The GOP has staked its future on political quicksand
Why are congressional Republicans at such a disadvantage in negotiations about the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling? Is it just a failure of messaging? Is it a simple lack of backbone, as Rush Limbaugh, Jim DeMint and others argue?
Well, it doesn’t help the GOP cause that President Obama’s job-approval rating has jumped to 57 percent in the latest AP poll, the highest since the death of Osama bin Laden. (And isn’t it refreshing that the entire “Obama ain’t a real American/president” meme has simply evaporated since the election?) In that same poll, just 32 percent of Americans say they support extending the Bush tax cuts for all Americans, a policy that represents one of the cornerstones of current Republican policy.
I realize that poll interpretation has been a bit of a problem for Republicans recently, but even they must know that a policy backed by just 32 percent of the country is a poor piece of ground on which to stake your party’s future.
However, things get really dicey when you realize that preserving tax cuts for the rich is actually the more popular part of the GOP’s current political platform. The other part of their crusade — cutting spending in entitlements, most notably Medicare and Social Security — draws even less support from the American people, as a National Journal poll released this week demonstrates:
Just 22 percent of Americans say they support cutting Social Security. Only 3 percent say they support cutting it by a lot. Just 20 percent support cutting Medicare either some or a lot. And defense spending? While Republicans insist that we devote even more of our resources to the Pentagon, 64 percent of the American people say it should be reduced by some or by a lot.
Now, I’m just an interested observer, not a political professional. But to meeeeeee, it seems risky for a party to push the nation over the fiscal cliff, or in the case of the debt ceiling to push the nation into default, in an effort to force adoption of policies that are opposed by four out of five Americans. That just doesn’t seem like a formula for long-term success.
Ken Baer and Jeff Liebman, writing in a New York Times op-ed today, make an interesting and related point regarding Medicare and Social Security. They note that over the past 40 years, federal spending has averaged about 21 percent of GDP. They also note CBO projections that “if current policies continue, total federal spending will rise to 24 percent of gross domestic product in 2022.”
Why that projected growth in spending?
While “Republicans and Washington deficit hawks argue that this means spending is out of control,” Baer and Liebman write, in reality “the main reason expenditures are rising this decade is that spending on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid is increasing by a whopping 3.7 percent of G.D.P. as the baby boomers age and retire.”
Every month, they point out, more than 200,000 baby boomers will be leaving the work force due to retirement (that’s also one reason the population-to-workforce ratio continues to drop). In the face of that very predictable retirement boom, insisting on dramatic cuts in Medicare and other programs simply is not realistic. Yes, we absolutely ought to seek every efficiency possible in those and other programs. But if slashing those programs just when they are most needed is your party’s main answer to our fiscal challenges, then you really have no answer at all.
Which is what the American people have been trying to tell the Republicans all along.
– Jay Bookman
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Regnad Kcin
December 7th, 2012
1:46 pm
“I have several kids in my family and they easily outnumber the adults. They want pizza every night. Doesn’t make it right’
So, what alternative to democracy are you actually proposing?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 7th, 2012
1:46 pm
F. Sinkiewicz — “But it is what it is. We now have a country where the takers outnumber the makers. And them makers are gonna go down cause for some unknown reason their demise enhances moonbat self esteem. Pity.”
Translation: Onct you take alla our munneez, you won’t have us Reel Uhmurkins to kick around no moar!
George P. Burdell
December 7th, 2012
1:46 pm
I don’t have any polling data on it but I’d bet something like 85% of fat kids love cake. That number only increases when the cake is provided by someone else. So, I guess we should just give fat kids cake and not worry about the long term consequences.
DannyX
December 7th, 2012
1:46 pm
“About three million more Conservative voters in the right place and things would be entirely different.”
Well at least Republicans aren’t blaming the Romney loss on ACORN this time.
Oh wait, they are!
From a recent PPP poll,
“49% of GOP voters nationally say they think that ACORN stole the election for President Obama. We found that 52% of Republicans thought that ACORN stole the 2008 election for Obama, so this is a modest decline, but perhaps smaller than might have been expected given that ACORN doesn’t exist anymore.”
