How John Boehner came to love the word ‘compromise’
What does it sound like when bullies discover that they’re losing a fight that they started, one that they’re likely to keep losing for the foreseeable future?
It sounds very much like this:
Unless he takes a more bipartisan approach to fiscal cliff negotiations, President Barack Obama “guarantees a permanent war” between Democrats and Republicans, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich predicted Sunday.
“He wants to prove he can dominate,” Gingrich said on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” adding that on fiscal cliff negotiations, Obama aims not to compromise, but to “block [House Speaker John] Boehner into collapse.”
Why the prediction of an endless partisan fight? “Because everybody on the right, at every level, sooner or later is going to get sick of it,” Gingrich said.
Correct me if I’m wrong — some will try to correct me though I’m right — but didn’t the Republicans start this all-out, scorched-earth permanent war thing? Wasn’t this whole thing their idea in the first place?
And now they beg for compromise?
It was almost exactly two years ago to the day that Speaker John Boehner made it clear that there would be no compromise in Washington. “I am not going to compromise my principles nor will I compromise the will of the American people,” he told Judy Woodruff of “60 Minutes”.
“You’re afraid of the word?” Woodruff asked.
“I reject the word,” the new speaker said.
Whatever his other failings, Gingrich knows first-hand the realities of being speaker. He knows what it’s like to have go searching for votes. So when he predicts, as he did Sunday, that “if Boehner works out an agreement with President Obama, it has to be an agreement that brings 120 or 140 House Democrats,” that tells you an awful lot.
A House majority requires 218 votes. If Boehner needs 120 to 140 Democrats to support an eventual deal, it means that close to two-thirds of his own party will probably be voting against the deal that he agrees to support. It means that Nancy Pelosi will have a lot to say about what that final package contains. And it means that the House GOP caucus will afterward find itself split between those RINOs who voted for the deal, and those hardliners who voted against it, with Boehner among those who supported it.
“(Boehner) can be the speaker of a block of Republicans working with Democrats or he can be the speaker of the hard right fighting the Democrats,” Gingrich said. “There’s no middle ground here. He will not carry the hard right for any deal.”
Again, this is a confrontation that congressional Republicans have wanted for years. They plotted and strategized to create just this opportunity, never imagining that when the moment came, they would be the ones pleading for compromise and a bit of political mercy.
And it doesn’t get any better in the immediate future. Next on the agenda when Congress returns?
Immigration reform, with Democrats pressing for a path to citizenship and Republicans again split between those who recognize the political and moral necessity of such a step, and those who, like Boehner two years ago, still reject the word “compromise”.
– Jay Bookman
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Morality?
December 10th, 2012
10:22 am
Christmas Card from Obama – I promised you that if you voted for me you would continue to get your check in the mail – never promised the bank would cash it. Merry Christmas – the Obama’s
indigo
December 10th, 2012
10:22 am
F. Sinkwich
Wow!! I can now go into debt with student loans, mortgages, housing, healthcare, rubbers and free money for no work, and the loans will all be forgiven!!!
Oh gosh, I didn’t know that.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for giving me such wonderful news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
December 10th, 2012
10:22 am
Bro
Do you really trust that despite what the outcome is in this overblown crap, BO and his cronies will actually cut spending beyond the gimme’s of winding down wars?
I don’t see it remotely happening…regardless of promises…raising taxes is easy and difficult to undo…promising cuts is easy to do but difficult to see thru…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
10:22 am
“You can’t have those things. Sorry, you just can’t. And the fantasy that you can is one of the truly dangerous forms of childish, naive utopianism that are out there.”
sure they want “smaller government” – as long as none of THEIR services are affected …
clem
December 10th, 2012
10:22 am
repubs define moronic:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/07/lawrence-odonnell-mitch-mcconnell_n_2258079.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics
Regnad Kcin
December 10th, 2012
10:24 am
“proportional rights for proportional production that the Democrat Party opposes”
Could you elucidate, please? It kinda sounds like you want factory owners to have more votes?
DannyX
December 10th, 2012
10:24 am
“Danny X – Now YOU know as well as I do that NEITHER party ever plans to pay for anything.”
Not from reading your posts, Morality
Morality?
