In campaign, GOP was simply less competent, efficient
One of the key selling points for Mitt Romney as president was his competence. This was a guy who knew how to run things. As a successful business leader, he had demonstrated the ability to transform an organization to make it operate faster, more efficiently and more effectively, and if given the chance he could do the same in government. That argument was extended to the overall Republican “brand’ as well, with the party selling itself as the party of business, run by people in business suits whose skills and work ethic were honed by free-market competition.
And of course, the primary way in which such claims are tested in the political arena is through the operation of a campaign. So it’s been interesting to see a string of post-election stories along the lines of this piece from The Washington Post:
Senior Republican campaign operatives who gathered over beer last week in Alexandria for a post-election briefing were taken aback by what they were told. A nonpartisan research firm presented data showing that President Obama had far outperformed Mitt Romney in managing the largest single expenditure of the campaign: television advertising.
Romney’s spending decisions on advertising look like “campaign malpractice,” said one person who had reviewed the newly circulated data.
Obama and his allies spent less on advertising than Romney and his allies but got far more — in the number of ads broadcast, in visibility in key markets and in targeting critical demographic groups, such as the working class and younger voters in swing states. As the presidential race entered its final, furious phase, for example, millions of college football fans tuning in to televised games saw repeated ads for Obama but relatively few from the Romney campaign.
All told, from June through Election Day, the Obama campaign and its allies aired about 50,000 more ads than Romney and his allies, according to the research firm’s data.
In other words, judged in terms of cost-effectiveness and efficiency — getting the most bang of out an advertising dollar — the Obama camp clearly outperformed the Romney camp. Other stories have documented the Obama campaign’s superior ability to identify its voters and get them to polls.
The Obama-ites also outperformed the Romney camp in its use of technology, as Ars Technica, a site specializing in the IT world, explains in a piece headlined “How Team Obama’s tech efficiency left Romney IT in dust.”
And as Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight has noted, that advantage shouldn’t be surprising. The Obama camp was able to tap the best and the brightest in the IT field because the IT field as a whole was strongly supportive of the incumbent:
“Among employees who work for Google, Mr. Obama received about $720,000 in itemized contributions this year, compared with only $25,000 for Mr. Romney. That means that Mr. Obama collected almost 97 percent of the money between the two major candidates.
Apple employees gave 91 percent of their dollars to Mr. Obama. At eBay, Mr. Obama received 89 percent of the money from employees.
Over all, among the 10 American-based information technology companies on Fortune’s list of “most admired companies,” Mr. Obama raised 83 percent of the funds between the two major party candidates.
Mr. Obama’s popularity among the staff at these companies holds even for those which are not headquartered in California. About 81 percent of contributions at Microsoft, which is headquartered in Redmond, Wash., went to Mr. Obama. So did 77 percent of those at I.B.M., which is based in Armonk, N.Y.”
To summarize, it would appear that in the 2012 presidential campaign a team of lazy, moochin’ Democratic “47 percenters” led by a lowly “community organizer” (insert snicker here) out-smarted, out-worked, out-adapted, out-teched and out-organized the buttoned-down corporate types led by a captain of American industry. In a campaign that in many ways turned into a contest between Old America and New America, New America proved the more fit competitor and dashed some stereotypes along the way.
– Jay Bookman
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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
December 13th, 2012
10:16 am
Brosephus™
December 13th, 2012
10:02 am
I disagree with the idea that unions are in employees best interest…at least not in the past couple or 3 decades. They earned fees by negotiating post-retiree benefits that no long term pro-forma suggested were sustainable. Unions are a money making racket for those in charge with a long history of corruption. Of course, it’s all the rich folks fault….don’t consider demand, technology and competition…unions are dying breed and hope they RIP
Erwin's cat
December 13th, 2012
10:16 am
Generally the race is the incumbents to lose…so any challenger will have to out spend.
Being the incumbent allows for him to campaign while looking presidential and some “stealth campaigning” on the tax payers dime disguised as presidential business..he gets automatic free exposure…how efficient is that?
Lynnie Gal
December 13th, 2012
10:16 am
“Just face the truth…Romney didn’t promise enough people enough stuff in exchange for their vote. That’s pretty much all our elections have become these days.” RB in Gwinnett is right. Romney didn’t promise enough people enough stuff. He promised 2% a whole lot of stuff–even more tax breaks! –He promised the other 98% of Americans that he would take away their stuff–like their healthcare and education.
JohnnyReb
December 13th, 2012
10:17 am
indigo – what a load of crap you posted. If Obama was a Conservative we would love him as much as you Moonbats.
