Supremes’ ruling on gay marriage important, not critical

The U.S. Supreme Court announced Friday that it hear arguments in two important but very different cases involving gay marriage, raising the odds that it will soon establish the basic legal architecture for how that issue is handled in the future.

One case, out of New York, addresses how the federal government must handle gay marriages that are conducted in states where such marriages are legal. The second, out of California, raises the more fundamental question of whether gay marriage is a right protected under the Constitution’s promise of equal protection.

Given the range of legal questions at stake in those two cases, the court’s final ruling next June could take any number of turns. And you just know that Justice Antonin Scalia is itching to get his hands on this issue.

However, it is also important to point out that however the nine justices decide, all final decisions on the matter will be made by the American people. And they have already made it clear that we will not be going backward on this issue, and that whatever the Supreme Court’s ruling this year, in time the right to marry will be extended to all Americans, gay or straight.

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Young people support that right overwhelming. Despite the stern opposition of their church, almost 60 percent of Catholics support it. According to a Pew poll in July, political independents support it by an 11-point margin. Black Americans, long dubious of the notion, also support it in increasing numbers.

As recently as 1996, 65 percent of Americans rejected the notion of gay marriage; only 27 percent supported it. Yet in the July Pew poll, 48 percent of Americans supported it and just 44 percent opposed it. That is an extraordinary shift in public opinion in just 16 years, on an issue that that you might think people might be stubborn about.

So do your worst, Justice Scalia. At worst, you and others can temporarily affect the pace of the change that is taking place across this country. But you cannot affect the final outcome.

– Jay Bookman

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Bye Bye Cheesy Grits

December 8th, 2012
8:56 am

Another win for Liberalism

Curtis Rivers

December 8th, 2012
9:01 am

As the chart lists me as being one of the “silent” generation, I wonder if that gives me the right to speak? List me, however, as one who thinks the argument over this issue has become silly, in that all people and their situations need equal protection under the law. The constitution doesn’t define marriage, so I would think the rising agreement with gay marriage should determine the justices’ opinion…then there’s Scalia, who seems mired in a past of increasing conservative fantasy.

Donovan

December 8th, 2012
9:04 am

Gosh, I guess I’m just old fashion, because I see the world in which I live in as becoming upside down.

I see natural things in this world as the way it should be. I don’t see dogs having sex with cats and cats having dog babies. I don’t see lions sleeping with baboons or great white sharks playing with seals. And I don’t see vultures kept as household pets.

Trying to validate what is not natural is really a crime against nature. Therefore, men marrying men and women marrying women is preposterous. Get over it? I’m not that gullible or condoning.

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Bye Bye Cheesy Grits

December 8th, 2012
9:07 am

I honestly dont think the Supreme Court would have even taken these case if they werent someone prepapred ( or resigned ) to rule in the affirmitive.

Might be wrong about that but I dont see how they could rule otherwise.

The act of discriminating against a group of people because of a shared charecteristic just wont fly.

stands for decibels

December 8th, 2012
9:09 am

a side issue, but

Despite the stern opposition of their church, almost 60 percent of Catholics support it.

Would someone please pass along to American conservatives that most American catholics, despite what you have heard, do not take their orders directly from some ivory-tower group of American bishops?

I don’t claim to speak for them, but based on my intimate experience, the vast majority take their orders from their consciences.

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They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2012
9:12 am

Good morning.

It will be tough skiing today.

The slopes will surely be slippery today with the usual asinine pedophilla and beastiality comments from the usual suspects.

Let’s hope that the Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage. These folks have fought and died for this country, pay taxes, own businesses, etc, etc.

As Jay states, it is coming, it is just a matter of when.

And if anyone can explain exactly how gays getting married will negatively impact their own life and what they believe that would be great.

Bye Bye Cheesy Grits

December 8th, 2012
9:13 am

I see natural things in this world as the way it should be. I don’t see dogs having sex with cats and cats having dog babies. I don’t see lions sleeping with baboons or great white sharks playing with seals. And I don’t see vultures kept as household pets.

This is what im talking about. This is the arguments the other side comes up with.

Cats and dogs stuff.

No way they can win this one.

Lets face facts. Their argument is based on Religous dogma.

