Supremes’ ruling on gay marriage important, not critical
The U.S. Supreme Court announced Friday that it hear arguments in two important but very different cases involving gay marriage, raising the odds that it will soon establish the basic legal architecture for how that issue is handled in the future.
One case, out of New York, addresses how the federal government must handle gay marriages that are conducted in states where such marriages are legal. The second, out of California, raises the more fundamental question of whether gay marriage is a right protected under the Constitution’s promise of equal protection.
Given the range of legal questions at stake in those two cases, the court’s final ruling next June could take any number of turns. And you just know that Justice Antonin Scalia is itching to get his hands on this issue.
However, it is also important to point out that however the nine justices decide, all final decisions on the matter will be made by the American people. And they have already made it clear that we will not be going backward on this issue, and that whatever the Supreme Court’s ruling this year, in time the right to marry will be extended to all Americans, gay or straight.
Young people support that right overwhelming. Despite the stern opposition of their church, almost 60 percent of Catholics support it. According to a Pew poll in July, political independents support it by an 11-point margin. Black Americans, long dubious of the notion, also support it in increasing numbers.
As recently as 1996, 65 percent of Americans rejected the notion of gay marriage; only 27 percent supported it. Yet in the July Pew poll, 48 percent of Americans supported it and just 44 percent opposed it. That is an extraordinary shift in public opinion in just 16 years, on an issue that that you might think people might be stubborn about.
So do your worst, Justice Scalia. At worst, you and others can temporarily affect the pace of the change that is taking place across this country. But you cannot affect the final outcome.
– Jay Bookman
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Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:16 pm
‘It’s those “current” standards that are undermining us”
and I think they make us stronger
indigo
December 8th, 2012
12:16 pm
Morality
Since you have a strong belief in God, but can’t furnish any honest justification for it, I’ll just ask something else.
Which God do you worship, the Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu(Gods) or some other God or Gods?
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
12:18 pm
Proving that a universal power exists that brought everything
into existence has nothing to do with proving, accepting or believing
that the Judaeo-Christian or Islamic religious books are true or not.
Thoughts
December 8th, 2012
12:18 pm
There has never been one scientific study done, that can 100% say that homosexuality is something in your DNA. Therefore it becomes a choice made by one and all. If you are willing to let each person decide if they are gay, then you are opening pandoras box for the government to give rights to others who choose to do what they feel. It has never been the same issure of ethinic color or gender. It is a choice, the question is, are you going to let anyone who wants choose as they want and give them benefits occordingly.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:22 pm
“First, marriage is a religious sacrament”
No, it isn’t. It’s a legal contract. That the church has muscled it’s way into that and made it ALSO a religious sacrament does not change the fact that it is primarily a legal contract.
But you are correct that there is no intention to force churches to marry those outside their faith.
Personally, though, I have a different take on that aspect of the discussion. I think that “separation” of church and state should mean that religious leaders OUGHT NOT be deputized to perform a legal function. If a couple chooses to be married in their church, that is their right, but when it comes down to the legal statement pronouncing the “man and wife” THAT should be performed by a legal functionary, not the presiding religious authority.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 8th, 2012
12:23 pm
Therefore it becomes a choice made by one and all.
When, exactly, did you decide to be a heterosexual?
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
12:24 pm
It seems a vow of chastity by homosexuals would remove
the objections of heterosexuals, especially religious ones,
to homosexual marriage, even in Church.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:24 pm
“There has never been one scientific study done, that can 100% say that homosexuality is something in your DNA”
And that matters not one bit. If I choose to dress “like a man” that is my legally protected right. It’s not built into my DNA
Fred ™
December 8th, 2012
12:27 pm
Damn Indigo, you sure have a pathological hatred of God (apparently just Jesus, or Christianity) and those who believe in it. Were you raped by a priest or something? Have I missed your rants against Allah, Jehovah, Buddha, etal?
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
12:27 pm
Once all men wore robes and skirts. The Scots still wear plaid skirts.
Fred ™
December 8th, 2012
12:28 pm
And that matters not one bit. If I choose to dress “like a man” that is my legally protected right. It’s not built into my DNA
I know men that wear dresses, Irish, Scots, Arab…….. So if you wear a dress are you dressing like a man lol? I say that jokingly, but it DOES help illustrate how complicated “gender issues” can become.
