GOP leading a crusade with very few followers

Poll after poll is reporting the same basic finding: the American people are worried about the deficit, but they do not support cutting Medicare or Medicaid, nor do they back raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67.

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The latest survey to confirm that finding comes from McClatchy/Marist. As you can see, the voters in the chart above oppose cutting Medicare by a 42-point margin and oppose Medicaid cuts by a similar margin. By an almost 2-1 margin, they also say it is more important to compromise than to stand on principle.

But here’s the twist: The numbers in the chart above are all from voters who self-identified as Republicans. There’s not an independent or Democrat among ‘em. And overall, the level of support or opposition among GOP voters is not that different from voters in general. On the issue of Medicare cuts, for example, just 26 percent of Republican voters support the idea, compared to 23 percent of voters in general.

So again, if Republicans in Washington want to march off the fiscal cliff for the cause of slashing entitlements, and more importantly, if they want to push the country into default by refusing to raise the debt ceiling unless entitlements are slashed, they may turn around and discover that the little parade that they’re trying to lead has very few followers.

– Jay Bookman

(h/t Steve Benen)

487 comments Add your comment

getalife

December 11th, 2012
4:40 pm

Scorched earth ideology causes depressions.

See the EU for proof.

Butch Cassidy (I)

December 11th, 2012
4:43 pm

Did you include the party faithful here on your blog? That should give the GOP at least 10 more followers for the parade.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

December 11th, 2012
4:43 pm

JAY

Can you say duh? I thought I was master of the obvious…why would anyone want cuts? The real question is, how many of those identified as GOP have a clue and are tuned into the real issues?

Good, we should give your idol everything he asks for…or nothing at all. I’d prefer the former so you blind left sheep will actually have meaningful metrics to live up to..that thougth must be scary..

You have proven something in many of your recent posts that we all know, the GOP is a mess…but this one is particularly weak…can you direct me to the precise questions that were used in this poll?

Erwin's cat

December 11th, 2012
4:44 pm

the right thing is not always the popular thing..

get – congrats on the new pony :)

ATL Tiger

December 11th, 2012
4:44 pm

The ‘fiscal cliff’ is the right path to go down. We get both tax increases as well as spending cuts.

Jay

December 11th, 2012
4:47 pm

Follow the link, Stevie Ray.

DownInAlbany

December 11th, 2012
4:47 pm

President Obama claims we need a “balanced approach” to solve our nation’s budget mess, but it’s hard to get there when he keeps taking spending cuts off the table. Late yesterday, the White House announced that it no longer supported cutting Medicaid by $100 billion over the next ten years. It was a spending cut Obama had offered earlier in deficit negotiations.

I guess he saw the poll.

getalife

December 11th, 2012
4:47 pm

“The numbers in the chart above are all from voters who self-identified as Republicans.”

That is amazing.

I don’t want no stinking pony.

I want to go to the Pink Pony :)

Cutty

December 11th, 2012
4:48 pm

So the ‘real freeloaders’ finally stood up and announced themselves.

Aquagirl

December 11th, 2012
4:49 pm

how many of those identified as GOP have a clue and are tuned into the real issues?

If they don’t agree with Stevie Ray they’re clueless and not tuned in. Of course.
Next up: the questions were loaded. After that: no True Republicans were included in this poll.

That should get Stevie Ray through a couple of hours of hollering.

Erwin's cat

December 11th, 2012
4:49 pm

Tiger – I’d prefer not to send an additional $12k of my “fair share” to the govt because someone wants to make a political point

Get Real

December 11th, 2012
4:50 pm

Not sure of your point Jay, maintaining current spending levels will have this country in default in the very near future, to believe otherwise is blatant stupidity. ..is that what you are supporting????

DownInAlbany

December 11th, 2012
4:51 pm

74% also oppose tax increase for everyone (page 13). No cuts, no tax increase. Looks like we have a statemate?

larry

December 11th, 2012
4:52 pm

The real question is, how many of those identified as GOP have a clue and are tuned into the real issues?

