The GOP has staked its future on political quicksand

Why are congressional Republicans at such a disadvantage in negotiations about the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling? Is it just a failure of messaging? Is it a simple lack of backbone, as Rush Limbaugh, Jim DeMint and others argue?

Well, it doesn’t help the GOP cause that President Obama’s job-approval rating has jumped to 57 percent in the latest AP poll, the highest since the death of Osama bin Laden. (And isn’t it refreshing that the entire “Obama ain’t a real American/president” meme has simply evaporated since the election?) In that same poll, just 32 percent of Americans say they support extending the Bush tax cuts for all Americans, a policy that represents one of the cornerstones of current Republican policy.

I realize that poll interpretation has been a bit of a problem for Republicans recently, but even they must know that a policy backed by just 32 percent of the country is a poor piece of ground on which to stake your party’s future.

However, things get really dicey when you realize that preserving tax cuts for the rich is actually the more popular part of the GOP’s current political platform. The other part of their crusade — cutting spending in entitlements, most notably Medicare and Social Security — draws even less support from the American people, as a National Journal poll released this week demonstrates:natjo

Just 22 percent of Americans say they support cutting Social Security. Only 3 percent say they support cutting it by a lot. Just 20 percent support cutting Medicare either some or a lot. And defense spending? While Republicans insist that we devote even more of our resources to the Pentagon, 64 percent of the American people say it should be reduced by some or by a lot.

Now, I’m just an interested observer, not a political professional. But to meeeeeee, it seems risky for a party to push the nation over the fiscal cliff, or in the case of the debt ceiling to push the nation into default, in an effort to force adoption of policies that are opposed by four out of five Americans. That just doesn’t seem like a formula for long-term success.

Ken Baer and Jeff Liebman, writing in a New York Times op-ed today, make an interesting and related point regarding Medicare and Social Security. They note that over the past 40 years, federal spending has averaged about 21 percent of GDP. They also note CBO projections that “if current policies continue, total federal spending will rise to 24 percent of gross domestic product in 2022.”

Why that projected growth in spending?

While “Republicans and Washington deficit hawks argue that this means spending is out of control,” Baer and Liebman write, in reality “the main reason expenditures are rising this decade is that spending on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid is increasing by a whopping 3.7 percent of G.D.P. as the baby boomers age and retire.”

Every month, they point out, more than 200,000 baby boomers will be leaving the work force due to retirement (that’s also one reason the population-to-workforce ratio continues to drop). In the face of that very predictable retirement boom, insisting on dramatic cuts in Medicare and other programs simply is not realistic. Yes, we absolutely ought to seek every efficiency possible in those and other programs. But if slashing those programs just when they are most needed is your party’s main answer to our fiscal challenges, then you really have no answer at all.

Which is what the American people have been trying to tell the Republicans all along.

– Jay Bookman

427 comments Add your comment

Granny Godzilla

December 7th, 2012
12:08 pm

Heck of a job, GOP.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 7th, 2012
12:08 pm

(And isn’t it refreshing that the entire “Obama ain’t a real American/president” meme has simply evaporated since the election?)

Oh I doubt its been retired…. and we’ll hear it over and over from some of “retired” here.

HDB

December 7th, 2012
12:13 pm

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few…..or the one!!

—-Spock

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 7th, 2012
12:14 pm

Well, kif 200,000 are leaving the work force to retire every month then our unemployment problem is solved. We can just push some of these lazy, good-for-nothing jobless people setting around on their hind end and drawing guvmint checks into their place. I figure about three years will take care of it.

I’m for cutting out this Social Security and putting all those old geezers back to work. You can’t hardly find anything at WalMart these days and there’s not a greeter in sight at most stores. They can just work till they drop like the rest of us.

But keep the guvmint’s hands off of my Medicare.

