Supremes’ ruling on gay marriage important, not critical
The U.S. Supreme Court announced Friday that it hear arguments in two important but very different cases involving gay marriage, raising the odds that it will soon establish the basic legal architecture for how that issue is handled in the future.
One case, out of New York, addresses how the federal government must handle gay marriages that are conducted in states where such marriages are legal. The second, out of California, raises the more fundamental question of whether gay marriage is a right protected under the Constitution’s promise of equal protection.
Given the range of legal questions at stake in those two cases, the court’s final ruling next June could take any number of turns. And you just know that Justice Antonin Scalia is itching to get his hands on this issue.
However, it is also important to point out that however the nine justices decide, all final decisions on the matter will be made by the American people. And they have already made it clear that we will not be going backward on this issue, and that whatever the Supreme Court’s ruling this year, in time the right to marry will be extended to all Americans, gay or straight.
Young people support that right overwhelming. Despite the stern opposition of their church, almost 60 percent of Catholics support it. According to a Pew poll in July, political independents support it by an 11-point margin. Black Americans, long dubious of the notion, also support it in increasing numbers.
As recently as 1996, 65 percent of Americans rejected the notion of gay marriage; only 27 percent supported it. Yet in the July Pew poll, 48 percent of Americans supported it and just 44 percent opposed it. That is an extraordinary shift in public opinion in just 16 years, on an issue that that you might think people might be stubborn about.
So do your worst, Justice Scalia. At worst, you and others can temporarily affect the pace of the change that is taking place across this country. But you cannot affect the final outcome.
– Jay Bookman
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Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
9:31 pm
@josef
Thank you that was kind.
I was a bit bemused to learn, after 9 years of studying French, that LA French (and it got worse the further North I went) is very different than what they speak in N.O.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
9:31 pm
And here and now in today’s world the white male dominated European nations are the most enlightened, the most civilized, and the most tolerant towards minorities and women’s rights relative to the rest of the world. And that ma’am is not debatable.
That situation is not because of conservatives. it is owing to progressive ideas and laws. It is because progressives are defending those rights against the onslaught of GOP’s regressive laws and misguided conservatives. We also see what happens in Africa as a result of the “white man” conservative action plans in Nigeria. A sad and very debatable point.
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:31 pm
DDR
The tulips? I knew that…and they came from Turkey…
Did you ever catch any of James Burke’s “Connections?” If not, check it out…here’s a link to the first episode…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcSxL8GUn-g
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
9:36 pm
“Did you ever catch any of James Burke’s “Connections?” If not, check it out…here’s a link to the first episode”
Loved that series! And the books are even better, because they’re more detailed.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 8th, 2012
9:36 pm
Headline (ABC): “Gay Marriage: Will Justices Follow Popular Opinion?”
Let’s hope not or our Republic form of government will have become a pure democracy which is what our founding fathers most feared.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
9:36 pm
Look before I leap,
I’ll respect your opinion but with all due respect it sounds to me like you haven’t seen ND play much. Their offense is horrific for the most part. They simply will not be able to move the ball on the Bama D and certainly not with any consistency. I honestly wonder if they can score against Bama.
Their defense is incredibly tough in the front 7 but with Bama pounding on them all day with our O-line eventually we will break them just like we broke Georgia. My guess is that they will begin to really wilt in the 3rd qtr and in the 4th qtr they will be fully broken.
As for Bama being cocky that’s just our fans. The team itself is going to be focused. You don’t want to face Nick Saban when he’s had 40 days to get ready for you. Just ask LSU last year in the title game. They just got stomped on like a bug in the rematch.
Bottom line is that ND simply does not have the firepower to move the ball with any consistency against the Bama D. And that will ultimately be their undoing as we work on that defense all game long. We’ve got the nation’s no. 2 guy in passing efficiency I think in McCarron and not one but 2 1,000 yard rushers. We’ve got 3 O-lineman that are all Americans and all 3 are projected to go 1st round or early 2nd round at the latest. This one has the potential to get ugly.