And im sorry but that has to go.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2012
9:16 am

Donavan

Are more people going to all of a sudden become gay if they have the same right as you do to marry?

indigo

December 8th, 2012
9:16 am

Think of America as a large house being held in place by a strong foundation. Then imagine, years ago, “an extraordinary shift in public opinion” caused the bricks of America’s foundation to start being removed, one by one.

Because of this, would you be surprised to see large numbers of people being murdered by guns every year, a huge increase in crime, a crumbling infrastructure, millions of illegals causing havoc in many of our social systems, once safe streets now virtual combat zones, teachers struggling in out of control classrooms, and a thoroughly amoral political system?

Of course you wouldn’t admit this. Instead, you’d deliver a lecture about the blessings of civil rights, large numbers of illegals bringing “fresh blood” to our society, and a glorious prediction that the “change that is taking place across this country” will eventually lead us to a glorious future.

And, most frightning of all, you are deluded enough to actually believe all these changes are good.

We’re well on the way to being a third world country with a first rate Military.

Welcome to hard times.

GT

December 8th, 2012
9:18 am

I worry more about the institution itself being around in a few years. Gays seem to be rushing for a burning house others are running from. I can only guess the benefits offered to straights will keep some of America glued together in marriage but the statistics are saying otherwise.

Divorce in my parent’s day was controlled by social and monetary punishment. A man could be fired or not promoted, but today the fences are down. We run on two tracks here, one telling gays they can’t marry and another saying we are not the marrying type.

I heard a woman last night ask, “if marriage is not for having children what is it for?” Use to be for love, lot of cold fish out there now days. People are too busy to fall in love anymore. Yet even something we don’t want we want to deprive others that might can use it better than us not to have it.

Oscar

December 8th, 2012
9:20 am

Looks like Roberts and Kennedy will be the swing votes again. So to speak.

stands for decibels

December 8th, 2012
9:20 am

Gosh, I guess I’m just old fashion [sic]

Donovan, you represent a shrinking minority. I wrote a few years ago that this anti-marriage equality movement would become marginalized, to the point that people will wind up lying about how they’d supported it since the early days. I am seeing a trajectory of public opinion and political movement that indicates I am correct.

So you can be bitter over your loss, or just try to be civilized and decent about it. And calling it a “crime against nature” ain’t civilized or decent. In fact, at this point in the discussion, it is infantile.

stands for decibels

December 8th, 2012
9:22 am

Gays seem to be rushing for a burning house others are running from.

And i’m going to have to ask for a cite please. I don’t think the marriage success rates have changed all that much in the last generation–yes, there was an increase once the floodgates opened and it wasn’t the social stigma it was 40-50 years ago, but I’m fairly sure it’s stabilized since.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2012
9:22 am

GT

Gays will not be immune from the emotional and financial stress of divorce.

That will be no different than straight folks.

They will be experiencing the good and the bad… as it should be.

guy

December 8th, 2012
9:23 am

It does not matter what the court rules. Gay marriage is wrong in God’s sight and no man or women can change that. People don’t want to hear the truth so they think what humans say is ok. What difference does it make anyway? Most are going to do as they please in the end. Rant and rave all you want but you can’t legalize sin!!!!!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 8th, 2012
9:23 am

And you just know that Justice Antonin Scalia is itching to get his hands on this issue.

Heh, heh, heh.

Fred ™

December 8th, 2012
9:24 am

Did you catch this Jay?

http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/political/ex-fla-gov-crist-tweets-hes-joining-democrats/nTQcz/

When there is sufficient hate and rhetoric on this topic maybe you can explore the ramifications and figure out if this is a one time occurrence or the beginning of a trend. Will more of the “sane” Republicans get tired of the lunacy and of being called “RINO’S” because they aren’t to the right of Attila the Hun?

Anyway, I’ll check back later to see if there is another topic, I feel to good today to be dragged down in the hate and vileness that this thread is going to go.,

barking frog

December 8th, 2012
9:28 am

Scalia should have been impeached for his refusal to recuse
himself when he had a clear conflict of interest. As a lawyer he
should have gone hunting with Cheney. They will probably find
for due to equal protection but shift it back to the states for approval
or not.

Recon 0311 2533

December 8th, 2012
9:28 am

Interesting that the people vote in disfavor and federal judges come in and overrule the peoples decision. Jay now says that regardless of what judges on the Supreme Court decide the people will overrule them.

