jay, you were looking for a scandal….guess what, I found one for you…

“State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, though, surprised lawmakers and reporters on Thursday when she indicated the report, and the secretary, might not be ready.

“The Hill has talked about a planning date on the calendar. That presumes that the (report) is finished,” Nuland said. “I don’t have any dates, any schedule of the secretary’s to announce here.”

Asked whether Clinton has committed to testify, Nuland said “it’s dependent on the work being finished.”

Further, Nuland rejected the notion that the final report on Libya needed to be shared with Congress at all. She stressed, instead, that the only thing the statute requires is for “the secretary’s response” to the report’s conclusion to be sent to Congress.

The comments were met with surprise on Capitol Hill. A spokesman for House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., who scheduled a hearing for Dec. 20, said this was the first they heard a scheduling issue.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry, D-Mass., said it’s still “the plan” for Clinton to testify on his committee next week. “

larry

December 14th, 2012
1:26 pm

Oh wow…Hillary is reneging on testifying about Benghazi, and the libs are trying to hide the results of the investigation from Congress…

We want our Watergate and we want it now!!!! Go to it Fox!!

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
1:27 pm

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:22 pm

bs,

“Racist much?”

No.

Another episode of one-word answers to stupid lib questions…..

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:27 pm

bs,

Hillary is waiting on the report like you cons should have done.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:29 pm

“No.”

bs is a racist.

His first two posts prove this fact.

larry

December 14th, 2012
1:30 pm

Besides, you’re dismissed until you can back up your absurd assertion from the other day about the reporter making rude and presumptous statements. Gawd that was stupid.

No, what was stupid was ” Americans for Prosperty ” , an anti-union organization, setting up a tent at a pro-union rally.

Now if that isn’t asking for trouble.

Americans for Prosperty, really. LOL!! They’re funny.

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
1:30 pm

getalife is an idiot.

all his posts prove this fact.

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
1:32 pm

“No, what was stupid was ” Americans for Prosperty ” , an anti-union organization, setting up a tent at a pro-union rally. ”

The nerve of those people, expecting to exercise their free speech rights when union thugs are in the neighborhood.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:32 pm

bs,

Get lost con.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

December 14th, 2012
1:33 pm

Think it’s about time to have a serious talk about gun control? Eighteen kids…whoever says there is a God is an idiot.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:34 pm

bs,

I will go to the next tea party , pick a fight and film it.

Fair enough?

oops

December 14th, 2012
1:34 pm

“Josh McKoon, R-Columbus”

crazy extremist republicans from columbus

Dharma Bum

December 14th, 2012
1:35 pm

The state Legislature could pass all of the ethics reforms they want and I still wouldn’t trust them (and that goes double for the national level).

skipper

December 14th, 2012
1:35 pm

Rob Parker was wrong…..who is he to define how RGIII should act or live his life? RGIII is not a black QB, a white QB, a green QB, or a purple QB. He is just a frickin’ QB….and he does not have to be “down” with a damn thing. By the way, and I love AND played football, he is one helluva QB. There are whites as well as blacks who ain’t good QB’s….enough of both or all to go around. Ryan Leaf, who is white, was not worth a squat. Jamarcus Russell, who is black, was not worth a squat (ok in college…busts in the NFL.) RGIII and Russell Wilson, who are black, are superb QB’s. And neither of them needs Parker to validate their play, existence, etc. Wilson left out of N.C. State to play baseball. Came back and used his year of eligibility at Wisconsin because N.C. State did not offer the major. His teammates made him captain of the team his first and only year there. And guess what, folks, he did not have to act ANY certain way…he just did it! Parker is not contributing…he is prolonging. Sad when a clown like that gets a job on ESPN, where REAL sports people like Stephen A. Smith and “Boomer” reside.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:35 pm

Corbin,

One politician talked about gun laws yesterday.

The Governor of Colorado said it is time to talk about gun laws.

larry

December 14th, 2012
1:38 pm

The nerve of those people, expecting to exercise their free speech rights when union thugs are in the neighborhood.

Especially when other people are losing their rights. Like i said, it was stupid and they were trying to cause trouble.

I wonder what would have happened if they got ignored, they wouldnt have liked it a bit.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
1:42 pm

All those little children gunned down.

Dear God,

Please help America talk about gun violence.

Just sitting here crying.

larry

December 14th, 2012
1:44 pm

Dear God,

Please help America talk about gun violence.

And , if i might add, mental health.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
1:45 pm

Now they say only 1 shooter and he is dead. 1 person taken into custody that is denying shooting anyone.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
1:45 pm

“Please help America talk about gun violence”

Dear God – Please help America talk about violence”

The guns were just the tools. The PROBLEM is the violent.

did you see that 22 children were attacked in China by someone with a knife? The issue is violence, not guns.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 14th, 2012
1:46 pm

POLITICIZE this tragedy. P-O-L-I-T-C-I-Z-E it.

Nowwwwww.

oops

December 14th, 2012
1:48 pm

“did you see that 22 children were attacked in China by someone with a knife? ”

I’m anti-Ninja.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 14th, 2012
1:53 pm

Doggone/GA: “did you see that 22 children were attacked in China by someone with a knife? The issue is violence, not guns.”

There is truth to this. We’re witnessing a breakdown of the very psyche of the human being, before our eyes, with the onset of a nihilism that erodes very basic structures in the human mind. And it is global.

However, the lesson is not to throw up our hands and say that gun control is useless. On the contrary, gun control on a MASSIVE scale is absolutely essential, and inevitable.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
1:53 pm

Doggone/GA

I’m so tired of that line of crap.