December 10th, 2012
10:25 am
I can’t run for office again so you can’t touch me. I’m now a “new money” member of the 1%. I got mine you get yours any way you can. As for the fiscal cliff and the fed gub’ment debt. Tradition is to leave it to the next guy to bite the bullet. I’m out of here!
Butch
December 10th, 2012
10:26 am
JHM – you are right….I did not give you an identical act committed by a democrat….we could go tit-for-tat all day (e.g., Jefferson in Louisiana with the $$$$ in his freezer) but you are missing the bigger point. It is hard to argue with a partisan hack….and there are way too many on here. Hopefully you are not one of them.
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2012
10:27 am
It’s not phony. Who doesn’t like free stuff?
Referring to the kind of social safety net that all civilized countries provide as a matter of course, in this insulting fashion, as “free stuff,” is phony.
you can candy-coat that turd any way you like. It’s still phony. And whatever cred your side might have had on issues of fiscal policy seeped away a long time ago.
N-GA (on the winning side 2 federal elections in a row!)
December 10th, 2012
10:27 am
@F.Sinkwich – The Republican-controlled Congress of George Bush not only passed the tax cut that reduced Federal revenues, they also passed the largest Omnibus Spending Bill in the history of the United States! Remember the Bridge to Nowhere?
http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=633&Itemid=28
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
10:27 am
clem – “minimally competent and instantly forgettable men … ”
classic.
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2012
10:29 am
It kinda sounds like you want factory owners to have more votes?
Kinda?
and it’s not even factory owners–it’s any of der Skimmer-Klass who made the smart decisions to be born to the right people, they’re talking about.
That’s a wet dream of modern conservatives. One dollar, one vote, far as I can tell.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
10:29 am
Regnad ““proportional rights for proportional production that the Democrat Party opposes” Could you elucidate, please? It kinda sounds like you want factory owners to have more votes?”"
well … some people ARE more equal than others, doncha know …
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!
December 10th, 2012
10:30 am
Somebody give Donovan a St. John’s Wort…or two…
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2012
10:31 am
And can someone explain how/why a nation whose economy and population are growing, should somehow spend LESS?
How stupid is that? Why aren’t such people laughed out of the public discourse, instead of being given repeated exposure on my TeeVee?
Brosephus™
December 10th, 2012
10:31 am
USinner
That was about the longest whine I’ve ever read here before. I probably should have stopped reading at the “proportional rights for proportional production” part, but the devious side in me wanted to see how far off the rails the train would fly.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 10th, 2012
10:33 am
Butch — “JHM – you are right….I did not give you an identical act committed by a democrat…”
That’s right. You didn’t. You merely sought to *deflect* by using a lesser, though still ethically-questionable example.
“we could go tit-for-tat all day (e.g., Jefferson in Louisiana with the $$$$ in his freezer)”
I never defended Jefferson, so I don’t see your point.
“but you are missing the bigger point.”
No, I’m not. YOU are missing the bigger point.
You’re getting so caught up in *defending* Republicans who were caught RED-HANDED that you can’t even bring yourself to say ‘you know what? You’re right. Those were bribes, they were wrong, and both the lawmakers and the people giving those loans/bribes should be investigated and charged.’
Wrong is wrong, but you can’t bring yourself to say it, can you?
“It is hard to argue with a partisan hack….and there are way too many on here. Hopefully you are not one of them.”
I’m not. I spent over 20 years of my adult life voting for Republicans. That said, I’m starting to think that *you* are suffering from a bit of the partisan hack yourself.
getalife
December 10th, 2012
10:34 am
Yes and it was the newt that was at the meeting to hatch their plan.
The newt is not elected and should exit politics.
A total loser.
Brosephus™
December 10th, 2012
10:36 am
Do you really trust that despite what the outcome is in this overblown crap, BO and his cronies will actually cut spending beyond the gimme’s of winding down wars?
Stevie Ray
You and others forget that Obama has already conceded to spending cuts TWICE without any revenue as part of the deals. The only revenue deal to date has been to take money out of the pockets of federal workers, and that was a GOP idea.
