Horror in a Connecticut elementary school

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It’s hard to know what to say about the horror that took place this morning in a Connecticut elementary school. The combination of a madman, children and guns has left a reported 27 dead, including 20 children, most of them apparently executed in a single kindergarten classroom.

Again, 27 dead, and hundreds and hundreds directly connected to them have had their lives forever diminished. Even the millions of us who knew nobody in Newtown have been left chilled to the bone on this early winter day.

The 24-year-old gunman, dressed in paramilitary garb, is among those dead. His mother, a teacher at the school, is dead as well. Three weapons were reportedly found at the scene — a .223-caliber assault rifle and two semi-automatic handguns.

As always, the trauma inflicted on those families and that community is difficult to comprehend, and it is compounded by the brutal senselessness of the crime. Tragedies such as this always create questions — “How?” and “Why?” just the beginning of them — for which there can never be adequate answers.

I do know that anybody capable of such cold-blooded killings exists in a world that is far darker than any of us are able to imagine. I also suspect that crimes such as this are perpetrated in part to force the rest of us to glimpse — if just for a horrifying moment — that place so devoid of warmth and light.

Someone on Twitter just asked me: “WHY does this happen now when it didn’t 40, 50 years ago? WHAT is different?” I don’t know the answer to that one either. I suspect that we are witnessing a form of hysteria, as easily communicable as a computer virus from Aurora, Colo. to Clackamas, Ore. to Newtown, Conn., and once that virus is released it is impossible to predict where it might emerge next. Individuals who once might have stewed, alone, in their twisted anger and bitterness now recognize others like themselves on the evening news, and one violent incident creates a sort of permission for the next.

– Jay Bookman

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Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
3:04 pm

I don’t know what could be said. Mass incidents are bad in and of themselves. When there are children involved, it makes it that much more tragic in my view.

barking frog

December 14th, 2012
3:06 pm

At least as much protection should
be given to schoolchildren as to
courts and courthouses.

Citizen of the World

December 14th, 2012
3:12 pm

Now some gun control?! Now?!

How horrific does it have to get before we take a more active approach to keeping assault weapons out of the hands of disturbed people?

catlady

December 14th, 2012
3:12 pm

As a teacher, I have feared this happening in my area. We have so many angry kids who have access to guns, with limited “parental” supervision. We should all be concerned about this.

God bless those who are suffering at this time.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 14th, 2012
3:14 pm

Well, I hope they won’t use this to try and take the anti-tank weapon and the two machine guns away from me. Sure, we got a couple hundred thousand nuts with guns in this country, but that don’t mean the rest of us can’t walk around loaded for bear and spoiling for a fight.

Matter of fact, this whole thing just proves kids need to be armed before they go to school so they can blow nuts like that one away if they break into school and start shooting. I’m sure they can figure out a way to make a pistol or rifle light enough for a kid to use and carry. And that goes for people that go to church too.

We need a 2nd Amenment solution to the gun nuts in this country, that’s for sure.

rightwingextreme

December 14th, 2012
3:17 pm

Now is not the time to politicize this very, very tragic event. We should be in prayer for these families whose lives have been changed in a way we will never understand.

td

December 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

From the news reports I am hearing, the 223 was in the person’s car and the scum bag was found with two pistols.

BTW: It is against the law to bring a gun on campus so the law abiding citizens would not do such a thing. The criminals and the crazies do not care about the law.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

Tragedies such as this always create questions — “How?” and “Why?” just the beginning of them — for which there can never be adequate answers.

A twitter feed link was posted downstairs, https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza and if it belongs to this badonkadonk beret, he had serious problems dealing with rejection.

East Lake Ira

December 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

Automatic weapons need to be banned.

Waiting periods for all weapons need to be enacted nationwide.

All weapons should be registered.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

With these mass murders happening weekly or more frequently, just WHEN is the time to talk about acting to reduce these senseless acts. Just because action is needed does not mean that it is POLITICIZED but no matter, it is TIME TO ACT.

