The biggest scandal in 50 years, right before your eyes
If you start naming the biggest political scandals of the past 50 years, Watergate and Bill Clinton’s “I did not have sex with that woman” mistake would have to be included. So would Ronald Reagan’s decision to secretly trade arms for hostages, along with the mass deception and self-deception perpetrated by the Bush administration to get us into Iraq.
However, while presidents Nixon and Clinton were led astray by their weakness for power and sex, neither consciously put the security of the country at risk. Reagan made a serious mistake, but he was at least motivated by sincere concern for the lives of U.S. hostages. The invasion of Iraq is a closer call, but even there, President Bush and his administration weren’t consciously choosing to do damage to our country.
By that standard, the most disturbing political scandal of the past half century is playing out today before our very eyes, to too little notice or comprehension. Marc Thiessen, a former speechwriter for George W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld and now a columnist for the Washington Post, lays the plot out there for everyone to see:
“Today, Obama is perfectly willing to go over the fiscal cliff and blame the GOP for the resulting tax increases on the middle class. But when it comes to the debt limit, he does not have that luxury. He can’t default on our debt — the consequences are too catastrophic. So in the end he will cave.
Indeed, he would have caved during the last debt-limit stand-off, in the summer of 2011. According to Bob Woodward, when Obama told his advisers he intended to veto the debt-limit bill the Republican-controlled House had passed, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner told him he couldn’t — that if Republicans didn’t give in, he had no choice but to sign their bill. “You can’t veto,” Geithner reportedly told Obama, because the consequences “would be indelible, incurable. It would last for generations.”
Republicans had Obama cornered and didn’t know it — so they let him off the hook. When the next debt-limit increase comes in February, they will know better. The president’s current negotiating leverage dissipates as soon as we go over the fiscal cliff. Come February, the tables will be turned — and Republicans will hold all the cards in the debt-limit negotiations.”
If I may, I would like to offer a pithier but still entirely accurate version of Thiessen’s advice to Republicans*:
That fool Obama cares too much about what happens to this country and its people. That is his fatal weakness. You, on the other hand, don’t care about “catastrophic” consequences that would be “indelible, incurable” and “last for generations.” Your amorality is your strength. Use it to demand what you want, or else.
Maybe it’s just me, but I find the whole idea extraordinary. Since when is the willingness to inflict “indelible, incurable” damage on our country something to be bragged about and used as leverage? Since when is it OK for a major political party to hold a gun to the country’s head, figuratively speaking of course? Has patriotism become so diluted by cynicism that such strategies can now be publicly embraced and advocated?
And of course, it’s not just some former speechwriter advocating this strategy. This is the course that the Washington Republican establishment seems ready to adopt. As Sen. Lindsey Graham told Fox Monday, “In February or March you have to raise the debt ceiling. And I can tell you this, there is a hardening on the Republican side. We’re not going to raise the debt ceiling.”
You’re not? What’s next? “We won’t pay the troops, even if it leaves the nation defenseless, unless you surrender to us on the budget?” How would that be substantively different?
Of course, Republicans have talked themselves into believing that this is all justified. They are so absolutely certain that they are correct about the budget that they are willing to knock the United States to its knees to get their way. It requires an enormous amount of self-righteousness and grandiosity to think that way, but they seem up to the task.
Somehow, it doesn’t seem to have crossed their minds that the U.S. Constitution offers an alternative means of resolving such disputes. It’s called free and open debate. It’s called elections. We just had one, focused largely on the issues at stake here; they spent well over $1 billion trying to sell their viewpoint, and they lost.
Now, having failed to convince the rest of their country of their wisdom, they believe that their desperation gives them the right to impose it under threat of grievous harm?
That isn’t leadership. That isn’t patriotism. It is the act of a petulant, frustrated three-year-old threatening to hold his breath until the country turns blue.
Which, now that I think about it, it may very well do.
