Why the Republicans may regret holding the House

The worst thing to happen to Republicans in the 2012 election cycle will not turn out to be Mitt Romney’s defeat. Nor will it be their party’s squandering of a great opportunity to take the Senate.

No, the worst thing to happen to the Republican Party in 2012 was holding onto the House. That victory will be their undoing. It will cause major damage to the Republican brand and to Republican party unity. In fact, that victory — not the setbacks mentioned above — may end up being the catalyst that finally forces a rethinking of the GOP strategy and approach.

I understand that sounds odd, but it’s true. Without control of the House, Republicans would not be suffering through their current existential crisis. Without GOP control, it would be the responsibility of majority Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi to provide the politically risky votes for tax hikes and spending cuts that are needed to correct our fiscal course.

The Republicans, in contrast, would be free to sit back, united, and do what they do well, which is preach the ideologically pure message that taxes must never be raised and entitlements are the whole problem. Come 2014, they could rally behind that message and make the Democrats pay at the ballot box.

History says that’s a great strategy. It’s exactly what Republicans did two decades ago, when Bill Clinton tackled a booming deficit by forcing through major tax hikes without a single Republican vote. While that proved successful as policy, the backlash led directly to the 1994 Gingrich Revolution and the first GOP House majority in 40 years.

This time, though, the Democrats don’t control the House. The Republicans do. They have the power and the votes, and thus they have the responsibility. And as the party in power in the House, the Republican leadership is somehow going to have to produce a significant number of votes in favor of higher taxes. They can scratch and claw and hem and haw and mumble about a coup d’etat against Boehner, but that’s how this chapter is destined to end.

And then what?

Those Republicans who took the practical and I would argue patriotic course of doing what was necessary will then engage in some rather heated “discussion”, we’ll call it, with those members who stayed the one true course, at least in their own minds. Again, you can already see that dynamic taking shape.

House Speaker John Boehner, for example, has thrown four of his fellow Republicans off of committees as a warning to others who might feel rebellious. Sen. Jim DeMint has lambasted what he calls “Speaker Boehner’s $800 billion tax hike.” Erick Erickson at RedState says the time has come for conservatives to “either start blowing stuff up or shut up.” Rush Limbaugh says the speaker is “conducting a seminar on how to surrender.”

And that rancor will only get worse. To millions in the GOP base, this is a betrayal of all that they’ve been taught to believe, committed by traitors to whom they looked as leaders.

I’ve seen suggestions on the left that this is all some sort of stage-managed, theatrical gamesmanship by conservatives to vent steam and prepare the base for the inevitable. It is not. A ban on tax hikes has been the core uniting issue for the Republicans for more than a generation, and it is being abandoned. It’s as if some strange and inconceivable combination of events had occurred that gave Democrats no choice but to produce votes in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade.

This is bone-deep stuff for the Republicans. This is who they are. This is 30-plus years of indoctrination running head on into brute fiscal reality, and the collision is going to create casualties.

Over the weekend, Grover Norquist predicted that this could lead to a newly reinvigorated Tea Party, and “Tea Party II is going to dwarf Tea Party I.” He may be right, in terms of Tea Party intensity if not size. It may also, simultaneously, lead to a resurgence among moderate Republicans unhappy with the extremism that the modern GOP has adopted and has talked itself into believing is the mainstream. Such splintering could produce any number of outcomes, and in the end I have no idea how you patch all that back together into a cohesive party.

But this is what happens when an inflexible, idealistic mantra perfectly suited for a party in opposition is actually implemented by a party that has power.

– Jay Bookman

585 comments Add your comment

Tundra Dude

December 5th, 2012
4:58 pm

Good timing…First!

Tundra Dude

December 5th, 2012
5:04 pm

Without GOP control, it would be the responsibility of majority Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi to provide the politically risky votes for tax hikes and spending cuts that are needed to correct our fiscal course.

Ahhh. good point.
(where does one get time to think of all these things) ;-)

Joe Hussein Mama

December 5th, 2012
5:06 pm

And it couldn’t have happened to a more *deserving* bunch of politicians.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:06 pm

More Bookman prognostications about the demise of the Republican party. Anything to avoid the coming Cliff huh? :)

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:08 pm

*deserving* HAHAHAHA!!!!! :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
5:14 pm

Interesting. With the perhaps paper tiger threats of tea party challengers the recent gerrymandering could exacerbate the falling from grace of a number of the quivering.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
5:16 pm

” Sen. Jim DeMint has lambasted what he calls “Speaker Boehner’s $800 billion tax hike.” Erick Erickson at RedState says the time has come for conservatives to “either start blowing stuff up or shut up.” Rush Limbaugh says that the speaker is “conducting a seminar on how to surrender.”

Man, that cracked me up :)

Cosby

December 5th, 2012
5:18 pm

Tired of Repbus vs Dems tired of class warefare, tired of I won so I can do anything I want to including running the country off the cliff – literally and not just the physical clif – . When will people as Jay and the rest of the so called news media – and I say that loosley as there is no news, just made up one liners. This country is more divided than ever promoted by the news media and the White House. It is broke – yep – broke – you can listen to Jay, CNN, NBC,ABC, Fox and at the end of it all they are saying the same thing – the USA is broke and divided -We are no longer Americans but a special; group that should receive special handouts from the government ( See CNN today that is running “Who is Black in americia”- where will this all end up – well in the next year or two – Greece will look like a great country to the USA..thanks to Dems, Repubs, Jay and the news media – thanks a lot

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:19 pm

Republicans were destined to be losers.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 5th, 2012
5:20 pm

Well, I sure hope they don’t vote for a tax increase. That ain’t the Republican way. If we can’t cut out enough spending, we need a Fee increase. Now Fees are the Republican way. If you need money for guvmint, you don’t pass a tax. You pass a Fee.

If we got to have more money, then we need a Income Fee, not a Income Tax. Long as it looks like the fee is being passed on to some other sucker citizen, a decent Republican will go along with it. Not that we’ll like it, but we’ll tolerate it.

Have a good night everybody.

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:20 pm

IMAN

Stuff it… here I was, all ready for a tangle with you, and I wind up agreeing with just about everything you said. Good column and astute analysis…

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:21 pm

What’s the point of rehashing old news? “Our” president has already won right? Let him own it. Walk away and let sequestration happen. Win-win right? :)

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:21 pm

Jay

Very interesting take on the subject.

With the gerrymandered districts I can see a more moderate type Republican elected in many of them the next time around.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
5:21 pm

This just keeps getting better and better. If you fake conservatives though the last few years were horrible for you, get used to even worse days ahead.

Maybe that self-deport stuff was merely aimed at the wrong crowd, Mr. Romney…

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:24 pm

Josef

I stopped by the pet store on the way home.

They were all out of troll chow.

When I went to the previous thread I found out why.

That’s gonna be one stuffed troll by the end of the evening.

:-)

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:24 pm

Sheldon Adelson says he’s going to double his bet on the Republicans in the next election. :lol:

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:25 pm

Jam,

Worry about “our” president. Mitt will be just fine. “Our Lord and savior” is gonna fix everything. I am so stoked! :)

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:26 pm

COMMON

I hope he does start something with me…I had one of THOSE days… :-)

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:27 pm

TP

I want to get a job as a Republican pollster in the next go round.

I can get drunk and make crap up as well as they do.

:-)

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:27 pm

definition of stoked – full of it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
5:28 pm

Ummm… that would require Magnolia Julep chow. :D

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

THOSE days… HAHAHAHA!!! :)

Morality?

December 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

If you think the fiscal cliff is bad you ain’t seen thing yet. Obama’s worst mistake is winning the election. The buck stops with OBAMA.

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

So, what’s the dems strategy when the Obama tax hikes aren’t enough to cover the massive increase in spending and we continue headlong over the cliff? Blame Bush some more? More hikes? You know the hikes he wants are a drop in the bucket, so then what?

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

Insofar as the Tea Party, etc, is concerned…it’s time the mainstream GOP tells them to go away, they’re more a liability than an asset…and if they do? Where will the Tea Partiers go…? Away into well deserved ignominy.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

I heard sheldon bought the election in Israel and trying to do it here.

Old Goober

December 5th, 2012
5:30 pm

Give it up, Cons. You’ve done everything in your power to cut Those People out of federal aid. All this mention of Obama phones and food stamps is just so much code for “no tax money for people who aren’t like me.” The American citizenry has spoken loudly at the polls. Unless you want to go the way of the Whig party, you’ll listen.

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:30 pm

If Sheldon and the Koch boys and the other billionaires all promise to double down on their campaign funding, we might see the economy come roaring back. We should hold more elections since that’s apparently what it takes to get the Republican party’s so-called job creators to actually create jobs.

Morality?

December 5th, 2012
5:30 pm

Obama will go down in history as the “Herbert Hoover” of the 2013 Great Depression.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:30 pm

It don’t take much

:-)

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:30 pm

Definition of TaxPayer-generational leech

Morality?

December 5th, 2012
5:31 pm

Tax hikes will account for 10% of what we need to avoid this disaster – Obama will get the blame for the CUTS.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 5th, 2012
5:31 pm

TaxPayer — “Sheldon Adelson says he’s going to double his bet on the Republicans in the next election.”

That man ought to know better than to try to draw to an inside straight.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 5th, 2012
5:32 pm

RB — “So, what’s the dems strategy when the Obama tax hikes aren’t enough to cover the massive increase in spending and we continue headlong over the cliff? Blame Bush some more? More hikes? You know the hikes he wants are a drop in the bucket, so then what?”

Soylent Green, and you go first, RB.

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
5:32 pm

“If you think the fiscal cliff is bad you ain’t seen thing yet. Obama’s worst mistake is winning the election. The buck stops with OBAMA.”

Not as long as he has the likes of Bookman and the rest of the Obama apologist media covering for him. He could murder Kate and her unborn child and they wouldn’t cover the story (or would blame it on Republicans).

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:33 pm

Morality

The what? He’s no Roosevelt, for sure, but he’s no Hoover either…

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:33 pm

C’mon getalife say it loud and don’t dance around it. You know you want to say the J-word.

Morality?

December 5th, 2012
5:33 pm

I won a Rolex off a pimp one time with an inside straight……. lucks part of the game.
For Obama getting out of this mess will be like hitting a royal flush on the river.

Mr. Snarky

December 5th, 2012
5:34 pm

Sounds like fun. Please pass the popcorn.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
5:35 pm

josef, i am hoping that the Uncle Sam haters in the Tea Party make a big comeback!

Along with Fox News and Rush Limbaugh they are the non-Republicans’ biggest secret weapon!

Astropig

December 5th, 2012
5:35 pm

Actually, Jay is kind of wrong here. the system is working just as intended.

The Founding Geniuses knew that the unity of their time (a time of revolution from the crown) would last only a season. They knew that eventually there would be demogogues and scoundrels ensconced in the offices then held by the likes of Hamilton,Jefferson and…Washington. They correctly foresaw that the Barack Obamas of the political world would come and go in our representative republic. Thats why they built a system that could most easily produce “gridlock” (although the term was unknown to them). They ensured that any big political shifts would have to have very broad support to become law. The whole concept of checks and balances was specifically designed to frustrate the political class that would fan the passions of the moment to grab power (and fortune) on the backs of what was then a relatively poor population of smallholders and merchants. Their genius was a letter to posterity that ensured that the Nancy Pelosi’s and Harry Reid’s (And Newt Gingriches and Mitch McConnells) of the world had strict,clearly defined limits on their power. The protections devised over two centuries ago still prevent a narrow majority (or plurality) from acting with dictatorial power.

So cheer up if you are in favor of the constitution. It still works as designed. Gridlock is good.

Morality?

December 5th, 2012
5:35 pm

josef – I pray you are right but I am a realist. Can Obama hit a royal flush on the river? Hope so.

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:37 pm

NERO

Nope. You’ve got getalife wrong on that one…

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:37 pm

I can get drunk and make crap up as well as they do.

Yes but can you melt down in full splendor live on FOX. Rove has set a new standard for Republican melt-down. I suspect that will be part of the interview process when applying for Republican pundit.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:38 pm

Fiscal Cliff talks are frozen. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Everybody raise they’re arms in the air like on the Scream Machine at Six Flags!!

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
5:38 pm

Everyone without the last name of van Winkle knows that George Walker Bush was the modern day Herbert Hoover.

Both are consistently listed near the bottom of presidential rankings and Meatality knows that.

Alas he voted for George twice…

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:42 pm

TP
Yes but can you melt down in full splendor live on FOX. Rove has set a new standard for Republican melt-down. I suspect that will be part of the interview process when applying for Republican pundit.
————————————————————————————-

That’s a lot of booze

:-)

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:43 pm

For Obama getting out of this mess will be like hitting a royal flush on the river.

Obama is holding that Royal flush. The funny part is that Republicans have already been shown Obama’s winning hand and they’re still in denial. The Republicans are so deep in denial, they are probably expecting Mitt to jump up on the stage at the last minute during the inauguration and get sworn in. :lol:

Pizzaman

December 5th, 2012
5:43 pm

I’m so sick of the Republicans and their allegiance to Grover Norquist instead of to the overall welfare of the Country. After all “support and defend……….all enemies foreign and domestic”. I say let them go over the cliff and we can start over without them!

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:44 pm

Anybody know where Obama’s gonna be on Dec. 21?

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:46 pm

josef,

Sure I do. Sheldon….Israel…bought election. Keep pretending you can’t read between the lines. We know what he meant.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:46 pm

josef

He’s probably gonna be sitting down with Boehnor for a good cry

:-)

Ronald Reagan

December 5th, 2012
5:47 pm

Benghazi answers? We are still waiting & the families need to know the truth!

Pete

December 5th, 2012
5:48 pm

I believe the Gerrymandering by Republican state houses in 2010 to create “safe” GOP districts are going to lead to national losses for the party for the next two election cycles. The safe districts create a situation where the party can’t make the moves on immigration in particular they need to in order to succeed nationally. If the lines had not been drawn so “cleverly,” the Representatives would have the votes to fend of the Tea Party primary challenge. I think this will be a serious problem for them until redistricting after 2020.

nahila

December 5th, 2012
5:48 pm

You are grossly out of line. You cannot spend $1.25 of your tax collection of $1.00 because you are giving away the .25 cents borrowed from China to give the foreign governments buying their loyalty, keeping our troops in bases all over the globe, be beset by fraud in all phases of government, keep paying people not to work and stay home, when we should be paying them to go back to school to qualify for a better job. However, when you tax away surplus income from Corporations and small businesses that can create the needed jobs, you condemn the unemployed and untrained workers to a system of dependency for Government support thru the various food stamp cards and Medicaid. The only way out of our economic crisis is to provide tax incentives to those businesses that increase the number of employees that work for them. We must have more workers pulling the wagon and less riding the wagon. We must stop rewarding people when they have more dependent children by limiting the number of children per parent that can receive government support and we must run down the fathers to demand that they pay for some support of their children.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
5:49 pm

It seems the GOP is losing on the corporate popular front too…. Pappa John’s and Olive Garden (Darden) are not the only ones backtracking on Obamacare claims after consumers started voting with their dollars. :lol:

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
5:51 pm

“You cannot spend $1.25 of your tax collection of $1.00 ”

Sure you can. Ever had a mortgage, or a car loan, or a credit card you couldn’t pay off all at once? That’s spending beyond what you make. No differenece

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:51 pm

…”voting with their dollars.” LOL! :)

getalife

December 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

You can’t beat our President cons.

Give it up and show respect.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

Josef – the underground bunkers under that resort (sorry the name escapes me at the moment) in West Virginia.

saywhat?

December 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

I still predict that over the long term, two parties will emerge. One will be the “conservative party” consisting of red dog democrats, and any moderate republicans that may still exist somewhere in the wild. Whether it will still be called the Republican Party, who knows. The teatards, however will be kicked to the curb as a fringe party.

This will leave the more progressive Democrats in charge of the liberal party, with some O.W.S. types joining in. Again whether this will still be called the Democratic Party is anybody’s guess.

The net result will hopefully be two parties that are actually somewhat equidistant on either side from a point close to the center, and that will once again be able to compromise.

Jackie

December 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

The problem is not the politicians that espouse the outlandish ideas, those who support those so-called conservative politicians keep these people in office.

It appears those who vote for the so-called conservatives are delusional.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:54 pm

Come back getalife. Let’s talk more about how those people buy elections. I’m eager for your theory on it all.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:55 pm

getalife,

Lets talk more about Sheldon and Israel.

clem

December 5th, 2012
5:56 pm

that maroon chip rogers just cost his district some big bucks to hold special election….they ought to garnish his gpb paycheck

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:56 pm

NERO

“Sure I do. Sheldon….Israel…bought election. Keep pretending you can’t read between the lines. We know what he meant.”

Between WHAT lines…Sheldon did put plenty of shekels into the Israeli election…he did the same here. He came out on the winning side there. He didn’t here.

I know what you’re trying to intimate, but, no, that’s not at all what getalife was saying or what was motivating him…

I’m the kind that can find residual anti Semitism (the J word) in a peanut butter sandwich, but I don’t see it in what getalife posted at all…and, secondly, having been on the blog for a fairly long time. that has never surfaced that I can recall with getalife…it’s not in him that I can determine…

Real Scootter

December 5th, 2012
5:56 pm

nahila

December 5th, 2012
5:48 pm

Good luck with that! lol

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
5:57 pm

Pizzaman, “I say let them go over the cliff and we can start over without them!”

You do realize without all those evil rich people, most of whom own or run the businesses that employ the likes of YOU, there’s nobody paying the bills around here. YOU might actually have to pay for your own crap. Tell me something Pizzaman, why aren’t all the Democrat owned businesses hiring all these unemployed people just because they care about the poor “less fortunate”? Why is that?

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:58 pm

Nunna

I have no link, but the water cooler talk at work was that it was the Colorado site… -)

Cherokee

December 5th, 2012
5:59 pm

Actually RB the deficit is already falling quickly – as the economy grows. Obama, like Clinton before him, will bring about substantial growth, reduring the debt even further.

Good times….

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
5:59 pm

I finally remembered the name – Greenbrier.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
6:00 pm

nahila@5:48 pm

And all those tax breaks after 2001 created how many decent paying jobs?

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
6:00 pm

Colorado would probably be better. Further away from DC.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
6:02 pm

On second thought, it is closer to Yellowstone.