JamVet

December 14th, 2012
3:21 pm

I cannot even bring myself to learn anything about this incident.

But from what tiny bit I do know, my heart is broken.

blkshepherd

December 14th, 2012
3:21 pm

@Redneck Conert(R and proud of it)

Yeah just what we need. A bunch of out of control kids that was mad because they got bullied come and shoot up the their class mates. Makes a lot of sense to place Guns in the hands of children. Yeah that will solve a lot. Parents will have to worry Your Kid packing a gun, then when he or she gets mad..they pull out their gun and shoot the Teacher and other class mates..Your real great suggestion..NOT! Metal Detectors AT school entrance. Top security like the airports or Congress hall, or Pentagon. NO ONE GETS IN WITHOUT GOING THROUGH METAL DETECTOR REGARDLESS if you WORK there or attend Classes. EVERYONE goes through a Metal Detector. EVERYONE! and that should curb someone it. If your caught with a weapon, no less than TEN YEARS in the Slammer. and I dont care how old you are.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
3:21 pm

Since when is keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people POLITICAL?

td

December 14th, 2012
3:23 pm

God bless the children and the families in this massacre.

The farther and farther we stray away from God as a nation and more we accept anti social behavior the more of these type incidents we will see.

indigo

December 14th, 2012
3:23 pm

Citizen – 3:12 “how horrific does it have to get”

To the Republican Party, funded in a large part by the gun industry and large numbers of gun nuts who actually believe the 2nd ammendment gives them “the right to keep and bear arms”, even though it’s clear this ammendment applies today only to the Military and police, this tragedy will mean little or nothing.

America could become like those shootout days as protrayed in Hollywood Westerns and, as long as the campaign money keeps rolling in from the gun manufacturers, murderous tragedies far worse would just keep happening.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
3:23 pm

is there a POLITICAL party that supports guns in the hands of crazy people?

rightwingextreme

December 14th, 2012
3:23 pm

East Lake Ira

December 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

Automatic weapons need to be banned. They are banned already.

Waiting periods for all weapons need to be enacted nationwide. Already done.

All weapons should be registered. Already done.

All of these things you want have already been enacted and it didn’t stop this lunatic. Don’t politize this tragic event at this time.

Pray for these families!

Mr. Snarky

December 14th, 2012
3:24 pm

Yes. We must wait for the mandatory 2 year waiting period before politicizing tragic events that involve gun violence.

Recon 0311 2533

December 14th, 2012
3:24 pm

Automatic weapons need to be banned.

They are banned.

rightwingextreme

December 14th, 2012
3:24 pm

is there a POLITICAL party that supports guns in the hands of crazy people? NO.

Aquagirl

December 14th, 2012
3:25 pm

and if it belongs to this badonkadonk beret, he had serious problems dealing with rejection.

The last tweet (12 min ago) said something to the effect of “getting spammed because of my name WTF?” so it might not be him.

But you know what’s scary? This is some random dude with serious problems dealing with rejection and he can probably go buy a gun right now. #thanksNRA

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
3:25 pm

Yeah just what we need. A bunch of out of control kids that was mad because they got bullied come and shoot up the their class mates.

blkshepherd

Perhaps it would help if you realized our RC (R–apoi) is satire.

They BOTH suck

December 14th, 2012
3:25 pm

My thoughts are surely with those folks and thier families on this sad day…….

td

December 14th, 2012
3:25 pm

East Lake Ira

December 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

Automatic weapons need to be banned.

Waiting periods for all weapons need to be enacted nationwide.

These two are already the law of the land in every state and as a nation.

getalife

December 14th, 2012
3:25 pm

Our President cried for the victims.

Shemeka

December 14th, 2012
3:26 pm

Simply unbelievable. It seems like these kinds of incidents are happening more and more frequently. What motivates someone to do this to innocents, especially children, is totally beyond me.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
3:28 pm

The last tweet (12 min ago) said something to the effect of “getting spammed because of my name WTF?” so it might not be him.