Brosephus™
December 13th, 2012
10:17 am
Most if not all BO’s allegations about Romney’s tenure and track record at Bain…such as outsourcing, vulture capitalist, and the like were labeled 4 pinocchios
And just what in the Sam Hell does that factoid have to do with anything I said? Did I mention Romney? Bain? Obama?
Geez dude, leave your Obama obsession alone and respond to what’s on the screen.
Hillary 2016
December 13th, 2012
10:18 am
…stay tuned…
Erwin's cat
December 13th, 2012
10:18 am
indigo –
Kool-Aid, it’s what for breakfast
Regnad Kcin
December 13th, 2012
10:19 am
“The State, or its mouthpieces, does not like to mention that over 3 quarters of Decent Americans did NOT vote for [Obama]…”
Could we have a link, and a definition of “Decent Americans,” please?
Granny Godzilla
December 13th, 2012
10:20 am
F. Sinkwich
December 13th, 2012
10:08 am
Looked at your links, Granny.
First was about the primary — no O’bozo there.
Second confirmed my post.
Granny = Epic Fail
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Yes the first one is about the primary and how Romney got better coverage than Obama following the primaries.
Congrats..uou can read mostly.
The second states:
As Romney gained in the polls in the aftermath of the debate, he got substantially more favorable media coverage: 20 percent positive, 50 percent mixed and 30 percent negative. Obama’s coverage suddenly became more negative. Nearly three times as many Obama-related stories had a negative tone than a positive one: 13 percent positive, 51 percent mixed and 36 percent negative.
Overall, however, Obama still has received slightly more favorable coverage this year. The reason, Pew discovered, is that much of the TV coverage of the campaign involved polling and the daily “horse race.” Since Obama led for much of the year, much of the positive coverage reflected his advantage in the polls.
Which is not really….”the overwhelmingly positive media provided by the MSM (ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT, WP, etc.). ”” – where your posting set the goal posts.
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Go back to daming America….you have a talent for that.
JohnnyReb
December 13th, 2012
10:20 am
Good Fight – Obama’s debate performance was well rehearsed; the next thing to a teleprompter. You can always tell when he is going off script. His delivery changes as if he is in a pulpit trying to convince the flock.
alex
December 13th, 2012
10:20 am
Indigo, when all else fails throw the RACE card, read what Jays opinion says, …nothing about race…Come on man get out of the race thing that is so annoying and superficial,, stick to the Jay piece, plenty to chew on there without resorting to the racial crap, you CAN do better…
Judd 2016
December 13th, 2012
10:21 am
…will defeat Mitch McConnell hands down….get ready!
clem
December 13th, 2012
10:21 am
yea, georgie was so smoooooooth
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
December 13th, 2012
10:22 am
Brosephus™
December 13th, 2012
10:16 am
Why on earth does anyone consider that it is business’ obligation to create jobs? Profit is the only thing that can make future growth possible. PE’s et al are not any more guilty of razing jobs for sh*ts’ and giggles than general business.
BO was uber-successful demonizing all such firms while taking no small amount of cash out the backdoor of same…
Mike
December 13th, 2012
10:22 am
Wealthy Stars are hiding their money from the “Taxman” too, it seems.
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ap/ap/entertainment/pennies-over-patriotism-look-at-tax-averse-stars/nTTxd/
Granny Godzilla
December 13th, 2012
10:23 am
Teleprompter!
Now they’ve hit 3 of my ten favorite piffle-isms.
Democratic Plantation
LIberal Media
Teleprompter
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Is that like touchdown or hole in one or hat trick or something?
Brosephus™
December 13th, 2012
10:23 am
I disagree with the idea that unions are in employees best interest…at least not in the past couple or 3 decades. They earned fees by negotiating post-retiree benefits that no long term pro-forma suggested were sustainable. Unions are a money making racket for those in charge with a long history of corruption.
Of course you’d disagree with that idea. Your painting of unions show that you’ve completely bought into the stereotype foisted upon this country by the right wing machine. And to think that you portray yourself as some type of middle ground guy.
Funny how you accuse me of beliveing liberal machination and turn around and vomit right wing rhetoric almost word for word from the playbook.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
December 13th, 2012
10:23 am
Granny Godzilla
December 13th, 2012
10:20 am
I submit to you that if Romney got more coverage (who really knows?) it was because he provided the most comedic material…:-)
barking frog
December 13th, 2012
10:24 am
granny godzilla
maybe…trifecta
Judd 2014
December 13th, 2012
10:24 am
Poll: Ashley Judd top Dem choice in Senate race
5:04PM EST December 11. 2012 – Kentucky Democrats have spoken: Ashley Judd is their top choice to face Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell in 2014.