Oscar

December 8th, 2012
9:28 am

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
9:30 am

God is my Supreme Court…….and His opinion is critical.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
9:32 am

Obama Principle: The only important laws are the one’s he agrees with…… ignore the rest.

stands for decibels

December 8th, 2012
9:33 am

Interesting that the people vote in disfavor

Two things:

1. you won’t have that “but we had a vote!” talking point for long. Overwhelming majority of younger people support marriage equality across the country. Opposition is literally dying out.

2. Civil rights really don’t get to be decided by a majority, at the end of the day. and I don’t recall you complaining about the SCOTUS re-affirming this notion in the Heller decision.

JamVet

December 8th, 2012
9:34 am

guy, I spoke with God just now and he’s cool with it…

stands for decibels

December 8th, 2012
9:35 am

and His opinion is critical.

oh, bullsh-t. The “opinion” you speak of was written by men thousands of years ago. If you have any respect for the world God created, you’d recognize that those proscriptions applied to a very different time and place (and if you troubled yourself to learn a thing or two about the fundamentally abusive nature of what would’ve been regarded as homosexual relations, at the time, you’d understand why those proscriptions existed in the first place.)

I mean, read a damn book or three. Not just, you know, “The Book.”

barking frog

December 8th, 2012
9:35 am

Morality?
God is my Supreme Court…….and His opinion is critical.
………………………………………………….
Following his biblical ruling when will you hold your next stoning ?

appleseed

December 8th, 2012
9:36 am

Think I would prefere a vulture as pet than a snake.As for marriage the records not that good.Just a Bush-Whacking of the norm.

stands for decibels

December 8th, 2012
9:37 am

I’ll add, Morality, you might start with this one.

http://books.google.com/books/about/Paul_Among_the_People.html?id=UMOEXpPjHcMC

(which isn’t about the OT, but provides a scholarly look at the influence of Greek culture on the Hebrews and early Christians, and is easily digestable.)

GT

December 8th, 2012
9:37 am

Well said They BOTH suck and I think gays see a greener pasture on the other side than exist but Lord didn’t we all?

God and government law worries me far more than gay marriage. You can’t win this argument void of religious interpretation unless we are foolish enough to believe this is not a natural handicap same as any other handicap covered by the civil rights of a human being. And to make this the purpose of the church which has done an absolutely abysmal job of protecting the institution of marriage in the first place is beyond the pale. The stubborn right has decided dragging their mud through our churches is their privilege and destroying the church to them is very similar to taking the economy over the cliff for their minority and selfish sicknesses.

Mr Right

December 8th, 2012
9:38 am

Less and less straits want to get married and the queers seem to think it’s important to get married, crazy world!

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 8th, 2012
9:39 am

Interesting that the people vote in disfavor and federal judges come in and overrule the peoples decision.

Did you happen to catch the last election ?

Fred ™

December 8th, 2012
9:41 am

Mr Right

December 8th, 2012
9:38 am

Less and less straits want to get married and the queers seem to think it’s important to get married, crazy world!
++++++++++++++++++++++

OK I had to check in one more time………

Mr. Right may not have expressed that in a way that will please everybody, but he DOES have a point lol. It set ME back on my heels anyway……………

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 8th, 2012
9:43 am

Less and less straits want to get married…

When the Strait of Gibraltar wants to marry the Strait of Hormuz, which church will they choose?

smart republican

December 8th, 2012
9:43 am

god created adam and eve, not adam and steve. :D

Recon 0311 2533

December 8th, 2012
9:43 am

“Civil rights really don’t get to be decided by a majority, at the end of the day. and I don’t recall you complaining about the SCOTUS re-affirming this notion in the Heller decision.”

Evidently you didn’t fully comprehend Jay’s commentary or mine. BTW….people’s views can and do change as they age. I can’t predict the majority views on social issues that today’s 21 year old might have when they turn 35 much less make predictions for what those views may be one or two generations from now and neither can you.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2012
9:44 am

Before this day is over, more “get out of Leviticus free cards” will have been played than “get of a jail cards” in 10 yrs of all the Monopoly games played worldwide

stands for decibels

December 8th, 2012
9:44 am

Fred, looks like the last straw for Crist had to be the way his successor railroaded voting rights.