Oops :oops:

If it was him, what’s scary is tweeting from beyond the grave.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
3:28 pm

“How horrific does it have to get before we take a more active approach to keeping assault weapons out of the hands of disturbed people?”

and how should we go about doing that without restricting the rights of same and law abiding people?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
3:29 pm

They are banned.

No, but they require a special class of license to own.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
3:31 pm

This law abiding citizen could live without guns while we sort it out….

Ya’ know….some shared sacrifice.

I’ll sacrifce my right to carry so YOU don’t have to sacrifice your child.

Evelyn

December 14th, 2012
3:31 pm

Had his mother survived, I wonder what she might have to say about her son. I would imagine she would say he showed some signs of depression, maybe even early mental illness. When and how to intervene is the hard question. Nearly every parent deals with at some time of other.

Demonizing this young man, will only hurt us. We don’t need anyone else feeling this alienated.

Aquagirl

December 14th, 2012
3:33 pm

Waiting periods for all weapons need to be enacted nationwide.

These two are already the law of the land in every state and as a nation.

What? I’ve never bought a firearm here but I didn’t think there was a mandatory waiting period.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2012
3:33 pm

“I’ll sacrifce my right to carry so YOU don’t have to sacrifice your child.”

and your sacrifice will do nothing to stop the black market sales of guns and ammunition. Giving up your rights will have NO effect on such acts. None.

Brosephus™

December 14th, 2012
3:34 pm

Automatic weapons need to be banned.

Waiting periods for all weapons need to be enacted nationwide.

These two are already the law of the land in every state and as a nation.

Not entirely correct on either one of those. If you complete the necessary paperwork with the ATF and clear the background checks, you can obtain the necessary FFL to purchase fully automatic weapons.

Weapons that are sold private owner to private owner can be sold without a background check. Background checks are not always required for sales at gun shows too.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
3:34 pm

Doggone/GA

How many guns to you have in your home?

td

December 14th, 2012
3:34 pm

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
3:31 pm

This law abiding citizen could live without guns while we sort it out….

Ya’ know….some shared sacrifice.

I’ll sacrifce my right to carry so YOU don’t have to sacrifice your child.

Sorry but I will not. If a scumbag like this walks into a restaurant, mall, on the street or in my house to harm my children I want a fighting chance to kill him before he kills us.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
3:35 pm

Doggone, there are many ways we can start having common sense gun laws without unreasonably (the key word) restricting the ability of law abiding people to protect themselves. Some impact ownership including licensing and real background checks, some involve acting to get guns off the street, some help police and courts act against suspected criminals. We are not helpless to reduce these acts. We only need act. BradyCenter.org

In the middle

December 14th, 2012
3:35 pm

This, like all acts of violence are because of cowardice. The gun was the tool, but the coward pulled the trigger. How can you outlaw cowards. Prison and gangs are chalk full of backstabbing cowards. Cowards are out among us everyday waiting for us to turn around or look away so they can steal, assualt, whatever.

Everything this guy did was already against the law. More laws wont fix this. Start raising brave men and women that know how to live a life of courage and not cowardice.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
3:36 pm

What? I’ve never bought a firearm here but I didn’t think there was a mandatory waiting period.

Technically, you have to wait while the background check happens — in my case about an hour, maybe less — but that’s probably not what y’all are talking about.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
3:37 pm

Some acts involve getting rid of the insanity of “Stand your ground” being used by hotheads to kill others.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
3:37 pm

td

The odds are that he’d blow your butt from one end of the restauant to another, all the manly man bravado in the world won’t help in that situation and most likely you and the other clown would end up increasing the body count.

Mike Fitzgerald

December 14th, 2012
3:37 pm

I understand that Mayor Reed is a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. I’m just learning more about this group. Does anyone else know of an organization or local elected official in favor of banning assault rifles and/or handguns in the City of Atlanta? Here’s the website for the mayor’s group.

