How John Boehner came to love the word ‘compromise’

Oh the irony is rich with this…..

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The Newtster on MTP? Big Bird wasn’t available? This guy’s yesterday’s news. Bankrupt, but still belligerent (sp?).

Good points on compromise tho’. The Republicans have backed themselves in a corner on the Titanic.

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Newt who?

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“Correct me if I’m wrong — some will try to correct me though I’m right — but didn’t the Republicans start this all-out, scorched-earth permanent war thing? Wasn’t this whole thing their idea in the first place?

And now they beg for compromise?”

yes.

that’s how they play the game.

“do it our way” IS their idea of compromise.

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I do hope the President will compromise with the ‘hostage takers’……

In February, after the automatic adjustments to tax rates and military spending have occurred, and the ‘hostages’ have automatically been released!

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United States federal government shutdown of 1995 and 1996

During the crisis, Gingrich made a complaint at a press breakfast that, during a flight to and from Yitzhak Rabin’s funeral in Israel, Clinton had not taken the opportunity to talk about the budget and Gingrich had been directed to leave the plane via the rear door. The perception arose that the Republican stance on the budget was partly due to this “snub” by Clinton,[9] and media coverage reflected this perception, including an editorial cartoon which depicted Gingrich as an infant throwing a temper tantrum.[10] Opposing politicians used this opportunity to attack Gingrich’s motives for the budget standoff.[11][12] Later, the polls suggested that the event damaged Gingrich politically[13] and he referred to his comments as the “single most avoidable mistake” as Speaker.[14]

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Well, it’s taken long enough. “The party of no” is being forced, inch by quivering inch, to admit that the American people have always been center-right on fiscal matters, center-left on social, with an emphasis on ‘center’. We the people simply will not tolerate being forced by politically-motivated obstructionism either too far left or right; we demand compromise from both sides to stay in the center. Republicans who prioritized denying Obama a second term over the good of the country must either bend or break away, as must the Democrats who want only tax increases, no spending cuts.

It may be painful for Boehner, and there are several politicians who have left themselves no where to go and thus may fade away, but it is a long-awaited relief for the people. .

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I am for a $5/blog federal tax and increasing the tax rate on the wealthiest 3.4576%.

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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/01/where-crybaby-gingrich-meme-came/47093/

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They thought they had it in the bag until Nov. 7th.

They acted like it. Hard to say what they thought.

(Still, what kind of candidate doesn’t bother to write a concession speech? that is kind of weird, although perhaps it was just superstition.)

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US – In baseball some switch hitters do well. Didn’t work for Romney. Went to the right side then couldn’t get back to the left in time.

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Richard Mourdock beat the savvy and experienced Richard Lugar in his reelection primary by saying things like “I certainly think bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view.” The far right voters of the primary liked that style of aggressive intolerance, but even in a conservative constituency the voters in the general election rejected it and elected a center-right Democrat. Americans want both sides reflected in government, and those who demand capitulation to one view are ultimately politically doomed.

Bottom line, I’m feeling Jeffersonian – I place far more faith in the great mass of the electorate than I do in the individuals they elect. It may take a while, but eventually the people will enforce their collective will on those who seek to rule rather than represent.

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BOTH sides are playing games.

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To get elected, you have to be in line with what the majority of voters will support and vote for
Staying on the permiters of majority opinion won’t get enough votes.

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“In baseball some switch hitters do well. Didn’t work for Romney.”

I think it works if you’re a centrist all along – but when you waffle from the left to the right, never really occupying the center at all, then you just appear spineless, not a centrist.

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DownInAlbany

December 10th, 2012
8:40 am

BOTH sides are playing games.
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Correct

Right is playing tiddly winks

Left is playing chess.

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USinUK,

Say it Agin!

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center right fiscal, center left social. Yep, that’s me.

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USinUK – 8:25

I’ve seen more mature behavior than that in a kindergarten class.

Pitiful, just pitiful.

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Gale I think that’s where you will find the majority of oters. You should have run.

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Shame on Congressman Boehner for trying to avoid the fiscal cliff.

Forward! lemmings…

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Indigo,

I like to call those “childish and immature Christian fundamentalists” on the right the true RINOs – Religious In Name Only

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Usink: if you didn’t believe in, you know, fact-based polling

The Conned only believe in what Fox tells them to believe in. Everything else is just lies perpetrated by the evil liberal media.

stands: Still, what kind of candidate doesn’t bother to write a concession speech?

The kind that grew up with everything given to him and he’s never been said NO to by anyone before. I’m thinking that Mitt may have to go through years or psychoanalysis in order to get over 2M+ people telling not only no, but HELL NO!

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Compromising principles is completely different than compromising during negotiations to reach a solution……but I guess you would need to have principles to understand this….

As long as you continue to pull things out of context or leave out key parts of the discussion, you will continue to be a partisan hack.

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When the argument is fiscal discipline vs. free stuff, free stuff wins every time.

When hypocrites continue to cling to a phony talking point like “free stuff”, they lose every time.

By all means, go tell it on the mountain.

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I don’t believe in the ‘free stuff’ or ‘hand outs’ line from the right. Both sides do this. This is normal in American politics and the only thing upsetting those on the right is that their ‘moochers’ aren’t getting the free stuff. Get over it.

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I think Shar was spot on with the “center” assessment. I find the ONLY reason politicians tilt right or left is for money. The fringes are ready to open their checkbook to anyone who agrees to champion their causes. The majority is actually in the middle and turned off by anyone who tilts too far to right or left.

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JKL2-”The party of handouts is winning again”
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Your graph is lovely. To some, like you, it shows that benefits need to go down. To others , like me, it shows that the median income needs to go up.

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You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

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“Your graph is lovely. To some, like you, it shows that benefits need to go down. To others , like me, it shows that the median income needs to go up.”

to me, it says the data is crap.

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I hope they don’t reach a deal and the government is forced
to make cuts…. only way to quit all this spending! Raise taxes
on everyone including the poor with Obamacare….

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Again, this is a confrontation that congressional Republicans have wanted for years. They plotted and strategized to create just this opportunity, never imagining that when the moment came, they would be the ones pleading for compromise and a bit of political mercy

And yet some will still fail to realize that they are fighting a losing battle like Japanese soliders in caves on an island after the war.

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JKL2 apparently has not seen the election results.

Obama Won,
GOP, Zero.

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usinuk- that’s laughable – the guy “blends” his data (always a red flag), then doesn’t tell us how he gets to that amount.

Source: Senate Budget Committee Ranking Member Jeff Sessions’ Republican staff calculations of data from CRS, the Census Bureau, and the Oxford Handbook of State and Local Government Finance.

Reading is fundamental. You might try it some time. Feel free to google away.

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The Republicans will do as the President desires or they will rue the day they didn’t.

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“How John Boehner came to love the word ‘compromise’ … ”

Jay:

Here’s your next thread.

How Barack Obama came to love the word “transparency”.

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I think Boehner would support something the Senate and President would approve. His problem is rounding up the votes to get it passed.
His job would drive almost anyone to drink.

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Speaking of welfare and unemployment and food stamps and such and the need to reduce them, how’s that Republican 2010 jobs campaign coming along. Any progress yet.

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The folks that think Medicare is free are in for a rude awakening at age 65.

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Jay: “Believe it or not, I think the folks with the strongest hand to play in this process may actually be Pelosi and House Democrats”

I hope you’re right.

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bu,,,bu…the Republicans are surging! Maybe today’s the day.

Never, ever compromise with a bully.

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saywhat?- Your graph is lovely. To some, like you, it shows that benefits need to go down. To others , like me, it shows that the median income needs to go up.

To fit into your george soros “new world order” the median household income is going to have to drop to $14.4k. You’re voting in the wrong direction if want to see that happen.

Nothing but rainbows and unicorns here in obamaland.