Yes, a sick ba$tard pulls the trigger, but we continue to allow it by not dealing with
how easy it is for sick ba$tards to get a gun.

Until we deal with the guns, the sick ba$tards won’t stop.

Regnad Kcin

December 14th, 2012
1:54 pm

““Looks like we have another shining example of “broad brushism” from an individual on the right.”

Oh my bad. I’m sure you and all your lib buddies supported Clarence Thomas and Condoleeza Rice’

WOW! Another example! You’re on a roll today! :)

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 14th, 2012
1:55 pm

Bro

I can’t watch the live report any more. It is making me sick to think about the kids and their families.

oops

December 14th, 2012
1:55 pm

“We’re witnessing a breakdown of the very psyche of the human being, before our eyes, with the onset of a nihilism that erodes very basic structures in the human mind. And it is global.”

Socialism. It is global. Erodes the family. Eat your Wheaties.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 14th, 2012
1:55 pm

Ya’ll keep waving your guns around and killing our kids and we will take them away from you. Either get a grip on the crazies owning guns or we are going to have to pull a Barney Fife and “nip the whole thing in the bud.”

oops

December 14th, 2012
1:56 pm

“I can’t watch the live report any more. ”

Teevee is bad for you. Kill your TV, not your friends and neighbors.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
1:56 pm

Well at least welcome to the occupation is upfront and honest about wanting to politicize this. Don’tcha just know the libs are just dying to find out more so they can politicize it. I’ll bet they were pissed when the Arizona shooter had no political affiliation or when the Va. Tech shooter was Asian.

Regnad Kcin

December 14th, 2012
1:56 pm

“I’m including scout in those “thousands”. You don’t like it.”

So, Mr. Doom admits he makes up his “facts.” We would do well to remember this admission the next time he presents some “facts.”

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 14th, 2012
1:57 pm

Just remember – the Cons did give an idiot the keys to the nukes for 8 years…..

Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak

December 14th, 2012
1:58 pm

Socialism. It is global.

Socialism — BOO!

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
1:58 pm

Regnad,

There’s nothing to make up. Mr. Kerry said “thousands” of U.S. troops committed atrocities. If I or Scout believe that Mr. Kerry is referring to ground troops like Scout then that is our right to do so. You don’t like it that’s just tough. You’re just mad cause I exposed your lack of basic economics knowledge yesterday.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

December 14th, 2012
1:59 pm

To all you NRA supporters, what if one of those 18 were one or two of yours? What would your views be then? I personally wish the NRA would rot in Hell. Children are sacred.

The other half of your brain.

December 14th, 2012
2:01 pm

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:34 pm

President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.”

True.

GetaClue, Then you must of loved Reagen.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:02 pm

granny godzilla,

Maybe we should adopt the gun laws of places like DC,Chicago, etc. You know-places where they have the toughest gun laws but the most gun violence.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
2:04 pm

Doom — “Joe Mama, I’m including scout in those “thousands”. You don’t like it. Tough shyte.”

Include him all you want. You have no proof. Tougher shyte. (laughing) :D

“Besides, you’re dismissed”

Your dismissal, like you yourself, is irrelevant.

“until you can back up your absurd assertion from the other day about the reporter making rude and presumptous statements. Gawd that was stupid.”

Guess you missed your spanking that evening, Thelma. (laughing, pointing) :D

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/12/12/the-taxpayer-the-falcons-and-the-question-of-priorities/?cp=7#comment-1174317

“Remember what you said? Eff him.”

And just like Senator Kerry, you don’t get to decide what he means any more than you get to decide what I mean. :D

“What now I’m saying the same to you. Toodles.”

Don’t let the door hit you on your sore hind end on the way out, Doomie! (giggle) :D

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:04 pm

Yep. They’re starting to go nuts over the 2nd amendment. Kinda sick to use a tragedy for their political crap. But then were talking about liberals. And they do love they emotionalism parades they do.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
2:04 pm

I’m sure you and all your lib buddies supported Clarence Thomas and Condoleeza Rice.

Honestly, “I” didn’t give a rat’s ass about either one. I think my liberal friends had their own opinions just as my conservative friends did. What none of my friends nor I engage in is broad brushism which you can’t seem to survive without. Must suck to be you, but I bet Sherwin Williams has you on speed dial.

:lol:

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
2:05 pm

Doom — ” If I or Scout believe that Mr. Kerry is referring to ground troops like Scout then that is our right to do so.”

Your belief that it’s true doesn’t *make* it true.

You can believe all you want. Doesn’t make it factual, though.

The other half of your brain.

December 14th, 2012
2:06 pm

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think

December 14th, 2012
1:59 pm

To all you NRA supporters, what if one of those 18 were one or two of yours? What would your views be then? I personally wish the NRA would rot in Hell. Children are sacred.

Corbin, I am not a member of the NRA and I don’t own a handgun, but do you really think that if the good people all gave their guns up that the criminals would?

I believe that all life is sacred, regardless of age. I know if anyone hurt someone in my family they would have to deal with me.
The laws in our country suck as do a lot of the Judges.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:07 pm

I got Joe Mama writing novels. Right on cue. I have to admit. I do like the (giggle), the (laughing, pointing) and the smiley face emoticon I do. Even when he tries to insult me he makes me laugh. Ya gotta love that! Thanks much Joe mama.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
2:08 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:02 pm

granny godzilla,

Maybe we should adopt the gun laws of places like DC,Chicago, etc. You know-places where they have the toughest gun laws but the most gun violence.