Real Scootter

December 5th, 2012
6:03 pm

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:56 pm

You are probably right about getalife.Hail,you seem to know more about me than I know about myself! lol

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:03 pm

josef,

Defend him all you want. It’s clear what he implied. He thinks that when conservative jews contribute to an election it is somehow “bought”. You need to dig a little deeper in that peanut butter sandwich.

CJ

December 5th, 2012
6:03 pm

For fun, it seems, PPP polled Georgia Republicans and found that Herman Cain would crush Saxby Chambliss in a Republican primary (if it were held today).

For what it’s worth.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/12/chambliss-vulnerable-in-a-primary.html

indigo

December 5th, 2012
6:04 pm

Republicans sold their souls to Big Business years ago.

Now, the chickens have come home to roost.

We, the American people may see some benefit out of this internal Republican chaos. Or, we may all go over the cliff together and only the rich will have parachutes.

Which way will this turn out?

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
6:05 pm

Keep, “It seems the GOP is losing on the corporate popular front too…. Pappa John’s and Olive Garden (Darden) are not the only ones backtracking on Obamacare claims after consumers started voting with their dollars. ”

You all just keep pretending every business in America who employs the same workforce OG and PJ do isn’t doing exactly what they’re doing whether they say it or not. If you really think a single dang restaurant chain isn’t going to cut all their people to part time hours to get under the 30 hour limit, YOU’RE EFFING KIDDING YOURSELF. For one, the “affordable” healthcare policy they’re required to provide their employees DOES NOT EXIST. That leaves paying the fines or cutting the hours.

So, when all your “less fortunate” are trying to make it on 25 hours a week or spending their limited gas money driving to 2 jobs, who are you going to blame that on? If you’re not willing to pay $9 for a cheesburger or $25 for a pizza, it’s YOU who are to blame so don’t go looking any further than your mirror.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:06 pm

nero,

I can’t think for you.

Do your own research leecher.

RAMZAD

December 5th, 2012
6:08 pm

This just goes to show the importance and the vitality of the vote in a democratic society. The American people voted and politicians are running like cockroaches under the glare of a police flashlight. I love it. I hope when Republicans go to blow things up some of the C-4 is defective
and pop before……..

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
6:09 pm

“Actually RB the deficit is already falling quickly”

WOW. Somebody seriously ain’t paying attention. Even the CBO is projecting a $20T debt looming and this ^^^^ clown thinks it’s going down. Don’t forget to change your bong water, dude!!

Matti

December 5th, 2012
6:09 pm

“In other words, this is bone-deep stuff for the Republicans. This is who they are. “

Heh heh…. Heh…
Uhhhh, sorry. Well, there comes a time in every life when an man or woman has to look in the mirror and take a good, hard, heh… look at the face staring back. “Is this who I wanted to be? Am I doing what I’m supposed to do? Is it time to change? What do I keep? What do I leave behind?”

It’s healthy.

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:13 pm

NERO

No. I think it is you who are hedging on using the J word for your take. If person A (conservative or liberal) puts the money where the mouth is, and seeks to buy an election—and there’s plenty of that going around–it person A happens to be Jewish, all of the sudden that canard comes to certain minds.

Believe me, if getalife felt that way, he’d say so and mince no words in the process…he ain’t known for his between-the-lines subtleties…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
6:14 pm

RB, what an idiotic post you made. I applaud you thought…pulling that much out of your arse with your head so far up there was quite a trick.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:14 pm

getalife,

Your silence spoke volumes. We all know what you meant. Jews…

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:16 pm

josef,

I think it was a politician over there that said he bought the election.

The left teased bibi about picking the wrong horse.

sheldon wants war with Iran.

Bob Loblaw

December 5th, 2012
6:17 pm

Jay, you’re right and wrong: this will strengthen TEA Party resolve, but not its size. The freakshow is proving to hurt the brand. The next two years will put it out of its misery. It’ll be like Perot 2.0. Ineffective and tired.

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:18 pm

Scootter…

I guess you weren’t here last p.m. Between the Imam and Tom Middleton, I found out I don’t know nuthin. Those two, on the other hand, know me inside and out… :-)

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:19 pm

We need the tea party to stop w and the gop from blowing our surplus and exploding our deficit.

Bad timing.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
6:20 pm

Zero feigning concern over Jews.

Hysterical…

And getalife vs. zero is like LSU vs. Idaho…

middle of the road

December 5th, 2012
6:21 pm

don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax that man behind the tree.

(but there is no one behind the tree)

don’t cut my services, don’t cut the pork going to my district, cut only waste and someone else’s pork. Cut medicaid services to the poor, but reuire hospitals to treat them anyway, but don’t let it up my insurance. Cut Medicare to people who make less than I, but don’t cut my mother’s medicare.

Don’t cut Medicare, Medicaid, Social security, defense, or the interest – just cut the rest (that is about 10% of the budget).

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:21 pm

josef,

Let him defend himself. I’m sure you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his silence is telling. His words were purposeful and loaded. We may disagree, but I enjoy your informed and thoughtful posts. Don’t defend him. He knows exactly what he did.

Real Scootter

December 5th, 2012
6:22 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
6:14 pm

I know it’s none of my business but couldn’t RB be correct? (serious question)

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
6:23 pm

Keep, “RB, what an idiotic post you made. I applaud you thought…pulling that much out of your arse with your head so far up there was quite a trick.”

So, you think there IS an affordable policy these employers can buy for their employees, the public WILL pay more for their product to cover the increased cost, the employers will eat the $2K fine and not pass it along to consumers, or what? What’s your point, Keep?

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:24 pm

nero,

Your knee jerk reaction is wrong.

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:24 pm

getalife

Yeah…the left got a lot of milage out of that one, all right… but you know the way I see that one is that Bibi and Barack are laughing up their sleeves at the gullibility of the press, pundits and politicians in falling hook, line and sinker for their, in my opinion, somewhat brilliant, play of their mutual constituencies to get the support to further their mutual aims…

NERO

Just for the record, getalife is one of the few here who actually pays attention to what’s going on in the ME beyond what the latest memo from the respective “sides” are saying…

pogo

December 5th, 2012
6:24 pm

To read supposed adults calling a two bit political hack in a failing newspaper “Imam” pretty much tells you where America is now at now.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:24 pm

JamVet,

We all know your think politics. Go back to defending Obama and the Dems. Moew power to ya. Don’t defend getalife for his obvious jew baiting.

Mick

December 5th, 2012
6:26 pm

astropig

Some very good points about the founders intentions. We had to wait out the ruin of the previous president.

This column has great perspective, whoever said that governing would be as easy as it was in the good ole days (2001-2007)? We all lived through that and the culmination of those policy’s left the world economy teetering!

Nero is correct in one sense, yes, the rich need to pay more in taxes but everyone else should too. A 3.5 increase for the top 2% and 1% from the rest of us, everyone needs to have some skin in deficit reduction…

The Republican Civil War Begins

December 5th, 2012
6:27 pm

“Republicans will cave on the question of raising the tax rate for the highest-income Americans. The only question is whether they do so before or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff.”

ABC News is reporting that Speaker Boehner is exploring a “doomsday” option that will let members vote “present” on the Senate’s bill to extend all the Bush tax cuts except on incomes over $250,000. As of yet, Grover Norquist, who enforces that American Taxpayer Pledge that all but a handful of congressional Republicans have signed, has not said if that “present” vote would violate his pledge to never raise taxes.”

http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-republican-civil-war-begins/

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:28 pm

sheldon is benefiting from globalization of Sands resorts in the world.

He donates to cons in Israel and here and will continue to buy elections.

It is legal.

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:29 pm

NERO

I appreciate the compliment, and thank you. I’m not out to “defend” getalife or give him benefit of the doubt. He and I have tangled before, but I’m just saying that when it comes to the charge of anti Jewishness, I’ve never seen even a hint of that from him.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
6:29 pm

Well Scooter, despite the silly idiotic rant by RB, we know prices are not going up to $9 burgers, etc. Pappa John’s indicated it would be $0.10 a pizza for them (although that does not mean that number is correct). We also don’t know what it would have cost had not Obamacare gone into effect (costs have been rising for some time). Darden has tested using part time employees and found that it hurt their business and consumers were not happy. So no, I don’t believe that garbage for one minute. But the chicken littles see anything as disaster. We’re stronger than that.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:30 pm

josef,

An informed person making jew baiting comments is still in the end, a jew baiter. He was clear with is choice of words and seems comfortable as well. Don’t defend him. It’s beneath you.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:31 pm

josef,

We’re cool man.

fedup

December 5th, 2012
6:32 pm

Boehner can do what Ehud Barak did in Isreal. He can take a bunch of RINOs form a separate party and make a deal with the Dem to remain a speaker. Then the TEA party can blow in the wind and foam and froth and whatever they do best. That will be a hoot.

Fred ™

December 5th, 2012
6:33 pm

Damn josef, I guess I caught the very end. I missed Jay being in your ass. Do I need to jack him up for you? I mean he’s banished my phrase that pays……………. I’m just looking for a good excuse. I’ll get him good. I will taunt him like a frenchman. He’s not gonna dis a Mississippi homeboy while I’M around lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs

TM

December 5th, 2012
6:33 pm

We are suppose to believe we would be better off if Pelosi was in charge of the house??? I have a new Poll– who is in favor or condemning Bookman’s neighborhood to construct a new land fill for Fulton county?? With the prices of homes depressed we can get it at a steal and reduce our garbage fees by millions a year. ,

Independent voter

December 5th, 2012
6:33 pm

Repubs in the House have a plan … just vote PRESENT like Obama did as a senator… then its up to Pelosi and the dumdocrats.. to raise taxes, cut spending , and balance the budget…. not a CHANCE !!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
6:33 pm

But just to be clear Scooter, as with many others, I agree that employers should not have to cover healthcare for employees. We should have single payor and cover dental as well. Healthcare, as established by Nixon, is a right that should not be based on who can afford it and for those who cant, only emergency care at the costs of business and others.

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:34 pm

pogo

Oh, I’m the one who called him Imam…he do love his Sharia! :-)

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:35 pm

Nero,

Jew baiting?

Too funny.

Wilbur

December 5th, 2012
6:35 pm

Praise God the republicans hold the house. Unlike Jay and his Liberal friends, politics might not be their god and and what the democrat toady media say might not be their end all and be all. Maybe they will week the Obamacrats from screwing up this country even more.

Fred ™

December 5th, 2012
6:36 pm

LOL They have the WHOLE Holy Grail movie on youtube. I never knew that. For the young pup Nero……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyIZK7GWSPI

F. Sinkwich

December 5th, 2012
6:36 pm

The House is the only institution standing between America and euro-socialist Armageddon. Like the brave patriots during the Battle of the Alamo, conservatives are heroically holding out against the Santa Anna-like moonbat siege of all that made this country great.

Need proof of what miserable things can happen when the maker-hating takers control both houses of congress and the power of a lunatic POTUS? See 2009-2011.

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:37 pm

NERO

Just saying, I didn’t see it as Jew Baiting…and I’ll jump on that bait as quick as a Mississippi mud cat! :-)

TM

December 5th, 2012
6:38 pm

And for those who this families making 250K a year or more should pay their fair share. What about the single person with no kid making 175K? Why don’t they help out??

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
6:40 pm

:lol: Sinky thinks the Texans won at the Alamo. Guess he’s never visited the basement there.

Independent voter

December 5th, 2012
6:40 pm

Jay Bookman needs a real JOB and a real LIFE !!!

Mick

December 5th, 2012
6:40 pm

sink

I think the republicans have nothing to offer except their fealty and loyalty to the 2% wealthy class. That strategy is both a short term and long term loser…

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:41 pm

getalife,

Laugh it up. We know exactly what you meant. Go back to the trough. Maybe if you’re too busy stealing from future generations, you won’t have time to post your jew hating words.

Real Scootter

December 5th, 2012
6:41 pm

Thanks for the comeback Keep!I see where you are coming from now. My roommate is a chicken little,after Obama was re-elected he ran around here trowing his arms up in the air so much that I thought he was going aloft. lol

moonbat betty

December 5th, 2012
6:41 pm

Good thing the Obama and the dems have a scape goat.

Otherwise they may have to claim responsibility for something…anything.

The Bush thing is beginning to get stale

Fore!!

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:41 pm

The “mafia” tried to go global with casinos in Cuba but sheldon took it to a whole new level and is one of the most powerful figures in Israeli and American politics.

Meyer Lansky would be impressed.

jconservative

December 5th, 2012
6:41 pm

“Well, I sure hope they don’t vote for a tax increase.”

Relax Redneck. No one is going to vote for a tax increase. No one is going to be asked to vote for a tax increase. That was done in December 2010. Taxes are going up on 100% of taxpayers 1/1/2013. No one is going to be asked to vote for anything but a tax cut. Republicans can vote to give 100% of taxpayers a Tax Cut on their first $250,000 of income and not vote for a dime of tax increases on anyone. Just make sure the wording is correct.

This is the US Congress located in Washington, DC and this is the DC way of doing things.

Georgia on my mind...

December 5th, 2012
6:42 pm

Jay, this is one of your better articles. Excellent observation!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
6:43 pm

The Bush thing is beginning to get stale

Yes… according to you wingnuts it was stale before Bush left office

Rand Paul: Ashley Judd 'Way Damn Too Liberal' For Kentucky

December 5th, 2012
6:46 pm

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) doesn’t want actress, activist and potential Democratic candidate Ashley Judd as his fellow Kentucky senator, but he doesn’t expect her to get there anyway, he said Wednesday.
“She’s way damn too liberal for our country, for our state,” he told radio station WMAL. “She hates our biggest industry, which is coal. I say, good luck bringing the ‘I hate coal’ message to Kentucky.”
Judd is reportedly considering a run for U.S. Senate in either 2014 or 2016. If she ran in 2014, she would be challenging the top Republican in the upper chamber: Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). If she waited until 2016, though, she would be up against Paul.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/05/rand-paul-ashley-judd_n_2245171.html?ref=topbar

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:46 pm

FRED

Merci, Mec. Je lui donnais une course pour son dollar révisionniste et, tant pis, j’ai fait une erreur et j’ai dû faire la marche arrière une étape … qui lui doit avoir rendu heureux, alors … :-)

moonbat betty

December 5th, 2012
6:46 pm

Keep, keep making excuses if that is what works for ya.

Jay

December 5th, 2012
6:48 pm

Nero, stop. Just stop. Is stupid, mindless provocation all you have to offer?

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:49 pm

getalife

“Meyer Lansky would be impressed.”

Anti-Semitic Jew Baiter… :-)

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
6:49 pm

“Is stupid, mindless provocation is all you have to offer?”

short answer: yes

Since the first post he made here

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:52 pm

Oh, cr*p! Big Daddy’s here…I guess I’m going to have to be nice.. Just when I was about to get provocated! . :-)

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:55 pm

josef,

I have been called worse :)

F. Sinkwich

December 5th, 2012
6:55 pm

“Sinky thinks the Texans won at the Alamo.”

Nope.

pete

December 5th, 2012
6:56 pm

Dems have been driving this bus for 4 years. I say we just let the damn thing crash, and then sit back and enjoy the democratic circular firing squad. Once our debt hits 20 trillion, and unemployment goes above 10%, we can sit back, smile, and say “see, I told you so”.

stands for decibels

December 5th, 2012
6:59 pm

Don’t get me wrong–I really like Jay a lot. Great guy. Has a lot of good ideas. But

for tax hikes and spending cuts that are needed to correct our fiscal course.

I really wish Jay didn’t believe this.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
7:00 pm

filky,

You are not in Alamo.

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
7:00 pm

Keep, “Pappa John’s indicated it would be $0.10 a pizza for them ”

How about backing that up, keep.

F. Sinkwich

December 5th, 2012
7:03 pm

“Pappa John’s indicated it would be $0.10 a pizza for them ”

Bwaahahahahahahaha

josef

December 5th, 2012
7:03 pm

Remember the Alamo? The one on Hwy, 80 in Jackson? And how!!! :-)

stands for decibels

December 5th, 2012
7:04 pm

Real Scootter

December 5th, 2012
7:04 pm

As smart as nero is,I don’t know why he hasn’t figured out that getalife is bulletproof! :grin:

Fred ™

December 5th, 2012
7:06 pm

Josef: Aïe, cela doit avoir blessé. Je lui donnerai une coupure alors.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
7:06 pm

Why sure RB. I was wrong. The guy from PJ claimed 11-14 cents a pizza. Other analysis says less than a nickel. Now be a good chicken little wingnuts and back up your claims or just admit you don’t know what you are ranting about and apologize. I don’t think you have the ability to know the truth or to admit you were completely and absolutely wrong.

Schnatter, a Romney supporter who held a fundraiser for the former Republican nominee, said in August that Obamacare would cost the company between 11 and 14 cents per pizza. Subsequent analysis by Caleb Melby of Forbes found that the price increase would actually be closer 3.4 to 3.6 cents per pie.

Fred ™

December 5th, 2012
7:07 pm

Hey josef: They were talking Rick Perry rumors and such downstairs and someone said he was going to make “a big announcement” soon. I posted this as a guide for him. Hope you like it. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oT8f5k1W8k

Fred ™

December 5th, 2012
7:09 pm

And now I am off. Ya’ll be chilly.

stands for decibels

December 5th, 2012
7:09 pm

since I was lookin’ at the Shnatter claim myself, here’s the original documentation with that per-pizza claim..

http://www.pizzamarketplace.com/article/198309/Papa-John-s-turns-in-strong-domestic-and-international-Q2

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
7:11 pm

On Tuesday, FedEx Chairman and CEO Fred Smith, an adviser to Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign, said that the notion that tax hikes on the richest Americans would kill jobs was simply “mythology.”

And on Monday, a gathering of the nation’s top defense executives took a surprising turn when they endorsed tax rate increases on the wealthy and cuts of up to $150 billion to the Pentagon’s budget. Top executives from Northrop Grumman, Pratt & Whitney, TASC and RTI International Metals appeared at the National Press Club at an event organized by the Aerospace Industries Association, the top defense contractor lobbyist.

Poor Republicans. They’re even losing support from their 2 percenters. Now that’s gotta hurt.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:14 pm

“Judd is reportedly considering a run for U.S. Senate in either 2014 or 2016. If she ran in 2014, she would be challenging the top Republican in the upper chamber: Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). If she waited until 2016, though, she would be up against Paul.”

Dang it, did I sleep through someone changing the constitution? Don’t senators still have 6 year terms? Wouldn’t she run in 2014 or 2020?

RF

December 5th, 2012
7:15 pm

“The House is the only institution standing between America and euro-socialist Armageddon.”

