Time for Legislature to get serious about ethics reform

If serious ethics reform passes the Georgia Legislature this year, House Speaker David Ralston will have played a major role from beginning to end.

His biggest contribution probably came in helping to inspire the public crusade that has pushed the issue to such prominence in the first place. If he had not taken his family on a $17,000 holiday trip to Europe at lobbyist expense, and if he had not responded to criticism by shrugging it off as unimportant, it is unlikely that the ethics issue would have gained so much traction. The speaker is a smart guy who is widely respected, but that trip and his handling of its aftermath was a major blunder. He turned himself into a symbol of the type of political entitlement that angers voters and leads them to distrust government.

That distrust has become a major problem, as evidenced by an AJC poll published last week. It found that a major reason for metro Atlanta’s rejection of last summer’s T-SPLOST was lack of faith in the integrity of elected officials and a fear that they serve special interests rather than the public. That same lack of faith will make it difficult for elected leaders to build support for a public contribution to a proposed new stadium for the Atlanta Falcons.

Earlier this year, however, Ralston performed a startling about-face. After steadfastly rejecting any limitation on lobbyist gifts to legislators, the speaker suddenly embraced an outright ban on such gifts. Whether that reflects an honest if rather swift change of heart will be determined over the next few months.

In the state Senate, Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle has been a vocal supporter of ethics reform, even if that rhetorical support has seldom translated into action. The new leadership team elected in the Senate has also expressed support for such reform, although the speaker’s call for a total gift ban rather than a limit on gift value may test that commitment.

One early test of how seriously the Senate leadership takes ethics will be its handling of Senate Rules Committee Chairman Don Balfour, one of the most powerful figures in the Capitol. Last year, Balfour kept ethics legislation bottled up in his committee, refusing to let it come to the Senate floor for a vote. More importantly, in August the Senate Ethics Committee fined Balfour $5,000 for filing a series of false expense reports with the state, and a criminal investigation launched by the GBI continues.

Under those circumstances, allowing Balfour to return as chair of the Rules Committee would suggest that the Senate’s new leadership is no more serious about ethics reform than were its predecessors.

However, the most important test of legislative commitment to ethics reform and the rebuilding of public trust will be its handling of what was once known as the Georgia Ethics Commission. Political leaders in this state have never tolerated a truly independent ethics commission, but legislative attacks on the agency in recent years have stripped it of what little independence and authority it once enjoyed. They even stripped the word “ethics” from its title.

The Legislature’s most prominent ethics champion, state Sen. Josh McKoon, R-Columbus, has introduced a proposed constitutional amendment that would guarantee a certain level of funding for the ethics commission. In the past, legislators unhappy with commission rulings have “disciplined” it by slashing funding or positions. McKoon’s proposal would be an important step in insulating the agency from such pressures and restoring public confidence in government.

– Jay Bookman

272 comments Add your comment

getalife

December 14th, 2012
11:09 am

The tiltle cracked me up and firsty.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
11:09 am

I like McKoon’s proposal, but I think a chicken in Col. Sander’s back yard has a better chance of survival…..

If serious ethics reform passes the Georgia Legislature this year, House Speaker David Ralston will have played a major role from beginning to end.

If a rabbit attacks and kills a grizzly bear, there will be one less grizzly to attack other animals. I think we’re more likely to see that rabbit kill a bear before we see substantive ethics reform in Georgia.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
11:11 am

We have not seen any accountability here in Georgia. It’s time we do

Soothsayer

December 14th, 2012
11:14 am

JohnnyReb

December 14th, 2012
11:17 am

Holy Cow ! Two Jay posts in one week with which I totally agree.

Jay, you are much more a moderate and on-Target with GA politics vs National. I can only assume that is because you pen the local only from your thoughts vs being led astray by the legacy media National propaganda.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
11:20 am

“OBAMA: DOESN’T ‘MAKE SENSE’ TO TARGET RECREATIONAL POT USERS”

Free the weed Mr. President.