.
.
.
.

ARe you telling this entire forum that you don’t know what happened to those Chicago gun laws?

Not only are you a cold hearted SOB, but not too well informed either.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
2:09 pm

I’m outa’ here….

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:09 pm

You can believe all you blah blah blah. Fun-knee!

East Lake Ira

December 14th, 2012
2:11 pm

The other half of your brain.

December 14th, 2012
2:12 pm

Granny, Gun laws or no gun laws, the nuts will always have them. There is no way to stop the nuts, not with millions of guns in our country.

JamVet

December 14th, 2012
2:12 pm

Just remember – the Cons did give an idiot the keys to the nukes for 8 years…..

That I do like.

I stated the obvious – Mitt Romney was and is wholly unfit to lead this great nation.

Thankfully the voting public agreed.

And unless and until they start nominating some intelligent people of principled integrity and moral courage, who aren’t ostracized as RINOs like Jon Huntsman, I see the Republicans not getting the White House back for some considerable time.

Perhaps 2024…

Welcome to the Occupation

December 14th, 2012
2:13 pm

Thulsa: “Well at least welcome to the occupation is upfront and honest about wanting to politicize this.”

The Columbine killers of course really wanted to blow up their entire school, but they failed to pull it off technically.

The thing that an automatic gun is: a technical means for drastically reducing the odds of failing in your attempt at killing large numbers.

East Lake Ira

December 14th, 2012
2:13 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:14 pm

“Not only are you a cold hearted SOB, but not too well informed either”

Sorry granny but you cannot peer into my heart and know what I feel or what I think. Like everyone else on here I think this is a terrible tragedy and I feel terrible for the kids and parents involved. But it doesnt stop me from thinking about an issue rationally.

We all know about the recent Chicago gun laws in the court.But that was very recent. Doesn’t change what’s been going on before that for years and years. Stringent gun laws and yet unabated gun violence including a staggering number of deaths this year. Is there something about that that you don’t understand?

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
2:15 pm

Like Digby said:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

—–

When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, nobody said that we should just pray for the victims and do nothing about it. When terrorists used planes full of people as missiles and killed thousands of Americans, few suggested that it was an inevitable tragedy that shouldn’t be politicized. The country took action to prevent those things from happening again. In fact, the nation went far beyond the bounds of decency and reason to do so, locking up entire races of Americans, starting needless wars and ramping up an expensive and unnecessary police surveillance state. Multiple Constitutional rights were and continue to be violated.

But very few went out of their way to suggest that the only reaction to these tragedies should be solemn mourning. These incidents involving heartbreaking loss of innocent life were intensely political, and appropriately so. In fact, to have done nothing in the wake of 9/11 and Pearl Harbor would have seemed to most Americans to have shown callous disregard for the victims, and disdain for the lives of victims of similar attacks to come.

There is no reason that these almost routine gun massacres in America should be viewed any differently. Those who wish to take steps to ensure that the next massacre be prevented–and they are entirely preventable–are showing the greatest respect for the lives of the victims. They’re the ones who are trying to make sure that they didn’t perish in vain, and that similar future massacres don’t claim any more innocents. It is intervention of the most necessary kind.

Prayers and sympathy are nice. But they accomplish nothing, and show no greater respect. Prayers won’t help the victims or stop the next massacre. Call it politics or any other term that seems fitting, but it’s long past time we started making sure this sort of thing cannot happen again. It’s the right thing to do.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
2:16 pm

Doom — “I got Joe Mama writing novels.”

Oh, Doomie, I know anything longer than thirty words qualifies as a ‘novel’ to you (laughing) :D

Pick up your reading pace or we’re never going to finish this argument before 5 PM. :D

“Right on cue. I have to admit. I do like the (giggle), the (laughing, pointing) and the smiley face emoticon I do.”

I know you do! I can tell because you complain about them so much! (laughing, pointing) :D

“Even when he tries to insult me he makes me laugh. Ya gotta love that! Thanks much Joe mama.”

You and your sore hiney are both very welcome. :D

Gale

December 14th, 2012
2:16 pm

Maybe we should start by a law to prevent selling ammunition. You want to fire your gun, you need to learn to load bullets and shells. A sportsman has no need of an assault rifle, nor more rounds than can be fired at a range in one visit or a week of hunting. My dad would go hunting with a box of slugs and come home with half the box unused. We just need to get real about what the 2nd amendment really means.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
2:17 pm

Doom — “Sorry granny but you cannot peer into my heart and know what I feel or what I think”

Irony Meter PEGGED

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
2:17 pm

Shooter identified as Ryan Lanza, he reportedly had a Glock and a Sig Sauer.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:17 pm

“The thing that an automatic gun is: a technical means for drastically reducing the odds of failing in your attempt at killing large numbers.”

Did you honestly think you were posting something that everybody doesn’t already know?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
2:18 pm

wow, mass murders happening weekly if not more frequently and the response from the idiot conned is that “nothing much can be done.” What a crock of nonsense. There is plenty that can be done but idiots only proclaim to care about the children and fetuses….actually protecting them is a whole ‘nother thing

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:19 pm

“Irony Meter PEGGED”

Ya got that right! Apparently John Kerry thinks he can. Tanks Joe!

jebbery

December 14th, 2012
2:19 pm

“political entitlement” – the only kind of entitlement Bookman doesn’t like.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 14th, 2012
2:20 pm

Thulsa Doom: “Kinda sick to use a tragedy for their political crap. ”

The meaning of the tragedy is primarily political. This breakdown of human civilization is a black hole opening up in the midst of us. The only response to that is one that is radically political.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:21 pm

And there will always be some garbage thinking that the gubment can just go out there and confiscate millions of guns already out there. What a crock of nonsense.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:22 pm

“The only response to that is one that is radically political.”