Fred ™
December 8th, 2012
12:29 pm
LOl Barking frog, we were thinking alike.
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
12:31 pm
Fred
Skirts have occupied a great deal of thinking time during my life.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:32 pm
“but it DOES help illustrate how complicated “gender issues” can become.”
I would use the word “made”, not become. Because “gender issues” are totally manmade. There are on 2 things that define “gender” – only women can bear and birth a child. And only a mad can “father” one. Everything else is mankind determined.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:34 pm
“And only a mad can “father” one”
Ooops! But maybe not so far off, after all?
Mr Right
December 8th, 2012
12:34 pm
Don’t cast pearls before swine!
KC
December 8th, 2012
12:35 pm
Doggone, “marriage” is also a religious sacrament separate from the “legal contract”. Just because you don’t believe in something doesn’t make it untrue. That knife cuts both ways. I don’t care if churches deny that sacrament to whomever because oyher churches will. But *legal* rights can’t be denied.
Corey
December 8th, 2012
12:37 pm
Myth. Most of our debt is held by foreign investors. Fact. Fifty-two per cent of our debt is held by American investors. Truth. If we could collect 2.2 trillion in revenue and not spend it we will be able to pay off debt to China and Japan. Our law makers know this, but they spin these facts for political advantage.
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
12:37 pm
Mr. Right 12:34
Not getting any pearls?
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:39 pm
“Doggone, “marriage” is also a religious sacrament separate from the “legal contract”. Just because you don’t believe in something doesn’t make it untrue”
Certainly it is. But you can go through the whole ceremony. The presiding religious authority can even pronounce you “man and wife”…but if he (or she) doesn’t sign the marriage license you are NOT legally married. Marriage is, and always has been, primarily a legal contract between consenting parties. But if they fail to fulfill the laws pertaining to that contract they are not legally married…no matter WHAT their particular church says or does.
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
12:39 pm
The holding of treasury securities by other countries supports
the confidence of the world in our country’s government and
economy.
Fred ™
December 8th, 2012
12:41 pm
DG: I know you like semantics and they are important. I’ll agree to made over become. Your version is more “correct” and more of what I meant.
And now I have to go do some work. Can you believe that/ Two days in a row now. What will Folks like Donovan think? It’s gonna ruin their insipid notion that I’m a “moocher.”
Well if anyone needs me just call me on my Obamafone. I’m really taking my Mercedes to Whole Foods so I can get some choice Ostrich filets with my food stamps………… can I get a prom dress there too?
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:41 pm
Amendment: “Certainly it is” should be “Certainly it can be”
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
12:41 pm
After reading the first 200 or so posts, I saw almost everything I expected to see. I can’t understand why people feel they need to project themselve into the private affairs of others, when those private affairs have nary a damn thing to do with their own life and how they live it. It’s funny how people whine about Obama shoving Obamacare down their throats while they’re trying to shove their religious morals down the throats of others.
Two people of the same sex want to get married, big f**king deal… If you’re not one of the two making that decision, how does that affect your life? Grown folks need to stay the hell out of the private affairs of others.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 8th, 2012
12:42 pm
Just reading through some of the previous posts.
I myself have no problem with poligamy, but why on earth would any man or woman want multiple mother in laws?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 8th, 2012
12:44 pm
Bro
But you made the assumption that the uber religious bible humpers are GROWN UP.
getalife
December 8th, 2012
12:44 pm
I care about this issue like I care about what happens to the failed gop party.
I don’t care.
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
12:47 pm
NoCom
Yeah, that’s an assumption I made. I’d probably be better served by not making such assumptions, but one would think that living for 40 years or more on Planet Earth would teach a person that life isn’t always going to give you everything you want or go exactly as you think it should.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:47 pm
“I myself have no problem with poligamy, but why on earth would any man or woman want multiple mother in laws?”
It gets worse if you think more deeply into ti. If we presume that polygamy becomes legal I think it’s fair to also presume that it would apply equally to both men and women. So think about if: if A marries B & C; and B marries D & E; and D marries A & F; and C marries F & G…
Need I go on!?
wayne
December 8th, 2012
12:49 pm
There is no such thing as same sex marriage. If you pour a bucket of red paint in another bucket of red paint you get red paint. Same sex partners can do with each other what they want. They can leave their assets to each other with a will or trust. they can share property, they can give each other authority to make medical decisions so what’s the big stink about. Next after this will be the dsire for communes to all get married to each other. People who believe this lifestyle is okay have that right. People like me who believe what the bible says don’t. God will have the final word and that is who i am concerned about pleasing!