For principles

December 14th, 2012
11:23 am

Government itself is predicated on the immoral acts of theft and violence. They do not produce anything, but must steal their funding from the citizens through taxation. To enforce their arbitrary laws (most of which have nothing to do with enforcing natural laws against force or fraud, they use the force of guns, kidnapping, and imprisonment. If you do not pay them the money they demand, they will use force all the way up to and including killing to get their way.

How can you expect any “ethical” behavior to come from such a group of individuals. These people become part of this system for the very purpose of being able to tell other people how to live their lives and how their money and property will be disposed of. Sorry, not holding my breath or expecting anything other than the usual violence, control, and immorality we have come to expect from all elected and government employed folks.

Logical Dude

December 14th, 2012
11:24 am

So, even IF the legislature is able to pass ethics reform, putting the ethics watchdog in place, with proper funding, and the word “Ethics” back in the title. . . IF all of that happens, I see the Governor Vetoing ANYTHING that would improve ethics in Georgia.

If Ethics can be done around a Governor who is the most ethically challenged in the country, then maybe, just maybe it can be done. But I don’t see it happening while we still have Deal in place.

Fly-On-The-Wall

December 14th, 2012
11:27 am

Unfortunatley Georgians believe that ethics reform will happen just about as much as the possibility of seeing Santa or the Easter bunny.

skipper

December 14th, 2012
11:27 am

@Bro…..a chicken in colonel Sanders back yard! That is funny.good one!

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
11:29 am

They even stripped the word “ethics” from its title.

what kind of Orwellian name does it have, now?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

December 14th, 2012
11:29 am

Jay: that a major reason for metro Atlanta’s rejection of last summer’s T-SPLOST was lack of faith in the integrity of elected officials and a fear that they serve special interests rather than the public.

Who said “You can fool some of the people some of the time…..???” That applies to ^^ your statement. Our “elected officials” keep giving themselves pay raises, (Atlanta, Congress); while DENYING the fireman who puts his life on the line a single red cent more to be added to HIS paycheck. How can anyone trust someone like that?

That same lack of faith will make it difficult for elected leaders to build support for a public contribution to a proposed new stadium for the Atlanta Falcons.

Saw Blank on local TV and a reporter asked him if he was “worried” about the Falcons actually getting public money to build their new stadium. He dismissively said, “No”. — It was classic! He looked just like that guy in that movie who plays the bad guy who ties the lady to the train tracks while the train is approaching……..

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
11:30 am

skipper

That’s just how much of a chance that I think ethics reform has here in Georgia.

Road Scholar

December 14th, 2012
11:34 am

for principles: Boo Hoo! When are you going to leave the US and find a country where you do not have to pay taxes? Delta is ready when you are! And remember to pay your airplane ticket taxes!

Back to on topic: NO GIFTS period.That way there is no excuses! Also, if they run for office, get reelected and then resign for another job…not for an illness.. then they have to pay the reelection costs.

skipper

December 14th, 2012
11:35 am

I reckon’ there has to be some ethics first before reform can come! lol :)

getalife

December 14th, 2012
11:35 am

Have you tried term limits yet?

If you want to get rid of the good ole boy network, start with the good ole boys.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
11:38 am

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
11:43 am

The Legislature’s most prominent ethics champion, state Sen. Josh McKoon, R-Columbus, has introduced a proposed constitutional amendment that would guarantee a certain level of funding for the ethics commission.

It speaks volumes that the legislature would feel it needed to amend the state Constitution just to accomplish something as rudimentary as this.

fedup

December 14th, 2012
11:45 am

When pigs find free food hell and high water will not stop them from finding that trough.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
11:49 am

Damn… another shooting. This time, it’s an elementary school in Connecticut.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
11:51 am

off topic (not entirely, if I were still downstairs), but a good piece by Glennzilla: Zero Dark Thirty: CIA hagiography, pernicious propaganda

the idea that Zero Dark Thirty should be regarded purely as an apolitical “work of art” and not be held accountable for its political implications is, in my view, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual, and ultimately amoral claptrap.