Besides, I got more important things to worry about. Like what I’m going to get the missus for Christmas. Her electric frying pan is only 10 years old and she’s got mixers and microwaves and all that stuff from previous Christmases. You know a woman don’t feel worth anything unless she’s cooking for a man. And don’t come up with any of these computer doo-dads. She can’t read so they’re no use to her. But if you think of something she can use I’d be mighty grateful to hear from you.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Peadawg

December 7th, 2012
12:15 pm

Jay, why’d you skip the monthly jobs report blog?

barking frog

December 7th, 2012
12:16 pm

Go over the cliff or admit they are wrong. My money is on
the cliff.

Vedette

December 7th, 2012
12:18 pm

The Republicans consistently manage to be on the wrong side of every issue, and yet they refuse to learn from the messages that We the People are sending them. What we’re witnessing is Political Darwinism at work.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 7th, 2012
12:20 pm

Redneck,
Get her a new wash board…

emo

December 7th, 2012
12:24 pm

I always know that, in any poll, if there are 30% on the wrong side, it’s all the republicans. The rest of the country is usually on the right side. Remember Bush’s last term, when his popularity ranged from 25 – 30%? Guess who?

Atlas Shrugging

December 7th, 2012
12:24 pm

I’m not only betting on the cliff, I can’t wait to see the pile of takers at the bottom.

Redcoat

December 7th, 2012
12:25 pm

just getting out of the way……Dems/Libs own it…..be happy now!…:)

arnold

December 7th, 2012
12:28 pm

The GOP ability to understand polls can be explained by our army drill instructor. Everyone’s out of step but them. :-)

CB

December 7th, 2012
12:28 pm

Good!! Let them sink and take the Taliban Tea Party of America with them. The country would be better off without them. A better more moderate, saner and patriotic GOP will rise in the aftermath.

Granny Godzilla

December 7th, 2012
12:31 pm

Atlas Shrugging

December 7th, 2012
12:24 pm

I’m not only betting on the cliff, I can’t wait to see the pile of takers at the bottom.
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.
.
Just how will you be able to do that being at the bottom of that pile and all?

DJ Sniper

December 7th, 2012
12:31 pm

The GOP continues to fail in every way imaginable. For the most part, their polices and ways of thinking were rejected by the voters. Instead of trying to right the ship and chart a new course that would bring them into the 21 century, they continue to hang their hats on the same old outdated ideas. They can’t go away fast enough for me.

CJ

December 7th, 2012
12:31 pm

Yes, we absolutely ought to seek every efficiency possible in those and other programs. But if slashing those programs just when they are most needed is your party’s main answer to our fiscal challenges, then you really have no answer at all.

I agree. And there are three things that we can do which are no-brainers:

1. Eliminate the payroll cap on Social Security.

2. Allow Medicare to negotiate for lower prescription drug prices.

3. Allow any and all Americans to buy into Medicare (or not) at actuarially sound rates (aka: “public option” or “Medicare for All”).

That’s real entitlement reform that even a liberal could love.

Liberal Pariah

December 7th, 2012
12:32 pm

We are already over the fiscal cliff. The question is when do we hit bottom?

indigo

December 7th, 2012
12:35 pm

It’s no accident that “preserving tax cuts for the rich” is the number one priority for Republicans. Their Big Business masters are determined to reap the financial rewards of predatory Capitalism for as long as possible.

As proof, just ask yourself do the Republicans actually care about “what the American people have been trying to tell” them all along?

arnold

December 7th, 2012
12:36 pm

CJ. What about a percentage of capital gains towards SS in addition to salary? Some, like Mitt, don’t have salaries, but other types of income.

mbtc

December 7th, 2012
12:42 pm

Redneck: Victoria’s Secret is ready when you are.

JohnnyReb

December 7th, 2012
12:46 pm

Yea, and 48% of voters stated loud and clear they don’t want no stinking Obama plan.

You can spin all you like, that’s the latest RELIABLE poll.

There are no tax cuts in work for the middle class although Legacy media would have the dumb believe so.