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/12/republicans-not-handling-election-results-well.html
Lol.
DJ Sniper
December 7th, 2012
1:47 pm
Let me comment on Sargent Schriver’s post before more people start to believe it: Obama and the Democrats NEVER had a super majority in Congress. That is yet another right wing lie that far too many people continue to believe to this day.
jewcowboy
December 7th, 2012
1:47 pm
“Did your stellar journalistic skills ever turn up who made up the BS story about the youtube video and why the POTUS thought it wise to keep pushing it on the people 2 weeks after the attack when he knew for absolute certain that was a complete lie long before that? ”
Pssstt…the vast majority of the country doesn’t give a rip about that. And those who keep pushing it are looking…well…kinda silly.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
1:48 pm
Sargent Schriver
December 7th, 2012
1:44 pm
Somehow, the fact that Obama intentionally did not act on the Bush Tax Cuts during the first two years when the Dems controlled everthing seems to be conveniently forgotten by most. He could have pushed through this and anything he wanted, but chose to let it sit so it could be used politically later. So now we’re still yapping about these taxes when it could have been a done deal much sooner but the Dem nitwits didn’t want to take the hit and,predictably, we’re still wasting time on it. What a joke of a ‘I want my freebies and bennies’ party.
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Neal Boortz, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity? Or a combo of the FOXBOT programming from all three? Anyone know?
DJ Sniper
December 7th, 2012
1:48 pm
ACORN? Jesus, these idiots just refuse to let it go.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 7th, 2012
1:48 pm
Thanks Fred. I appreciate your compassion for me.
F. Sinkwich
December 7th, 2012
1:48 pm
“You ever wonder why we pay these people so much money.”
Envy much?
stands for decibels
December 7th, 2012
1:49 pm
Yeah four trillion in revenue is broke.
Can we hurl the “we’re broke” guys over the cliff? Pleeeze?
getalife
December 7th, 2012
1:49 pm
The gop are always dead wrong and they say we are going over the cliff.
So odds are the speaker and the President will cut a deal.
See how easy it is to predict the future.
Just think differently from the gop to get it right.
Brosephus™
December 7th, 2012
1:50 pm
DannyX
You don’t need a poll to see that Republicans aren’t handling the election results well. All you need to do is read most any blog available on the internet. The meltdowns and deflections are great entertainment.
A Simple Man
December 7th, 2012
1:50 pm
@ Kids = politicians.
@BRW = correct (unless they’re not born yet).
hamiltonAZ
December 7th, 2012
1:51 pm
I am tired of the Obama bashers, tired of Obama’s post election hubris and mostly tired of Beltway gridlock. Don’t these people, who are supposed to understand the world better than me, realize that the world economy and the nation’s economy will continue to look like the kid waiting for a whipping so long and the US Congress and the US President continue to FAIL to provide consistency. The debt is not the crisis. Taxes are not the crisis. Uncertainty is the crisis and bouncing from one “crisis” to the next manufactured by people who apparently lack the institutional knowledge to govern successfully will continue to be the cause of sluggish economies. Small businesses are frozen, not from fear of taxes or healthcare, but from uncertainty. They don’t care which way it goes because they can adapt. They can’t adapt to uncertainty.
Still looking for that Statesman/woman who will send the message through the back channels that the deal can get done with a bump in the threshold (say from $250K to $500K) for eliminating the tax cuts and maybe a 4 year extension of the debt ceiling along with scaled caps on certain deductions.
BRW
December 7th, 2012
1:52 pm
“@BRW = correct (unless they’re not born yet).”
Poor attempt at subject change. Very Simpleton like I must admit.
jewcowboy
December 7th, 2012
1:52 pm
“during the first two years when the Dems controlled everthing…He could have pushed through this and anything he wanted,”
Umm…Senate Democrats only had a practical 60% super majority from Sept.24, 2009 to Feb. 4, 2010.