I honestly don’t think we need to cut anything right now. What we need to do is put people to work in long-term, sustainable, career-type employment. I can’t count the number of times that I’ve stated that I don’t think we have a revenue or spending problem in this country. Our problem is employment related.
Once you get people to working in career-type employement with decent wages, THEN you can do the spending cuts/revenue enhancement thing. You’re likely to find out that not much will really need to be done then. With more people working and able to take care of themselves, you have fewer people relying on welfare. More people working means more revenue coming into Social Security, Medicaid, and the general tax coffers.
Morality?
December 10th, 2012
10:37 am
I never said either party had a plan that would realistically reduce this debt. Oh – are you talking about Obama’s nationwide lottery to fund the debt? His plan to legalize weed for taxation? His plan to confiscate the assets of the envied 1%? His plan (and Nanny Pelosi’s) to cut the military by 33 1/3rd %? His plan to cut socialist checks in the mail programs? Now which of these plans DO exist? Only ONE – cut the military by 33 1/3rd %. I will be willing to cut the Military by the same % that Obama is willing to cut EVERY gub’ment socialist give away program. That’s MY COMPROMISE for Obama.
Cosby
December 10th, 2012
10:38 am
Who Started what?? Barry has never compriomised on anything and gets his way….no deal without taxing the rich…but where are the cuts?? All I have heard from Barry and Harry and the Dems..no deal without taxing the rich..but does anyone know waht that really means..hell no…Barry has a spending problem and the dumb Repub’s will give in one more time, taxe the rich but no cuts – taht amount to anythng – Greece here we come..gee Jay, why don’t you send your paycheck to Barry and help out – after all he is using the peoples money to campaign for his tax hike – and kissing the unions read end…and just who are the rich – no one tries to define that…Greece here we come sooner rather than later – compriomise..barry – my way or the highway!!
DownInAlbany
December 10th, 2012
10:40 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/opinion/sunday/kristof-profiting-from-a-childs-illiteracy.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&ref=opinion
Free stuff mentality
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 10th, 2012
10:41 am
Conservatives and the wealthy have taught too many Americans to hate their own govt, and not the parasite industries destroying the middle class.
Countering with facts and statistics doesn’t seem to work. Instead, listening to their rants can be educational for a progressive, because the anti-government sentiment highlights the masterful job done by conservatives and the wealthy over the years, as they have basically convinced much of America to argue against themselves on matters of politics and the economy.
getalife
December 10th, 2012
10:42 am
Here is my offer.
Nothing.
F the gop but our President is not like me.
There will be a deal.
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2012
10:43 am
My “fair share” of taxes will go up @ $12k if we go over the cliff…at least according to MSN Money and the CBO
Well over the course of the next year, in the extremely unlikely event that the tax hikes that are supposed to be triggered in January actually remain the law of the land throughout the year. Your taxes, mine, just about everyone earning a living.
Anyone here think that’s going to happen? that Erwin’s concern is a realistic one?
JKL2
December 10th, 2012
10:43 am
granny- The hand out to corporations and the wealthy party?
When is obama going to repeal the law that says only Republicans can run corporations or be wealthy? Someone needs to help those poor people!
I hope even YOU can figure out the difference.
Then again….
Wait a minute
December 10th, 2012
10:43 am
Only downside to the cliff is that it doesn’t not contain more spending cuts. We need $800 billion a year of that
Morality?
December 10th, 2012
10:43 am
When did it become the gub’ment’s job to give people jobs? Creating the atmosphere for job growth is the best the gub’ment can do. that means not over regulating, not over taxing and not letting foreign countries have an unfair advantage over our private sector. It’s the gub’ments job to run the gub’ment – not create jobs.
DannyX
December 10th, 2012
10:44 am
“compriomise..barry – my way or the highway!!”
Look at the bright side Cosby, gas is down to $3 a gallon, when you get on that Republican highway on your way to the bridge to nowhere that connects to the town of Obscurity at least you won’t be paying $6 a gallon like Republicans were hysterically predicting a few months ago.
Have a safe trip!
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2012
10:44 am
“Barry has never compriomised on anything and gets his way”
Got proof?
getalife
December 10th, 2012
10:45 am
cosby,
How did that whole lets make him a one term focus work for ya.