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:53 pm
“There is no such thing as same sex marriage”
Wrong.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 8th, 2012
12:53 pm
Don’t cast pearls before swine!
“Strait” swine?
Corey
December 8th, 2012
12:54 pm
@Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:24
Think about what you are saying. If sexuality is in our DNA then homosexuality and heterosexuality are in our DNA? We have been conditioned to use phrases like “gay lifestyle” and “practicing homosexual” when referring to gays, and in essence, we have reduced them to walking sex acts rather than whole human beings. This is a sad commentary on our much cherished freedoms and liberties as a society
St Simons - he-ne-ha
December 8th, 2012
12:54 pm
Equal Protection. The End. A freshman law student could get this.
On the other hand, only THIS SC bunch could f* it up.
I want to stop and thank most of the regular conservative bloggers on
this blog. You are as a group way out front on this one.
And while we love to bash em, let’s give a shout to Ga’s economic
development team. Our port down here in YOUR Golden Isles is now
the 3rd busiest port for auto import/export in the US, behind NJ and
the port of LA. Finally, something not to be laughed at. Good job.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 8th, 2012
12:55 pm
My personal opinion of WHY the supremes took this issue on is because they think they can quash the issue by ruling against it while the right has a majority.
They know President Obama will have a majority sometime in the next 4 years and they are afraid if they don’t rule against it now at their level it will be passed sometime in the next 4 years.
IMO
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:57 pm
“Think about what you are saying. If sexuality is in our DNA then homosexuality and heterosexuality are in our DNA”
What *I* say? When did I ever say sexual orientation was in our DNA?
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
12:58 pm
Doggone
The polygamy issue is one of the same weak excuses that the same blogger brings up each time Jay as an article pertaining to gay marriage.
Earlier this morning I said that skiing the slippery slopes would be tough today and the usual suspects like clockwork have not disappointed.
Outside of their own faith, which I don’t believe anyone is asking them to change, they know they have little substance to refute why gays should not be able to marry.
If they did, they would be posting it without the usual slippery slope deflections.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 8th, 2012
12:58 pm
Doggone/GA
12:47 pm
You made my head hurt with that multiplier LOL
Just think of the divorce rate
DannyX
December 8th, 2012
12:58 pm
“There is no such thing as same sex marriage.”
Sure there is, in fact there are many Episcopal churches that perform the ceremony.
In a bit of irony gay couples can get married in an Episcopal church in states that don’t recognize gay marriage.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
12:59 pm
“They know President Obama will have a majority sometime in the next 4 years and they are afraid if they don’t rule against it now at their level it will be passed sometime in the next 4 years”
Not very well thought out. Even if they rule against it, that does not stop Congress from passing laws in the future to make that decision null and void. Nor does it stop a future SC from re-deciding the issue.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 8th, 2012
1:00 pm
Hey cons
THINK GAY POLIGAMY
BOO
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 8th, 2012
1:01 pm
Dog
When have they ever thought ahead that far?
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:01 pm
“If they did, they would be posting it without the usual slippery slope deflections”
Of course! No argument there. There is NO LEGAL argument against same sex marriage. Or even polygamy, but it would be my opinion that polygamy would have to have some legal controls – precisely because of the legal complications that could arise.
Mr Right
December 8th, 2012
1:02 pm
It’s funny how people whine about Obama shoving Obamacare down their throats while they’re trying to shove their religious morals down the throats of others
Yea,the reverse is the same!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 8th, 2012
1:03 pm
barfing frog:
“Women don’t have to register for selective service for the same reason
that men do have to register for selective service.”
I agree ……….. but it’s still not “equal protection under the law”.
