Supremes’ ruling on gay marriage important, not critical
The U.S. Supreme Court announced Friday that it hear arguments in two important but very different cases involving gay marriage, raising the odds that it will soon establish the basic legal architecture for how that issue is handled in the future.
One case, out of New York, addresses how the federal government must handle gay marriages that are conducted in states where such marriages are legal. The second, out of California, raises the more fundamental question of whether gay marriage is a right protected under the Constitution’s promise of equal protection.
Given the range of legal questions at stake in those two cases, the court’s final ruling next June could take any number of turns. And you just know that Justice Antonin Scalia is itching to get his hands on this issue.
However, it is also important to point out that however the nine justices decide, all final decisions on the matter will be made by the American people. And they have already made it clear that we will not be going backward on this issue, and that whatever the Supreme Court’s ruling this year, in time the right to marry will be extended to all Americans, gay or straight.
Young people support that right overwhelming. Despite the stern opposition of their church, almost 60 percent of Catholics support it. According to a Pew poll in July, political independents support it by an 11-point margin. Black Americans, long dubious of the notion, also support it in increasing numbers.
As recently as 1996, 65 percent of Americans rejected the notion of gay marriage; only 27 percent supported it. Yet in the July Pew poll, 48 percent of Americans supported it and just 44 percent opposed it. That is an extraordinary shift in public opinion in just 16 years, on an issue that that you might think people might be stubborn about.
So do your worst, Justice Scalia. At worst, you and others can temporarily affect the pace of the change that is taking place across this country. But you cannot affect the final outcome.
– Jay Bookman
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Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
6:30 pm
@td
It is NOT a lie.
There were many, many posts where you used the term “sodomites”.
If you want, I can go find the links to them.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
6:31 pm
“Steven recovered most of the money taken, at significant cost in terms of cash, time and emotional energy.”
Look before I leap,
Well ok then. That’s why I asked. It didn’t seem right that others could take all that money from a joint account when he was on the account. You did not state that he recovered most of his money.
A sad and unfortunate situation all the way around. But I’ve known lots of gays though that had no problem with legalities regarding wills, poa, etc. I’ve had couples that leave possessions, life insurance, POA to their lovers and I have yet to see a problem with that. And for the record I’ve seen a couple of heterosexual couples who lived together but were not married where 1 of the 2 died and essentially the same thing happened. It just didn’t get as nasty as what you mentioned.
I’ve yet to see the poa or will overturned though as long as its in order.
td
December 8th, 2012
6:33 pm
Look before I leap…
December 8th, 2012
6:30 pm
@td
It is NOT a lie.
There were many, many posts where you used the term “sodomites”.
If you want, I can go find the links to them.
Find away because I do not believe I have ever used the word “sodomite” in any blog. This is because I know the definition of Sodomy and it is not exclusive to same sex partners.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
6:34 pm
@td
here u go:
goggled “td galloway sodomites”
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/09/06/god-jerusalem-and-the-democratic-national-convention/
8:53P post
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/09/07/clint-eastwood-barack-obama-a-%E2%80%98hoax%E2%80%99-on-america/?cp=2
12:05P post
td
December 8th, 2012
6:36 pm
What Bill Clinton did with Lewinsky is sodomy.
you can't fix stupid or Democrats
December 8th, 2012
6:37 pm
NO man can change God’s Law. No matter what men might say. Those who indulge in sexual sin ….none will inhert the Kingdom of God..There is a hell for those who follow God’s Laws…
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
6:37 pm
Mr_B,
Good evening. So far you’ve missed an interesting discussion but I’m going to throw you into the debate fire. Are you or are not against a constitutional amendment banning sex and also marriage between fat AND ugly people?
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
6:38 pm
td
Did you not remember or were you lying?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
6:38 pm
Look, here a direct link to one of td’s posts: http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/09/06/god-jerusalem-and-the-democratic-national-convention/#comment-245403
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
6:39 pm
“There is a hell for those who follow God’s Laws…”
Ummmm…..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
6:39 pm
Section 16-6-2 Sodomy; aggravated sodomy
(a) (1) A person commits the offense of sodomy when he or she performs or submits to any sexual act involving the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another.
josef
December 8th, 2012
6:41 pm
Mr B
Shalom! Looking forward to Baby Jesus’ Birthday and two weeks off?