You lost fat albert.
indigo
December 10th, 2012
10:45 am
Morality
Has it ever occured to you, even once, that maybe we no longer should have expensive US Military bases all over the world to help protect Countries who are more than able to protect themselves. Don’t you realize these countries are more than willing for us to spend billions on their defense while, with their correspondendly lower military budgets, they are able to give their citizens healthcare, lower taxes, improved infrastructure, etc. etc.?
Lamondrionna
December 10th, 2012
10:45 am
“And it doesn’t get any better in the immediate future.”
Beg to differ Jay. This – divided government – is exactly the way it’s supposed to work.
Who wants a return to the days of one party/one ideology control the federal government. I still feel sick when I remember the arrogant, tone-deaf G. W. Bush and his arrogant, tone-deaf Republican House and Senate.
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2012
10:46 am
We need $800 billion a year of that
…like we need a dime-sized hole in the head.
Morality?
December 10th, 2012
10:47 am
Obama’s idea of another gub’ment created job is moving one person from unemployment to some kind of gub’ment “check’s in the mail program like “disability”. The number of people now on “disability” has increased by 1/3rd in the four short years since Obama has been in office. Now that’s creating a lot of “disability” jobs. Way to go Obama!
getalife
December 10th, 2012
10:47 am
Lets face it, the gop and their cons are total losers and their party is falling apart.
Fix your party and leave the governing for the adults you con children.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
10:48 am
Brocephus – “That was about the longest whine I’ve ever read here before”
Donovan is king of the epic whine … in fact, I’d say he veers into whinge territory …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF3grZ-t1i8
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2012
10:48 am
The number of people now on “disability” has increased by 1/3rd in the four short years since Obama has been in office
I’m not sure what I love more about this, the lack of a cite or the use of bunny-ear quotes around the word “disability.”
Wait a minute
December 10th, 2012
10:49 am
And EVERYONE get ready for tax increases. Like Mondale telling you before the election he’d raise them, then Reagan actually doing it. The cliff will hit everyone heavily, with average person making $50k paying $2k plus taxes. Everyone has to pay more (including part of the 47% that don’t pay now if we want to have a hope of not turning into Greece/Spain, etc.
Brosephus™
December 10th, 2012
10:49 am
When did it become the gub’ment’s job to give people jobs?
When did anybody state that the government needed to GIVE people jobs?
appleseed
December 10th, 2012
10:49 am
(chorus) And my T Pot don’t whistle anymore.
JustMe
December 10th, 2012
10:50 am
Boehner….a giant loser. Makes me ashamed to be White.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
10:50 am
” The number of people now on “disability” has increased by 1/3rd in the four short years since Obama has been in office”
yay!!!! I’ll play …
got data???
JKL2
December 10th, 2012
10:51 am
Brosephus- I thought the GOP wanted massive spending cuts. That’s why they voted on that deal to get those spending cuts. I say let’em have those spending cuts. They wanted them. They own them
That’s the problem. The GOP doesn’t own them. They are just going to take the blame because the Democrats are still refusing to do anything.
If I’m wrong, show me all the massive spending cuts the Democrats have proposed.
PS: I still have yet to see one single Democrat explain to me how a tax increase is a spending cut.
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2012
10:52 am
When did anybody state that the government needed to GIVE people jobs?
Me. Every day and twice on Sundays, if I remember.
Brosephus™
December 10th, 2012
10:53 am
USinner
THAT is sooooooooo saved to my favs!!!!! I’ll be sure to give you credit whenever I use it.
fedup
December 10th, 2012
10:55 am
Raise the taxes over 5% on the rich. Use the 2% of the money to creat shovel ready jobs (aka FDR policy). That will creat more taxes more sales then the corporation will spend their 3 Trillion to expand. That is how it works. What the Repugs are suggesting is a clear path to the one taken by Greece.
Granny Godzilla
December 10th, 2012
10:56 am
JKL2
December 10th, 2012
10:43 am
granny- The hand out to corporations and the wealthy party?
yep, you know the bunch…..
When is obama going to repeal the law that says only Republicans can run corporations or be wealthy? Someone needs to help those poor people!
You still make stuff up. Some folks never learn their lesson.
I hope even YOU can figure out the difference.