RF
December 8th, 2012
9:36 pm
“And here and now in today’s world the white male dominated European nations are the most enlightened, the most civilized, and the most tolerant towards minorities and women’s rights relative to the rest of the world”
Dominated how? In numbers? That is changing, and has a number of those white males very, very worried. Which would explain their zeal for passing all sorts of far-right legislation in many states of late. Other than that, there aren’t as many countries left that the whites outnumber the rest in the numbers they even one generation ago. One might interject here that you sound a wee bit like the Fuhrer in your belief that the white male dominated countries somehow have a monopoly on civility and fairness to all.
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
9:38 pm
First off, I won’t even BEGIN to go into African History, Timbuktu, Mali empire, Songhali, Cote de Ivorie, Sudan or Ethiopia. I’ll just let you believe what you want about those.
But i WILL hash out this point that you brought up:
But I’m not talking about history. I’m talking about here and now. And here and now in today’s world the white male dominated European nations are the most enlightened, the most civilized, and the most tolerant towards minorities and women’s rights relative to the rest of the world. And that ma’am is not debatable
Firstly, the “truly” European countries are very small and not that white anymore. Denmark comes to mind…………
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
9:39 pm
“We also see what happens in Africa as a result of the “white man” conservative action plans in Nigeria. A sad and very debatable point.”
Aaaah. The blame whitey and blame America first crowd at work again. It never do get old do it cockaroacha.
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:43 pm
LOOK
When Le Conseil pour le développement du français en Louisiane was formed to protect, preserve and develop French in the state, the biggest problem they ran into was WHICH French. It was finally decided that for education purposes, while all the dialects would be taught in the French immersion schools, the language of instruction would be the academic standard. The problem was, very few people spoke it as the language of daily discourse and even fewer were prepared to teach using it. Thus, they had to “import” teachers from abroad.
td
December 8th, 2012
9:44 pm
Here is a secular educated argument about why it is not a valid state interest to support gay marriage.
” But do all people have the right to marry whomever they want already, with the exception of same-sex couples? No; states have laws regulating marriage, forbidding first cousins from marrying, brothers and sisters from marrying, parents and offspring from marrying, and people from marrying animals, inanimate objects, or multiple other individuals.”…
“Why is marriage regulated by the government at all? In fact, not only are there restrictions on certain types of marriages, but there are incentives for heterosexuals (not falling into the categories above) to marry. Why should the government encourage — through tax breaks and other benefits — some types of marriages while banning others? The rationale is that males and females, when married, are more likely to procreate, thus ensuring the continuation of American society. It is certainly to America’s advantage to have citizens, so there exists a compelling state interest justifying government subsidization of heterosexual marriage. The banned types of marriage are similarly rationalized; offspring from family members who marry are significantly more likely to be sterile, thus unable to continue the proliferation of society, or otherwise impaired. It is therefore not in the interest of government to encourage these types of marriages.”….
“It should be obvious, by this point, which category gay marriage falls into. Same-sex couples are unable to procreate, meaning that there is no compelling interest to subsidize their marriages. At this point, many would argue that the happiness of same-sex couples would be enhanced by gay marriage, thus providing a compelling interest. This, in fact, is not the case. The government has already shown through prohibiting certain types of marriage that it does not view enhanced happiness as a compelling enough interest to encourage marriage of any kind. After all, if “enhanced happiness” was a compelling interest, it could be used to justify government subsidization of chocolate, which is proven to increase happiness through the release of certain endorphins. In fact, one could argue that the government should subsidize anything and everything that makes someone happy. Thus, “enhanced happiness” can clearly not be considered a compelling enough interest to justify the recognition and, therefore, subsidization of gay marriage.”
http://tech.mit.edu/V131/N29/normandin_cp.html
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December 8th, 2012
9:44 pm
Debbie:
You left out “West Virginia”.
getalife
December 8th, 2012
9:44 pm
scout,
Our President won so they will probably approve it.
What does it got to do with you?
Are you gay wanting to get married?
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
9:45 pm
“Firstly, the “truly” European countries are very small and not that white anymore. Denmark comes to mind…………”
Nope. Most countries in Europe are still considered Caucasian. Now of course they aren’t as dominant as they used to be with the expanding Muslim populations that are blowing shyte up but they are and will remain caucasian for a long time to come. And if there ever comes a day when say the Muslims outnumber the French in France for example well that would just be too bad for France. They would go back in time to the repressive, brutal, and hateful type of dictatorships that we see all over Africa and the Middle east. And the people that would suffer the most-women.