I’ve said it before, but I don’t know how anyone with a conscience could deliberately disenfranchise American citizens like they’ve done. And between that, just last month, and this latest insult to Senators Bob and Elizabeth Dole on the floor of the Senate, the official party-line depravity it is just unfathomable to me.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 8th, 2012
9:46 am

Evidently you didn’t fully comprehend Jay’s commentary or mine. BTW….people’s views can and do change as they age. I can’t predict the majority views on social issues that today’s 21 year old might have when they turn 35 much less make predictions for what those views may be one or two generations from now and neither can you.

Very true but when 63 percent already approve and you see how things are trending.

Its obvious to anyone who isn’t a moron where this is heading.

The Dems got 60 percent of the under 30 vote this time around. And when people make a party affiliation early on they tend to stick with it. Will they all… no.

But most will.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2012
9:46 am

Smart republican

So steve was created by another God and not your god?

stands for decibels

December 8th, 2012
9:47 am

Recon, I *think* I read you and Jay correctly. The SCOTUS are, I believe, going to be ruling on narrowly defined aspects of existing law. They are not likely to render a ruling that would somehow make hetero marriage the only one recognized by the law, forever and ever, amen.

It certainly wouldn’t be very conservative of them to do so.

/drive-by, and pleasant Sat. mornin’ to all.

smart republican

December 8th, 2012
9:50 am

God said that man and man are an Obamanation. :D

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 8th, 2012
9:50 am

god created adam and eve, not adam and steve. :D

Psstt. He didn’t create Adam and Ever either.

And guess what.. man didn’t walk with Dinosaurs and the world is over 6,000 years old.

stands for decibels

December 8th, 2012
9:53 am

oh, one other thing–

“smart republican”, can you and the last three human beings on the planet who find that “adam and steve” alleged-joke to be funny, please turn out the lights when you leave? kthnxbye.

smart republican

December 8th, 2012
9:53 am

I am going to say that this is all Obama Fault.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 8th, 2012
9:56 am

man didn’t walk with Dinosaurs

Don’t be silly.

Fred Flintstone worked on the back of an apatosaurus and had dino as a pet.

breckenridge

December 8th, 2012
9:58 am

I often find myself wishing James Madison would have used stronger, much stronger, language when writing the Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment. Instead of “Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion” something along the lines of “Concerning matters of faith, as they relate to federal legislation, I hereby instruct all Americans to take their religious beliefs and shove them up their backsides” would have been preferable.

“An alliance or coalition between Government and religion cannot be too carefully guarded against……Every new and successful example therefore of a PERFECT SEPARATION between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance……..religion and government will exist in greater purity, without rather than with the aid of government.” James Madison, 1822.

barking frog

December 8th, 2012
9:59 am

Did Adam and Eve get married ?

Recon 0311 2533

December 8th, 2012
10:00 am

The Dems got 60 percent of the under 30 vote this time around. And when people make a party affiliation early on they tend to stick with it. Will they all… no.

I think today it’s more about ideology and less about party affiliation. Today we have a majority who view a large centralized federal government as what’s best for the country. That attitude can change by the time of our next election and can be driven by significant events. Two on the horizon is our deficit and weak economic recovery, the deteriorating conditions in the Middle East and what that might portend for world peace.

guy

December 8th, 2012
10:01 am

JamVet, You must have talked with your earthly god,your annointed one, and YOUR president,obama, about same sex marriage being cool You dialed the wrong number because obama,your god, doesn’t care. Like I said,we earthlings don’t over rule the Heavenly God but we try. Rave on pussycat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 8th, 2012
10:01 am

O me! The Gays are going to clog up the divorce courts and ruin our Way of Life! It won’t be easy to be a GA redneck then. It’ll take years to swap out. They’re threatening the sanctity of marriage!

Mr Right

December 8th, 2012
10:01 am

And guess what.. man didn’t walk with Dinosaurs and the world is over 6,000 years old.

And how would know? Were you around 6000 years ago?

Oscar

December 8th, 2012
10:03 am

One case, out of New York, addresses how the federal government must handle gay marriages that are conducted in states where such marriages are legal. The second, out of California, raises the more fundamental question of whether gay marriage is a right protected under the Constitution’s promise of equal protection.

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I think the decisions will be pretty narrow and just one those two issues.
Looks to me that the court will have to find that since marriage is not addressed in the constitution, that it is a state matter, and the federal government will have to treat all legal state marriages as legal marriages.

On the second issue, don’t have a prediction other than Roberts will try to decide on some other grounds and leave that question hanging for a while.