You’ld make Lenin proud.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 14th, 2012
2:22 pm

Thulsa Doom: “Did you honestly think you were posting something that everybody doesn’t already know?”

You don’t know it, so yeah.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
2:23 pm

Only an idiot would claim that the only response of govt would be to confiscate millions of guns.

indigo

December 14th, 2012
2:23 pm

Another gun nut kills many people, this time a large number of school children. Those of us with common sense will call for stern gun laws and, if possible, guns only for the military and police as our Constitution calls for.

Those of you with phallic challenges and little or no conscience will fight to the death to keep you guns.

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

Right, tools?

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
2:27 pm

“I’m so tired of that line of crap.”

then how about THIS line of crap: he could have attacked them with a knife, or a baseball bat, or a machete…or he could have waitied until they were all lined up at the end of the day and plowed into them with a car.

So *I* think we need to have much greated controls over knives and machetes and baseball bats and cars. Because someone violent MIGHT, POSSIBLY, SOME DAY use them to attack children.

I have no patience with attacking the tools used when the PROBLEM is the violent PERSON

Welcome to the Occupation

December 14th, 2012
2:29 pm

The kind of thing I’m talking about — get this, Thulsa, you’ll love it — are things like:

Having the state go in and shut the doors of gun shops like this one in Athens, TN http://www.allamericangunshop.com , hauling the proprietors out and into custody for public humiliation and shaming, and ..:

Ripping down its despicable billboards that pollute the highways in SE Tennessee.

Confiscate the assets of such gun vendors.

Pass laws against automatic weapons that makes the Brady Bill look tame.

Invert our entire legal system so that the vast complex of prisons we’ve built to fill up with people for petty drug offenses are instead filled with those caught with automatic weapons, with sentences ten times as high for those caught selling them.

How’s that for radical, Thulse?

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:30 pm

Only a complete imbecile thinks much can be done. He can bluster like a complete fool though.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:31 pm

Welcome to the occupation,

Now you’re talkin!

moonbat betty

December 14th, 2012
2:32 pm

Well said, Doggone/GA.

Our society is chock full of self righteous priks and it seems to continue to get worse.

I can’t believe this shyte.

God help us.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:35 pm

“So *I* think we need to have much greated controls over knives and machetes and baseball bats and cars. Because someone violent MIGHT, POSSIBLY, SOME DAY use them to attack children”

Rwanda in 1996. The Hutus slaughtered some 800,000 Tutsis and Hutu moderates in a genocide campaign. The main weapon of choice? Machetes and hoes which were imported by the thousands for the mass genocide. Guns and bullets were too expensive so for the most part the slaughtering was done by machete and hoe. But yet no one there is talking about banning machetes and hoes which in a subsistence agrarian society are essential for slashing forest and planting crop.

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
2:35 pm

Gale

December 14th, 2012
2:16 pm
Maybe we should start by a law to prevent selling ammunition. You want to fire your gun, you need to learn to load bullets and shells. A sportsman has no need of an assault rifle, nor more rounds than can be fired at a range in one visit
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Have you ever been to a range?

You can go through 100 rounds in no time.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
2:36 pm

“Well said, Doggone/GA”

thank you, but I will say that because I don’t know everyone who owns a gun…I don’t TRUST ANY of them. We’ve got people around here shotting guns for whatever reason they have and if I’m home, I bring my dogs in and stay in the house. I’m not putting myself or my dogs knowingly in the way of someone who MIGHT decide that a live target is more fun than a paper one.

Regnad Kcin

December 14th, 2012
2:37 pm

““The thing that an automatic gun is: a technical means for drastically reducing the odds of failing in your attempt at killing large numbers.”

Did you honestly think you were posting something that everybody doesn’t already know?”
==========

Why does that acknowledged fact bother you so much, Mr. Doom?

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:37 pm

“You don’t know it, so yeah.”

On top of being a fashionable revolutionary occupation is also a mindreader. So is he a revolutionary mindreader. Or a mindreading revolutionary? Hmmm.

Mike Fitzgerald

December 14th, 2012
2:39 pm

Mr. Bookman,

I appreciate what you are doing to keep the pressure on ethics reform. I know this post is off topic but this massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School upsets me very much and I wanted to see if you might weigh in on the issue. You always have an intelligent take on current events and maybe you could help make sense of this mass killing of small children. Could you support a ban on assault rifles and handguns in the City of Atlanta or do you know of a group that supports passage of such a ban?

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
2:39 pm

Welcome to the Occupation

December 14th, 2012
2:13 pm
Thulsa: “Well at least welcome to the occupation is upfront and honest about wanting to politicize this.”

The Columbine killers of course really wanted to blow up their entire school, but they failed to pull it off technically.

The thing that an automatic gun is: a technical means for drastically reducing the odds of failing in your attempt at killing large numbers.
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It’s a good thing that neither they nor the Conn shooter(s) had AUTOMATIC guns.

Gale

December 14th, 2012
2:39 pm

Actually, TBG, no. My experience is shotguns and it would take me a week to load 400 shells to use for a weekend registered trap meet. I have a hard time figuring what kind of target competition uses up more than a 100 rounds of shells in short order. When do you manage to aim?