– Jay Bookman
* A more risque, profane and metaphorical version of the strategy is available here.
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USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:05 am
Stevie Ray – drama of doom, you say???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqALm_rmM1g
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 11th, 2012
9:05 am
tm: My Lab does that not my representative who I want to e a pit bull
Well a pit bull can be more friendly than a lab unless treated cruely. A cougar, lion or any number of animals are much more vicious but I would not recommend any of them them as the deciders of my life. Current thinking is that the smartest dogs have the mentality of a 5 yr old, so its not surprising at all that the GOP conned expect childish behavior from their representatives without using real intelligence. How very sad
MikeB
December 11th, 2012
9:07 am
Leave all the “talk” about other scandels out…… Thats just a smokescreen for a President who has not a clue about how to actually work……
Twitter this and soundbite that so you media types are satiated and can write a story…. Thats how he operates. Don’t see alot of rolling up the sleeves and transparently working diligently through the process to avert this catasprophic line in the sand…..
That said, it comes down to this (as illustrated in Bob Woodwards book) both sides don’t trust ea. other… Obama is to naive to know the signs of a “good deal” and Boehner is unwilling to go the extra mile like he was previously, because his own party thinks he went too far to begin with in 2011…. Time for the President to show some leadership in the Congress, rather than offer the appearence of leadership via pandering out on the road…. That is how real work will get done.
To be fair, he is attempting to get more citizens interested and involved in what goes on in D.C. That is not a bad thing as long as those involved truly understand what they are contacting their representatives about….
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:07 am
“I thought you were going to say the biggest scandal was “Benghazi” or “Fast & Furious” and recommending that O be impeached…just kidding…of course”
of course you are … those are faux scandals created by FOX …
curious
December 11th, 2012
9:08 am
Stevie Ray
“Increased taxes on “rich” which is the holy grail of liberals is done.”
Tax cuts for the “rich”: The holy grail of conservatives.
Get Real
December 11th, 2012
9:09 am
Ah yes, the latest from Jaybon Republicans bad and Democrats good…
sdf…..quoting Krugman, peleeeez….his philosophy essentially states you simply cannot spend enough. Our bonds are so “attractive” because Europe is in such dire straits; the lesser of 2 evils….
JKL2
December 11th, 2012
9:09 am
-Somehow, it doesn’t seem to have crossed their minds that the U.S. Constitution offers an alternative means of resolving such disputes. It’s called free and open debate.
Harry Reid says,”What?”
I believe that motion has been tabled by the Democrats.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 11th, 2012
9:11 am
It requires an enormous amount of self-righteousness and grandiosity to think that way, but they seem up to the task
Yeah, or it just takes a certain amount of genuine unflinching ideological commitment – a concept that liberals generally have difficulty understanding.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:12 am
“Our bonds are so “attractive” because Europe is in such dire straits; the lesser of 2 evils….”
right. that’s the only reason our bonds are attractive … not because the US is a leading trade partner and they want to hold currency or anything
oy to the stupid.
Get Real
December 11th, 2012
9:13 am
Get a grip Butch
williebkind
December 11th, 2012
9:13 am
Hi Ho, Hi ho off the cliff we go the people are chastised because Obama will not compromise, hi ho.
JP
December 11th, 2012
9:13 am
Sure, USinUK, FoxNews created the “Benghazi” or “Fast & Furious”…our Ambassador really wasn’t dragged through the streets of Libya and murdered…also American astronauts never walked on the moon…all done in a studio. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and watching BSNBC!
Road Scholar
December 11th, 2012
9:15 am
Let’s stop talking about tax increases and focus on deductions and exemptions. Cut all deductions except charitable contributions and mortgage interest under that for a $1 million dollar home. Then remove the exemption for churches and other religious institutions!