I know that’s what they said at the Texas Secession seminar, but that just don’t make it so….

RF

December 5th, 2012
7:19 pm

“They’re even losing support from their 2 percenters. Now that’s gotta hurt.”

Yeah, because a lot of them have nice government contracts that would likely be hurt if the automatic cuts kick in. For them, it’s either pay a little more in taxes or risk losing a LOT of nice profit for potentially a long time. My suspicion is that if the defense budget were cut, a close examination of spending over there might reveal some of the sweetheart deals the public is quietly unaware of for the most part. They’re realizing they need to pony up a little more in the short term to protect themselves in the long run.

josef

December 5th, 2012
7:19 pm

FRED

Eh bien, J’ai dû dire que j’ai eu erreur … ,ça qu’il lui-même ne ferait jamais … donc j’ai fini par être le meilleur homme … ça en valait la peine! :-)

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:21 pm

Wow, I wish I could remember that French class from 37 years ago.

RF

December 5th, 2012
7:21 pm

“Judd is reportedly considering a run for U.S. Senate in either 2014 or 2016″

I bet she’d be a lot better at appealing to the regular folks there in Kentucky that Rand or McConnell, who basically worship at the coal mine owners’ shrine. I gotta tell you, I may not play for the regular Joe team, but that is one good looking woman who could charm a lot of voters, IMO.

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
7:22 pm

Was that Rand Paul that was overheard telling Ashley Judd that, being a woman, she should know that women folk are able to reject sperm during a legitimate rape.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:22 pm

La plume de ma tant.

Tdawg

December 5th, 2012
7:24 pm

The Republicans need to STFU and do as they are told. I will give the Republican party a little of their own advice. Like that jerk Governor in Ohio told the Democrats while they were in the process of sticking it to the Ohio middle class. Seems to me he told the Democrats that the people voted us into office to run this state, so we are going to do the peoples will weather the Democratic party likes it or not. Pretty sure Obama was elected by the people. So take some of your own advice and do as the ELECTED HEAD HANCHO told you bunch of losers to do.

By the way. I don’t like Obama/Democrats. Then again, I don’t like the Republicans either. Just like first time Obama won the election and the Republican party got on national TV and lied through their teeth, promising to work with Obama. Well seems after making the same promise this time they’ve done exactly as I knew they would. They wasted absolutely no time in once again lying threw their teeth again. Just like last time the Republican party has absolutely no intention of helping Obama. Those bunch of pompas arse jerks would rather watch this country go up in flames rather then work with Obama. Suck it up losers. After Obama you’ll have Hillary to deal with. Why would any sane person vote for a party of nothing but liar’s?

josef

December 5th, 2012
7:24 pm

FRED

So…if Perry can do it, is the Wa-do far behind… :-)

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:24 pm

Hmmm. Or was it le plume de ma tant? tante? taunt?

The Republican Civil War Begins

December 5th, 2012
7:26 pm

“Dang it, did I sleep through someone changing the constitution? Don’t senators still have 6 year terms? Wouldn’t she run in 2014 or 2020?”

Mitch McConnell was reelected in 2008 while Rand Paul began serving his first term in 2010. The internet is a useful tool to find out all sorts of information. Avail yourself of this tool before exposing your ignorance.

josef

December 5th, 2012
7:27 pm

Nunna

Repitez… un bon vin blanc! :-)

Tundra Dude

December 5th, 2012
7:27 pm

Eh bien, J’ai dû dire que j’ai eu erreur … ,ça qu’il lui-même ne ferait jamais … donc j’ai fini par être le meilleur homme … ça en valait la peine!

Google translator:
Well, I had to say that I was wrong … that he himself would never … so I ended up being the best man … it was worth it!

stands for decibels

December 5th, 2012
7:27 pm

I’ve heard next to nothing about this whole Ashley Judd for Senator business, but it raises a question.

We don’t think a whole lot about businessmen who choose to run for office. We don’t really raise an eyebrow when some banker or car dealer runs for Senate. But a successful entertainer, for some reason, that raises eyebrows.

How is that entertainer–someone who faces some of the roughest odds-against success and overcomes and succeeds–any less qualified to be a political representative, than some flippin’ banker or car dealer?

I guess I’m still smarting from people who seemed to think that Al Franken somehow wasn’t qualified, even though he was clearly about as much of a policy wonk sorta guy as you could possibly find, who wasn’t already in politics, professionally. (and really, having hosted a radio talk show for several years, he really was.)

/soapbox

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:28 pm

Excuse me for not staying on top of my Kentucky politicians. We all can’t be as wonderful as you Republican Civil War.

stands for decibels

December 5th, 2012
7:29 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:30 pm

dB – Sonny Bono too.

Jay

December 5th, 2012
7:30 pm

Ms. Judd is indeed an attractive actress, but as a political candidate she would be, well, an attractive actress.

pete

December 5th, 2012
7:31 pm

I got the following e-mail from an ex-colleague today. Spin this however you would like.

Hey —–, hope you are doing well. We need to get together for lunch sometime. Anyway…we just lost 12 more folks on Friday. This is getting to be a normal and familiar process around here. Seems odd though…every one of them supported Obama. Wow, voting does have consequences. Folks are yanking off those Obama bumper stickers real fast now. Haha…

Holla back when you can!

Later.

stands for decibels

December 5th, 2012
7:31 pm

Excuse me for not staying on top of my Kentucky politicians

If Ashley gets elected, I’d be willing to stay on top of her for you.

[slapping own wrist.]

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
7:31 pm

stands, well I am sure that our wingnuts would have no problem with Chuck Norris running. They did not have much problem with the Arnold or there was that other actor who worked with a chimp…or the one that spoke to an empty chair

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:31 pm

I bet she’d get a lot of votes from her male constituents.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
7:32 pm

Senator Judd sounds good to me.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:32 pm

dB – I was gonna suggest that myself, but I didn’t know if that would go over very well.

josef

December 5th, 2012
7:33 pm

@ 7:27

“répétez”

Pardonnez-moi, Grand-mère! Je l’écrirai les dix fois ..

:-) .

stands for decibels

December 5th, 2012
7:34 pm

– I was gonna suggest that myself, but I didn’t know if that would go over very well.

Well, that was my quota of stupid, sexist jokes for the week. Why don’t you use yours tomorrow?

think I’ll indulge in some dessert. Might be back in a bit.

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
7:34 pm

“but as a political candidate she would be, well, an attractive actress.”

Did you know that James Earl Jones has a disabling stutter, and that whenever you hear him speaking normally…he’s acting. She can always act her way through being a politician. She couldn’t hardly to worse than the politicians who think they can act…but can’t.

Brosephus™

December 5th, 2012
7:35 pm

If I were a comedian, I could get enough material from this blog to write for a thousand other comedians and never use the same joke twice…

No, the worst thing to happen to the Republican Party in 2012 was holding onto the House. That victory will be their undoing. It will cause major damage to the Republican brand and to Republican party unity. In fact, that victory — not the defeats mentioned above — may very well end up being the catalyst that finally forces a rethinking of the GOP strategy and approach.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In order to “rethink” strategy, the GOP would have to think strategy first. As is obvious from the near perfect robotic regurgitation of their rhetoric over the past 3-4 decades, I think the collective brains of the GOP have been on autopilot for so long, the synapses no longer fire off enough to make thinking possible.

I can see your logic Jay, but your critical mistake is trying to apply logic into a logic-resistant situation. You have to consider that hubris is strong with that group. With them controlling as many state governments as they do, there will be no rethinking at all. If anything, there will be regrouping and retrenching.

josef

December 5th, 2012
7:36 pm

Ronald Ray-gun got to be POTUS and he wasn’t even attractive…

RF

December 5th, 2012
7:37 pm

“or the one that spoke to an empty chair”

I think, ironically, that was a bit of foreshadowing in that wacky performance at the convention. The more some of the far-right talks, the more empty chairs there are around them…

Judd discusses her stance on the hip-hop culture

December 5th, 2012
7:37 pm

Brosephus™

December 5th, 2012
7:38 pm

betty: Good thing the Obama and the dems have a scape goat.

Otherwise they may have to claim responsibility for something…anything.

Has that not been the GOP playbook since 2009? I have yet to hear either party claim responsibility for anything, but they damn sure know how to point out the faults of their opposition.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:38 pm

josef – considering that he was about 3000 years old, he looked ok.

Ronnie Raygun

December 5th, 2012
7:38 pm

If mandatory heath insurance would create $25 pizzas, why did the Papa John’s Romney supporting CEO claim it would only add $.14 to each pizza? Was he really a secret Obama supporter?

josef

December 5th, 2012
7:39 pm

DOGGONE

So did Winston Churchill…and a lot of others…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stutterers

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:40 pm

When 900 years old you are, look as good you will not.

saywhat?

December 5th, 2012
7:41 pm

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
7:00 pm
Keep, “Pappa John’s indicated it would be $0.10 a pizza for them ”

How about backing that up, keep.

——————————————————————–
F. Sinkwich

December 5th, 2012
7:03 pm
“Pappa John’s indicated it would be $0.10 a pizza for them ”

Bwaahahahahahahaha
—————————————————————
Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
7:06 pm
Why sure RB. I was wrong. The guy from PJ claimed 11-14 cents a pizza. Other analysis says less than a nickel. Now be a good chicken little wingnuts and back up your claims or just admit you don’t know what you are ranting about and apologize. I don’t think you have the ability to know the truth or to admit you were completely and absolutely wrong.

Schnatter, a Romney supporter who held a fundraiser for the former Republican nominee, said in August that Obamacare would cost the company between 11 and 14 cents per pizza. Subsequent analysis by Caleb Melby of Forbes found that the price increase would actually be closer 3.4 to 3.6 cents per pie.

—————————————————————-

And RB and stink slink away, with their azzes thoroughly kicked, to go home, lick their wounds, and perhaps creep back when they think everybody has forgotten their total humiliation at the hands of a simple google search, one they were too feeble to make on their own.
Then they will again spout crap they believe in their heart of hearts to be true, about things which they know absolutely nothing about, until once again they are publicly humilitated and the cyle repeats itself. And so it will ever be. Sigh.

RF

December 5th, 2012
7:41 pm

“hubris is strong with that group. With them controlling as many state governments as they do, there will be no rethinking at all. If anything, there will be regrouping and retrenching.”

And that is what will either split the party into two separate entities or relegate what we currently know as the Republican party to a weakened shell of itself. The state level party will continue for a while until they get squeezed out. That’s gonna take a decade, I believe, and only then will what is left of the party be able to regroup and begin rebuilding some political clout.

Brosephus™

December 5th, 2012
7:42 pm

She can always act her way through being a politician. She couldn’t hardly to worse than the politicians who think they can act…but can’t.

AMEN!!!!

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:42 pm

Speaking of stutterers, have any of you ever heard Porky Pig singing “I’ll have a blue, blue Christmas”? Hysterical.

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
7:42 pm

“So did Winston Churchill…and a lot of others”

Yes, I know…but I get pretty annoyed at anyone who seems to think a performer simply CAN’T do anything else, or have any other interests. I have no idea whether she is a good actress or not, but her acting ability is almost certainly NO indication of whether or not she would be good in politics.

Brosephus™

December 5th, 2012
7:43 pm

saywhat?

RB and Sinkwich are immune to humiliation.

Just sayin’

RF

December 5th, 2012
7:43 pm

“Ronald Ray-gun got to be POTUS and he wasn’t even attractive…”

And he swore he never colored his hair. RIIIIIGHT…

F. Sinkwich

December 5th, 2012
7:45 pm

“Those bunch of pompas arse jerks would rather watch this country go up in flames rather then work with Obama. Suck it up losers.”

If O’bozo gets his way, the country does indeed go up in flames.

Thanks for playing.

Brosephus™

December 5th, 2012
7:46 pm

RF

I disagree. When you have a party that prides itself on it’s “conservative Christian values” and overwhelmingly elects politicians like Nathan Deal, they are not going to lose much of anything. There’s probably at least 40% of the electorate in places, like Georgia, that will vote for the Republican candidate if their own parent or child was running as the Democratic opposition. The Republican Party ain’t going anywhere when you have mindless support like that.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:47 pm

Brosephus – when your choices are Deal or Raw-ee, I’m just sayin’

saywhat?

December 5th, 2012
7:48 pm

Brosephus™

December 5th, 2012
7:43 pm
saywhat?

RB and Sinkwich are immune to humiliation.

Just sayin’
—————————————————————
It must be that it requires too much introspection, shame, or a lack of pathologically severe narcissism. Or maybe they are just masochists and get off on the repeated punishment.

josef

December 5th, 2012
7:49 pm

DOGGONE

I agree…

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:52 pm

Come to think of it, either way we get a Raw-ee Deal.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:53 pm

Raw-ee = Roy in southern dialect for you transplanted northerners.

RF

December 5th, 2012
7:54 pm

“The Republican Party ain’t going anywhere when you have mindless support like that.”

You’re probably right about that! I still think there’s not as much cohesion amongst the younger Republicans. They seem more open to letting go of some of the ridiculous far-right morality crap while still being fiscally conservative. I think we may see in the next few years that they will begin something of a push back towards sanity. It will likely take a generation to really work, mind you, but conversations I’ve had with some of the college-age crowd indicates a change could come.

F. Sinkwich

December 5th, 2012
7:54 pm

Five cents a pizza?

Bwaahahahahahahaha

Got a quote from a pizza CEO on that?

Nope.

Loser mooch.

Brosephus™

December 5th, 2012
7:56 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

Roy didn’t run in the GOP primary or runoff.

Just sayin’

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:57 pm

No but he wuz the democrat candidate.

pete

December 5th, 2012
7:57 pm

Yippeeeeee…..we are going over the cliff!!!

Enjoy the ride.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:58 pm

RF – thanks for educating us. I did not realize morality = crap.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
7:59 pm

Sinky: Got a quote from a pizza CEO on that?

You do know who Schnatter is right? I mean you are not that stupid. Oh wait, apparently you are. :lol: :lol:

saywhat?

December 5th, 2012
7:59 pm

Sam Osborne

December 5th, 2012
7:59 pm

Any public servant that thinks they owe more in pledge to a lobbyist like Grover Norquist than they do by oath of office to the people they are elected to serve knows nothing of loyalty of any kind and deserves to suffer the fate of those that allow themselves to be so opportunistically misguided that they forsake their responsibilities in favor of the satisfaction of greedy individuals outside of their constituency.

pete

December 5th, 2012
7:59 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
8:01 pm

Pete, they seem to be doing their dangdest to fulfil the Mayan 12/21 thing.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 5th, 2012
8:03 pm

Bookman’s premise above seems to be that a certain vision of what is inevitable must prevail. And I don’t see the basis for making that assumption necessarily.

pete

December 5th, 2012
8:03 pm

Nunna,

Maybe Assad is a Mayan?

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
8:04 pm

Meh. Who knows?

Brosephus™

December 5th, 2012
8:04 pm

RF

As a 39 year old, I don’t share that optimism. However, don’t let me rain on your parade.

Soothsayer

December 5th, 2012
8:05 pm

Gosh! Now where have I heard that chemical weapons thing before? Hmmmmh . . . it’s right on the tip of my tongue. I know it had something to do with a “dictator.” Where did I hear that? Oh! THAT’S RIGHT! It was EYE-rack! It just seems like we keep sitting through the same movie over and over and over and over . . .

getalife

December 5th, 2012
8:09 pm

Two gop Senators are for taxing the rich so far.

Change.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
8:10 pm

Sooth – but it has more credibility this time because of our democrat administration??

Brosephus™

December 5th, 2012
8:11 pm

No but he wuz the democrat candidate.

So, Deal’s victory is not the fault of Democrats as much as the fault of Republicans, right? Democrats didn’t select Deal as the GOPs candidate of choice. Republicans had two shots at picking someone other than Deal.

The Republican Civil War Begins

December 5th, 2012
8:12 pm

“Got a quote from a pizza CEO on that?”

How about Forbes?

“Update 12/5/12: an earlier version of this story estimated that a fair per pie cost increase to reflect additional expenses due to Obamacare to be 3.4 to 4.6 cents a pie. That was incorrect. The range is 5.6-9.8 cents per pie. This is still absolutely outside the range of proposed pie increases suggested by Schnatter at the time, and, as discussed in the comments, the range gives Schnatter a large benefit-of-the-doubt margin as the estimate assumes all pizzas are sold at specialty prices. In reality, many pizzas sold are at discount or coupon prices, and many pizzas are not specialty pizzas, but in fact cheaper pizzas with fewer toppings. Thanks to Daniel Kirchheimer for noticing the error.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
8:13 pm

Yes, but unfortunately (most of us) only get one vote.

pete

December 5th, 2012
8:14 pm

Correct me if I am wrong here.

So, that guy in DC wants to raise the taxes on the mean old 2%. Some of that 2% COULD be the same folks who offer goods and services that the folks down here in the 98% enjoy and consume. Do you think it is possible that those same 2% will raise their prices that we the 98% have to pay? Just a thought.

Recon 0311 2533

December 5th, 2012
8:16 pm

What we have is an inept president who unlike most of his predecessors can’t lead congress to get together in order to do the peoples business. Rather he withdraws into a campaign posture that he’s much more comfortable with as the country suffers. This man is clearly not a presidential leader and is unfit for his office.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
8:16 pm

More sales tax revenue pete.

josef

December 5th, 2012
8:17 pm

SOOTH

Iraq had them and used them on the Kurds…

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
8:18 pm

Did the whack-a-troll get whacked?

saywhat, from that article…

More broadly and at the risk of oversimplifying, techies are into making products while bankers are into making money. In the age of Obama, where the big money dwells, invention is Democratic; sweet deals are Republican.

Occupy that, cons…

Elections Have Consequences

December 5th, 2012
8:18 pm

Jay, you are correct in one aspect. Without GOP control of the House, this issue would be a non sequitur. Of course, we would see the same spirit of ‘cooperation’ we saw in 2008-2010, and no doubt taxes and spending would be raised across the board.

The real issue is this isn’t about debt. If it was, it would have been dealt with last year. In 2011, however, Obama admitted (which the WH is now trying to walk back) that the adequate amount of revenue could be raised without raising taxes but by closing loopholes, exactly what Boehner is pushing as a narrative. None of this matters, of course, because the real thrust of the exercise is in destroying the opposing party-not addressing the debt and deficit. How it plays out in the longer term will be the real question.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
8:19 pm

Looks to me like our middle eastern brethren are determined to start World War III come hell or high water.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
8:20 pm

The President said he would take this fight to the people and he did.