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org

td

December 14th, 2012
3:38 pm

Connecticut… 4th strictest gun control laws, which was also recently graded by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence as the third most effective state in terms of gun safety legislation and where gun ownership is at 16.2 percent of households, had the fifth lowest per capita rate of gun deaths at 5.34 per 100,000.
[Maybe the laws weren't the problem]

bookman parrot

December 14th, 2012
3:38 pm

Granny
that is a nice idea,… but the problem is people,… and there are and will continue to be people who do not have a regard for life and rules and would still get weapons and not care about the consequences…
the sad truth is that these shootings are people problems, societal problems …

Class of '98

December 14th, 2012
3:40 pm

Don’t these killers at movie theaters, colleges and schools realize they are gun-free zones? Maybe we need bigger signs. For some reason, people who favor gun control assume that these monsters would abide by guns laws, when they won’t even abide homicide laws.

Actually, maybe if the 30 year old ex-Marine who teaches social studies down the hall were allowed a concealed weapon, lives would be spared.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
3:40 pm

Sorry but I will not. If a scumbag like this walks into a restaurant, mall, on the street or in my house to harm my children I want a fighting chance to kill him before he kills us.

Bollocks.

Reagan and Brady were shot while in the protection of the best armed and best trained security detail on this planet.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 14th, 2012
3:42 pm

We need to ban all guns except muskets. By the time you get the powder into the barrel and the ball rammed down — granted that it isn’t raining outside — most of your anger at people will be replaced with frustration at the weapon.

Aquagirl

December 14th, 2012
3:43 pm

Actually, maybe if the 30 year old ex-Marine who teaches social studies down the hall were allowed a concealed weapon, lives would be spared.

Let’s leave the Hollywood Action Hero fantasies in Hollywood.

Banner123

December 14th, 2012
3:43 pm

I understand there are nutjobs out there like the Aurora, CO. shooter that are not targeting anybody in particular when they accomplish mass killings. Then there are nutjobs like this that go after specific people (in this case his parent) for some reason.

For nutjobs like today, why does everybody else have to die?

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:44 pm

East Lake Ira

December 14th, 2012
3:20 pm
Automatic weapons need to be banned. – he did’t use automatic weapons

Waiting periods for all weapons need to be enacted nationwide. – he could have purchased the weapons last year

All weapons should be registered. – regisrtation would not stop a nut from doing something crazy. Registration just tells you who owns the gun. In this case we know who owns the gun.
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How would any of that stop this tragedy?

Class of '98

December 14th, 2012
3:44 pm

Aquagirl, guns save lives all the time.

If someone breaks into your house, would you rather have a shotgun or a baseball bat?

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
3:45 pm

bookman parrot

December 14th, 2012
3:38 pm

Granny
that is a nice idea,… but the problem is people,… and there are and will continue to be people who do not have a regard for life and rules and would still get weapons and not care about the consequences…
the sad truth is that these shootings are people problems, societal problems …
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.
.
People who pooh pooh stuff like this are the problem

Question

Are you part of the problem or do you want to be a part of the solution?

retiredds

December 14th, 2012
3:45 pm

So what will the response be from the NRA?

reasonable

December 14th, 2012
3:46 pm

Two points:
1. Assault weapons like the 232 caliber rifle used in this attack are not banned and the original ban from the Clinton years expired somethime early in the 2000s and has not been renewed.
2. There is no waiting period for general purchase of firearms from licensed gun dealers, that is why the FBI’s Instant Gun Check system is called instant.
Before any one gets on here attacking my statements for inaccuracy, please consider this, I was in charge of the team that developed the Georgia Gun Check system (since ended to allow for straight checks to the FBI system) and testified before the General Assembly on our gun check system in the 1990s. Further, I worked closely with the FBI in the development of such systems.

delois

December 14th, 2012
3:46 pm

Everyone please quit bickering and start praying for these families.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
3:46 pm

If someone breaks into your house, would you rather have a shotgun or a baseball bat?