Logical Dude

December 14th, 2012
11:52 am

quoting: After steadfastly rejecting any limitation on lobbyist gifts to legislators, the speaker suddenly embraced an outright ban on such gifts.

Because he knows that he can champion the cause to his outraged constituents, while steadfast in the knowledge that nothing will get done in this state.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
11:53 am

This time, it’s an elementary school in Connecticut.

First story I clicked on, had a painful picture, but maybe we all ought to force ourselves to look:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559229/person-shot-at-conn-elementary-school/

Old Goober

December 14th, 2012
11:57 am

the idea that Zero Dark Thirty should be regarded purely as an apolitical “work of art” and not be held accountable for its political implications is, in my view, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual, and ultimately amoral claptrap.

Good article on that movie at Real Clear Politics this morning. It seems that CIA women were at the heart of the effort to find and dispose of bin Laden. They formed the core of the team, and they were pretty vicious. The leader of the team is quoted as saying, “If I could have said ‘men need not apply’ I would have done so.”

Worth a read.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
11:57 am

“I saw and heard what Kerry said about my service in Vietnam.

He was dispicable !”-scout

“Nonsense. And if you’d actually read the transcript of his testimony–which is what your whining here is surely based on–before the Senate in ‘71, in its entirety, and not in carefully edited dribs and drabs, you wouldn’t be embarrassing yourself with such foolishness now.”- stands

stands,

Maybe its just me but I usually tend to take people at their word- especially when they are war criminals and admit to committing atrocities.

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions…

F. Sinkwich

December 14th, 2012
11:57 am

Well lookee here. Jay is once again on his “ethics” high horse. Apparently in Jay-world, if only legislators weren’t allowed a dinner here and there from a lobbyist, public trust will magically appear so highers taxes like TSPLOST will appeal to all.

Memo to Jay: Trust is earned. Reneging on the 400 tolls set that “trust” effort back years and years. Ethics reform ain’t gonna help that a wit.

N-GA (economic base jumper)

December 14th, 2012
12:01 pm

@ For Priciples – After reading your post I realized you could have been talking about the Catholic Church

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:01 pm

filky,

You voted for them.

MANGLER

December 14th, 2012
12:01 pm

What good is having an ethics commission if it does’t have policing authority? I’d liken it to an unarmed guard in front of a neighborhood with no phone, just a flashlight. “I see you, but I can’t stop you”
This is one of the vital roles that journalists and the media plays – keeping an eye on public employees at all levels. Keep digging up real dirt on the higher ups until a couple fall, and then you’ll get the internal support for an actual ethics commission. And I don’t mean someone having an affair or tweeting boxer shots, nobody cares about that. I mean lying, cheating, stealing, payoffs, being GOP (sorry, I had to), etc!

GT

December 14th, 2012
12:01 pm

Ethics education in the schools might help. I seriously think the people of this state have no clue what is ethical and what is not. And this stuff trickles down into corporate benefits too. Martha Stewart is draining her company as it goes under with perks not fitting the lack of success she is bringing to the public corporation. Unethical behavior seems to dominate the powerful.

MANGLER

December 14th, 2012
12:02 pm

GT, “and that’s a good thing” :)

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
12:08 pm

I think that most of us here can agree that both Georgia Democrats AND Republicans have done a pitiful job when it comes to matters of ethics. While the GOP is in control now, the problem certainly predates their current period of authority.

Then again, as our conservative friends and associates are fond of telling us, ‘its your mess now, so own it.’

Frankly, I think that GA legislators won’t ever fix the problem unless and until the citizens of GA somehow force them to do so.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:09 pm

Next thing ya know David Ralston is going to have connections with a sleazy bidnessman who is going to sell him a house worth 700k for half that amount.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
12:11 pm

Doom — “Maybe its just me but I usually tend to take people at their word- especially when they are war criminals and admit to committing atrocities.”