FSUbRaVe
December 8th, 2012
9:46 pm
doesnt matter how many americans agree with gay marriage, that doesnt mean they are right…it is more proof of society collapsing….there is hope homosexuals and others caught in sexual sin…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 8th, 2012
9:47 pm
td:
Nice try but it will fall on deaf ears.
In any case, gays/lesbians have exactly the same marriage rights as I do.
A male gay can marry a female lesbian !
What they really want is “additional” rights.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
9:47 pm
“The blame whitey and blame America first crowd at work ”
Looks like someone is feeling insecure in their whiteness
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
9:48 pm
getalife
It would probably baffle the mind to know the “activities” of some of those who have fought and will continue to fight this issue………..
getalife
December 8th, 2012
9:48 pm
White powder!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 8th, 2012
9:48 pm
getalife:
“Our President won so they will probably approve it.”
You mean the Supreme Court should make its decisions based on which president wins?
What civics course did you take in high school or college ?
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
9:49 pm
Well – I also like gay porn! I even like the dominatrix stuff!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
9:49 pm
Doggone, yep…the poor persecuted white man.
And one that tries to take credit for progressiveness as if only the “white man” is responsible for it. 
getalife
December 8th, 2012
9:51 pm
scout,
Deal with it.
Majority rules.
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
9:51 pm
get
seems some will fight like hell to keep their own “activities” in the “closet”
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
9:52 pm
“Doggone, yep…the poor persecuted white man”
Doesn’t your heart just bleed for them?
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:53 pm
DDR
Speaking of the layers of history…are you familiar with Fisher v Allen?
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
9:54 pm
Did you ever catch any of James Burke’s “Connections?” If not, check it out…here’s a link to the first episode
LOVE IT!! Thank you than you thank you!! You always hip me to the bestest stuff!!
getalife
December 8th, 2012
9:54 pm
Both,
More self defeatism.
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
9:55 pm
Will check back in tomorrow, maybe someone will have posted a reasonable response as to how & why gay marriage would change their life , belief and what they teach in their home if it were made legal nation wide tomorrow without going to the slippery slopes bull crap posted here today and many other times in the past…………….
peace
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:55 pm
DDR
And you me…!
RF
December 8th, 2012
9:55 pm
“but they are and will remain caucasian for a long time to come”
Considering the rate of reproduction, I’d say it will change vastly in the next generation or two, and then whatever will the white males do? It doesn’t help that a fair percentage of them are gay…
“In any case, gays/lesbians have exactly the same marriage rights as I do.”
If there were a dumba$$ statement of the day’s thread award, that would have won it. If that were true, then this debate today wouldn’t have been happening, and you know it.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
9:57 pm
doggone, especially as they try to claim some moral high ground, ignoring past history and the overall fact that others have had to drag them toward the light and their current efforts to crawl back into the dark. But hey, I am sure the woman suffrage movement was about the persecuted conservative white male.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
9:58 pm
“That is changing, and has a number of those white males very, very worried.”
Nope. That is your imagination speaking and how you assume other people think. I will say though that the one fear that whites do have is that a less white America would politically reflect more of the 3rd world with its rampant corruption. I think there is a fear that if we resembled say Mexico that we would descend into the kind of corruption and chaos that Mexico has constantly experienced. In other words that we would regress to 3rd world status and 3rd world politicing. Otherwise I feel your views are misplaced. You think white males are worried just to be worried.
“Which would explain their zeal for passing all sorts of far-right legislation in many states of late.”
And what would be these “far-right legislative” extremes that you speak of? For example is it extreme to expect our national borders to be protected?
“Other than that, there aren’t as many countries left that the whites outnumber the rest in the numbers they even one generation ago.”
There’s plenty- North America, Europe, Australia, etc. You seem to want to act like the reduced influence of white males around the globe is somehow a good thing. I don’t see how given that our nations are far more tolerant than in the rest of the world.
“One might interject here that you sound a wee bit like the Fuhrer in your belief that the white male dominated countries somehow have a monopoly on civility and fairness to all.”