If someone breaks into your house, would you rather be facing an intruder your own shotgun or your own baseball bat?

Dharma Bum

December 14th, 2012
3:47 pm

I didn’t vote for Obama, but the way he handles these kinds of situations makes him a–o.k. in my book.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
3:47 pm

Again, for those who apparently cannot engage their brains before posting, sensible gun laws do NOT have to preclude the self-defense of a homeowner in their own home.

Class of '98

December 14th, 2012
3:47 pm

Delois, please stop posting comments and start praying.

Class of '98

December 14th, 2012
3:48 pm

“would you rather be facing an intruder your own shotgun or your own baseball bat?”

Huh?

bman.

December 14th, 2012
3:48 pm

“So what will the response be from the NRA?”

Don’t know. But there’s a new Tom Cruise shoot-em-up flick that will be in theaters next week. From the previews, it looks like there will be lots of guns and killing.

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:48 pm

From down stairs:

indigo
December 14th, 2012
3:02 pm
Doggone/GA – “we didn’t, and won’t”
And, as a result of that kind of thinking, at least 20,000 people will be murdered by guns every year. – No one has EVER been murdered by a gun. They were murdered by a PERSON using a gun.
It’s next to unbelievable to see that gun owernship means so much to those like you that no gun murder tragedy has the slightest effect on the gun obsession that rules you. – No one has EVER been murdered by a gun. They were murdered by PEOPLE using guns.
BIG difference

Recon 0311 2533

December 14th, 2012
3:48 pm

If you have a gun license in Georgia the purchase is pretty much instant. If you do not have a license it takes about 30 to 45 minutes for a background check. Unfortunately, the background check is only a criminal background check and doesn’t pick up those who’ve been treated for mental issues or identifying those with suspected emotional disorders.

Mr. Holmes

December 14th, 2012
3:49 pm

“WHY does this happen now when it didn’t 40, 50 years ago? WHAT is different?”

Well, we could start with millions more firearms. More people = more unhinged. Add in millions more guns, and frankly it’s surprising that shootings approaching this scale don’t happen more often.

But yeah, let’s throw more guns into it (more concealed carry laws, allow guns on college campus). What in the blue he11 could go wrong?

Jefferson

December 14th, 2012
3:49 pm

1st of all, this is just awful — nothing but devilment.

2nd – in a free society where guns are everywhere, where you can move from place to place without having to go thru security checks every 5 minutes, this is what can happen. It is with a heavy heart I say, I had rather die free than live scared. There are no solutions.

God bless the families of the murdered folks, they will hurt for years to come.

not so independent thinker

December 14th, 2012
3:49 pm

NO SURPRISE- All levels of state and federal government cower in front of the almighty NRA. Gun ownership is completely beyond any reasonableness for self protection. Gun sellers have no fear of selling wholesale to criminals here in Georgia; the second amendment of the Constitution was shredded into absurdity by the NRA’s toadies in the Heller decision and every member of Congress and the President have blood on their hands for doing nothing to control the escalating violence.
How does Georgia’s gun control laws come under the Constitutional mandate of “well regulated” and how does the proliferation of guns in this state add to the “security of a free state” when your kids are not able to go to school or a theater without fear a nut job will legally have a gun and decide to kill children for sport????????. Thank you Antonin Scalia for being one heck of an activist judge doing the NRA’s bidding. Just tear up that preamble to the second amendment as surplus garbage. Way to go.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
3:49 pm

The families of those in prior tragedies have prayed for sensible gun laws, when are we going to stop praying for new victims and start answering some prayers that might reduce these kinds of tragedies?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 14th, 2012
3:50 pm

“WHY does this happen now when it didn’t 40, 50 years ago? WHAT is different?”

The “WHAT” is that our “culture” has changed for the worse and there are a hundred reasons for that …………. none of them good. I can articulate many of them but it would do no good here now.