FIX STUPID
“t..here is a hell ”
And if Sartre is right, you and I’ll be locked for eternity together with no exit…
td
December 8th, 2012
6:43 pm
Look before I leap…
December 8th, 2012
6:34 pm
I stand corrected, I have used the term sodomite 2 times over the last 3 plus years posting. Both times were using the words in the correct context in describing the Democratic party and their views towards Religion.
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
6:43 pm
How can you burn in hell forever if you don’t have eternal life?
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
6:44 pm
Perry Mason done got his dander up.
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
6:45 pm
And if you think, in their wisdom, lawmakers and courts would never allow man/boy and other preferences to become legal, just look at the clowns, most of them lawyers, in Washington.
I respond with the same question as I asked earlier. What idiot jackass legislators do you think have the testicular fortitude to lower the age of consent to 9 years old as your example stated earlier? As Doggone stated, children can NOT enter into a legal contract on their own. The only way that will happen is if the age of consent is lowered, and I don’t see it going lower than it already is. Hell, you have people fussing that 16 is too low.
James
December 8th, 2012
6:45 pm
All this talk about what is natural is silly. For a homosexual person, having a partner of the same sex is a natural thing for them. It is how they were made, divine or otherwise.
All this talk about sin is also silly. Those who oppress/deny/or otherwise put down gay people are the ones living in sin! Get a grip. Live your own life. Don’t dictate.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
6:46 pm
Nope, just not tolerating posts of stupidity and childishness from a piece of garbage.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
6:46 pm
td did in fact using the terms sodomites. Twice. That doesn’t constitute “many, many posts” though.
td
December 8th, 2012
6:47 pm
Keep and Look,
My direct quote:
”
td
September 6th, 2012
8:53 pm
You don’t say
September 6th, 2012
6:53 pm
You are full of crap also. It is you libs that think Jesus would approve of killing the unborn and sanction sodomy. That is the biggest lie in the world and then you claim to be a person of faith when more then half of your party are sodomites, baby killers or atheist.”
One of my better ones and very accurate. I will stand by it.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
6:47 pm
Perry Mason in meltdown mode.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
6:47 pm
@Thulsa
It was an excruciating thing to witness.
My wife is a flight attendant and she has many friends who are gay.
When we met my initial reaction was one of tolerant amusement.
And while I don’t think I was ever particularly anti-homosexual, there were quips and tasteless jokes in the locker room in HS and college and in the office.
After I got to know these folks and found them to be funny, educated, witty, hard-working, giving, caring, and very decent people, I felt quite a bit of shame for some the things I said in my youth.
I was wrong to stereotype and pre-judge.
Tainted DeMinted Tea...Tea Ya!
December 8th, 2012
6:51 pm
@td
December 8th, 2012
6:43 pm
Look before I leap…
December 8th, 2012
6:34 pm
I stand corrected, I have used the term sodomite 2 times over the last 3 plus years posting. Both times were using the words in the correct context in describing the Democratic party and their views towards Religion.
====================================================
WHERE is your outrage when PEOPLE have SEX with animals?
Some of you HYPOCRITES are doing far WORSE than having sex with
the same sex.
td
December 8th, 2012
6:51 pm
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
6:45 pm
The only reason the age of consent is 16 now is due to Republican efforts in the Welfare Reform act of 1996. Prior to the act being passed with the carrot of raising the law there were quite a few states (Georgia included) where the age of consent was 14 or less.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
6:52 pm
Nope, but you keep on drinking child.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
6:53 pm
“The only reason the age of consent is 16 now is due to Republican efforts in the Welfare Reform act of 1996. Prior to the act being passed with the carrot of raising the law there were quite a few states (Georgia included) where the age of consent was 14 or less”
Maybe it’s just me…but this reads like you approve of it being 14 or lower
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
6:53 pm
more than twice Thulsa
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/09/06/obama%E2%80%99s-message-tonight-%E2%80%98i-won%E2%80%99t-pretend-the-path-will-be-quick-or-easy%E2%80%99/
9:03P
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
td did in fact using the terms sodomites. Twice. That doesn’t constitute “many, many posts” though.