What is in-work is a political trophy that would raise the rates on some, not all, and result in less jobs and slower growth because the people who would pay more are the people who own the jobs.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. The people who will receive the tax increases can make it just fine with additional taxes. It won’t be that pretty for the ones who can’t find a job.

JohnnyReb

December 7th, 2012
12:51 pm

I see the Moonbat delusion about Barry’s reelection continues. Let me repeat.

America voted for status-quo. Barry is still POTUS, Dems control the Senate. Repubs control the House. BTW the money is in the House.

Barry won less than 51% of the popular vote.

About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.

So, spare us the not listening to voters ranting, anything about a mandate, etc. You are not as big as you think, except maybe in the ass.

alex

December 7th, 2012
12:52 pm

It is precisely this well predicted increase in spending that must be dealt with as it happens instead of after it happens. It is precisely why we put money away in our own personal lives if we know we will need to make a large expenditure before the event instead of playing “catchup”. This is often described as mature adult behavior.the authors are actually making the point of adjusting medicare and these other social programs. Slashing might be a bit excessive, means testing and raising the age for perhaps some of the participants may help significantly. It is also interesting that these numbers have not changed at all since the discussion of the “cliff”. I don’t think it is at all surprising that people do not want benefits cut and as other data supports the people do not really believe in a cliff, so why cut something that they do not believe is causing trouble. Fortunately the repubs and the president have long thought that entitlements do need to be cut (not SLASHED, end drama..). This is called leadership and in the long run will help the country.But saving is not part of the American DNA is it?

Jack ®

December 7th, 2012
12:53 pm

Bookman says he’s not a political professional. I didn’t know that. I’ll bet his devotees didn’t know that. I sorta wish he’d kept it a secret.

Jefferson

December 7th, 2012
12:54 pm

Spending on SS add 0 to deficit as it still funds itself, we payed for it. The gov’t owes us just as well as the Chinese so why do the republicans want to shaft the Americans from who they borrow their salary from ?

Defense and Medical profession and insurance company greed is where the money goes.

If you live longer maybe you should pay more in is the solution to SS along with no cap on income.

Darwin

December 7th, 2012
12:54 pm

Another Republican hypocrisy – talking about government reform. For example: Try to reform an entitlement program, like Medicare, they’re the first ones out there talking death panels and how benefits were cut by $761 billion.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 7th, 2012
12:54 pm

Why are congressional Republicans at such a disadvantage in negotiations about the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling?

Ummmm. I’ll leave this one alone.

JohnnyReb

December 7th, 2012
12:56 pm

I see the Moonbat delusion about Barry’s reelection continues. Let me repeat.

America voted for status-quo. Barry is still POTUS, Dems still control the Senate. Repubs still control the House. BTW the money is in the House.

Barry won less than 51% of the popular vote.

About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.

So, spare us the Republicans not listening to voters ranting, anything about Barry getting a mandate, etc. You are not as big as you think, except maybe in the ass.

DannyX

December 7th, 2012
12:57 pm

“About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.”

Lol.

DebbieDoRight -- The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism Is Capitalists...

December 7th, 2012
12:58 pm

indigo – the republicans’ #1 priority is jobs, Jobs, JOBS!

However, if that doesn’t work out — their #2 priority is uterus, Uterus, UTERUS!!

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Common from downtown: DDR

My bro-n-law has to be the most kindnest man EVAH to put up with a bunch of women, (one pregnant, one half crazy, and one special needs
—————————————————————————-

Which one are you ?

Definitely NOT the pregnant one! I’m the half crazy one — the other half is chocolate. :wink:

JamVet

December 7th, 2012
12:59 pm

RC, I’m thinking that a years worth of Levi Garrett or Red Man would be a nice touch…

Joe Hussein Mama

December 7th, 2012
1:04 pm

J. Reb — “I see the Moonbat delusion about Barry’s reelection continues. Let me repeat.”

Better yet, let me correct your numerous misapprehensions.