Maybe you could paste the passage where he calls 0311 out by name.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 14th, 2012
12:11 pm

He turned himself into a symbol of the type of political entitlement that angers voters and leads them to distrust government
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And why WOULD WE trust trust the entitlers when they have shown such restraint in entitling themselves?

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:11 pm

Voting for the same gop and expecting them to have ethics and morals after they proved over and over they do not is just voter ignorance like filky.

Until the cons stop giving them a free pass and reward them with their votes, nothing will change in the gop.

F. Sinkwich

December 14th, 2012
12:14 pm

“filky,

You voted for them.”

You did too.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
12:14 pm

dB

I saw that picture. No kid should ever have to experience that kind of violence in a place that’s supposed to be a safe place for them to go.

Nero

December 14th, 2012
12:17 pm

blah, blah, blah…ethics…blah, blah, blah

http://youtu.be/1YrNFUY6ue0

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:17 pm

No filky,

I don’t vote gop silly.

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:19 pm

As getalife would say, it appears Thulsa is practicing some “deflecterbation” with his 12:09 post

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:20 pm

jindal wants birth control sold over the counter.

Pro choice?

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
12:21 pm

They BOTH

So THAT’S what the kids are calling it now… :lol:

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:21 pm

Both,

I told doomy not to do that in public.

Georgia

December 14th, 2012
12:22 pm

If I were elected, I’d be corrupt too. and I’d have my grubby little paws out full time stuffing my pockets and everything. Money talks, and bs walks, man. Then, I’d start bribing people and extorting this and that. I’d lie, cheat and steal all the way to the white house, maybe. In the smoke filled back rooms, I’d be grabbing lapels and roughing stooges up, and getting my way. A slap here and there is just what my cronies would need. I’ve seen enough Edward G Robinson movies to know how to act. Oh, what a politician I’d make. I should start now with a grass roots campaign. This is America, and I’m throwing my hat in the ring. Silk hat, if all goes as planned. What a country. and if anyone sticks their head up and tries to stop me, I’d slap ‘em down, See?

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:23 pm

Bro

Lifted that one from getalife.

get: forgot to mention

Your Laurel and Hardy comment yesterday regarding Christie and Jindal was great.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:24 pm

“Maybe you could paste the passage where he calls 0311 out by name.”

Joe Mama,

Scout is included in this part about “thousands of other soldiers” that you must have somehow missed. “I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed”.

Most reasonable and intelligent people understand that for the sake of brevity Mr. Kerry could not rattle off the names of thousands of soldiers in an interview. Most reasonable and intelligent people anyway…

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:24 pm

NRA says the children should be armed.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 14th, 2012
12:26 pm

Bro

I am watching the scene CNN. They are saying Multiple injuries, Sad again.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:26 pm

Thanks Both.

F. Sinkwich

December 14th, 2012
12:27 pm

“No filky,

I don’t vote gop silly.”

Maybe not, but you voted for the clowns who made the 400 promise…

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:28 pm

Bro

Were you a bus driver at one time or in a previous life? After going back and reading comments from last night, you sure took “td” to school and back………………….. He was spinning so much, it is wonder that he earth didn’t tilt off its axis.

He probably skipped school today.

:-)

F. Sinkwich

December 14th, 2012
12:29 pm

“President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.” ”

Bwaahahahahahahaha

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:30 pm

At least two dead and the shooter.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:30 pm

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:19 pm
As getalife would say, it appears Thulsa is practicing some “deflecterbation” with his 12:09 post

they both suck,

Naw. I’m just practicing a little humor about shady real estate deals of around 300k. In regards to Ralston its clear to anyone that accepting a 17k trip on behalf of a lobbyist stinks of corruption and influence peddling. Ralston ought to be ashamed of himself.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:30 pm

filky,

True.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
12:31 pm

thanks for proving my point about dribs and drabs, TD.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
12:32 pm

Principal, school psychologist and the shooter dead. Children injured

Over 100 rounds reportedly fired.

