Economic trends bode poorly for the working man

I had no idea the grassroots had so much green.

Maybe if I ever have the time/inclination I’ll reach back into the archives and find instances of where I was chastised for calling referring to the Teaper overlord organizations as “astroturfers.”

(and now, off to RTFA.)

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Is the trend here attributable to specific policy? Tax cuts do not seem related to the trend. Was there deregulation or other legislation that can be tied to this trend?

Going to do some looking…

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What ever happened to profit sharing?

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**claim “they are directly connected”,….

I left a chunk out of that sentence.

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The late 70’s ? How we can move that to 1980 and blame Reagan ? Dems had a lock on congress for years as this break was occurring, along with the white house. Could it be that the wealthy controlled them just as repubs are blamed for being controlled by the rich now ? How about this concept, stability leads to stagnation, “bringing back” blue collar jobs instead of letting those jobs go elsewhere would not work. We need to advance by coming up with new technology instead of holding on to jobs that are done cheaper elsewhere.

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maybe even dumarse repubs will understand this trend; dick armey about as successful as bob nardelli.

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Ok, I’m actually RingTFA Jay’s linked. I got to the point where I realize they’re citing Charles Murray.

Which is kind of like learning that the New England Journal of Medicine is citing Josef Mengele.

But I’ll try to get past that…

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Georgia on my mind is correct and we must bring back those jobs we sent away years ago. Commom sense! Those who won’t work need to be cut off the government’s “taker” program also.
There are a lot of tough things that will have to be done if we survive. Got to be done!!!

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Well, I see Bookman’s using my Those Peoplle line without askin’. I’m suin’!

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Well, I see Bookman’s using my Those Peoplle line without askin’. I’m suin’!

If you succeed, you might could only be 978,000 dollars away from being a millionaire.

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‘I think that if you’re looking to government as the cause of the “Big Break,” you’re looking in the wrong place. ‘

Perhaps, but I am interested to see if the same trend lines occur in Sweden, Germany, Singapore, etc.

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The plutocracy continues to take shots after the whistle’s been blown, of course. That doesn’t help matters much, but it’s to be expected, like ants at an outdoor barbeque.

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Outsource upper management’s jobs and bring back the hundreds of thousands of worker’s jobs sent overseas.

It’s a win-win.

bob, read about the Powell Memorandum and the Chamber of Commerce, Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, the Cato Institute, Citizens for a Sound Economy and other powerful organizations and the Reagan Administration’s “hands-off business philosophy”.

THAT is when the union-busters and the Corporations Uber Alles gang really began decimating the middle class in this country.

Look at the friggin’ chart.

Or don’t…

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Here’s an interesting read…

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economywatch/employers-may-be-aggravating-skills-gap-1C7450821

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You know what else doesn’t help? Ostensibly “liberal” figureheads like Jon Stewart giving aid and comfort to the hateful, nasty, (and possibly senile, based on his performance) Alan Simpson, who explained on Jon’s show that the only way we can get this country back on its feet again is to stick it to the AARP crowd.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/06/alan_simpson_spins_jon_stewart/

Stewart’s very first question is a mess. After a brief and mostly true account of the disaster that was the Simpson-Bowles committee, Stewart reveals that he thinks Simpson’s sudden post-election omnipresence is the result of an organic growth of support for his plan and widespread reverence for his wisdom. It’s actually just the most visible arm of a massive lobbying and P.R. campaign spearheaded and funded by Wall Street CEOs and crazy old Peterson. Stewart seems to think the people are running to Alan Simpson because his plan will help us avert the supposed “fiscal cliff.”

(Sam Seder also did a great takedown, but it’s not posted online as a separate video, yet…)

Keeping money concentrated among the wealthiest is not going to help the working man’s job prospects; it can only harm it.

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Vocational education has been my mantra for years. Many kids drop out of public school or are simply not engaged in the learning program provided. For a number of reasons, they don’t want to go to college or don’t believe they will be able to afford college. Many see a depressing life of study for an ever shrinking pool of boring jobs. An alternative track of vocational education — in trades that society respects and values — will keep those students engaged and learning. Society would gain productive, educated citizens who are excited about life instead of citizens trying to figure out how to make do.

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-This is a transformation that could continue to play out for a long, long time, and if we don’t do something to reverse it or adjust to it, it will change the nature of American society.

Forward!

I guess they’ll just have to get a job with the government.

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I think this graph is a little deceiving. Sometimes productivity increases at a plant for reasons totally unrelated to the workload of the workers: for example – the company decides to invest in a multi-million dollar machine that vastly increases output, while the employees do the exact same amount of work – productivity increases.

The second thing is that average wage is just that – AVERAGE. Before 1975, jobs were mostly manufacturing. Now, that has mostly gone offshore (or a lot, anyway) and the remaining jobs are SERVICE. Service jobs do not require the level of skills that manufacturing does and thus pays lower.

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While most Americans have seen flat-lined wages for a LONG time…

From 1992 to 2007 the top 400 earners in the U.S. saw their income increase 392% and their average tax rate reduced by 37%.

The share of total income in America going to the top 1% of American households (also after federal taxes and income transfers) increased from 11.3% in 1979 to 20.9% in 2007.

And the ring-through-their-nose Republicans think this is a GOOD thing!

The time is now here to effectively kill off the trickle downers…

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Reckon it’s just a coincidence that all the textile jobs began going overseas and the Mexicans began coming here in waves about the same time our wages began to tank. I was working then, watched it happen, and was called a xenophobic liberal any time I said anything except for”Hail to Almighty Free Enterprise” like I was indoctrinated to do from birth. Anybody who tries to change things is labeled a communist in our country – as if that’s worse than being a laissez- faire capitalist.

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There needs to be a new expectation of America. The worker needs to be more independent of the employer. Your value should not be found in the opinion of a recruiter; we need to control our value. I found it interesting at Enron how the employees there were satisfied that company destroyed their career. Seems to me if you had something people needed the need would carry over to the next job. If you were a hooker and one ship sailed out of port would that destroy your career or would it be given a lull until another ship rolled into port? You have got to take responsibility for finding yourself in this world; don’t let something or someone control your future. The private sector will steal it and use it and abuse it if you let them.

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KUtGF @ 8.16, a reminder: We remain the richest, most powerful country ever on earth.

We have the resources to address this labor problem and other infrastructure problems, if only we have the courage to do so, and the resolve to ignore those pigs who are trying desperately to cling to what they perceive as their God-given share to have and hold forever and ever, amen.

(I know you almost certainly realize this, but there was something a tad fatalistic in your post, I felt needed addressin’.)

And it wouldn’t hurt if y’all read the entire article Jay’s linked, because basically that backs up what I’ve just posted here. In fact, have a look at the proposals reference in that article, as well, which I’ve linked here:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/next-economy/the-to-do-list-for-rebuilding-the-u-s-economy-20121203

I don’t wholeheartedly support all of them, but they are all worthy of consideration, and certainly not beyond our grasp.

