Supremes’ ruling on gay marriage important, not critical
The U.S. Supreme Court announced Friday that it hear arguments in two important but very different cases involving gay marriage, raising the odds that it will soon establish the basic legal architecture for how that issue is handled in the future.
One case, out of New York, addresses how the federal government must handle gay marriages that are conducted in states where such marriages are legal. The second, out of California, raises the more fundamental question of whether gay marriage is a right protected under the Constitution’s promise of equal protection.
Given the range of legal questions at stake in those two cases, the court’s final ruling next June could take any number of turns. And you just know that Justice Antonin Scalia is itching to get his hands on this issue.
However, it is also important to point out that however the nine justices decide, all final decisions on the matter will be made by the American people. And they have already made it clear that we will not be going backward on this issue, and that whatever the Supreme Court’s ruling this year, in time the right to marry will be extended to all Americans, gay or straight.
Young people support that right overwhelming. Despite the stern opposition of their church, almost 60 percent of Catholics support it. According to a Pew poll in July, political independents support it by an 11-point margin. Black Americans, long dubious of the notion, also support it in increasing numbers.
As recently as 1996, 65 percent of Americans rejected the notion of gay marriage; only 27 percent supported it. Yet in the July Pew poll, 48 percent of Americans supported it and just 44 percent opposed it. That is an extraordinary shift in public opinion in just 16 years, on an issue that that you might think people might be stubborn about.
So do your worst, Justice Scalia. At worst, you and others can temporarily affect the pace of the change that is taking place across this country. But you cannot affect the final outcome.
– Jay Bookman
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Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
7:59 pm
look before I leap,
True. But how many of those puritans and baptists pre 1820 probably thought abortion was ok? Probably not many I’m guessing.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
8:00 pm
Hmmm…so I understand that because garbage posters pull it out of their butts its better than a citation to authority that they can’t dispute with facts but rather just call them kooks.
Pitiful.
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
8:01 pm
Charlie Crist married a woman — even though there has been many, (myself included) gay rumors concerning him.
They did an expose on him on LOGO a few months back; well not really of HIM more of closeted men in politics…
RF
December 8th, 2012
8:02 pm
DDR @7:55- Many don’t realize the reason for age of consent laws. Pedophilia was probably more prominent then and entirely legal. And some look back and think things were so much better in times when things like that and segregation were legal.
getalife
December 8th, 2012
8:02 pm
del is Si on Duck Dynasty.
Tea party too?
Soothsayer
December 8th, 2012
8:03 pm
Personally, I cain’t see nothing wrong with gettin’ them young girls married off while they’re still young and attractive. You’d best not wait until after they “flower.” Just ask Redneck Convert.
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:06 pm
LOOK
No turn on, eh? But guys in gay porn are better looking? Hmmmm….might want to rethink that post…
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
8:06 pm
Planned parenthood constitutes “a citation to authority”. Damn that’s fun-knee. I can’t imagine what kind of a shyte for brain assclown would believe that tripe.
RF
December 8th, 2012
8:06 pm
“They did an expose on him on LOGO a few months back; well not really of HIM more of closeted men in politics…”
There are a LOT of them in most professions. I went out with a guy once who had some “experience” with some professional sports players in the ATL, but I never checked his research on that. As to Charlie Crist, well, he’s is attractive in that clean-cut nerd with a conscience kind of way.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
8:10 pm
I can’t imagine what kind of a shyte for brain assclown would believe that tripe.
Here’s a suggestion. Go look in the mirror and ask yourself what kind of tripe you believe in. How many are in that small car with you?
Soothsayer
December 8th, 2012
8:11 pm
Well, it seems to me (after the reading the posts for the last hour or so) that most of the negative posts about this subject boil to the fact that God is going to punish homosexuals for living a life of sin.
Lord, if God were to punish everyone who sinned, nobody would get to heaven. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Amen.
RF
December 8th, 2012
8:12 pm
“I do have the admit the guys in gay porn are much better looking than the dudes in str8 porn.”
Well, considering my experience is somewhat biased, I don’t honestly know if that’s true, but it definitely helps sales if the guys and gals are pleasing on the eye in the porn business. Or if the camera can at least make them seem appealing!
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
8:12 pm
“As an aside from what appears to be the ongoing stupidity on this thread…”
Don’t fret Recon: The cons have received a bit of education. Some may have learned something.
Elf on a Shelf is pretty cool.