The actress was the Senate candidate of choice for 29% of Democratic primary voters in a new Public Policy Polling survey, easily beating out such experienced politicians as Lt. Gov. Jerry Abramson and Attorney General Jack Conway.
Abramson, the former long-time mayor of Louisville, received 16% support followed by Conway, the Democratic nominee for Senate in 2010, with 15%.
Judd is reportedly seriously considering running for the Senate, according to a Politico report, and has talked to a pollster among other steps.She attended the University of Kentucky, but now lives in Tennessee.
McConnell campaign manager Jesse Benton has warned that the Kentucky Republican will be ready to aggressively push back on any and all comers. The PPP poll showed McConnell would lead Abramson, Conway and Judd, even though the Republican has a low approval rating among Kentucky voters. (McConnell is rated favorably by 37% of Kentucky voters compared to 55% who view him unfavorably.)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2012/12/11/ashley-judd-senate-kentucky-poll/1761967/
indigo
December 13th, 2012
10:24 am
Johnny Reb – 10;17 “if Obama was a conservative, we would love him”
SURE you would, bubba hoss!!!!
Granny Godzilla
December 13th, 2012
10:24 am
“Why on earth does anyone consider that it is business’ obligation to create jobs?”
Ok, Why on earth should we consumers, who truly drive the economy and are the real job creaters,
ever do business with any firm that does not focus on creating jobs in America?
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 13th, 2012
10:24 am
Well, well, well. Looks like you Cons and your “media personality getting a beat down by union thugs” was a doctored video created from multiple cameras and across multiple hours:
Unfortunately for Mr. Crowder, a look at the video broadcast on the Sean Hannity show appears to show quite clearly that he left out an important section of the footage when he put together his edit. A section of the Fox News broadcast preserved by the Web site Mediaite shows that Mr. Hannity’s producers at Fox News started the clip five seconds earlier than Mr. Crowder did. What the extra footage reveals is the man who punched Mr. Crowder being knocked to the ground seconds before and then getting up and taking a swing at the comedian.
Mackey adds that there’s another problem: “The still frame he used for the clip’s title image on YouTube, which offers a much clearer image of the man punching him, was obviously shot by a second camera, from an entirely different angle than the rest of the footage he presented of the man hitting him.”
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/13/fox_news_revealed_selective_editing_of_punched_fox_news_contributor/
Busted! Our “media people” are just a lot smarter than your Fox News media people. More prrof of incompetence.
Aquagirl
December 13th, 2012
10:25 am
if Romney got more coverage (who really knows?) it was because he provided the most comedic material…:-)
Sorry… that award clearly goes to Herman Cain.
Mick
December 13th, 2012
10:26 am
Obama is destroying the middle class? I think not, it might have a lot to do with outsourcing or republican fealty to the wealthy at the expense of the middle class…
RB from Gwinnett
December 13th, 2012
10:27 am
“I love your strategery; it is working out great!”
You mean the strategy of actually having the nerve to offer people an opportunity to be successful on their own vs. your strategy of giving them free stuff for their vote? Is that what you mean?
I concede free stuff is more appealing and as more poeple figure out they can vote themselves plunder from the public treasury, we’ll slide down that same slippery slope Greece, Spain, and others have gone down. It’s inevitable, so I hope your peeps enjoy the ride on down cause it ain’t gonna be no picnic.
Granny Godzilla
December 13th, 2012
10:27 am
Stevie Ray
Well I surely though he did…
indigo
December 13th, 2012
10:27 am
Erwin’s cat – 10:18
You like to sit back and make witty remarks.
Hint – your remarks aren’t very witty.
Another hint – you’re actually not very smart. Just another of the many legends in their own minds here.
GT
December 13th, 2012
10:27 am
Jay I love this, it is the positive so many in old America want to ignore.
I have a theory that the right had cloistered itself so completely in its bubble of artificial reality that it was totally off balance when it had to come out on Main Street with the ideas that sounded so good in its cave. Romney had to relaunch his campaigns over and over as his assumptions of where the American public was never matched the polls of which FOX was telling him were left wing propaganda and he was dumb enough to believe FOX had a clue of what was going on.