Gerrymandering in GA? Sanford Bishop’s district? Do you know how hard it was to get all south Georgia dems into one area the size of a CD? They also gave up on the 4th and 5th districts keeping the rest for the conserves….oh, they forgot to win the Savannah/John Barrow one!!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 11th, 2012
9:17 am
USinUK, sometimes I just have to recall that Fox viewers are the most misinformed and delusional viewers in the country. They also thought they were going to beat Obama.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:19 am
“Sure, USinUK, FoxNews created the “Benghazi” or “Fast & Furious””
they sure are trying to turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse for themselves.
you must be VERY proud to be so easily led.
willydoit?
December 11th, 2012
9:19 am
“”At a campaign-style event in Michigan, Obama warned his listeners their taxes will rise on Jan. 1 without action by the Congress. “That’s a hit you can’t afford to take,” he declared”"
http://www.ajc.com/news/ap/top-news/obama-boehner-discuss-fiscal-cliff-stalemate/nTRPP/
Why is he still campaigning?
I don’t really have an extra $2200 to pay in taxes this year, but I am willing to sacrifice and pay it…its the American thing to do.
Its time for the rich and the middle class to roll up our sleeves and pay our “fair share”!
Who’s with me??
TaxPayer
December 11th, 2012
9:20 am
Poor Republicans. Worrying about what will become of themselves when they go splat after jumping off the cliff of their own demise. The cliff of higher taxes on the wealthiest. Will their billionaire backers quit funding their elections once they see that the Republicans cannot deliver anything at all in exchange for their money. The drama unfolds.
Georgia
December 11th, 2012
9:20 am
The biggest scandal in fifty years. Gotta be when the queen of mean first described the despised 47% as “little people” who are the only suckers who pay taxes.
F. Sinkwich
December 11th, 2012
9:21 am
When O’bozo campaigned on a “balanced” approach to the budget he meant increased taxes balanced by unlimited automatic increases to the debt ceiling, apparently.
Got it.
RIP USA 1776-2012
emz
December 11th, 2012
9:21 am
Like the country turning blue.
Real Scootter
December 11th, 2012
9:23 am
They also thought they were going to beat Obama.
I disagree Keep.I think it was just “wishful” thinking.
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:24 am
Let’s default on our obligations and let China foreclose on on us.
Ok, I’ll ask the class again–anyone know what China’s share of our ZOMG it is TEH SCARY! 16 trillion debt is, percentage-wise?
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(raw-number answer here; you’ll still need to do a bit of elementary-school math for the actual percentage.)
Joe Hussein Mama
December 11th, 2012
9:25 am
straitroad — “There are democrats in gerrymandered districts as well.”
And, as I told you yesterday, given the sheer VOLUME of votes by which the Democrats outscored the Republicans in November, gerrymandering is the only reason y’all still have a majority in the House.
So you go riiiiight ahead and keep playing things the same way. See if that doesn’t cause you to lose more seats in two years.
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:25 am
Why is he still campaigning?
Because he hasn’t personally fixed everything that sucks about America yet.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:26 am
Keep Up – “USinUK, sometimes I just have to recall that Fox viewers are the most misinformed and delusional viewers in the country”
the “clap if you believe” brigade.
Donovan
December 11th, 2012
9:27 am
You liberals are something else. Twisted minds with vengeful motives. Similar to Muslims who kill in the name of Allah, but call their faith a religion of peace. Let’s look at the Bookman diatribe here.
“Since when is the willingness to inflict indelible, incurable damage on our country something to be bragged about and used as leverage?”
Has the Democrat Senate passed a balanced budget in years? No it has not and refuses to do so. Has the Democrat leadership stopped spending and made rectifying cuts to save this country? No they haven’t. Have Democrats in the Senate tried to work with the House Republicans? No they haven’t. All they get are replies from that old liberal coot, Reid, that each initiative is “Dead On Arrival”.
The propaganda from Bookman is as close-minded and vengeful as the party he supports. You reckless goofballs do not have the best interests of this country in mind.
