Supremes’ ruling on gay marriage important, not critical

…What are called ‘homosexual unions,’ because they do not express full human complementarity and because they are inherently nonprocreative, cannot be given the status of marriage,” …..

…already covered, earlier.

You lost. Find a way to deal with it, because marriage inequality ain’t coming back.

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Pressed: Tim Stanley wrote a biography of Pat Buchanan….and you expect anyone here to take him seriously- NOT!!

If you look, pretty much every state has very specific laws about the whole animal sex thing. They word it differently, and many states rewrote their laws in the last decade to be MORE specific. In the cases your “article” discusses, the laws on the books were unclear and were subsequently rewritten. So, all your “information” does is point out the fact that such behavior, which pretty much every society on the planet doesn’t allow, has been more clearly defined by law and is now more directly punishable.

Anything else, or do you have some sort of particular interest in this subject?

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“When it all comes to pass, gays will be held responsible.”

Well, considering we make up about 10% of the population, and our representation in legislative bodies is much less, then it would take a whole lot of heterosexual politicians to pass any vote to make any of the already illegal activities you mention legal. Technically, that would make heterosexuals responsible to a far, far greater degree. Care to check the numbers?

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Do your worst – 8:26

We don’t have the slightest clue as to actually wrote Genesis.

In fact, we are clueless as to the true authorship of the entire Old and New Testaments.

Nor do we have any proof whatsover that God even exists.

Therefore, you beliefs about the absolute nature of marriage and God because of what’s written in Genesis is profoundly ignorant almost beyond comprehension.

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Good morning all. I am always amused at the vitriol displayed by some on this issue. Really? Homosexuals make up 10% (more or less) of the population and of those, how many actually want to marry? Of the couples that want to marry, many are already in long term committed relationships, often with children. That this small population of newlyweds would change the fabric of society is laughable. For the record, I am in a 20 year relationship and want to marry.

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indigo

People have been screwing animals for as long as we have recorded history. Same as your other argument, who will be the infamous legislator who introduces the bill to make it legal?

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Matthew 19

“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’. ”

At that time homosexual acts were an abomination to the Jews and Jesus did nothing to correct that point then nor for future generations.

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BUT, BUT, BUT

My German Shepherd is cute

http://www.akc.org/breeds/german_shepherd_dog/index.cfm

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RF, I’m not arguing against gay marriage. I’m revealing the hypocrisy among leftists like you.

When it comes to income, you leftists argue that you’re entitled to what isn’t yours. If we are to acknowledge alternative lifestyles (sexual in nature) then ALL should be recognized.

With the pursuit of those lifestyles following on the heels of equal rights for gays, are gays going to say “Screw you, we’ve got ours.”

You are equally as guilty of what you accuse conservatives of. It’s that simple.

Selective hypocrites.

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Scout

I don’t think we’ll have to worry about that for a long time. Legislators can’t figure out that long term jobs would do more to ease our fiscal issues than any single piece of legislation they could ever write. Congress or any state legislature has about the same chance of successfully legislating polygamy as I have of winning the Dayton 500.

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We take for granted today things like integration, civil rights, women in high political offices and the idea of gay marriage.

50 years ago, this was not the case.

I understand exactly what you’re saying. You’ve made that argument more than once on this thread. I’ll reply the same way I did before. There is a difference between legislating things between consenting adults, which is what happened between the 50s, 60s, and today versus attempting to legislate things that will affect kids. Since the child labor laws were repealed, this country has been very protective of it’s children. Look at how we keep registered sex offenders away from areas that MIGHT be frequented by children.

I never say never, but when it comes to legislating something that could potentially be detrimental towards kids, there will have to be epic subterfudge of the likes we have never witnessed before in order to get legislation like that passed.

Does that help you understand why I don’t agree with you? Hopefully, I’ve made it clearer for you to understand.

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It’s almost kickoff time, so I’ll check back later to see how Slippery Slope Sunday: Bookman Edition™ progresses through the day. I imagine there will be everything from Crisco to Baby Oil poured down those slopes to get them nice and slippery…

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I am busy at work reviewing the briefs in this gay marriage case. And when I find the word ‘penalty’ that’ll be all she wrote. My job is so easy now that I know a ‘penalty’ is really a tax.

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Brosephus:

“I don’t think we’ll have to worry about that for a long time.”

I hear you but we used to say that about gay marriage.

It’s always just one generation away ………… and the downhill slide continues.

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Pacman got knocked out in the 6th round.

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Regarding my 12:04 post, it’s amazing to me that people always ask for a verse from Jesus condemning homosexual acts when they wouldn’t believe that anymore than they believe what He said about Himself.

“I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.”

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Brosephus

It’s taken some time, but now I understand, all too clearly, what you’re really saying.

It’s entirely possible that, if gay marriage becomes the law of the land, a slipery slope really will emerge and things we now consider sexual perversions(as being “queer” was once thought of), will eventually become law. Your ultra liberal heart just won’t allow any acknowledgement of this since saying gay marriage will lead to pedophile marriage and God knows what else is just to much for your liberalism to bear.