UGADawg83
December 8th, 2012
1:05 pm
Folks, in the end it isn’t about popular opinion. It isn’t about what the Supreme Court rules as constitutional or unconstitutional. It isn’t about what Jay Bookman thinks or anyone on this blog thinks. In the end there is an ultimate truth. In the end there is an ultimate arbitrator of right and wrong. In the end it the only opinion that matters is God’s. God’s opinion is not changed just because it doesn’t square with what we want. Whether one is on the left or the right we should all be in pursuit of God’s ultimate truth.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:05 pm
“It’s funny how people whine about Obama shoving Obamacare down their throats while they’re trying to shove their religious morals down the throats of others”
And the funniest part of that is that it’s quite likely a LOT of those complaining have had “company provided healthcare” “shoved down their throats” with NO complaints at all!
DannyX
December 8th, 2012
1:06 pm
“There has never been one scientific study done, that can 100% say that homosexuality is something in your DNA”
I say we start our own study. Lets make January 8th “Change Your Sexual Orientation Day.”
On that day straight people will switch and become gay for just that one day. Don’t worry, you’ll just change back on the 9th, it’s that simple. Lets prove once and for all that being gay is a choice.
Now who gets dibs on Tom Brady?????
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:08 pm
“In the end it the only opinion that matters is God’s.”
When God deigns to give us his opinion on a legal matter, it better be Constitutional as well.
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:10 pm
Its a simple question for the Supreme’s really. Do we as a nation want to give a perverse lifestyle the title of marriage or do we want our nation to continue to uphold traditional family values????
St Simons - he-ne-ha
December 8th, 2012
1:11 pm
the 1st 4 years – Hope
the 2nd 4 years – Cha-a-a-a-a-nge, baby.
Dig it.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:13 pm
“Do we as a nation want to give a perverse lifestyle the title of marriage or do we want our nation to continue to uphold traditional family values????”
What “perverse” lifestyle”? Which “perverse” lifestyle? I happen to think that people who hate dogs are perverse. Should we outlaw their “perverse” lifestyle of living without a pet dog?
DannyX
December 8th, 2012
1:14 pm
“Do we as a nation want to give a perverse lifestyle the title of marriage or do we want our nation to continue to uphold traditional family values????”
Divorce is not a traditional family value. Christian conservatives divorce like crazy. Jesus said God hates divorce.
Re-marriage in a church should be a no-no but it happens all the time.
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:15 pm
Doggone/GA:
The perverse lifestyle that spreads diseases at a rapid rate. the perverse lifestyle that promotes child pornography and molestation. That perverse lifestyle….
RF
December 8th, 2012
1:16 pm
wayne: a lot of it is about spousal rights. If you have a “partner”, yes you can leave anything you want in a will. It’s then subject to estate taxes. A same-sex partner also can’t legally qualify for survivor benefits if your pension or insurance plans offer such. There are limits to what one can leave for a partner’s care, and surely any couple who stay together as partners in life should have those rights.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 8th, 2012
1:16 pm
Christian Conservative
Nope the simple question is.
Is it legal to not allow a segment of the population to enjoy the rights that the other segment of the population NOW have.
Once upon a time blacks were not allowed to marry whites.
Time to get with reality.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 8th, 2012
1:17 pm
the perverse lifestyle that promotes child pornography and molestation.
There’s your sign.
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:18 pm
DannyX:
I agree with you about divorce. But it doesn’t happen in true Christian households unless there’s abuse normally. But this debate is about homosexual marriage. Not divorce. Its funny how homo marriage supporters like to change the subject when there’s no way they can defend their stance….
RF
December 8th, 2012
1:18 pm
“On that day straight people will switch and become gay for just that one day.”
Careful there, Danny. A lot of folks might not switch back, and then where would we be?
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
1:20 pm
0311
The Constitution is the law and the SCOTUS says it is constitutional equal protection.
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:20 pm
“The perverse lifestyle that spreads diseases at a rapid rate.”
Like “traditional” marriage? STD’s are not limited to homosexual relationships.
” the perverse lifestyle that promotes child pornography and molestation. ”
Like “traditional” marriage? Child pornography is not limited to homosexuals.
Sounds good to me! Let’s do away with ALL marriages, since they promote the transmission of STD’s and the continuation of child pornography. I think you’re on to something!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 8th, 2012
1:20 pm
Danny
You got someone in your sights? j/k
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:20 pm
I’ve got one question for you homo marriage supporters. If your child came to you as a teen and expressed his or her desire to be homosexual would you be happy? If you say yes your either already in denial or delusional…
DannyX
December 8th, 2012
1:22 pm
” the perverse lifestyle that promotes child pornography and molestation. ”
Very funny. In fact a growing concern among conservative churches all across the south, and the subject of many sermons, is the problem of internet porn and how it has affected many, many of their members.