My wife is a F/A with a major international airline based here in Atlanta and has done the EOAS thing on many international flights. The PAX seemed to respond very well to it.
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:13 pm
RF
“Josef: Safe to assume you got some of the double points?? I suspect that’s one reason you can wear the boa with such confidence!”
Well, I admit I got more than my share of the double points, but alas, I only came in second place…Ricky M, the ho, made up for in quantity what I got in quality… it took a little longer to get the sober ones ready to romp…but, and G-d I wish I could use the term for the category here, when it came to the biggest point winner, well…
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
8:13 pm
“And some look back and think things were so much better in times when things like that and segregation were legal.”
Sickening, isn’t it?
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
8:17 pm
@josef
I am perfectly comfortable complimenting a man on his looks.
Did not always feel that way.
Pretty sure I wont be hanging out at the Heretic anytime soon.
Soothsayer
December 8th, 2012
8:19 pm
This is a depressing time of year. No more college football (that counts at least). The pros will be ending soon. No golf. Before you know it, it will be hockey and basketball. I’d rather watch paint dry than watch basketball or hockey. Whatever will I do . . .
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
8:19 pm
Go look in the mirror and how many are in that small car witcha??? What the F_-k? The kook has gone off the deep end and is speaking garble again. Just another episode of kooks gone crazy brought to you by Doomy.
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
8:21 pm
Frog: If you are looking for a quote such as : Whereas people may own people and they
shall be known as slaves and that will be legal that did not happen but slaves were to be counted as 3/5 of a person appears to recognize that slavery was legal.
Frog and josef – the 3/5th person was for purposes of the Electoral College system. In the south, there were more people (slaves), than in other states — so that the south wouldn’t predominantly have more representation than another state, they made up the 3/5th law.
However that didn’t legitimize slavery.
Frog: and humans marrying humans is not biblical? and besides I was mocking Donovan’s bestiality comment but he doesn’t believe some humans should marry other humans….
That wasn’t my point — and i guess I should’ve copied his FULL comment (and yours) in order to get a background to the point i was making.
I was making the point that in the bible, in Isiah where it talks about when God’s kingdom on earth comes to fruition then the lion wil lay with the lamb; since donovan stated he’d never seen different species of animals being together. I wasn’t commenting on bestiality — or advocating a biblical verse that says that. I’m not that far gone.
Isaiah 11:6
The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.
RF: DDR and Josef: I sho am glad you two are around to run off the crazies. I hate it if I have to get up outa my rocker and go after them. It does disturb a good evenin’ buzz from the mint juleps on the verandah
Hiya RF!!! Happy saturday!
josef: Well, me and DDR does try to work in tandem…it cuts down on squabbles over the boa…
Yes — there’s nothing like a good yellow boa and a nice strong glass of vodka to get a party started!
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:22 pm
LOOK
Back in the day, he used to tell the ones sniffing around me, “yep, and you can look, but you can’t touch. Cause, guess what, it’s mine! Alllll mine. Nyanh-nyanh!”
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
8:23 pm
“Whatever will I do . .”
Return to Tara?
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
8:25 pm
soothsayer,
Look on the bright side. We got 35 bowls and God’s team the Crimson Tide plays Notre Dame in January. It will be the mighty crimson tide’s 3rd BCS national championship in 4 years. How in the hell can one not get excited about seeing the Tide run roughshod over another opponent? How???
“Might makes right”- Nick Saban
RF
December 8th, 2012
8:25 pm
josef @8:13- see, I know why you keep the boa. Quality is ALWAYS better than quantity, in my opinion!!
As to the biggest point winner here, that would be a tough debate!
Bobby
December 8th, 2012
8:25 pm
I don’t think gay marriage is a victory for liberalism as much as simply a victory for what is right in God’s eyes.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
8:26 pm
“Dominate isn’t just a word. Its a lifestyle!”- Nick Saban
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
8:26 pm
RF: DDR @7:55- Many don’t realize the reason for age of consent laws. Pedophilia was probably more prominent then and entirely legal. And some look back and think things were so much better in times when things like that and segregation were legal
Uh huh. That’s those “good old days” that a lot of angry people want to go back to. The days when a white man’s word would beat out the words/eyewitness statements of:
10 Indians
15 Blacks
5 Asians
and
2500 Women.
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:26 pm
DDR
If you go back and look at the arguments from the period you will see that it WAS the 3/5 compromise that was used to uphold the constitutionality of the system…it is in the Constitution, therefore…
Ah, the boa and vodka…I best not do the latter…makes me want to brawl…
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
8:27 pm
@RF
In str8 porn it is all about how big the boobs and booty are. The face is 2nd and proportion does not count for squat.