I didn’t say we have a monopoly on civilized behavior. Japan and several of the East Asian nations are modern, civilized nations to be admired.
I think you bringing in the Fuhrer reference is just more of the Nazi crap libs like to make up off the top of their head. You should read up on Godwin’s law and learn why it makes you look foolish with that reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law
All I’m saying is that some of you libs seem to take delight in hoping to see diminished influence of the white male in the world. My question is why given that the white male dominated nations are the most tolerant?
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
9:59 pm
“doggone, especially as they try to claim some moral high ground, ignoring past history”
Yeah, I ran into something like that same attitude in my parents when I took them to see “Unto These Hills” – they were more than a bit upset at the portrayal of the White people.
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
10:01 pm
OMG! Now they’re chronicling the advent of how Shah Jahan made the Taj Mahal!
To go inside is on my bucket list.
However, i found out, through PBS, that ever since 9/11 and the threats to various world treasures, it’s closed to the public.
to me, the story of the taj mahal is one of the most romantic in all the world….
============
SoCoBro – Hey, so I have a dark side……… (shrug & a smile)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
10:02 pm
Vaginas are going to protect our borders? Hmmmmm… chafing is now morphing into border defense. Its Jurassic Park meets Terminator all over again.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
10:03 pm
“Considering the rate of reproduction, I’d say it will change vastly in the next generation or two, and then whatever will the white males do? It doesn’t help that a fair percentage of them are gay…”
Nope. I think we had this discussion and I believe it said that by 2050 that whites will achieve a 49% minority for the first time.That’s about 2 generations away and you don’t know if those birth rates will hold. As the immigrants become more successful by their 2nd and 3rd generations they too will then experience lower birth rates. Demographics do change you know. Doesn’t matter though. We will still be the biggest of several minority groups. But again. Why do you and other libs seem to take delight in waning white male influence considering that white male societies are the most advanced and the most tolerant societies on earth?
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
10:07 pm
“But hey, I am sure the woman suffrage movement was about the persecuted conservative white male.”
Gawd the sandflea says some damn ignorant things. Womans suffrage was achieved decades and decades ago. Lemme know when women achieve equal rights in places like Saudi Arabia where its illegal for them to drive. Lemme know when men in Brazil can no longer get away with murdering adulterous lives by using the “honor killing” defense because the woman’s adultery offended his honor. And learn to live in the present sandflea instead of droning on about when women couldn’t vote numerous decades ago. gawd you are stupid.
josef
December 8th, 2012
10:12 pm
I’m always a bit amused when it comes to this “white minority” thingie. Excepting my three years in the Pacific Northwest, I have never lived in an environment where whites were more than 60% of the local demographic…most have been less than 50%.
The hardest thing for me to get used to up in the Northwest was the fact that being blond, fair complexioned, and green eyed didn’t make me “stop and take a second look” special!
RF
December 8th, 2012
10:12 pm
“I think you bringing in the Fuhrer reference is just more of the Nazi crap libs like to make up off the top of their head.”
Well, when someone promotes white male supremacy, the reference does come to mind…
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
10:14 pm
Its time! Doomy headed out to do some drinking at the local bar. Been fun but I gotta let sandflea and some of the libs get on with their Saturday night kookapalooza of blaming the white male for all of our social ills. hee hee. Night night sandflea. You be a good toy and I’ll play with you again. I promise!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
10:14 pm
now now doomclown… calling posters stupid will get you a red card. But I understand you cannot handle any challenges to your pompous butt fedora with actual information. Again: I can explain it to you by a post but I can not understand it for you.
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
10:15 pm
scout:You left out “West Virginia”.
Explain — I don’t get it.
josef: nope, but I’m ‘googling’ it now.
Doom: I will say though that the one fear that whites do have is that a less white America would politically reflect more of the 3rd world with its rampant corruption.