Holy crap

alex

December 14th, 2012
12:32 pm

Sounds like the slow wheels of justice and legislation are gaining momentum….

SAUSAGE ANYONE?

MiltonMan

December 14th, 2012
12:33 pm

Where were you bleeding heart libs when the Atlanta/Fulton County Democrat delegation went to Paris on the lobbyists dime??? The clowns eventually awarded the MARTA train contract to the French company when a comparable company in Buford was also bidding on the contract.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:33 pm

President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.”

The comedian in chief at work. A few more quips like that and he’ll make a run at Joe Biden for gaffes and laughs.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
12:33 pm

Doom — “Joe Mama, Scout is included in this part about “thousands of other soldiers” that you must have somehow missed.”

So you say. Who are you to assert what anyone else means, Senator Kerry included?

“I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed”.

Don’t see anything in there where he calls out 0311 by name.

“Most reasonable and intelligent people understand that for the sake of brevity Mr. Kerry could not rattle off the names of thousands of soldiers in an interview. Most reasonable and intelligent people anyway…”

Most intelligent and reasonable people — who have also, by the way, READ his Winter Soldier testimony — realize that he’s talking about veterans who ADMITTED to performing such acts during the course of the hearings that had been held earlier.

Most intelligent, reasonable and HONEST people, anyway.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:34 pm

President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.”

True.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 14th, 2012
12:34 pm

Well, it’s just a shame libruls like Bookman keep going after Ralston over a little thing like a 17,000 buck trip to Europe—17,000 bucks! Holy sh_t!

Never mind, Carry on.

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:37 pm

Thulsa

“Thousands of others” really meant all those who served in Vietnam?

hmmmmmmm

larry

December 14th, 2012
12:37 pm

President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.”

Actually , he’s right. Considering Reagan raised taxes quite a few times in his second term, and considering the Republican party has gone so far to the right now, Reagan would not be nominated.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
12:38 pm

R. Convert — “Well, it’s just a shame libruls like Bookman keep going after Ralston over a little thing like a 17,000 buck trip to Europe—17,000 bucks! Holy sh_t!

Never mind, Carry on.”

You know, that 17,000 would buy a mighty nice second trailer down around Gulf Shores or someplace like that. I think you’re in the wrong bidness, Convert. :)

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:39 pm

Stands for decibels,

If you had a point it wasn’t much of one. Not very sharp at the end, kinda dull.

“First story I clicked on, had a painful picture, but maybe we all ought to force ourselves to look:”

Why should we all force ourselves to look at this tragedy? Cause you think its good for us and have deemed it necessary? Or is it because you want to use this tragedy to make some kind of political point- possibly about guns?

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
12:39 pm

larry — “Actually , he’s right. Considering Reagan raised taxes quite a few times in his second term, and considering the Republican party has gone so far to the right now, Reagan would not be nominated.”

And let’s not forget Reagan’s “Prime The Pump” economic strategy. In conception and execution, it was pretty much the same as the Republican-hated “porkulus” under Obama, yet cons can’t bring themselves to admit it even happened.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:40 pm

” Reagan would not be nominated.”

He would go back to being Dem.

Liberal Pariah

December 14th, 2012
12:41 pm

JHM @ 12:08

Truer words were never spoken. Must be a mess when both sides agree :-)

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
12:41 pm

They both suck,

“thousands of others” sure constitutes a lot of folks in my book and most likely includes the grunts in the bush of which scout was one.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2012
12:41 pm

Most intelligent and reasonable people — who have also, by the way, READ his Winter Soldier testimony — realize that he’s talking about veterans who ADMITTED to performing such acts during the course of the hearings that had been held earlier.

Most intelligent, reasonable and HONEST people, anyway.

I would wager that less than 0.01% of people who bitch and moan online about Kerry’s 1971 testimony have read anything more than a very few words selectively quoted.