You have hope? Now if we could get you to change!
Then again….
Yep, then again
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
10:56 am
Bro 10:53 – then, my job here is done.
Williebkind
December 10th, 2012
10:56 am
“What does it sound like when bullies discover that they’re losing a fight that they started, one that they’re likely to keep losing for the foreseeable future?”
and I stopped reading there.
Regnad Kcin
December 10th, 2012
10:57 am
” The number of people now on “disability” has increased by 1/3rd in the four short years since Obama has been in office”
This isn’t about those Obama-hired thugs Rushbo told us about, is it?
JohnnyReb
December 10th, 2012
10:58 am
So Welcome to the Occupation thinks its OK to compromise everyone’s security so that people who can’t make their independent way in life – those not of retirement age – can have free everything.
In other words, keep loading them into the life boat until it sinks.
getalife
December 10th, 2012
10:58 am
The gop better start kissing our President’s a zz.
Bow down gop.
Brosephus™
December 10th, 2012
10:59 am
That’s the problem. The GOP doesn’t own them. They are just going to take the blame because the Democrats are still refusing to do anything.
That’s 100% Pure Organic, steaming, hot, fresh Bovine Fecal Matter!!!
The GOP has been begging for this fight since January 2011. They held the debt limit hostage over spending cuts. They held the appropriations bills hostage over spending cuts. They won the 2010 midterms on a message of “jobs, jobs, jobs”, but since they were sworn in, they haven’t done anything other than b*tch and complain about the debt and deficit.
Not one time have they acknowledged that Obama’s spending is given by them, the GOP as they control the House. Not one time have they owned up to the reason the debt and deficits shot up so much was because of the lower revenue collected because of the lower tax rates they passed.
You can push that BS to somebody who doesn’t read or pay attention, but had the GOP focused on “jobs, jobs, jobs” instead of trying to give the royal screw job to America, we wouldn’t have this whole “Fiscal Cliff” crap to even deal with.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
December 10th, 2012
11:00 am
Brosephus™
December 10th, 2012
10:36 am
The cuts already discussed by BO which are about 109bln aren’t harmful since defense and waste in entitlements about covers it. Increasing taxes alone will not change a thing as BO already has that money spent..and thats assuming the CBO won’t change assumptions which is about as certain as me turning into a china man…
I don’t see that businesses will do anything but welcome a deal…any deal excepting something that materially hurts growth..ie cap gains, dividend or general corp rate increase..
Are you saying that we shouldn’t cut anything until we get unemployment down? If so, the government has very little to do with reducing but plenty to do with increasing at this moment…no matter what they say about unemployment decreasing, it’s not….the worker pool is shrinking to a degree that should be front and center…
Morality?
December 10th, 2012
11:01 am
Indigo – I will play your game if you will play mine. It’s called COMPROMISE. I will reduce the military 1% for every 1% you reduce all of the gub’ments unfunded or under funded gub’ment SOCIALIST programs. (Social Security funds have been, unfortunately, raided by Congress and it is now the largest Ponsi scheme in world history) – I just cut the military 1% – your move.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
11:01 am
Come on “Morality” … it’s been 15 minutes … please provide a source for this:
“” The number of people now on “disability” has increased by 1/3rd in the four short years since Obama has been in office””
we’re waaaaaaaaaaaaaaiting …
Ronald Reagan
December 10th, 2012
11:01 am
Liberals are funny……you’ve got to love them!
getalife
December 10th, 2012
11:02 am
Think of the “fiscal cliff” and debt debacle as regulations added to our economy.
Then cut them gop to fit your ideology.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
11:02 am
“it is now the largest Ponsi scheme in world history”
oh sweet jeebus.
make the stupid stop.
JKL2
December 10th, 2012
11:03 am
corbin- maybe if the GOP would work on a good jobs bill, then those on welfare would be off the “dole”…
You’re missing the point. Why would anyone ever want to get a job if you are going to pay them more not to work?
getalife
December 10th, 2012
11:04 am
“Why would anyone ever want to get a job if you are going to pay them more not to work?”
More money moron.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
11:04 am
“Why would anyone ever want to get a job if you are going to pay them more not to work?”
you obviously have never been on unemployemnt.