A Simple Man
December 7th, 2012
1:52 pm
@Regnad
No alternatives. Just pointing out that a majority vote doesn’t equal moral correctness.
DannyX
December 7th, 2012
1:52 pm
“The meltdowns and deflections are great entertainment.”
Brosephus, I love every minute of it.
Sargent Schriver
December 7th, 2012
1:53 pm
Regnad, so you hang your hat on a bunch of people who won’t see negative consequences from believing that, yes, others–but not me–should pay more to an inept government. It’s a ridiculous concept and I can’t believe it’s presented as legitimate news. This obsession over a tax increase that won’t hardly touch our problems and ignoring any solutions beyond this proposal and the way the Dem faithful somehow see this as the way out—-all the while maintaining the gravy train–well it screams of a lack of any real intellectual capacity.
indigo
December 7th, 2012
1:54 pm
Nero’s nanny told his rich mommie and daddy about all the time he’s spending here trying to play grown-up instead of doing his homeschooling work. So, as punishment, daddy took him to work and made him sit all day with the underpaid and overworked peons in Accounting.
BRW
December 7th, 2012
1:54 pm
” Just pointing out that a majority vote doesn’t equal moral correctness.”
And just because you believe it does not equal moral correctness either.
Good point.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
1:54 pm
I don’t have any polling data on it but I’d bet something like 85% of
fat kidstalk radio/FOXBOT idiotslove cakebelieve talk radio/FOXBOT lies. That number only increases when thecakelie is provided bysomeone elsea drug addict like Rush Limbaugh or Ayn Rand. So, I guess we should just givefat kidstalk radio/FOXBOT idiotscakelies and not worry about the long term consequences.There, I fixed that for you.
getalife
December 7th, 2012
1:54 pm
“Brosephus, I love every minute of it.”
Me too.
“Happy, happy.”
A Simple Man
December 7th, 2012
1:55 pm
@BRW
Lighten up, Francis. Just eating chicken and had a typo. Also, I was agreeing (somewhat) with you. So you don’t like my humor…
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
1:56 pm
Thanks Fred. I appreciate your compassion for me.
No problem pal. Always eager to help a brother out.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 7th, 2012
1:56 pm
Brosephus — “You don’t need a poll to see that Republicans aren’t handling the election results well. All you need to do is read most any blog available on the internet. The meltdowns and deflections are great entertainment.”
On some of the more-populated ones, they’re actually blaming EACH OTHER for not being conservative enough. Oh, there are some FINE trolling opportunities there!
Brosephus™
December 7th, 2012
1:56 pm
hamiltonAZ
Politics in America is all about the fight. Politicians are like Wile E. Coyote. All they know how to do is chase the office or chase the issue. When they actually catch their target, they don’t know what the hell to do after that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJW7EF5aVk
Reality Check
December 7th, 2012
1:56 pm
Truth is Obama has not started leading….just another campaign. And that’s where he and the Democrats excel. He doesn’t have a real plan. His numbers don’t add up, but hey, that doesn’t matter when the media is in his pocket.
To truly handle this “cliff” there needs to be real bipartisan compromise, but that will never happen with Obama. It’s not in his nature or plan. All he does is demonize conservatives and keep repeating his bullet points and most (unfortunately) believe him.
It’s quite obvious that the plan is to go off the cliff and then (again) blame Republicans. President Obama does not want what is best for the country, he wants to decimate the Republican party.
Reality may be bittersweet in the not-too-distant future.
Sargent Schriver
December 7th, 2012
1:56 pm
hamiltonAZ, can’t disagree. Good post.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 7th, 2012
1:57 pm
A Simple Man — “Just pointing out that a majority vote doesn’t equal moral correctness.”
Apply that to the Bush Administration and his adventure in Iraq, and we’ll be getting somewhere.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 7th, 2012
1:57 pm
I am tired of the Obama bashers, tired of Obama’s post election hubris and mostly tired of Beltway gridlock.
If you are that tired, go to bed for a week.
Geez….