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Obama’s stand on raising taxes on those earning over 250k is shameless politics designed only to appease the left. It accomplishes essentially nothing in addressing our debt crises. Obama has shown his leadership incompetence once again by his failure to put the nations economic security ahead of politics.

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Real John

Please review your information on Erskine Bowles…..you are badly factually inaccurate…..

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We suck and deserve the decline we are headed for. Good luck, you will get no help from me if you need it,I’m done helping others.

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The problem is Boehner is powerless to do anything. The Senate won’t agree and the president won’t sign anything he puts out, but he is still going to take the blame for us going over the cliff.

I thought the GOP wanted massive spending cuts. That’s why they voted on that deal to get those spending cuts. I say let’em have those spending cuts. They wanted them. They own them.

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I’m not sure what JKL is trying to say. I see 168.00 a day as 7.00 per hour for 24 hours and 21.00 an hour for eight hours. A working wage for most. maybe if the GOP would work on a good jobs bill, then those on welfare would be off the “dole”…

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“Republicans won the House”
Actually what occured is they barely held on…..nothing was “won”.

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The President has Boehner’s family jewels in his hands and he
should squeeeze. He cannot lose because if we go over the cliff
and he proposes tax cuts for the middle class the Republicans
must agree or be against tax cuts. He can virtually destroy the
Republican Party by doing nothing.

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“Republicans won the House”
Actually what occured is they barely held on…..nothing was “won”

yes, only in GOP Bizarro-world is losing ground “winning”

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JKL2- “To fit into your george soros “new world order” the median household income is going to have to drop to $14.4k. You’re voting in the wrong direction if want to see that happen.”
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Ummmmm. What? Maybe in bushland that makes some sort of sense, or has anything to do with anything else, but what, I’m not sure.

The fact is I always see Republican commentary saying teachers make too much money, union members make too much money, etc, and they always compare it to average wages in the private sector, which have been stagnant for decades.

Why is the right wing solution the one which calls for the salaries of those doing o.k. to go down, and not the salaries of those struggling to go up? Which would be more beneficial to the country as a whole?

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Welcome to the Occupation…

“Occasionally there’s a post that’s so wrong-headed that it really takes you aback. Literally every single thing you said was the diametrical opposite of the truth.”

I could not have said it any better myself. Do you live in Seattle?? Been hit the wacky week a little to hard??

It’s not even worth my time to debate someone who is so misinformed.

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“More free wars. More free F-35s. More free Medicare Part D….”

Nope.
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Really? Republicans finally paid for all their free stuff? The 2 wars, tax cuts and Medicare Part D. When did this happen, and who paid for it?

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Jay – 8:59

So, I must use a rapier instead of a sledgehammer?

I can do that.

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“And it doesn’t get any better in the immediate future. Next on the agenda when Congress returns?

Immigration reform, with Democrats pressing for a path to citizenship and Republicans again split between those who recognize the political and moral necessity of such a step, and those who, like Boehner two years ago, still reject the word “compromise”.”

Mmmm. Wrong.

Next up: debt ceiling increase and either a continuing budget resolution or a real budget.

The Obama debtocracy is going to result in constant fiscal crisis for most of the foreseeable future, crowding out the ability to do much more. Though democrats may try immigration reform.

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Straitroad — “By your logic, Obama barely held on as well.”

Rejected.

Obama won reelection with more popular votes and a greater *percentage* of the popular vote than Bush received in either of his two elections.

Not only that, but no sitting Democratic legislator (House or Senate at the Federal level) who was up for re-election lost their seat. And if you add up all the votes cast for Congressmen nationwide, Democrats earned over a million votes more than Republicans did.

The only reason y’all still have the house is all the gerrymandered districts you carved out for yourselves, and that’ll be fixed soon enough.

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We suck and deserve the decline we are headed for. Good luck, you will get no help from me if you need it,I’m done helping others.

Our little county has over 900 children that the county dfacs is trying to make sure get something this holiday season. One child asked for a dress to wear to church. Far too many children are brought into this world and then just forgotten. Simply requiring all pregnancies to be carried to term is hardly a plan yet that is all we get from Republicans. The least some of you could do is teach the children having children about sex. Maybe throw in a little information on budgeting, etc., for good measure.

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WTT Occupation — “They said: FREE – STUDENT – LOANS. LOANS. FREE. ”

Guess he doesn’t know the difference between a student loan and a Pell Grant.

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oops

“The BUSH debtocracy is going to result in constant fiscal crisis for most of the foreseeable future”

Let’s get the facts straight shall we.

Especially when it’s all about personal responsibility for the GOP.

YOU BUIILT THAT.

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“See how bad things are for Republicans, the left now accounts for over 60% of the American public.”

The above is an example of left think. They truly believe that they now rule the country and Obama appears to believe it as well. This so called fiscal cliff is a mole hill compared to the looming mountain we could fall from if the deficit isn’t addressed. Taking a short fall off the fiscal cliff might be beneficial in the longer run because the public will see how this administration along with their fellow idiots in congress have nothing of substance to offer.

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Straitroad — “There’s no need to resort to name calling. I was simply pointing out that Obama received less support in 2012. That’s all.”

So Romney didn’t suck as badly as McCain did in 2008. Is that really the kind of think y’all want to hang your hat on?

VOTE ROMNEY — LESS SUCKAGE THAN LAST TIME

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“Next up: debt ceiling increase and either a continuing budget resolution or a real budget.”

So oops, how did Republicans manage to pay off the debt they caused? How are Republicans able to wash their hands of the debt mess? You folks made George W Bush disappear and are now trying the same magic on your debt.

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straight –

Obama received fewer votes and won fewer states. Does this mean that you are living in a Bizarro world?

omg … you’re honestly comparing a 1:1 presidential race vs. the house of representatives???

sweet jeebus … you guys can stretch like a yogi

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2% of the population is not Mandate and Obama is making a huge mistake: Obama will go down in history as the Herbert Hoover of the 2013 Great Depression. Fed gub’ments credit card has MAXED out and promised checks in the mail will be DENIED.

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Always dumbfounded by the whine that raising taxes will not “solve anything” But hey almost 1 Trilliion will only be a start.

Some are suggesting that taxes will go up on the top 2% but perhaps not to the full amount of the Clinton tax rates but that it will be combined with a cap on deductions (excluding charitable giving). Interesting suggestions.

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Joe Hussein Mama

December 10th, 2012
9:31 am

I’m not sure what you are referring to. I didn’t mention McCain or Romney. Both were bad candidates. Historically, presidents that are re-elected receive more support than they did during the first election. Obama received less. He benefited from sub-par opposition and ran a campaign that successfully utilized envy to convince one side that their problems are caused by the other side.

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Musing over the cliff again? Jay is holding readers hostage with sheer stylized speculation. The fiscal cliff. Of course there’ll be a deal. There’s always a deal. Don’t speculate. We’re all willing to wait for the announcement. And the details. But to torture us like this day after day…… I feel like I’m in a Stephanie Miller sketch where she can’t stop piling on and gloating with her obnoxious brand of humorous insights about the election. And why trend newt? He’s an unread herring. He is the ash heap of red history. And its down his skull that the American Eagle will puke the new demographic realities about the deal, the vote, and the future.

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We really shouldn’t laugh about the free loan thing since The Fiscally Responsible Friends of Nathan Deal just reached preliminary terms for a free loan to Arthur Blank.

We forgot…free loans DO exist in the Republican Reality.

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“Debt forgiven = free loan.”

ohsweetjeebus … are you REALLY that stupid or do you just play it on teevee??

if portions of your loan ARE forgiven, it is then considered as income and you’re taxed on it, so you don’t get money for free.

and, besides, those programs are FAR outnumbered by repayment programs.

so, no. your point is moot, numpty.

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It should be noted that Erskine Bowles, of Obama’s Bowles-Simpson commission stated that the larger part of the problem is spending, not the level of taxation.