Adam
December 13th, 2012
10:29 am
Would anyone believe there’s actually a libertarian school of thought now that the Republicans and Democrats are working together to ensure that their chosen candidate gets elected and that the differences and fights between the two parties are nothing more than an elaborate ruse to make us think we have power? Even data like this is just a ruse, just like fossils are really God’s way of testing our faith in the age of the earth.
Brosephus™
December 13th, 2012
10:29 am
Why on earth does anyone consider that it is business’ obligation to create jobs?
Well I’ll be damned…. So you DID NOT read what I posted earlier then when you accused me of falling for liberal stuff then, huh? That’s all I stated earlier, yet you accused me of not knowing the value of PE or VC. The value of those two are irrelevant to the statement that I made, which was more about their PURPOSE. And I still stand with my original statement.
“running a venture capital firm is not a perfect skill set for campaigns but for
job creationwealth accumulation”So, explain to me how that statement is factually incorrect?
guy
December 13th, 2012
10:29 am
Jay, you are correct and obama also knew by increasing welfare,etc. over four years he bought those voters.That was smart. What hurt Romney the most is he promised to put people who need to be working back to work. Kiss of death!
Granny Godzilla
December 13th, 2012
10:29 am
Greece?
Hell no..the GOP wants us to go the way of Chile…..
RB…Do you know that story?
It’s worth a peek.
Williebkind
December 13th, 2012
10:29 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 13th, 2012
9:47 am
“bollocks”
Are you saying that Obama did not get favorable reporting by the massive news media? OMG, that is just unbelievable the lack of comprehension liberals have.
stands for decibels
December 13th, 2012
10:32 am
Romney didn’t promise enough people enough stuff in exchange for their vote. That’s pretty much all our elections have become these days.
I say this sincerely–I really hope that continues to be your party’s take-away from 2012.
Lord Help Us
December 13th, 2012
10:32 am
‘Obama is killing the middle class. Anyone with two grey cells to rub together can see that.’
AH HA! I see the problem. ODS victims have only two grey cells, the rest of us have millions….
oops
December 13th, 2012
10:33 am
the stupid. oh it hurts. it burns…..
http://saportareport.com/blog/2012/12/new-atlanta-falcons-stadium-can-be-a-catalyst-to-improve-nearby-communities/
Erwin's cat
December 13th, 2012
10:33 am
indigo – You like to sit back and make witty remarks
while you sit back and make mindless racially charged remarks…
Williebkind
December 13th, 2012
10:34 am
““Why on earth does anyone consider that it is business’ obligation to create jobs?”
Ok, Why on earth should we consumers, who truly drive the economy and are the real job creaters,
ever do business with any firm that does not focus on creating jobs in America?”
This is a liberal/socialist comprehension of capitalism. It is worse up north and on the east and west coast.
weetamoe
December 13th, 2012
10:34 am
There is no way a competent businessman can win a political contest against a ruthless thug. Especially when said ruthless thug enlists media folk to spread such smears as the *war on women.* Democrat senator Bobby Menendez punches a woman reporter in the face, but lalala–not significant. Democrat representative Jim Moran’s election fraud ennabler son smashes his girlfriend’s face into a garbage can –but lalala-not significant. Chicago law dean says Obama is no intellectual but has merely learned to ape the mannerisms of an intellectual. But lalala–he acts the part…pretty well… so it works.
Granny Godzilla
December 13th, 2012
10:34 am
Are you saying that Obama did not get favorable reporting by the massive news media?
Asks williebkind
Answer:
When he deserved it, and your problem with that is?
Williebkind
December 13th, 2012
10:35 am
Erwin’s cat
December 13th, 2012
10:33 am
There! You got that race card out fast.
Biden 2016
December 13th, 2012
10:35 am
tune in soon
Thomas Heyward Jr
December 13th, 2012
10:36 am
Regnad Kcin
December 13th, 2012
10:19 am
“The State, or its mouthpieces, does not like to mention that over 3 quarters of Decent Americans did NOT vote for [Obama]…”
Could we have a link, and a definition of “Decent Americans,” please?
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If you’re over the age of 10 and still need a definition of decency……chances are, you’re not.
Decency certainly doesn’t have anything to do with torture, assacinating 16 year-old Americans boys (or anybody for that matter), lying, and/or theft by coercion/violence.
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It’s never too late to reform though.
Try reading some Rothbard or Thoreau or something along those lines.
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Hope that helps.
GT
December 13th, 2012
10:37 am
Guy, love the thought that Obama bought votes from a supporter of the super pac introduced and supported by your party. We spent one billion dollars apiece on this election thanks to your paranoia that the American people could not think for themselves and needed some undisclosed wisdom from the right. How that work for you?
stands for decibels
December 13th, 2012
10:37 am
Are you saying that Obama did not get favorable reporting by the massive news media?