Nunna Yobinnes
December 7th, 2012
1:59 pm
“If you are that tired, go to bed for a week.
Geez….”
I’m not HamiltonAZ, but I’d love to have a week off.
getalife
December 7th, 2012
2:00 pm
I am not tired of it.
Great jobs report.
Keep that good news coming.
stands for decibels
December 7th, 2012
2:01 pm
Senate Democrats only had a practical 60% super majority from Sept.24, 2009 to Feb. 4, 2010.
And that depended on the tender mercies of one Joe Lieberman, who just a few months earlier had been campaigning for John McCain.
Just in case there were any wonder as to why we didn’t get even a pissant little a public option as part of the PPACA, back in the day.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:02 pm
Dem faithful somehow see this as the way out—-all the while maintaining the gravy train–well it screams of a lack of any real intellectual capacity.
You keep toting the mail on that lie about a gravy train and the 47% and all that other stuff. It sure sound better to you than they truth which is thta you fell for a pack of talk radio/FOXBOT lies and just keep repeating them.
You look kind of slow to the rest of the world though……. well except for the other (few) poor souls who are in your talk radio/FOXBOT sheeple flock.
Baa baa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaU2UxB9ddA
Regnad Kcin
December 7th, 2012
2:02 pm
“Truth is Obama has not started leading….just another campaign”
Conservatives HATE it when you take issues to the people!
Sargent Schriver
December 7th, 2012
2:02 pm
“Truth is Obama has not started leading….just another campaign”
BO has the MSNBC nitwits to meet him in the WH a week or so ago. These nitwits rant and rave nonstop against the republican party, very rarely have guests appear who oppose their views and he wastes time with these nitwits. Why? They follow the DEM party like sheep, not to mention the shows’ ratings are pathetic. What is BO thinking? What would be the point of wasting this time? They will follow him to the end of the earth free meal or not.
A Simple Man
December 7th, 2012
2:02 pm
@ Joe
I think it’s universal. I would apply it to Bush, Reagan, Clinton and any other president or politician. I don’t believe Obama actually keeps a finger in the air to see which way he should vote. He does not strike me as that type. If he did, it would apply to him as well.
jewcowboy
December 7th, 2012
2:02 pm
stands for decibels,
“And that depended on the tender mercies of one Joe Lieberman, who just a few months earlier had been campaigning for John McCain.”
Good point.
RB from Gwinnett
December 7th, 2012
2:02 pm
“Pssstt…the vast majority of the country doesn’t give a rip about that.”
Of course not. They only care about keeping the free stuff train rollin’ and screwing the rich man to pay for it all. I swear if the man killed Kate and the baby they’d say, “well, he is still giving us free stuff, so I guess it’s ok. Hey, give me the remote, Cribs is on.”
getalife
December 7th, 2012
2:03 pm
“Conservatives HATE it when you take issues to the people!”
Our President warned them he would do it so they whine about it.
Sargent Schriver
December 7th, 2012
2:04 pm
“Truth is Obama has not started leading….just another campaign”
Yeah, that’s leadership. Get people to say others should pay more, but not them. Yeah, taking what to the people?
RB from Gwinnett
December 7th, 2012
2:04 pm
How many more years do we need to keep this welfare thing going before our poor stop being poor?
BRW
December 7th, 2012
2:04 pm
“Hey, give me the remote, Cribs is on”
RB showing his true “colors” again.
getalife
December 7th, 2012
2:04 pm
“They only care about keeping the free stuff”
Total bs.
hamiltonAZ
December 7th, 2012
2:04 pm
“reality” The President is leading and has led against big odds. He and the current senate/congress are testimony to why term limits are a bad idea. These people have so little experience and seem to give no truck to the experienced among them, that they don’t understand that the deals, the real discussions are made in front of cameras – that success requires them to get to know each other. I saw Trent Lott on an interview earlier (and disclosure: I’m not a fan). He made the good point that these people leave DC on Thursday night and come back on Monday. In the old days, the elected stayed in DC more and dined with each other ACROSS party lines. They were actually friends even though the vehemently disagreed on party lines. This was useful when tough issues required compromise. Nowadays, they don’t socialize and government can’t work on two day work weeks.
jewcowboy
December 7th, 2012
2:05 pm
RB from Gwinnett,
“hey only care about keeping the free stuff train rollin’”
Keep deluding yourself with statements like that and you’ll find yourself further and further marginalized.