Gays get the blame for that too? They forcing you to ignore your wives and watch internet porn all night?
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:22 pm
“But it doesn’t happen in true Christian households unless there’s abuse normally”
So a deeply mismatched couple that makes the mistake of getting married is a couple who are not “true Christians”? Interesting concept.
Luckily for Christians, the decision of who is or is not a “true Christian” has not been given to YOU to decide.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 8th, 2012
1:23 pm
Reprised from last night:
Gay women will marry your boyfriends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Be8LnuG3U
RF
December 8th, 2012
1:23 pm
Christian Conservative: OKAY, just so you know, I’m gay and raising two healthy, happy boys I took custody of from a heterosexual, drug addicted couple. They were neglected and probably abused, and you wouldn’t know it to look at them now. They’re smart, they’re successful in school, and have a much more mature and healthy outlook on life and their responsibilities as citizens and members of God’s community than a lot of kids from homes with “traditional family values.” They don’t think my lifestyle is “pervers”, nor do they hide behind some religious notion that they have the right to judge anyone who doesn’t think, live, or believe like they do. Ironically, their treatment of others is so Christ-like, you’d think surely they had to have had the finest of your examples of family raising them. They didn’t…..and they’re turning out to be better men than I ever could have hoped.
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:23 pm
Doggone/GA:
Aids is almost completely a gay disease. Homosexuals transmit a variety of STD’s with their repulsive behavior. Look it up. http://www.cdc.gov/
A man who molests a boy is homosexual. I realize that most times the media and homo sympathizers try and spin this but its simple common sense….
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:25 pm
“If you say yes your either already in denial or delusional…”
But let’s not prejudge someone’s reactions now…that would be SO unChristian
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:25 pm
RF:
That’s because they don’t understand your lifestyle. You can teach a child to think however you want. They look to adults for guidance….
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:27 pm
DannyX:
I’ve never heard that. I guess to try and support your cause you just grasp straws right out of thin air. I use facts and statistics to back up my opinion.
RF
December 8th, 2012
1:27 pm
“A man who molests a boy is homosexual.”
NO, he’s a pedophile, a sexual abuser of children. Anyone who does that, gay or straight, is a criminal. Two grown men or two grown women in a relationship is homosexualtiy. Get it right pal.
DannyX
December 8th, 2012
1:27 pm
“But it doesn’t happen in true Christian households unless there’s abuse normally.”
Sorry Christian Conservative, Jesus gave no divorce waiver for abuse, only adultery. Since there are literally thousands of divorce cases a year there must be a lot of abusers and adulterers in your conservative churches. Yet you get hysterical over gay marriage?
Divorce is a CHOICE!
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:27 pm
“Aids is almost completely a gay disease”
Try telling that to all the men and women infected by their spouses in Africa. They’ll be really surprised to hear that.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 8th, 2012
1:27 pm
I use facts and statistics to back up my opinion.
And which statistics are those?
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:28 pm
DannyX:
By the way Danny. We are all sinners and should pray for forgiveness ever day. If someone has a porn problem that’s something that they must deal with on their own. Forcing homosexual marriage down out throats affects us all…..
They BOTH sucks
December 8th, 2012
1:29 pm
RF
A big thank you for your unselfish actions and willigness to make a difference in those kids lifes.
I’m sure they appreciate your love and are better for it.
Kudos, dude
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:29 pm
“That’s because they don’t understand your lifestyle”
And you DO? Now that was FUNNY.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 8th, 2012
1:29 pm
barking frog:
Yes they did but that doesn’t make it so anymore than when the Supreme Court said slavery was Constitutional.
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
1:29 pm
Marriage cannot be a religious issue or the SCOTUS would have
to void them all due to separation of church and state.
RF
December 8th, 2012
1:29 pm
“They look to adults for guidance”
And examples. They see what we do, especially in our treatment of others, and will often adopt similar patterns. Sad that you would teach children to hate and legally bind other humans. Is that what Christ did? I must not have read that book in my Bible.