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:39 pm

Regnad,

It doesn’t. I just don’t understand why he posted something that’s kinda self evident and obvious to all of us. That’s all. I mean jeez. Who the eff doesn’t know that automatic weapons can kill a lot of people?

Regnad Kcin

December 14th, 2012
2:41 pm

“Only a complete imbecile thinks much can be done”

You’re a quitter and a fatalist, Mr.Doom. Let’s do nothing about the slaughter of innocents – is this a conservative position, Mr. Doom, or just yours?

getalife

December 14th, 2012
2:41 pm

This massacre is a nightmare.

We unite to show unity for the victims.

Not the time for politics.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
2:41 pm

Only a complete imbecile thinks much can be done. He can bluster like a complete fool though

Posted by the absolute complete idiot Doom. Why don’t you try not being yourself and act intelligent for once.

I just got off the phone with a very close friend who is from Newtown. I have visited there a number of times myself. Her family members are there and relatives attend that school. Waiting for word on losses. One family member is distraught and left without her phone to go to the school.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
2:42 pm

Doom — “Ya got that right! Apparently John Kerry thinks he can.”

Apparently you think you can, too. :D

godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me

December 14th, 2012
2:43 pm

Ya’ll keep waving your guns around and killing our kids and we will take them away from you. Either get a grip on the crazies owning guns or we are going to have to pull a Barney Fife and “nip the whole thing in the bud.

And because of opinions like Finn’s, the NRA exists.

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
2:45 pm

Gale

December 14th, 2012
2:39 pm
Actually, TBG, no. My experience is shotguns and it would take me a week to load 400 shells to use for a weekend registered trap meet. I have a hard time figuring what kind of target competition uses up more than a 100 rounds of shells in short order. When do you manage to aim?
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I take my handgun to the range along with 2 15 round clips. I usually reload about 5 or 6 times.

NEVER said anything about target competition.

I’m talking about going to the gun range where gun owners maintain proficiency with their weapon(s).

Some people also rent various guns to shoot at the range to try out before selecting one to purchase.

You go through a lot of rounds doing that.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
2:46 pm

I have a hard time figuring what kind of target competition uses up more than a 100 rounds of shells in short order.

I go to the range maybe 6-7 times a year, and it takes about an hour for me to shoot 100-150 rounds. I’m pretty much ready to leave by then.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:47 pm

“I’m not putting myself or my dogs knowingly in the way of someone who MIGHT decide that a live target is more fun than a paper one.”

Unfortunately there are crazy, nutty people who are complete asswipes all over and not much that can be done. My neighbor across the road found a puppy on the side of road that had cigarette burns all over him. She rescued him and now he has a great home. Out here in the country sometimes someone will randomly shoot a dog, cow, or other animal. In the Gulf right now dolphins have been found with their fins cut off, shot, and jaws sawed off. What kinds of sick asswipe cruel people do all these things? Nobody knows. We just know that they are out there and there’s really not a whole lot that can be done about cruel and viscious people like this.

indigo

December 14th, 2012
2:52 pm

Doggone/GA – 2:27

Japan, Canada, England, Ireland, Scotland, France, Spain, Portugal, France and Germany, just to name a few, have plenty of knives, large sticks, machetes and cars. However, they don’t have the large number of personal guns we have in America.

So, I guess, large numbers of people are murdered in these countries every year by knives, bats, machetes and cars.

Right?

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
2:52 pm

“We just know that they are out there and there’s really not a whole lot that can be done about cruel and viscious people like this.”

Maybe not, but one thing we CAN do is require that the marks on the bullets from EVERY gun be recorded and cataloged, with the owners name and SSN. That will go a long way towards identifying where a gun used in a crime came from

Gale

December 14th, 2012
2:52 pm

See TBG, that is the difference. I think of a gun as a target or hunting weapon. If one is not seeking accuracy, I don’t see the point. If you can hit the target, you don’t need lots of bullets. Shooters like the Conn. shooter apparently like the mayhem of spraying bullets around. Well, basically, I still like my way of limiting ammunition. You want to shoot em, you gotta load em.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 14th, 2012
2:52 pm

Here’s the guy’s Twitter feed. Some chilling entries.

https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
2:54 pm

“Why don’t you try not being yourself and act intelligent for once.”

Why don’t you try heeding your own advice sandflea?

“I just got off the phone with a very close friend who is from Newtown. I have visited there a number of times myself. Her family members are there and relatives attend that school. Waiting for word on losses. One family member is distraught and left without her phone to go to the school.”

That sucks. The whole situation sucks and is a terrible tragedy. But what in the hell does that have to do with what we are mainly talking about- namely the idea that the govt can actually do something about crazy crap like this? I think everyone’s heart goes out to the victims. But what is it that you specifically think can be done to avert random crazy shyte?

Regnad Kcin

December 14th, 2012
2:56 pm

“Maybe not, but one thing we CAN do is require that the marks on the bullets from EVERY gun be recorded and cataloged, with the owners name and SSN. That will go a long way towards identifying where a gun used in a crime came from”

Bingo – I’m sure some cheap technology exists (or can be quickly developed) that can do this on a while-you-wait basis.

Okay, what are the scond amendment objections to this plan?