Regnad Kcin
December 7th, 2012
2:05 pm
SGT – if “the shows’ ratings are pathetic,” why do you carte WHAT they say?
They certainly can’t be affecting public perceptions of the issues, with those pathetic ratings, can they?
hamiltonAZ
December 7th, 2012
2:05 pm
oops “not” made in front of cameras
deegee
December 7th, 2012
2:05 pm
The GOP was so absolutely certain that they would win in November that they didn’t give a thought to what would happen if they didn’t. They had no plan B. I got a chuckle over listening to the talking heads on CNBC this morning spinning the jobs report as something bad. If Romney had won they would be slapping each other on the back and extolling the virtues of electing a businessman to the presidency.
The economy is coming back as it always does after a recession. It’s taking longer this time because there is nothing that a bubble blower like Alan Greenspan could have done to speed it up. It the GOP will just take their medicine like grown ups we will all be better off.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 7th, 2012
2:06 pm
RB — “RB showing his true “colors” again.”
Indeed. Just one more reason he rarely gets serious replies any more.
Well, that and his spitty attitude.
getalife
December 7th, 2012
2:06 pm
rb,
Lets see you live off welfare and food stamps.
You would not last a week con.
Regnad Kcin
December 7th, 2012
2:07 pm
“Of course not. They only care about keeping the free stuff train rollin’ and screwing the rich man to pay for it all.”
gods – it must be terrrible to live in your head.
They BOTH suck
December 7th, 2012
2:07 pm
I would not bet too much on what the President’s approval is or isn’t.
Remember just last month, Romney was really way ahead because the pollsters were all wrong with their polling methodologies.
Oh, they were right…… never mind. Carry on
jewcowboy
December 7th, 2012
2:07 pm
RB from Gwinnett,
“How many more years do we need to keep this welfare thing going before our poor stop being poor?”
Dunno…ask Archer Daniels Midland, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, et. al.
Sargent Schriver
December 7th, 2012
2:09 pm
Fred, you didn’t offer up solutions. Just threw out the FOX stuff. Are you one of those who feel that others, but not you, should pay mo of that money? Is that what you were trying to say there?
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:10 pm
Of course not. They only care about keeping the free stuff train rollin’ and screwing the rich man to pay for it all.
You DO realize don’t you that the crap like thta which you are parroting for your talk radio/FOXBOT god’s is the same stuff Goebbels had Hitler saying about the Jews to get to where he got don’t you? Although it is so blatantly a lie he just kept repeating it until the disgruntled simpletons started believing it to be true. Hell you dehumanize folks (them evil libs) and it’s just a short step to shoving them into ovens. I mean they ARE just a drain on “you” superior “productive Republicans.”
But you keep on goose stepping and Seig Heiling to Rush.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:11 pm
RB from Gwinnett
December 7th, 2012
2:04 pm
How many more years do we need to keep this welfare thing going before our poor stop being poor?
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Do you believe in Jesus? Jesus said “You will always have the poor among you….”
Thomas Heyward Jr
December 7th, 2012
2:13 pm
Hey Brocephus…………..did you win any awards————–
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The TSA “honor[ed] its outstanding employees Tuesday” in Hawaii at its “Eighth Annual TSA Awards” (emphasis added. Who knew? Eight years of congratulating Thieves and Sexual Assailants, and on our dime).