Correct, but that also debunks td’s own claim @ 6:33 “Find away because I do not believe I have ever used the word “sodomite” in any blog.”
getalife
December 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
Who do you cons think you are?
How dare you judge others.
Self reflect and fix your failed party.
You Can't Legislate Morals
December 8th, 2012
6:55 pm
@td
December 8th, 2012
6:43 pm
Look before I leap…
December 8th, 2012
6:34 pm
I stand corrected, I have used the term sodomite 2 times over the last 3 plus years posting. Both times were using the words in the correct context in describing the Democratic party and their views towards Religion.
==============================================
You Can’t Legislate Morals
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
6:56 pm
Look, a tip, when you find a post you want a direct link to, click on the work “link” below the post and then copy the URL and post it. Then when someone clicks the link, it is direct.
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
6:56 pm
The only reason the age of consent is 16 now is due to Republican efforts in the Welfare Reform act of 1996.
That still doesn’t answer my question to indigo. If he or anybody else is so concerned about a man marrying a child, what legislator will be the one to submit the bill to lower the age of consent? How many Republicans, in the state of Georgia, are going to vote to lower the age of consent so that a grown man can legally marry a 9 year old child?
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
6:56 pm
“Correct, but that also debunks td’s own claim @ 6:33 “Find away because I do not believe I have ever used the word “sodomite” in any blog.””
td drinks quite a bit for a Baptist.
you can't fix stupid or Democrats
December 8th, 2012
6:57 pm
Repent before its to late
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
6:58 pm
Thanks Keep.
Tried that in the past, it bombed my browser.
Have updated to latest patch and will try it going forward.
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
6:58 pm
Seemed like the find away took all of 2 minutes……
You Can't Legislate Morals
December 8th, 2012
6:59 pm
@getalife
December 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
Who do you cons think you are?
How dare you judge others.
Self reflect and fix your failed party.
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getalife
December 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
Who do you cons think you are?
How dare you judge others.
Self reflect and fix your failed party.
getalife
December 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
Who do you cons think you are?
How dare you judge others.
Self reflect and fix your failed party.
Republican Sex Scandals
1.1 2011
1.2 2010
1.3 2009
1.4 2008
1.5 2007
1.6 2006
1.7 2005
1.8 2004
1.9 2003
1.10 2002
1.11 2001
1.12 2000
1.13 1999
1.14 1998
1.15 1997
1.16 1996
1.17 1995
1.18 1994
1.19 1993
1.20 1990
1.21 1989
1.22 1988
1.23 1986
1.24 1982
1.25 1980
1.26 1973
1.27 1925
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:00 pm
“Repent before its to late”
Kind of gives the lie to those that say they aren’t trying to force their religions down our throats, doesn’t it?
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:01 pm
“. Neither fornicators”
Well, when same sex marriage is made legal…those who get married will no longer be fornicators. That will be a good thing, keep them from being damned.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:02 pm
“will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Since as a heathen, I doubt I will inherit anything from God, I’ll just continue to fight for the rights of my fellow citizens on this mortal coil.
Let me worry about my conversation with God come judgement day and you worry about yours.
td
December 8th, 2012
7:02 pm
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
td did in fact using the terms sodomites. Twice. That doesn’t constitute “many, many posts” though.
Correct, but that also debunks td’s own claim @ 6:33 “Find away because I do not believe I have ever used the word “sodomite” in any blog.”
I guess “believe” is an absolute in your book so then it is a total debunking of absolutes.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
7:05 pm
Look before I leap…
December 8th, 2012
6:47 pm
@Thulsa
“It was an excruciating thing to witness.
My wife is a flight attendant and she has many friends who are gay.”
Look before you leap,
Yes. I’m sure it was painful to watch. I would hate to see someone lose their loved one and then go through that type of trauma on top of it. Reminds me of the movie “as good as it gets”. It was just a movie but I’m sure in real life that that scenario has played out many times over.