Because of this, I guess we need to brace ourselves for another tsunami of stupid if Kerry’s name is actually put forward for SoS.

/drive-by

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
12:41 pm

NoCom

I can’t get the live feed, but I can’t imagine what the parents are feeling right about now. I know I’d be going through emotion overload right about now if my lil one attended that school.

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They BOTH

I probably need to apologize to Jay for some of what I said. For some reason, I just wasn’t feeling cordial to the stoopids last night. However, when somebody decides to be ill-informed or un-informed, who am I to sprinkle knowledge into their life?

:)

larry

December 14th, 2012
12:43 pm

And as far as the topic goes, I’ll have to see it to believe it. When you have a governor who had to resign his congressional seat to keep from facing ethics charges, and who has faced eithics charges since he became governor, i would have to see him sign it into law to believe it.

Actually, the bill Rep. McKoon is introducing is common in other states. The state ethics commission gets a percentage of the state budget. Its actually a good bill, but i dont give a snowball’s chance in he!! that it will pass.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:44 pm

I agree, Redneck Convert for Governor.

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:44 pm

“Frankly, I think that GA legislators won’t ever fix the problem unless and until the citizens of GA somehow force them to do so.”

No different than Tom Murphy’s gang of misfits. For a long time most had little to worry about in terms of reelection and that is the prevailing attitude with a good percentage of Republicans under the Gold Dome.

skipper

December 14th, 2012
12:44 pm

We are fixin’ to have horse-head Kerry.once again; please stay, Hillary! I’m afraid folks on both sides of the aisle will soon find out that Kerry is not the so-called statesman. Can’t call me out as some right-wing basher………I just asked hillary to stay on!!

larry

December 14th, 2012
12:46 pm

And let’s not forget Reagan’s “Prime The Pump” economic strategy. In conception and execution, it was pretty much the same as the Republican-hated “porkulus” under Obama, yet cons can’t bring themselves to admit it even happened.

And didnt Bush give out checks , ” stimulus checks” . Twice , if i recall correctly.

A lot of good those did.

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:47 pm

Bro

You didn’t really go over the line. Those actually number from the state of OH had td reeling from his unsubstantiated assertions.

When he went to blaming the website where he came up with his bs, even he knew he had been schooled……… again

I just imagined td being Pac after that Marquez overhand right landed last Saturday night……..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
12:48 pm

We are fixin’ to have horse-head Kerry.once again…

You’ve had him before?

Does The National Inquirer know?

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 14th, 2012
12:50 pm

Bro

I know I’d be going through emotion overload right about now if my lil one attended that school.
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I don’t know about you, but if it was my child there the POS that did that would not have the option of suicide

skipper

December 14th, 2012
12:50 pm

To back up my previous (typo-infested) post……there is just something about Kerry’s attitude, body language, and propensity for changing a story time after time that just makes me not want him in that post. Whether or not one likes Hillary, she has done a decent job…….and she is not scattered all over the place.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
12:51 pm

Oh crap, now they’re reporting deaths of children.

larry

December 14th, 2012
12:51 pm

We are fixin’ to have horse-head Kerry.once again; please stay, Hillary!

They are going to treat him like they did in ‘04.

By the way, the way that McCain, Graham and others treated Amb. Rice was not good for the Rep. party, they just hurt their brand even more.

I dont look for McCain to run again, and Graham has to worry about being primaried.

skipper

December 14th, 2012
12:52 pm

Kamchak……….man, I can’t win today! But, that was funny! You and Bro got it going on today……humor on a Friday!

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:52 pm

Thulsa

My dad served 3 yrs in Vietnam. He didn’t vote for Kerry but had no problem with what Kerry said. He is man enough to know that Kerry didn’t say “all” and that atrocities did occur.

Take some time and go look up the atrocities that were committed in Vietnam. The US government at first attempted to downplay the number, but finally came out with a report and it wasn’t pretty.