Why did they vote GOP if they knew that they were wanting to cut Medicaid and Medicare? Didn’t they know that the Ryan budget was adopted by the Romney campaign.

Bumfuzzelzes the crap out of me.

skipper

December 11th, 2012
4:53 pm

Jay,
What? I agree with you on something? (Besides your choice of music, which by and large is great!)
I do not want the Medicare age raised to 67..period! I worked hard for years, and feel as this is something earned, not given. I have been pumping into the system since I was a kid, and while some programs that are under or non-performing do need to go, some are a lifeline. Keep it at 65………..I ain’t there, but I do not have as far to go as I have been….by a long shot!

ATL Tiger

December 11th, 2012
4:55 pm

“Tiger – I’d prefer not to send an additional $12k of my “fair share” to the govt because someone wants to make a political point”

I’d too not prefer to send any additional funds to the govt, but the reality of the situation is that we have +$1trillion budget deficit and +$16trillion in debt. We all enjoy the freedoms and liberties of being Americans, and we all must also bare the responsibilities and obligations that come with that great honor.

Darwin

December 11th, 2012
4:55 pm

Oh gosh, numerous surveys show that voters who want smaller government are against cutting all popular social programs as well as defense. These people want less government but have no idea where the government spending comes from. Waste Fraud Abuse? That’s always a good one. Most of these people are simply against welfare and food stamps. If we eliminated those programs, they could care less about government spending. Sorry – but it’s true.

larry

December 11th, 2012
4:56 pm

I know, i know, voting againist your best interest. Glad to see its not just a southern thing.

td

December 11th, 2012
4:57 pm

This poll shows me that the majority of the American population has either been brainwashed by the libs and their propaganda machine (Main stream Media), do not understand the basic fundamentals of the economy or are just plain dumb.

We can not continue to borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend and we can not tax our way to prosperity.

There is going to be a major rude awakening in the next few years in this country.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

December 11th, 2012
4:58 pm

Hmmmm…60% no college, 68% over 45…..why is everyone pre-occupied with blame? They are both to blame…why is this a big issue other than a ruse president trillions will use to keep from any responsibility whatsoever for anything negative…he’s a joke in that fashion..

Do you really take this as evidence of anything? I guess your are suggesting that we should not cut any entitlement programs despite the question not posed…”do you think there is waste in the application of Medicare, Medicaid, and SS?

The one about counting the already known savings to wind down wars is humorous…..stupid question really…we all know BO and his pals really don’t want to cut anything if possible..despite follies to the contrary….Give your idol everything he wants…..does that scare you? Having real measures of success in terms of borrowing, deficits, and debt accumulation?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

December 11th, 2012
5:00 pm

skipper

December 11th, 2012
4:53 pm

At what cost are you willing to keep age where it is? You do realize where the difference will be made up..don’t you. What sacrifices are you willing to make to arrest the ugly fiscal trends?

Banner123

December 11th, 2012
5:01 pm

Jay,

Although i disagree with you on about everything you say. I agree that we (as a people) can’t have it both ways (i.e. make cuts but not to my program mentality). I also agree it needs to be balanced and that we need to compromise. Here is what I propose.

1. Prove you can cut spending FIRST. 5% cuts across the board on ALL (including entitlement spendings).

2. After you have proved you can cut speding for a year. Let the top and bottom rates go back to the Clinton Era tax rates. This will get the 2% democrats want and will also broadent the tax base.

I think a lot of people are like me. PROVE to me you can cut spending and then raise the taxes.

Jay, if you were king for a day. what would you do?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 11th, 2012
5:01 pm

This poll shows me that the majority of the American population has either been brainwashed by the libs and their propaganda machine (Main stream Media), do not understand the basic fundamentals of the economy or are just plain dumb.