I like a reasonable bosom and decent tush but am not attracted to the science experiments gone wrong that seem to permeate the genre.
The dudes are even worse – Steve Buscemi types whose only attributes seem to be ..well you know.
I am artist by nature, proportion is everything.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
8:28 pm
“Abandon ye all hope”- Nick Saban
Soothsayer
December 8th, 2012
8:28 pm
Thelma: I think Alabama is going to kick N.D.’s ass. It won’t even be close!
“Return to Tara.” I hadn’t really thought about that.
Oh, well, just over 4 months until the Masters! Hallelujah!
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:29 pm
RF
That point winner I was talking about was in the contest among my friends..i.e. what did HE do…
But it sure would fit here, too!
RF
December 8th, 2012
8:30 pm
“Yes — there’s nothing like a good yellow boa and a nice strong glass of vodka to get a party started!”
And it’s even better when you show up at a party with a bunch of conservative straight folks!! I’m always amazed at how many come to LOVE the boa once the vodka loosens them up!!
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
8:31 pm
Gonna risk getting my condo fire-bombed but I think ND wins by 5.
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:31 pm
Look
As the old queens used to say, “what are you gonna do, paint a face on it and kiss it good night? Throw it over your shoulder and burp it?” There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
8:32 pm
All aboaed, last call for alcohol….
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
8:32 pm
Sooth,
Well of course we’re going to whack Notre Dame. That’s why I wrote that we’ve already won 3 national titles in 4 years. Showing up and spanking that ass is just a formality for the men in Crimson.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
8:34 pm
pardon my ignorance guys – are josef and RF talking about a bad Diana Ross costume or a real snake?
Soothsayer
December 8th, 2012
8:34 pm
If you’re like me, whenever I need to feel inadequate, I always watch a porno flick.
RF
December 8th, 2012
8:34 pm
“That’s those “good old days” that a lot of angry people want to go back to. The days when a white man’s word would beat out the words/eyewitness statements of:
10 Indians
15 Blacks
5 Asians
and
2500 Women”
Preach it girlfriend!! Perhaps part of the angst over all this is due to some fear that the white, heteosexual male may be, in fact, losing his dominance in the world.
josef- @8:29- yeah, I was just speculating a little there. I think some might just have some stories to tell, if they would.
td
December 8th, 2012
8:35 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
7:48 pm
The research is from NARAL and planned parenthood. Not very credible sources when this is about their industry that they want to protect.
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
8:35 pm
In str8 porn it is all about how big the boobs and booty are. The face is 2nd and proportion does not count for squat.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mapj3fKQhr1qkrzhgo1_500.jpg
Sorry, but I just couldn’t resist posting that one…
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
8:35 pm
@josef
Can u pls fwd directions on how to clean small batch bourbon out of a computer keyboard?
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
8:35 pm
look before i leap,
ND has no chance. None. And even if they could win it would be by 1 or 2 pts but certainly not by 5. I can’t see how they can score even 10 pts on Bama. Both are 1-2 nationally in defense but ND is 76th nationally in offense while Bama is 20th nationally in offense. Plus Bama plays in the big, bad, rough and tumble, physical SEC. Notre Dame not so much.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
8:37 pm
Good lord that was bad bro. Still damn funny. But bad.
RF
December 8th, 2012
8:38 pm
“I am artist by nature, proportion is everything.”
Look: I’m with ya!! The unnatural “enhancement” just doesn’t do it for me. I think if God gave it to you, use it. If not, be VERY talented with what you have. As a hetero female friend of mine once said, “hell yeah, size matters. Anything beyond seven inches is gonna be out in the cold!!”
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
8:38 pm
“If you’re like me, whenever I need to feel inadequate, I always watch a porno flick.”
If you are like me, if I ever think I want to change careers….
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:38 pm
RF
But they won’t…and all WE’RE left with is idle speculation….
LOOK
The boa is the feather one…it’s a long running joke that started between me and DDR and once RF came on board, we had to agree that he was indeed welcome to share the boa…
indigo
December 8th, 2012
8:38 pm
Doggone/GA – “and is the mattress under your bed comfortable”
????????????????????????????????????????