I get around a lot and in my playa days ran with some hotties and got to know a helluva lot of gays. Obviously damn near every hot woman in Atl it seems has gay friends so you can’t help but know a lot of them. So I had my share of friendships and acquaintenaceships with quite a few gays. Out of all of them there was literally one that I absolutely could not stand. But then gays couldn’t stand his dumbmass so it wasn’t a gay thing. The rest of them I’ve found to be good, honest, hard working, and very caring people. Plus they hang out with hot women so ya gotta love em. I used to go to club anytime and a few other late night clubs one in particular where the dancers used to go and the name escapes me now. I would get my butt pinched a lot but it was worth it given the women in there- I just took it as a badge of honor. Gays are cool with you when they know you and know you’re straight and they set the boundary so I’ve found them all to be good people. The ones I have as clients especially the female ones tend to be among my favorite clients. Good folk for the most part.
td
December 8th, 2012
7:06 pm
Look before I leap…
December 8th, 2012
6:56 pm
“Correct, but that also debunks td’s own claim @ 6:33 “Find away because I do not believe I have ever used the word “sodomite” in any blog.””
td drinks quite a bit for a Baptist.
Sorry to disappoint you but I have witnessed what drinking does to families and therefore I choose not to partake (has nothing to do with my religious beliefs).
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
7:06 pm
I guess “believe” is an absolute in your book so then it is a total debunking of absolutes.
You guess wrong again. Believe is not an absolute. That said, your claim was still debunked. THAT is absolute.
indigo
December 8th, 2012
7:06 pm
Brosephus
Thought experiment.
It’s 1970 and you’re a college student.
A bull session is going on in your dorm.
You say “I believe that in 40 years, at most, gays will be legally married in some states and the Supreme Court will be hearing arguments about gay marriage. And, of course, blacks and whites will be able to legally marry in every state.
That dorm would record and all-time high in laughter decibels.
And, once this got around the campus, you’d be the laughing-stock of the college.
And yet, here we are.
Way too often, the law and courts go crazy in America.
Never say “it can’t happen here”.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:08 pm
“…the age of consent was 14 or less.”
The reason the age of consent was 14, was because when they found Cooter and Sally necking behind the barn, they forced a marriage. NO self-respecting family was gonna tolerate a bast’uhd in the mix. Woulda been a whole lot simpler to provide a widow’s purse and do a little educating about the birds and the bees.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
7:08 pm
“Republican Sex Scandals”
We can’t be that stale and stodgy if we have our own share of freakshows.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:08 pm
“Never say “it can’t happen here”.”
If it ever does, we’ll make sure it never goes into effect. In the meantime, your concern is not proof that you are correct.
sptvnt1
December 8th, 2012
7:09 pm
Guy. First, you need to keep religion as far away from government / politics as possible. I have plenty I’d like to say about people assuming that the government has in some way been structured around the ideals of Christianity, but this, however, is not the forum. Second, practice what your religion preaches. Do not point the finger and call some one a sinner you a hole. According to the Roman Catholic canonized bible, Jesus believed no one was perfect and all people were destined to sin, therefore he sacrificed his life for sinners’ forgiveness and their entrances to heaven. In addition, how dare you point the finger and suggest you know how “God” feels about a sin or person. According to the bible, again canonized by the Roman Catholic Church, judging is also a sin. So, really, who do you think you are? Do you think your sins are somehow better than someone else’s sins? Quit being a disgusting hypocrite and using religion as your right to place judgment. While you think you speak for Christianity there are man many more Christians that beg to differ.
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
7:11 pm
look before I leap……
Well many Baptists drink, they just usually do it when other Baptists are not around
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:13 pm
“While you think you speak for Christianity there are man many more Christians that beg to differ”
You’re missing the mindset of that group. You see, if you think differently then you are not a “true Christian” /snarc
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
7:14 pm
“. Neither fornicators”
Got a lotta repenting to do. Otherwise I’m f_-_-_d.
td
December 8th, 2012
7:14 pm
Look before I leap…
December 8th, 2012
7:08 pm
“…the age of consent was 14 or less.”