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Hmm..let’s see, the Republican Party under the leadership of former president Bush, started two wars, and did not approve ANY funding. The Republican Party AND Bush approved a nonsensical tax rebate, and tax cut. The nonsense of ‘trickle down economics has not worked.’ So the solution from the right is to cut programs, let the 47% starve, so that they can continue to live off the fat of the land…
I say let the tax cuts expire…As Jay said, the Republicans started this mess 12 years ago…so deal with it. Boehner is in a no-win situation…except, he should “grow a pair” and figure out how to re-establish the Pary of Lincoln, by un-loading the Tea Party lunatics…In essence, he should be a loyal Republican and focus on fixing the party…because he isn’t going to win much in Congress.

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to OSG,
the libs started it years ago with policies that led to housing bubble

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“We forgot…free loans DO exist in the Republican Reality.”

They sure do. I sure would like to know where I can get one of those Chip Rogers/Tom Graves no collateral $2.1 million never-pay-it-back loans.

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Stands for decibels, The annual deficit has averaged about 1.25 trillion the last four years. Reversing the Bush tax cuts will generate 80 or 90 billion a year. Can you help me out with the math on this one ? I am all for raising the taxes on the rich, even more than the 3% the Bush tax cuts amounted to. But if we keep spending over a trillion more than what we take in, how will we ever get the debt under control ? As it is now, politicians are playing to the wealth envy that is prevelant in this country by saying the tax cuts got us into this position. Obama has proposed another stimulus plan even though we are constantly told that the other stimulus plans worked. And why does Obama say we need shared sacrifice yet only wants the top two percent to sacrifice ?

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Straitroad — “I’m not sure what you are referring to. I didn’t mention McCain or Romney.”

I’m not obliged to wait for you to mention something before I bring it up myself.

“Both were bad candidates.”

Indeed.

“Historically, presidents that are re-elected receive more support than they did during the first election.”

Not always.

“Obama received less.”

So? In the aggregate, Democrats blew Republicans out of the water in November.

“He benefited from sub-par opposition”

The best the Republicans had to offer (snicker)

“and ran a campaign that successfully utilized envy to convince one side that their problems are caused by the other side.”

What a pathetically ridiculous assertion.

If his campaign was so lacking, then Romney wasn’t just “sub-par,” as you say. He was absolute DOGSPIT as a candidate.

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“the libs started it years ago with policies that led to housing bubble”

Got proof?

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F. Sinkiewicz — “Debt forgiven = free loan.”

= reportable income, ergo NOT free.

“I accept your apology in advance.”

Never happen, Fishy. (laughing)

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Danny X – Do you really believe that this $16,000,000,000,000 + debt was created just by “W” and the Repubs during the time he was in office? Dems are just as responsible, if not more so, for this alarming debt than the Repubs – though they both share the blame. Just reminding you that Nanny Pelosi, Hairy Weed and Obama were in Congress while “W” was in office and they voted for every big spending expansion of the Fed Gub’ment Socialist programs. Every single one. They also voted to bail out the banks. Bet you my house against yours that the Fed debt won’t be ONE CENT lower when Obama leaves office than it was the day he started his second term. Politicians tell you what you want to hear to get your vote. This huge debt has been building up long before you were born. Unfunded wars, unfunded socialist programs, unfunded Fed gub’ment give aways overseas…….. the Social Security system is the largest Ponsi scheme in history. It did not start with “W” and won’t end with Obama. Politicians today are Party Loyalists 1st and USA loyalists 2nd. Their primary “job” is to get reelected and to rake in the cash.

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actually, even in the House, total Democratic votes outnumbered
Republican votes. Only by gerrymandering did the cons retain
the house by 20+ seats.

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““the libs started it years ago with policies that led to housing bubble””

ohsweetjeebus, this lie AGAIN????

it really should feature in the next episode of The Walking Dead, it’s so unkillable.

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Bob: “The annual deficit has averaged about 1.25 trillion the last four years. Reversing the Bush tax cuts will generate 80 or 90 billion a year”

Cutting spending will make it even worse. But more generally, the snapshot analysis of the yearly deficit is irrelevant. Our interest payments on debt remain quite manageable.

What counts is future growth.

“But if we keep spending over a trillion more than what we take in….”

This fear appears based on a simple fallacy. The deficit is not something that we ultimately have to “pay back” in full. It is simply rolled over into perpetuity. Therefore that kitchen-table fear of how will we ever get out of this debt simply doesn’t apply.

“Obama has proposed another stimulus plan even though we are constantly told that the other stimulus plans worked”

Simple. You’re being lied to.

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DannyX
““We forgot…free loans DO exist in the Republican Reality.”

They sure do. I sure would like to know where I can get one of those Chip Rogers/Tom Graves no collateral $2.1 million never-pay-it-back loans.”

You should probably get out of your Democrat bubble and realize this has nothing to do with party affiliation…..just ask Chris Dodd and the other friends of Angelo that received some pretty cool Countrywide loans….but obviously you would be ok with this because only Republicans are greedy politicians in your little bubble.

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The annual deficit has averaged about 1.25 trillion the last four years. Reversing the Bush tax cuts will generate 80 or 90 billion a year. Can you help me out with the math on this one ? I am all for raising the taxes on the rich, even more than the 3% the Bush tax cuts amounted to. But if we keep spending over a trillion more than what we take in, how will we ever get the debt under control ?

Well, Obama’s idea generates far more money to go towards the debt than the GOP plan did. What GOP plan you ask? The GOP’s idea of federal workers paying more for their retirements and freezing their pay which amounted to all of $75 Billion over 10 years. So, Obama has one-upped the GOP again by putting forth a plan that will generate 10 times the revenue to go towards the debt and deficit. Every time the GOP tries to make themselves seem fiscally responsible, Obama makes them look stupid.

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I don’t believe in the ‘free stuff’ or ‘hand outs’ line from the right. Both sides do this. This is normal in American politics and the only thing upsetting those on the right is that their ‘moochers’ aren’t getting the free stuff. Get over it.

The “red” states are the main ones who TAKE more free stuff than any of the “blue” ones.

But let’s say you’re right, and the GOP are only trying to save us from falling into a 3rd world, communist country. If that’s the case, then they’re going about it the wrong way.

*They say they’re for small government, and yet the republican controlled government butted in on a private family matter, with contrary rules and regulations that laughed in the face of science and reason — Terri Schaivo.

*They say they’re for “free enterprise and capitalism” yet they hand out gas subsidies to gas companies that make over $1B / day.

* They say they’re for jobs, Jobs, JOBS! But since 2010 when a republican congress was elected to lead, the only thing we’ve gotten were legislation/talks on uterus, Uterus, UTERUS!

* They say they’re for the “little man” and understand the pain we’re going through, yet they give themselves a raise every year, while the civil servant, (who actually DOES the work he’s paid to do), gets slammed as being a leech when they want a COLA raise; and the average worker hasn’t received a raise in 8+ years.

*They pretend to worship at the altar of Capitalism & Federalism; but they’re slowly allowing the US to turn into a Totalitarian Oligarchy.

*Then to top it all off — when we the people, (you know the ones who PUT THEM IN POWER), ask them to work for US and help US, they start their war cry of “Wealth Envy”; and intimate that the American people are too stupid to know what’s good for them.

The 8 most scary words in the English language?:

I’m from the GOP, I’m here to help.

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Straightroad: “No, it means that Bowles, like any other rational person can understand simple math. The revenue bump from the top 2% will barely make a dent in the deficit if we maintain current spending levels.”

Irrelevant. See my 9:53.

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the libs started it years ago with policies that led to housing bubble

The fact that this is being grasped at now shows that one side is losing the argument right now, at least on this forum.

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“.but obviously you would be ok with this because only Republicans are greedy politicians in your little bubble.”

My little bubble includes the Republican chairmen of the state House and Senate banking committees.

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Heritage “think tank”, now they are starting to get a sense of humor over there!

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So repubs…spending is the problem?!