I just might have to find you what you’re drinking and order me a case.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
8:40 pm
Lord Bro!
I knew clicking that link would hurt and it did.
Will never be able to watch reruns of the Cosby show again.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
8:40 pm
td, so far all that has been posted to counter it is some feeling pull from the butt of the garbage driver of the clown car.
So here’s a tip. If you want to counter it by challenging credibility of the evidence, you need to do more than just pull out a claim of saying “it’s [whatever]“. One way to do that is to have credible counter evidence. Another is to demonstrated with credible evidence a flaw in the methodology.
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:41 pm
BROSEPHUS
You gonna have to answer for that one on judgment day!
Vashtai
December 8th, 2012
8:41 pm
“And I’m saying let them live their private lives in private without having to redefine traditional values to try and support their abhorrent behavior….” Judge not lest you be judged.
I love hearing the so called conservatives bring the Bible into this discussion. When the appeal of Prop 8 went to trial, the only reasons the proponents could come up with was, “it’s in the Bible,” and “it’s always the way we’ve done it.” Their main argument is, “gay sex is icky.” Hardly good reasons for blocking marriage equality.
SCOTUS knows they were sullied when they imposed their decision on the 2000 presidential election. Roberts was the swing vote on upholding the so-called Obamacare. He didn’t want to be on the wrong side of history. I think he will feel the same way regarding marriage equality. I think they will vote 6-3 in favor of marriage equality.
So all you people who love that your religion is imposed into our laws, enjoy your last hurrah.
The Gay Agenda Moves Forward. After we get full marriage equality, we and our minions will start the grassroot efforts to remove the tax exempt status churches have saddled the people with. The Deficit would evaporate if churches paid their fair share of taxes. We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. Bwahahahaha!
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
8:41 pm
“I just might have to find you what you’re drinking and order me a case”
I would suggest you stop now, before you end up under the table
RF
December 8th, 2012
8:42 pm
@Bro 8:35- if I ever thought about being curious about the straight life, you just ended that!! LOL That was tooooo funny. Scary thing is, there are those who wouldn’t care one bit about the face.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
8:42 pm
“Perhaps part of the angst over all this is due to some fear that the white, heteosexual male may be, in fact, losing his dominance in the world.”
Won’t happen anytime soon. And lets hope not. The white male dominated nations of Europe and North America are the most civilized and modernized nations on earth. And what’s more is that they treat women and minorities in their nations much better than the men in Africa, Asia, or Latin America treat women and minority groups in those nations. Just an uncomfortable truth but an uncomfortable truth that bothers people nonetheless. Especially the ones who wake up every day looking to be mad at white males.
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
8:45 pm
josef @ 6:26 — yes and NO. We are both right and both wrong on one salient point. Slavery was given a nod in the south because of the Electoral College votes/Representation like i said; but if the North would’ve allowed the south to count their ’slaves” as a full person, then slavery would’ve been gone a lot sooner.
Recall that in the “Great Compromise,” it was determined that representation in the House of Representatives would be based on the population of each state. After the convention approved the Great Compromise, Madison wrote: “It seems now to be pretty well understood that the real difference of interests lies not between the large and small but between the northern and southern states. The institution of slavery and its consequences form the line of discrimination.” This division over slavery led to the “3/5 Compromise.”
Of the 55 Convention delegates, about 25 (almost half!) owned slaves. The delegates from Southern (slave) states wanted to counts slaves as part of their population. This would give the Southern states additional representatives in the U.S. House of Representatives
Delegates from the Northern (Free) states strongly opposed this, arguing that if slaves had no rights to vote (or any other rights of citizenship) then the South should not be given additional representatives in the House. Also, the North feared that counting slaves as part of the South’s population would allow the South to have enough representatives in the House to out-vote the North on issues regarding slavery. The South likewise feared that not counting slaves as part of their population would give the South too few representatives in the House, thus allowing the North to out-vote the South on issues regarding slavery. The compromise they reached would arbitrarily count each slave as 3/5 of a person. Thus, neither North nor South fully got their way, as slaves were counted in part toward population when determining how many representatives the free whites should have in the House of Representatives. Hence the name “3/5 compromise.” Not wanting to put the word “slave” in the Constitution, the delegates agreed the Constitution would state that population would be determined by counting the number of “free Persons . . . plus three-fifths of all other Persons . . .” Of course, if one is an “other person” rather than a free person, obviously the “other person” must be “not free”; in other words, a slave.