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
2:56 pm

“Japan, Canada, England, Ireland, Scotland, France, Spain, Portugal, France and Germany, just to name a few, have plenty of knives, large sticks, machetes and cars. However, they don’t have the large number of personal guns we have in America”

they also don’t have the history of personal freedoms that we have, and they have nowhere NEAR the population we have. You want freedoms? Well, freedoms aren’t free. Ask youself, WHY don’t they have the number of gus we have? Because they gave up the freedom to have them. We didn’t, and won’t.

indigo

December 14th, 2012
2:57 pm

Doom

Tell you what you do.

Go the some of the funeals for these murdered kids.

Go up to the grieving parents and say “well, take heart that you live in America where almost any old fool has the right to keep and bear arms”.

Then, before they can reply, say “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”.

If that doesn’t comfort them, just repeat what’s been said here about knives, machetes, baseball bats and cars.

I just know this will make them feel sooooooooooo much better.

williebkind

December 14th, 2012
2:57 pm

ethics – The principles of right and wrong that are accepted by an individual or a social group.

- Motivation based on ideas of right and wrong

Dharma Bum

December 14th, 2012
2:57 pm

getalife @2:41
Well said

larry

December 14th, 2012
2:57 pm

Shot and killed his own mother, who was an elementary school teacher at the school.

Speaks volumes.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
2:58 pm

Here’s the guy’s Twitter feed.

Looks like he had problems being rejected.

Recon 0311 2533

December 14th, 2012
2:58 pm

“I have no patience with attacking the tools used when the PROBLEM is the violent PERSON”

Amen to that. In a free and open society these types of deranged people unfortunately can commit these horrible crimes. Many have their views as to what should be done but there is nothing that can be done to completely eliminate these tragedies short of curtailing our freedoms and closing our society. We can and should however, do a better job of protecting our children. I think there should be armed security in every school with CATV monitoring everywhere within the building and school grounds.

williebkind

December 14th, 2012
3:00 pm

Now what do liberals know about ideas of right and wrong in a red state? Do we hear ethics concerns in NYC or San Francisco–nope just places like Ga. where liberals dont have control.

godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me

December 14th, 2012
3:00 pm

Police are also questioning another man in connection with the shooting. Witnesses told the Connecticut Post that a handcuffed man, dressed in camouflage, was led out of a nearby woods by officers.

Some poor deer hunter in the wrong place at the wrong time?

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:01 pm

Gale

December 14th, 2012
2:52 pm
See TBG, that is the difference. I think of a gun as a target or hunting weapon. – Are you saying that you wouldn’t use your gun as a means of self defense?

If one is not seeking accuracy, I don’t see the point. If you can hit the target, you don’t need lots of bullets. – OK

Shooters like the Conn. shooter apparently like the mayhem of spraying bullets around. Well, basically, I still like my way of limiting ammunition. You want to shoot em, you gotta load em. – Are you saying if he had to load his own rounds, this would not have hapened?

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
3:01 pm

Thulsa Doom
December 14th, 2012
1:56 pm

Don’tcha just know the libs are just dying to find out more so they can politicize it.

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Thulsa Doom
December 14th, 2012
2:02 pm

granny godzilla,

Maybe we should adopt the gun laws of places like DC,Chicago, etc. You know-places where they have the toughest gun laws but the most gun violence.

Didn’t take 6 minutes before those liberals started politicizing this. Oh wait…. Nevermind.

:roll:

williebkind

December 14th, 2012
3:02 pm

The shooter should have gone to church more and this would not have happened.

indigo

December 14th, 2012
3:02 pm

Doggone/GA – “we didn’t, and won’t”

And, as a result of that kind of thinking, at least 20,000 people will be murdered by guns every year.

It’s next to unbelievable to see that gun owernship means so much to those like you that no gun murder tragedy has the slightest effect on the gun obsession that rules you.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
3:02 pm

” I think there should be armed security in every school with CATV monitoring everywhere within the building and school grounds.”

and damn the PEOPLE who make it neccessary to even contemplate having to do something like that

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
3:04 pm

“Are you saying if he had to load his own rounds, this would not have hapened?

And what are you going to do? Sit and watch over him to be sure he does? He’d just buy them on the black market if he can’t buy them openly.

Aquagirl

December 14th, 2012
3:05 pm

But what is it that you specifically think can be done to avert random crazy shyte?

If that’s the real shooter’s twitter feed, he should never have owned a gun. The crazy guy in Arizona was kicked out of school for being crazy and he could still buy a gun. The VA Tech shooter was a known stalker and crazy. Did he buy guns? Does the Pope $#!^ in the woods?

But thank goodness some erectile-challenged dude out there can buy 27 guns whenever he thinks about his small wee-wee. That’s what’s important.

larry

December 14th, 2012
3:05 pm

I think there should be armed security in every school with CATV monitoring everywhere within the building and school grounds.

So let’s make schools like prisions ? Yep, that will help children learn.

I wonder if this fool bought his weapons over the internet. If he did , he got around the regulations that are in place to protect us from people like him. Thus, we need new regulations to curtail sales over the internet.

We shouldnt let anybody who wants a gun , get a gun. And there needs to be better reporting of mental health problems.

Regnad Kcin

December 14th, 2012
3:05 pm

“Maybe not, but one thing we CAN do is require that the marks on the bullets from EVERY gun be recorded and cataloged, with the owners name and SSN. That will go a long way towards identifying where a gun used in a crime came from”

In fact, sell no ammunition without the buyer’s SSN engraved on it.

williebkind

December 14th, 2012
3:05 pm

He was an evil soul and his actions cannot be explained otherwise.

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:06 pm

indigo

December 14th, 2012
2:57 pm
Doom

Tell you what you do.