Not that you asked me, but–Obama received what one generally expects of an incumbent president. A challenger always has to work a bit harder to overcome the incumbent’s bully pulpit.
That is an accurate take on the media coverage of 2012. To go further and repeat the conservative meme that the corporate media was slobberingly favorable in their treatment of a fellow liberal only makes one sound foolish, especially a month after the election when one’s emotions should be well in check.
I could offer dozens of counter-examples–the most obvious being the media’s fixation with national polls that had it fairly close, even though the actual electoral vote race had been pretty much in the bag for Obama from early summer on, and he had enough of a margin for it not to matter much if (say) Ohio looked to be tightening.
Were you to read the headline and a graf or two of a lot of those stories, however, you’d think that Team Obama were running for their lives.
Aquagirl
December 13th, 2012
10:38 am
Hint – your remarks aren’t very witty.
Really? I cracked up at his(?) 9:55.
I can’t believe I’m defending the poster who committed Hasselhoff assaults on my person. I’m gonna go lie down.
Brosephus™
December 13th, 2012
10:39 am
There is no way a competent businessman can win a political contest against a ruthless thug.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama a thug???? Mr. Roll over President????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwoTcwpQ1N8
Granny Godzilla
December 13th, 2012
10:40 am
Williebkind
December 13th, 2012
10:34 am
““Why on earth does anyone consider that it is business’ obligation to create jobs?”
Ok, Why on earth should we consumers, who truly drive the economy and are the real job creaters,
ever do business with any firm that does not focus on creating jobs in America?”
This is a liberal/socialist comprehension of capitalism. It is worse up north and on the east and west coast.
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Yep all us liberal socialists are Christmas shopping.
It’s great to be an American job creator no matter what compass point one calls home.
It’s even better not to be the bucket holder for the oligarchs and their trickle down.
hope you’re wearing latex gloves, son.
Erwin's cat
December 13th, 2012
10:40 am
Williebkind – There! You got that race card out fast.
I guessed you missed indigo’s 10:14
Joe Hussein Mama
December 13th, 2012
10:42 am
0311 — “There is some truth in what you say but that certainly has nothing to do with the fact that the GOP was MORE RIGHT for this country.”
How TERRIBLE for you that other Americans didn’t agree with you.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 13th, 2012
10:42 am
“The State, or its mouthpieces, does not like to mention that over 3 quarters of Decent Americans did NOT vote for the “community orginizer””
considering he won with 51% of the vote, where do you get 75% of decent americans???
Brosephus™
December 13th, 2012
10:42 am
EC
Be kind to Williebkind. He misses lots of things. Bless his heart.
Scuba Steve
December 13th, 2012
10:43 am
You guys have GOT to be kidding with this “promised free stuff” garbage.
This is just sad at this point. Your party is going nowhere if you can’t even own a sound defeat. How about we try the following: your strategy, message, social positions, ability to relate, and RAMPANT foot-in-mouth disease.
Mark in mid-town
December 13th, 2012
10:43 am
Mitt Romney was not a good candidate and his strategy was abysmal. That said, had the msm put the same spin on the same data as they would had if a Republican was in office, then no way would Romney have lost. That’s the basic problem the Republican Party has going forward. Dominating in talk radio and having Fox News and the WSJ Editorial Page as well as having a couple of Think Tanks is no longer enough to even remotely counter the near complete control the Democratic Party and the liberal establishment have over other institutions, such as news, entertainment and academia. The Republicans thought they could spend massively on campaign commericals to overcome this or neutralize this, but that doesn’t work anymore. People tune out commercials, unless the msm creates a parallel narrative in support of such advertising. Which is what the msm did in the case of Obama’s negative commercials on Romney. Whereas, with regard to commercials Romeny Campaign and support groups would run, the msm narrative was how they were nothing but lies paid for by billionaires who didn’t want to pay their “fair” share.
Logical Dude
December 13th, 2012
10:44 am
Hi Jay,
So, it wasn’t that people voted their conscience and put the better guy into office, it’s because a few campaigners were incompetent on the losing side? Is that what this post is trying to say? Because that’s how I’m reading it.
“Who cares who the better candidate is, it doesn’t matter one whit. It’s about who spends money most effectively.”
Oh, okay.
DannyX
December 13th, 2012
10:44 am
“You mean the strategy of actually having the nerve to offer people an opportunity to be successful on their own vs. your strategy of giving them free stuff for their vote? Is that what you mean?”