“The reason the age of consent was 14, was because when they found Cooter and Sally necking behind the barn, they forced a marriage. NO self-respecting family was gonna tolerate a bast’uhd in the mix.”
And if memory serves me correctly we had a lot less poverty, abortion and divorce in those days then we do today. When a society accepts certain behaviors and does not rebuke the offenders then there are consequences that must be paid.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:16 pm
“have witnessed what drinking does to families”
do u mean excess drinking?
My wife and I enjoy a cold martini on occasion, good wine and I like a good small batch bourbon.
The only disagreement that has come up was who forgot to buy the olives.
td
December 8th, 2012
7:16 pm
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
7:11 pm
look before I leap……
Well many Baptists drink, they just usually do it when other Baptists are not around
They sure do and there is nothing wrong with drinking the sin is getting drunk.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:16 pm
“And if memory serves me correctly we had a lot less poverty, abortion and divorce in those days then we do today”
You’d be surprised how wrong you are
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 8th, 2012
7:18 pm
The only disagreement that has come up was who forgot to buy the olives.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:19 pm
“Well many Baptists drink, they just usually do it when other Baptists are not around”
The old joke is:
Q. What is the difference between Baptists and Catholics?
A. Catholics will talk to each other in the liquor store.
Funny, I have actually witnessed that.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
7:21 pm
“And if memory serves me correctly we had a lot less poverty, abortion and divorce in those days then we do today”
You’d be surprised how wrong you are
Nope. He’s pretty right on at least 2 of those counts. We sure as hell had less abortion and less divorce. There’s no disputing that. As for poverty it depends on when you’re talking about. Poverty is relative and as of late we now have as much or almost as much poverty as we had before all the Great Society programs began. We sure as hell didn’t have 47 million Americans on food stamps. I can damn sure guarantee that.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:21 pm
“And if memory serves me correctly we had a lot less poverty, abortion and divorce in those days then we do today”
In those days, women did not have the right to vote.
That pesky 19th amendment. Screwed us all!
td
December 8th, 2012
7:21 pm
Look before I leap…
December 8th, 2012
7:16 pm
“have witnessed what drinking does to families”
do u mean excess drinking?
My wife and I enjoy a cold martini on occasion, good wine and I like a good small batch bourbon.
The only disagreement that has come up was who forgot to buy the olives.
The problem is not you because you can control your actions, have a good job and am not a drain on society so therefore what you do is not a problem. The problem with drinking, drugs or even sex is we have to many members of society that can not control themselves or their actions and can not handle the consequences and we as a society have to pay for their stupid actions.
josef
December 8th, 2012
7:22 pm
Marriage is relative to the cultural norms of time and place and always has been. When Great Aunt Ada was 12 and married her 14 year old Cherokee beau, it was not exactly kosher by either of the families’ standards, but it was sanctioned by both Cherokee and Oklahoma “white” law…today neither would permit it…yet they lived together in a most successful relationship for some 70 years, raised a passel of young uns,..and not a failure among them… When Mama at 16 married Daddy, it wasn’t exactly kosher, but…when my brother and sister in law eloped at 18 and 17, much the same thing…c’est la vie, say the old folks, it just goes to show you never can tell…
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
7:22 pm
td
Did I say there was something wrong with it or are you just being td………. again?
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:24 pm
“We sure as hell had less abortion and less divorce. There’s no disputing that”
Yes, there is. Especially as refers to abortions. No one was counting back then, but they happened a LOT. And divorces might have been lower, but unhappy marriages were correspondingly higher. And personally, I’ll take the higher divorce rates over living in a place and time when a man could legally rape or beat his wife.
josef
December 8th, 2012
7:26 pm
TD
“They sure do and there is nothing wrong with drinking the sin is getting drunk.”
Nope. The sin is in what you DO when you’re drunk.
RF
The G-d Was I Drunk Last Night Syndrome…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
7:27 pm
doggone, I haven’t looked it up but I believe there were a lot more annulments also
td
December 8th, 2012
7:27 pm
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
7:22 pm
td
Did I say there was something wrong with it or are you just being td………. again?
What are you talking about?