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DECA was a joke in Ohio, and did not really build a skilled workforce. I am talking about a program that will keep students in school with vocational training in skilled labor, at the same time as scholastic education that meets their future needs. They may not be going to college, but they do still need history, civics, math, etc. Students need to understand what it will take to program an industrial machine, for example. It pays well, but the job is not free to any high school grad. We need them to stay engaged in learning. Today’s schools need to provide skilled workers if we are to return manufacturing to the USA.

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Taxpayer, I read about that…too funny…
Debt Ceiling Bluff Called By Harry Reid, Leaving Mitch McConnell To Filibuster Himself

WASHINGTON — A move to embarrass Democrats backfired on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell Thursday as the Kentucky Republican proposed a vote on raising the nation’s debt ceiling — then filibustered it when the Democrats tried to take him up on the offer.
On Thursday morning McConnell had made a motion for the vote on legislation that would let the president extend the country’s borrowing limit on his own. Congress would then have the option to disapprove such hikes, in a fashion similar to one that McConnell first suggested during last year’s standoff over the debt ceiling.
The minority leader apparently did not think Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) would take him up on his offer, which would have allowed McConnell to portray President Barack Obama’s desire for such authority as something even Democrats opposed.
Reid objected at first, but told McConnell he thought it might be a good idea. After Senate staff reviewed the proposal, Reid came back to the floor and proposed a straight up-or-down vote on the idea.
McConnell was forced to say no.

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Nice to see intelligent, civil conversation in here. I wonder how long this will last until the trolls arrive?

We keep learning about the rise of plutocracy. I wonder how long it will take for this to sink into the minds of the undereducated in the red states? Another generation?

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Stands, I agree we have the capability to address these issues, the problem remains the willpower to address reality and to change the stupidity of the starve government idiots and the rising power of the supernational corporations and the megarich who are not bound to borders.

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7.7% BABY

SEVEN POINT SEVEN PERCENT

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Across all metrics, U-1 through U-6, unemployment numbers are down to their lowest level since BEFORE Obama took office.

7.7% U-3, 14.4% “real unemployment,” which is nearly 3 points lower than its peak and over 2 points lower than January 2009.

146k new jobs

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If we insist on manufacturing here at a higher price, other countries that buy from cheaper manufacturing will enjoy a higher standard of living than we do.

Really, care to explain why a pair of Levi’s 501 jeans (US retail $30-$40) runs around 130Euro in Germany then? People will buy the best. When America produced the best goods, people bought American made products. As long as people have the WalMart mentality, cheap sh*t will prevail. I guess I must be a bit more refined in my tastes as I try to avoid buying cheap sh*t whenever I can. I’d rather buy ONE good product instead of buying the same cheap crap 4 or 5 times to cover the same lifecycle of the one good product.

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By the way, unemployment statistics and jobs numbers are trending GOOD. The unemployment report this morning is GOOD news, so I have just one question:

WHERE’S EJ MOOSA???

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Nothing Republicans have done has helped the working man.

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as the legislation forces many employers to make full time employees become part time employees.

Yep! That’s what it says all right. I think it even has an “under penalty of death” clause in there somewhere.

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Oh and before we go too far…take a moment to remember that it is Pearl Harbor day.

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Sometime back when I was working my way through life, my daytime job didn’t provide enough money to pay all the bills. There were no providers that would pay my utility bills, help with my rent nor help buy groceries. I did what I thought I had to do: I got a part-time night job and also a paper route. For some crazy notion I had at the time, I didn’t think my employers owed me anything that had to do with their profits. It didn’t occur to me that I could have blamed someone else for my travails and thereby escape my responsibilities. Also, during that hard scrabble period, I got an education that was not paid for by other taxpayers. Bookman is right: trends don’t bode well for those that spend more time complaining than they do working.

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JamVet

December 7th, 2012
8:35 am

Other than insulting comments, can you explain how this post is stupid?

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December 7, 2012, a day which shall live in infamy, the day the Republicans discovered that they were wrong about the economy. Again.

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Jay, as for Dick Armey golden parachute, it seems very odd for a “grassroots” organization and a highly inappropriate use of funds “contributed” by the “grassroots”. Why certainly there is no one suggesting that perhaps there were some big monied powers behind it and perhaps another Murdoch envoy to “suggest” that Fox would give it all its support.

I think whenever someone from Fox speaks, the GOP speak or even our conned wingnuts post here, we either ought to here the Benny Hill music or the Monty Python wink wink nudge nudge say no more.

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Off topic but interesting…

Michael Tomasky at Newsweek injects reality back into the discussion:

So we saw Tuesday night the unveiling of the “new” Republican Party at the Jack Kemp Foundation dinner. The two young stars spoke, Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio. Politico gave it a big write up, noting how many times Ryan mentioned the word “poverty” and how many times Rubio said “middle class.” One can see already that the media is going to hype these two and their supposed new thinking relentlessly. Is there anything to the hype? Of course not, and the reason is simple. Neither they nor the people they’re talking to are ready to accept that they’ve been wrong about anything except messaging, and until they are, this is just gaseous rhetoric. [...]
Republicans aren’t anywhere near to exposing themselves to the kind of self-examination and intra-party debate the Democrats undertook after Reagan’s second win. Despite upholstering their speeches with ample liberal rhetoric, and in Rubio’s case those aforementioned quasi-proposals, Rubio and Ryan both stuck hard to current-day GOP gospel. Raising tax rates isn’t an option. Relying on government isn’t the answer, and all the rest. When I read the Ryan remarks I quoted above, as I first started reading those words, I thought to myself, “Ah, might I encounter here an actual nugget of self-criticism?” It came. But it was only about messaging. The substance of their positions, to them, is fine and dandy.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/06/michael-tomasky-on-the-ridiculousness-of-paul-ryan-and-marco-rubio.html

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“In effect, the economy is telling less-educated men: Get lost.”

Or, it’s telling them: Get more education. Also telling teenagers: Stick with your education.

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Jay’s 8:48

And Jim Cramer is once again proven to be a complete moron (he predicted Sandy would cremate the jobs report)

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Kids. Do too much drugs, and you too can be like Jim Cramer. Completely loco.

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By the way, where’s Scout? He said the unemployment rate would be above 8% yesterday.

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But what does Unskewed Job Figures report…. what about the conspiracy to manipulate the figure for the election?

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Excellent post. But of course I disagree strongly when you say:

“There is no mechanism by which government can be said to be driving that trend”

The fact that the behavior of the lines in the graph changes so radically in the late 1970s is no coincidence. By the late 1970s, the Bretton Woods framework had collapsed and world capitalism faced some really daunting challenges: soaring oil prices, revolutionary stirrings in post-colonial lands, and perhaps most important of all – and most underestimated of all – an astonishing rise in labor militancy here at home.