“America voted for status-quo.”

America voted overwhelmingly for Democrats in the White House, the Senate *and* the House.

“Barry is still POTUS”

Yes.

“Dems control the Senate.”

With several additional Senate seats picked up.

“Repubs control the House.”

With a significant loss of seats. Plus, in aggregate, more votes were cast nationwide for Democratic House candidates than for Republican House candidates. If it wasn’t for gerrymandering, the GOP would be the minority in both houses starting in January.

“BTW the money is in the House.”

And so are more Democrats now. :D

“Barry won less than 51% of the popular vote.”

President Obama won more popular and electoral votes than President Bush did in *either* of Bush’s two elections.

“About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.”

And if you were plumbed differently, you’d be Johnette Reb. :roll:

“So, spare us the not listening to voters ranting, anything about a mandate, etc.”

Dick Cheney said Bush’s 2004 reelection was a “mandate.” So if you don’t want to hear anything about mandates, go talk to Cheney about it. Otherwise, go pound sand. :D

“You are not as big as you think, except maybe in the ass.”

I love how whiny and butthurt you are about the re-election. It’s almost like you were running for a seat and got your hindquarters handed to you by a Democrat. :D

stands for decibels

December 7th, 2012
1:05 pm

I can’t wait to see the pile of takers at the bottom.

Takers? You mean like Alan “I inherited my Daddy’s Senate Seat” Simpson and Erskine “My Daddy was a Governor” Bowles?

Brosephus™

December 7th, 2012
1:06 pm

Yea, and 48% 47% of voters stated loud and clear they don

Brosephus™

December 7th, 2012
1:08 pm

Barry won less than 51% of the popular vote.

I remember being chastised by conservatives here that the popular vote didn’t matter when it comes to the presidential election and that it was about the electoral college vote. Going by the conservative metric, Obama won with 61% of the vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

Steve

December 7th, 2012
1:11 pm

@Joe Mama – OH, SNAP!!!

Mick

December 7th, 2012
1:12 pm

As a member of the baby boom generation who voted for reagan twice, I will never vote republican again if their solutions amount to more tax cuts for the rich and figure out ways to cut social security which I and others have paid in close to 50 years now.
As far as meicare and medicaid, well those programs need to be reworked and the fraud needs to be eradicated. Miami republican cubans have figured out how to scam those programs for close to a billion a year, it’s got to stop…

Butch Cassidy (I)

December 7th, 2012
1:12 pm

JohnnyReb – “About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.”

I’ll have to put that one next to ” We would have won if hadn’t lost”. LOL :)

Fred ™

December 7th, 2012
1:14 pm

Atlas Shrugging

December 7th, 2012
12:24 pm

I’m not only betting on the cliff, I can’t wait to see the pile of takers at the bottom.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

We would expect nothing less from someone who would name themselves after the maniacal rantings of an amped up meth hoe. Someone like you who worships drug addicts isn’t exactly someone I really want analysis from……….

tm

December 7th, 2012
1:14 pm

They forgot to ask the final question-

HOW MANY OF YOUR ARE WILLING TO PAY HIGHER TAXES SO THAT THE PROGRAMS CAN CONTINUE AS CURRENTLY FUNDED???

I expect 68% would say no. Nothing but a bunch of moochers.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 7th, 2012
1:15 pm

Will the Australian radio pranksters be held accountable in the nurse’s suicide? You shouldn’t screw with someone’s job to get a laugh at their expense.

Fred ™

December 7th, 2012
1:17 pm

Where is our hero, Nero today?

DebbieDoRight -- The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism Is Capitalists...

December 7th, 2012
1:17 pm

JohnnyR: Barry won less than 51% of the popular vote. About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.

There are two ways you can look at the above ^^. You can say that Mitt LOST with 47% of the vote; or you can say that with $3m more dollars in my account; then I’d probably be bitching about going up on my taxes too.