“Since when is it ok for a major political party to hold a gun to the country’s head”? I guess it’s ok when the Democrat Party did the same with ObamaCare. I believe the country was 85% in opposition to that rammed legislation. Once again, your Chicago style politics to party agenda overrides what’s best for this country.
You people won the election because you were smarter in choosing your battles. You Democrats are the slick purveyors of propaganda which effectively remind the have-nots of entitlement programs and class envy. The Santa Claus Party always trumps the pragmatic party. However, you have not won the war.
We don’t use slick terms like “blackmailers” or “hostage takers” like Pelosi and her ilk. We don’t spin up the propaganda machine each morning with delight like Jay Bookman. We simply put forth a message of dire consequences when threatened by a pompous president who just won an election.
You all don’t want to make any serious cuts and don’t want to tax the “middle class”? Ok, fine. Then let’s all hold hands and collectively suffer the consequences together. This Democrat/Bookman propaganda rubbish of placing the blame on Republicans for the Democrat folly of the last 4years is ludicrous.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:28 am
“RIP USA 1776-2012″
http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/ohdramazrb2.jpg?w=720
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:28 am
“We don’t spin up the propaganda machine each morning with delight like Jay Bookman. We simply put forth a message of dire consequences when threatened by a pompous president who just won an election.”
Donovan made a funny.
willydoit?
December 11th, 2012
9:29 am
“Because he hasn’t personally fixed everything that sucks about America yet.”
Money fixes everything in America…are you willing to pay more? It can be deducted right from your paycheck every week, you’ll never miss it.
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:29 am
oh, and williedoit @ 9.19, for what it’s worth I’ve been fine with paying the Clinton-era federal income taxes, myself, ever since Obama got elected in 2008; I don’t take issue with that part of your post.
However, I do tend to think that lower-incomed Americans shouldn’t get hit with higher taxes until we’ve got unemployment well under its current levels. I might be convinced otherwise if someone were to argue that those additional revenues would be plowed into new infrastructure spending.
Mr Right
December 11th, 2012
9:30 am
I thought you were going to say the biggest scandal was “Benghazi” or “Fast & Furious” and recommending that O be impeached…just kidding…of course”
of course you are … those are faux scandals created by FOX …
Ok,ok, move on, move on, nothing to see here! Fox had these people killed so just move on, sorry old Fox!
JKL2
December 11th, 2012
9:30 am
stands- Well done! we get the irrelevant Senatorial 2006 quote in 40 minutes!
Thanks for pointing out our president is a lying POS.
Ben Shockley
December 11th, 2012
9:30 am
Jay
December 11th, 2012
8:16 am
“Jay, we’ve heard Obama’s plans on raising taxes in detail, but nothing on his plan to cut spending. Have I missed something?”
“Straitroad, as the party demanding such cuts, the Republicans are obligated to propose them, correct?”
Jay, as the candidate who promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, Obama is obligated to submit a proposal to do so, correct?
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:30 am
You liberals are something else.
We “liberals” are the majority of your citizens. Might start learning how to cope with that.
(and no, I didn’t read the rest of your crap; I doubt most people do.)
Granny Godzilla
December 11th, 2012
9:31 am
F Sinkwich
RIP USA 1776-2012
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Well, you really are a piece of work.
Damning America like that.
Sad, sick and just plain un-American.
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:32 am
our president is a lying POS.
Stay classy, JKL2.
Stevie Ray
December 11th, 2012
9:34 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:05 am
I loved that show!
CURIOUS
Agreed but the DEMS and BO have been selling this thing ad nausea as a means to once again, lay blame…I don’t recall but when he agreed to extend these cuts (that he should have removed in the first place)years before, did the LIBS get up in arms about this?
The DEMS and GOP are victims of themselves and DC cash culture…we are simply along for the ride. Going over the cliff will be best thing to happen as this could be the impetus we need to push for reform..get private money out of DC
alittlecommonsense
December 11th, 2012
9:35 am
Um, taxpayer… I’m a 46 year old man. If you feel the need to call me a child, I could find lots of other names to call you. Let’s start with Jerk. If you have a point to make, make it without calling someone a child because you disagree with their politics. Jerk.
willydoit?