The response from capital — acting through the US government and the Federal Reserve — to this crisis was fierce. Labor had to be disciplined, which meant above all, allowing unemployment to return to (what the capitalists like to think of as) a more “natural” rate, not the Keynesian goal of full employment. The Volcker Shock – which, recall, happened under a Democratic president, not Republican, marked the beginning of this assault and by the time it was over, well into Reagan’s first term, it had proven devastatingly effective and successful. World markets were reassured that the US dollar would weather the inflationary storm and and would not continue to be jeopardized by runaway inflation fueled largely by excessively low unemployment. The reserve currency would remain strong, so world markets could breathe easy.

Finally, when Reagan undertook his PATCO attacks, labor rolled over. The counter-revolution had succeeded, and the world had a new model for the future of heavy deficit spending based on defense, and deeply hostile to the traditional Keynesian models, which was also being played out in places like the UK under Thatcher and in Pinochet’s Chile.

Capitalism had been restored to apparent health, though the labor-capital truce that had made possible the broad rising prosperity of the post-war era was dead. So it’s no coincidence that “that relationship ended somewhere in the late 1970s, at what you might call “the Big Break” in the U.S. economy”.

I don’t agree with that, of course.

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I’m all for good economic news but I don’t look at it blindly. I’m trying to figure out why there’s a trend of past monthly jobs numbers being revised downward. Maybe the 7.7 figure is at least partially due to the continued drop in labor participation? The labor partication rate is the one I’d like to see rise as a better indicator of the jobs picture.

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“I’m trying to figure out why there’s a trend of past monthly jobs numbers being revised downward.”

Not true at all, in fact last month the revision was a couple months being revised up.

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Ask those people what they want their own kids to be. You can bet you won’t hear plumber, electrician, auto mechanic, etc.
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Have you checked out the curriculum for the technical schools? Have you checked out their certification programs? You will be surprised.

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“The No Good, Very Bad Outlook for the Working-Class American Man,”
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Bombing/invading/Killing Working-Class Men in Somalia,Yemen,Afghan,Pakistan,Syria,Libya,Iraq, and all them dope smoking guys in South America and North America…………………………..don’t come cheap.
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The Government is actually HELPING you.
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Don’t be an ingate.
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lol

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Bunch of “burger flipping” jobs too….

“In terms of quality of jobs, the biggest gain was in retail jobs as expected in part of the Thanksgiving rush, which added +53K jobs, Professional and Business services rose by 43K, of which Administrative and Waste Services was +23K, and Hospitality and Leisure +23K: all low paying jobs. Construction jobs lost: 20K.”

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Jay – The chart also parallels the “Net Jobs Created” for the same period. The Net Jobs Created flattened in the late 1970’s and continued flat at about 20% through the 1990’s before starting to drop off the table early in the decade of the 2000’s. The numbers are showing some indications of rising in the past 12 months.

Apparently government policies have had no effect on the numbers.

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oops — “Kids. Do too much drugs, and you too can be like Jim Cramer. Completely loco.”

You’re thinking of his onetime TV partner, Larry Kudlow. Kudlow was the darling of the 80s Greed-Is-Good crowd at the same time he had a RAGING coke habit.

Cramer’s just a clown; Kudlow was the druggie.

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Tis a sad commentary on our lot when many like Jay here are doing cartwheels over a 7.7% unemployment rate.

Welcome to O’bozo-world.

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A few other things happened in the late 60s through the 70s as well which may be linked to a changing of corporate and private mindsets. You know, things that made a generation of Americans distrust their Government a little more, and realize that the world outside of our shores can have great impact on the world inside of our shores. Then a culture of fear sets in, which leads to dependency, and then control. I’m referring to corporate dominance (not Government) over the worker, and the worker feeling as if that’s the way it goes.
We’ve gotten too far away from the American entrepreneurial nature that was preached and practiced (and led to amazing economic and cultural rebounds and leaps forward). The only people out there trying to get you to start your own anything are generally perceived as being part of some multi level marketing joke, or pyramid and ponzi scheme. Schools are no longer set up to teach and inspire, just to pass exams or at the higher levels to make money.
When we get back to working for the good of the Country (and world) in tandem with the good of our own pockets, that trend will do an about face. The CEO’s know that. They want to own your talent not nourish it.

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on topic

A Jobless Dilemma: What’s Wrong With Fort Wayne?
Lots of Jobs Are Available, But 14,600 People There Are Still Looking for Work

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323316804578161141400688884.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

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“Welcome to O’bozo-world.”

“This-sucker-could-go-down-world was much, much better.

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Having come from a very blue collar family, I can tell you that education was valued. What I am trying to point out is that keeping kids in school is the big issue. In Georgia, our dropout rate is horrible. Why is that? Why can we not keep those students engaged in learning. In some part it is because they have no hope that another year or too, or four in college, will get them a solid life. Many dropouts are bright intelligent children. If even one in ten mechanic that graduates, one or more will continue learning because of the extra knowledge transfer. It is not elitism, it is societal need. It is well and good to have a college educated populace. But as a society, we need to regain our respect for people who are not teachers, lawyers, doctors. We need to define a different measure of success for ourselves and for our children. What good the degree, if I cannot find a job, or hate the job I can find?

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“Tis a sad commentary on our lot when many like Jay here are doing cartwheels over a 7.7% unemployment rate.”

Well they do want us to be more like Europe……….

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Interesting read here:

The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate

“A liberal article of faith that confiscatory taxes fed the postwar boom turns out to be an Edsel of an economic idea.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324705104578151601554982808.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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This whole issue has been caused by companies logistically being able to produce goods in economically depressed nations with good quality and ship it here for less than it can be produced here. Automation helps as well. Just think how many gas station attendants are no longer working (outside of NJ) because everybody pumps their own gas now. The world is changing.

The question I have for Jay is….if there are 10+MM illegals here doing jobs Americans won’t do, what jobs are the Americans who won’t do those jobs doing? The answer is, for the most part, they aren’t. They don’t have the work ethic to do any job they’re qualified for and they’re getting left behind because of it. And their lack of productivity is having a significant impact on that chart to the tune of 10+MM workers. And I would guess many of the illegals who are doing those jobs aren’t showing up in those statistics.

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“Odd. I have never encountered this alleged “article of faith.” ”

That’s odd because I see liberal posters here bringing it up all the time (or at least on Kyle’s blog).

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Around 1980 or so 90 per cent of our clothes were made in New York city. Now 90 per cent are made in Asia, mostly China.
The idea was to embrace globalizaion and let the products that could be made with unskilled labor be made overseas, and we would used our more skilled labor force to make products that called for such skilled labor. Computers, etc.
Result has not been so good.

Germany has been successful at that idea.