Either way, it all boils down to one word – Loosers.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 7th, 2012
1:18 pm

Technical problems with the blog getting a bit worse lately huh Jay?

Steve

December 7th, 2012
1:20 pm

I’d gladly pay higher taxes if it meant stabilizing the economy so I could keep my job and not be laid off every couple of years due to swinging economic chaos.

Progressives have been right all along. We told you that the GOP had moved to plutocratic ways, that we were regressing back to the Robber Baron era. Americans got suckered into wedge issues and wars, while the GOP quietly funneled money up to the wealthiest, while the rest of us worked more for less money. Americans aren’t the brightest bunch on the planet, but many are starting to get it now. It’s a progressive revolution and the country is firmly leaning center left and will continue to for a long time. Dems have grown some balls and now know how to fight back.

tm

December 7th, 2012
1:20 pm

They forgot to ask the last question

HOW MANY OF YOU WILL SUPPORT RAISING TAXES ON EVERYONE TO PAY FOR THE FUNDING OF THESE PROGRAMS?

I expect that the 68% would say not me–nothing but a bunch of moochers.

SwamiDave

December 7th, 2012
1:20 pm

Jay:

I think that you could produce similar poll numbers if you interview 3 wolves and 1 sheep about dinner!

Baer and Liebman write, in reality “the main reason expenditures are rising this decade is that spending on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid is increasing by a whopping 3.7 percent of G.D.P. as the baby boomers age and retire.”

This very fact highlights the reality that our current model on its existing trajectory is unsustainable. This is not a problem of revenues; it is a problem of spending under current parameters.

“Plans” that raise taxes immediately or on specific groups combined with targets or promises of future spending restraint (aka – lower rates of growth) are frauds as are those who propose them.

The obstruction to “compromise” sits squarely on the Democratic side of the table. There is no willingness to discuss HOW revenues might be raised (”higher taxes on the rich or I will veto”). There is no willingness to discuss real cuts to spending that can be implemented immediately (”focus on revenues now & we will discuss spending next Spring“). There are added demands for unilateral debt limit authority as a part of this negotiation.

If the wolves are unwilling to negotiate, the sheep is wasting its time (which would be better spent protecting itself).

-SD

CJ

December 7th, 2012
1:21 pm

arnold @12:36,

Generally, I agree that we should tax investment income (capital gains and dividends) at precisely the same rates as earned income (income from labor).

However, correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that Social Security benefit calculations are based exclusively on earned income. If so, then it might make sense to exclude Social Security taxes from investment income.

That said, Medicare benefits are available to all Americans, regardless of their primary source of income, so in my view, no such exception should apply to the Medicare payroll tax.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 7th, 2012
1:21 pm

They can raise my taxes. Though I wish they would throw a little more of my money to food inspections and less to defense. We are too focused on the enemy outside our borders and not the enemy within it.

Regnad Kcin

December 7th, 2012
1:21 pm

“About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.”

JReb – …and if pigs had wings, they’d be pigeons… *sigh*

F. Sinkwich

December 7th, 2012
1:21 pm

“As far as meicare and medicaid, well those programs need to be reworked ”

Really?

That’s what the Mittster said, but what happened? He was crucified by O’bozo and his band of MSM sycophants and moonbat supporters as evil incarnate for suggesting such a thing.

Go figure.

PressedOn

December 7th, 2012
1:24 pm

What’s dicey is the chart indicates voters have become all too dependent on government aid. When the government fails to deliver, what then?

A sad end to a once proud Republic. Principles are a thing of the past….a worthwhile venture as long as they held.

Steve

December 7th, 2012
1:24 pm

Raise taxes when the economy is strong again. That is the progressive plan. Start with the wealthy (who have all the cash now, that they are sitting on or investing overseas). GUT the military and rework it to 21st century standards. Clean up SS/medicare/medicaid. Bring in single payer and throw ObamaCare out the door.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 7th, 2012
1:24 pm

Swami with the normal canned sheeple Con response.