Ok. If we go over the cliff:

1. Remove all funding for Congressional health club ( just what will Ryan do with no mirror to strut in front of?
2. Remove all funding for their healthcare…they can buy it on the “open ” market through their health exchange…Oh Georgia is not setting one up? Maybe Price and the other doctors in the Congress can offer free care.
3. Remove funding and rescind congress’s retirement system and payouts.
4. reduce the per diem expense accounts esp for travel..Steak? How about a tube steak?

Let them live like the rest of us! If you are not going to do your job….

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Compromise be damned. You all can come down off your high horse and stop with the childish victory lap. By trying to spin your interpretation of compromise with our rejection of your ridiculous demands is nothing but another form of your tiresome campaign of vilification. And yes, we have a hard time with you all thinking that we owe you something. We saw this same repugnant attitude even when we held both houses and the WH.

Just because we believe in smaller government, smaller taxes, greater freedom, less regulation, a strong military, and proportional rights for proportional production that the Democrat Party opposes, our principles will not be compromised.

Your bullying strategy with the ObamaCare debacle was eye-opening. Another form of compromise from your rat’s nest propaganda department? Forget it Bookman. Forget it Bookman myrmidons. Take your convoluted idea of compromise and shove it.

Knowing that taxing only the wealthy will not solve the economic problems you looters created with the national credit card abuse, is nothing more than an after election punitive action or pay-back demand.
Blaming the Republicans in your media assisted campaign is a cheap tactic used before.

You want compromise? Ok. Let’s all hold hands and jump off the cliff together. That way, we can all share in the “revenue” sacrifice together. That way those Bush “tax cuts” enjoyed by the “middle class” as we’ll as the hated 2% will be eliminated to bring in more “revenue”. That way all those fat deductions on mortgage interest enjoyed by all those Northeast Democrats and those hated 2% bandits can share in the sacrifice. That way all of those hard working families who farm this land and those families that have produced generational wealth can share the pain of a 55% Estate Tax.

Compromise? Go sell that idea to your communist brothers and sisters in another country. Now let the carping begin from all you posters from the left.

How do you talk to a liberal? You can’t.

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Butch — “JHM – extremely low interest loan program for the influential…..you are ok with this?”

Nope. Then again, you brought it up as a defense for Georgia Republicans getting FORGIVEN LOANS, so I’d like for you to explain to me how *favorable* home loans for Democrats are somehow just as bad as OUTRIGHT BRIBES to Republicans.

Please, by all means, explain that to me.

“I never said they were never paid back but the point is that this has nothing to do with party affiliation.”

Of course it does. The fact is that quite simply, Republicans are getting outright BRIBES in the form of forgiven loans, and that you’re deflecting from that by going LOOKA THEM DEMOCRATS GETTIN LOW-INTEREST HOME LOANS.

Come on, Butch. Surely you can see there’s no comparison between the two.

“By reading the OP, you would think that the Dems are clean but the Reps are all criminals….”

Bribery’s still a felony, right? And if you bothered to ask me, I’d say investigate the home loans, too. But the fact of the matter is that loans made, never repaid and then forgiven amount to bribes and possibly unreported income. Help me understand how that’s not as bad as favorable loan terms, Butch.

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Heritage “think tank”, now they are starting to get a sense of humor over there!

Think Tank! That’s a good one. Heritage is the outfit that “thought” up that scheme for tax cuts to pay for themselves just as soon as unemployment hits 2.8% and stays there. And even funnier, Republicans bought buy it, hook, line and sinker.

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Compromise, Hell. Let little Barry in his arrogance take us off the cliff. My taxes go up either way.

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Donovan — “Compromise be damned. You all can come down off your high horse and stop with the childish victory lap.”

ST*U, Donny.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/quotes

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Has Romney began money raising for his 2016 campaign?

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Brocephus – 10:18 –

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Compromise this: Those paying more Medicare taxes due to the Affordable Care Act will be relieved to know their extra payins won’t go to the Medicare fund but will go into the general fund to help pay for law enforcement, farm subsidies and other stuff. Says in the AJC that the wealthy will help pay coverage for lower-income families’ health care. That’ll show those old, stingy, rich folks a thing or two.

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F. Sinkwich

Wow!! I can now go into debt with student loans, mortgages, housing, healthcare, rubbers and free money for no work, and the loans will all be forgiven!!!

Oh gosh, I didn’t know that.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for giving me such wonderful news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“You can’t have those things. Sorry, you just can’t. And the fantasy that you can is one of the truly dangerous forms of childish, naive utopianism that are out there.”

sure they want “smaller government” – as long as none of THEIR services are affected …

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“proportional rights for proportional production that the Democrat Party opposes”

Could you elucidate, please? It kinda sounds like you want factory owners to have more votes?

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I can’t run for office again so you can’t touch me. I’m now a “new money” member of the 1%. I got mine you get yours any way you can. As for the fiscal cliff and the fed gub’ment debt. Tradition is to leave it to the next guy to bite the bullet. I’m out of here!

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It’s not phony. Who doesn’t like free stuff?

Referring to the kind of social safety net that all civilized countries provide as a matter of course, in this insulting fashion, as “free stuff,” is phony.

you can candy-coat that turd any way you like. It’s still phony. And whatever cred your side might have had on issues of fiscal policy seeped away a long time ago.

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clem – “minimally competent and instantly forgettable men … ”

classic.

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Regnad ““proportional rights for proportional production that the Democrat Party opposes” Could you elucidate, please? It kinda sounds like you want factory owners to have more votes?”"

well … some people ARE more equal than others, doncha know …

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And can someone explain how/why a nation whose economy and population are growing, should somehow spend LESS?

How stupid is that? Why aren’t such people laughed out of the public discourse, instead of being given repeated exposure on my TeeVee?

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Butch — “JHM – you are right….I did not give you an identical act committed by a democrat…”

That’s right. You didn’t. You merely sought to *deflect* by using a lesser, though still ethically-questionable example.

“we could go tit-for-tat all day (e.g., Jefferson in Louisiana with the $$$$ in his freezer)”

I never defended Jefferson, so I don’t see your point.

“but you are missing the bigger point.”

No, I’m not. YOU are missing the bigger point.

You’re getting so caught up in *defending* Republicans who were caught RED-HANDED that you can’t even bring yourself to say ‘you know what? You’re right. Those were bribes, they were wrong, and both the lawmakers and the people giving those loans/bribes should be investigated and charged.’

Wrong is wrong, but you can’t bring yourself to say it, can you?

“It is hard to argue with a partisan hack….and there are way too many on here. Hopefully you are not one of them.”

I’m not. I spent over 20 years of my adult life voting for Republicans. That said, I’m starting to think that *you* are suffering from a bit of the partisan hack yourself.

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Do you really trust that despite what the outcome is in this overblown crap, BO and his cronies will actually cut spending beyond the gimme’s of winding down wars?

Stevie Ray

You and others forget that Obama has already conceded to spending cuts TWICE without any revenue as part of the deals. The only revenue deal to date has been to take money out of the pockets of federal workers, and that was a GOP idea.

I honestly don’t think we need to cut anything right now. What we need to do is put people to work in long-term, sustainable, career-type employment. I can’t count the number of times that I’ve stated that I don’t think we have a revenue or spending problem in this country. Our problem is employment related.

Once you get people to working in career-type employement with decent wages, THEN you can do the spending cuts/revenue enhancement thing. You’re likely to find out that not much will really need to be done then. With more people working and able to take care of themselves, you have fewer people relying on welfare. More people working means more revenue coming into Social Security, Medicaid, and the general tax coffers.

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Who Started what?? Barry has never compriomised on anything and gets his way….no deal without taxing the rich…but where are the cuts?? All I have heard from Barry and Harry and the Dems..no deal without taxing the rich..but does anyone know waht that really means..hell no…Barry has a spending problem and the dumb Repub’s will give in one more time, taxe the rich but no cuts – taht amount to anythng – Greece here we come..gee Jay, why don’t you send your paycheck to Barry and help out – after all he is using the peoples money to campaign for his tax hike – and kissing the unions read end…and just who are the rich – no one tries to define that…Greece here we come sooner rather than later – compriomise..barry – my way or the highway!!