Williebkind
December 10th, 2012
11:04 am
“You can push that BS to somebody who doesn’t read or pay attention, but had the GOP focused on “jobs, jobs, jobs” instead of trying to give the royal screw job to America, we wouldn’t have this whole “Fiscal Cliff” crap to even deal with.”
I agree you have been reading crap pertaining to the fiscal cliff. NY times NBC, ABC, CBS etc. and of course the emails sent by the never ever truth telling progressive liberals.
weetamoe
December 10th, 2012
11:04 am
Obama started picking fights the day he became ruler. Woodward’s latest book recounts how Obama was the person who was *disengaged* and unwilling to truly discuss the issue during his last bout with Boehner before the election. But he *won.* He was also (on the record) willing to accept the revenue he wanted by closing loopholes and abolishing exemptions. But he *won.* Why is he so afraid to let us witness (transparency promise anyone?) negotiations by conducting the whole thing on c-span? I am willing to risk going over the so-called cliff rather than once more trust the shifty *pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today* guy on the throne. To quote Cervantes-*under my cloak a fig for the king.*
Williebkind
December 10th, 2012
11:05 am
“you obviously have never been on unemployemnt.”
Robert
December 10th, 2012
11:05 am
The American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbains, Christians, Muslims & Jews, etc.) have spoken loud and clear by electing President Obama again with another landslide victory in 2012.
House Speaker John Boehner is a poster child for the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.). The “tea party” weapons of choice are hatred, fear and bigotry against the American People.
The American People rejected the GOP and their extremist groups in 2012. The “tea party” is dead. Thank you God.
The GOP old model is broken beyond repair. No longer can the GOP rely on winning all the southern states and rally the rebels (old White Guys) in a few northern states to win the White House. The GOP must recruit “moderate” candidates and create a strategy that includes ALL American’s to hold on to as many seats as possible in the House and Senate in the 2014 midterm elections and re-capturing the White House in 2016.
appleseed
December 10th, 2012
11:06 am
In your freebies Y’all furgetting the Obama phone.
Williebkind
December 10th, 2012
11:06 am
“you obviously have never been on unemployement”
I see you have been living in that dream life with good pay benefits that you believe everyone makes.
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2012
11:06 am
They won the 2010 midterms on a message of “jobs, jobs, jobs”, but since they were sworn in, they haven’t done anything other than b*tch and complain about the debt and deficit.
now now. They’ve also worked feverishly to monitor vaginas. As seen here and here and here and here…
DannyX
December 10th, 2012
11:09 am
“Liberals are funny……you’ve got to love them!”
They just make my blood boil!!! They greatly expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit that allows the moochers to not pay any taxes! They raised the gas tax, and a lot of other taxes. Expanded Medicare. They tripled the deficit! They gave amnesty to millions of illegal aliens!!!
Oh how I hate liberals, especially the big liberal Ronald Reagan who did all of that!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
11:09 am
“I see you have been living in that dream life with good pay benefits that you believe everyone makes.”
um. okay. I give up. exactly what are you arguing here?
Regnad Kcin
December 10th, 2012
11:10 am
“Why would anyone ever want to get a job if you are going to pay them more not to work?”
This is an insult to anybody who lost their job during the recession. If you can’t answer this question your self, you’re stupider than I thought. And my opinion was already pretty low…
getalife
December 10th, 2012
11:10 am
“make the stupid stop.”
Sadly, that will not happen until the old white cons die off of natural causes.
Our younger generation are much smarter than these old cons.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
11:11 am
DannyX – (polite golf clap)
well played, sir!
JKL2
December 10th, 2012
11:12 am
saywhat?- Why is the right wing solution the one which calls for the salaries of those doing o.k. to go down, and not the salaries of those struggling to go up? Which would be more beneficial to the country as a whole?
Feel free to raise the minimum wage to $50/hr, just don’t expect me to hire your HS kid for anything.
Why is the left wing solution to punish the rich or anyone who is successful? I fully agree many CEO’s pay packages are completely out of control, but that’s the stupidity of the corporation and not a place for the government to step in.
Brosephus™
December 10th, 2012
11:15 am
Stevie Ray: Are you saying that we shouldn’t cut anything until we get unemployment down?