Fred ™

December 7th, 2012
1:24 pm

“About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.”

Yeah, and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle………

phil

December 7th, 2012
1:24 pm

Raise taxes. It’s always the solution regardless of the problem.

getalife

December 7th, 2012
1:25 pm

I don’t care about the gop’s future.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 7th, 2012
1:26 pm

and if pigs had wings, they’d be pigeons

and if turtles had an “oink” they’d be pigs. We call ours the “water pig”

Welcome to the Occupation

December 7th, 2012
1:26 pm

PressedOn: “What’s dicey is the chart indicates voters have become all too dependent on government aid”

Yes, which tells you what?

(Hint: got something to do with capitalism failing)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 7th, 2012
1:27 pm

Raise Cut taxes. It’s always the solution regardless of the problem.

Steve

December 7th, 2012
1:28 pm

Georgia has cut taxes to the bone and we have failing infrastructures and a high unemployment rate. But we do have wealthy gated community enclaves in a few spots, and a whole lot of poor people.

Brosephus™

December 7th, 2012
1:29 pm

Fred @ 1:24

Unsportsmanlike conduct!!!!!

oops

December 7th, 2012
1:29 pm

Why is Obama holding the middle class hostage purely to raise taxes on the wealthy?

Welcome to the Occupation

December 7th, 2012
1:29 pm

getalife: “I don’t care about the gop’s future.”

I hate it when liberals – including Jay, and even Krugman sometimes – trot out the old saying that having a robust opposition party in the conservatives is good for the country. Bull.

Sort of like hearing a cop say “well I’m glad the drug dealers are around, otherwise we’d have no work ya know?’”. Kind of a head-scratcher.

getalife

December 7th, 2012
1:30 pm

“Where is our hero, Nero today?”

I took care of him yesterday.

jewcowboy

December 7th, 2012
1:30 pm

“About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.

So, spare us the not listening to voters ranting, anything about a mandate, etc.”

So let me get this right. In 2004, Bush won 50.7% of the popular vote to Kerry’s 48.3%. Bush received 3,012.166 more votes than did Kerry. Bush receive 288 electoral votes to Kerry’s 256.

This translated to a mandate: http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Bush-claims-mandate-sets-2nd-term-goals-I-2637116.php

Fast forward. In 2012, Obama won 50.9% of the vote to Romney’s 47.3%. Obama received 4,676,165 more votes than Romney did. Obama received 332 electoral votes to Romney’s 206.

This, however, does not translate to mandate. Please explain.

Fred ™

December 7th, 2012
1:30 pm

Brocephus: Come do my brakes.

Wait a minute

December 7th, 2012
1:31 pm

We owe $9 trillion to outsiders (the $5 trillion owed to Social Security was just an income tax under another name). How about the fact that about 100% (except for Libertarian or other small government types within the Republican party) of our current leadership is just advocating continued massive deficit spending? That’s failure on both parties as neither has any leadership capabilties or vision whatsoever. John Boehner has advocated raising taxes to pay less than 8% of our annual budget deficit, Barack Obama has advocated raising taxes to cover less than 16% of current budget deficit (while conveniently asking for MORE expenditures to stimulate the economy. How incredibly stupid is that while we are $1 trillion a year or more in the hole). A balanced budget is required NOW or we’ll lose control of everything we have very soon (sense of security, ability to be involved in any world affairs, currency that has even any value, etc.). These guys are all buffoons. And Americans (based on their votes as well as the dumb, uneducated answers in the polls above as they all avoid the real issue and are contradictory at best) aren’t a whole lot smarter (which explains much of the recent election results).

Fred ™

December 7th, 2012
1:31 pm

getalife

December 7th, 2012
1:30 pm

“Where is our hero, Nero today?”

I took care of him yesterday.
+++++++++++++++++

You mean you gave him a bare butt spanking right here in front of God and everybody and he’s too embarrassed to show his face?