I don’t like this possibility any more than you but, unlike you, I’m not just going to ignore it and hope it will go away.

It won’t.

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indigo,

Sure, if there is a movement to get the American people to support it.

That will never happen.

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50 years ago it was against the law for a white person and a black person to get married – at least in some states. I guess that was a threat to society.

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PressedOn: “When it comes to income, you leftists argue that you’re entitled to what isn’t yours”

No, we leftists point out the ways that capitalists appropriate what isn’t theirs through the exploitation of the labor of others.

By making this charge, you’re no doubt referring to taxation as an illegitimate form of wealth redistribution, but your error is in failing to see that income “earned” (appropriated) through the free market is already redistributed, namely through the asymmetry in wealth between those who benefit from state protection (owners, capitalists) and those who have to rely on selling their labor to eat (the vast majority, the 99%, the workers, etc.).

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Scout
and you have yet to post a direct quote from Jesus regarding homosexuality?

So why would it “amaze” you?

All the inference and intrepreation( which you do on a frequent basis to meet your narrative) doesn’t make something so?

Have you been able to provide a reasoned answer as to why and your your personal life would change if gays were able to marry? Of course that is without your never ending slippery slopes and deflections.

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Scout: I hear you but we used to say that about gay marriage.

It’s always just one generation away ………… and the downhill slide continues.

Well, by the time the next generation is here, you’ll be gone. You won’t have to witness whether it happens or not.

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Consider it an open invitation on Sunday. My in-laws are always over to watch Washington whenever they play on Sunday. You’re more than welcome to come and join us.

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indigo: It’s taken some time, but now I understand, all too clearly, what you’re really saying.

[...] Your ultra liberal heart just won’t allow any acknowledgement of this since saying gay marriage will lead to pedophile marriage and God knows what else is just to much for your liberalism to bear.

Why is it that, whenever someone challenges your thinking, people like you have to resort to trying to label people? You don’t know enough about me to know whether I am liberal, conservative, or just don’t give a f**kative

You obviously DON’T understand what I’m saying by trying to cheapen your argument like that. Let me break it down to you so that even my 4 year old would understand.

Americans will not let anything bad happen to children on purpose. Do you understand that much so far? As such, any attempt to legislate anything that may have a negative effect on kids would not pass muster with the American people. It has nothing to do with being heterosexual, homosexual, gay, straight, Black, White, Native, natural born citizen, or even a naturalized citizen.

We protect kids in this country. You can choose to wallow in your cesspool of fear worrying about “what if’s”. I choose to live my life daily protecting those who need protecting to ensure “fears” don’t happen. And, if that makes me have an “ultra liberal heart”, then I will take having that 10 times out of 10 if your heart is representative of the conservative heart.

Now I know why I loathe “Conservatives” so damned much. When they can’t debate points, they have to label people to belittle them in order to make their microscopic selves feel better.

Oh well…. Back to football.

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BOTH

The what, when, why and how.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOwdPNI4tI

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Fred – 1:26 “You really don’t posess much in the department of logical thinking”

This from the dork that can’t even answer a simple question – namely, provide scientific proof that your God exists.

It is spoiled snot-nosed brats like you that, trying to play grown-up here, only succeed in showing how ignorant they are.

Please take your childish foolishness somewhere else, and stop bothering intelligent people, you little pencil neck geek.

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Middle of the Road:

“As far as I know, Jesus did not comment one way or another about gay marriage. But he was quite specific about divorce. So which one do you think should be a priority. This is if you belive government should legislate theology.”

1) Jesus may have commented about a lot of things that we do not have a record of.

“Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.” John 21:25

2) Many things He did not comment about probably because they were so accepted in His day that there was no need. For example, we have no record of His commenting on pedophilia.

3) Government does regulate divorce/theology. Every state has multiple laws and regulations regarding divorce including grounds and time frames before one can divorce.

Why can’t people just go out and divorce? If marriage is just a “moral” thing then so should divorce be ………. but the state realizes for the good of both parties, the public and the state that it must be regulated.

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Middle of the Road:

Regarding my 2:21 post, item #2, by “accepted” I mean so generally accepted as totally immoral that there was no need to specifically mention it.

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Falcons are getting beat.

The newt said if Hillary runs in 16, she will win.

He finally got something right.

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Tax,

No, I heard Jesus say, “Front and back, 20 dollars”

He does a heck of a job too.

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I am going to call out the cons on morals like Vice President Biden called out the gop on doing something for the middle class.

Show us.

Talk is cheap.

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indigo: “It’s entirely possible that, if gay marriage becomes the law of the land, a slipery slope really will emerge and things we now consider sexual perversions(as being “queer” was once thought of), will eventually become law”

But what exactly is the “perversion” here, if it becomes the norm? In one sense one could say that as it becomes the norm it by definition ceases to become a perversion, does it not? (one of the definitions of a perversion being something that violates a socially established taboo)

But that in and of itself does not mean that the practice should not become normalized. After all, there are plenty of examples of them, starting with the racist taboos that entrenched a system of injustice in the 19th C, just to name one example.