Musta missed this part: But here’s the twist: The numbers in the chart above are all from voters who self-identified as Republicans.

Reading is fun-da-mental.

Erwin's cat

December 11th, 2012
5:02 pm

Tiger –
Agree, if I thought it would be used responsibly and actually address the debt and deficit issues, I wouldn’t mind so much….

do you know how much more your taxes will increase if we go over the cliff?

Tman

December 11th, 2012
5:04 pm

Refusing to raise the debt ceiling is not what got us this close to default. Spending more than we can afford is what did.

indigo

December 11th, 2012
5:05 pm

Big Business is telling their puppets what to think on this and every issue. Under NO circumstances do they want their huge salaries and golden parachutes affected. Reducing Medicare and Medicade is one way to keep the top 2% from paying a fair share tax. It’s clear the sociopaths on Wall Street will glady see the middle-class and poor suffer as long as they can enjoy continuing to enrich their personal estates.

Aquagirl

December 11th, 2012
5:06 pm

Musta missed this part: But here’s the twist: The numbers in the chart above are all from voters who self-identified as Republicans.

Oh, but those people aren’t REAL Republicans. Real Republicans always agree with the individual Republican poster on this blog, whoever that may be at the moment.

getalife

December 11th, 2012
5:07 pm

No wonder the speaker will not list his cuts.

Nero

December 11th, 2012
5:08 pm

There will be no deal because all Obama and the Dems want is tax increases with no spending cuts. It’s not balanced and won’t do anything except satisfy heir base craving for more revenue to spend, as well as just kick the problem further down the road. Going over the Cliff looks better and better as each day passes. Maybe instead of going to Michigan and kissing the ring of the unions, Obama should be focusing trying to cut a deal. But it will never happen. Spread the pain and be done with it. The country will adapt and be in better shape in the long term

JP

December 11th, 2012
5:08 pm

Here’s a little common sense, guys. If the government brings in about $2.2 trillion in tax revenue a year, then that is a maximum amount it SHOULD be spending (actually it should be spending less than that amount in order to pay for emergency expenditures…and create a surplus, a savings even). This is how adults are expected to budget their households…you spend less than you make! Nothing complicated about that. Why are we holding the government to a different standard? The government HAS to stop spending more money than is being taken in. It would be insanity if I spent three times my salary, and didn’t expect to go bankrupt. Omerika will eventually be forced to bite the bullet and make cuts across the board, even to precious entitlements.

emo

December 11th, 2012
5:10 pm

If the republicans who want to cut Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security would just renounce them and no longer take that dirty Federal money, the budget would be balanced in a minute.

Erwin's cat

December 11th, 2012
5:10 pm

indigo – Big Business is telling their puppets what to think on this and every issue.

your Kool-Aid is better that their Kool-Aid eh?

Babatunde

December 11th, 2012
5:11 pm

Medicare and Social Security eligibility ages should be routinely, incrementally increasing over time – not because of the latest budget panic but because of the reality that people are healthier and are working and living longer (a lady over here in my neck of the woods recently died @116).

fedup

December 11th, 2012
5:11 pm

Rich folks taxes should go to cover the budget. They had their tax cuts and the budget shortfall was covered by borrowing from SS and who knows what. I want my money back from the rich folks.

saywhat?

December 11th, 2012
5:11 pm

Since according to Stevie Ray, none of these voters “identified as GOP have a clue” or “are tuned into the real issues” (the same thing Democrats have been saying for years, by the way), lets just put the progressive caucus’s 2012 budget plan up for serious consideration, with non-stop super PAC marketing, but name it “The Fox News Real Conservative Plan for America”. We’ll get bipartisan support, a more balanced budget, and following the will of the people, it won’t be done at the expense of the old, the sick, the poor, and children.

larry

December 11th, 2012
5:11 pm

Let’s see , we pay seprately for Medicare/Social Security and we also pay a federal income tax.