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Countering with facts and statistics doesn’t seem to work. Instead, listening to their rants can be educational for a progressive, because the anti-government sentiment highlights the masterful job done by conservatives and the wealthy over the years, as they have basically convinced much of America to argue against themselves on matters of politics and the economy.

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My “fair share” of taxes will go up @ $12k if we go over the cliff…at least according to MSN Money and the CBO

Well over the course of the next year, in the extremely unlikely event that the tax hikes that are supposed to be triggered in January actually remain the law of the land throughout the year. Your taxes, mine, just about everyone earning a living.

Anyone here think that’s going to happen? that Erwin’s concern is a realistic one?

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Only downside to the cliff is that it doesn’t not contain more spending cuts. We need $800 billion a year of that

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“compriomise..barry – my way or the highway!!”

Look at the bright side Cosby, gas is down to $3 a gallon, when you get on that Republican highway on your way to the bridge to nowhere that connects to the town of Obscurity at least you won’t be paying $6 a gallon like Republicans were hysterically predicting a few months ago.

Have a safe trip!

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cosby,

How did that whole lets make him a one term focus work for ya.

You lost fat albert.

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“And it doesn’t get any better in the immediate future.”

Beg to differ Jay. This – divided government – is exactly the way it’s supposed to work.

Who wants a return to the days of one party/one ideology control the federal government. I still feel sick when I remember the arrogant, tone-deaf G. W. Bush and his arrogant, tone-deaf Republican House and Senate.

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Obama’s idea of another gub’ment created job is moving one person from unemployment to some kind of gub’ment “check’s in the mail program like “disability”. The number of people now on “disability” has increased by 1/3rd in the four short years since Obama has been in office. Now that’s creating a lot of “disability” jobs. Way to go Obama!

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Brocephus – “That was about the longest whine I’ve ever read here before”

Donovan is king of the epic whine … in fact, I’d say he veers into whinge territory …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF3grZ-t1i8

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And EVERYONE get ready for tax increases. Like Mondale telling you before the election he’d raise them, then Reagan actually doing it. The cliff will hit everyone heavily, with average person making $50k paying $2k plus taxes. Everyone has to pay more (including part of the 47% that don’t pay now if we want to have a hope of not turning into Greece/Spain, etc.

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(chorus) And my T Pot don’t whistle anymore.

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” The number of people now on “disability” has increased by 1/3rd in the four short years since Obama has been in office”

yay!!!! I’ll play …

got data???

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When did anybody state that the government needed to GIVE people jobs?

Me. Every day and twice on Sundays, if I remember.

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Raise the taxes over 5% on the rich. Use the 2% of the money to creat shovel ready jobs (aka FDR policy). That will creat more taxes more sales then the corporation will spend their 3 Trillion to expand. That is how it works. What the Repugs are suggesting is a clear path to the one taken by Greece.

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Bro 10:53 – then, my job here is done.

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” The number of people now on “disability” has increased by 1/3rd in the four short years since Obama has been in office”

This isn’t about those Obama-hired thugs Rushbo told us about, is it?

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The gop better start kissing our President’s a zz.

Bow down gop.

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Brosephus™

December 10th, 2012
10:36 am

The cuts already discussed by BO which are about 109bln aren’t harmful since defense and waste in entitlements about covers it. Increasing taxes alone will not change a thing as BO already has that money spent..and thats assuming the CBO won’t change assumptions which is about as certain as me turning into a china man…

I don’t see that businesses will do anything but welcome a deal…any deal excepting something that materially hurts growth..ie cap gains, dividend or general corp rate increase..

Are you saying that we shouldn’t cut anything until we get unemployment down? If so, the government has very little to do with reducing but plenty to do with increasing at this moment…no matter what they say about unemployment decreasing, it’s not….the worker pool is shrinking to a degree that should be front and center…

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Come on “Morality” … it’s been 15 minutes … please provide a source for this:

“” The number of people now on “disability” has increased by 1/3rd in the four short years since Obama has been in office””

we’re waaaaaaaaaaaaaaiting …

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Think of the “fiscal cliff” and debt debacle as regulations added to our economy.

Then cut them gop to fit your ideology.

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corbin- maybe if the GOP would work on a good jobs bill, then those on welfare would be off the “dole”…

You’re missing the point. Why would anyone ever want to get a job if you are going to pay them more not to work?

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“Why would anyone ever want to get a job if you are going to pay them more not to work?”

you obviously have never been on unemployemnt.

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Obama started picking fights the day he became ruler. Woodward’s latest book recounts how Obama was the person who was *disengaged* and unwilling to truly discuss the issue during his last bout with Boehner before the election. But he *won.* He was also (on the record) willing to accept the revenue he wanted by closing loopholes and abolishing exemptions. But he *won.* Why is he so afraid to let us witness (transparency promise anyone?) negotiations by conducting the whole thing on c-span? I am willing to risk going over the so-called cliff rather than once more trust the shifty *pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today* guy on the throne. To quote Cervantes-*under my cloak a fig for the king.*

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The American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbains, Christians, Muslims & Jews, etc.) have spoken loud and clear by electing President Obama again with another landslide victory in 2012.

House Speaker John Boehner is a poster child for the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.). The “tea party” weapons of choice are hatred, fear and bigotry against the American People.

The American People rejected the GOP and their extremist groups in 2012. The “tea party” is dead. Thank you God.

The GOP old model is broken beyond repair. No longer can the GOP rely on winning all the southern states and rally the rebels (old White Guys) in a few northern states to win the White House. The GOP must recruit “moderate” candidates and create a strategy that includes ALL American’s to hold on to as many seats as possible in the House and Senate in the 2014 midterm elections and re-capturing the White House in 2016.

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“you obviously have never been on unemployement”

I see you have been living in that dream life with good pay benefits that you believe everyone makes.

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“Liberals are funny……you’ve got to love them!”

They just make my blood boil!!! They greatly expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit that allows the moochers to not pay any taxes! They raised the gas tax, and a lot of other taxes. Expanded Medicare. They tripled the deficit! They gave amnesty to millions of illegal aliens!!!

Oh how I hate liberals, especially the big liberal Ronald Reagan who did all of that!

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“Why would anyone ever want to get a job if you are going to pay them more not to work?”

This is an insult to anybody who lost their job during the recession. If you can’t answer this question your self, you’re stupider than I thought. And my opinion was already pretty low…

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DannyX – (polite golf clap)

well played, sir!

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Stevie Ray: Are you saying that we shouldn’t cut anything until we get unemployment down?

That’s exactly what I’m saying. I would even state that, if the private sector keeps dragging their asses at putting people to work, I would advocate the government put people to work WPA Style.

Thanks to our “brilliant” business leaders of the past, we are stuck in a consumption based economy. For our economy to grow, we have to consume. We have to have money to consume, and right now money isn’t circulating and getting to the people who need to have it for consumption to do what it’s supposed to do.

Compare our economy to the human body. Money circulates through our economy like blood circulates through the body. One part of the heart is responsible for pushing blood through the entire body, except for the lungs. That blood is oxygen rich, and the body needs it to function. The other part of the heart pumps blood filled with carbon dioxide to the lungs to remove it from the body and replenish the oxygen in the blood. Then the cycle repeats itself.

One part of our economy (private sector) is responsible for pumping money through the entire economy. That money is used to propel the economy forward. The other part of our economy (public sector) pumps money into infrastructure, defense, and other areas to keep things working so that the private sector flourishes.

When one part of the heart stops pumping blood, you end up with a heart attack. When one part of our economy stops pumping money, you end up with an economic attack, which we just had. We can’t sustain ourselves on one half doing all the pumping. When the private sector doesn’t circulate money, then the public sector has to work that much harder to keep the economy going. At some point, people have to quit blaming government and look at who’s really failing to do what they’re supposed to do.