HUH? I don’t get that. For one our government IS corrupt. Citizens United v. Hillary Clinton was one step. Corporations are people, was another. And the biggie of course, is the whole Con Agra thing. All that is corrupt legislature; the majority of this legislature/veridicts are brought on by white males. Not all, but a big majority. So, corruption comes in all colors.
josef
December 8th, 2012
10:15 pm
DDR
I’ve never had any real desire to go to India, but the Taj Mahal is one of my dream spots…
josef
December 8th, 2012
10:17 pm
DDR
What’s the old line? The dollar is green…
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
10:17 pm
RF,
Gotta go but before show me where I promoted white male “supremacy”. I simply asked you to provide a reason why you think waning white male influence is such a good thing given the fact that the white male led societies of Europe and North America are generally the most tolerant societies in the world. Just explain why you seem to delight in this. I’ll check back tomorrow. Gotta go. My bar stool be calling my name and the crowd I’m sure is chanting and clamoring for Doomy.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
10:19 pm
sandflea,
You started off the evening calling me garbage which is a red card. How quickly you forget. Gawd you are stupid. Toodles!!!!
RF
December 8th, 2012
10:20 pm
“Nope. I think we had this discussion and I believe it said that by 2050 that whites will achieve a 49% minority for the first time.”
And if, as you posit, other cultures will see declining birth rates as they become more “successful”, and that takes more than a generation or two I’d say, then what happens to us white folks in the meantime? If we continue to decline, then by the time the rest see a similar drop, we’ll be a much smaller minority according to your timeline. The only hope is hanging to political power for as long as possible. The shift will be much like South Africa, and probably much more hard fought. In the meantime, there does seem to be quite a bit of frenzy in those states that have a nice conservative majority to push through legislation (like anti-union laws) that favor the rich, white elite.
RF
December 8th, 2012
10:23 pm
“I simply asked you to provide a reason why you think waning white male influence is such a good thing”
I didn’t say it was good OR bad, just a reality that the wise will adjust to and learn to deal with, in my opinion. There just seems to be a frantic nature about the traditional white male leaders of late that seems to be motivated by fear that very soon the women and the minorites might hold as many, if not more, positions of power, and they don’t seem to be accepting it very well.
RF
December 8th, 2012
10:28 pm
DDR @10:15- and I’d bet the farm that Mittens was talking to a room full of those “people” when he made the now infamous 47% comments. Between Citizens United and the 2012 campaign, I think conservative “values” have proven themselves. They won the court’s blessing in one and lost over 50% of voters in the other.
Jm
December 8th, 2012
10:28 pm
Liberals are so dumb
“So do your worst, Justice Scalia”
Who’s to say Scalia won’t vote in favor of gay marriage?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 8th, 2012
10:35 pm
Debbie:
“West Virginia”.
Just being sarcastic ………… W.Va. as a European country.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 8th, 2012
10:36 pm
getalife:
“Majority rules.”
Of course a majority of Supreme Court justices ruling on a case makes it the law of the land.
But they don’t do that based on who just won the presidency.
Geez !
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
10:46 pm
awwwwh poor wittle doomsy claims I called him garbage…
I guess he demonstrates the stupidity of his comprehension. But he’s welcome to prove that I did…you know after his little Perry Mason diatribe. Drinking and posting don’t work for you child.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 8th, 2012
10:50 pm
Good Fight:
“Drinking and posting don’t work for you child.”
Maybe you can help getalife too.
getalife
December 8th, 2012
10:50 pm
scout,
Good luck beating Ted Olson.
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
10:52 pm
Between Citizens United and the 2012 campaign, I think conservative “values” have proven themselves. They won the court’s blessing in one and lost over 50% of voters in the other.
Word.
scout – OOOOHHH! Now i get it!
josef — Just the STORY behind the Taj Mahal is the most romantic thing EVAH!! To love some one so much that you’d not only want the world to know of that love, but you want to leave a monument to it so that everyone will see it forever…………Sigh……………… Makes you feel like Veronica!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
11:00 pm
Now now Senior Digits, bearing false witness is a sin. Not very honorable of you. We know that Doom has blogged here drunk a few times.
Fred ™
December 8th, 2012
11:04 pm
Well I see Keep is still here. He counts as a real person lol. As do Scout and Debbie…… getalife. i guess I asked my question too soon. Sorry.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
11:09 pm
Fred, doomclown left so you can cross off one of those non-real persons you were asking about (I wont use the term you used because the poor child will cry again, but it fits).