Cherokee

December 8th, 2012
10:03 am

guy, when you get as worked up by bankers charging interest, and people eating shrimp, and rednecks wearing polyester, as you do about gay marriage, get back to me. God also called all of those things sin – wonder why you aren’t writing on blogs condemning them?

Oscar

December 8th, 2012
10:08 am

Cherokee – You left out the part that says children who talk back to their parents should be stoned to death.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 8th, 2012
10:12 am

Like I said,we earthlings don’t over rule the Heavenly God but we try.

So true.

God’s laws are self-enforcing and don’t need help from anyone.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 8th, 2012
10:13 am

Today we have a majority who view a large centralized federal government as what’s best for the country.

Yes we do and I think ideology plays a huge part in the large centralized government belief.

People see what goes on when local yahoo’s take control.

Like in Kansas where the BOE went nuts and tried to ban teaching evolution.

People want a large Federal government that is a buffer against the nut down the street who would gladly force his Religious views right down your throat.

The Supreme Court is about to ( hopefully ) put this one behind us and we can move on. Federal government trumps local yahoo’s again.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:15 am

What do Obama and Castro have in common? Many things but one in particular. They ignore the laws on the books and create their own. Banana Republic.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:17 am

Large Fed gub’ment = SOCIALISM

Gale

December 8th, 2012
10:18 am

I think most Americans don’t give much thought at all to gay marriage. The reason opinion is trending positive is because gays have been more open. As more people learn that gays include people who live lives quite similar to their own, that they are not only the the crazies parading in the Pride parades, and as they learn about the reality of the rights and benefits they have being married that are denied to long established gay couples, people will begin to say, sure, why shouldn’t they be married. It doesn’t effect my life. So, terrible sentence structure aside, it is high time the issue was resolved. There is no compelling interest of the state to restrict marriage to straights. Religion and tradition should not hold sway over equality under the law.

Where ever gay marriage has become legal, we always see couples who have been together 30 and 40 years. No, they did not need the paper to be together. But why should they not have the legal standing of marriage. I have been with my partner 20 years. When we are finally married –when it is recognized at the federal level– it will not change how we live. It will not change how you live. The issue will return to obscurity where marriage is only important to your closest associates, and the tax man.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:18 am

Of course it’s not critical. The level of the FED debt – now that’s critical.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:21 am

I don’t consider the Supreme’s opinion to be important or critical on this “issue”. The level of the Fed Debt and how to avoid a depression in 2013 – now that’s what I call important and critical. Get an opinion from the Supreme’s on that.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:22 am

I could care less about your current topic…….. marry anything you want to. Pet lizard,….. whatever.

Gale

December 8th, 2012
10:23 am

The federal budget is not in the jurisdiction of the SCOTUS. That is the responsibility of Congress. Rant at them about the budget.

Donovan

December 8th, 2012
10:24 am

Hey Stands and They Both Suck…you liberal lunatics just don’t get it with your apparent mind-set.

When we have a sexual deviant minority demanding equal rights for unnatural behavior, it’s foolish to think that we have to agree to their deviance as a natural acceptance.

I don’t appreciate parades where men dress up like women and women dress up like men to be seen as funny. Children become confused looking at such deviance. It’s wrong and your acceptance is ludicrous. People like you vote for Obama and want more lunatic thinking liberals presiding on the Supreme Court.

Sorry, but no sale here.

guy

December 8th, 2012
10:24 am

cherokee, I totally agree that there are many sins we comment while we fail to look in the mirror about ourselves.Bookman wrote this article for all to read and respond if we wanted to. None of us are near as smart as we think we are. Selfish humans we are!!!!

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:24 am

Taxation is the way the gub’ment “redistributes the wealth”. …… taking from those that earned it and giving to those that voted Obama.

zeke

December 8th, 2012
10:25 am

Your chart shows exactly why it is an abomination for those not mature to be able to vote! Their minds have been so indoctrinated in socialism, they have no ability to think logically! After all, how did those under 25 vote in the past two Presidential elections? The Court should toss any challenge to the DOMA as irrelevant! Congress passed the law, the President signed the law, it is the law! But, looking at the absurd ruling on the tax for obozocare, you never know! And, by the way, THEY ONLY RULED ON THE FINE AS A TAX, NOT ON THE 2500 PAGE BOONDOGGLE AS CONSTITUTIONAL! THAT FIGHT STILL NEEDS TO BE TAKEN TO THE COURT!

guy

December 8th, 2012
10:27 am

Amen Morality!!!! people will do what they want to do anyway!