But the only thing i hear from the right is cutting entitlement programs that we pay seprately for.

Let’s try cutting programs that our federal income TAX funds first, like that bloaded pentagon budget.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 11th, 2012
5:11 pm

This is how adults are expected to budget their households…

Adults aren’t childish enough to compare a household budget to the national budget.

Nothing complicated about that.

Mr Right

December 11th, 2012
5:12 pm

Just checking in to see what it is about the GOP Jay is bashing now and yep, here it is, right on time!

indigo

December 11th, 2012
5:13 pm

Erwin’s cat – 5:10

I know you think that’s humorous but I’ve heard funnier things than that in a room full of pregnant nuns.

Nero

December 11th, 2012
5:13 pm

There will be no spending cuts because the Dems don’t have the votes to pass them, thus no deal. The spineless Republicans will cave on the tax increases but any deal will be scuttled when Dems balk at but vague and future spending cuts. Sequestration is coming. Prepare yourselves.

skipper

December 11th, 2012
5:13 pm

@Stevie Ray,
Aid to idiots like Pakistan, etc. would be a start! We have way too much foreign aid, especially to some places where strategically it is not impportant to us at all. Much of that is a start……we don’t need to send money to a terrorist nasty group of folks so we can use their country as a springboard. Either bust’em or leave them alone. The money could be spent better over here……..google up all the places we send aid to, especially those who hate us. Many of them will never like us no matter what we do.

Erwin's cat

December 11th, 2012
5:14 pm

fedup – They had their tax cuts and the budget shortfall was covered by borrowing from SS and who knows what.

you had your tax cuts too

Jay

December 11th, 2012
5:15 pm

If I were king, Banner?

I would do a variety of things. On taxes, I would raise high-income taxes immediately, and over a six-year period gradually raise taxes for the rest of us back to Clinton-era levels.

I would give the government the power to negotiate drug prices and allow the importation of drugs from overseas, to cut costs. I would means test Medicare to a degree, putting higher copays on those able to afford it. I would raise the income cap on Social Security payroll taxes and adopt the chained inflation index to slow the increase in benefits for upper-end recipients.

I would cut defense.

I would significantly lower Medicare reimbursements to physicians and hospitals; physician income in this country is significantly higher than in the rest of the industrialized world.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/how-much-do-doctors-in-other-countries-make/

To compensate the med community and avoid a doc shortage, I’d greatly increase public support for med-school tuition, to lower barriers of entry and to ensure that they don’t graduate with such huge loans to repay. That’s some stuff off the top of my head.

Oh, and if I were king? I’d arrange to get Sofia Vergara’s phone number.

getalife

December 11th, 2012
5:15 pm

“‘gop sends a new counter offer to our President’s proposal.” cnn.

Horrible reporting with no details.

Man, cnn has gone down the drain.

Ken

December 11th, 2012
5:16 pm

Democrats ball now. Home run or same old strike out.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 11th, 2012
5:16 pm

Oh, and if I were king? I’d arrange to get Sofia Vergara’s phone number.

Heh, heh, heh.

Erwin's cat

December 11th, 2012
5:17 pm

indigo
unfortunately no i don’t think it’s funny….i think it’s ironic that you criticize puppets

Meanwhile....

December 11th, 2012
5:17 pm

Obama Told Woodward That The Democrat Position On Medicare Was “Untenable”: “But I Also Told Them It’s An Untenable Position To Say, We’re Not Going To Do Anything On Medicare And Medicaid When That’s One Of The Biggest Drivers Of Our Budget Deficit.”

http://rncresearch.tumblr.com/post/32802821860/woodward-obama-demagogues-medicare-publicly-while

JamVet

December 11th, 2012
5:17 pm

Republicans seem very confused these days…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ogpxaaQ9o0

getalife

December 11th, 2012
5:18 pm

“I’d arrange to get Sofia Vergara’s phone number.”