That’s exactly what I’m saying. I would even state that, if the private sector keeps dragging their asses at putting people to work, I would advocate the government put people to work WPA Style.
Thanks to our “brilliant” business leaders of the past, we are stuck in a consumption based economy. For our economy to grow, we have to consume. We have to have money to consume, and right now money isn’t circulating and getting to the people who need to have it for consumption to do what it’s supposed to do.
Compare our economy to the human body. Money circulates through our economy like blood circulates through the body. One part of the heart is responsible for pushing blood through the entire body, except for the lungs. That blood is oxygen rich, and the body needs it to function. The other part of the heart pumps blood filled with carbon dioxide to the lungs to remove it from the body and replenish the oxygen in the blood. Then the cycle repeats itself.
One part of our economy (private sector) is responsible for pumping money through the entire economy. That money is used to propel the economy forward. The other part of our economy (public sector) pumps money into infrastructure, defense, and other areas to keep things working so that the private sector flourishes.
When one part of the heart stops pumping blood, you end up with a heart attack. When one part of our economy stops pumping money, you end up with an economic attack, which we just had. We can’t sustain ourselves on one half doing all the pumping. When the private sector doesn’t circulate money, then the public sector has to work that much harder to keep the economy going. At some point, people have to quit blaming government and look at who’s really failing to do what they’re supposed to do.
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2012
11:15 am
“make the stupid stop.”
Sadly, that will not happen until the old white cons die off of natural causes.
Actually, when it comes to Social Security, one really does not hear the stupid “it’s a Ponzi Scheme” talking point so much any more.
I think that’s one area where the so-called liberal media might’ve managed to educate enough people about how it’s actually funded, so that the assertion has become pretty laughable.
Or maybe Neal Boortz isn’t bothering to repeat it as often as he used to.
Brosephus™
December 10th, 2012
11:17 am
dB
Oops.. Forgot about that part.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
11:18 am
” I fully agree many CEO’s pay packages are completely out of control, but that’s the stupidity of the corporation and not a place for the government to step in.”
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight … just like with toxic waste and safe food … the corporations can OBVIOUSLY police themselves.
Morality?
December 10th, 2012
11:18 am
CNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox announced this back before the recent elections – disability rolls up during the economic slow down.by 1/3rd…… as gotten from gub’ment reports. DISABILITY is the new welfare. My wife’s a P.A. and says that “patient’s” are coming to her clinic demanding to be put on “disability” like their sister, cousin, friend, etc. is. They want a letter from the Doctor to get them on disability. Once they get that letter it’s simple to get on the gub’ment payroll and pretty much unchecked for the rest of their lives. Works for the doctor too. Because the “disabled” visits to doctor forever and the Doc gets paid by the gub’ment. Lawyers are coming out of the wood work and advertising on T.V. promising to get you on the disability you “deserve” and SUPER SIZING your payment. YES some belong on disability – many do not and the gub’ment is not checking behind them to see if they are actually disabled years later.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
11:19 am
“CNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox announced this back before the recent elections – disability rolls up during the economic slow down.by 1/3rd…… as gotten from gub’ment reports”
then you should have no problem providing us with a link … heck, loads of links …
g’head … we’ll wait …
F. Sinkwich
December 10th, 2012
11:19 am
“Why is the left wing solution to punish the rich or anyone who is successful?”
Simple.
It makes moonbats feel good, and feeling good is much more important than facing reality.
Regnad Kcin
December 10th, 2012
11:20 am
“CNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox announced this back before the recent elections – disability rolls up during the economic slow down.by 1/3rd…… as gotten from gub’ment reports”
Morality says he can’t find as link for you…
JKL2
December 10th, 2012
11:22 am
getalife- Fix your party and leave the governing for the adults you con children.
I didn’t know the definition of governing was ignoring reality and doing nothing.
Thanks!
Regnad Kcin
December 10th, 2012
11:22 am
““Why is the left wing solution to punish the rich or anyone who is successful?”
Sure – that’s why “the left wing” hates Colin Kaepernick…
*sigh*
Morality?