Go the some of the funeals for these murdered kids.

Go up to the grieving parents and say “well, take heart that you live in America where almost any old fool has the right to keep and bear arms”.

Then, before they can reply, say “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”.

If that doesn’t comfort them, just repeat what’s been said here about knives, machetes, baseball bats and cars.

I just know this will make them feel sooooooooooo much better.
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WOW!!

That was just dumb.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
3:06 pm

“It’s next to unbelievable to see that gun owernship means so much to those like you that no gun murder tragedy has the slightest effect on the gun obsession that rules you”

I do not own, have never owned, and have no intention of ever owning a gun. It’s not gun ownership that is important to me…it’s not restricting the freedoms of LAW ABIDING OWNERS that is VERY important to me.

oops

December 14th, 2012
3:06 pm

this is the time when not to watch the news

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
3:06 pm

Doom lies, people die. You are a buffoon Doom without a shred of reality and comprehension. You come to this blow whining because you failed to protect your dog and because you failed in your responsibility, the dog died. You intentionally act like a blogaswipe. There is plenty that can be done and if you don’t know it you are plainly stupid. Try looking up common sense solutions proposed by the Brady Center. The failure of you and others like you, to wail that “oh lordy there aint nothing that can be done” when police and others have called for new laws and money for enforcement, puts these bodies are YOUR feet. Take some responsibility for your support of poorly written laws proposed by the NRA. Take responsibility for not fixing “Stand your ground” laws. But do NOT shyte here as if you are using a brain when you are just pulling it out of your arse and say there is nothing that can be done to reduce this repeated insanity.

godless heathen Christmas has declared war on me

December 14th, 2012
3:07 pm

One thing the shooter could be sure of: He’d be the only MF in there with a gun.

williebkind

December 14th, 2012
3:07 pm

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:06 pm
Really? What is dumb is asking the bereaved parents that question.

williebkind

December 14th, 2012
3:10 pm

“Try looking up common sense solutions proposed by the Brady Center”

Now that is a great “sympathy law”! The Brady Act. She and her husband lost wealth and position so somebody should pay for it.

JamVet

December 14th, 2012
3:11 pm

willie, don’t you have your own private cesspool that you can wallow around in?

Recon 0311 2533

December 14th, 2012
3:13 pm

“We shouldnt let anybody who wants a gun , get a gun. And there needs to be better reporting of mental health problems.”

Unfortunately the age of political correctness has been an impediment to identifying those with mental issues and minimizing their access to firearms. BTW…children see armed police officers frequently, so I don’t think armed security in and around campus would have any effect on the learning process.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
3:14 pm

it’s not restricting the freedoms of LAW ABIDING OWNERS that is VERY important to me.

THIS!!!!!!!

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
3:14 pm

Doggone,

That might do some good but even then guns and ammo can be stolen and I suppose ammo can be made black market. In the case of this crazy shyte in Conn. we would know he killed them after the fact. By then its too late. But I would be for that if it would be a reasonable and justifiable cost. And even then like I said I’m not sure it would even make a difference.

catlady

December 14th, 2012
3:14 pm

So many of our legislators and other “leaders” should be put out of office over their rampant self-aggrandizement.

williebkind

December 14th, 2012
3:15 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!
“But do NOT shyte here as if you are using a brain when you are just pulling it out of your arse and say there is nothing that can be done to reduce this repeated insanity”

Doom is right and you are wrong! I do not care how emotional you become. The only true fix is to become a police state or strict socialist state. I live in a free will state and I have to witness this kind of evil at times. Maybe your permissive liberal ideas have contributed to this evil event.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
3:15 pm

School shooting SHEETZ!

AmericaShrugged

December 14th, 2012
3:16 pm

The environment of hopelessness created by Obama in the Millenium generation; no jobs, no future worth having, is now manifesting itself it the most tragic ways. Something must be done.

williebkind

December 14th, 2012
3:16 pm

JamVet

You are so kind!

JamVet

December 14th, 2012
3:16 pm

Think nothing of it. (As I hold my nose!)

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:16 pm

indigo

December 14th, 2012
3:02 pm
Doggone/GA – “we didn’t, and won’t”

And, as a result of that kind of thinking, at least 20,000 people will be murdered by guns every year. – No one has EVER been murdered by a gun. They were murdered by a PERSON using a gun.

It’s next to unbelievable to see that gun owernship means so much to those like you that no gun murder tragedy has the slightest effect on the gun obsession that rules you. – No one has EVER been murdered by a gun. They were murdered by PEOPLE using guns.

BIG difference.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
3:17 pm

“That might do some good but even then guns and ammo can be stolen and I suppose ammo can be made black market”

Yes, they can be stolen…and it would be the responsibility of the owner to REPORT it stolen, so that HE doesn’t get interegated for a crime. And stolen ammo will still pick up marks from whatever gun it gets shot out of. That’s why the marks from the GUN need to be recorded.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
3:17 pm

Willie, absolute nonsense and apparently you have not looked as many of the suggestions of the Brady Center and others. But your scream of socialist shows that you are not thinking before you post

Dharma Bum

December 14th, 2012
3:19 pm

AmericaShrugged @3:16

Hyperbole at best…

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:19 pm

It’s next to unbelievable to see that gun owernship means so much to those like you that no gun murder tragedy has the slightest effect on the gun obsession that rules you.
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Doggone, didn’t you say you DO NOT own a gun, are AFRAID of guns, and do not KNOW anyone that owns a gun?