Dharma Bum
December 8th, 2012
7:28 pm
Why aren’t more conservatives with me on this? The government needs to get out of the way and that includes social issues… they shouldn’t be telling people who they can/cannot marry and what women can/cannot do with their bodies…
RF
December 8th, 2012
7:29 pm
“Hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh”
thulsa: I may adamantly disagree with just about everything you type while here at the verandah, but that just made me laugh out loud!!
“The G-d Was I Drunk Last Night Syndrome”
josef: some of the best stories about things that shouldn’t be mentioned that I know ended that way!
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
7:32 pm
Frog: Since slavery was constitutional, exactly how did he do this?
Where in the constitution is slavery stated as “legal”.
Frog: Donovan wants humans to marry humans and has some biological science to support that.
Not biblical though.
Josef: DDR
Looks like Christian Conservative isn’t interested in carrying on a discussion with one of “them” who doesn’t fit his cherished stereotype…you can have the boa back now…
Thanks!
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
7:33 pm
Never say “it can’t happen here”.
I understand the idea, indigo. I don’t think your example has much bearing on what you’re suggesting though. There’s a big difference in fighting for rights and privileges for adults vs trying to change the rules for juveniles. This country is very protective when it comes to the legal issues with juveniles. I’m one to agree with the “never say never” idea. I just don’t see any legislator with the fortitude to purposefully lower the legal age of consent.
RF
December 8th, 2012
7:33 pm
“The rest of them I’ve found to be good, honest, hard working, and very caring people. ”
Very good point, and it’s good to know. I’m lucky to know a lot of people with similar views who are willing to accept that gay couples should be allowed the legal rights afforded to a marriage contract.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:34 pm
@td
As a data geek and freak, I dislike the term “to(sic) many”.
And I am unwilling to legislate the actions of all to try an remedy what is a problem for a few.
Gambling
Drinking
even drugs
You punish those who exceed some reasonable boundary.
Else you live and let live.
I have never tried coke, meth or heroin.
Did a bit of weed in the day – did not like the feeling (nor the smell) so I eschew.
They could legalize it all tomorrow and it would not change my personal position on it. Meaning I would not go right out and start tokin, smokin, snortin or shootin.
Some might try and most would discover it’s not for them.
Some might get hooked, but those who choose to tune out are not likely to be affected by laws designed to prevent it in any event.
If you try, get hooked and your life spirals out of control, then you:
end up homeless
end up in rehab
die
All of which happen now.
td
December 8th, 2012
7:34 pm
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:24 pm
” And divorces might have been lower, but unhappy marriages were correspondingly higher”
Excellent point and a not yet discussed topic on this board.
What is the primary reason for the state to sanction marriage? Is it to keep two people happy or is to make sure that children have the best chance to become productive members of society?
Does the government have a vested interest in the happiness of people or does the government have a “valid state interest” in making sure the next generation of children can be productive in society?
RF
December 8th, 2012
7:35 pm
“Looks like Christian Conservative isn’t interested in carrying on a discussion with one of “them” who doesn’t fit his cherished stereotype…you can have the boa back now…”
DDR and Josef: I sho am glad you two are around to run off the crazies. I hate it if I have to get up outa my rocker and go after them. It does disturb a good evenin’ buzz from the mint juleps on the verandah.
josef
December 8th, 2012
7:36 pm
RF
There was a season back in my glory days when a group of us had a contest to see who could bed the most “straight” men in a given period of time. We got points depending on what it was that took place behind closed doors…public decorum and the moderator prevent me from listing all the varied categories, but if HE was sober when it happened, you got to double the points…
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:36 pm
“The G-d Was I Drunk Last Night Syndrome…”
The lament of many a “straight” boy in college dorms across America.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
7:40 pm
“Yes, there is. Especially as refers to abortions. No one was counting back then, but they happened a LOT.”
It did not happen a LOT. First of all it was illegal. Secondly society was more moral regarding abortion. Thirdly it was the ole grandpa gonna get a shotgun and that boy is gonna marry her sydrome. Certainly there were backroom abortions but to opine that it happened a LOT when it was culturally a very taboo thing to do is an enormous exaggeration. Women routinely get abortions today. They didn’t get them routinely back in the day.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:40 pm
@RF
” I’m lucky to know a lot of people with similar views who are willing to accept that gay couples should be allowed the legal rights afforded to a marriage contract.”