In the mean time, in actual reality, as Jay pointed out, employees of high tech giants were giving to Obama, not Romney. The producers of modern culture were busy getting Obama re-elected. Meanwhile Fox News and Romney were talking about moochers, they still don’t know what hit them.
Lord Help Us
December 13th, 2012
10:44 am
‘Be kind to Williebkind. He misses lots of things.’
He was piffled on as a child…
GT
December 13th, 2012
10:44 am
stands for decibels, you nailed it. The right just tested positive that they really don’t have a molecule of sense on where this country is what it needs or really even cares. They pay big bucks just to listen to themselves talk.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 13th, 2012
10:45 am
S. Truths — “Day in and day out, you look for ways to slam the other side. Try selling and raising up the ideas of your side. Be positive. It’s almost the holidays.”
If you want that so badly, then get your own side working on it first, then.
deegee
December 13th, 2012
10:45 am
Romney was like your grandfather trying to set up a new electronic device.
My 30 year old, card carrying republican nephew who despises Obama proudly shared with us on Saturday how he avoids paying state income tax in Georgia where he resides.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 13th, 2012
10:46 am
“Sorry… that award clearly goes to Herman Cain.”
with Gov. “Ummmmmm …. Uhhhhhhhhh” Perry as a close second.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 13th, 2012
10:46 am
barking – either he is VERY nearsighted … or he has a thing for whooping cranes
I can speak from first hand experience that The Newt has a thing for breasts. He was at a book signing in a bookstore I was working in in college and he would just stare and stare and stare. Got busted? Hey, no problemo. We got a good laugh out of it.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 13th, 2012
10:47 am
M. Betty — “Dems are still gloating a month later? Perhaps they should get some work done.”
Perhaps cons should stop whining and looking for bulldada explanations for why they lost.
Erwin's cat
December 13th, 2012
10:48 am
Aquagirl – I owe a free hoff pass
RB from Gwinnett
December 13th, 2012
10:49 am
“Yep all us liberal socialists are Christmas shopping.”
Why exactly is it you Christian haters celebrate Christmas anyway? Shouldn’t you just go to work like you do every other day (no pun intended…) and pretend that whole Christ child thing never happened and is just for weak minds or whatever other hatred you’re spewing on Christains that day?
Scuba Steve
December 13th, 2012
10:49 am
Honestly how often did we hear from Limbaugh, et al. that alleged left-leaning pollsters were “pretending that the 2010 elections never happened.”
Now, they seem intent on pretending that the actual, tangible RESULTS of the 2012 election never happened! That there is nothing for them to have learned. WHAT is going on here?
Whatever
December 13th, 2012
10:49 am
Why does the media keep putting up the left and right nutcases? Why can’t we get some regular folks from each side to discuss things on the news?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/belafonte-advice-to-obama-imprison-opposition-like-a-third-world-dictator-video/
Regnad Kcin
December 13th, 2012
10:49 am
“Obama’s debate performance was well rehearsed; the next thing to a teleprompter.”
You just stretched that meme so far, it broke. I hope the recoil didn’t hurt.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 13th, 2012
10:49 am
“Are you saying that Obama did not get favorable reporting by the massive news media? OMG, that is just unbelievable the lack of comprehension liberals have.”
Sorry, but the facts simply don’t back up your thesis. The majority of “biased” articles favored Romney. “horse race” articles don’t count as they are fact-based (and, frankly, very few of those would favor Obama as the majority of coverage talked about how tight the race was)
hate to burst your bubble, but the facts simply don’t support you.
Aquagirl
December 13th, 2012
10:50 am
with Gov. “Ummmmmm …. Uhhhhhhhhh” Perry as a close second.
Wow, I’d forgotten all about his Brokeback Mtn. ad too. Upon further review, it’s impossible to pick the Republican candidate who provided the biggest laughs among such an embarrassment of riches.
barking frog
December 13th, 2012
10:51 am
The way to succeed in politics is when you lose, own your defeat, fix your
mistakes and go back to the ground to improve your base. What about this
do the Republicans not understand? Maybe they have confused politics with
religion. If so they better start praying for 2014…
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 13th, 2012
10:52 am
pretend that whole Christ child thing never happened and is just for weak minds or whatever other hatred you’re spewing on Christains that day?