Edward
December 8th, 2012
11:14 pm
It is truly amazing that the people here crowing about their superior morality actually demonstrate nothing of the sort. When did it become the conservative mantra to spew lie after lie, obfuscate and deceive, while claiming to be vanguards of truth and decency? You people are truly disgusting, but so typical of “white” Georgia.
Orange12
December 8th, 2012
11:22 pm
Edward,
You sound as if some “white” person just beat your ass. With people like you, racism will never end.
ld
December 8th, 2012
11:29 pm
I’ve forgotten what comic said it but I recall that one asserted that gays should have an equal right to be miserable, too.
It is truly sad that the Republican party I once supported no longer exists — it has abandoned indivdiual liberty for women (opposes women’s right to make their own personal, medical and reproductive choices) and it has abandoned equal right under law for all that do not choose a lifestyle that is not view with favor by the zealots without whose votes the minority rich (who are the actual owners of the GOP brand) would have no voter clout.
Paddy O
December 9th, 2012
2:58 am
this is a tricky decision; especially considering past statements made by SC jurists. It appears that federalism would mandate that states make this decision; and since some states have decided to allow gay marriage, then any law which precludes gays from equal rights on the federal level with non-gay married couples would fail the equal protection clause. Most of DOMA will most likely be found unconstitutional.
Paddy O
December 9th, 2012
3:00 am
individual liberty for women? that is ruse for abortionists. does freedom/liberty mean the freedom to kill the inconvenient? dogs usually are given this protection; why not fetuses? and, individual liberty should not mean somebody else paying for your birth control, cheap or expensive.
Paddy O
December 9th, 2012
3:01 am
edward – you must be one of those Al Sharpton kind of bozos.
Willis
December 9th, 2012
7:12 am
If the Justices believe in freedom of thought and choice, of liberty, and equal treatment under the law the decision will be unanimous to rule against the Federal law and the California Prop 8. But of course we know that Scalia, Thomas, Alito and perhaps Roberts will be against these principles.
Should young people really count?
December 9th, 2012
7:13 am
“Young people support the right by over 60%”
Should we really care what young people believe? They are typically way too impressionable based on emotional issues, not positions of fact, another overwhelming reason this population voted for big ears dumbo!
Cherokee
December 9th, 2012
7:20 am
“big ears dumbo!”
While you, of course, on the other hand, are a clear eyed realist, always basing your thoughts on facts; never letting your emotions influence your thoughts and expressed opinions.
Laughable…
Jack ®
December 9th, 2012
7:22 am
Bookman usually leaves the scene of his crime on Friday covering his tracks with some music recommendations: this time he could not resist replaying the old same-sex song one more time for his fade out. It has to be some rather heavy-duty stuff for him to work overtime.
Orange12
December 9th, 2012
7:26 am
“But of course we know that Scalia, Thomas, Alito and perhaps Roberts will be against these principles.”
Not necessarily. After all. Roberts is a “closet Liberal”.
AU Liberal in ATL
December 9th, 2012
7:31 am
I don’t really care too much about this “sin” talk. It’s silly.
Sin is so easily defined. It’s mistreating others…period.
Those who are so absolutely certain that they know the mind of God are dangerous. Think Taliban.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
December 9th, 2012
8:01 am
“Those who are so absolutely certain that they know the mind of God are dangerous. Think Taliban.”
…and Talibaptist…
James T. Kirk
December 9th, 2012
8:10 am
Interesting….
In all my travels, I’ve never seen a group as Hades bent on religious dogma as the: Southern Baptist.
Reviewing the posts by Conservative Christian, anyone who sees religion from a different view is ignorant and/or stupid. Not exactly the warm glowing acceptance of all men and women that you would expect.
As far as gay marriage, fine with me.
Gay people raising children in a positive caring environment? Fine too.