December 11th, 2012
9:35 am
“oh, and williedoit @ 9.19, for what it’s worth I’ve been fine with paying the Clinton-era federal income taxes, myself, ever since Obama got elected in 2008; I don’t take issue with that part of your post.”
Point made. I don’t have a problem raising taxes on the wealthy, I just believe we should all be willing to pay a little more ourselves if we are demanding another group pay more.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:35 am
“Ok,ok, move on, move on, nothing to see here! Fox had these people killed so just move on, sorry old Fox!”
“you provide the pictures, I’ll provide the war”
Brosephus™
December 11th, 2012
9:35 am
Speaking of gerrymandering. Have you looked at the Second Congressional district? Does the name Sanford Bishop mean anything to you? G-mandering happens with both parties.
Whining about a Democratic district that was created by Republicans??????? Oh My Freakin’ God!!!!! Such a bunch of whiney badonkadonk toboggans…
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:36 am
…are you willing to pay more?
yeah, I’ve said so.
I’ve even said I’d pay two months earnings just to hear Obama call out the “debt crisis” bullsh-t artists.
But no, if where you’re going is “will you unilaterally disarm in the hopes in order to add ~0.0000001% to the revenue stream”, I will not do that. Sorry, there are limits.
Seriously Folks
December 11th, 2012
9:36 am
Okay..I find it laughable that folks come on here and spout things like, “The President hasnt offered any specifics in cuts..only wants new taxes. Okay. This is REAL simple. Go to your search engine of choice….search “whitehouse.gov”…in the “what are you looking for” secting, type, “proposed cuts in spending”…and VOILA…a 213 page pdf outlining CUTS IN SPENDING… So PLEASE spare us all the “talking point” you heard this morning on am radio or cable television….this internet thingy kind of works! (but for those who think that is too many steps..I have taken the liberty to post here) http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/ccs.pdf
Welcome to the Occupation
December 11th, 2012
9:37 am
Donovan: “Has the Democrat Senate passed a balanced budget in years? ”
A balanced budget is a stupid economic idea that is only ever under discussion at all because it makes financiers and various other corporate interests, and their money-drenched lobbies in Washington, drool at the ability to wreak financial havoc to their own benefit.
Truly asinine idea that makes ze-ro sense.
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:38 am
Whining about a Democratic district that was created by Republicans??
y’know, I did google this Congrefsman’s name when it came up (I don’t know the guy), and I have to admit when I saw that he is African American and I started assuming how it was that his district was drawn, I was *this* tempted to react, but chose not to.
Figured there’d be better informed Georgians who could do so in my stead, and they have. Thanks!
Stevie Ray
December 11th, 2012
9:38 am
willydoit?
December 11th, 2012
9:19 am
Agreed…no way we get out of this mess without “middle class” stepping up..I’m have zero pity for those making over 75K with no dependents or filing separately…Since cuts will not likely take place, there will be push to go back to the rich well…particularly as we get buried by ACA new expense beyond 3.8% tax..
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:38 am
you’re right, JKL … because the economy today is EXACTLY like it was in 2006.
EXACTLY.
no difference whatsoever.
Mr Right
December 11th, 2012
9:39 am
Jay, as the candidate who promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, Obama is obligated to submit a proposal to do so, correct?
Obama promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term ? Now that’s a scandal Jay needs to look at!
Welcome to the Occupation
December 11th, 2012
9:39 am
Donovan: “Once again, your Chicago style politics to party agenda overrides what’s best for this country.
You people won the election because you were smarter in choosing your battles. You Democrats are the slick purveyors of propaganda which effectively remind the have-nots of entitlement programs and class envy. The Santa Claus Party always trumps the pragmatic party. However, you have not won the war.”