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
1:30 pm
everyone watch out for the “slippery slopes”………. they wil be all around today
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:31 pm
“Forcing homosexual marriage down out throats affects us all…..”
and just exactly WHO is forcing YOU to get gay married?
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:31 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes:
http://www.cdc.gov/
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=Is01B1
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:32 pm
Doggone/GA:
Forcing someone to get married is not the issue. Redefining the definition of marriage is.
DannyX
December 8th, 2012
1:32 pm
“I guess to try and support your cause you just grasp straws right out of thin air.”
Christian Conservative, google “internet porn baptist church”. You will see 2,670,000 results dealing with the problem.
barking frog
December 8th, 2012
1:33 pm
Slavery was constitutional until Lincoln changed the Constitution
by Proclamation and war. The Congress followed suit with laws.
indigo
December 8th, 2012
1:34 pm
Fred – 12:27
I’m still waiting for you to provide hard scientific evidence for your religious beliefs.
And, if you think, even for one second that I’m afraid of you “hitting back hard”, think again sporty.
Provoke me enough and I’ll give you a whole new verbal meaning of what “hitting back hard” really is.
Take your best shot.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 8th, 2012
1:35 pm
Christian Conservative
A man who molests a boy is homosexual. I realize that most times the media and homo sympathizers try and spin this but its simple common sense….
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Don’t call your delusional ideas common sense, because they are not
Brosephus™
December 8th, 2012
1:35 pm
Aids is almost completely a gay disease.
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Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:36 pm
“Forcing someone to get married is not the issue. Redefining the definition of marriage is.”
And how, exactly, does that affect you and your marriage (if any)?
RF
December 8th, 2012
1:36 pm
“I’m sure they appreciate your love and are better for it.”
BOTH: I dont’ think my sixteen year old appreciates me much here lately. He’s got a truck, so I told him he had to get out and start putting in job applications today. He’s having a lesson in being a grownup, and he’s finding out the responsibility side of it sucks!!
Conservative (I just can’t seem to call you Christian for some reason): noone’s forcing anything down your throat. You don’t have to have gay weddings in your church or condone those unions in any way. This is only about the legal recognition of that commitment. It doesn’t involve your church in any way. In fact, if you think about it, if more gays got married, then there’d be less of them prowling around spreading their hateful ideology to unsuspecting Christians, who we all know could just neeeeever decide to accept that reality about themselves on their own, right?
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
1:36 pm
CC
so if two gays get married, exactly how will that change your life and beliefs?
Please work to keep it in the context of gay marriage not the slippery slopes and deflections such as poligamy, slavery or whatever other excuses and deflections you and others have been presenting
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 8th, 2012
1:37 pm
Bait.
Cast.
STRIKE
Those are the same links you always post, Trev.
Did you think a new sock-puppet would disguise you?
DannyX
December 8th, 2012
1:37 pm
“Redefining the definition of marriage is.”
The Episcopal church has redefined marriage. US states and other countries too. In fact the more Catholic a country is the better chance they allow gay marriage.
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:37 pm
RF:
Why would you bring Christ into the conversation? I honestly could care less who wants to be homosexual. I have a problem with the gubmint trying to force us to accept that it is somehow normal when its certainly not. By the way Jesus said man and woman shall be joined to form one. That sums up the definition of marriage for me…
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:37 pm
“Slavery was constitutional until Lincoln changed the Constitution by Proclamation and war”
He changed the laws, not the Constitution. That did not happen until a Constitutional amendment was passed. No President (or Congress) alone can change the Consitution.
They BOTH suck
December 8th, 2012
1:39 pm
RF
as he matures and looks back at the postive changes initiated and nurtured by your efforts, he will know
Christian Conservative
December 8th, 2012
1:40 pm
Brosephus™:
I gave you links with actual facts…. All I can do is shake my head and say bless your heart if your to stupid to realize living a homosexual lifestyle is dangerous….
Doggone/GA
December 8th, 2012
1:40 pm
“In fact the more Catholic a country is the better chance they allow gay marriage”
“Mexico’s Supreme Court unanimously ruled that a law banning gay marriage in southern Oaxaca state is unconstitutional setting a legal precedence that could pave the way for national legalization”
Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/12/06/mexican-court-rules-in-favor-same-sex-marriage/#ixzz2EUGoRkmI