The North and South also divided over whether the new national legislature (Congress) would be able to regulate (and thus perhaps outlaw) slavery. The North wanted the legislature to be able to regulate slavery, and of course the South did not want the legislature to have this power.
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/slavery2.html
MC
December 8th, 2012
8:47 pm
If I were gay, I would console myself with the fact that I didn’t have to get married.
indigo
December 8th, 2012
8:47 pm
Brosephus
I’m not saying this man/boy thing will be legal anytime soon. And, it’s true our society, at this time, would never condone such a thing. And, I would march in the streets to stop it, like most people would.
However, there was a time when a lot of people said “never” when it came to school integration, women’s right to vote and gays openly out of the closet.
It’s just a matter of time until some politician, realizing his district is loaded with pedofiles and politically correct voters, makes the first move in this direction. And, before you say “that won’t happen”, remember politicians will do and say anything to get elected.
(you don’t really think all the politicians in these states allowing gay marriage actually approve of it, do you?)
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:47 pm
RF
Thass funny!
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
8:49 pm
Jeez. Is that little sandflea still nipping at my ankle. He’s a pesky little flea he is.
RF
December 8th, 2012
8:49 pm
“And what’s more is that they treat women and minorities in their nations much better than the men in Africa, Asia, or Latin America”
I might have to give you some on that point, but I feel certain that might be a bit of a broad statement. I agree with the general notion though. But let’s face it, in this country, the white population isn’t reproducing as fast as others and will be a statistical minority in not too many years. But then there is always apartheid- the British made that work for an impressive period of time.
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:50 pm
DDR
Kind of interesting from the cultural history and legal points of view that we are still there…even if the 13th Amendment DID settle that question, eh?
getalife
December 8th, 2012
8:51 pm
morsy caved.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
8:51 pm
“However, there was a time when a lot of people said “never” when it came to school integration, women’s right to vote and gays openly out of the closet”
Sometimes “never” is relative, not absolute
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:51 pm
DDR
BTW, thanks for that read…
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:53 pm
getalife
He did? That’s a positive (sort of) bit of news…
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
8:53 pm
I am artist by nature, proportion is everything.
Oooh I like that………. sounds kinda kinky!
Is that a proportionally correct item in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
td
December 8th, 2012
8:53 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
Just as creditable as your source of evidence.
http://www.grtl.org/docs/roevwade.pdf
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
8:54 pm
@josef
Thanks for clearing that up.
So, let me get this straight (NPI), you are a gay, jewish, coon’ass, hillbilly, feather boa wearing lib?
Absolutely NO offense meant in that query. But I am a data geek/freak – we live to categorize – Think Big Bang Theory meets Oracle.
RF
December 8th, 2012
8:55 pm
“It’s just a matter of time until some politician, realizing his district is loaded with pedofiles”
Okay, we lived that period of history before age of consent laws. Read above for that discussion. If there were a district “loaded with pedophiles”, I think you’d also have a district loaded with prisons. That is a ridiculous argument, and I’m sure you know it. Just another straw to grasp at, and a short one to boot.
(you don’t really think all the politicians in these states allowing gay marriage actually approve of it, do you?)
They don’t have to approve of it, but the do have to represent voters who might. And if enough of them do, it is the job of the representative to know that and vote accordingly. If not, then his constituents have the authority to vote him out of office, as many do.
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
8:55 pm
Re my 8:35 post:
I figured everybody here needed to laugh for a minute or two. These kinds of discussions tend to get heated. Sometimes, you have to stop and laugh at life. Someone scarred my brain with that image, and I wouldn’t be Brosephus if I had not shared that image with friends.
————————-
indigo
I’ll say it again. I understand where you’re coming from. Most any other area, and I would agree with you. When it comes to children though, I think it would be a long, long time before any legislator attempted to think about possibly submitting legislation that would open that door.
Example 1: The UN Disability thing that just blew up in the news. Given that the UN modeled their resolution based on our own Disabilies Act, and the treaty is worded and designed so that it would not be enforceable over our law, there were still people too skittish at the “idea” that the UN would somehow control people with disabilities here.
If legislators go beast mode crazy with something like that, what do you think they would do to something that would remotely lead to possible harm being done to children?
josef
December 8th, 2012
8:56 pm
Vashtai
Where did you get that handle…? Fill me in…I have my own reason for asking…
getalife
December 8th, 2012
9:00 pm
Johnny Heisman.