You got it bad there don’t ya kiddo?
DownInAlbany
December 11th, 2012
9:40 am
Road Scholar
December 11th, 2012
9:15 am
Gerrymandering in GA? Sanford Bishop’s district? Do you know how hard it was to get all south Georgia dems into one area the size of a CD? They also gave up on the 4th and 5th districts keeping the rest for the conserves….oh, they forgot to win the Savannah/John Barrow one!!!
Yep, redistricting took the only person who has really challenged Bishop (Mike Keown) right out of the 2nd!
Welcome to the Occupation
December 11th, 2012
9:40 am
I propose that any poster who slips and refers to the Democrat party as the “Democratic party” be banned from the site forthwith for 30 days. That ought to cure that.
F. Sinkwich
December 11th, 2012
9:40 am
“Damning America like that.”
Take another swig of Geritol, Granny. You have me confused with O’bozo’s spiritual advisor and mentor. O’bozo wants America damned just like Wright.
Remember that “fundamentally transform” thing?
weetamoe
December 11th, 2012
9:41 am
Most divisive president in history. Instead of calling a meeting with opponents and conducting negotiations in public so that those of us affected by the outcome can determine for ourselves the honesty and knowledge of the participants and what is a stake, Obama flits about the country trying to pit groups of citizens against each other. That’s the tantrum-prone three-year-old.
Brosephus™
December 11th, 2012
9:41 am
Has the Democrat Senate passed a balanced budget in years?
When did the “Party of Fiscal Responsibility” ever do that???
Joe Hussein Mama
December 11th, 2012
9:41 am
Donovan — “You liberals are something else. Twisted minds with vengeful motives. Similar to Muslims who kill in the name of Allah, but call their faith a religion of peace.”
ST*U, Donny.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/quotes
Brosephus™
December 11th, 2012
9:43 am
dB
And he’s still at it!!!!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:43 am
“Most divisive president in history. Instead of calling a meeting with opponents and conducting negotiations in public”
oh, bollocks.
the first thing he did upon reelection was to call the GOP leadership! know what they did? SAID THEY WERE EFFING ASLEEP RATHER THAN TAKE HIS CALL.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/us/politics/president-obama-begins-work-on-second-term.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:45 am
You have me confused with O’bozo’s spiritual advisor and mentor.
It’s called “irony,” Sink. Americans have been using it against oppressors since they started singing “Yankee Doodle Dandy.”
Brosephus™
December 11th, 2012
9:45 am
DownInAlbany @ 9:40
You do realize that Bishop’s district was drawn by the GOP Party here in Georgia, right?
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Redistricting_in_Georgia
TaxPayer
December 11th, 2012
9:46 am
Thanks for pointing out our president is a lying POS.
Granny Godzilla
December 11th, 2012
9:46 am
F. Sinkwich
December 11th, 2012
9:40 am
“Damning America like that.”
Take another swig of Geritol, Granny. You have me confused with O’bozo’s spiritual advisor and mentor. O’bozo wants America damned just like Wright.
Remember that “fundamentally transform” thing?
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Oh can it, Sinkwich.
You can’t muster any love for your country because of your simple minded radical right ideology.
You are a squishy patriot daming your country to the grave.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
December 11th, 2012
9:47 am
The GOP has been exposed for the crooks they have always been.They would prefer to destroy the economy before raising taxes on the rich that have finaced their campaigns..
the cat
December 11th, 2012
9:48 am
In trying to get a traffic report yesterday I was forced to listen to Sean Hannity. He is not trying to rewrite his own personal life history by talking about when he was in college, Reagan, etc.
Uh Sean-you are a college DROP OUT!
Joe Hussein Mama
December 11th, 2012
9:48 am
Boy, it just burns their behinds that Barack Obama, a man that none of them have any respect for, took their candidate *and* their party to the woodshed in November, doesn’t it?