December 10th, 2012
11:24 am
I will voluntarily give up 1% of my pay check for every 1% Obama reduces the Fed spending. Not too worried about starving based on his results so far.
barking frog
December 10th, 2012
11:26 am
Morality? 11:18
could it possibly be that many workers that qualified for disability
continued working so they could pay their own way or earn more
than disability benefits ?
Lance
December 10th, 2012
11:27 am
Jay, I think the blueprint to win majorities in the Senate and House was presented by the Democrats in 2006. After the Bush White House was very bullyish during his term in office, the Democrats simply fought back more after Senator Kerry had shown where to attack President Bush. Following Katrina, the Harriet Myers nomination to be the Supreme Court Justice, and Bush losing a majority of support after the immigration debate, Democrats basically fought everything in 2006. Republicans saw the Democrats use the power of the filibuster, arguments over troop levels in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the increase in the debt limit to rally to end the Republican power in the legislature. In fact, President Obama has admitted that the Debt Ceiling debate, the one where he claimed raising the ceiling was “unpatriotic,” in 2006 was purely politics. Republicans simply utilized the same mechanisms against the Democrats during Obama’s first term. Bu so doing they took away a filibuster proof Senate and won the majority in the House. At this moment, I think the Republicans are simply getting their bearings after an election they thought they could win. Democrats did not desire compromise when they were the Republicans shoes. The biggest wrinkle to this is that Republicans have a majority in the House.
JKL2
December 10th, 2012
11:27 am
granny- You have hope? Now if we could get you to change!
Sorry, no lobotomy in my future. Barring a tramatic brain injury, I don’t see myself sinking to your level.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
11:28 am
“I will voluntarily give up 1% of my pay check for every 1% Obama reduces the Fed spending”
I love it when people spew this kind of BS … I promise to do something that I can’t do just to make myself look like the Big I Am.
meanwhile, how about you cough up some of those links, bub.
Morality?
December 10th, 2012
11:29 am
Wrong! The left does not hate the rich as long as they support the left. AKA Bill Gates, Kennedy’s , Nanny Pelosi, Warren Buffet, etc, – thy do truly despise the rich on the opposite side however.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 10th, 2012
11:30 am
“Morality” — “My wife’s a P.A. and says that “patient’s” are coming to her clinic demanding to be put on “disability” like their sister, cousin, friend, etc. is. They want a letter from the Doctor to get them on disability. Once they get that letter it’s simple to get on the gub’ment payroll and pretty much unchecked for the rest of their lives. Works for the doctor too. Because the “disabled” visits to doctor forever and the Doc gets paid by the gub’ment. Lawyers are coming out of the wood work and advertising on T.V. promising to get you on the disability you “deserve” and SUPER SIZING your payment.”
You really don’t have the faintest idea how government disability actually works, do you?
getalife
December 10th, 2012
11:30 am
“Thanks!”
No, thank you for your service.
Great news, my SS “welfare” went up 1.7 % FOR 13.
I can live large like you.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 10th, 2012
11:31 am
thy[sic] do truly despise the rich on the opposite side however.
When you have to lie to make a point, you really have no point.
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2012
11:31 am
Hmm. I started googling about this “1/3 more of those not-really-disabled/really-just-Negroid-Moochers” talking point cited earlier, and happened upon this:
http://www.ssa.gov/disability/Documents/Semiannual_Report_FY08.pdf
Apparently the number of application backlogs had become so scandalously high by 2007 that the director addressed it in their annual report.
So any massive increase in the number receiving benefits, might’ve had something to do with processing these claims more efficiently. I suspect there might’ve been a decent bump at some point coinciding with Obama’s first term in office, combined with the Big Sh-tpile Collapse of 2007/8 forcing more people out of any kind of work.
But, I can’t find anything about a third more people in a given year, or over Obama’s first term compared to Bush’s last. Maybe someone else will.
barking frog
December 10th, 2012
11:32 am
getalife
we are part of the 1.7%….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 10th, 2012
11:33 am
Lots of truth in this one:
“Those in the lower and middle class who voted for Obama will be the first and hardest hit by a further declining economy.”
Be careful what you ask for …………………..
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 10th, 2012
11:34 am
You really don’t have the faintest idea how government disability actually works, do you?
“My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious. “