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“But here’s the most frightening thing about the chart above:”
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In all seriousness,
if any real working men or women are reading this……………….take heart.
Leave the fear to the progs of the world.
The Liberty movement has a bright future.
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10,000 Bookman-type talking heads may apologize or excuse a tyrannical government…24/7,
But more and more people are getting the clue.(decreasing voter trends).
The great ponzi/hoax is coming to an end.
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It’ll be tough for awhile but you real producers are not alone.
Once again……shrugg what ya can………and Buck up.
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Nopalitano 2016!
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Forward Freedom.

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“Economic trends bode poorly for the working man”

Thank you Democrats and Obama !

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Jay

December 7th, 2012
9:20 am

““A liberal article of faith that confiscatory taxes fed the postwar boom turns out to be an Edsel of an economic idea.”

Odd. I have never encountered this alleged “article of faith.”
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As bad as the Edsel might have been…………….it was still better than the “Volt”..the world’s first EXTERNAL Combustion automoblie…….compliments of FED.Gov.
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lol

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S. Billings — “Interesting read here:”

I found this part particularly interesting:

The changes came about not so much by movements in rates but by the addition of tax credits for the poor and the elimination of exemptions for the wealthy. In 1958, even the lowest-tier filers, which included everyone making up to $5,000 annually, were subjected to an effective 20% rate. Today, almost half of all tax filers have no income-tax liability whatsoever, and many “taxpayers” actually get a net refund from the government. Those nostalgic for 1950s-era “tax fairness” should bear this in mind.

Yes, let’s bear that in mind. Let’s also bear in mind that refundable tax credits were yet another REPUBLICAN idea, having come from and been championed by Congressional Republicans. If Mr. Schiff can’t bring himself to admit that he’s either ignorant of their provenance or deliberately covering it up when he seeks to beat liberals over the head with them, then there’s not much reason to bother with the rest of his opinion piece.

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I missed your 7:49 elaboration, Jay. I would have been sharper in my disagreement with you had I seen it.

“Macro-economic trends such as off-shoring, robotics, computers, etc. are much more powerful than government”

You’re completely leaving out of this the key role of capital investment in such developments and the indispensable role of government in that. Technological advances such as robotics and computers do not simply materialize in the private sector as conservatives like to fantasize. Never have, never will. The worlds of iPads and gadgets we enjoy today was no more the spontaneous products of heroic Promethean entrepreneurs than the railroads were century before last.

But just on a simple logical level, you’re just wrong. Take this for example:

“But if it’s larger macro-economic trends at work, we have to go stumbling in the dark looking for a solution or at least a means of ameliorating the impact.”

So assume then that we do “go stumbling in the dark looking for a solution” and actually come up with something, what then? What do we call that collective action that results? We call it policy, and that policy will then have its own effects which will later be judged as adverse or positive, which will then call forth other responses. The point being that those responses of policy are always part of the picture that we’re looking at. There is never just simply some raw, spontaneous movement of the economy out there that is outside any control. It’s always already a product of collective (policy) action.

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Odd. I have never encountered this alleged “article of faith.”

You haven’t spent enough time on FOX or talk radio to be brainwashed yet.

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I think the point made by the “liberals” regarding higher tax rates was that the higher rates, contrary to the Republican articles of faith, do not result in economic decline and loss of growth, etc. By the way, global warming is also real, cons.

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Bro,
When unions first came in, they were probably a good thing. Now, the demands they make DO IN FACT often make business way less profitable. Unions, like so many entities, have swung too far the other way. The demands now often exceed common sense, when before in fact they had merit. They have gotten now (in many instances) where sorry workers cannot be fired. They want all the rights and priveleges but less work! Many companies will, in fact, continue to go overseas instead of messing with the cluster the unions have become. Some things that started out as a good thing, like EPA, unions, etc. have morphed into something totally different. Perhaps many should be disbanded and re-started from the ground up (with some just staying permantly disbanded.)

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Brosephus — “JHM @ 9:29 When have you recently seen any Republican own up to the consequences or results of their policies?”

Come now, my friend. You know it’s just another example of Republicans throwing a tantrum, spilling the contents of their collective sippy cup and leaving the mess for Democrats to clean up.

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Look what just happened in Michigan yesterday. Republicans pushed through, without debate, anti-union legislation that turned Michigan into a “Right to Work” state overnight. No discussion. No warning. It was a surprise, sneak attack on the workers of Michigan by the Republicans in their state house. When workers got word about it, they tried to storm the legislature and were met with police armed with pepper spray. This, my friends, is what Fascism looks like. I know it’s extreme to say that, but what the Republicans just did to the workers in Michigan, the heart of the nation’s auto industry, is extreme. I certainly think those state reps who just put the boot of force on the throat of workers will pay a price when their term is up. Working people everywhere need to realize the extremes that Republicans will go to hold down your wages and destroy safety nets that may keep you from free-falling in this economy. It really is class war, and we know who the foot soldiers for the rich and corporations are. Look at what party got the lion’s share of their money this last election. It’s past the time for American workers to wake up and give all Republicans, everywhere,state houses and national houses, the boot when elections rolls around again.

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Jay: the Republican Party has managed to convince white working-class males that the economic challenges outlined by Rauch can be traced to excess government and, to be blunt, “those people.” It’s an explanation that might feel right and that resonates emotionally. By providing an alternative explanation to that illustrated in today’s chart, it also happens to suit the purposes of those who fund the campaigns and pay the bills for the GOP and its associated organizations

For years I’d heard people repeating the mantra, “American Workers Are Lazy”; and I couldn’t understand why:

*a) As an American worker people were calling themselves lazy.
*b) Americans work more hours, have less vacation time/sick time than their European counterparts; are more prodcutive and efficient yet are supposedly MORE lazy.
*c) Americans, more than any other group, take great pride in their work and accomplishments And….
*d) People were actually BELIEVING that bull.

You’ve just explained why. Thanks.

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It’s called capitalism ………… which made the biggest middle class the world has ever seen.

Now the liberals/Democrats are trying to slowly but surely dismantle it.

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Actually, no once again. It is conservatives that want us to be more like Europe

Wrong again Jay. Conservatives want us to be more like China where forced child labor supplements the slave labor they have. Both which compliment the practice of bribing local officials rather than paying taxes, grand scale pollution, crappy standards of living, severe shortages of consumer goods for the peasants, and a virtually nonexistent middle class.

They used to point at Ireland with their close to 0% corporate tax rate until THEY crashed and burned………

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Look where the concentration of unemployment is. Seems to me with internet and home offices the work force should be more on a par place to place. Look at Georgia and see why we are so behind the other states. Instead of telling the nation how to run their business we need to shut up and listen to what they are doing we are not.

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540,000, the number of people not accounted in the 7.7% rate. As, much as I want this economy to improve, I suspected something was missing from the 7.7 number when jobs are later revised downward and labor participation drops. Let’s hope next months numbers are better.