My experience in life is that good people attract good people.
josef
December 8th, 2012
7:40 pm
DDR
The 3/5 compromise…
RF
Well, me and DDR does try to work in tandem…it cuts down on squabbles over the boa…
TD
The state’s interest in marriage has to do with the ownership and transference of properties…
indigo
December 8th, 2012
7:40 pm
Doggone/GA – “your concern is not proof you are correct”
Nor is it proof I’m incorrect.
And, as for “we’ll make sure it never goes into effect”, that’s exactly what anti-gay marriage people have been and still are saying.
You might want to closely study just how much success those people are having.
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
7:41 pm
RF,
We aint gonna agree on much but there’s always some room for agreement- and a good laugh.
MeatAndGreet
December 8th, 2012
7:41 pm
Charlie Crist has a wife?
RF
December 8th, 2012
7:41 pm
“Does the government have a vested interest in the happiness of people or does the government have a “valid state interest” in making sure the next generation of children can be productive in society?”
Well, when you consider that the backstory of many a celebrated figure of history came from less than those sanctioned ideal situations, it makes the “valid state interest” sort of a ridiculous notion. It’s not about that at all. It’s about who’s in power at the time promoting an agenda based on their convictions about what’s best. If you had asked in the 50’s, most governors in the South would have adamantly opposed integrating the schools, saying it was best that children go to school around their own kind. And I do recall seeing pictures invoking morality, God, and the future of our children. Well, here we are alllll these years later, and the country hasn’t crumbled. Children become productive members of society from a lot of varying “family” situations, including those from gay households, whether with single parents or committed couples. I can prove that with mine and Josef’s offspring.
josef
December 8th, 2012
7:42 pm
LOOK
@ 7:36
See my 7:36
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 8th, 2012
7:48 pm
Well you can just pull statements out of your butt or you can get some real information:
•Estimates of the annual number of illegal abortions in the United States during the1950s and 1960s range from 200,000 to 1.2 million.2
•Of the 46 million abortions occurring worldwide each year, 20 million take place in countries where abortion is prohibited by law.3
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:50 pm
@Thulsa
“First of all it was illegal”
before c.1820, no one cared.
The legislative movement against abortion happened when MD’s got cranky because midwives were performing deliveries and abortions. It was not a moral imperative, it was a fiscal one.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:50 pm
“Does the government have a vested interest in the happiness of people or does the government have a “valid state interest” in making sure the next generation of children can be productive in society”
The government’s only interest in legal marriages is the disposition of the couple’s possessions and wealth, and the rights of any children of the marriage. The happyness, or lack of it, in a marriage is not legally important to the state…unless, or until, it comes up in a divorce or custody court.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:52 pm
“It did not happen a LOT. First of all it was illegal. Secondly society was more moral regarding abortion”
Not more “moral”…more secretive
you can't fix stupid or Democrats
December 8th, 2012
7:52 pm
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[a] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:53 pm
“You might want to closely study just how much success those people are having.”
And is the mattress under your bed comfortable?
RF
December 8th, 2012
7:54 pm
“but if HE was sober when it happened, you got to double the points”
Josef: Safe to assume you got some of the double points?? I suspect that’s one reason you can wear the boa with such confidence!
And I could tell some stories about a once well known Baptist church in Macon I visited some in college where it was well known you could hook up… and I heard, but never took part in or witnessed, that a couple of downstairs rooms were quite the destination.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:55 pm
“The state’s interest in marriage has to do with the ownership and transference of properties…”
Which is precisely why Catholic priests were forbidden to marry and have offspring around 1133.
The church was losing a lot of land to inheritance. The whole Jesus was a bachelor thing was just spin.