I hope your wife does not read this blog.

You pulled a Bruno and his better half did read the blog.

Fly-On-The-Wall

December 11th, 2012
5:18 pm

I see both sides of the issue but I believe that just plain cutting the so-called entitlements isn’t the first step to take. Return the tax rates for the top 2% to the Clinton era levels. Wait 6 months to a year to see the revenue stream while working out entitlement reform via savings and not just cuts. It can done – companies do this all the time.

It is easy to call for cuts but it takes real leadership to do the hard work.

Jay

December 11th, 2012
5:20 pm

Mrs. B has an excellent sense of humor, getalife, as 32 years of marriage has demonstrated.

saywhat?

December 11th, 2012
5:21 pm

“getalife

December 11th, 2012
5:18 pm
“I’d arrange to get Sofia Vergara’s phone number.”

I hope your wife does not read this blog.
————————————————
He meant to write “…. so my wife could call her and talk about cooking, world travel, and lady stuff”.

Mr Right

December 11th, 2012
5:21 pm

Wasn’t that the Dems that cut a humous amount out of Medicade or Medicare or whatever without a single Republican vote! Come on Jay blast them for that!

Ben Shockley

December 11th, 2012
5:21 pm

“GOP leading a crusade with very few followers”

Well, very few except for the 48% of the national electorate who voted for Romney, anyway.

Jjay, the constant drumbeat from you and the rest of the liberal Debbie Wasserman Schultz pawns that republicans/Conservatives are a fringe extremist minority is not only wrong and ridiculous, it is quite frankly getting pretty boring as well.

josef

December 11th, 2012
5:22 pm

LE ROI
@ 5:15

Why not just say, I’d nationalize the health care industry and be done with it?

Georgia

December 11th, 2012
5:23 pm

Greenspan on Closing Bell, “I’ve never seen anything like this”. (Red and Blue don’t talk after hours anymore like in the old days cause there no overlapping fundamental beliefs or interests). He thinks there’ll be a deal, but hard won. Boehner has little control over caucus members who think they have a mandate cause their election victory margins were better than the presidents. He said there’s never been such a spread between thirty year treasury yield and five year treasury notes, which will keep unemployment high, (long term uncertainty about certain asset class investments). Thinks housing has bottomed. but warns about how volitility index gets too low and nobody sees disruption coming.

Ding dong the wicked witch...

December 11th, 2012
5:23 pm

Michigan lawmakers pass bills weakening union power

Jay

December 11th, 2012
5:23 pm

In other words, Ben, you have no rational response to the information presented here, so you sulk.

Ben Shockley

December 11th, 2012
5:23 pm

” I would raise the income cap on Social Security payroll taxes and adopt the chained inflation index to slow the increase in benefits for upper-end recipients.”

Jay would make Social Security just another income transfer/welfare program, in other words….

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 11th, 2012
5:24 pm

fedup

December 11th, 2012
5:24 pm

Erwin: Not as mch as the rich folks. Take a look at theirtax forms and their numerous deductions. It will blow your mind.

Lanteesha

December 11th, 2012
5:25 pm

“I would means test Medicare to a degree, putting higher copays on those able to afford it.”

Medicare is already means tested. The base monthly Part B premium in 2013 is $105; depending on income it goes up to $260.

JamVet

December 11th, 2012
5:26 pm

Ben Shockley

December 11th, 2012
5:26 pm

“In other words, Ben, you have no rational response to the information presented here, so you sulk.”

Present some rational opinions, and you might be surprised at how rational the responses become.

By the way, you consider your lib regulars to be rational, i.e. getalife, JamVet, Kamchak, etc?

LOL

Joe Hussein Mama

December 11th, 2012
5:27 pm

Jay — “Oh, and if I were king? I’d arrange to get Sofia Vergara’s phone number.”

Do you say you will fight me for her, then? (thumps chest) :D

getalife

December 11th, 2012
5:27 pm

Jay,

Mine was the jealous type.