He is meeting with business leaders and governors.

He is talking to the crybaby on the phone and the crybaby is staying to work on the deal.

That is leadership.

Recon 0311 2533

December 5th, 2012
8:20 pm

We have a serious financial problem in the United States of America and Democrats aren’t the solution, they’re the problem.

Brosephus™

December 5th, 2012
8:21 pm

We get one vote, but that doesn’t automatically equate to that vote being used wisely.

;)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
8:22 pm

Someone is back for their nightly rant and pout about losing an election

getalife

December 5th, 2012
8:23 pm

NBC reports the weapons are ready and they are waiting on the order.

Yikes!

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
8:23 pm

pete

December 5th, 2012
8:24 pm

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 5th, 2012
8:24 pm

any number of things could happen

I have popcorn ready….

Recon 0311 2533

December 5th, 2012
8:25 pm

The so called upcoming fiscal cliff is a kiddie sled ride in comparison to the financial mountain drop off just around our corner.

Jackie

December 5th, 2012
8:26 pm

Many still do not recognize the fact that our Constitution is built on the foundation of each branch of the government, Presidential, Congressional and Judicial are separate, independent and equal in power
The House of Representatives control the pursue strings and the President can only sign in agreement or veto their actions, to which they have the ability to override his veto.

JohnnyReb

December 5th, 2012
8:27 pm

Jay, oh Jay where do you get this BS? Please tell me you rely on talking points from the Left and these thoughts are not yours alone? What a disappointment if you alone think a Republican win will be our undoing.

Contrary to your thoughts, Americans best be glad Republicans control the House. And, we all should be hoping they stick to their guns instead of folding to Obama like a tent.

Anyone with two grey cells to rub together knows Obama holding out for tax rate cuts is pure political. Nothing else. Republicans are willing and have offered to produce the desired revenue through various means other than raising tax rates as doing so would be very bad for the economy. Does Barry accept that? No. He wants the tax cuts, not because there will be any economical difference but because he must, he promised it, he must have it, and he is willing to take the economy into the toilet if not received.

I say let him.

pete

December 5th, 2012
8:27 pm

NBC reports the weapons are ready and they are waiting on the order.

And I am sure that Obama is too. Hahahahahahahahahaha

JohnnyReb

December 5th, 2012
8:29 pm

Well, one can excuse a single error but typing twice that Obama wants tax rates cuts is not excusable. It must be the vodka. Obviously, Obama wants tax rate increases.

guy

December 5th, 2012
8:29 pm

RB from Gwinnett, Finally,someone who tells the truth about the nasty and never satisfied liberals. Thank you!!!!

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
8:29 pm

As mediocre as Obama may be, thank all of the deities in all of the universes in all of the time space continua, that that fraud and sell out Mitt Romney didn’t get the chance to ruin this country like the previous Republican president did.

Mitt was in fact the man who was utterly unfit to lead this great republic and the people could see it and said so at the polls.

Now we just need tt finish what we’ve started and kick the rest of the Uncle Sam hating nutjobs out the door.

Rock on America…

The GOV

December 5th, 2012
8:29 pm

F. Sinkwich,

Thanks for all you did for UGA but you have passed away.

The person that uses your NAME is a scumbag. He uses your name in an attempt to bask in greatness, yet your impersonator is a cruel racist undeserving of your name. You’d think this person would understand but he clearly is a hateful racist and not capable. Do UGA fans sign off on this abuse of a UGA icon?

getalife

December 5th, 2012
8:30 pm

I hope he is bluffing but he is losing.

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
8:30 pm

“to which they have the ability to override his veto.”

It takes more than the ability…it also takes the will

JohnnyReb

December 5th, 2012
8:31 pm

JamVet – you’re sick.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
8:31 pm

You neocons and your predictions are a bookie’s wet dream come true.

How many of you rubes said Romney would win this past election?

Clueless…

The GOV

December 5th, 2012
8:31 pm

“Loser mooch.”

For shame!

JohnnyReb

December 5th, 2012
8:34 pm

JamVet – Obama won because of the ground game, not because there is a majority of misguided citizens believing as you.

moonbat betty

December 5th, 2012
8:34 pm

Jam, where are all these neocons and mc carthies you speak of?

Soothsayer

December 5th, 2012
8:35 pm

“[B]ut it has more credibility this time because of our democrat administration??”

We have an Israeli administration.

“Iraq had them and used them on the Kurds…”

They did? How come they weren’t ever found. Someone used chemical weapons on the Kurds. I wonder who that could have been?

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
8:36 pm

Jay ought to just title every blog “Its the Republicans fault”.

Recon 0311 2533

December 5th, 2012
8:37 pm

JohnnyReb,

The lib numbskulls won’t understand your logic because their leadership tells them not to understand and peer pressure keeps them in line with party politicthink. You know the communist workers paradise which has now been taken a step further under Obama to the non-worker, non-thinker paradise.

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 5th, 2012
8:38 pm

“Those Republicans who took the practical and I would argue patriotic course of doing what was necessary will then engage in some rather heated’
.
Patriotic to pay more taxes?
.
These little Mussolini Eichmanns………are getting scary.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
8:38 pm

filky has no shame gen Gov.

con dna should be studied at UGA because they are missing several normal genes.

In other words, cons have mental issues.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
8:39 pm

gen should be gene.

josef

December 5th, 2012
8:39 pm

I was just listening to a commentator who was saying that Assad may be banking on the fear that the weapons would fall into the hands of the radical extremists as leverage in cutting a deal of some kind of deal…

josef

December 5th, 2012
8:41 pm

SOOTH

Are you denying that Hussein gassed the Kurds?

As for where did the weapons go…to the fellow Ba’thists across the border…?

getalife

December 5th, 2012
8:41 pm

josef,

I heard he was talking to Ecuador, Venezuela and Cuba for asylum.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
8:43 pm

Obama won because of the ground game…

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

And the climate is not warming and Darwin was a nutjob.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Wake up!

Or better yet, stay in your nightmare dream world.

Watching you faux conservatives publicly implode is the most fun that I’ve had in ages…

St Simons - he-ne-ha BOOTAKOOK 2014

December 5th, 2012
8:43 pm

Republicans controlled 54 of 99 state chambers in 2010 (re-drawing yr)
The most ‘creative’ gerrymandering since the 1st Republican Depression

and with that, they only control the House by a narrow 25 seats.
If they lose the House in ‘14, I think we can put a fork in em.

Republican, its what’s for dinner
Republican, the other white meat

josef

December 5th, 2012
8:43 pm

getalife

I had not heard that…interesting.

Heywood…

That Eichmann one is overboard…

Soothsayer

December 5th, 2012
8:44 pm

What if . . . the “rebels” in Syria were just plain old paid mercenaries paid for by the West at Israel’s direction?

What if . . . all the claims of “chemical weapons” were just plain old bullshyte just like they were in Iraq?

What if . . . Syria stands in the way of Israel’s obsession with Iran?

What if . . . Israeli and Western meddling results in a wholesale war with the Russians and Chinese?

What if . . . our country and our politicians weren’t controlled by Israel?

The Republican Civil War Begins

December 5th, 2012
8:44 pm

“JamVet – Obama won because of the ground game, not because there is a majority of misguided citizens believing as you.”

Obama won because Republicans nominated Romney.

pete

December 5th, 2012
8:45 pm

JamVet,

Question for you. Just how bad does the unemployment need to be, and just how high does the deficit need to be before you blame your messiah? Just curious, because neither were as high 4 years ago as they are now, and both are climbing and have been for 4 years.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
8:45 pm

“Without GOP control, it would be the responsibility of majority Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi to provide the politically risky votes for tax hikes and spending cuts that are needed to correct our fiscal course.”

Nancy Pelosi providing the politically risky votes for tax hikes and spending cuts to correct our fiscal course??? Holy shyte that is funny. What in the hell was Jay drinking when he wrote that?

moonbat betty

December 5th, 2012
8:45 pm

Shhhhhhh, Doom

CAT FIGHT!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 5th, 2012
8:46 pm

“WHY THE REPUBLICANS MAY REGRET HOLDING THE HOUSE”

Why the Democrats may regret holding the country ………. OBAMA !

Soothsayer

December 5th, 2012
8:46 pm

“Are you denying that Hussein gassed the Kurds?”

Can you offer definitive proof that Hussein gassed the Kurds?

Heck, anyone could have gassed the Kurds including the CIA.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 5th, 2012
8:47 pm

Headline Politico: “W.H. calls for calm in Egypt”

“As protests continue, the White House declines to take sides in the conflict.”

Well, that’s very interesting. They took sides last time.

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
8:47 pm

“just how high does the deficit need to be before you blame your messiah?”

Jesus caused all that? Who knew?

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
8:47 pm

“What if . . . our country and our politicians weren’t controlled by Israel?”

Come on now Sooth. The Jews control us conspiracy is a particularly nasty one.

Recon 0311 2533

December 5th, 2012
8:48 pm

josef,

I don’t think Assad can cut any kind of a deal because if many of those weapons aren’t already in the hands of people who’re not our friends, there’s nothing preventing them from soon being in their hands. There’s insufficient stability in Syria now to take a chance on where those weapons might end up.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
8:49 pm

pete, a question for you.

Do you always ask sophist questions dripping with logical fallacies?

Obama won because Republicans nominated Romney.

No, no, no, no, no, no. no!!

Their can be no blame for any Republican!

Nor their ideology or message or policies!

The majority of American people are nothing more than stupid, lazy mooches looking for hand outs – THAT is why Mr. Romney and a host of other Republicans got trounced.

Schnort…

getalife

December 5th, 2012
8:49 pm

josef,

He will probably end up in Iran if the rebels don’t get him.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 5th, 2012
8:50 pm

josef:

Your thoughts ??

From: “1493″ by Charles C. Mann

1) According to the author of this book (1493), malaria was one of our “founding fathers”.

The British (as opposed to our men) were so decimated by “Anopheles quadrimaculatus” at Charleston, Kings Mountain and Yorktown that it certainly made the difference in those outcomes.

2) In addition, malaria probably assisted the abolition of slavery much earlier than would have happened as a result of the ‘War Between the United (oxymoron) States of America and the Confederate States of America’.

When Northern troops crossed the Mason-Dixon Line/Plasmodium Zone (starting with Bull Run) they were so decimated (40% or more) that it probably prolonged the war by months if not years.

“Disease killed twice as many Union troops as Confederate bullets or shells.”

“Initially the North proclaimed that its goal was to preserve the nation, not free slaves; with few dissenting votes, Congress promised rebel states that ‘this war is not waged’ for the ‘purpose of overthrowing or interfering with (their) rights or established institutions,’ where
‘established institutions’ was taken to mean slavery. The longer the war ground on, the more willing Washington grew to consider radical measures. Should part of the credit for the Emancipation Proclamation be assigned to malaria? The ideal is not impossible.”

Soothsayer

December 5th, 2012
8:50 pm

My naive, innocent, gullible blogging friends. I love that you accept whatever you hear or see in the government (read Israeli) controlled media. Don’t worry. Never ask questions. It’ll all work out somehow (this is one of my favorites).

getalife

December 5th, 2012
8:52 pm

scout,

Two sides fought face to face today in Egypt..

After the rock and Molotov cocktails were thrown they tossed insults.

All they need is a blog like this one to do that.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
8:52 pm

Rush Limbaugh is an Israeli puppet. Hannity too. kd

Recon 0311 2533

December 5th, 2012
8:52 pm

I think soothsayer gassed the Kurds in concert with Saddam Hussein.

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
8:56 pm

“My naive, innocent, gullible blogging friends”

See, here’s the problem…if you can’t prove that your conspiracy theory is in fact a FACT…then it could EQUALLY be YOU that is “naive, innocent, gullible”

getalife

December 5th, 2012
8:57 pm

saddam admitted gassing the Kurds and said he was bluffing about wmd’s to keep Iran from attacking.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
8:59 pm

Washington (CNN) – In a significant development in the fiscal cliff standoff, Republican Sen. Tom Coburn, a leading deficit hawk, said Wednesday he would support higher tax rates on wealthier Americans as part of a broader deal with President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats to avoid the crisis.

Grover Norquist may have to hire some hit men…

Recon 0311 2533

December 5th, 2012
8:59 pm

getalife, you’re a gas.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
8:59 pm

“Can you offer definitive proof that Hussein gassed the Kurds?”

Sooth do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Everyone knows it was really Hussein’s underling aka “Chemical Ali” who gassed the kurds.

pete

December 5th, 2012
8:59 pm

JamVet,

Give me an example of ’sophist questions dripping with logical fallacies’.

I don’t think you can answer.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
9:00 pm

del,

No, I am a Jew baiter.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:01 pm

Definitely some misunderstandings of the chemical attacks in Iraq on the kurds. Chemical Ali gassed the kurds while Hussein while having gas simply passed the turds.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 5th, 2012
9:03 pm

JamVet: “Grover Norquist may have to hire some hit men…”

Do you think that Grover Norquist’s stock is junk if everyone gets on board with tax rate increases?

I know Jay Bookman seems to think so. But don’t you think all this “apostasy” has been anticipated in advance?

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
9:04 pm

pete, give me an example where I have called Obama my messiah?

I don’t think you can answer.

You are chasing your tail.

Don’t ask stupid questions if you want me to take you seriously.

It’s not that difficult…

Soothsayer

December 5th, 2012
9:05 pm

“In March 1988, the Iranians managed to take the Iraqi Kurdish town of Halabja, near the border. Some of the fiercest fighting of the war ensued in Iraq’s effort to retake it, and Halabja became the site of one of the greatest tragedies of the war. After the fighting stopped, with Iran still in possession of the town, the international press was invited in. Hundreds of people lay dead in the streets, many of them Kurdish women clutching their dead babies, their dark blue lips indicating that they were victims of cyanide gas.

The Iranians condemned Saddam for gassing his own people, and the Kurdish rebels quickly joined in the condemnation, but Saddam denied the charges.

The Pentagon later issued a report that said that although both sides used chemical weapons at Halabja, each apparently believing they were targeting enemy positions, there was no evidence that it was the Iraqis who gassed the Kurds. In fact, Iraq was not believed to have cyanide gas, whereas, it was known that Iran did.

The mayor of Halabja also said he believed it was the Iranians who gassed the Kurds. Although the Pentagon’s findings on the Halabja massacre were reported by the Washington Post, they went largely unnoticed by most Americans. Instead, most U.S. media used the Halabja incident as definite proof that Saddam was a mass murderer.

Later, there was another incident in which the Kurds claimed that Saddam had used chemical weapons. A UN inspection team, however, found bad burns but no evidence of gas.”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
9:07 pm

These poor conned can’t get American politics right or pick the right candidate, but sure, they all be geniuses at middle east politics. :lol: :lol: I am sure there is more info in unskewed Israel

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:07 pm

Recon,

My own theory is that it was indeed the Jews behind the gassing of the kurds. Specifically I’m guessing it was the Jews of the Bookman blog- Jay, josef, and jewcowboy who done it. There’s something ominous and conspirational about them 3. And collectively their acronym is JJJ so I’m sure there’s a secret, insidious hidden meaning in the meaning of JJJ.

pete

December 5th, 2012
9:08 pm

JamVet,

OK, so I will ask again. This is real simple, I know you libturds have a hard time answering simple questions.

Just how bad does the unemployment need to be, and just how high does the deficit need to be before you blame your messiah? Just curious, because neither were as high 4 years ago as they are now, and both are climbing and have been for 4 years.

Soothsayer

December 5th, 2012
9:10 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:10 pm

Saddam denied the charges of gassing the kurds??? Well I know he wouldn’t lie. So that does it. It had to be jay, josef, and jewcowboy.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
9:12 pm

Welcome, I can’t say. And I doubt that lout cares one way or the other. He’s made his fortune brow beating little men in the Republican Party.

What I can say is that Grover Norquist is a blithering trickle down idiot who should never have had the ear of any intelligent law maker. That he did and has had such incredible power over so many in the GOP is testament to their collective lack of moral courage to make the hard choices and to do the right things for the average American family.

But shortly, very shortly it would appear, he will join the ranks of the once inexplicably relevant…

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
9:12 pm

“Just how bad does the unemployment need to be, and just how high does the deficit need to be before you blame your messiah?”

Please explain what Jesus had to do with ANY of that?

Josef

December 5th, 2012
9:16 pm

Scout

I’m on iPad now and will have to get back on that…I can’t keyboard here with enough speed to do much more than drive by..get back with me on that, please. I have some thoughts…

DEL

I would tend to agree with that..i’m not sure, though, that he may not be that out of touch..

Getalife..
That seems to be the most logical..if that word still has any currency

Thulsa

Well, you know what The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” says… :-)

Sooth

Whatever…

Recon 0311 2533

December 5th, 2012
9:18 pm

Doomy,

I think you may be on to something…If you’ve looked at some recent videos of Jay, you can see a look of something sinister. The others you mentioned do indeed raise suspicion.

pete

December 5th, 2012
9:18 pm

JamVet’s silence speaks volumes.

I’m shocked!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
9:19 pm

Doggone, we’re doomed to the nightly Ftroop stupidity and drinking hour. You can’t expect them to make sense or show intelligence. At least RB ran away with his tail between his leg when humiliated before.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
9:21 pm

pete, are you an atheist?

Washington (CNN) — Taxes on the wealthy are going up, House Speaker John Boehner conceded Wednesday in challenging President Barack Obama to sit down with him to hammer out a deal for avoiding the fiscal cliff.

Obama, however, continued to insist on Republicans first ensuring no tax hike for anyone but the top 2% of Americans as a first step toward a broader agreement on tackling the nation’s chronic federal deficits and debt.

The first cracks in the trickle down dam are starting to appear. (Not that thirty years of economic failures for the vast percentage of working Americans is anything to be concerned about.)

Here is to hoping that economic justice is no longer a pipe dream…

Soothsayer

December 5th, 2012
9:21 pm

What if everything that you hear on the TEEVEE is nothing but propaganda devised to shape your opinion about the imperial designs of Israel using the United States as its dupe to accomplish its goals of regional dominance in the Middle East?

Yes, whatever, indeed . . .

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
9:21 pm

“You can’t expect them to make sense or show intelligence”

I don’t…but the non-answers are almost as amusing as the attempts at an answer, if there ever is one.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
9:22 pm

Recon 0311 2533

December 5th, 2012
9:22 pm

Oh well jokes aside…have a pleasant evening y’all.