We didn’t see it coming years ago and we fail to see it getting even worse now because we are still that “frog in the kettle”.

Until we recognize, admit and treat it as a cultural problem we will continue to see these kinds of events and I predict they will only get worse.

Aquagirl

December 14th, 2012
3:50 pm

If someone breaks into your house, would you rather have a shotgun or a baseball bat?

WTF does that have to do with arming teachers so they can supposedly shoot it out in a roomful of kids?

Tom

December 14th, 2012
3:50 pm

We need to stop feeding our children the fairy tale that they are watched over by a benevolent deity. When the shooting started in Newtown, CT, “God” was nowhere to be found.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 14th, 2012
3:50 pm

Huh?

Sorry, there should have been a “with” in there between “intruder” and “your”, but my point is that the intruder might have your weapon instead of you.

Common Sense

December 14th, 2012
3:50 pm

People successfully defend themselves every day in this country with guns.

Schools are an exception, because someone thinks things are safer that way.

Just one gun could have halted this as it started.

No action heroes required. Just someone who knows what they are doing.

Logical Dude

December 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

“Mayors Against Illegal Guns.”

and. . . are there any mayors FOR illegal guns?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

Unfortunately, the background check is only a criminal background check and doesn’t pick up those who’ve been treated for mental issues or identifying those with suspected emotional disorders.

Well Recon, don’t you think that common sense would say that a background check should include mental and emotional disorders?

josef

December 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

First and foremost, our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.

oops

December 14th, 2012
3:52 pm

We live in an era of irresponsibility.

clem

December 14th, 2012
3:52 pm

let us keep them in our hearts and prayers. may our creator give us the wisdom to find solutions to make our world a little better each day.

East Lake Ira

December 14th, 2012
3:53 pm

@BryanJFischer: When we had God and prayer in our public schools, we didn’t need guns.

Cons are contemptable.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 14th, 2012
3:53 pm

td @ 3:38

THANK YOU.

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
3:53 pm

Aquagirl

December 14th, 2012
3:33 pm
Waiting periods for all weapons need to be enacted nationwide.

These two are already the law of the land in every state and as a nation.

What? I’ve never bought a firearm here but I didn’t think there was a mandatory waiting period.
________________________________________
I went to the gun show in Forrest Park and, after the background check, walked out the same day with my handgun.

Same thing when I later purchased my shotgun.

yuzeyurbrane

December 14th, 2012
3:54 pm

I am sick and tired of hearing gun fanatics rant that guns don’t kill people, that people kill people. As far as I am concerned all of those should be feeling a deep sense of shame and remorse as enablers of this horrific crime. What will it take for America to act like a civilized country on this issue?

Mr. Holmes

December 14th, 2012
3:54 pm

No action heroes required. Just someone who knows what they are doing.

Unless of course the shooter also knows what he’s doing and kills that person first. But heck, why don’t we just give the kindergarteners guns, too?

The argument from the gun lobby is that gun violence is solved with more guns. #insanity

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2012
3:54 pm

Ahh, the mythical hero with a gun. :roll: Ask the Empire State victims who were killed by well trained cops. http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/index.html

rightwingextreme

December 14th, 2012
3:56 pm

Someone on Twitter just asked me: “WHY does this happen now when it didn’t 40, 50 years ago? WHAT is different?” I don’t know the answer to that one either.

Jay, sadly this type of tragic situation is not limited to the U.S. A simple search of school massacres on wikipedia lists at least 64 shootings dating back to 1913. China lists around 24 with the U.S listing around 17 events not counting today. All of China’s begin in the 2000s. The U.S. dates back to 1927.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 14th, 2012
3:56 pm

are there any mayors FOR illegal guns?