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
December 8th, 2012
7:55 pm
Look: The reason the age of consent was 14, was because when they found Cooter and Sally necking behind the barn, they forced a marriage
Not really. The Women’s Suffragette Movement were the ones in the US pushing for ‘age of consent” laws. Before that it was the MEN who were opposed to the laws. Mainly because pedophiles were not held in contempt and rape laws were hard to prosecute because if a man “raped” a 7 year old girl; and 7was that state’s “age of consent”; then the man would not be held accountable.
Some background:
In the USA in the 1890s, most states had an age of consent of 10–12. In 1895, the age of consent in Delaware was 7, according to an article in The New York Times.[27] However, feminists and children’s rights activists began advocating raising the age of consent to 16 wanting to ultimately raise it to 18 and by 1920 almost all states had raised their age of consent to 16 or 18.
During the late 1950s to early 1990s, several paedophile membership organisations advocated lowering or abolishing age of consent laws[44][45][46][47] to legalize sexual activities involving an adult and a child. As one of their arguments to lower or abolish the age of consent, members of paedophile advocacy groups promoted their belief that children are psychologically capable of consenting to sexual interactions with adults,[48] and they often portrayed themselves as fighting for the right of children to engage in what the activists consider to be consensual sex with adults.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
7:56 pm
debbie do
Frog: Since slavery was constitutional, exactly how did he do this?
Where in the constitution is slavery stated as “legal”.
Frog: Donovan wants humans to marry humans and has some biological science to support that.
Not biblical though.
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If you are looking for a quote such as : Whereas people may own people and they
shall be known as slaves and that will be legal that did not happen but
slaves were to be counted as 3/5 of a person appears to recognize that
slavery was legal.
and humans marrying humans is not biblical? and besides I was mocking
Donovan’s bestiality comment but he doesn’t believe some humans should
marry other humans….
Thulsa Doom
December 8th, 2012
7:57 pm
Its always funny when some kook cites a source and all of its sources are from far left organizations like planned parenthood. And the idiot actually thinks that’s credible. Gawd that is fun-knee!,
Planned parenthood, naral, and the allan guttmacher institute which is a pro abortion far left site.
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“International Policy and Practice: Responding to Unsafe Abortion,” Ipas, 2003.
2 “Medical and Social Health Benefits Since Abortion was made Legal in the U.S.” Planned Parenthood Federation of America, 2002.
3 “Facts in Brief: Induced Abortion Worldwide, 2003,” Alan Guttmacher Institute.
4 “The Safety of Legal Abortion and the Hazards of Illegal Abortion,” NARAL Pro-Choice America Foundation, 2003.
5 “Sharing Responsibility: Women, Society, and Abortion Worldwide,” Alan Guttmacher Institute, 1999.
6 “Envisioning Life Without Roe: Lessons Without Borders,” Alan Guttmacher Institute, 2003.
7 “Abortion in Context: United States and Worldwide,” Alan Guttmacher Institute, 1999.
8 “The Public Health Impact of Legal Abortion: 30 Years Later,” Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health 35:1, January/February 2003.
RF
December 8th, 2012
7:57 pm
“We aint gonna agree on much but there’s always some room for agreement- and a good laugh.”
Laughter is the best medicine….that and a good bourbon in my opinion!
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
7:57 pm
“Which is precisely why Catholic priests were forbidden to marry and have offspring around 1133″
And during the Black Plague years the church was BEGGING people to get married, because the inheritances were so tangled and unresolved due to the number of unmarried couples.
Look before I leap...
December 8th, 2012
7:59 pm
“…and I heard, but never took part in or witnessed, that a couple of downstairs rooms were quite the destination.”
Ok I am getting that whole con “ooogy thing” now.
Must……have…..bourbon!
LOL
j/k – while not a turn on for me, I do have the admit the guys in gay porn are much better looking than the dudes in str8 porn.
Recon 0311 2533
December 8th, 2012
7:59 pm
As an aside from what appears to be the ongoing stupidity on this thread if you have kids or grand kids this holiday season the “Elf on the Shelf” package, which evidently has been around for many years is really fun for children and adults. We got ours from Barnes and Noble and it’s something that excites children about the magic of Christmas weeks before the day itself that prolongs it for the whole family. I just learned about it recently and me with my wife whose foreign are really having fun playing the elf for our daughter’s delight.