Lynnie Gal

December 5th, 2012
9:23 pm

I agree with Jay. The Republicans will certainly be held responsible for what happens to the economy now because they held the House and are as intransigent as ever when it comes to holding the economy hostage with the fiscal cliff fiasco and for act two they will hold poor and middle class people hostage over raising the debt ceiling. They will be held responsible for this self-inflicted crisis–because they are. It’s about time.

Fred ™

December 5th, 2012
9:23 pm

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
7:14 pm

“Judd is reportedly considering a run for U.S. Senate in either 2014 or 2016. If she ran in 2014, she would be challenging the top Republican in the upper chamber: Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). If she waited until 2016, though, she would be up against Paul.”

Dang it, did I sleep through someone changing the constitution? Don’t senators still have 6 year terms? Wouldn’t she run in 2014 or 2020?
+++++++++++++++++

Nothing has changed. You just have no clue as to our government, constitution, or theb way things work. Nothing has changed in the Constitution or in your lack of knowledge except your blatant declaration of ignorance here…….. which you will recant or deny later.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:23 pm

Recon,

Yeah. I kinda figured Jay for a Mossad super secret agent. Blogging is his cover.

Soothsayer

December 5th, 2012
9:24 pm

Why do they have the word confessed in quotation marks?

nobodyyouknow

December 5th, 2012
9:25 pm

Watch FOX and its “Obama is pushing us over the financial cliff.” You watch MSNBC and its ” Bohner and his Republicans are causing the President to push the country over the cliff”. Why in the world can’t these hardheads get to gether and settle this thing. After watching both parties and the leaders I’ve come to the conclusion that Mr. Obama is arrogant, hard headed, self rightous. and “my way or no way”. as is Mt Bohner and most Republicans. And my friends we are going to be the ones that pay the price.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:25 pm

Lenin gal rants. And much to no one’s surprise she agrees with Jay. Will wonders never cease?

getalife

December 5th, 2012
9:26 pm

Our President told the crybaby speaker that he invented this “crisis” and he will end this “crises.”

Then he told him to add the debt limit because he is not playing his game.

Bold leadership.

RF

December 5th, 2012
9:27 pm

“The first cracks in the trickle down dam are starting to appear.”

Yep, and the boys in DC are having to use “the finger” they’ve given to Obama for four years to try to plug the leaks…and it’s not working.

OedipusTax

December 5th, 2012
9:27 pm

Only a mediocrity like Jay Bookman could come up with such a preposterous headline. When will the AJC fire this incompetent? Reflects badly on Atlanta. What political party doesn’t want power? Who in their right mind would ever want Pelosi to be seen anyplace else but a hair salon?

Josef

December 5th, 2012
9:27 pm

Thulsa

Don’t forget JamVet…oh, yes, and Jesus… :-)

ODD OWL

December 5th, 2012
9:28 pm

The Republican brand has become old, stale, outdated and antiquated… Its past time they got themselves a new schtick… President Eisenhower had the best quote concerning rasing taxes… “If the congress must raise taxes, they should raise them on the people who have money, the rich people.” Marco Rubio = Cabana Boy…

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
9:28 pm

“Bold leadership.”

Wellll…bold words anyway. We won’t know if it’s leadership until it comes time to act.

Soothsayer

December 5th, 2012
9:28 pm

Let’s review, shall we?

Egypt Arab Spring (Western-supported) democracy freedom fighters — chaos.

Libya Arab Spring (Western-supported) democracy freedom fighters — chaos, murder, mayhem.

Syria Arab Spring (Western-supported) democracy freedom fighters — chaos, murder, mayhem.

It sure seems like the endgame is pretty well defined, huh?

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:30 pm

“Yep, and the boys in DC are having to use “the finger” they’ve given to Obama for four years to try to plug the leaks…and it’s not working.”

Repubs didn’t have much of a finger to give the first 2 years considering the Ds owned both the house and the senate. Or did you forget that?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 5th, 2012
9:32 pm

Wisdom from the bar:

“”We Americans got so tired of being thought of as dumba**es by the rest of the world that we went to the polls this past November and removed all doubt.”

appleseed

December 5th, 2012
9:32 pm

Should all of the blame/credit for the failure of this country,in the last 12 years be laid to Bush-Whacking?Malaria mosquito borne diseases.Bush-Whacking intentional.Had not been for the states north of the MD line the South would have starved long ago.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:33 pm

JamVet was in on it to??? Now I know we have something solid going on here. Jesus must have descended to organize the other 4 what I reckon. The chemical 5. And we know Jam was ex AF. Maybe he flew the CIA super secret B-1 bomber that delivered the payload of sarin gas.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 5th, 2012
9:33 pm

josef:

Roger that.

They BOTH suck

December 5th, 2012
9:34 pm

Scout

Old joke from 00 and 04, but give you a B for effort.

:-)

Dirty Harry Reid

December 5th, 2012
9:34 pm

That’s right…Our Comrade can better run the country because of the mindless drones who look up at us as rock stars!

RF

December 5th, 2012
9:36 pm

“I’ve come to the conclusion that Mr. Obama is arrogant, hard headed, self rightous. and “my way or no way”. as is Mt Bohner and most Republicans”

But after four years of trying to “negotiate” and being given nothing but NO as an answer, no matter what he offered, it is perhaps time for Obama to play the same game Boehner and the boys have been playing. He has to call their bluff now, or the second term ends up as dead-ended as the first. They both know what the polls are showing, and Boehner has to try to play tough for another couple of weeks. I like the fact that the language is strong and the stance firm. Once they understand they have to give in on tax rates, I suspect they’ll find a much more willing audience for discussing spending cuts. But it’s time to force them to bend, at least a little, so that real negotiations on long term changes that could help reduce the debt and deficit can happen. Nothing will until then, and they can whine about how intractable he’s being for now. That’s how the republicans have played it for four years, so it’s time to stand up and play their game.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
9:37 pm

Doomy, nope.

I was in the Battle of Britain.

I went there single and came home single!

Our Comrade can better run the country…

Comrade?

betty, you wanna take this one?

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:37 pm

Scout,

Its kinda funny but worldwide an election ago the West European nations in polls heavily favored Obama being elected in the U.S. And in Asia the populations favored McCain. Imagine that- the deteriorating, debt ridden welfare states of Europe supporting Obama and the fast growth, market oriented Asian economies supporting McCain. Makes sense.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:38 pm

JamVet,

The battle of Britain? I knew you were an old fart. Just not a really old, really stale one.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
9:42 pm

Our President acted by telling the crybaby to clean up his mess.

RF

December 5th, 2012
9:42 pm

“Or did you forget that?”

Nope, but that’s all they did, and bragged about it. They just had more fingers to throw up there after 2010. That was a successful strategy to rally voters for the mid-terms, but it wasn’t exactly a governing strategy and we see how it worked out for them a few weeks ago. The base loves it when you “buck up” to the opposition for a while, but they get tired of that being all you do. Sooner or later you have to get past that, and they never did.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:43 pm

Sooth do have a point @ 9:28 about the chaos in the Middle east he do.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:45 pm

RF, it would be shorter and easier if you just said “Its all the Repubs fault”.

They BOTH suck

December 5th, 2012
9:45 pm

They BOTH suck

December 5th, 2012
9:46 pm

RF

December 5th, 2012
9:47 pm

“it would be shorter and easier if you just said “Its all the Repubs fault”.”

Okay.

It’s all the Repubs fault.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 5th, 2012
9:48 pm

Headline: “Liberal feminist group insists Obama cabinet be half female… ”

Hummmm ………….. is half the feminist group male ?

They BOTH suck

December 5th, 2012
9:48 pm

Thulsa

In my quest to be fair and balanced, I must mention that The Filipinos slightly favored McCain

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111187/Filipinos-Slightly-Favor-McCain-Majority-Preference.aspx

They BOTH suck

December 5th, 2012
9:50 pm

But on the other hand, Gallup did have a few on this blog and many elsewhere thinking Romney was going to win last month, so it must be pointed out that they have been wrong before

:-)

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:51 pm

they both suck,

It was a few years back so I don’t remember the specifics. I just thought it was funny at the time that Asians seemed more amenable to McCain and Europeans much more in support of Obama. I think there is also the perception of people in the rest of the world that an Obama presidency would translate to a weakening of U.S. power. And lets face it. There’s a whole lotta anti-Americanism in the world. Of course they are going to favor a president who in their eyes will sorta lower the U.S. Kinda knock us down a peg or two. And O has most certainly done that.

Liberal Pariah

December 5th, 2012
9:53 pm

Earlier today, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell took to the floor and offered an immediate vote on President Obama’s fiscal cliff plan. Harry Reid quickly objected and shut the whole thing down, labeling the suggestion a “stunt.” Think about that. The President of the United States, a Democrat, crafted a fiscal cliff package that would give him everything he wants. It has tax hikes on the rich. It has huge tax hikes on investments and estates. It has more stimulus spending. It has no meaningful, specific, or guaranteed spending cuts. And it compels Congress to cede control of the debt ceiling to him. This is “fairness” on steroids. The Senate’s top Republican proposed an up-or-down vote on everything the president wants, yet Democrats, who control the upper chamber, instantly blocked it.
The Republicans aren’t wrong, they just aren’t as good at PR as the Democrats. I say if Obama is willing to go off the fiscal cliff to tax the rich, which won’t generate enough revenue to make a difference, I say let him.

They BOTH suck

December 5th, 2012
9:54 pm

Well if you come across it again, post it.

Thanks

Would be great to match it up against Gallup” info that, “lets face it”, slightly differs from what you posted.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 5th, 2012
9:54 pm

Thulsa @ 9:37

I heard this a few days back and posted it. You may have missed it:

“The most reliable conservative ethnic groups and voting blocks in America have always been the Chinese (those who escaped Mao and Communism) and the Cubans (those who escaped Castro and Communism).

However, this past election their children and grandchildren (educated in our government schools) overwhelmingly voted for Barck Hussein Obama.

Dark days ahead ………………….. “

getalife

December 5th, 2012
9:55 pm

Our President told the bankers to clean up their mess and they did.

He told the military to clean up their failed occupations and they did.

Now, he told the gop to clean up this mess and they will.

That is his leadership style.

Clean up your mess like you tell the children to clean up their room.

The adults are in charge.

They BOTH suck

December 5th, 2012
9:55 pm

Thulsa

Those articles I posted are from 08 before the election.

Everyone have a great night and an even better tomorrow.

Peace

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")

December 5th, 2012
9:56 pm

The Republican Party will probably cease to exist (as a viable political entity able to create and implement policy) in the near future, at least at the national level. Conservatives are now 100% certain Party leadership has no stomach for the fight. The Tea Party will, in all likelihood, if it can not control the Republican Party, break away and endeavor to go it alone. Can they do all this in time to save the country? Unlikely.

This last election, while obviously disappointing, provided a massive amount of clarity.

Liberal Pariah

December 5th, 2012
9:57 pm

Your President is an Ivy League thug who has mistaken a narrow victory for a mandate and is trying to shove his class warfare policy down our throats…kinda like how he got Obamacare through. His hate is showing, much like most of Jay’s group here.

They BOTH suck

December 5th, 2012
9:57 pm

Scout

You might want to verify that Chinese information. It is correct with the Cubans in terms of their voting patterns, but you might find some discrepancies in terms of Chinese American voting patterns over the last 30 or 40 yrs.

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
9:58 pm

Keep, seriously? You give me copy and paste from other bloggers for evidence? Wow.

So, if its an 11 to 14 cent increase on a $.90 to $1.20 pizza, I assume you’re good with a 13 to 20% price increase. Tell me though, will there be a pizza subsidy for the “less fortunate” to pay that increase or will they just get hammered at the food trough by EVERY food supplier in the chain? BTW, that estimate only includes the cost increase to the pizza producer and not all their supplier increases they’ll have to pass along.

“Now be a good chicken little wingnuts and back up your claims ”

OK, a $9/hr employee makes $19k per year. “Affordable” insurance can’t be more than 9.5% of that for a family policy, so the employee contribution can’t be more than $150/mo. Unless you can find me a group policy that covers a family for an EE contribution of less than $150/mo, I’m going to conclude you have absolutely no frigging idea what the hell you’re talking about.

Enjoy your $25 pizza, keep. With every bite, I hope you keep in the back of your mind how that $25 price is helping the “less fortunate” APS dropouts get their healthcare for absolutely nothing. In fact, buy 4 this week just to do your patriotic part!!

Liberal Pariah

December 5th, 2012
9:59 pm

True leadership doesn’t hide behind a YouTube video when explaining how Americans were murdered….idiot.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
9:59 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/opinion/09iht-edcohen.1.11819315.html

This is just one. There are several more but they got hung up in the moderator.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 5th, 2012
9:59 pm

“”We Americans got so tired of being thought of as dumba**es by the rest of the world that we went to the polls this past November and removed all doubt.”

Is that joke a retread from 2005?

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
10:00 pm

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/blue-europe–red-asia

Blue Europe. Red Asia. Looks like the decaying Europeans like Obama and the growth oriented Asians like the Rs.

RF

December 5th, 2012
10:01 pm

“Clean up your mess like you tell the children to clean up their room.

The adults are in charge.”

Oh, they’ve got a few more toys to throw and a little fit left in them. As I remember Andy saying to Opie when he tried throwing a fit to get what he wanted, “boy, you’re a sight!” Give them a little while to finish the fit before you think about opening the door…

appleseed

December 5th, 2012
10:01 pm

Obama has certainly knocked down some ego that is.

They BOTH suck

December 5th, 2012
10:02 pm

Thulsa

Post them and I will check them out in the morning. Got to get up early, so I am past bedtime.

FYI: I didn’t see where that first article mentioned McCain.

Did I miss something?

RF

December 5th, 2012
10:02 pm

“Your President is an Ivy League thug who has mistaken a narrow victory for a mandate”

dude, narrow is hanging chads and the SCOTUS deciding the election. 53-47 is a pretty solid win in politics.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
10:03 pm

“Unless you can find me a group policy that covers a family for an EE contribution of less than $150/mo, I’m going to conclude you have absolutely no frigging idea what the hell you’re talking about.”

I’ll go with the “you have absolutely no frigging idea what the hell you are talking about”. Its a recurring theme with tweedledum.

Liberal Pariah

December 5th, 2012
10:03 pm

Obama met with Al Sharpton about tax increases. Now if he could just get Al to pay his taxes…

Liberal Pariah

December 5th, 2012
10:04 pm

What does it say when the Democratice leader won’t let the Senate vote on Obama’s plan? heheheheheeheheheheheheh

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
10:05 pm

RF

December 5th, 2012
10:05 pm

“True leadership doesn’t hide behind a YouTube video”

yeah, that was pretty embarrassing when that doggone 47% video went viral. I guess we found out true leadership is only available to those of the silver spoon set…

Liberal Pariah

December 5th, 2012
10:05 pm

The non idiot part of America kept the House Republican and the country is still as divided as ever. The percentages show that.

RF

December 5th, 2012
10:06 pm

“Obama met with Al Sharpton about tax increases. Now if he could just get Al to pay his taxes…”

LOL :-) Now that’s funny- I don’t care what side of the political aisle you’re on!

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
10:07 pm

“Obama met with Al Sharpton about tax increases.”

Hell he shoulda just met with Homey the clown. I mean really? What’s the difference other than a couple hundred pounds and Homey being a tad brighter?

Liberal Pariah

December 5th, 2012
10:07 pm

I made a Lib laugh…definitely time to go beddy bye. :-)

Have A Nice Evening All

willydoit?

December 5th, 2012
10:08 pm

This is wrestling folks. Boehner and Obama act like they are mortal enemies and neither will give.
What’s that?? A CHAIR…SOMEONE THREW A CHAIR IN THE RING!!
After the match….they both split a six pack behind the curtain.

Never fear Jay…..the Republicans will give in as always….completely spineless…how do they even stand up?

They BOTH suck

December 5th, 2012
10:09 pm

TD

Real quick. Good info. Probably shows that you guys shouldn’t have feel for Gallup’s polls last month. Seems they might have been wrong since at least 08……

And at the end of the day, you know how Asian Americans vote

:-)

Later dude

getalife

December 5th, 2012
10:16 pm

“Is that joke a retread from 2005?”

The Brits wrote how can Americans be so dumb after the reelection of w.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
10:17 pm

Scout,

Yep. That’s the sad part. They’re grandparents know the horrors of socialism and know the joy of economic freedom. And then a couple of generations later they get dumbed down to believing the welfare state and creeping socialism is the way to go. Sad.

Thulsa Doom

December 5th, 2012
10:17 pm

Their not they’re

getalife

December 5th, 2012
10:19 pm

“welfare state and creeping socialism is the way to go. Sad”

Stay the course with that garbage cons..

USA Patriot

December 5th, 2012
10:32 pm

“The Brits wrote how can Americans be so dumb after the reelection of w”

Yep, it’s working real well in Britain trying to stave off Sharia law and all the other “refugees” they took in.

Meanwhile, Iran is echoing the same statement ” how can Americans be so dumb after the reelection of O?”

getalife

December 5th, 2012
10:34 pm

How is Canada’s economy doing?

USA Patriot

December 5th, 2012
10:37 pm

“Oh Canada” has gonads, haven’t seen that since……..’08.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
10:39 pm

Yeah and Canada provides health care for their people like the rest of the civilized countries.

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
10:39 pm

“What’s the difference other than a couple hundred pounds and Homey being a tad brighter?”

I’m sorry , but its not clear from the post. Are we talking about Sharpton or Obama? Not arguing the point either way….just want to know which side of the clown car to laugh at.

ld

December 5th, 2012
10:41 pm

In January, IF the WhiteHouse doesn’t fold, then every Democrat and Republican can truthfully hold a press conference and say that the will of Congress has been met — the Bush tax cuts have expired — just as Congress originally intended.

USA Patriot

December 5th, 2012
10:44 pm

You want healthcare, go to Canada…..then, visit FL about this time of year through MAR/APR and try to get an appointment w/ a doctor. Nope, all Cannucks coming to get “real” healthcare! But, that all stops as of ‘14 with O’care – and FL will be screaming about all of the lost revenue & lib’s will be crying about lost taxes………Puuulllllleeeeezzze!