Pretend?? LOL
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 13th, 2012
10:52 am
And, more to the point, fewer people are actually GETTING their news from traditional sources, according to Pew:
As the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press pointed out last week, digital news has surpassed radio and newspapers and is quickly catching up to television. Social networks are soaring as a source of news, and since 2010, the report said, “there has been a sharp decline in the proportion of Americans who got news yesterday only from a traditional news platform — from 40 percent then to 33 percent currently.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/01/business/media/challenging-the-claims-of-media-bias-the-media-equation.html?_r=0
alex
December 13th, 2012
10:52 am
@Gt, Don’t know about molecules or quarks, but confirmation bias on the right was definitely an issue as it is on the left between Granny and Danny and you and jamvet and brosephus and…….Jay and ….
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 13th, 2012
10:54 am
“Why exactly is it you Christian haters celebrate Christmas anyway?”
if it wasn’t for hyperbole, you wouldn’t have any bole at all.
besides, some of us celebrate the solstice / mid-winter festival as our pagan forbears did before us …
“Shouldn’t you just go to work like you do every other day (no pun intended…)”
no pun taken … since there wasn’t one.
Doggone/GA
December 13th, 2012
10:54 am
“considering he won with 51% of the vote, where do you get 75% of decent americans???”
Well, there’s all those children who are decent Americans. Of course, children can’t vote…but don’t let FACTS spoil a good rant!
Joe Hussein Mama
December 13th, 2012
10:54 am
S. Ray — “Why on earth does anyone consider that it is business’ obligation to create jobs?”
I’ll tell you why.
Because it’s government’s and society’s obligation to PARTICIPATE IN AND SUSTAIN the economy that makes it possible for business to realize profit. It is therefore business’ obligation to provide employment for citizens and tax revenue for government in order that THEY may continue to fulfill their part of the bargain.
In short, society puts labor and economic activity into the equation. Business is thereby obligated to put JOBS in there as well.
I have no problem extending tax breaks to companies that create jobs and hire Americans to fill them. And I have no problem imposing punitive taxation on companies that offshore jobs or move their operations overseas. If you want the benefit of American society, American workers, American defense, American transport and infrastructure, then you’d better pony up some freakin’ AMERICAN JOBS.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 13th, 2012
10:55 am
“I can speak from first hand experience that The Newt has a thing for breasts.”
poor choice of words, there, Finneus.
GT
December 13th, 2012
10:55 am
Obama is thinking faster on this cliff event too. The Republicans have dully boxed themselves in with their false assumptions, mainly to gain polar opposite positions from the Democrats who cleverly have taken the positions of the public at large.
Erwin's cat
December 13th, 2012
10:55 am
USinUK@ 10:52- I noticed last election that the left was far more savvy with the internet and social media…a big plus and draw for the young voter for sure…I think the right is just now getting on “myspace”
Thomas
December 13th, 2012
10:55 am
Losing a campaign to Bush or Obama is like being swept by the Cubs on your own field. Would strongly suggest changing a number of things on the team.
getalife
December 13th, 2012
10:55 am
Another slow news day so we get another thread on the failed gop party.
They are losers.
Nuff said.
Granny Godzilla
December 13th, 2012
10:56 am
RB from Gwinnett
December 13th, 2012
10:49 am
“Yep all us liberal socialists are Christmas shopping.”
Why exactly is it you Christian haters celebrate Christmas anyway? Shouldn’t you just go to work like you do every other day (no pun intended…) and pretend that whole Christ child thing never happened and is just for weak minds or whatever other hatred you’re spewing on Christains that day?
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RD, you remain one of the silliest creatures I know,,,and I know alot of 12 year old girls.
That said….the Christian hater thing is so much balderdash.
We don’t hate Christians. I don’t hate Christians, I am a follower of the fisherman myself….
We have a deep disdain of and lack of trust in faux christians, yellow christians and
crucifix on their sleeve christians.
The question is , why don’t you?
Thomas Heyward Jr
December 13th, 2012
10:56 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 13th, 2012
10:42 am
“The State, or its mouthpieces, does not like to mention that over 3 quarters of Decent Americans did NOT vote for the “community orginizer””
considering he won with 51% of the vote, where do you get 75% of decent americans???
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Do you REALLY need that explained?
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Even if you believe .gov figures……. 60 million voted for the “community orginizer”.
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Last census 311 million in America.
Williebkind
December 13th, 2012
10:56 am
“Mr. Crowder did. What the extra footage reveals is the man who punched Mr. Crowder being knocked to the ground seconds before and then getting up and taking a swing at the comedian.”
Liberal reporting again. The video, liberals use videos for all sorts of purposes, show pushing and shoving by many people because of tearing down the tent. You guy got up swinging. Finn you are a disgrace to a free society.