Simply look at the numbers of “lost” kids that come our of heterosexual homes that were uncaring or abusive. We are seeing the results of generational welfare and failed government social engineering.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
December 9th, 2012
8:12 am
But still, all in all, it’s still…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJIYON42QzE
Wait a minute
December 9th, 2012
8:19 am
Your ignorance of Justice Scalia’s judicial philosophy is overwhelming. He sits on the bench and (over and over) rules that it is not the role of 9 judges to make laws, it is the peoples’ right and duty (why should nine people determine law in this country, we’ll leave that to countries run by dictators, mullahs, etc.). How about asking the more pertinent question (as your polls suggest) to liberals…can you avoid the itch to play God and let people vote on things and determine through the ballot box, expressing their opinion and will?
So you are in favor of Supreme Court decisions as long as they agree with your philosophy only? The most important decision the Supreme Court made in this century was stopping the attempted coup by Gore in 2000 to continue to change the rules until under some interpretation he might win. Thank God (er, Supreme Being, Creator)
Do your worst, it is NOT MARRIAGE!!!
December 9th, 2012
8:26 am
Calll it whatever you libs want but it is NOT MARRIAGE in meaning or purpose. End of discussion!!
Marriage is the intimate union and equal partnership of a man and a woman. It comes to us from the hand of God, who created male and female in his image, so that they might become one body and might be fertile and multiply (See Genesis chapters 1 and 2).
PressedOn
December 9th, 2012
8:34 am
If you live in a state that does not recognize common law marriage, there is no way to form a common law marriage, no matter how long you live with your partner. There is one catch: if you spend time in a state that does recognize common law marriage, “hold yourself out as married,” and then return or move to a state that doesn’t recognize it, you are still married (since states all recognize marriages that occurred in other states).
A logical approach for those not wanting to dance in the spotlight.
Ditto to NOT MARRIAGE
December 9th, 2012
8:35 am
…What are called ‘homosexual unions,’ because they do not express full human complementarity and because they are inherently nonprocreative, cannot be given the status of marriage,” …..
indigo
December 9th, 2012
8:46 am
DebbieDoRight
It’s really not that hard to identify humanities’ cream of the crop.
Just look at all the people who have won the Nobel Prize.
Then, determine what color most of them are.
Vashtai
December 9th, 2012
9:00 am
Call it whatever you libs want but it is NOT MARRIAGE in meaning or purpose. End of discussion!!
Luckily you old farts are dying out very quickly, much to the relief of intelligent people everywhere.
Josef, Vashtai is a family name. IIRC, Jane Withers character in the movie “Giant” was also named Vashtai.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
December 9th, 2012
9:09 am
Do your worst and Ditto are prime example of what “Religion” does to our society. Religions are a man made entity that only promotes intolerance, narrow mindedness, and hatred for anyone not like them in beliefs. God is not of one religion. Religions, especially Christian ones, are at best, social clubs and at worst cabals. God made us all, gay and straight, and He made us of many colors. Why do you think that is? To teach us tolerance of others, understanding of those not like us and acceptance of their ways,, which will all lead to love of mankind regardless of differences. God save us from religions.
Doggone/GA
December 9th, 2012
9:14 am
“God save us from religions.”
As someone said: you know you’ve made God in your image when your God hates the same people you do
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
December 9th, 2012
9:24 am
Doggone/GA
December 9th, 2012
9:14 am
Word.
what “Religion” does to our society.
December 9th, 2012
9:29 am
The Ten Commandments are the succinct summary of God’s law given to humanity for righteous living. They represent God’s law, which is higher than any man-made law. Without a recognition of higher law there are no limits on man’s behavior. God and His law restrain both governments and the people governed. Posting the Ten Commandments reminds both the government and the governed of this higher law and, by implication, it reminds them of God.
The first table of the law—the first four commandments—are the duties humans owe to God and we should only be accountable to Him for keeping or breaking them. The second table of the law—the final six commandments—are the duties humans owe to each other and we may be held accountable by society in various ways for failures to keep them. This division is important for understanding the proper reach of government over people’s lives, especially as it pertains to their relationship with God.
Much of the law in America is based directly on the Ten Commandments themselves or principles derived therefrom.
Doggone/GA
December 9th, 2012
9:29 am
Corbin – it’s really sad, the number of people who use their religion of the “Prince Of Peace” to justify hatred, fear and loathing.