America heard you just fine, cons. America heard what you were offering and what you had to say, and America said “no thanks.”
Now grow up and deal with it. You might draw inspiration from how you handled it the first time your parents refused to let you borrow the car on a Saturday night when you were in high school. I doubt your temper tantrums worked any better then than they will now.
the cat
December 11th, 2012
9:48 am
sorry-NOW trying
Stevie Ray
December 11th, 2012
9:48 am
Mr Right
December 11th, 2012
9:39 am
You won’t get a response to any of the failed 2009 guarantees he not only failed to deliver..he didn’t even try on most..you will however get the obligatory “it was Bushs’ fault..” No new talking points there.
Mr Right
December 11th, 2012
9:48 am
the first thing he did upon reelection was to call the GOP leadership! know what they did? SAID THEY WERE EFFING ASLEEP RATHER THAN TAKE HIS CALL
And why would they take his call ? He is so partisan he will not compromise (se Obamacare) period..
Georgia
December 11th, 2012
9:48 am
Michigan’s right to work law will make a scab out of some new hires. Imagine the bitter rancor in the day to day employee interaction.
MikeB
December 11th, 2012
9:49 am
@ Donovan.. Well stated. One of the best posts of the year!Hope others are intelligent enough to consider your perspective
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:49 am
“He is not trying to rewrite his own personal life history by talking about when he was in college”
it was the longest 6 months of his liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife
RB from Gwinnett
December 11th, 2012
9:49 am
Just one more in a long line if jays “republicans are evil if they don’t agree to everything Obama wants” mantra….
Tired, irresponsible, and stupid…
TaxPayer
December 11th, 2012
9:50 am
A little common sense shows my 8:46 post is spot on.
Stevie Ray
December 11th, 2012
9:51 am
Welcome to the Occupation
December 11th, 2012
9:37 am
Hmm….i guess we should simply toss fiscal focus out the door? I do think we are forever beyond balanced budget any how…this president is not going to cut spending…no matter what he agrees to…he wants us all to know it’s ok….taxpayers are getting a bargain as we only have to pay 60 cents for 100 cents of government..
Welcome to the Occupation
December 11th, 2012
9:52 am
MikeB: “@ Donovan.. Well stated. One of the best posts of the year!Hope others are intelligent enough to consider your perspective”
You kiddin me? Donovan has his head about ten feet down a sand hole.
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:52 am
In trying to get a traffic report yesterday I was forced to listen to Sean Hannity.
psst. stop torturing yourself. There is All News 106.7 for those purposes available to you now. No need to tune in to right wing extremism for traffic updates via terrestrial radio in Atlanta metro.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:52 am
“And why would they take his call ? ”
oh, I dunno.
maybe because he’s PRESIDENT and they owe him a modicum of respect.
TaxPayer
December 11th, 2012
9:53 am
Poor Republicans being confronted with their payment past due statements.
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:53 am
and Jay, sorry about the plug @ 9.52 for a direct competitor to your employer’s cash cow, but a guy’s gotta do what a guy’s gotta do.
Brosephus™
December 11th, 2012
9:54 am
Welcome
Donovan’s perspective rings crystal clear for those on the far right. That groupthink issue kinda messes them up because they expect everybody else to think like them.
Aquagirl
December 11th, 2012
9:54 am
Donovan has his head about ten feet down a sand hole.
Sand hole? Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
F. Sinkwich
December 11th, 2012
9:54 am
“You are a squishy patriot daming your country to the grave.”
Refusing to cave into O’bozo’s brand of euro-socialist Marxism makes me a solid patriot, Granny.
People who do are not, squishy or otherwise.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 11th, 2012
9:54 am
MikeB — “@ Donovan.. Well stated. One of the best posts of the year!Hope others are intelligent enough to consider your perspective”
Perhaps I would, if I lived in Opposite Land. (laughing)
As it stands, Donny’s one of the most bizarrely under- and mis-informed posters on here. It’s only the fact that his posts are usually grammatically correct that he escapes the kind of scorn that some of the conservative Mothership Escapees here receive.
the cat
December 11th, 2012
9:54 am
stands-thanks! Haven’t heard of that station.