Brosephus™

December 7th, 2012
1:31 pm

Finn @ 1:26

Piling on after the play is over!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Y’all should quit picking on the conservatives here. It’s not their individual fault that the conservative presidential candidate has lost 5 of the last 6 popular votes. They did their part and voted (R).

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 7th, 2012
1:32 pm

This, however, does not translate to mandate. Please explain.

It just doesn’t, and SHUT UP!

Mick

December 7th, 2012
1:32 pm

sink

I wasn’t alluding to having the medicare vouchers that ryan proposed. No, just some solid math without all the smoke and mirrors to stabilize and strengthen. The real problem is medicaid, what to do?

BlahBlahBlah

December 7th, 2012
1:32 pm

Bookman News Flash – people want higher taxes on other people and don’t want cuts in spending that benefits them.

In other news, water is wet.

Brosephus™

December 7th, 2012
1:32 pm

Fred

If their disc brakes, I got you covered. I hate f**king with drum brakes.

jewcowboy

December 7th, 2012
1:33 pm

Kamchak,

“It just doesn’t, and SHUT UP!”

:)

getalife

December 7th, 2012
1:33 pm

“Sort of like hearing a cop say “well I’m glad the drug dealers are around, otherwise we’d have no work ya know?’”. Kind of a head-scratcher.”

I don’t care about the gop..

BRW

December 7th, 2012
1:33 pm

“About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.”
And about three million more brain cells and you would have 3,000,001.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 7th, 2012
1:33 pm

F. Sinkiewicz — “That’s what the Mittster said”

Nope.

He didn’t offer to rework them. He just offered to cut them by the same amount the President wanted to. The difference was that under the President’s plan, the increased efficiencies squeezed out by those cuts would pay for expanding the program.

Whereas under the Romney-Ryan plan, those cuts were simply cuts. If they paid for anything at all, it was probably more tax cuts for the rich.

A pleasure to keep you honest this afternoon, Fishy. (tips hat)

getalife

December 7th, 2012
1:34 pm

“You mean you gave him a bare butt spanking right here in front of God and everybody and he’s too embarrassed to show his face?”

Yes.

Brosephus™

December 7th, 2012
1:34 pm

This, however, does not translate to mandate. Please explain.

It’s not a mandate when the (R) candidate loses. :)

DJ Sniper

December 7th, 2012
1:37 pm

It’s so funny to hear the neo-cons still whining about the election results. Sour grapes much?

Regnad Kcin

December 7th, 2012
1:37 pm

“About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.”

Yes – Romney would only have lost by a million-and-a-half votes…

Obama would STILL have a mandate…

Sargent Schriver

December 7th, 2012
1:39 pm

Gosh, I read these articles and come away astounded at the idea that anybody with a lick of sense would realize they’re not valid. A majority don’t want anything cut? Really? Big surprise. A majority don’t want to extend the Bush Tax Cuts? Why? Because what they’re responded to won’t touch them. So you ask a bunch of people who have only something to gain–or not lose–and which way do you think the answer will go. Can’t believe this country has been taken over by a bunch of simpletons. People read these articles and somehow extract something meaningful from them. What an absolute joke.

F. Sinkwich

December 7th, 2012
1:40 pm

O’bozo has absolutely no interest in fixing the deficit. This little tax-the-rich charade is exactly that — it does nothing to solve the problem but it makes him and his clueless commie choir feel better about themselves somehow.

But it is what it is. We now have a country where the takers outnumber the makers. And them makers are gonna go down cause for some unknown reason their demise enhances moonbat self esteem.

Pity.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 7th, 2012
1:40 pm

“GUT the military and rework it to 21st century standards. ”

21st Century standards????? What does that mean?

Oh by all means gut the military. We aint afraid of no stinking nerve gas.

the cat

December 7th, 2012
1:40 pm

Finn-is that not the saddest thing?