Your taxes paid for these criminals and psychopaths to yuk it up at the Kaua‘i Marriott Resort and Beach Club. And while you might assume that “outstanding employees” are exceedingly few and far between at the agency (indeed, the same Google Alert that brought me this story starts with another about the TSA’s most recently discovered robber), the list of “honorees” stretches for 11 paragraphs. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/tsa-agent-accused-ipad-theft/story?id=17892885
Of course, Our Rulers no doubt define “outstanding employee” differently than we do. If you’ve managed to conduct your unauthorized plunder quietly enough to escape unflattering headlines while gate-raping victims so vigorously they’re too traumatized to complain, well, you’re no doubt in the running for “Employee of the Year.”
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Clearly…………….FED.gov needs more money.
jewcowboy
December 7th, 2012
2:13 pm
Fred ™,
“Do you believe in Jesus?”
Yep. He cuts my yard and does a fantastic job.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 7th, 2012
2:13 pm
Well, all I know is this Obama’s climbed up on a step stool. He’s reached up and got the Boner by the gonads. Now he’s threatening to jump.
I’d rather hump a million cases of PBR in a day than be the Boner right now.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:14 pm
ewcowboy
December 7th, 2012
2:13 pm
Fred ™,
“Do you believe in Jesus?”
Yep. He cuts my yard and does a fantastic job.
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Illegal alien exploiter.
Sargent Schriver
December 7th, 2012
2:14 pm
deegee, don’t know who you’re talking about. The typical GOP supporter had little confidence going into the election. Hopeful, yes. One party promising a lot of stuff and a record for giving stuff and the other party representing the possibility for taking away stuff….and what would you expect? More people needing stuff than people not needing stuff. It’s pretty basic.
seymour scagnetti
December 7th, 2012
2:16 pm
LOL! Another hilarious lecture from Jay Bookman.
Cutting out inefficiencies in SS and medicare will put about as much a dent in the sustainability of those programs as taxing the evil rich will put a dent in the government spending orgy.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:16 pm
Thomas Heyward Jr
December 7th, 2012
2:13 pm
Hey Brocephus…………..did you win any awards————–
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You ain’t the brightest bulb in the drawer are you? Brocephus works for Border Patrol you silly little man, so your pathetic attempt at calling him a criminal and psychopath was an utter FAIL JOB.
alex
December 7th, 2012
2:16 pm
2 Reality check, don’t agree with you, I don’t think Obama or any second term president wants or has wanted a economic forestorm that would agree without a compromise. Just politics here. The president has to have the repubs to suggest cuts that HE knows are mandatory in order to have cover from the far left wing of his party that will go crazy and to appease a lot of americans who do not want cuts) see chart). At some point we elect leaders to lead, we have to hope that they see through our greed and narcissim and look to the future of the country as a whole ..I’m hoping?…..
jewcowboy
December 7th, 2012
2:17 pm
Fred ™,
“Illegal alien exploiter.”
I don’t know about his residency status, but at the prices he charges I know damned well he is not poor.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:17 pm
Sargent Schriver
December 7th, 2012
2:14 pm
deegee, don’t know who you’re talking about. The typical GOP supporter had little confidence going into the election. Hopeful, yes. One party promising a lot of stuff and a record for giving stuff and the other party representing the possibility for taking away stuff….and what would you expect? More people needing stuff than people not needing stuff. It’s pretty basic.
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You keep telling yourself that lie and typing it here. It helps us identify the really STUPID people.
Union
December 7th, 2012
2:17 pm
This year, the system will pay out more in benefits than it receives in payroll taxes, an important threshold it was not expected to cross until at least 2016, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
Stephen C. Goss, chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, said that while the Congressional projection would probably be borne out, the change would have no effect on benefits in 2010 and retirees would keep receiving their checks as usual.
ny times – but no worries.. its all good
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:19 pm
JCB: If you ever get tired of “tithing” to Jesus let me know. My guy is really reasonable and you can even pay him using paypal lol.
getalife
December 7th, 2012
2:19 pm
You know how seriously the gop are taking “going over the cliff” by going back on vacation.