WSB is a parody of itself now.
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:55 am
Tired, irresponsible
There’s nothing responsible in going along with spending cuts that’d send our economy into a tailspin.
Brosephus™
December 11th, 2012
9:55 am
USinner
I left you a double dose @ 9:35 this morning.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:55 am
shorter Donovan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HluUIly_r08
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:56 am
oops. I forgot, @ 9.55–the Goopers don’t have any actual spending cuts to propose, do they? They just rail against how we have to rape Teh Poorz, without actually saying how it’s to be done, last I checked.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 11th, 2012
9:57 am
F. Sinkiewicz — “Refusing to cave into O’bozo’s brand of euro-socialist Marxism makes me a solid patriot, Granny.”
Fishy, you wouldn’t know socialism if you moved in next door to Bernie Sanders. And I’m pretty sure you’d burst into flames if you ever read Marx, so I doubt you know much about that, either.
Labeling people and things is easy. Actually *defending* your personal truckload of intellectual manure is quite another.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
9:58 am
Brocephus – ” Oh My Freakin’ God!!!!! Such a bunch of whiney badonkadonk toboggans…”
you are a god.
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:59 am
Haven’t heard of that station.
Yeah, I hope they stay afloat. I’ve been tuning in the past few months, pleasantly surprised. They really don’t seem to have any political ax to grind; they remind me of the all-news stations I’d heard in the NYC metro area some years back.
You hear national news stories from the usual national outlets (including ABC news and Fox), but they do have a staff of local reporters out there, too.
Stevie Ray
December 11th, 2012
9:59 am
Georgia
December 11th, 2012
9:48 am
Hmmmmm so it’s only the ransom they pay that keeps the relationship thriving? Unions have far outlived usefulness…are dying out…let them go..
Granny Godzilla
December 11th, 2012
10:00 am
F. Sinkwich
December 11th, 2012
9:54 am
“You are a squishy patriot daming your country to the grave.”
Refusing to cave into O’bozo’s brand of euro-socialist Marxism makes me a solid patriot, Granny.
People who do are not, squishy or otherwise
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Balderdash…Sinkwich, you wouldn’t know “euro-socialist Marxism” if it bit your backside.
You are little more than a vichy collaberator.
Brosephus™
December 11th, 2012
10:00 am
USinner @ 9:55
You know that vid came to mind soon as I started reading Donovan’s post…
oops
December 11th, 2012
10:00 am
where is Jay’s fainting couch?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 11th, 2012
10:00 am
“You are little more than a vichy collaberator.”
eeeeeeeyouch.
that’s gonna leave a mark.
Stevie Ray
December 11th, 2012
10:01 am
Joe Hussein Mama
December 11th, 2012
9:57 am
What is intellectual about manure?
Brosephus™
December 11th, 2012
10:02 am
USinner
Also threw Tommy Lee Jones in that one for you.
Mr Right
December 11th, 2012
10:02 am
maybe because he’s PRESIDENT and they owe him a modicum of respect.
Respect is a two way street,yea, he is our president but they were also elected by the people as he was. By the way, ya’ll got your britches jacked up over Romneys 47% remark then turn around and say because Obama won the 47% that voted against him don’t matter! Oh well, I guess it’s called revenge!
josef
December 11th, 2012
10:02 am
Granny
I was thinking more a Quisling, myself…
Stevie Ray
December 11th, 2012
10:04 am
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2012
9:52 am
Get Sirius for 19 bucks a month…you can select from glee to anger..America Left, America Right, MSNBC, Fox, Potus (actually a great listen)…I’ve heard everything Fox has to say but America Left has a couple shows that are fun and fun to call in…Alex Bennett