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a long time ago, in a university not so far away –

Professor: “With re-engineering & automation, we can eliminate or
greatly reduce manual labor.”
Naive student (me): “What will all those people do for a living?”
Professor: They will ‘freed up’ to do ‘other things.”
Naive student: “Other things like what? Starve? Go on unemployment?”
Professor: Maybe you need to change your major to Social Work! Any
way, by then, there will be another system in place than money.

touche, Dr Linn.
Your move, plutocracy.
and I wouldn’t wait for our next move, jus sayin’

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“It’s called capitalism”

What do you call your over 8% unemployment lie you told yesterday?

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Right On Lynnie Gal!

This, my friends, is what Fascism looks like. I know it’s extreme to say that, but what the Republicans just did to the workers in Michigan, the heart of the nation’s auto industry, is extreme. I certainly think those state reps who just put the boot of force on the throat of workers will pay a price when their term is up. Working people everywhere need to realize the extremes that Republicans will go to hold down your wages and destroy safety nets that may keep you from free-falling in this economy. It really is class war, and we know who the foot soldiers for the rich and corporations are

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Very well said, Lynnie Gal 9:35. There is no question but that the increasingly brazen tactics we’re seeing on the part of capital (and keep in mind where Snyder came from – he is a DIRECT product of the new financial class of capitalism who is now seeking to consolidate the hold of the financial class on the economic system as a whole) augur a very dark future. These people are less and less constrained to even fake a sense of a need to bow to democratic processes and the will of the people. There was once a time when these tactics were reserved for the “global South”, like Pinochet in Chile’s, but were abstained from here in capital’s backyard. But no more.

But don’t be fooled into thinking that the Democratic party is not also largely on board with this. They just favor a slightly different mix of tactics.

Make no mistake, neoliberalism — a violent, extreme doctrine, as you can see from Snyder’s actions in Michigan — has infected the ENTIRE elite of our corporate AND government structure, and that means of BOTH parties in the US.

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And sequestration was a Republican idea….. :rolleyes:

Are you claiming that they didn’t vote for it??? Wasn’t the idea of budget cuts or spending cuts the idea that the GOP used to bash America over the head as though it was a defenseless baby seal? I recall the election of 2010 being all about jobs, jobs, and jobs. However, when Congress started in 2011, we heard nothing but spending cuts, entitlement cuts, deficits, debt, and everything else austere. Sequestration, own it GOP as you’re the one that brought it on.

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They don’t. It’s called job security. They pass something that has unintended consequences and then tell their constituents they need to be re-elected to fixed it….

And like the good sheeple, y’all keep re-electing the same jackasses over and over and expecting different results. Kinda makes one think of that whole concept of insanity, huh?

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A little info on the European “austerity”

How savage has European austerity (spending cuts) been?

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2012/05/how-savage-has-european-austerity-been.html

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They had schools back in the fifties ??

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“Are you claiming that they didn’t vote for it???”

Are you claiming it wasn’t Obama’s idea and that a whole lot of Dems didn’t vote for it?

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For the majority of liberals who decided to enroll in liberal arts rather than business administration I’ll give you all a cliff note version of how profits are realized.

When a product is made by a company and sold for $10 but has a cost of $5 to make it, the profit to the company is $5. Purchased materials to make the product and overhead expenses define the cost. Overhead expenses include employee wages, health care, pensions, and numerous other cost inclusions.

When labor unions (legalized extortioners) are involved in companies the inevitable cost of goods being produced will go up and profits will go down. Union contract demands for higher wages and ancillary benefits that go unmet result in strikes that cripple or close companies. That company which used to sell a product for $10 must realize that their profit of $5 will now be $2. Since a $2 profit will not be sustainable to remain in business, the company must find a cheaper way to produce the product. China, Vietnam, Indonesia, and emerging countries in Latin America offer cheaper costs.

Made in America sounds real patriotic, but until Democrats and organized labor look inward at themselves and figure out that they are the ones who caused the flight of jobs to cheaper overseas producers, those lost jobs will not be coming back.

You made your bed, now sleep in.

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Stupid – Well, not ones that could predict the future very well.

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They need to ban abortion, birth rates are dropping and we need more tax payers to pay for our free healthcare.

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Donovan — “For the majority of liberals who decided to enroll in liberal arts rather than business administration I’ll give you all a cliff note version of how profits are realized.”

ST*U, Donny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_big_lebowski#Cast

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Are you claiming it wasn’t Obama’s idea and that a whole lot of Dems didn’t vote for it?

I never made that claim. From what I’ve heard, the idea came from the White House. What else would you expect from the “roll over” president? Republicans whined about spending cuts and sh*t, so Obama gave them the deal to get their spending cuts. You would think that y’all conservatives would be tap dancing like the son of Sammy Davis Jr since you get your government spending cuts that y’all have been whining about nonstop for more than 2 years.

So, did the Republicans vote for Sequestration or not? I know the Democrats did. Afraid to own up to problems brought on by Republicans? They did have a major part in this whole thing, especially considering their shift from job creation to austerity creation after the 2010 midterms…

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If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

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F. Sinkiewicz — “Oh, good. When are we going to stop paying Doofusses to buy that POS?”

How long did we pay doofuses to buy SUVs and Hummers?

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“Made in America sounds real patriotic, but until Democrats and organized labor look inward at themselves and figure out that they are the ones who caused the flight of jobs to cheaper overseas producers, those lost jobs will not be coming back.”

Right, because poor Walmart is suffering. They needed to increase their wealth.

Christy Walton…$28 billion
Jim Walton…$27 billion
Alice Walton…$26 billion
S Robson…$26 billion

Look inward liberals. The Waltons are suffering, you don’t need insurance.

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While there is still a good way to go in regards to getting folks back to work, I am glad the jobs report was pretty decent.

How much more whining and gnashing of teeth would be going on if it had been a bad report?

We are starting to get past hurt feelings and meltdowns over the election. Some seem to have been traumatized.

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Enjoyed reading all the comments this morning. Lots of interesting views and information.

Hope everyone has a good day.

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Jeb Bush in ‘16 or we all will be selling apples on the street corner.

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Excuse me ………. I apologize. It wasn’t 8% it was 8.3%

WASHINGTON, D.C. (12/6/12) — U.S. unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, was 7.8% for the month of November, up significantly from 7.0% for October. Gallup’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate is 8.3%, nearly a one-point increase over October’s rate.

Wow Scout!! You must have a super duper MAGIC TIME MACHINE!! Yesterday, you said the numbers had came out with 8% unemployment and today, just like that, you’re saying you were off by only a few percentage points!!

Can you go back to 1965 with the time machine and change the course of history? I don’t want The Los Angeles Dodgers to win.

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Working and Takng…

That is the real issue that will continue in this country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be silent. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles, right and wrong, throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time. The one is the common right of humanity, the other the devine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says “you toil and work and earn bread and I’ll eat it.”