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dB

Oops.. Forgot about that part.

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CNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox announced this back before the recent elections – disability rolls up during the economic slow down.by 1/3rd…… as gotten from gub’ment reports. DISABILITY is the new welfare. My wife’s a P.A. and says that “patient’s” are coming to her clinic demanding to be put on “disability” like their sister, cousin, friend, etc. is. They want a letter from the Doctor to get them on disability. Once they get that letter it’s simple to get on the gub’ment payroll and pretty much unchecked for the rest of their lives. Works for the doctor too. Because the “disabled” visits to doctor forever and the Doc gets paid by the gub’ment. Lawyers are coming out of the wood work and advertising on T.V. promising to get you on the disability you “deserve” and SUPER SIZING your payment. YES some belong on disability – many do not and the gub’ment is not checking behind them to see if they are actually disabled years later.

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“Why is the left wing solution to punish the rich or anyone who is successful?”

Simple.

It makes moonbats feel good, and feeling good is much more important than facing reality.

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getalife- Fix your party and leave the governing for the adults you con children.

I didn’t know the definition of governing was ignoring reality and doing nothing.

Thanks!

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I will voluntarily give up 1% of my pay check for every 1% Obama reduces the Fed spending. Not too worried about starving based on his results so far.

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Jay, I think the blueprint to win majorities in the Senate and House was presented by the Democrats in 2006. After the Bush White House was very bullyish during his term in office, the Democrats simply fought back more after Senator Kerry had shown where to attack President Bush. Following Katrina, the Harriet Myers nomination to be the Supreme Court Justice, and Bush losing a majority of support after the immigration debate, Democrats basically fought everything in 2006. Republicans saw the Democrats use the power of the filibuster, arguments over troop levels in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the increase in the debt limit to rally to end the Republican power in the legislature. In fact, President Obama has admitted that the Debt Ceiling debate, the one where he claimed raising the ceiling was “unpatriotic,” in 2006 was purely politics. Republicans simply utilized the same mechanisms against the Democrats during Obama’s first term. Bu so doing they took away a filibuster proof Senate and won the majority in the House. At this moment, I think the Republicans are simply getting their bearings after an election they thought they could win. Democrats did not desire compromise when they were the Republicans shoes. The biggest wrinkle to this is that Republicans have a majority in the House.

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“I will voluntarily give up 1% of my pay check for every 1% Obama reduces the Fed spending”

I love it when people spew this kind of BS … I promise to do something that I can’t do just to make myself look like the Big I Am.

meanwhile, how about you cough up some of those links, bub.

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“Morality” — “My wife’s a P.A. and says that “patient’s” are coming to her clinic demanding to be put on “disability” like their sister, cousin, friend, etc. is. They want a letter from the Doctor to get them on disability. Once they get that letter it’s simple to get on the gub’ment payroll and pretty much unchecked for the rest of their lives. Works for the doctor too. Because the “disabled” visits to doctor forever and the Doc gets paid by the gub’ment. Lawyers are coming out of the wood work and advertising on T.V. promising to get you on the disability you “deserve” and SUPER SIZING your payment.”

You really don’t have the faintest idea how government disability actually works, do you?

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thy[sic] do truly despise the rich on the opposite side however.

When you have to lie to make a point, you really have no point.

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getalife
we are part of the 1.7%….

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You really don’t have the faintest idea how government disability actually works, do you?

“My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious. “

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“Those in the lower and middle class who voted for Obama will be the first and hardest hit by a further declining economy.”

Be careful what you ask for …………………..”

oh, FFS … you think this is news???? the people in the lower and middle are ALWAYS the hardest hit when the economy declines, regardless of who is in office …

christ on a cracker … what next??? water is wet???

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Morality? “When did it become the gub’ment’s job to give people jobs? Creating the atmosphere for job growth is the best the gub’ment can do.”

That is predicated on there being an economic system that is robust enough to actually supply jobs to the people so that everyone who is willing to do so can work.

But as the latest crisis has demonstrated yet again, there is no system more cruelly inefficient in terms of human potential than capitalism.

Let’s face it, capitalism just hasn’t been able to hack it.

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““A federal judge has ruled it is unconstitutional for North Carolina to issue pro-life license plates (”Choose Life”) unless the state offers similar plates supporting abortion rights.””

about frickin’ TIME.

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Actually, unemployment is bernanke’s job.

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“At this point it doesn’t matter how the donkey got in the ditch!”

Sure, if you want to repeat the same mistakes.

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barking –

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Brosephus: ” would even state that, if the private sector keeps dragging their asses at putting people to work, I would advocate the government put people to work WPA Style.”

You Commie you!

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How about:

“Equal Rights for Unborn Women” ?

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” it means that close to two-thirds of his own party will probably be voting against the deal that he agrees to support”

That is better than NOT ONE Republican voting in support of Obamacare.

I am glad to see Boehner “compromising” (if he really does) – now I want to see some compromising from Obama and the Democrats. Does it really matter if you get the same amount of money by eliminating deductions on the rich or by raising tax rates? Money is money and if it saves face for Republicans, I don’t care. I truly hope that Obama doesn’t make this a political statement by requiring the Republicans to go back on “no tax increase” just to use it as political fodder. Aren’t we supposed to be talking about the fiscal sanity of the country?

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The cons want to stop the blame game when the blame is on them.

It does not work that way cons.

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Reasoning with a SOCIALIST is like reasoning with the insane. COMPROMISING with Obama – is like giving him everything he wants and going home. Obama is a class action suit trial lawyer…… compromise – what me?

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cat,

Psssst, our economy is out of the ditch and it is your party that needs to get out of the way of free commerce.

You are acting like OWS and occupying congress.

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oh, MORALITY?

Ok, just to see if there was any real weight behind this “1/3 more not-really-disabled moocher” types you claimed, I went to the actual source:

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/awards.html

Go ahead and enter a year, and specify 12 month totals, and this is what you’ll get for total number of beneficiaries for the year ending Dec (in millions). First column is Old-Age and Survivors Insurance beneficiaries, second is for Disability Insurance awards.

2007: 3.42 / 1.32
2008: 3.72 / 1.44
2009: 4.17 / 1.57
2010: 4.05 / 1.68
2011: 3.99 / 1.63

…so not only is this “1/3 higher” figure apparently a fib, the number of beneficiaries has actually slightly decreased of late, if this site is to be believed (and I don’t know why it shouldn’t be.)

Are you going to admit you got it wrong?

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As far as the R’s offer on the fiscal cliff – I can see we need some drastic changes in Medicare – it is nowhere close to a balanced budget (which it should have). Social security only needs slight tweaking, because it is much nearer being sustainable. Defense in the big monster that needs to be cut.

If you take SS and Medicare and transportation out of the budget (they have their own revenue streams and should have separate balanced budgets), then the remainder looks like this (approximately):
Defense (all) – 43%
Interest – 18%
Medicaid – 12%
Welfare – 8%
All other – 19%

So where do we need to cut?

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A call on you cons to stay the course.

Do not take any blame or self reflect to fix your failed party.

You are doing a heck of a job brownie.

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I know where “Morality” is getting his numbers and his claims from, but I’m not telling until he gets more worked up and outraged.

Once I spill the beans, he’ll be off to Meltdown-Land.

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“Morality” — “Sure do.”

Sure you don’t.

“Get the doctor/provider to fill out the paper work – send it in to the gub’ment. It’s approved.”

Nope. Fail.

“Get your check.”

Nope. Fail.

“Return to doctor/provider and keep sending in paper work to gub’ment.”

Nope. Fail.

“Continue to be approved.”

Nope. Fail.

“One more on disability is one less on the unemployment rolls. Another gub’ment created job!”

Nope. Fail.