Doggone/GA
December 9th, 2012
9:34 am
“Much of the law in America is based directly on the Ten Commandments themselves or principles derived therefrom”
Try again. The first 4 commandments direct worship…where in our laws is that codified? And the reamining commandments are simply common sense directives codified in virtually every book of laws ever written…both from before and after Christianity spread.
td
December 9th, 2012
9:49 am
Doggone/GA
December 9th, 2012
9:34 am
Your hate of Religion is shinning bright. Go ahead and keep your head in the sand and not believe that our laws are based on our Christian heritage. Just shows how really uneducated you are.
Doggone/GA
December 9th, 2012
9:54 am
“Your hate of Religion is shinning bright”
And your knowledge of my attitude towards religion is non-existent. You are mistaking my attitudes towards those who SAY they are believers, but who don’t ACT like they are…for my opinion of the religion they profess, but don’t follow.
Zinc
December 9th, 2012
9:57 am
If straight couples would stop having gay offspring, then we wouldn’t have to worry about gay marriage.
JamVet
December 9th, 2012
9:57 am
Brother Corbin @ 9:09, preach it!
You are a voice of reason and sanity to counteract those of the religious deviants here, who hide behind their Jesus while advocating their hatred of other religions and the non-religious.
Gays and jays won in this last election. And the haters on the right lost. This will continue.
Keep on rockin’ America…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH93dtrCiZ4
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
December 9th, 2012
10:00 am
td,
You are another prime example of religious intolerance. This attitude will be Christianities undoing.
You don’t need religion to worship The Maker.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
December 9th, 2012
10:04 am
Well, I’m off with my mate to find appropriate gifts for our Winter Solstice celebration. See all y’all later
Doggone/GA
December 9th, 2012
10:05 am
And I’m out too…got a lunch date with some relatives I haven’t seen in a long time
PressedOn
December 9th, 2012
10:22 am
To teach us tolerance of others, understanding of those not like us and acceptance of their ways,, which will all lead to love of mankind regardless of differences.
Zoophiles? Pedophiles? Murderers? Thieves? Rapists?
RF
December 9th, 2012
10:23 am
“If straight couples would stop having gay offspring, then we wouldn’t have to worry about gay marriage”
LOL
As long as they’re birthing babies, chances are some of them will be gay. What some can’t accept is that there is nothing that can be done about that fact, so they turn instead to deligitimizing them by denying them legal rights. The thought is, “I can’t stop you from being gay, so I’ll just do everything I can to keep you from being a whole person in the eyes of the law.”
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 9th, 2012
10:26 am
Well, I can’t figure out why them Gays never hit on me. I mean, seeing as how they pinch Thelma and such. I got to be better looking than a guy that’s got a belly that hangs down over his Speedos. Maybe it’s my combover or something like that. Or maybe I need to take a bath more than once a month. Anyway it kind of hurts my feelings. Not that I want to be hit on, you understand.
Anyway, have a good Sabbath everybody.
Brosephus™
December 9th, 2012
10:30 am
Doggone
Why you hatin’ on Jesus an’em??
That was good for a laugh this morning.
PressedOn
December 9th, 2012
10:32 am
The dark side of sexual freedom: American ‘zoophiles’ take on the language of equality
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100108943/the-gay-rights-movement-has-emboldened-americas-bestiality-advocates/
When it all comes to pass, gays will be held responsible.
RF
December 9th, 2012
10:32 am
“Zoophiles? Pedophiles? Murderers? Thieves? Rapists?”
People used to think that allowing interracial marriage would encourage the same things. Actually, the law has become tougher on crimes against children, and there are plenty of laws on the book about murder, theft, rape, etc. It’s conservatives, if you recall, who recently took on the totally disastrous discussion of “legitimate rape.” They would have made it much easier for rapists to get away with it than current law allows. Zoophiles…yeah, that’s as likely to become “legal” as pedophelia, but you can keep dreaming.
Your view of homosexuality is clear when you and many like you choose to link the debate of gay marriage to what are clearly, according to law, illegal activities. I recall studying a lengthy period of our history where we denied those of African descent the basic rights belonging to human beings in this country, and that was as wrong as this issue is. The country survived racial integration without going to pieces. I don’t think allowing gay couples the legal rights given in marriage is going to undo the seams of society either, and you can’t prove otherwise.