GT

December 7th, 2012
1:41 pm

Obama ran circles around them in reading the election and now he is running circles around them in outthinking them on this subject. This is the Republican Party that runs industry, yet they can’t stop shooting themselves in the foot and look like sophomores more than once alongside Obama. You ever wonder why we pay these people so much money. If the best minds of this country can’t put up a better show than this, the Republican Party, maybe they are cheating to get the jobs in industry they get. Maybe we just think they are smart.

getalife

December 7th, 2012
1:41 pm

“We now have a country where the takers outnumber the makers.”

Total bs.

Regnad Kcin

December 7th, 2012
1:42 pm

To those like the SGT. who argue ” Why? Because what they’re responded to won’t touch them.” – are you proposing a dictatorship?

What alternative do you offer to the current “of the people, by the people” system you disdain?

A Simple Man

December 7th, 2012
1:42 pm

I have several kids in my family and they easily outnumber the adults. They want pizza every night. Doesn’t make it right.

RB from Gwinnett

December 7th, 2012
1:44 pm

“Well, it doesn’t help the GOP cause that President Obama’s job-approval rating has jumped to 57 percent in the latest AP poll, the highest since the death of Osama bin Laden.”

Led by the cheerleaders in the media such as Bookman who spoon feed the sheep all the gravy they can lap up while hiding the “unpleasantries” from them. Shocker there…

Did your stellar journalistic skills ever turn up who made up the BS story about the youtube video and why the POTUS thought it wise to keep pushing it on the people 2 weeks after the attack when he knew for absolute certain that was a complete lie long before that?

We’re broke, Jay. Our kids owe hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and your party is demanding they be allowed to spend even more. Un friggin believable.

Sargent Schriver

December 7th, 2012
1:44 pm

Somehow, the fact that Obama intentionally did not act on the Bush Tax Cuts during the first two years when the Dems controlled everthing seems to be conveniently forgotten by most. He could have pushed through this and anything he wanted, but chose to let it sit so it could be used politically later. So now we’re still yapping about these taxes when it could have been a done deal much sooner but the Dem nitwits didn’t want to take the hit and,predictably, we’re still wasting time on it. What a joke of a ‘I want my freebies and bennies’ party.

jewcowboy

December 7th, 2012
1:44 pm

“We now have a country where the takers outnumber the makers.”

I wonder how many sales of “Atlas Shrugged” are for replacement copies when the pages get stuck together due to the masturbatory fantasies of “conservative” males…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 7th, 2012
1:44 pm

Regnad Kcin

December 7th, 2012
1:45 pm

When we read the word, “O’bozo,” most of us menally translate it into “this poster is an idiot.” If you want to convince people of a position, acting older than seven might advance your argument better…

getalife

December 7th, 2012
1:45 pm

“We’re broke”

Yeah four trillion in revenue is broke.

GT

December 7th, 2012
1:45 pm

A Simple Man confusing kids with adults will always lead you to a wrong conclusion.

Fred ™

December 7th, 2012
1:46 pm

Hey Nunna, from downstairs:

Nunna Yobinnes

December 7th, 2012
11:01 am

Here ya go Fred:

“your lack of knowledge … your blatant declaration of ignorance here”
++++++++++++++++++++++++

Actually the only thing I can be accused of THERE is redundancy, and again you show your ignorance with that post.

Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).[1] The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware.

You see Nunna, we are ALL ignorant about something. That doesn’t make us stupid.

Stupid:
a : slow of mind :
b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner
c : lacking intelligence or reason

Google is your friend. Buddy up with it and you won;t BE so ignorant. :mrgreen:

BRW

December 7th, 2012
1:46 pm

Simpleton Man, As their father, you could also feed them nothing.
Wouldn’t make it right.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 7th, 2012
1:46 pm

Somehow, the fact that Obama intentionally did not act on the Bush Tax Cuts during the first two years when the Dems controlled everthing[sic] seems to be conveniently forgotten by most.

Addressed here numerous times already.