If that’s true, how can you be OBSESSED with guns? :roll:

catlady

December 14th, 2012
3:19 pm

And Ralston knows his “friends” won’t vote it in. It is a win-win for him. He can look like the is supporting it, but he “won’t be able to do anything about it” because it has to pass his equally-corrupt colleagues.

Jerome Horwitz

December 14th, 2012
3:19 pm

Don’t know what the answer is, but, it’s just too damn easy for crazy people to get guns in this country. Kids shot in schools, movie, theatres, dufus in FL shoots into a carload of kids because their music is too loud. Just something wrong.

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
3:04 pm
“Are you saying if he had to load his own rounds, this would not have hapened?

And what are you going to do? Sit and watch over him to be sure he does? He’d just buy them on the black market if he can’t buy them openly.
________________________________
EXACTLY

Crazy people find ways to do crazy shyte.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
3:22 pm

“You are a buffoon Doom blah blah blah

“You come to this blow whining because you failed to protect your dog and because you failed in your responsibility, the dog died.”

What in the hell does that have to do with anything we are discussing on the blog today? Or with the price of tea in china for that matter? I mean jeez are you just melting down and you can’t stick to the subject at hand. You’re just going off on random crap in the faint hope that you’re gonna hurt my feelings? Dude you’re just looking stupid bringing up crap that has no relevance.

“There is plenty that can be done and if you don’t know it you are plainly stupid.” blah blah blah.

Well if there is so much that can be done that you are absolutely convinced would solve or decrease events like this then please enlighten all of us Mr. brilliant. I’m all ears. And try to keep it relevant. I doubt anybody gives a damn about Doomy’s dead dog. Jeez.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
3:28 pm

The environment of hopelessness created by Obama in the Millenium generation; no jobs, no future worth having, is now manifesting itself it the most tragic ways. Something must be done.

Somebody’s ODS is kicking into overdrive. Geez. It’s not like anything like this happened before Obama was sworn in, right?

:roll:

August 1, 1966: University of Texas: 13 victims

January 17, 1989: Cleveland School shooting: 6 victims

December 1, 1997: Heath High School Paducah, KY: 3 victims

No need to mention Columbine or Virgina Tech, but yeah this brand new problem is all because of Obama…

:roll:

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:29 pm

williebkind

December 14th, 2012
3:07 pm
That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:06 pm
Really? What is dumb is asking the bereaved parents that question
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Exactly. That’s what I said.

Not sure of the point you are trying to make.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
3:29 pm

“And stolen ammo will still pick up marks from whatever gun it gets shot out of. That’s why the marks from the GUN need to be recorded.”

I dunno. I can see a lot of straw men purchases being made and then the straw man just turning around and claiming he had a burglary and saying bullets were stolen or lost when he really just sold them. And then there would be the added cost to the mfger and lawful gun owners.

Gale

December 14th, 2012
3:32 pm

TBG, Yes, I would use my shotgun for self defense and I feel much safer with it than I do with a handgun. I think just closing a double barreled shotgun would give some bad guys pause. I don’t have to be real accurate to make a big hole. I have to have much steadier nerves to aim a handgun.

And it is hard to say if loading his own shells would have kept him from his murder binge. I always found the repetition of loading had a calming effect on me, And shooting those same shells at targets was very calming as well. Maybe the same exercise would have helped work through what were apparently overwhelming issues in his life.

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:35 pm

Gale

December 14th, 2012
3:32 pm
TBG, Yes, I would use my shotgun for self defense and I feel much safer with it than I do with a handgun. I think just closing a double barreled shotgun would give some bad guys pause. I don’t have to be real accurate to make a big hole. I have to have much steadier nerves to aim a handgun
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i have a Mossburg 12 ga for the home, but the hand gun is for when I’m out. Kinda weird carring a shot gun in public.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
3:41 pm

I’m out. I hate to start the weekend off on such a downer. But we had a great season so I’m taking the whole crew out for drinks for a few hours, dinner, and then some pony action.

Yall have a great weekend. You too Joe Mama.

keep up,

We may engage in jackassery with each other all day long but I sincerely hope your friend and her family’s children are ok. May God be with them. And you too sir.

Gale

December 14th, 2012
3:44 pm

Agreed, TBG. I have never felt the need to be armed when I am in public. I know the arguments for carrying guns in public. It just is not for me.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
3:47 pm

Doom — “Yall have a great weekend. You too Joe Mama. ”

And you as well.

Be sure to use a designate driver, Doom. A drunk driver crossed the center line during the holidays 18 years ago and totalled my car out from under me. Fortunately, I was driving a Grad Student Special (a mid-70s Chevy Caprice Classic) and I had my belts on, so I walked away with only bruises.

The drunk? He did a header through his windshield, landed on the sidewalk and GOT UP to ask ‘wha happen?’

Witnesses were most helpful in describing the scene to the police.

Long story short, be careful around the holidays, especially if anyone’s planning on drinking.

Erwin's cat

December 14th, 2012
4:24 pm

Dog – Japan, Canada, England, Ireland, Scotland, France, Spain, Portugal, France and Germany, just to name a few, have plenty of knives, large sticks, machetes and cars. However, they don’t have the large number of personal guns we have in America.

Look at Switzerland before making causation from coloration…if that’s what you are doing (I’m late to the party again)

fair and balanced

December 15th, 2012
12:05 am

I hear Deal got a couple business associates he thinks would be perfect for heading up a panel on ehtics reform-top priority for the guvrnor.

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