“Boehner spokesman Michael Steel provided a brief statement:

“We sent the White House a counter-offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more American jobs. As the Speaker said today, we’re still waiting for the White House to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the ‘balanced approach’ he promised the American people. The longer the White House slow-walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff.”

Then:

“Earlier on Tuesday, White House press secretary Jay Carney rebutted Boehner’s charge that the president had yet to offer specifics.

“The President, unlike any other party to these negotiations, has put forward detailed spending cuts as well as detailed revenue proposals. It is a simple fact,” Carney told reporters, subsequently holding up a copy of Obama’s 2011 budget plan.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/fiscal-cliff-offer-plan-obama-boehner-taxes-increase-spending-cuts-republicans-2012-12#ixzz2EmjJV5Z4

The speaker is lying as usual.

They BOTH suck

December 11th, 2012
5:28 pm

” it is quite frankly getting pretty boring as well.”

Yet you can’t help yourself from reading Jay’s articles and posting on the blog.

:-)

getalife

December 11th, 2012
5:29 pm

ben,

I am a proud Independent.

josef

December 11th, 2012
5:29 pm

K’CHAK

@ 5:24

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

They BOTH suck

December 11th, 2012
5:30 pm

and sulk and sulk…………………..

Same ole Ben

Keep up the great work Ben.

Mr Right

December 11th, 2012
5:30 pm

So again, if Republicans in Washington want to march off the fiscal cliff for the cause of slashing entitlements, and more importantly, if they want to push the country into default by refusing to raise the debt ceiling unless entitlements are slashed, they may turn around and discover that the little parade that they’re trying to lead has very few followers.

So if we go off the cliff it’s the Republicans fault and hte Dems bear no responsiblity?

Mr Right

December 11th, 2012
5:32 pm

Carney told reporters, subsequently holding up a copy of Obama’s 2011 budget plan

Would that be the one that didn’t get a single vote, period.

Soothsayer

December 11th, 2012
5:33 pm

Well, since we spend over 50% of every non-social security and non-medicare tax dollar on the military/security complex, gosh, I just cain’t imagine where we ought to make them cuts! Can you?

Ben, you little worm! You avoided me downstairs, but I’ve got your number. Remain at your peril. HERE I COME!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 11th, 2012
5:33 pm

josef

I figured the song was appropriate given that Jay was trying to get a woman. (And what a woman, yowzah!)

TaxPayer

December 11th, 2012
5:34 pm

I cannot image the party of old white folks cutting their throats just so the Republican politician’s money men get their tax cuts either. I’m just glad that I don’t have enough wage income to get stuck with an extra 12k in taxes myself.

Ben Shockley

December 11th, 2012
5:35 pm

“Ben, you little worm! You avoided me downstairs, but I’ve got your number. Remain at your peril. HERE I COME!”

A few points;

1) Worm? Really? my 10-yr-old might be imoressed with name calling. But I doubt it.
2) Wasn’t avoiding you. Was working. Give it a try.
3) Peril? LMAO

Ben Shockley

December 11th, 2012
5:36 pm

“I’m just glad that I don’t have enough wage income to get stuck with an extra 12k in taxes myself.”

Heaven forbid that a liberal should ever have to work for their money.

josef

December 11th, 2012
5:36 pm

Enter your comments here

indigo

December 11th, 2012
5:36 pm

Erwin’s cat – 5:17

And you think it’s ironic I criticize puppets because?

Soothsayer

December 11th, 2012
5:37 pm

Oh, wait! I forgot! Them Military and Security complex people own our government and own our House of Representatives and own our Senate and own our President! I guess there’s no way we’re gonna be making any cuts there, now is there?

Ben Shockley

December 11th, 2012
5:37 pm

OK libbies, I’m heading on home to the Shockley Plantation. You guys can stay here and keep stroking Jay’s ego.

josef

December 11th, 2012
5:37 pm

Cat fight, cat fight!