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Wow, it must be computer day at the asylum. We have Donovan, Sinkie, Cosby, Stevenson Billings, RB AND an assortment of cowardly alts too embarrassed to use their regular screen name………

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Hi DDR. Haven’t seen you in a while. Have you been well?

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SfD — “How long are we going to go on paying doofuses to live in Alaska?

ZOMG STATE SOSHULIZUM

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“giveaways that reward companies for sending American jobs overseas”

Care of offer up what any of those giveaways are?

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“Wow, it must be computer day at the asylum. We have Donovan, Sinkie, Cosby, Stevenson Billings, RB AND an assortment of cowardly alts too embarrassed to use their regular screen name………”

RB has never once posted here under any other name, Fred. But thanks for thinking of me.

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S. Liberal @ 10:01 a.m. — If you really believe that, I have a bunch of bridges, (that go from California to Hawaii), that I’d like to sell you. Cheap.

Cosby: High School Grds are loosing Ground…the other side of that coin is they are less educated than in the past and getting dumber by the day thanks to Government Schools

NOT Government Schools, they are NOT the problem. The problem is Republicans Governors who have systematically and delibeately weakened the school system by defunding it. In the past, the state, who gets THEIR funds from the government, would supply over 60% of their school districts budgets. Now these same states are hoaridng/keeping the funds and putting the onus more and more on individual school districts.

The districts in turn have to raise taxes on their constituents in order to pay for their children’s education. Hence things like school nurses, physical education, music, art, etc. are being stripped from schools since these districts don’t have the funds to maintain them anymore.

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I’m late to the party as usual.

“Bring the manufacturing jobs back to the U.S.”

I’m so tired of hearing this drivel. Our economy (and future) is based on the service sector..not manufacturing. Manufacturing is gone…it’s gone to every crap hole on Earth that doesn’t give a rat’s @ss about pollution and have billions of uneducated workers clamoring to work for 12 cents an hour, 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. I for one, am happy to leave those types of jobs to others, and sit in an air-conditioned high rise office not breathing toxic fumes and destroying my body so that by the time I’m fifty I look seventy.

All during this past election, both candidates went on and on about manufacturing, but said not one damned word about what drives our economy…the service sector.

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RB from Gwinnett

December 7th, 2012
10:18 am

“Wow, it must be computer day at the asylum. We have Donovan, Sinkie, Cosby, Stevenson Billings, RB AND an assortment of cowardly alts too embarrassed to use their regular screen name………”

RB has never once posted here under any other name, Fred. But thanks for thinking of me.
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Brush up on those reading comprehension skills bro, I mentioned names of the brave who are proud of what they say (you were included in that group) and then the cowards who use alts.

Look at that, I gived you a compliment.

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Where is USMC?

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Poor donovan, doesn’t even realize that what he is advocating is american communism. Yes, let’s get rid of the unions, all 11% percent of them cause that’s the problem, decent wages, health care, take it all so we can compete with $2 an hour china jobs…

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A partial solution proposal: Impose an excise tax which cannot be offset by tax credits on executive compensation above (amount to be determined) dollar for dollar. Maybe that will help to curb executive pay.

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Fred,

I have never called anyone a name on this blog or any others. But I have been called a butt monkey, or was it a butt clown, I can not remember.

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This is hilarious. Before it was “what’s the “real” unemployment rate?” and then it was “What’s the job participation rate?” Then it was “How many people are leaving the workforce?” Now it’s “What’;s the NON seasonally adjusted rate?”

This follows a similar progression to:

Global warming doesn’t exist. Well it does exist but humans aren’t causing it. W ell humans have some effect but not enough of one to cause it. Well ok NASA says humans are mostly the cause but some scientists still don’t agree…

OR

Romney is going to win in a landslide because no one promises to vote for Obama. Well some people promise to vote for Obama but the public supports our ideas! Just look at 2010! Well maybe the public doesn’t support all our ideas but the polls are skewed so Romney is still going to win in a landslide!

Delusional. The lot of you. To your very dying breath.

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Imagine if all the PCs and iPhones were around 71 years ago. Just think of the tweets, instagrams, etc. that would be coming out of Pearl Harbor this morning.

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So your handle, Stupid Liberal, isn’t an overt insult to everyone who doesn’t walk lockstep with the far right wing fanatical talk radio listening FOXBOTS? Really? REALLY

Hmmmmm…………. I guess you fail to see the irony?

Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance)

Or maybe we could even say hypocrisy?

hypocrisy: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion

Just saying…………..

Just out of curiosity, are by chance a Southern Baptist?

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I am an Athiest, God does not exist, Stephen Hawkins said so.

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“You did not build that company, the Union and the Government did.”

Funny, the only times I’ve seen any government people around my business they’ve had their hand out wanting me to pay some fee or fill out some form and that ain’t helpful!!

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Fred,

My Handle, (stupid liberal) is just that, MY HANDLE

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Bada – Heard that “PearlHabor” talking point this morning on one of those talk radio shows. I’m trying to figure out which one was it……………….

…………………..Can you remember?

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suspect that a lot of this decline is related to the decline in Unionization. Somehow Unions seem to be bad in many peoples eyes. I am not sure what drives this attitude, although I am sure it is a combination of many things. I am sure though that the anti union propaganda machine has a big part.

Well, then it looks like Goebell was right:

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

And what was the lie?

Unions Are Bad.

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Adam: Delusional. The lot of you. To your very dying breath.

Well, at least they, with their rants, conspiracy theories, and ODS; makes the day go by a bit faster!

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Fred – Recipes?!?!?

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Thanks DogGone.

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RB from Gwinnett: “You liberals can’t seem to grasp the idea that a company and it’s management has to do what is required of them to make and sell a product in a competitive marketplace”

Pefectly true, but you forgot to add “under the current conditions of global capitalism”.

Otherwise, your statement makes a claim to universal validity that cannot be supported.

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I guess no one thought too much of my idea. Oh well, Fred says I am stupid.

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Reagan 10:06

If it is Hillary v Jeb, we will have two good choices. I would likely vote for Jeb. Hillary would likely win. The democrats have a supermajority vote almost for the WH.

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No Nunna,

I am Stupid, You are Nunna

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rb

The problem with your example is when the company is making the product at a cost of $5 and selling it for $25 successfully. Then, hoarding all the cash for the top of the pyramid while constantly trying to shaft the actual workers, is why that union is needed to negotiate a fair dividend of the profits. But, we don’t need any unions anymore because in your world, the top executives are the entitled ones…

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Perhaps I should change my handle to nunna brains.

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S. Liberal — “I am an Athiest, God does not exist, Stephen Hawkins said so.”

Stephen Hawking or Richard Dawkins?

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In most cases an increase in productivity is a direct result of technology and innovation! So higher productivity may actually have nothing to do with actual work performed by an individual! And, for the USA to remain competitive in World markets, considering the union scourge and government labor law over reach, THAT IS A VERY GOOD THING!

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Best get used to it…only gonna get worse the next 4 years thanks to barry the magnificent. Just wait until obozocare hits…

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Stephen Hawkings.. See, I am stupid. lol

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I would blame “automation” followed by “off-shoring”

It’s even difficult for a $200k robot to compete with unlimited super cheap labor

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RB — “Funny, the only times I’ve seen any government people around my business they’ve had their hand out wanting me to pay some fee or fill out some form and that ain’t helpful!!”

I don’t know what you do for a living, RB, but my old man’s experience is quite diffferent from yours.
My pop’s a professor of Microbiology and Food Science at a major Suthun university, and he frequently gets called on by the State Extension Service, the Cattlemen’s Association (in the state where he lives and works) and even by the USDA.

When Farmer Bob’s having a problem with a crop and he calls the Extension Service — and gets a call or e-mail from my dad or another Extension guy telling him how to solve it, Farmer Bob’s happy.

When the Cattlemen’s Association was dealing with the fallout over Mad Cow Disease several years ago, they called on my dad to explain the ins and outs of the sickness and how to safely process animals to reduce the already low risk of transmission. And you know what? They were *thrilled* to have the help.

And when a food processing plant’s QA team turns up adulterants or bacteria in a production line and they call the USDA to help them figure out where they’re messing up, they’re not upset when the gubmint comes calling. They’re *happy* because it means the problem will be found and remedied, and the production line will be swiftly recertified and placed back in operation.

Again, I don’t know what you do for a living, but some people DO get useful and timely help from the gubmint — and are glad to get it.

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G. Heathen — “In our biz, we say: “Fast, cheap, good. Pick two.”

Axiomatic in the IT world.

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G. Heathen — “In our biz, we say: “Fast, cheap, good. Pick two.”

Axiomatic in the IT world.

a bible verse for the product design universe …

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It’s something that any dolt could learn, if the dolt in question cared to do so.

And in the words of someone we all know . . .

B
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EC @ 11.09, I don’t know of any trade/profession where that *doesn’t* apply, actually, try as so many might to slough it off.

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Dolts can learn too ??

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“From my own experience, the company I work for has been hiring and expanding since I’ve been here. All that dispite efforts from enviromental (hardly conservative or republican) groups to harm my industry”

Another way of saying: my industry can absorb and comply with environtmental regulations and still grow and remain profitable

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OT: New Star Trek teaser reel is out, and it looks pretty badazz. May 2013 release.

Extra footage to be shown before IMAX screenings of The Hobbit. I might have to go see that, just for the teaser.

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Fred: maybe a tenderloin on the egg……….

BEEF TENDERLOIN! (Wow!) Beef tenderloin is exorbitantly EXPENSIVE!! If you make the beef, could you please invite me (just me I’ll pretend something and leave the others at home), over for dinner? I’ll bring the wine!

@alex — Alex I read your “full comment”; and replied accordingly. If you don’t like my comments, that’s your problem. Not. Mine.

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Joe Mama 11:18.

You are the most articulate mom’s basement dweller I know.

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Also too, DDR, it is not *that* hideously expensive if you buy (as we typically do) an entire loin and cut it yourself. Freezes well, if you take care to wrap each slice and seal it properly.

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Corbin, as you know, I have called the Democrats, Republican-lites for a LONG time.

Both are dominated by pro-war and pro-plutocracy sellouts and frauds.

That the goofballs in the right wing think that the Democratic party is controlled by hard core liberals merely proves how blind and irrational they choose to be.

From your link:

The political bankruptcy of the Democratic Party, its historic achievements consigned to the distant past, is not a recent development. The party’s role in the making of the current crisis speaks for itself. For forty years—that is, under both Republican and Democratic presidents and Congresses—the nation’s wealth has been put into fewer and fewer hands (the richest 1 percent now possess more wealth than the less prosperous 90 percent), while ever more people have been relegated to poverty or rendered unable to maintain their hard-earned place in the middle class.

Those degraded Democratic policies included reducing regulations on financial institutions; lowering taxes on corporations, investors and the wealthy; enacting “free trade” measures at the cost of American jobs; and fetishizing “fiscal responsibility” and balanced federal budgets (as though the US government is merely a big family household) to the detriment of social justice and investment in the nation’s infrastructure.

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Want more on the Harry Reid BEAT DOWN of Mitch McConnell yesterday?

http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/dems-look-wonder-mitch-mcconnell-filibusters-his-own-proposal

some embarrassing stuff for the Kentuckian. Eat turtle, turtle face.

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Basic human fairness has yeilded to greed and selfishness. People are not that different as paydays are different.

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SfD — “Also too, DDR, it is not *that* hideously expensive if you buy (as we typically do) an entire loin and cut it yourself. Freezes well, if you take care to wrap each slice and seal it properly.”

This, this, a thousand times this.

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“The company that’s paying the $14/hr has disgruntled employees; who are overworked and tired and barely making enough to put food on the table. (that’s the 14)

They have a quota of 5000 widgets per day. (that’s the 5K)

They are tired and overworked and some are just saboteurs/malcontents and somehow those 5K widgets are defective and not up to standards. (that’s the 0)”

Yea, because we all know disgruntled workers only come from non-union shops :rolleyes:.

What was the saying from a few decades ago? “Never buy a car built on a Monday or Friday” (or in the UK) .

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@ Debbie , with all do respect I included “quality”. You, in a rant choose to ignore it, plain and simple. You want to be read and heard, you should do the same with other contributions. Your contributions are therefore not respected by me…

2 Jamvet, perhaps it’s time to start a new party….another option… good luck!

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Jefferson: Basic human fairness has yeilded to greed and selfishness. People are not that different as paydays are different.

Heard on the news the other day about this Vet who started, for whatever reason, paying people’s Electricity bills inside of a Ga. Power office. It made me feel good. Sometimes I think I get so jaded and cynical about the world; but then I hear stuff like that and it makes me feel better. There ARE people out there who actually CARe about someone other than themselves — and as Americans we have such huge hearts and such a capacity for giving and hoping that I’m in awe sometimes of how “great” a nation we really are. Our greatness doesn’t come from money/things, but from our selflessness to others.

If there’s a typhoon in Japan, Americans are the first to reach into their wallets to give. Earthquake in Haiti? ditto.

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Finn — Oxtails – you’re so right!! Aren’t oxtails considered the “lesser” part of the cow? It’s tough and it takes HOURS to cook…………….so you’re right — why ARE they so expensive?

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here’s a couple variations on the Tuscan steak. If done properly it;s seared on the outside at a very high temp and very rare in the middle

Ok, dat do look good.

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Well, actually oxtails make a great vietnamese pho where you want the flavor of the bone/marrow as well as the meat. But we have found we can make good pho with chicken which is, what, $.99 to $1.99 lb?

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“(AP) — The U.S. economy added a solid 146,000 jobs in November and the unemployment rate fell to 7.7 percent, the lowest since December 2008. The government said Superstorm Sandy had only a minimal effect on the figures.”

Great news.

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A better cut of beef than tenderloin (to me) is the prime rib which you can catch at Costco during the holidays for around $7.00 lb. We buy it in 3-4 rib packs and a single rib slice will feed a family of 3 for 1-2 meals.

With some horseradish? Ohohoh

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seems to me that by speaking to this matter the Liberals have revealed their intent.

The only resonable way to fix this problem to tax the bigs more and redistribute the money via government intervention. If not that then Jay is simply telling us this in order to let all the young males out there know tha they need an education, something that we already know.

The entire problem with the liberal think tank is that you look at the haves as being responsible for the have nots. The fact is that the game is called capitalisim, its the system we play in, its the base of our freedoms. To open a company and work your butt off to make it big and then give it to your kids is an effort that cannot be looked at as bad. The entire argument fails in basic accepted capitalistic thought. The only way to “balance the scales” would have to be to take from one group and give to another. If that is the answer we should be open about it and simply vote to change our form of government.

We can put Capitalist Republic, Socialist Monarchy and Communist Dictatorship on the ballot and let the people decide. Lets stop talking about all this and put it to a vote. In a free republic the givernment cannot take from one and give to another to promote balance and good., Its a self defeating effort, by definition- if this is what we have chosen we are no longer a free republic. We have to be a socialist country. No hyberbole in that statement its just real talk.

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One of the early slave revolts on American soil was in New England. The slaves were revolting because their owners were trying to make them eat LOBSTER at every meal.

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“What is crazy is $4.99 lb for oxtails. I just don’t understand that”

I saw a show about that. Basically, the idea was that if you want cheap cuts cheaply, go to the richer parts of town…if you want the expensive cuts for less, go to the poorer parts of town.

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@alex – Alex. sigh………. I wasn’t trying to hurt your feelings, talk about your taste in men/women OR belittle you. I was just commenting on what you saidit was not a personal attack. I’m sorry if I offended you, but alex; this is a blog, and though you’re probably an exceptional person, kind and full of life — I’m just not that into you. Sorry.

stands — I wouldn’t DARE try to do anything with Beef Tenderloin. I’ll leave the artistry of cooking, (because good cooking IS an art), to the master.

Finn — Same comment as above! I like oxtails, but the best i can do is this stew that my mother makes when she puts hte oxtails in a crock pot with some yucca, sweet potatoes and peanuts. Other than that……

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There is no fiscal crises in America.

Our economy is returning to normal.

cons lose again.

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Jam please explain your logic. maybe I am missing something.

who is taking from who and how

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A better cut of beef than tenderloin (to me) is the prime rib which you can catch at Costco during the holidays for around $7.00 lb. We buy it in 3-4 rib packs and a single rib slice will feed a family of 3 for 1-2 meals.

I get prime rib at Whole Foods—nothing but prime cut there. For the horseradish sauce, I use Inglehoffer. If it’s too sharp for you, you can always cut it with some sour cream.

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DDR

My bro-n-law has to be the most kindnest man EVAH to put up with a bunch of women, (one pregnant, one half crazy, and one special needs
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Which one are you

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I guess I’m doing it wrong….

‘Welfare Spending Equates to $168 Per Day for Every Household in Poverty’

“The amount of money spent on welfare programs equals, when converted to cash payments, about $168 per day for every household in poverty.

…welfare spending per day per household in poverty is $168, which is higher than the $137 median income per day. When broken down per hour, welfare spending per hour per household in poverty is $30.60, which is higher than the $25.03 median income per hour.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/welfare-spending-equates-168-day-every-household-poverty_665160.html

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” if the government doesn’t move to address it, eventually the people will”

Exactly.

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American/multinational CEOs gave themselves a 396% increase in income from 1992 – 2007. During that time they convinced (with mountains of money) members of the US government to lower their tax rate by 37%.

They gave basically no increases at all to their American employees during those years. Though productivity per employee more than doubled.

Also, of note, corporate profits are at all time highs.

Your idea of capitalism is perverted, and why as George Bush noted in September of 2008, “This sucker could go down.”

Please explain why economic injustice is good for America.

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Mama – 11:50

Has it ever occured to you, even once, that a Socialist Government is not necessarly a Monarchy and a Communist Government does not necessarly have to be a Dictatorship?

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mama,

I have no idea what you are talking about but here is a new idea.

A global consumer union.

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getalife

you did support the concept that was posted earlier that id the government dosent fix it the people will right ?

i asked you how you fix it and what you do when u become one that has to much

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mama,

I support capitalism but trickle dowm, invisible hand and laffer curve is all bs.

The focus on the wealthy worked for them but failed the rest of the American people.

Focus on the middle class American worker will work.

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thanks for the oxtail explanation. also, I’ll check oxtail prices in buckhead next time i’m over that way or shopping for recreational drugs.

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“getalife, go ask your boss”

I am retired.

I am the boss.

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getalife

at the risk of being a smarta**, who is giving you your retirement check while you are not working for them ?

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Doggone/GA

December 7th, 2012
11:17 am
“From my own experience, the company I work for has been hiring and expanding since I’ve been here. All that dispite efforts from enviromental (hardly conservative or republican) groups to harm my industry”

Another way of saying: my industry can absorb and comply with environtmental regulations and still grow and remain profitable
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No, not really.

The push from the enviromental groups is the out right ban of our packaging (bottles). How do you absorb that? Our industry has one of the highest rates for the use of recycled raw materials out there, that cost can be absorbed. An all out ban on the use of plastic bottles would put my employer out of business. That would mean the loss of about 5000 jobs nationwide. Not to mention the impact on suppliers.

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i am getalife,

you advocate taking money from people as a formal government policy, as you draw from the very people you condem, as you do not work for them–that is my business

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Joe: Result: less oxtail availability and higher prices when you can find it.

Ahhh the oldest story……..demand/price/availability! thanks joe!

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nathan: the more the common man is screwed. if the government doesn’t move to address it, eventually the people will

History 101 — this has happened again and again in the history of the world. Tsarist Russia; French Revolution, American Revolution, etc., etc., etc. When will they learn?

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mama,

The mindless governing for the wealthy only ended.

Your ideology lost.

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TBG @ 12:06

You know I gotta get my hands on one of those now… Gonna be bloggin’ while blingin’.

I also noticed that Mr. Billings didn’t ever come back and acknowlege the fact that Obama and the Dems signing off on the sequestration, which the GOP supported, was nothing more than the GOP getting the government spending cuts they’ve been whining about. It doesn’t surprise me that nobody wants to own up to the bad stuff that their ideology is responsible for.

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Yep, a half a million people gave up looking for work, so of course, the jobless rate falls.

proof for you blind dummycrats.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/unemployment-rate-falls-more-adults-discouraged-quit-looking-165711644.html

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Jay does this take into account benefits or just hourly wages. It is misleading if it only takes into account wages.

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