So what Kerry saw or didn’t see, you nor I have no idea, but his assertion about atrocities (based on the governments own report that they initially downplayed) is closer to reality than you would ever admit……..

But do carry on with your “thousands” implies all or whatever spin makes you feel better…..

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
12:54 pm

Thulsa

And Scout, Del or whomever have their right to their opinions as well.

I’m no huge Kerry fan, but to watch you and others rant and rave, it will be amusing if he is nominated……

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
12:55 pm

They BOTH

I was actually about to go to bed, but he just couldn’t leave well enough alone. That’s why I went to the Ohio SoS website to see for myself. Notice that he did not post one single link to anything to back up his assertion. Generally, that’s a sign to me that it’s something being batted around by talking heads and such.

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NoCom

Most times, those type of incidents happen so quickly that you don’t have time to respond until everything is over. Reading online that there were child victims makes it that much worse to me. I’m thinking that it’s a good thing that I don’t have a live tv feed at the moment.

Ben Shockley

December 14th, 2012
12:59 pm

“President Barack Obama says he would be “considered a moderate Republican” in the 1980s because his policies are “so mainstream.” ”

Dumbest statement ever posted on this blog.

appleseed

December 14th, 2012
12:59 pm

Thulsa 12:09/30 Are you ok today?Not running a fever,delusional?If not I may need go to the DR.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
12:59 pm

From 2 dead to 27 dead?

What the hell?

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
1:00 pm

We are fixin’ to have horse-head Kerry.once again…

Isn’t that still illegal??? The slippery slope hasn’t progressed that far has it?

getalife

December 14th, 2012
1:00 pm

ben,

The truth is not dumb.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
1:02 pm

TBS — “No different than Tom Murphy’s gang of misfits. For a long time most had little to worry about in terms of reelection and that is the prevailing attitude with a good percentage of Republicans under the Gold Dome.”

As I said, both sides certainly share the blame, and I think we can all agree on that.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
1:03 pm

K’Chak — “You’ve had him before?”

Damn, I don’t think I’d'a told that. :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
1:05 pm

27 dead — 18 children, 9 adults.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2012
1:07 pm

“He is man enough to know that Kerry didn’t say “all” and that atrocities did occur.”

Did I say that Kerry claimed “all” U.S. soldiers committed atrocities? If I did then I apologize for that error. I’ll go back and see if I stated that Kerry accused “all” U.S. soldiers of atrocities. If I didn’t then perhaps you will apologize for accusing me of saying something that I did in fact not say. Regardless he said “thousands”. That’s quite a few people sir.

“Take some time and go look up the atrocities that were committed in Vietnam.”

I did. I’m familiar with My lai and some other atrocities. It doesn’t constitute “thousands” of U.S. soldiers committing atrocities “reminiscent of Ghenghis Kahan” now does it?

“So what Kerry saw or didn’t see, you nor I have no idea, but his assertion about atrocities (based on the governments own report that they initially downplayed) is closer to reality than you would ever admit……..”

Really? So we know that “thousands” of U.S. soldiers participated in “atrocities”. You have proof that it was in the “thousands” do ya?

“But do carry on with your “thousands” implies all or whatever spin makes you feel better…..”

And you be sure to carry on with your own spin. As to what “thousands” implies? Well the answer is that it implies “thousands”. Nothing difficult to understand about that now is there?

larry

December 14th, 2012
1:07 pm

From 2 dead to 27 dead?

What the hell?

As a father of a six year old, i can not imagine what those poor kids went through.

There is something seriously wrong in this country when we resort to shooting kids. If you are that messed up to the point you want to take your own life, then seek help, call someone, but if you are dead set on taking your life, then just take your life. Dont kill other people just because you are misearable.

And how in the world are these people are getting the weaponary to do this? A hundred rounds?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
1:07 pm

Damn, I don’t think I’d’a told that.

A great comedy bit that I first heard from the late Lewis Grizzard (can you imagine if he had lived long enough to run an AJC blog?), but it seems that he got it from someone else.