SEC!
He beat Alabama but could not beat LSU!
RF
December 8th, 2012
9:00 pm
“So, let me get this straight (NPI), you are a gay, jewish, coon’ass, hillbilly, feather boa wearing lib?”
The most interesting kind!!
The only thing more challenging is being a gay Southern Baptist…you have to hide the boas.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
9:00 pm
I just read a book with a character named Vashtai…. eerie.
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:01 pm
LOOK
“you are a gay, jewish, coon’ass, hillbilly, feather boa wearing lib?”
Not a coona33, French, but not Cajun…but gay, Jewish, hillbilly feather boa wearing Plantation Liberal delusional lickspittle…
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
9:02 pm
Won’t happen anytime soon. And lets hope not. The white male dominated nations of Europe and North America are the most civilized and modernized nations on earth
Right now I’m watching, on the history channel, Mankind the story of all of us, and they’ve proven that theory to be a lie.
When Europeans made contact with other civilizations, the Egyptians, the Chineese, the Muslims and the Aztecs, this is when they became civilized.
========================
josef: BTW, thanks for that read…
NP! I love the law, history, and the history of laws! Makes me hot!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
9:03 pm
Well td, congrats you are beginning to understand evidence.
But grasshopper, the “pulled from the butt” clown claimed that there were few illegal abortions. I countered with evidence to contradict that unsupported claim. Now you cite to a group that claims to question the evidence but they do not show their work. Here’s a second tip: Just because its on the internet does not mean that it is true. But I invite you actually counter the information with an analysis that is more than just “we don’t think its right”.
getalife
December 8th, 2012
9:04 pm
josef,
He canceled the order.
He caved.
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:04 pm
LOOK
It was my paternal grandmother’s name (she spelled it Vashti). She named two of her own daughters Yael and Lillith…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
9:04 pm
Legislative history is DDR’s porn? oh how very sad.
Jimmy Foley
December 8th, 2012
9:05 pm
You ignorant people that have never been around gay folks think they choose to be the way they are. You people that follow the bible completely ignore all of the murdering and pillaging in the name of “God” that goes on in the Bible and only choose to follow what you’ve been trained to follow. I am a straight man and don’t particularly care to be around gay people, but I am smart enough to know that they did not choose to like the same sex they just do. So, if marriage is such an institution why does the more Christian leaning south have the highest divorce rate in the country? Marriage between a man and a woman has not been treated with much respect for a long time in this country so why not let two men or women get hitched if they want to. The guy that cuts my hair has been with his husband longer than most straight couples I know.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
9:06 pm
@josef
Merci pour l’insight. Excusez moi pour mon mauvais français, il a été de nombreuses années, depuis que j’ai eu à parler.
getalife
December 8th, 2012
9:06 pm
I should add the morsy power grab after a dictator was one of the dumbest moves I have seen since mitt said facts don’t matter and hid his taxes.
Just dumb.
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:07 pm
getalife
Aw right!!
DDR
Excellent program…
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
9:11 pm
Sandflea thinks he countered with evidence. Um. No. He did not. He countered with some complete BS from planned parenthood and some other abortion rights groups that is blatantly biased. How damn dumb can this assclown possibly be??? Jeez.
Also if you read td’s article its from an anti abortion group. But their research comes from govt data such as the center for vital statistics and govt stats on the number of women who died from maternity related deaths. Somehow or another assclown doesn’t understand the difference between a kook left group making up their own stats and a conservative group using govt stats to make their case. God save us from assclowns like this.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
9:12 pm
“The only thing more challenging is being a gay Southern Baptist…you have to hide the boas”
I suspect Cosmo’s don’t go over real well at Wednesday night social either.
As one who was once a member of the SBC, if ur are gay, why do you stay?
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
9:14 pm
“I should add the morsy power grab after a dictator was one of the dumbest moves I have seen since mitt said facts don’t matter and hid his taxes”
No kidding! It’s easy to forget history…but that’s got to be some kind of record
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:16 pm
LOOK
Ce n’était pas mal … ma famille est française des deux côtés et nous l’avons appris dans l’enfance (ouais, hillbilly français!) La maman de mon papa était en française de la Nouvelle-Orléans.