George P. Burdell

December 5th, 2012
10:46 pm

It is crap articles like this that make me think it is just best for the Republicans to back off of all of it and let the Dems have their way and take ownership of what happens. The Repubs are going to take the hit no matter how it turns out so just let it go and play out. It is sad that this country has such a transparent spending problem, which will only get worse as more age, and yet this discussion has turned into a revenue issue involving at best $160 billion a year before we will even discuss fixing any expenses. I think the Republicans should just stand pat, say its all on you, and let the chips fall where they may.

USA Patriot

December 5th, 2012
10:47 pm

George – agree!

getalife

December 5th, 2012
10:50 pm

george.

That is called check mate.

barking frog

December 5th, 2012
10:54 pm

getalife
the Prez is a tricky man…

USA Patriot

December 5th, 2012
10:59 pm

get – at that point it’ll probably be “check your mate, ’cause who’s gonna pay for our stuff?”

George P. Burdell

December 5th, 2012
11:01 pm

Its not checkmate, rather you blather on about how this and this has done this. Let you guys take the reigns (not that you haven’t already, but just to make it clear) for a little while and see just how truly screwed up everything will end up.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
11:10 pm

By all means cons, give the President what he wants just like you did with w.

I guarantee there will be a better result.

No attacks in our country, no scandals, no collapses and no failed occupations.

You know it

December 5th, 2012
11:17 pm

“I guarantee there will be a better result.”

That’s exactly what they are afraid of happening.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 5th, 2012
11:17 pm

Jim Hussein DeMint is a total putz.

George P. Burdell

December 5th, 2012
11:33 pm

You are delusional. I’m certainly not afraid of a “better result”. Any sensible person would be all for a “better result”. I’m much more fearful that your idiotic ideas will lead to a less promising future for my child. I am raising him better than to expect handouts. That may cost him in the short run, but in the long run it will serve him well.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
11:37 pm

george,

Teach him how w took a surplus, exploded the deficit then collapsed the economy.

You know it

December 5th, 2012
11:53 pm

George

About time you stop being bitter and work to be better

That one letter is a stumbling block for you at this time.

You can do it. Start today

getalife

December 5th, 2012
11:59 pm

Then teach him how President Obama cleaned up w’s mess.

Rabbit

December 6th, 2012
12:11 am

In less than a decade we go from Karl Rove suggesting a permanent Republican majority to an utterly feckless Speaker Boehner presiding over the end of the Republican Party.

George P. Burdell

December 6th, 2012
12:16 am

Thank you for the advice. I’ll raise my kid as I see fit and that includes making sure to make a point when a hustler approaches us at the gas station to point out of why that is not an honorable way of making a living.

getalife

December 6th, 2012
12:32 am

Rabbit,

American politics is the best reality show on television.

seabeau

December 6th, 2012
5:41 am

When a President is elected by people on the Dole,our country is reduced to the level of Imperial Rome whose Emperors doled out bread for the vote!

Jack ®

December 6th, 2012
5:49 am

When Bookman startes saying good things about Pelosi, I think he’s beyond the tipping point. It sounds odd he says. Yes, it certainly does.

Jack ®

December 6th, 2012
5:49 am

JamVet

December 6th, 2012
6:24 am

Pariah’s post at 9:57 may be both the saddest and most humorous one that I’ve seen in a long while.

His neocons got crushed for the third time in the past four elections. And he calls it a narrow victory. Half a dozen or more of his beloved FAR right wing darlings got sent packing.

And his beloved War on the Middle Class is, for the first time in thirty years, starting to get some serious blowback.

Poor pariah, the future looks really ugly for him.

Occupy that.

Georgia

December 6th, 2012
6:34 am

Jays five hundred plus words today included the word “inconceivable”, (he uses that word a lot) , and a tweet challenged repetition of the transitional phrase, “in other words.”. The payoff for his readers came when he predicted that “any number of things could happen”. Then he adds the disclaimer, “I have no idea how…”.
Why write anything at all? What a hapless shrug this piece is. Here. Let me write copy: ” I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens.”

Inconceivable.

Fred ™

December 6th, 2012
6:35 am

seabeau

December 6th, 2012
5:41 am

When a President is elected by people on the Dole,our country is reduced to the level of Imperial Rome whose Emperors doled out bread for the vote!
++++++++++++++++++

Oh the stupid, it burns. Gotta love it when they try to be intellectual. Emperors needing votes? The only “vote” the Emperor needed there puddin’ was control of the Army.

You got your Neal Bootrz mindless rants mixed up. Take notes next time. But hurry up, he’s leaving………….

Joel Edge

December 6th, 2012
6:49 am

Really, Jay. How is it possible that the party with 1/3 control (for four years, no control for the two years before that) over the government is to blame for the current crisis?

Fred ™

December 6th, 2012
6:52 am

Georgia

December 6th, 2012
6:34 am

Jays five hundred plus words today included the word “inconceivable”, (he uses that word a lot) , and a tweet challenged repetition of the transitional phrase, “in other words.”. The payoff for his readers came when he predicted that “any number of things could happen”. Then he adds the disclaimer, “I have no idea how…”.
Why write anything at all? What a hapless shrug this piece is. Here. Let me write copy: ” I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens.”

Inconceivable.
+++++++++++++++

But if Jay didn’t write you would have nothing to criticize him for. As such you wouldn’t have anything to write about since you just btch about what he writes.

He writes, therefore you are……….

Fred ™

December 6th, 2012
6:53 am

Joel Edge

December 6th, 2012
6:49 am

Really, Jay. How is it possible that the party with 1/3 control (for four years, no control for the two years before that) over the government is to blame for the current crisis?
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If you ask a stupid question like that then you are too far gone in the talk radio/FOXBOT brainwashing to hear the answer.

Jay

December 6th, 2012
6:58 am

It is inconceivable that I would have used the phrase “in other words” twice in the same piece. In other words, it bothers me, and I’m going back into the piece to correct that problem.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
7:09 am

GT

December 6th, 2012
7:09 am

It is the sports writer having to play the sport.

You see all through the Republican Party non elected special interest individuals leading, in board daylight, the parade. They storm senators and congressmen offices pushing the constituents of that voting district aside to have the absolute attention of the duly elected. It is a grand strategy of the right, grassroots takeover, but they left one thing out of the recipe. Eventually even the dullest minded and attention deficient voter wants local representation and like the husband who has been sleeping on the couch for months he realizes he just ain’t getting it.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
7:11 am

Jay,
Don’t change a thing. That was/is a great piece.
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Good morning to all y’all. Hope your day will be great.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
7:11 am

Well, Jay, it’s not like you said “on the other hand” twice. Now that is messed up.

nathan's political arsonist

December 6th, 2012
7:12 am

the demise of this bunch of ignorant sociopathic cretins is more fun than watching uga fans fret over football games and their $5million preacher coach

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
7:13 am

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
7:13 am

Don’t change a thing.

Change the part where you say we need to control spending.

Please, with whipped cream and ponies on top.

Fred ™

December 6th, 2012
7:23 am

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
7:13 am

Don’t change a thing.

Change the part where you say we need to control spending.

Please, with whipped cream and ponies on top.
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Yeah. And add something about cute little ponies and fuzzy puppy dogs……..

Mick

December 6th, 2012
7:28 am

Having said that, don’t change a thing, it is what it was…

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
7:40 am

When Bookman startes saying good things about Pelosi, I think he’s beyond the tipping point.

I am going to present the same challenge to this guy, and anyone else who thinks there’s something weird and out-there about Nancy Pelosi, that I presented to our “USMC” (who is posting as Nero or suchlike, I think, these days.)

Tipping point? Really? By this are you saying that Nancy Pelosi’s policy direction is outside of the American mainstream?

Prove it. Show me polling that would indicate a large majority of Americans oppose what she supports. Or what Jay supports.

Go ahead. I will wait. I asked this of our “USMC” many months ago, and he ran and hid EVERY time I brought it up.

So, maybe there’s someout out there willing to do a little digging, who can provide me with examples to counter what I’ve asserted. Which is that no, Nancy Pelosi is not an extremist, she is not especially “left wing” if by that you mean she supports policy decisions that are on balance distasteful to most Americans.

But hey, I’ve been wrong before. Tell me how I’m wrong, here.

Fred ™

December 6th, 2012
7:40 am

Hush up Mick, I’m lobbying for unicorns next but if you won’t let him change a thing……….

Fred ™

December 6th, 2012
7:41 am

jo

December 6th, 2012
7:41 am

The repukes can create fantasies of why they lost or believe only poor leeches voted for obama. Truth. Be told, as a war veteran and a business owner, many of us voted against repuke lies, illegal wars, and radicalism of the type where they will destroy the country just to keep obama from achieving anything positive.

Mick

December 6th, 2012
7:43 am

Pelosi knew how to run the house effectively, the boehner is more interested in finding recess time – big difference…

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
7:48 am

With some of our bloggers, the ability to rely on the other hand is the only thing that allows them to keep posting. They can just keep doin’ that hand jive non-stop. Or something like that. Salute.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
7:52 am

Mick @ 7.43, more germane to this discussion, Pelosi, when dealing with Bush, wasn’t playing chicken with the debt ceiling.

Pelosi tried to get reasonable legislation through–most notably, expansion of SCHIP, which Bush nevertheless vetoed, and the original Lily Ledbetter act (eventually signed into law by Obama, but previously crushed in the Senate in 2008.) She wasn’t threatening to blow up the flippin’ country if she didn’t get her way.

GT

December 6th, 2012
7:53 am

Republicans and humor are about like Truman Capote in a strip joint, Hitler in springtime. Jay points out the dog catching the hub cap and now what scenario, making light of the heavy booted tap dancing that suddenly has caught the stage lights and he gets a writing lesson from the night janitor.

The right is moving furniture; they are telling their audience the food they suggested was life lengthening is now making choirboys of them all. The state of Georgia, home of Newt and Herman, suddenly has confederate money once again in their political treasury as they have sold out for causes not explained very well in the first place. Jay tried to warn you but you were too busy correcting his delivery to realize it was you on fire not him.

Bill Orvis White

December 6th, 2012
7:56 am

WE THE PEOPLE need real conservatives back in the rightful Republican Party. While I love Speaker Boehner, I believe that He needs to be replaced with a serious Tea Party Republican challenger in two years. With a rightful Tea Party speaker in charge, this once-free nation WILL experience a legislative earthquake that will jolt the Hussein Obama “administration” to go along with a proper re-institution of the Bush Tax Cut$, capital gains tax cut$ and much-needed $pending cut$ within Mediraid, Mediscare and Social Insecurity while eradicating the failed illegal ObamaCare bogus health scare “plan.” In the meantime, those common sense ideas could be quickly implemented in these Southern states. This is why I beg anyone on here to ask me about The Southern Coalition of the United States of America. If the Southern states would only band together and put forth my aforementioned ideas along with implementing a culture of life, Judeo-Christian values, regulation relaxation and a regional $ales tax while eliminating state taxe$, We would be a shining beacon for the rest of this once-free nation and the world. Please folks, ask me about The Southern Coalition. While I will be working hard to promote The Southern Coaltion, I will be working hard to help out any person (male or female) who wishes to run as a Tea Party Republican. Amen, Bill

President of the U.S.A.

December 6th, 2012
8:01 am

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Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
8:04 am

Well, I see Bill Orvis White is back in form. Those anti-depressant pills working for you then, Bill, after the election? Good-o! Keep up the good sarcasm. The world needs more laughter… :lol:

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:04 am

Jay tried to warn you but you were too busy correcting his delivery to realize it was you on fire not him.

Joe Metaphor, reporting.

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
8:07 am

Jay, we shall see how this plays out. There’s a lot of hubris on the democrat side right now. Pride precedes the fall.

Downsized crowd likely at Obama's 2nd inauguration

December 6th, 2012
8:07 am

Second inaugurations are generally smaller affairs, and Obama’s January event will likely follow that trend.

11:38PM EST December 2. 2012 – On the day of President Obama’s inauguration four years ago, retired naval officer John Erickson was awakened at 5:30 a.m. by the sound of crowds walking by his Capitol Hill townhouse. The people thronging past Erickson’s windows – filling the sidewalks and spilling into the street — were among the 1.8 million people who watched the nation’s first African-American president take the oath of office, the biggest crowd in the history of the ceremony.
“New Jersey Avenue looked like a massive parade,” Erickson says.
For the second go-round, no one expects quite so many folks.
When Obama again takes the oath of office on Jan. 21, tourism officials expect the crowd on the National Mall in Washington to be closer to 800,000 than the unprecedented number from four years ago.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/12/02/second-obama-inauguration-smaller/1740607/

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
8:08 am

dB

Maybe it’s just because Pelosi was a woman, a Democrat, and in charge.

GT

December 6th, 2012
8:10 am

You know what I love; this little man Boehner has the guts, though not doing anything was suicide, to clean out the Republican Congress which is 11 on a stink scale of 10. The inmates were literally running the asylum, not far off from some of these Mideast countries. The Tea Party suddenly want to be players yet have no interest in the preparation and education it takes to drive the truck we call America. It is all about them, old white males, who are shockingly under informed and educated, but very overdeveloped in selfishness and greed. Good luck with that GOP but could you take the noise outside we are trying to get some serious work done here, thanks.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:10 am

Pelosi was a woman, a Democrat, and in charge

whatever are you implying? Are you saying that such ultimately superficial labels would affect the way a person’s work is regarded?

This is the land of the free. The home of the brave, where a person is judged by the content of their character, no need to legislate any protection for any group of people because we’re all judged equally now. I’m told.

Jay

December 6th, 2012
8:12 am

straitroad, you make a valid point. As I’ve written before, political fortunes ebb and flow, but they usually do so because the losing side is willing to make major adjustments.

Doing more of the same, only more intensely or aggressively, does not usually qualify as a “major adjustment.”

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:12 am

tourism officials expect the crowd on the National Mall in Washington to be closer to 800,000

In a related story, media experts predict that over 800,000 posts claiming those attendees to be “moochers” will go live on the very same day.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:17 am

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:21 am

It is all about them, old white males, who are shockingly under informed and educated

I’m sorely tempted to post “this is my shocked face”.

Mick

December 6th, 2012
8:23 am

bill orvis

Your side had your chance and it was called an election. Now take all your toys ang go home and try again in two/four more years. Your ideology is failing, but there is hope again in america because progressive states like washington and colorado show the future trend of this country – it’s high time!!!

Fred ™

December 6th, 2012
8:23 am

Oops

December 6th, 2012
8:27 am

The fiscal cliff and Republicans problems are Romney’s fault

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:30 am

Fred @ 8.23, naw, not that one–usually someone uses an html-driven emoticon to express the shock, shock…

GT

December 6th, 2012
8:30 am

You want to see a little pride before the fall get a tape of KR melting down on Fox that first Tuesday in November. He was the announcer of the Hindenburg tragedy, the witched witch melting in the Wizard of Oz. The shock and aw was all over his face. What the right doesn’t understand is not all this pride is for us, it is for the millions that are not us who actually count under Obama, fly over country, the guts of this country you pretend to be but you really aren’t. They got tried of your dribble, waving their flag, preaching about their God, as if you had gone into some copyright office and claimed it all as your’s. Learning to share what wasn’t your’s in the first place comes hard but in the end you have this democracy you pretend to love now, and it works very well thank you.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:31 am

Oops, or whatever you’re going to call yourself tomorrow–my challenge @ 7.40 extends to you as well. Give it a go, won’t you?

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:33 am

Please folks, ask me about The Southern Coalition.

Are you going to form an alliance with the People’s Front of Judea?

Welcome to the Occupation

December 6th, 2012
8:33 am

Morning everyone.

So did anyone else awake this morning feeling an odd sense of deja vu over possible new foreign expeditions for our military? Only where ten years ago we had WMDs and Saddam as satan, now we have chemical weapons and “red lines” and Assad.

By the way, has anyone noticed a really eerie absence among our usual suspect targets in all the latest drum beats in the Middle East?

As in, Al Qaeda?

Where are they? I thought they were the ultimate monsters who had to be chased to the end of the earth and destroyed to “keep us safe”. Yet they’ve all but dropped off the radar screen as far as Washington is concerned. Now why would that be? So odd…..

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
8:35 am

dB

I’ll do it for you… :shock:

Are you saying that such ultimately superficial labels would affect the way a person’s work is regarded?

Does a bear sh*t in the woods?

Butch Cassidy (I)

December 6th, 2012
8:36 am

Last night on Hannity when Ann Coulter said that the GOP should just give Obama what he wants in order to have a chance at the 2014 and 2016 elections, I swear I thought Seans head was literally going to explode. LOL :)

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
8:46 am

Butch

I saw that statement made here several times. I seriously hope those were instances of posters thinking for themselves and not another episode of Parrots-R-Us.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:48 am

Where are they? I thought they were the ultimate monsters who had to be chased to the end of the earth and destroyed to “keep us safe”.

So monstrous that we couldn’t possibly try and convict them in a civilian court. Yup.

(and yes, the current Administration gets 100% of the blame for that, today, so you conservadroids can spare me.)

oops

December 6th, 2012
8:48 am

sfd 8:31

A Washington Post writer told me so

hamiltonAZ

December 6th, 2012
8:48 am

“Last night on Hannity when Ann Coulter said…” It’s hard to know whether to be happy or sad that people now watch Hannity for its comedic value.
But, on the subject of the crisis du jour in D.C., the conventional wisdom is that Republicans will wear the cliff jump around their collective necks. Well and good. It is as it should be. But we will all suffer and political victories will be hollow if we continue to experience uncertainty from our leaders. Business big and small stands frozen (and really have since 2010) like a child waiting for a whipping as the next crisis (debt ceiling) looms.
Compromise is possible. For example, the Republicans can save face by agreeing to eliminating the tax cuts on people who earn more than 410K (top 1%). This, along with an agreeable deduction cap could get the deal done. But the President should require the debt ceiling to be settled in the deal.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:51 am

A Washington Post writer told me so

Someone published by the WaPo told you *what*, that Pelosi was “out of the mainsteam”?

Am I supposed to somehow be impressed that you allow your beautiful mind to be corrupted by Kaplan Test Prep the corporatist WaPo?

Butch Cassidy (I)

December 6th, 2012
8:52 am

Bro – “I saw that statement made here several times. I seriously hope those were instances of posters thinking for themselves and not another episode of Parrots-R-Us”

I have to admit that I was a little surprised that Coulter would ever say anything like that. You could tell that Sean was not prepared to have to defend the Republicans against Ann Coulter. However, she made a good point. The Republicans cannot afford to appear that they are willing to raise everyones taxes just to protect the top 2% of income earners. In her own words, “Doing that would kill any possibility of the GOP winning in 2014 or 2016.”

oops

December 6th, 2012
8:53 am

sfd 8:51

They told me that the fiscal cliff was Romney’s fault

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:54 am

the Republicans can save face by agreeing to eliminating the tax cuts on people who earn more than 410K (top 1%). This, along with an agreeable deduction cap could get the deal done.