DannyX
December 13th, 2012
10:56 am
“…and pretend that whole Christ child thing never happened and is just for weak minds or whatever other hatred you’re spewing on Christains that day?”
Speaking of pretend… How about all the pretend Republican Christians like RB that pretend Jesus was for the rich.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 13th, 2012
10:57 am
Mark in Mid-Town — “Mitt Romney was not a good candidate and his strategy was abysmal.”
SNIP
After that point, tl;dr.
Regnad Kcin
December 13th, 2012
10:57 am
“What hurt Romney the most is he promised to put people who need to be working back to work”
Link, please?
Scuba Steve
December 13th, 2012
10:57 am
Ha, don’t bring the Cubs into this Thomas, they have it hard enough as it is.
Mick
December 13th, 2012
10:58 am
rb
You deal in sterotypes and misinformation.
A con back during our revolutionary war would have been on the side of the british crown. Progressives are what made this country great and there were many republicans in the past that contributed.
You side with the robber barons whom teddy roosevelt vanquished more than a century ago. Today’s brand of wealthy elites have a lot more technological weapons at their disposal, the republican party and their core are truly regressives, your brand is going the way of the hostess twinkie…
GT
December 13th, 2012
10:58 am
Alex being correct is not always a bias, sometimes it actually comes from being smarter.
RB from Gwinnett
December 13th, 2012
10:58 am
Lynnie, “He promised the other 98% of Americans that he would take away their stuff–like their healthcare and education.”
Yep Lynnie, that exactly what he wanted to do, take away everybody’s healthcare, close all hospitals, doctors offices, dentist offices, OG/GYN offices, pretty much all of them. No healtcare for ANYBODY. And don’t get us started on schools, Lynnie. Did you see the ad where he promised to close all schools from daycares right through the Ivy League? Wasn’t that an awesome plan?!!! Not sure how he was going to pull off the home school ban, but what a brilliant idea, don’t you think?!!!
Idiot.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 13th, 2012
10:59 am
RB — “Why exactly is it you Christian haters”
I don’t hate christians any more than I hate any other kind of theist.
I *intensely dislike* jackasses like you, though, but your religion doesn’t enter into that.
“celebrate Christmas anyway?”
Building’s locked that day. Can’t get in. (laughing)
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 13th, 2012
10:59 am
“Well, there’s all those children who are decent Americans. Of course, children can’t vote…but don’t let FACTS spoil a good rant!”
seriously – I’d really like to know who the “decent Americans” are … because there doesn’t seem to be a lot of them if 75% of them turned out for Romney and he still lost …
Williebkind
December 13th, 2012
10:59 am
Granny Godzilla
December 13th, 2012
10:56 am
I do Granny but I keep it to myself.
Doggone/GA
December 13th, 2012
11:00 am
“I’ll tell you why.”
JHM – there’s a much shorter answer: because if they want people to BUY from them, those people need JOBS to have the money to do so
Thomas Heyward Jr
December 13th, 2012
11:00 am
If anyone whats to know what the future of Amerika looks like for the next coupla years under Obama……..one only has to look at that fat-arse Union worker up in Lansing the other day.
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Rage…spittle……….violence.
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It’s the state’s way.
Brosephus™
December 13th, 2012
11:00 am
Don’t know about molecules or quarks, but confirmation bias on the right was definitely an issue as it is on the left between Granny and Danny and you and jamvet and brosephus and…….Jay and ….
I see we’re painting with the broad brush today. If you don’t mind, I’d prefer you keep me out of your broad brush memes. My bias is mine. I don’t rely solely on left or right leaning sources to form my opinion. That I don’t agree with you doesn’t make me a leftie anymore that not agreeing with Jay makes me a rightie.
You would do yourself great good to actually ask people their beliefs instead of assuming and lumping people into groups based on what you “think” they believe.
Ben
December 13th, 2012
11:01 am
Oh please, Obama didn’t win because he spent TV money more efficiently. He could have spent almost nothing on TV and still would have won. It’s a lot easier when 90% of reporters are one your side and act as campaigners for you. Plus you have large ethnic groups that would have voted for him no matter what based purely on his skin color. Yes, those people are racist, and don’t lie, you know they are out there, and that they voted for Obama based on skin color and nothing else. If you’re going to call out as bigots the very few people who refused to vote for Obama because he’s black (distinguished from the many who refused to vote for him because he’s not doing a good job), then you have to call out the people who voted for him simply because he’s black as bigots as well.