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:17 pm
oops
était UNE française
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
9:18 pm
doomclown, grown ups are talking here. Why don’t you trot on over to the clown car and drive it over to Kyle’s where they believe buffoonery like yours.
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:22 pm
getalife
Boy, he sure blew that political capital gained in Gaza in one fell swoop, didn’t he?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
9:23 pm
…”Doomy can be quite a blog jackass sometimes. OK maybe many times…”
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
9:23 pm
“Right now I’m watching, on the history channel, Mankind the story of all of us, and they’ve proven that theory to be a lie.”
“When Europeans made contact with other civilizations, the Egyptians, the Chineese, the Muslims and the Aztecs, this is when they became civilized.”
Very true. 5 centuries ago the Chinese had a higher standard of living than the Europeans and were more “civilized”. During Europe’s dark ages the Arabs were going through their golden age and excelled in science and mathematics and gave us the numeral system, algebra, astronomy, etc. European society was revolutionized in part by getting the printing press from the Chinese and the numeral system from the Arabs which was superior to the cumbersome Roman numeral system.
The Sub Saharan Africans have always been backwards ass not because they are naturally stupid but because they had less interaction with other cultures which enables a culture to advance in terms of ideas and technology. Africa’s main water systems outside of the Nile also mostly travel east and west and may be seasonable, thus making inland navigation and trade more difficult and reducing contact with the outside world. Africa also has few natural harbors which also made for a continent that for the most part did not consist of seafaring peoples- except for North Africa. The reasons for advancement have more to do with geography and exchanges with other cultures and peoples than anything else.
But I’m not talking about history. I’m talking about here and now. And here and now in today’s world the white male dominated European nations are the most enlightened, the most civilized, and the most tolerant towards minorities and women’s rights relative to the rest of the world. And that ma’am is not debatable.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
9:24 pm
@Thulsa
The stats don’t back me up and if we were to wager money I would want odds.
But my gut tells me that ND is hungrier and AL is just a bit too cocky.
My 5 pt guess is the totally unpredictable safety netted against ND, on their own 20, down 2 with 2nd and 13 and 1:37 on the clock and a 53 yd heave to the left outside corner.
Next play with hurry up offensive is a right slant to get to FG range – bad coverage and a blown tackle, ND marches into the end zone.
If I am gonna be wrong, let it be said I predicted details.
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
9:26 pm
josef – yeah its great!! Now their doing the history of commodities trading. Who knew it started with tulips in the Neatherlands? This is some great stuff!
Keep: Legislative history is DDR’s porn? oh how very sad
Well – I also like gay porn! I even like the dominatrix stuff! But history is the best ever — cause it really happened. Not like those stories out of playboy.
The Day I Banged The Hot Teen Cheerleader:
Dear Playboy she took one look at me and tore my clothes off and then her and her equally hot friend Bambi……………
getalife
December 8th, 2012
9:27 pm
josef,
Yes, he did.
I doubt it will stop the protests.
They want him gone.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
9:27 pm
Just when I thought sandflea’s meltdown couldn’t get any worse. Don’t worry sandflea- you will always be endeared to me as my favorite toy.
josef
December 8th, 2012
9:28 pm
THULSA
“The Sub Saharan Africans have always been backwards ass”
Always? Timbuktu, Songhai, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe…?
RF
December 8th, 2012
9:29 pm
“I should add the morsy power grab after a dictator was one of the dumbest moves I have seen since mitt said facts don’t matter and hid his taxes”
I thought so too, but I figured he had to try, just to see what would happen. The move to real democratic government, while appealing, isn’t an easy or sudden one. It takes time, and there will be those who promise it but never really intend to deliver. I think he might have learned that perhaps the citizens were really serious about democracy. Time will tell if he really accepts that fact, I suppose.
“As one who was once a member of the SBC, if ur are gay, why do you stay?”
Well, it has a lot to do with being raised in that church and the suspicion the preach about the rest. That and the fact that those who are the most uptight generally tend to be a LOT of fun when you get to finally admit their real interests…but I digress!
Seriously, I think you tend to stick with what is traditional in your life. Even if it doesn’t agree with your current beliefs, there’s something appealing about the nostalgia of the place itself, if not the ideology of those within it. I love going back to the small church I was raised in, and a cousin of mine is the preacher. I can walk in that building and still remember the smell of the place. Many of my kin are buried in the cemetery outside, and that was where I was baptized. I don’t like the views folks there have on my lifestyle, but an inexorable part of who I am was formed there.