If that’s all they did–if they left the rest of the freaking expenditures alone and just grabbed some tip money from the wealthiest, AND legislated away the stupid debt-ceiling games-o’-chicken (so that Obama won’t have to mint a trillion dollar platinum coin), I’d regard that as hyooooge.

I would do a Snoopy dance.

Fred ™

December 6th, 2012
8:54 am

oops

December 6th, 2012
8:53 am

sfd 8:51

They told me that the fiscal cliff was Romney’s fault
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Who is this mythical “they.”

The talk radio?FOXBOT stupidity doesn’t play well here in case you haven’t noticed, and you haven’t.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
8:55 am

They told me that the fiscal cliff was Romney’s fault

WTF does that have to do with what I requested of you?

I don’t give a crap about (presumably) some opinion piece you are too flippin’ lazy even to link. For all I know it was Krauthammer posting it.

AU Liberal in ATL

December 6th, 2012
8:56 am

Hard right, rigid ideology, getting in bed with the radical, religious right, bowing to the teabags, drinking the Fox Kool-aide, Cheney-Bush. All factors in the unhinging of the GOP. Some seem to have learned, but they’re a small group. I see the party drowning in a sea of arrogance and down right stupidity. Doesn’t bother me. Good riddance and the sooner the better.

JKL2

December 6th, 2012
8:57 am

-But this is what happens when an inflexible, idealistic mantra perfectly suited for a party in opposition is actually implemented by a party that has power.

Democrats say,”What?”

I guess you’ve been sleeping the last four years (or playing golf with our president).

Fred ™

December 6th, 2012
8:58 am

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:00 am

JKL2, if you want examples of Democratic flexibility I’ll give them to you.

Shall we start with the Affordable Care Act? Remember this thing called the Public Option?

Oops

December 6th, 2012
9:01 am

Sfd

Why are you bringing up Pelosi when I was noting that the fiscal cliff is Romney’s fault?

Fred. I noted it is from the Washington post. Which is not Fox. Try reading sometime.

alex

December 6th, 2012
9:01 am

Jay, one of the most adolescent, non intellectual articles you have ever written, of course it is opinion, but will play only to the worst of your syncophants. Below you, I think-mabye not, your recent thoughts have been devoid of significant intellectual discussion, Just, the same partisan rubbish that is pulling at every idealogue-disappointing. Lot’s going on with specific questions about taxes and deficeits that could be discussed….

GT

December 6th, 2012
9:05 am

Saddam was a public lynching, the lynching that was supposed to celebrate a democratic spring in the Mideast. Here was the Hitler of single A ball whose radio signal stopped doors down from the tower, found in a rat hole by bounty hunters and dogs, given the justice of a south Georgia county speed trap and then turned over to a mob like Pontus Pilot washing his hands of the whole mess, so conveniently. And as Bush slept in the White House his war trophy hung from some barn in the middle of the night.

The next day a car bomb blew up and till this day we have found no weapons of mass destruction. Stay tune for developing events.

Enslaved Children Freed After Being Forced to Make Christmas decorations

December 6th, 2012
9:06 am

Police and child advocates broke padlocks and busted down doors in a surprise raid of a sweatshop in India, only to find a group of children imprisoned who had been forced to make Christmas decorations.
The children, as young as 8 years old, were kept in rooms approximately six feet by six feet and had been forced to work up to 19-hour days making the decorations, which advocates believe may have been intended to be sold on the cheap in the United States.

Human rights group Global March for Children led the raid, but also got help from former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who now serves as the United Nations special envoy for global education.

The 14 children who were freed are now in the process of being reunited with their families, who are scattered across India.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/newsmakers/enslaved-children-freed-after-being-forced-to-make-christmas-decorations-potentially-headed-for-us-194625049.html

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
9:06 am

Some of Jay’s more ardent critics should show us all examples, from their own repertoire, of the perfect opinion pieces. Show us what you got, tools.

Oops

December 6th, 2012
9:09 am

Enslaved

Christianity is evil

Paul

December 6th, 2012
9:10 am

TaxPayer

I don’t think people like alex object to the pieces as being poorly written. I think they object because it directly challenges their cherished view of reality and they absolutely cannot refute it.

As far as an on-topic post: another example of Republicans failing at long-term strategic thinking and adjusting to new realities. If they were in the military, they’d still be advocating for more armor units to be deployed to Afghanistan.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 6th, 2012
9:13 am

The things Obama is doing abroad (and not just abroad) are going to eventually make Bush’s crimes look almost tame by comparison.

Just a thought.

GT

December 6th, 2012
9:14 am

This is like those polls the right kept trying to kick under a rug. The facts kill these guys and they try to deodorize them with the word opinion, as if there was an interpretation value to these facts. The only person you fool is yourself. Jay does need your endorsement to tell you Obama would win the election, the Republicans are bleeding to death and America is getting sick of their immaturity. Yet you continue, like a widow expecting her dead husband to walk through that door any second. Don’t let the facts get in your way, this is all made for you listening enjoyment.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:16 am

but will play only to the worst of your syncophants.

Alex, I’d say us “synchophants” had a decidedly mixed reaction to this, actually.

DannyX

December 6th, 2012
9:17 am

Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney.

Republicans definitely didn’t want the White House.

JamVet

December 6th, 2012
9:18 am

Jay, I recommend using i.e.

It confuses the cons; they wonder what Internet Explorer has to do with it…

barking frog

December 6th, 2012
9:18 am

alex
the synchophants are here on Friday nights…

JamVet

December 6th, 2012
9:22 am

…Bush’s crimes look almost tame by comparison.

Two words – enhanced interrogation.

At least George Jr. ended that disgrace…

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:23 am

bf @ 9.18:

Chicolini: Now I aska you one. What has a trunk, but no key, weighs 2,000 pounds and lives in a circus?

Prosecutor: That’s irrelevant.

Chicolini: Irrelephant? Hey, that’sa that answer. There’s a whole lot of irrelephants in the circus.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
9:25 am

Fred ™ , Db,
Sorry to get into the shocked face show and tell late, but work will really cut into your blog time… ;)
anyway, here’s my entry…

http://cheezburger.com/6103106304

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
9:25 am

Jay, why do you think Harry Reid denied a vote on the president’s proposal? My guess is that Reid knows it isn’t a serious proposal and would be voted down by the Senate democrat majority.

barking frog

December 6th, 2012
9:27 am

sfd
and irrelephants symbolize irrelepublicans…

Welcome to the Occupation

December 6th, 2012
9:28 am

JamVet, it’s true. I agree, on that point at least.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

December 6th, 2012
9:30 am

The GOP , FOX news and the Tea Party are going to seceed to Mexico.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

December 6th, 2012
9:30 am

Boner is out and Pancho Villa is in..

tom gambeski

December 6th, 2012
9:31 am

We are 16 trillion in debt, 23 million looking for work ,GNP a dismal 1.5 ,at best ,and still no sign that Obama understands,or is he willing to understand,what made us the richest most powerful nation in history,Capitalism.
Add the main stream media’s collective ignorance on economics and a blind support of Obama’s failed policies you can easily understand why we are facing a fiscal cliff.
failed policies

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:31 am

Harry Reid denied a vote on the president’s proposal

Before you regurgitate talking points fed to you by–let’s be diplomatic, and call them “flaming a-holes”, you might want to actually look up what happened.

McConnel was attempting to force a vote on an amendment to a Russian trade bill.

Is that really how you think such things should be legislated, straitroad?

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
9:31 am

barking frog

December 6th, 2012
9:27 am

:lol: :lol:

Woodstock Mike

December 6th, 2012
9:34 am

Wow, you guys are completely brainwashed. You wouldn’t blame Obama for anything no matter if he did it right in front of you. Obama is lucky to have people so dumb like yourselves. It’s astonishing.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:36 am

TaxPayer: Some of Jay’s more ardent critics should show us all examples, from their own repertoire, of the perfect opinion pieces.

That would require them to think and form words on their own without relying on someone else to do that for them. I seriously doubt that will happen anytime soon.

Butch Cassidy (I)

December 6th, 2012
9:36 am

Woodstock – “Obama is lucky to have people so dumb like yourselves.”

Yes, too bad Romney couldn’t get more of them. Perhaps he would have won.

Robert

December 6th, 2012
9:36 am

The American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christians, Muslims & Jews, etc.) have spoken loud and clear. President Obama was elected with another landslide victory in 2012.

The homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.) were beaten soundly and are no longer a threat to the American People. Thank you God.

The “tea party” weapons of choice are hatred, fear and rage/mob mentality against the American People. The whole world saw their hatred and bigotry on display during the 2010 midterm elections and heard their call to battle (take back my country) as well as saw the majority of poor, uneducated, disenfranshised White Americans embrace the “tea party” as a protest vote against the American People for electing the first Black American President of the USA.

The GOP must get rid of all the extremist who have held the American People hostage over the past 4 years and recruit “moderate” candidates with the goal of retaining as many seats as possible in both the House and Senate as well as create a winning strategy to re-capture the White House that includes all the American People if the GOP wants to be considered a serious political party in the 2014 midterm elections or the 2016 race for the White House.

The American People

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
9:37 am

Republicans need to listen to the few bits of sanity being expressed by their own:

Bobby Jindal: “At present, any reading of the headlines over the past week indicates that Republicans are fighting to protect the rich and cut benefits for seniors. It may be possible to have worse political positioning than that, but I’m not sure how.”

Then again perhaps Republicans should show Jindal just how they can do even worse.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:37 am

I fully expect, by the way, this “Senate blocks vote on Teh Preznit’s Proposal” nonsense to be fruitful and multiply among the winger faithful, as they dutifully repeated the nonsense about the “President’s Budget Voted Down 414-0, or 97-0, depending on what you were looking at at the time” of yore.

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
9:38 am

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:31 am

No, it wouldn’t be my preference, but that’s the case with much that takes place in Washington. The point is that this president proposes many ideas that his own party doesn’t support, such as his own budgets. By the way, I’m not sure what you meant by the “flaming a-holes” reference.

Butch Cassidy (I)

December 6th, 2012
9:38 am

Taxpayer – “Bobby Jindal: “At present, any reading of the headlines over the past week indicates that Republicans are fighting to protect the rich and cut benefits for seniors. It may be possible to have worse political positioning than that, but I’m not sure how.”

You better share that with Woodstock Mike, I’m not sure he’s aware of the “brainwashed” members of his own party.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:38 am

Fred @ 8:58

Why let Snoopy have all the fun by himself????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sKrwsHweGc

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:39 am

You wouldn’t blame Obama for anything no matter if he did it right in front of you.

read much, Woodstock?

alex

December 6th, 2012
9:40 am

Good i got a response, : it apears to me that this blog is a small cohort of people mostly left wing Dems and a small number of right wing Repubs who never change their ideas , don’t ask questions, always ready with a “smart” remark and just write at each other with their own opinions without listening or interrogating other opinions.In the last few days I asked about corporate taxes and the recent chart and never did I get a response from jay and one of you remarked that “ggogle is my friend”. Now, is that intellectual discorse, in my opinion -NO.Frankly , it appears that this is the sort of place where most people come to be reassured that their opinion is completely correct and thatchallenging it should be met with derision. That is not the way to learn or discuss. Some of you may remember ME attacking me for a offensive manner, I disagree with her, but I took her thoughts in and have tried to depersonalize my disagreements., not always successful. May I suggest that all of you, right and left do the same. Hearing the same diatribes againy and agaain is BORING, we can do better. I have listened to Jamie Dupree-neither left or right, helpful information, not a bad standard.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:41 am

By the way, I’m not sure what you meant by the “flaming a-holes” reference.

Guys like the one I linked. Guys who “report” these bits of parliamentary bullsh-t as if they were serious legislative efforts.

Oscar

December 6th, 2012
9:41 am

The point is that this president proposes many ideas that his own party doesn’t support, such as his own budgets.
___

That’s the way our system works as opposed to a parlimentary system.
The president is elected by the voters. Senate and House members by separate elections.
We don’t have a parlimentary system where the prime minister has to maintain a majority that supports him.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:42 am

The point is that this president proposes many ideas that his own party doesn’t support, such as his own budgets.

Posted one minute after your post, dB…. For your next trick, can you give me the MegaMillions numbers?

:)

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
9:43 am

I’m seeing a surge in Washington state tourism. Many, many long-haired freaky people. It must be the climate.

DannyX

December 6th, 2012
9:44 am

“Now, is that intellectual discorse, in my opinion -NO.Frankly”

This coming from the king of “they do it too” replies?

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:45 am

read much, Woodstock?

No. THBAEOSATSQ

Mick

December 6th, 2012
9:46 am

woodstock

On your side of the coin, you refuse to believe that it was the previous president who started us up to the fiscal cliff. I don’t recall one political discussion about the debt or deficits during his term, where was the mighty iced tea party? It’s kind of like run up the bill and leave it for the next guy to handle, then complain about the bill, that’s what we are talking about…

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
9:48 am

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:42 am

I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
9:49 am

Corporate taxes are at historic lows and Republicans continue to claim that corporations are still over-taxed. What more of relevance is there to “know” with regard to corporate taxation.

indigo

December 6th, 2012
9:50 am

Jay, Republicans do not do “regrets”.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:51 am

The point is that this president proposes many ideas that his own party doesn’t support, such as his own budgets.

I get the point you’re making, but I think “his own party doesn’t support” isn’t exactly true. I’m sure ifyou polled the Congrefsfolk you’d get a pretty good consensus on what Obama’s asking for.

It’s just that–as you correctly point out as well–the Executive branch isn’t like a PM in England. There’s a distinct separation of powers. It would be somewhat unseemly for Obama to dictate to them like that, without even any proper debate.

Stunts that the oppo party manage to force a vote on such things may provide a bit of fodder for campaign commercials down the road (and yes, of course such things happen on both sides, depending on circumstances), but people who follow this stuff closely shouldn’t be fooled.

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
9:52 am

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
9:49 am

Corporations aren’t over-taxed because any tax liability they have is costed into the product and passed on to the consumer who pays the tax. The small business folks are bearing the brunt of over regulation in this country.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
9:54 am

Washington State also has a new State Song…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4YpqRPLIWc

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:54 am

I gotta pick this nit:

16 trillion in debt, 23 million looking for work

Can someone tell me what those two impressive sounding numbers have to do with one another?

anyone?

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:55 am

straitroad

I was referring to this sequential set of posts…


stands for decibels
December 6th, 2012
9:37 am

I fully expect, by the way, this “Senate blocks vote on Teh Preznit’s Proposal” nonsense to be fruitful and multiply among the winger faithful, as they dutifully repeated the nonsense about the “President’s Budget Voted Down 414-0, or 97-0, depending on what you were looking at at the time” of yore.

————————-

straitroad
December 6th, 2012
9:38 am

stands for decibels
December 6th, 2012
9:31 am

No, it wouldn’t be my preference, but that’s the case with much that takes place in Washington. The point is that this president proposes many ideas that his own party doesn’t support, such as his own budgets.

You dutifully repeated the statement about the “Obama” budgets that were not actually his budgets but were instead, political stunts written by GOP Senators for the sake of Political Kabuki Theatre. Seems as though you’re a season ticket holder to the theatre as you’re here defending their most recent production.

Oops

December 6th, 2012
9:55 am

“Corporate taxes are at historic lows”

Four pinocchios

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
9:56 am

Stands, if you missed it, Stewart had a great segment on the GOP’s shameful crazy regarding the UN treaty.

MANGLER

December 6th, 2012
9:59 am

I learned pretty early in my social life (think grade school) that any time anyone draws a line in the sand, be it figuratively or literally, they end up losing. You can’t be completely rigid when dealing with another person, let alone 435 + 100 + 314 million on top of all that. Any time you build a wall, it eventually gets knocked down because it has to.

Goldie

December 6th, 2012
10:00 am

And the GOP in the Senate would not even ratify the disabilities treaty this week — this is how terribly dysfunctional that Party is today, a bunch of extremist wingnuts! May they go the way of the Dodo bird this year!

:)

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
10:01 am

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:55 am

Bro, don’t take this the wrong way, but I’m not going to debate this with you. You seem to get very emotional when responding to posts by those who disagree with you and resort to childish attacks. It’s a waste of time.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:01 am

KUTGF @ 9.56, regrettably, I hardly ever get to indulge myself in the NYSE COO’s brother’s comedy skit show these days, so I missed it. Is this skit worth looking up?

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:02 am

straitroad

What is there to debate? Stands brought up a point, and you kicked the extra point in the very next post. I find it quite amusing to say the least… predictable, but amusing anyway.

:lol:

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:05 am

You seem to get very emotional when responding to posts by those who disagree with you and resort to childish attacks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE50BPPvzEs#t=00m28s

Oops

December 6th, 2012
10:05 am

Sfd

More debt causes more unemployment

Oops

December 6th, 2012
10:07 am

Btw

Republicans would much prefer holding the House to the alternative

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:08 am

My apologies to anybody who found my 10:05 post to be very emotional and childish…

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:08 am

More debt causes more unemployment

ha ha ha.

you are funny.

barking frog

December 6th, 2012
10:08 am

Oops
More debt causes more unemployment
……………………………………….
Do you quit your job each time you get a loan ?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
10:09 am

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
10:12 am

Children have Blues Clues while this blog gets Oops Poops. We got the short end of that schtick.

independent thinker

December 6th, 2012
10:13 am

Jay- You and the media are hung up on the sensational issue of tax hikes and entitlement reform as they are played out in the daily talking points. This is a small piece of the puzzle and just media fodder.
There are entitlement reforms and tax reforms going into effect January 1 regardless of the current stalemate. For example Medicare payments by those earning over $200,000 go up from 1.45 to 2.43% to help cover Bush’s Medicare part D unfunded give away of free drugs.
Besides raising taxes and cutting entitlements, there are tax changes going in effect Jan. 1 that seriously effect our government revenues and entitlement funding.Why are these not being reported?