As soon as you admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about, I’ll be glad to explain where your mistakes and misapprehensions are coming from, “Morality.”

But I’ve got to warn you — you are NOT going to be happy about it.

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Everyone always wants to “cut the waste”. So do I. But it is a LOT easier said than done. On the other side – there is a lot of uncollected tax receipts that we are missing because of cheating – we could spend a few million and probably reap billions.

By the way, I am all for revamping the unemployment and the welfare system. Get those people to work for what they get. Where is “workfare”? Do away with the EITC (it is another form of welfare).

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Can’t say I am wrong when I am right. I got morals you know?

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My boss caught a guy trespassing on our company property once – he had to scale a fence and do some hard physical labor to get where he was. Guess what – yep, he was on Social Security Disability for his back.

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“Can’t say I am wrong when I am right.”

nor can you say you’re wrong when you’re, in fact, wrong, evidently …

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To borrow from Reagan – “We do not negotiate with terrorists.” We just secretly sell them F-19 fighter parts and funnel the money to Central America to fight a civil war. Against US law.

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“Why is the left wing solution to punish the rich or anyone who is successful?”

Asking people like Mitt Romney to pay the same, not half, the tax rate as everyone else is not punishing them.

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“Not sure how to do it, but some bright lights should be able to come up with something”

It wouldn’t be hard for a talented programmer. Divide the state into equal portions per, for example, House Representative…and, since land doesn’t vote, the tweak the placement of the border lines until each segement has as nearly as possible an equal number of voters.

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Morality, why don’t you check my numbers 11.49, and tell me if I’ve got them wrong?

From what I can tell, your claims of a 1/3 jump appear to be erroneous.

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“Now that an Islamist government—which was falsely installed by the military council—is in power, there is deafening silence.”

don’t know how things are in the US, but I can tell you that there is definitely NOT deafening silence about it in the UK – been all over the news.

nice try, but FLAIL.

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Why is the left wing solution to punish the rich or anyone who is successful?”

Easy. Because they owe so so much to the system that has enabled them to enjoy those riches and that success.

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Guess what – yep, he was on Social Security Disability for his back.

which proves what? that fraud exists?

How many babies have you dashed against the rocks whilst tossing out the bathwater, anyway?

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Boehner is the King of political theater and is the best of buds with Obama. I’m SURE they’ve sat and burned a smoke or two on many an occassion. Maybe even passed the smoke back and forth. Nothing brings people together like good music or a good smoke. The “deal” is done (between those two), whatever the deal is. It’s just a matter of playing it for all it’s worth at this point. Any one who thinks otherwise is a fool.

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You the “Drama Queen” of melt down land……. I’m as cool as can be. Earned my money working 60 hours a week for 27 years. Bought gold when I saw the edge of the fiscal cliff – selling 1/2 soon and taking the rest with me to my private island. Did not vote “W” and did not vote Obama. I am a FISCAL conservative. You voted for fiscal liberals – you go on over the cliff with them – not me.

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Disability claims are on aisle 2 at the Whole Foods. Don’t forget todays special. Neck and Back claims, 25% off as a special. And, just for Christmas, a corrective back prom dress included for free when you use coupon code: Really?

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JHM @ 12:09

He isn’t the only one………

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Is that the same Muslim Brotherhood that hates Israel – you know the one that Obama pledged $3,000,000,000 of our tax money to recently? Heard that on the radio from Huckabee so don’t ask me for a link. Huckabee’s pretty reliable.

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TBS — “He isn’t the only one………”

Bear in mind that we’re arguing with the same guy who claimed that FDR wasn’t actually *elected* to four terms as President; “Morality” claims that Congress just kinda *let* him do it for some bizarre WWII-related reason.

And “Morality” *continued* to maintain that he was right even after I posted links to *all four* sets of election results that Roosevelt won.

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Morality

Do the Saudi’s like Israel? Which Republican stopped aide and military sales to them? How about other Muslim countries that are given aid and sold military equipment?

And was an election held or not?

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Indigo – everything funded by the gub’ment is not SOCIALIST – don’t consider the military to be socialist though some of the gub’ment imposed policies on them are pushing them that way. I just agreed to reduce the military in equal proportion to every thing you are willing to cut within the social programs. I am compromising – work with me. Let’s play. I just cut the military 1 % – your move.

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indigo:

How about ……………..

“Baby I ‘conceived’ of my own free will on board.”

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indigo:

Or ……………

“Baby the government kept me from killing on board”

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Morality

Why won’t you just answer the question I asked. Should we continue to spend billions on US Military bases around the world protecting Counries that are more than able to protect themselves?

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You are jawing with your self – in your dream world “punkin” – getting what I said a little bit out of context. But heh that;’s what you do.

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suck:

Since I protected them both with my life I really don’t know what you are getting at ??

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“Morality” — “Let’s play.”

Yes, let’s.

So tell us where you’re getting your Federal Disability misinformation from. Your wife?

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decibles:

That’s a good start. Let’s protect them and work on the rest as best we can.

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Scout

Then you should put the sticker on your car as a reminder to your protection and your prediction

Will serve two purposes

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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
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December 10th, 2012
12:01 pm

That’s pretty sick even for you…

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suck:

You still lost me.

Reagan/Carter ran against each other. What’s your point ?

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Anyone see that flag go to half-staff yet for that Navy SEAL ?

Nope.

And it didn’t go to half staff when Bush got over 4,000 kids killed in Iraq either.

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Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten :

And you make my point !

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Scout

You incorrectly and purposely posted something about Egypt. Your answer to a reply to that post was a deflection to Hitler.

Correct your post about Egypt and put it in the correct context and not the incorrect context you posted then I will gladly move on to Hitler or whomever.

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Indigo – I normally only answer questionable questions once – but for you NO I would not close bases in Germany and Japan. Why? Because that is part of the USA agreement at the close of WWII – we agreed to build bases and they agreed not to. It is also to our advantage for tactical reasons to have bases around the world. Now Obama recently pledged $3 billion to a group called the Muslim Brotherhood…… their objective – to destroy Israel. Would you support our tax dollars for that purpose?

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That’s pretty sick even for you…

Once you’ve chuckled at a “Pray for Obama” bumper sticker, I guess it’s all downhill.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2009/11/bumper-stickers-for-psalm-1098—-a-wrong-hearted-prayer-for-obama/1#.UMYccazhd8E

In the New International Version translations, that verse reads;

In that context, are these folks actually urging us to pray for Obama’s death?

yes. THBAEOSATSQ.

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Scout

You missed the joke. It was a direct quote of a prediction you made about the election last month.

You were posting slogans for bumper stickers, so I gave you a suggestion: “Reagan / Carter”. You countered with you protected them. So I said that a bumper sticker could serve as two reminders for you: protection and prediction

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“Hitler was “elected” but we didn’t like that one either so we did something about it.”

what is this “we” of which you speak???

the US did eff-all until it was bombed – it stood blithely by while it’s allies were getting the crap bombed out of them.

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Here is a link to the map.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/GA

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Republican whine is like music to my ears. Life is good. I actually enjoy reading the Republican complaints about being forced to pay their bills.

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Guess you can’t win……. stand by why your allies are blithely bombed or go come to their aide. Which do you suggest with Israel who is our ally but gets bombed constantly by our enemies?

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Morality?

December 10th, 2012
12:04 pm
Earned my money working 60 hours a week for 27 years. Bought gold when I saw the edge of the fiscal cliff – selling 1/2 soon and taking the rest with me to my private island…..
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….. where I will be joined by, uhhhh, ummmm, MORGAN FAIRCHILD, yeah, that’s the ticket.

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Newt Gotrich started this fight many years ago. He’s the reason the Dem’s and the Repub’s are at war with one another. He embraced the the Religious Right to further his cause and that brought in the Extremist’s to the Republican party. Republicans have been slowly going down hill as a party since. We’ve all seen what Republican policies have done to this country and the American people. Those policies have not worked for the majority of the American people and must end.