And “Drunks Against Mad Mothers”

josef

December 14th, 2012
3:56 pm

JAY

I am sure what I am about to say will be taken the wrong way, but I feel obligated to say it none the less. In a warped and twisted way part of the why is, I believe, evidenced in your post. Not the words, which are sincere and from the soul, but with the photo you have put in. We have become voyeurs into the grief and anguish of others. That image, to a degree, is what the perpetrator had in mind and we have, again in a warped and twisted fashion, given him what he wanted.

Now, Jay, and I am not trying to be my usual snippy self…why did you put it there?

East Lake Ira

December 14th, 2012
3:56 pm

To those folks that believe waiting periods and registration is the law of the land, here is reality: Gun Shows.

I erred with Automatic. Should have said Assault Weapons.

Class of '98

December 14th, 2012
3:57 pm

It has to do with this… if there were some college student at Va Tech with a gun in his backpack, maybe he could have done something before that nutjob killed 30+ people.

Same deal here. A hypothetical teacher who had a gun could have saved lives when he/she heard gunshots.

But of course these are “gun-free zones” which means expulsion or termination if they are caught with a gun.

The madman who wants to see how many people he can kill before killing himself has little concern for “gun-free zones.”

I actually don’t own a gun, but I fully support the 2nd Amendment. The most obvious reason to me is that there is no guarantee that the federal government (or police, etc.) will always be in existence. It is a fundamental human right to be able to defend one’s self, whether it be from tyranny, a bear, or an extra terrestrial.

Maybe if we started teaching our children that in this universe there is right and wrong, good and evil, and stop teaching them that all ideas/virtues/morals are equivalent, our society would be better off.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

Common Sense

December 14th, 2012
3:50 pm

People successfully defend themselves every day in this country with guns.

Schools are an exception, because someone thinks things are safer that way.

Just one gun could have halted this as it started.

No action heroes required. Just someone who knows what they are doing.
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.
.YOU that person?

Who decides who is that person?

Want a trained SWAT officer in every classroom?

rightwingextreme

December 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

East Lake Ira

December 14th, 2012
3:56 pm

I erred with Automatic. Should have said Assault Weapons.

And just what is an assault weapon. If someone attacks you with a knife is that an assault weapon? How about a car? Knife? Scissors? I could go on.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

bman.

December 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

“People who once might have stewed, alone, in their twisted anger and bitterness now recognize themselves in others they see on the evening news, and one violent incident creates a sort of permission for the next”

It isn’t the evening news. It’s the non-stop coverage of something like this. I watched for about an hour…the same camera views – from a distance, bird’s eye view, the parents – while the news anchor and reporters say the same thing over & over & over….

Common Sense

December 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

Mr. Holmes,

So your strategy is surrender. So be it. But you ignore the fact that every day people successfully defend themselves.

I’d rather die trying to defend myself than surrendering.

Recon 0311 2533

December 14th, 2012
4:00 pm

I think that the majority of law abiding gun owners, particularly gun owners who’re also parents or grandparents would support any legislation including the removal of rights to own firearms if they believed it would truly stop the type of tragedy that occurred today. The problem is that restrictive gun control won’t prevent the type of tragedy that took the lives of innocent children today. The good news is that in our society with millions of firearms owned by private citizens these tragedies are committed by only a small fraction of people who possess them.

vedette

December 14th, 2012
4:00 pm

The gun lobby always says, ‘Now’s not the time to talk about gun control. We need to respect the dead, and not politicize this tragedy.’ Seems to me, it’s the perfect time to talk about gun control. I have a few guns, but I tell you what, My Second Amendment rights don’t mean as much to me as my grandkids. And your Second Amendment rights mean even less. If the NRA doesn’t offer up some solutions, they’re going to lose their seat at the table.