DannyX

December 8th, 2012
10:27 am

“god created adam and eve, not adam and steve”

God created Adam and Eve!!! Not “Adam and Eve, then Adam and Cindy, then Adam and Michelle.”

Divorce is a CHOICE. God hates divorce, Jesus said so. Its “Until death do us part, NOT, until the next bimbo comes along.”

Divorce will lead to animal + human marriage and animal + human divorce!!!

We earthlings don’t over rule the Heavenly God!!!

barking frog

December 8th, 2012
10:28 am

Morality?
Taxation was invented by God and his priests except they called it tithing
and they also invented bankruptcy except they called it forgiveness of all
7 year old debts.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:28 am

Obama will go down in history – not for so called “gay marriage” or his other pipe dreams but for being the HERBERT HOOVER of 2013 …. he and his handlers aka Nanny Pelosi and Hairy Weed will get the credit for the GREAT DEPRESSION of 2013.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:31 am

Ignorant Frog: tithing is not taxation – tithing means VOLUNTARY giving. God did not invent taxation . He can not do evil.

Gale

December 8th, 2012
10:32 am

And then there are those who think a lot about gay marriage, in the sense that they think everyone should toe the line they have decided as the correct way to live. The trend is apparent. Politicians being as they are will see the trend. If SCOTUS decides narrowly, look for Congress to repeal DOMA. If popular opinion is contrary to the health care law, look for Congress to defund it. They want to be reelected. I see the trend away from hard right Tea Party conservatives. They went too far.

Bhorsoft

December 8th, 2012
10:33 am

I think Adam and Eve were shacking up, but that’s long before Moses and Jesus came into the picture. Who’s to say what is right and wrong before the Ten Commandments, the Bible, or the Koran came along….

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:34 am

Ignorant Frog : As for bankruptcy – I think Oprah 1st suggested it on one of her sob sessions.
Best professional crier ever – OPRAH.

GA Dawg

December 8th, 2012
10:36 am

I’m not sure I am ready for a gay marriage amendment. But the Anton Scalia is one sexy dago!

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:36 am

Danny X : Marrying animals – Not under Obama – animals don’t have the right to vote YET.

DannyX

December 8th, 2012
10:36 am

Best professional crier ever—John BOEHNER.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:39 am

However PETA is pressuring Obama to promote a healthy marriage between Owners and their pets . with survivor’s rights of course.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:46 am

With legalized weed high on Obama’s agenda (coming soon) there will be a new source of taxation that will hit the 47%. . as well as the 1 %….. Gub’ment run Weed Stores – the only source of legal weed and will be highly taxed. Weed sold in the private sector will be heavily punished. Part of Obama’s plan to reduce the Fed debt.

Jerome Horwitz

December 8th, 2012
10:49 am

Don’t like gay marraige – don’t marry one.

As for “God’s Word” – Well, as far as I know God has never really spoken directly to mankind. It’s always been thru some’s interpretation. So we really don’t what He thinks.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:49 am

Also look forward to a Fed Gub’ment run nationwide SUPER LOTTERY….. proceeds to go to reduce the Fed Debt…. after 10% taken off the top for Congress’s self voted pay raise.

Max Headroom

December 8th, 2012
10:50 am

GLBT make up something like 3% of the population. I guess being the queaky wheel will trully get you to the supreme court. I really dont think we should even be taking up the issue…
As a political moderate, I couldn’t care less who gets married to whom. However, based on the few homosexual couples that I’ve known, I suggest you be careful what you ask for. In fact, I recommend you get a tattoo. It’s more permanent and less painful.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 8th, 2012
10:50 am

Jerome

Blue Lions 2
Sunderland 0

At the half.

DannyX

December 8th, 2012
10:52 am

Why should gay people be afraid of the Bible?

Straight Christian conservatives aren’t. The very Christian south leads the country in divorce, around half of all marriages. Jesus made it clear that divorce is only allowed when adultery is involved. He then set rules that limit re-marriage. All Christian divorces involve sin, either because of adultery or divorce that is not allowed. Re-marriage law according to Jesus is totally ignored.

On top of that when people are married they usually get married in a church, supposedly a holy place. They swear before their God to stay together until death. Half of them will break that pledge.