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indigo and scout

Can you provide stats and studies for countries that have legalized gay marriage that have went down all the slippery slopes you project?
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Scout didn’t get one thing right when the debate was about gays serving openly in the military.

He said it wouldn’t happen, of course it did.
He said most in the military wouldn’t accept it, most do.
He said there would be a mass exodus, there wasn’t.
He said it would hurt recruiting, it didn’t.
He said it would hurt morale, it didn’t.

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Brosephus

I try to focus, like you, on what’s likely to happen now and in the more or less immediate future.

Actually, I don’t worry too much about what might be 50 or 100 years from now.

The only point I’m trying to make is that the dim and distant future is utterly unknown to us.

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Welcome – 2:46

That’s quite right. What’s “perverse” today may become accepted behavior tommorow.

I think the problem is in how fast these things change. Many people in their 70’s and 80’s think America has changed so much as to make them feel they’re living in another country.

Adjustments can be hard.

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Debbie

100% correct about social workers and all the sh*t they have to put up with. I honestly don’t know how they cope. I think a job like that would make me eventually just go jump off a cliff.

The chickens have long since come back to roost on this but those in charge just don’t seem to care.

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indigo: “Many people in their 70’s and 80’s think America has changed so much as to make them feel they’re living in another country.”

And not just people in their 70s-80s either. But yeah, no doubt, and for good reason, both for the better and worse.

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The only point I’m trying to make is that the dim and distant future is utterly unknown to us.

It’s not completely unknown. We shape the future based on the actions we take now. We also have history on our side as we can learn from past mistakes to avoid doing the same thing over and over. We might not accurately be able to predict specific events our changes, but our actions now will determine things in the future.

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DDR

I’ve heard some stories from people I know with DFACS that have left me speechless. I don’t know if I have the temperament necessary to do that job. I tip my hat to those who put in the hours doing that as well as those who’ve spent time doing it.

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Brosephus

That’s exactly correct.

However, the question is – will we learn from our mistakes or be like the philosopher who said “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”?

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Wow! Here we are at nearly 1000 and still pretty much on topic…funny what will grab and hold the attention of the social malcontents and curmudgeons of the Imam’s front verandah…

Anyway…scanning back over, I DO have one comment. What for some is a downhill slide is for others an uphill climb…looks like we’re sorta meeting in passing here…

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Josef

As long as those on their downhill slide don’t grab onto those who are on the uphill climb.

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That simply cannot be connected in any way to crimes against children or animals, and you know it.

All available evidence suggests otherwise.

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getalife

December 9th, 2012
2:59 pm

Lets count how many time our cons have been right in the last decade.

What will you do when you get to 10.

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RF

Four years of posting here and at the now defunct Cynthia Tucker’s next door and every time this subject has come up, the zoophilia and pedophilia card are invariably played.

No matter how many times it has been pointed out that neither animals nor minor children can enter into a legal contract (which is what marriage is), they always exclaim that allowing teh gheys to marry will lead to zoophilia and pedophilia.

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RF

December 9th, 2012
4:45 pm

“I think the problem is in how fast these things change. Many people in their 70’s and 80’s think America has changed so much as to make them feel they’re living in another country.

Adjustments can be hard.”

I remember my grandparents saying the same thing back in the 60’s, and I hear my dad saying it now in his 70’s. Every generation feels left behind in some way by the technology and social patterns of the one following it. My parents lived in a generation where a woman wore her hat and gloves to town and wouldn’t be caught dead in public in pants. I’ve seen some in my generation go to a show at the Fox in shorts and flip-flops. My mother was aghast at that in her dress and pearls. Adjustments are hard, but we make them and the basic foundation of the country survives. I think we’ll continue that positive momentum going forward, and we might just survive some minor changes like marriage equality without falling into anarchy and chaos.

RF, If you do a search on crime stats from the 60’s to 2011, which I just did, you may realize why people of my age group feel the way we do.

If you haven’t lived in the 50’s till now then you won’t realize what we are talking about.

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Just an observation, but whatever the Supremes do decide, it won’t be based on theological dogma. So, much of what the zealots have had to say here is just so much background noise. Entertaining and even somewhat informative, but not very pertinent to the actual matter at hand.

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However, the question is – will we learn from our mistakes or be like the philosopher who said “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”?

Only time will tell. I’d suggest everyone brush up on their Gibbon as a starter.

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half brain,

List them or zip it.

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GetaClue, I was refering to the number of digits that you have on your hands, guess it flew over your little head.

When you got nuthin’, deflect.

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Morality? “Jay takes our mind off of the fact that we are going over the fiscal cliff with this tripe.”

We’re not going over any fiscal “cliff”.

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“When you got nuthin’, deflect.”

Yep.

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Welcome

On the other hand…

http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20121206-gay-friendly-mosque-stirs-controversy-france’s-Muslims

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