East Lake Ira

December 14th, 2012
4:00 pm

rightwingnutjob:

Assault weapon is a political term, often used by gun control advocates, typically referring to firearms “designed for rapidly firing at human targets from close range,”[1] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[2]

The term was most notably used in the language of the now-expired Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994, more commonly known as the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired in 2004. The federal assault weapons ban specifically prohibited 19 guns considered to be assault weapons. These were all semi-automatic firearms, meaning that they can eject spent shell casings and chamber the next round without additional human action, but (as opposed to automatic firearms) only one round is fired per pull of the trigger.[1] In addition to the 19 weapons specifically prohibited, the federal assault weapons ban also defined as a prohibited assault weapon any semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine and at least two of the following five items: a folding or telescopic stock; a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; a bayonet mount; a flash suppressor or threaded barrel (a barrel that can accommodate a flash suppressor); or a grenade launcher. The act also defined as a prohibited assault weapon semi-automatic pistols that weighed more than 50 ounces when unloaded or included a barrel shroud, and barred the manufacture of magazines capable of carrying more than 10 rounds.[1]

Although the federal assault weapons ban expired in 2004, several states have their own assault weapons bans, which sometimes differ from the former federal law. For example, in California, the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 bars a number of specific firearm models as well as firearms that have one of a number of features.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Joe Hussein Mama

December 14th, 2012
4:00 pm

Surely this is not the right time to point fingers and raise voices. Today we can grieve; there will be ample time to question and argue later.

I extend my deepest sympathies and condolences to the families and friends of those killed and wounded in this tragedy. I sincerely hope that they find comfort and solace in the coming days, whether it be from family, clergy, professional counselors or from whatever quarter.

And for those who are touched by this horror and think they have nowhere to turn, I encourage you to find it within yourself to *ask* for help. At times like these, we are not at our best and some victims — especially those who do not show outward wounds — may be inadvertently overlooked.

And for those who are asked for help — please do your utmost to extend a helping hand to those asking for it. It is a times like these that we are reminded of the value of community, and it is also at times like these when we as Americans shine most brightly.

That Black Guy

December 14th, 2012
4:01 pm

retiredds

December 14th, 2012
3:45 pm
So what will the response be from the NRA?
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Have you contacted them or visited their site to see if they have a statement about this?

Or do you think they have a spokesperson monitoring this blog?

not so independent thinker

December 14th, 2012
4:01 pm

“”"”"”"”"Firearm laws in Australia are enforced at a Federal and State level. Gun ownership is accessible only for those persons with ‘genuine reasons’ who can obtain a Permit to Acquire from local Police stations. ‘Genuine Reasons’ focus on primary production, licenced sport, animal control or employment requirements, and do not include ‘personal protection.’ In New South Wales (and similar in other States), firearm ownership is widely prohibited for convicted offenders. Gun ownership is low in metropolitan areas whose residents would generally not fulfill ‘Genuine Reasons’ requirements. Gun licences must be renewed frequently and expire automatically.
Firearm controls have been in place following the 1996 Port Arthur massacre. Gun ownership in Australia is not a wide social issue, and major political parties are generally supportive of pro-control legislation “”"”"”"”"”"” from Wikipedia

Guess these fascist Aussies don’t have those God given second amendment rights we thankfully have free of that nasty preamble gibberish

STUPID LIBERAL

December 14th, 2012
4:01 pm

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2012
3:45 pm

bookman parrot

December 14th, 2012
3:38 pm

Granny
that is a nice idea,… but the problem is people,… and there are and will continue to be people who do not have a regard for life and rules and would still get weapons and not care about the consequences…
the sad truth is that these shootings are people problems, societal problems …
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People who pooh pooh stuff like this are the problem

Question

Are you part of the problem or do you want to be a part of the solution?
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Granny,

people like you are the problem.

Why do you feel the need to take away my right to protect myself, and my family from nuts like this guy ??

You think the police can protect you ?

Where were the police today ?

In China, guns are not available, but just last night while you were asleep, a crazy man with a knife stabbed 22 children at a school.

Our country would be a very bad place if the CONSUMERS are not allowed to own a firearm. Then, only Government employees will be allowed to have them. If you want to live in a country where guns are not legal to own, I suggest you move to China. In China, Only Government Employees are allowed to carry guns.