Doggone/GA
December 7th, 2012
2:21 pm
“Somehow, the fact that Obama intentionally did not act on the Bush Tax Cuts during the first two years when the Dems controlled everthing”
When you have to lie to make your point, you have no point
RB from Gwinnett
December 7th, 2012
2:21 pm
“Keep deluding yourself with statements like that and you’ll find yourself further and further marginalized.”
No delusions. I fully expect we’ll see producers outnumbered by consumers in the years to come and will roll headlong down the same path our friends in Europe went down. And the results will be about the same and you will all figure out it ain’t all that grand. It was predicted many many years ago the end of a democracy will occur when a majority figures out it can vote itself plunder from the public treasury. And here we are.
F. Sinkwich
December 7th, 2012
2:21 pm
Freddie’s whipping out the Nazi card.
Shallow thinking there, dude…..
Doggone/GA
December 7th, 2012
2:22 pm
“Obama and the Democrats NEVER had a super majority in Congress”
Actually…they did. But it was brief and only lasted until Masschusetts had their special election after Kennedy died
jewcowboy
December 7th, 2012
2:23 pm
Fred ™,
“If you ever get tired of “tithing” to Jesus let me know.”
Trolls Bane
December 7th, 2012
2:24 pm
Alot of polling numbers are irrelevant. It works kinda like this, out of the adult citizens (people eligible to vote), only a certain percentage are actually registered to vote. Out of these registered voters, only a certain percentage vote. All that any politian must do, is to get 50% +1 of the people that actually vote.
The most “rabid” supports of the republician ideology are very very likely to vote in every election … the republicans only need to insure the true believers get to the voteing booth and the support of enough independents (people in the middle) to win … what has happened is that the republicans made if very very hard for the independents and more pragmatic people to vote for them.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:24 pm
“No delusions. I fully expect we’ll see producers outnumbered by consumers in the years to come and will roll headlong down the same path our friends in Europe went down. And the results will be about the same and you will all figure out it ain’t all that grand. It was predicted many many years ago the end of a democracy will occur when a majority figures out it can vote itself plunder from the public treasury. And here we are.”
Just damn. He spouts the talk radio/FOXBOT dogma verbatim. Gotta love the “Europe” crap. Hello you silly man, we threw off the yoke of British tyranny in 1776 and are teh leaders EUROPE would do well to follow, not the other way around. Save your doom and gloom crap for when you get to phone into Neal and fake boobs Belinda quits picking her fake nose long enough to put you on air.
alex
December 7th, 2012
2:24 pm
Well we’re back to humpin’PBR,foxbox,goebels,tsa, and all the rest of proof for post grad education needs ( whomever i have disrespected, I apologize. Jay, you’ve got your usual friday afternoon miscreants…
He cuts my lawn……..
jewcowboy
December 7th, 2012
2:25 pm
RB from Gwinnett,
“I fully expect we’ll see producers outnumbered by consumers in the years”
They go by the term “Baby Boomers”.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 7th, 2012
2:25 pm
OMG, the nurse that took the prank call about the Duchess baby died….where were the drones, oh the conspiracy. Nurses died, the Queen lied!
DebbieDoRight -- The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism Is Capitalists...
December 7th, 2012
2:26 pm
Somehow, the fact that
ObamaREPUBLICANS intentionally did notact onmake the Bush Tax Cuts [permanent] during thefirst twoyears when the[y]Demscontrolled everthing seems to be conveniently forgotten by most. [T]He[y] could have pushed through this and anything [t]he[y] wanted, but chose to let it sit so it could be used politically later.Fixed those typos for ya. Please don’t thank me — i do this from love of my fellow man in my heart
Joe Hussein Mama
December 7th, 2012
2:27 pm
RB — “I fully expect we’ll see producers outnumbered by consumers in the years to come”
And never once does it penetrate your skull that you’d get EXACTLY that by offshoring and outsourcing production jobs without developing replacement industries and sectors to accommodate the ‘producers’ whose jobs left American shores.