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Morality – “we are funding a lost cause”

100% agreement on that.

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Morality, I don’t suppose you’re going to admit, now, that you heard something out of Huckabee’s fat yap that you can’t possibly back up?

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Earned my money working 60 hours a week for 27 years. Bought gold when I saw the edge of the fiscal cliff – selling 1/2 soon and taking the rest with me to my private island…..

“It’s de next plane of disgruntled Republicans,” he exclaimed.

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Welcome @ 12.44, you know and I know that the Camp David peace accords set those payments in motion ages ago, and that every President since Carter has been providing funds to Egypt.

I’m one of those fools who thought our “morality” might know this as well, but could provide some (laughable) information about a new commitment being made directly to the Muslim Brotherhood.

But from appearances, he doesn’t even know about the first bit. It was probably a complete shock to him that we’ve been sending billions to Egypt for many years.

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and those who, like Boehner two years ago, still reject the word “compromise”.

Obama was never about ‘compromise”. See Obamacare!

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The gop should man up , apologize to our President for their behavior, then bow down and kiss our President’s feet.

He crushed the gop party.

They are trapped like rats.

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saywhat?

Island living isn’t as costly as people make it out to be. For example, one could have their own private island in Michigan for the cost of a home here in the metro Atlanta area.

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/fishermans-point-island

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Indigo – We have common ground – no funding to the Muslim Brother hood. As for the game – let me explain for you – I call them “socialist programs” but you may refer to them as what some call simply “social programs” I am willing to reduce the military – are you willing to reduce the social programs?
That is the only way to avoid the fiscal cliff now that we have agreed by compromise to confiscate 100% of the 1 per cents assets and give them to the gub’ment. I just cut the military 1 % – your play.

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if you cannot offer a constructive solution

I know of one. I link to it fairly regularly. It’s been out there unloved for about a year and a half now.

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-peoples-budget/

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Yeah rb, your party are role models.

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suck:

Roger that.

UK:

Better later than never …………. )

Mick:

I merely posted that verse without comment. It’s stands by itself and does not need me (or you) to try to interpret it. It says what it says.

Take it up with God.

Got to run ……………. back tonight !

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Brosephus – thanks for the info…… but I was thinking of something a little further away from D.C.

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Morality

Socialism – “a theory or system of social organization in which the means of production and distribution of goods are owned and controlled collectively or by the government”.

If our Military does not fall under that definition, then nothing else in American Govt. does.

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Kam, when have I ever name-called someone personally?

I suggest you reread your last post and pay special attention to the clue that I gave you.

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SAcout – “Better later than never ”

please.

your point was that “we did something about when Hitler was elected”

the hell we did.

we didn’t do anything then.

we didn’t do anything when he annexed Austria.

we didn’t do anything when he invaded Poland.

we didn’t do anything when he invaded France.

we didn’t do anything when he started a bombing campaign on England.

so, you can leave the false moral high ground on that one.

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I suggest you reread your last post and pay special attention to the clue that I gave you.

Perhaps if Dharma were to glare into a mirror while typing, he could get a light bulb to at least flicker a little.

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/facepalm… I don’t throw the term “Disgruntled Republican” around as an insult. I’m simply stating that by throwing mud at his opponents, Mr. TaxPayer is turn no better.

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The Muslim Brotherhood is what the new governing party in Egypt calls themselves. And yes Obama has pledged to fund them. And yes they have, in the past, considered the destruction of Israel to be on their agenda. Heh – I don’t speak for Huckabee – just heard it on the radio – that’s what I said already.

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Dharma Bum,

All you simply stated were insults. Live up to your own posts. Or else let the adults handle it.

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All you simply stated were insults. Live up to your own posts. Or else let the adults handle it.

shall I call one?

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“Morality” — “The Muslim Brotherhood is what the new governing party in Egypt calls themselves. And yes Obama has pledged to fund them.”

Lie. Whether you’re just repeating what Huckabee said or subtly changing the meaning of it, it’s still a lie.

Obama has asserted that we will *continue* to support the legitimate government of Egypt going forward, just as we have done for DECADES.

T’aint a thing in there about supporting a partisan foreign *political party,* your frothing pronouncements notwithstanding.

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I’d like to be proven wrong about the direction things will go politically, namely, I’d love to see people put down their pitchforks and mental brick walls they have built up and actually approach the other side with cool heads and open ears… something that both dems and reps appear unwilling to do at this point.

Well it has been fun, but I have work to do… it is a sunny and warm day in FL! Good day everyone!

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“Obama was never about ‘compromise”. See Obamacare!”

Poor example. Pointing to “Obamacare” does NOT prove your point. In fact, it refutes it.

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Well, it’s no fair to crittersize the Boner about something he said two years ago. That was back when us Republicans won the election.

Now it’s different. This election we got slapped around like a abused wife. I mean, sure, we never wanted to compromise back then because the people were on our side. Now the same people look on us like they would look on child molesters.

I reckon what I’m trying to say is, Have mercy, Obama! Don’t rub our nose in it.

Have a good Monday everybody. It’s raining out here and I hope all you spoilt office sissys get soaked from a roof leak right over your head.

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I am for con self deportation.

Love it or leave it cons.

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welcome- Easy. Because they owe so so much to the system that has enabled them to enjoy those riches and that success.

What happens when the rich only make enough money to cover 8% of your deficit? (we won’t even go into talking about debt). Wh owes then?

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geta – Why not just put a bounty on them, say $5 a head. Jamvet and his ilk will have the problem solved by the end of the year!

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Have a LOVELY day now and remember that despite the gub’ment the sun will come up tomorrow – Selah.

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(this time without typos)-I didn’t even bother trying to point that out. I figure he is confused enough as it is.

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Doggone — “Must have. What does districting have to do with computers in elections?”

Well, you said this earlier on this page:

Doggone — “Yep, that’s why it should be put on a computer and done solely on numbers…and nothing to do with how a particular area voted in the last election.”

. . . and I was trying to square that with what I recall you saying about computers being used in elections previously. P’raps you could elaborate a bit so I could understand better where you’re coming from, please?

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shruuged,

No need for violence.

The cons and the gop are self destructing.

Stay the course.

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morality?

No, cons lost their moral compass.

rb thinks they are role models.

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cheesy grits- Asking people like Mitt Romney to pay the same, not half, the tax rate as everyone else is not punishing them

Warren “I forgot where I put my checkbook” Buffet says,”What?”.

Moveon.org, nothing to see here…

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rb thinks they are role models.

Maybe he meant roll models.

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I do not have the same access to patent protections and other benefits…

yes, you do…I just filed a provisional patent a few weeks ago for a couple hundred bucks. Bill Gates started in his garage as did Jobs, Google is publicly traded…what’s your excuse?

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JKL2: “obama: who needs a fish. I got fish here. free fish fo everyone.”

I’m still waiting for information on where to pick up my “free fish”. I haven’t heard a peep.

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Erwin’s cat: “Bill Gates started in his garage as did Jobs, Google is publicly traded…what’s your excuse?”

I don’t want a patent so I can hoard my own benefits and hang others out to dry in a rigged game. Instead, I’d rather agitate and build a world founded on economic justice. Plus, I don’t like garages.

“I just filed a provisional patent a few weeks ago for a couple hundred bucks”

Good luck with that.

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I do hope our President is handing out grilled salmon.

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Good luck with that.

luck has nothing to do with it, I’ve got a couple dozen already awarded.
A patent won’t make you rich, or even make it a good idea, it just protects one from being robbed of an idea.
The games not rigged, you just choose not to play, but are critical of those that do

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What did you patent cat?

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Almost certainly not…SHEETZ

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get – which one?
the latest is smart phone gadget

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What did you patent cat?

I’m thinking some kind of gizmo to open the box from the inside.

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RB- I think we should just let him have everything he wants and when the wheels fall off, just say “I told you that would happen”

I’m with you. Bring on the pain.

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