Jay

December 11th, 2012
5:38 pm

no, JHM. Remember, in this scenario I am king.

As king, I would designate someone to handle that task for me. I’m thinking Ronda Rousey could dispatch you quickly, one way or another.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=988&bih=529&q=ronda+rousey&gbv=2&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=bi&ei=drXHUOWkHcHN2QW5yIDoAw

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 11th, 2012
5:38 pm

I’ve never been imoressed.

Is that something that hookers charge extra for?

JamVet

December 11th, 2012
5:39 pm

Alright, brother Kam; playing the sweet Todd Rundgren.

Benji has delusions of relevance.

I just checked out this Ms. Vergara. And right out of Monty Python, she has huge…………….. tracts of land.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxHO3AFIug

Nero

December 11th, 2012
5:42 pm

2011 budget…BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! There are no spending cuts. Sequestration is the better way.

TM

December 11th, 2012
5:42 pm

you take from the rich to pay for Obama care, you take from the rich to pay for the deficit, you make the rich pay more for medicare, you make the rich take less for social security. Just take all their money. What exactly do the poor folks pay for??

TaxPayer

December 11th, 2012
5:42 pm

Republicans will once again grow accustomed to actually paying their way instead of charging it and then trying to claim that the bill is someone else’s to pay. They just need the responsible party–the Democrats–to hold their hand and show them the way.

TaxPayer

December 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

Heaven forbid that a liberal should ever have to work for their money.

I pay others to do the menial tasks. Dang! That makes me a job creator!

josef

December 11th, 2012
5:45 pm

TM

“What exactly do the poor folks pay for??”

Right you are…let’s eat them… :-)

Soothsayer

December 11th, 2012
5:45 pm

Lord! Shuckley exits stage right and Dave R enters stage left!

Man! I’m glad you’re here Dave! I’m in a perfectly shyte-kicking mood tonight!

You’re it!

Thulsa Doom

December 11th, 2012
5:45 pm

Well this is sad. I find myself generally in agreement with most of Jay’s 5:15 post on what he would. I could get my con card revoked for that.

Thulsa Doom

December 11th, 2012
5:47 pm

“Right you are…let’s eat them…”

Mr. Swift says the Irish ones are tastier. I got dibs on the O-shaunnessy clan.

Donovan

December 11th, 2012
5:47 pm

Hey, Jay…I thought that the election was over. Oh, I get it!

You guys did such a good job of suckering the “middle class” into not wanting to give up anything that it puts Obama into a tight corner of not offering anything for something.

Now it is time to campaign for letting the wealthy carry the load for you sad sacks and not offer any form of contribution on your part. Do we have a problem with you reprehensible liberals? You’re damn right we do.

Do I feel the need to remind you do your low character participation in this political struggle? Hell yes!

Christian Conservative

December 11th, 2012
5:48 pm

Its seems Bookman you don’t realize compromise works both ways. Look at the ridiculous fairy tale Obama proposed. Even the dems in Congress laughed at it and won’t put it up for a vote in the Senate…..

TaxPayer

December 11th, 2012
5:48 pm

you take from the rich to pay for Obama care, you take from the rich to pay for the deficit, you make the rich pay more for medicare, you make the rich take less for social security. Just take all their money. What exactly do the poor folks pay for??

Well once they give all that you claim they give, they’ll be poor and then they can get enough of their money back to subsist on, like all the rest of the poor folks. :roll:

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 11th, 2012
5:49 pm

…and not offer any form of contribution on your part.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

TM

December 11th, 2012
5:51 pm

If you look at Jay.s post as king all he does is screw the rich, hammer the doctors and kill defense. He does nothing to stop spending on his causes because he doesn’t believe in shared sacrifice.

josef

December 11th, 2012
5:51 pm

DONOVAN

Quick question…where do the wealthy get their money from?