Nope, to someone like you, it’s all the fault of the workers who won’t put down the remote and go find a job.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 7th, 2012
2:27 pm
The Queen had her killed. ;^) At least that’s what Sooth will tell us.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:28 pm
“the republicans only need to insure the true believers get to the voteing booth and the support of enough independents (people in the middle) to win … what has happened is that the republicans made if very very hard for the independents and more pragmatic people to vote for them.”
Pretty simple concept isn’t it? Yet they cant’ figure it out. Nope the few nutcases are “right” and the rest of us are “freeloading moochers who want free stuff.”
Hate talk, fear mongering, and insults only work on a few people, the rest of us want ideas. Republicans have no ideas, just the aforementioned hate, fear, and insults.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 7th, 2012
2:28 pm
Ohhhhh brave brave sir RB shows up again. I hope he’s got one of them $25 pizzas he claimed Papa John’s was going have to sell because of Obamacare.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 7th, 2012
2:28 pm
RB, “broke” is not having any income. The US still has income.
Crack a dictionary from time to time….
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:29 pm
Should be time to install a stove pretty soon now. Just waiting for the call……….
Oh wait, no I’m not, I’m waiting for my Obamafone to ring with a new announcement of free stuff stolen directly from RB’s pockets…………
Nunna Yobinnes
December 7th, 2012
2:30 pm
I just wish there was a moderate party that people wouldn’t dismiss because of thinking it would not stand a chance against the Big 2.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 7th, 2012
2:31 pm
I thought “broke” meant liabilities in excess of assets.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:31 pm
“Ohhhhh brave brave sir RB shows up again. I hope he’s got one of them $25 pizzas he claimed Papa John’s was going have to sell because of Obamacare.”
I always thought those pizza’s were crappy with low quality ingredients sparingly used. Once I found out he was a Koch Brother 1%’er who was threatening to hose his employees is Obama won again I knew WHY he made substandard crap.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 7th, 2012
2:32 pm
“Do you believe in Jesus?” Yep. He cuts my yard and does a fantastic job.
Hey, no fair. He hasn’t finished painting the shutters at my house.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 7th, 2012
2:32 pm
Fred — “Oh wait, no I’m not, I’m waiting for my Obamafone to ring with a new announcement of free stuff stolen directly from RB’s pockets…………”
Maybe RB will pull out a pencil first and write us a SPECIAL holiday message on some of those things from his pockets.
getalife
December 7th, 2012
2:33 pm
Dow is up, unemployment is down, we focus on the middle class good paying jobs and return to peace and prosperity.
Life is good.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:34 pm
I just wish there was a moderate party that people wouldn’t dismiss because of thinking it would not stand a chance against the Big 2.
If you could just convince HALF of the idiots who say, “I’d vote for a third party but it’s throwing my vote away” to VOTE FOR that third party, your dream would be a reality. The Libertarian party was gaining momentum until Harry Brown died and Neal Boortz sold them down the river for the Judas gold he got from the Republicans.
STUPID LIBERAL
December 7th, 2012
2:35 pm
They only give you 250 minutes a month on that Obama phone. That is hardly enough, I need unlimited.
Fred ™
December 7th, 2012
2:36 pm
Finn de Siècle (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
December 7th, 2012
2:32 pm
“Do you believe in Jesus?” Yep. He cuts my yard and does a fantastic job.
Hey, no fair. He hasn’t finished painting the shutters at my house.
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Bah. Five post penalty for trying to hijack the blog joke. That or a 45 second time out. JCB got the laughs, you get the foul.
Doggone/GA
December 7th, 2012
2:36 pm
Talk about not taking losing well!
“Survey: 42% of Ga. Republicans would secede”
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/12/07/ppp-survey-42-of-ga-republicans-would-secede-nathan-deal-job-approval-at-37/
Joe Hussein Mama
December 7th, 2012
2:37 pm
Fred — ” The Libertarian party was gaining momentum until Harry Brown died and Neal Boortz sold them down the river for the Judas gold he got from the Republicans.”
Any news on who’s going to replace Boortz in the mornings? Erick Erickson maybe? Or is Herman Cain going to get his old WSB-AM joint back?