Finally Jesus said nothing about gays but laid down the law on divorce and re-marriage.

Tell me guy, and Morality, why should gays be afraid of your Bible?

Divorce is a CHOICE!!!

josef

December 8th, 2012
10:52 am

I think Gale hit the nail on the head earlier when she said that most straight people really didn’t give it that much thought. Once gay people became more comfortable being “out.” and more straight people became comfortable with them being out, attitudes began to change.

Why?

Straight people got the chance to see how boringly “normal” and how alike we really are. We both go about our daily lives without a whole lot of thought to our “orientation.” Unless the subject comes up, neither “side” gives it much thought.

Of course, me and mine have a dog in this fight, and are paying attention, but even we didn’t get up this morning kicking back the gay blanket, turning on the gay coffee maker, frying up the gay bacon and eggs, “discussing” the gay bills to be paid, etc. etc.

On the other hand, long before I came in to pick up here, it did come up and did come up in a way that reminded us of the inequalities. we’re having to deal with the transfer of title of a piece of property and with that a bunch of lawyer sh*t that, were we married, would not be necessary. Added into that equation is the fact that we’re old f*rts facing our own equality of oblivion and there’s this whole matter of survivor’s benefits, etc….

And folks on the “pervert” side, are you listening? How we diddle our dangles hasn’t come up! :-)

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:55 am

Horwitz – As far as you know? As long as you do not invite God in to your life He is not likely to enter. God gave you free will to make your own decisions. God does not force Himself upon people. If you want Him to speak to you invite Him in. God has spoken to me out loud with a “male” toned voice. He said ” I will do my part. You do yours.” and I knew exactly what that meant and God kept His Word. God did His part.

Scrivener

December 8th, 2012
10:55 am

Cherokee as usual is wrong. Purity codes in regard to shellfish and clothing were in the Old Testament and were forgiven in the New Testament. Typical deflection from people who are uninformed about the Bible. Yes, it’s a sin, but I sin every time I worry about something or think bad thoughts about my neighbor’s barking dog. Sin is between the individual and God and is not for others to worry about. I couldn’t care less if two same-sex people want to shack up, but don’t call it marriage. Marriage is and always has been between a man and a woman. I would never support taking an institution that has been around forever and changing its very meaning.

josef

December 8th, 2012
10:57 am

DANNY

“The very Christian south leads the country in divorce, around half of all marriages.”

And, in one of those interesting little bits of trivia that Uncle Sam’s Redheaded Step Children will buck the trend or die trying….the 2010 Census shows that the South leads the nation in number of same sex households and same sex households with children…also the nation’s highest rates of racially mixed marriages…

Free Mind Is In The House

December 8th, 2012
10:58 am

The thing that gays need to comprehend is that everyone will not cosign to your lifestyle nor do we have to. Many people see homosexuality as a morality issue and guess what,people are allowed to have morals.

What you do is your business no doubt and that is indeed your choice to be homosexual but understand that people are allowed to choose not to support unnatural lifestyle so you need to get over getting upset at anyone that don’t support your lifestyle.

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
10:58 am

Gay used to mean happy before the word was confiscated and altered in meaning. Why not make up your own word, rather than steal one, if you don’t like the word homosexual?

Soothsayer

December 8th, 2012
10:58 am

Doggone/GA

December 8th, 2012
11:01 am

“Marriage is and always has been between a man and a woman”

Marriage is and always has been a legal contract. For millenia love had very little to do with it. So weren’t we “changing” marriage when we began raising the importance of the love connection and reducing the power of parents to dictate whom their children marry?

Morality?

December 8th, 2012
11:02 am

And Coke used to be slang for Coca Cola… back before Obama “experimented” with it. !st legal weed for taxation and net legal “Croak”?

josef

December 8th, 2012
11:02 am

FREE MIND

Lifestyle? Got news for ya, Bub, I’ll put mine and my partner’s up against yours any day of the week for downright boring! :-)

Soothsayer

December 8th, 2012
11:04 am

josef: you’re boring! :lol:

josef

December 8th, 2012
11:06 am

SOOTH

“josef: you’re boring! :-)

Which is why I come here…I believe in sharing the wealth! :-)

barking frog

December 8th, 2012
11:07 am

Why do heterosexuals believe they have the right to delve into
the bedroom of non-heterosexuals? Morality?