Today’s NY Times reports that for the first time since Clinton was president , Apple will start manufacturing products in the US. Currently Apple provides 700,000 jobs overseas. They no longer can handle investigations of labor conditions in China. This has been a top priority for Obama and is one issue where he held the moral high ground over one of the champions of outsourcing. (How is that Delphi stock doing Mr. Romney?) How many times have the GOP in the Senate fillibustered jobs bills to end tax credits for offshoring and outsourcing vs. credits for companies insourcing and bringing jobs back??? Why is this not a key part of the discussion?

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:14 am

You can’t be completely rigid when dealing with another person, let alone 435 + 100 + 314 million on top of all that.

That last number reminds me of somthing.

Anyone here ever bother to do the math on what 16 ZOMG TRILLION WITH A T! comes to, in terms of overall debt, distributed among 314 million Americans?

If so, can you tell me what is especially scary/horrible/crippling/MUST-DO-SOMETHING-NOW-ish about what amounts to, on paper, a $51K mortgage per citizen, being repaid at basically zero interest ?

Is there some compelling reason that I should say anything but “And? Point Being? So what?” next time I hear someone drop “16 Trillion” as if that’s supposed to be some discussion-stopper?

Put yet another way–if you needed to take on a bit larger mortgage in order to build something you needed–like, say, a nation worth a damn that provided jobs for all of its citizens willing to work–wouldn’t you do it?

sheesh, people. Stop wetting yourself whenever Pete Peterson gives the command, will ya? Have at least a little self-respect.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:15 am

oops. I was irrationally emboldened. meant to close it after “mortgage.”

Bad html. Bad!

Oops

December 6th, 2012
10:15 am

Frog

Highly levered companies go out of business

Highly levered countries can’t afford the investments necessary to help their economy grow and add jobs

More debt causes more unemployment

alex

December 6th, 2012
10:15 am

@ oops, 4 pinochios… several days ago I asked for a discussion regarding the componenets of corporate taxes, I am not in this field of accounting, please tell us a bit about corporate taxes such as what they pay a tax on if a privately or publicly held company, what is this about a “double tax”. What % is payed, does this compare to other countires and are they comparable….Thanks, look forward to learn more…

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:16 am

I am a Stewart fan.

I am too. I was trotting out his brainy lineage for the benefit of those who might not be.

St Simons

December 6th, 2012
10:17 am

A poor working Georgia fisherman, quoted as close as I can get it –

“Republicans say I voted fer mr. Obama ’cause of free stuff –
give a man a fish & you feed him fer a day,
teach a man to fish & you feed him for a lifetime, and all that.
Society is built on personal responsibility & opportunity.
Then the Republicans slash fishing education,
vilify teachers of fishing,
reward corporate fisheries,
gut regulations on protecting fish,
let em hide all the money they cut me out of (offshore).
Hell, i can’t even get a job with em ’cause you cain’t live on those wages.
And when I have a problem with that,
they call ME a socialist.
THAT’s why I voted fer mr Obama.”

out of the mouths of babes…
yep, about 2-3 more weeks, the calendar’s right.
Republican, the other white meat.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:17 am

Highly levered companies go out of business

Japan’s debt as GDP percentage is more than double ours. Are they going out of business?

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:19 am

Hey, oops, to your specific, and wrong-as-it-could be point–Japan’s unemployment is… well look it up:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/unemployment-rate

how can that be? ZOMG they have all this DEBT!

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
10:20 am

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:14 am

Stands, the debt trajectory needs to be reversed. And the debt isn’t spread over 314 million because some aren’t able to contribute and some will always live off of the rest of us.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:21 am

dB @ 10:14

Be careful with those kinds of responses, lest ye be labeled very emotional and childish like your’s truly. Seems that the conservatives on this blog don’t like to debate with people who return fire on the sh*t starters here. :)

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:23 am

Stands, the debt trajectory needs to be reversed.

I could go for “leveled, over a reasonable period of time, once we’ve got America back to work.”

Of course. But the notion that we have to move heaven and earth so that we can begin paying down the debt in short order is fiscal lunacy.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:23 am

and straitroad, if you actually meant the deficit trajectory, it IS being reversed, already.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:26 am

Hey oops, while I am axin’ questions–can those companies you’re referring to issue their own currency? Currency that is regarded as the standard by which all other currencies are judged? Currency that is backed up not just with full faith and credit but the scariest freaking military-industrial-complex that’ll drone you for looking at it funny, and invade given half a chance?

No?

then can you see how your “highly leveraged company” analogy is–how to put this delicately–utter bullsh-t?

Oops

December 6th, 2012
10:27 am

Alex

We have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world

When corporates pay “lower” cash taxes in any given year, they are not really paying a lower tax rate. Instead they are deferring taxes and will still have to pay those taxes later. They usually get a tax deferral benefit because of an incentive provided by the government to do something the government wants them to do. Such as investing in solar power. Or new equipment.

So lower current taxes are the result of government policies and incentives. But the companies will all still pay 35% total. They just may pay a small amount now and much more later.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:28 am

ugh. this time-suck absolutely *must* be left in order to produce.

I’ll check in later to see if Jay’s got anything new to chew on.

/drive-by

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:29 am

For those who wonder why more and more people are going on food stamps and other public assistance programs, has anybody stopped to consider the role big business plays?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/olive-garden-owner-hold-off-200230971.html

NEW YORK (AP) — The owner of Olive Garden and Red Lobster says it won’t bump any full-time workers down to part-time status, after its tests aimed at limiting health care costs resulted in a publicity backlash that took a bite out of sales.

At the same time, Darden Restaurants Inc. isn’t ruling out relying more heavily on part-timers over the long haul.

[...]

Last year, for example, the company put workers on a “tip sharing” program, meaning waiters and waitresses share their tips with busboys, bartenders and other employees. This allows Darden to pay more workers a far lower “tip credit wage,” rather than the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour.

Well, when more people work part time instead of full time and they make less money, they can’t afford to live anywhere that has a solid roof overhead other than bridges and such.

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
10:31 am

“Oops

December 6th, 2012
9:09 am
Enslaved

Christianity is evil”

People enslave children in a country that is 80% Hindu, less than 3% Christian, and your conclusion is that Christianity is evil???? Care to share your reasoning behind that with us?

Independent voter

December 6th, 2012
10:32 am

Jay, get a real job… too many people on here ALL DAY….. how can this be ??? no jobs… no LIFE?????? collecting disability, umemployment, food stamps ???? whose paying the taxes they want to spend ??????

St Simons

December 6th, 2012
10:36 am

Bro – no sweat mon. The credibility of the ‘label’ is proportional

to the credibiliteh of the label-er – zee-ro.

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:36 am

Off the fiscal cliff we go! The republicans should confront Obama and let him know it takes two sides to negotiate. I will lose money out of my paycheck but to stymy the advancement of communism in our country is worth it. Besides, shouldnt you progressive liberals/atheists be attacking Christmas by now.

Oops

December 6th, 2012
10:38 am

Rb 10:31

Sarcasm

The original post I was responding to was stupid

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:38 am

“Well, when more people work part time instead of full time and they make less money, they can’t afford to live anywhere that has a solid roof overhead other than bridges and such.”

The reason for that is Obamacare, did you get the memo?

Bill Orvis White

December 6th, 2012
10:39 am

@Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech…and earned it!
Ask me about The Southern Coalition, I dare you.

The fact is that there are many bright lights within the rightful Republican Party. From Herman Cain to the honorable Senator Rubio and back over to the honorable Rep. Ryan, WE will capture both the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate in just two years. At that point, WE will have already started impeachment proceedings against this illegitimate “president” who has engaged in numerous un-American activities including and not limited to: an anti-life agenda, pro-gay agenda, anti-businessism, taxism, regulationism, anti-colonialism and anti-Judeo-Christian policies. With those shining stars in the rightful Republican Party, WE WILL take back our country and rightfully elect a real leader who WILL NOT bring us over a fiscal cliff and add more dollars to the debt. Does anyone realize that we have $20T in new ObamaDebt? Our great grandchildren will be paying off ObamaDebt while celebrating Ramadan in the schools and speaking Arabic due to this weak-kneed so-called “leader.”
Amen,
Bill

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
10:39 am

Bro, oh I am all for the tip wage….. I think it ought to go right up through the CEO. Let them work for tips and let the consumer decide how much each group should be tipped. ;)

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
10:39 am

“Well, when more people work part time instead of full time and they make less money, they can’t afford to live anywhere that has a solid roof overhead other than bridges and such.”

And your President’s healthcare plan is forcing employers to do exactly that. Congratulations liberal! You’re getting exactly the unintended consequences you were warned about but were too stupid to see coming from 10 feet in front of you.

Again!

I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it again…The poor are going to get HAMMERED. And it’s your fault.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
10:40 am

Oh RB came back after running away last night humilated. You find any evidence yet for your $25 pizza?

alittlecommonsense

December 6th, 2012
10:40 am

I almost spewed my mouthfull of coffee when I read Nancy Pelosi and spending cuts in the same sentence. Good one Jay!

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:41 am

I saw Fox news last night asking citizens what is the fiscal cliff and only one knew. I said early those on the north east and west coast are morons. But they show up to vote. LOL, the north is so sad.

Erwin's cat

December 6th, 2012
10:42 am

Bro @10:29
That will continue if not get worse until unemployment is around 4%…Supply and demand

I remember during the dot com bubble, companies were offering BMW’s as a “signing bonus” to get prospective talent.

alex

December 6th, 2012
10:43 am

@oops, do companies pay a tax on the “profit” they generate That is then given to the stockholder in the form of a dividend, which the stockholder also pays a tax on, sounds dumb to me , but I keep hearing about a double tax..

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
10:45 am

Bill O. White!!!

That is rich! How do you come up with that stuff? You are a genius at sarcasm! Keep it up, please!

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
10:46 am

Where are all the Democrat owned/run businesses where the CEO/Owner only make a little more than the front line employees because they’re so generous? Anybody heard from any of them or a job opening there where people can make more than this “living wage” for menial work?

I would conclude there either aren’t any democrats who run/own businesses or the ones who do aren’t as generous as the media and you Bookmanites would have us believe.

Anybody got anything to prove me wrong?

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
10:46 am

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:23 am

No, I meant debt.

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:50 am

How much money is Obama spending on his holiday in Hawaii while those poor moron in NJ have not shelter from the cold. How much money will Obama borrow to keep this huge federal budget going. The federal employees make two to three times the salary of state employees. Why? The state employees pay the salaries of both. The federal budget must be addressed and federal employees positions terminated. Do you know the number of federal jobs should be state or private jobs.

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
10:54 am

“Oh RB came back after running away last night humilated. You find any evidence yet for your $25 pizza?”

Ummmm, wouldn’t I have to wait until the law kicks in to see the costs being passed on to you, Keep? Unlike the law itself, I don’t think any pizza makers will start charging you more today, but if it makes you feel better to think they’ll just eat the additional costs and not pass them on to you, you go right ahead.

Hey, do you think they’ll pass on the increased cost of all of their supplies too as their suppliers all increase their prices to cover their employee fines or do you think they’ll eat those cost increases too?

Pretty clear you’ve never run a business and aren’t thinking this stuff through, Keep.

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:55 am

“Then the Republicans slash fishing education,
vilify teachers of fishing,
reward corporate fisheries,
gut regulations on protecting fish,
let em hide all the money they cut me out of (offshore).
Hell, i can’t even get a job with em ’cause you cain’t live on those wages.
And when I have a problem with that,”

You tell more lies. Propaganda by a liberal.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:55 am

St Simons @ 10:36

I’ll keep that in mind.

————————-

EC @ 10:42

That sounds like best case scenario. I don’t see it getting better for a long time. Actions like that feed into the downward spiral and things snowball because of it. I’ve heard some people say recently that our economy is better than most other countries. If that is true, then the world is very f**ed up as a whole right now.

————————–

And your President’s healthcare plan is forcing employers to do exactly that. Congratulations liberal! You’re getting exactly the unintended consequences you were warned about but were too stupid to see coming from 10 feet in front of you.

Once again, for the learning impaired, and that’s you RB, I’ll post this in as plain and simple English as I possibly can.

Just because I am a Black American does not automatically mean that I am:
A) Liberal
B) A Democratic Party member/voter
C) Voted for Obama

Once you can get that through that thick assed skull of yours, the world will be a much better place as a result. Obama is as much my president as he is yours. I don’t think either one of us voted for him, unless you did. We can’t change that either, so he is the President of the United States for the next 4 years whether we like it or not.

#2 I didn’t vote for the ACA, and I have voiced my complete displeasure with it numerous times here on this blog and with friends and family. What in the hell do you think you were warning me about when I’ve never cheered for it’s passage.

Once again, whenever you decide to let these F-A-C-T-S penetrate that thick assed skull of yours, the world will be a much better place. Maybe you should read what people post here instead of depending on the voices in your head to tell you what we believe or who we support for once.

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:57 am

“Just because I am a Black American does not automatically mean that I am:
A) Liberal
B) A Democratic Party member/voter
C) Voted for Obama”

Hey the percentages are against you! lol

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
11:00 am

So in other words, when proven completely wrong, RB deflects and lies and then says you don’t know that the CEO apparently does not know what he is talking about.

Buffoonery RB….real buffoonery from you. But as I predicted, you’re a weakling.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:00 am

williebkind

I don’t let percentages dictate who I am.

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
11:05 am

“Just because I am a Black American…”

Don’t lecture me on Obama being “our” President until you’re willing to drop the “black” and simply be an American as being an American doesn’t need a qualifier to differentiate “us”.

My apologies for insinuating you were part of the Obama voter crowd who cheered on the ACA and it’s pending effect on the poor.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 6th, 2012
11:06 am

williebkind: “Hey the percentages are against you! lol”

Yeah, odds say one thing about like they do when you got pasty skin and a southern twang. You can bet with a high degree of probability how that person voted in presidential election.

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
11:11 am

Keep, “So in other words, when proven completely wrong, RB deflects and lies and then says you don’t know that the CEO apparently does not know what he is talking about.”

Seriously?? Do I have to explain to you the difference between someone saying “XXXX’s Pizza is charging $25 for pizza” which can be proven with a menu and “Unless you’re willing to pay $25 for pizza”? Are you really that dense, Keep?

You just keep trying to make the discussion about semantics, Keep, while you avoid the REAL discussion of the issues. The costs are going UP, Keep, so when they do I expect you to not complain and always buy from the places with more than 50 FTE’s and have higher prices because of it. To avoid them because their pizza’s are more expensive would be unpatriotic of you.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
11:15 am

Sure RB, run away and deflect from your posts from last night…. again your posts are buffoonery.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:20 am

Don’t lecture me on Obama being “our” President until you’re willing to drop the “black” and simply be an American as being an American doesn’t need a qualifier to differentiate “us”.

I put the “Black” there to let you know that my race doesn’t dictate who I am as many of y’all conservatives automatically think that Blacks voted for Obama. Obviously, you’ve never paid attention to much of what I’ve written here as I’ve explicitly divulged that I check “other” on applications and such and write in American for race. If you haven’t seen me state that before, then now you know. I don’t consider myself anything other than American, but when people choose to judge me by my appearance, then I guess it’s up to that person to decide what an “American” looks like.

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
11:23 am

What post, Keep? Tell me where I said there was somebody charging $25 for a pizza today that can be proven with a copy of their menu.

Put up or shut up, Keep. Or just keep doing your divert and dodge routine to avoid the actual issues. I guess you figure if you avoid discussing the effect all this will have on poor people then it won’t really happen?? Is that it?

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
11:23 am

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:50 am

Most inane post of the day.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
11:28 am

Bro’ @ 1130.

Well said and bravo!

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
11:29 am

Bro, “I put the “Black” there to let you know that my race doesn’t dictate who I am”

I don’t keep up with your skin color anybody else’s on here and I really don’t care what skin tone you or anybody else has.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
11:34 am

Here you go RB…again you can look real foolish with your buffoonery. So perhaps you ought to take your advice and shut up. :lol:

RB from Gwinnett
December 5th, 2012
6:05 pm
Keep, “It seems the GOP is losing on the corporate popular front too…. Pappa John’s and Olive Garden (Darden) are not the only ones backtracking on Obamacare claims after consumers started voting with their dollars. ”
You all just keep pretending every business in America who employs the same workforce OG and PJ do isn’t doing exactly what they’re doing whether they say it or not. If you really think a single dang restaurant chain isn’t going to cut all their people to part time hours to get under the 30 hour limit, YOU’RE EFFING KIDDING YOURSELF. For one, the “affordable” healthcare policy they’re required to provide their employees DOES NOT EXIST. That leaves paying the fines or cutting the hours.
So, when all your “less fortunate” are trying to make it on 25 hours a week or spending their limited gas money driving to 2 jobs, who are you going to blame that on? If you’re not willing to pay $9 for a cheesburger or $25 for a pizza, it’s YOU who are to blame so don’t go looking any further than your mirror.

saywhat?
December 5th, 2012
7:41 pm
RB from Gwinnett
December 5th, 2012
7:00 pm
Keep, “Pappa John’s indicated it would be $0.10 a pizza for them ”
How about backing that up, keep.
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F. Sinkwich
December 5th, 2012
7:03 pm
“Pappa John’s indicated it would be $0.10 a pizza for them ”
Bwaahahahahahahaha
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Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
7:06 pm
Why sure RB. I was wrong. The guy from PJ claimed 11-14 cents a pizza. Other analysis says less than a nickel. Now be a good chicken little wingnuts and back up your claims or just admit you don’t know what you are ranting about and apologize. I don’t think you have the ability to know the truth or to admit you were completely and absolutely wrong.
Schnatter, a Romney supporter who held a fundraiser for the former Republican nominee, said in August that Obamacare would cost the company between 11 and 14 cents per pizza. Subsequent analysis by Caleb Melby of Forbes found that the price increase would actually be closer 3.4 to 3.6 cents per pie.
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And RB and stink slink away, with their azzes thoroughly kicked, to go home, lick their wounds, and perhaps creep back when they think everybody has forgotten their total humiliation at the hands of a simple google search, one they were too feeble to make on their own.
Then they will again spout crap they believe in their heart of hearts to be true, about things which they know absolutely nothing about, until once again they are publicly humilitated and the cyle repeats itself. And so it will ever be. Sigh.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:36 am

RB

Fine and dandy… Glad to clear up misconceptions you had about me though. I hate it when people make false assumptions about me instead of simply asking me for my views or thoughts.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:36 am

Corbin

You know I’ll never pass for “normal”. ;)

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
11:44 am

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:36 am

And thank the Great Spirit for that! :D

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:46 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
12:12 pm

Brave Brave Brave Sir RB turned tail and ran away again. :lol: :lol: