Why the Republicans may regret holding the House

The worst thing to happen to Republicans in the 2012 election cycle will not turn out to be Mitt Romney’s defeat. Nor will it be their party’s squandering of a great opportunity to take the Senate.

No, the worst thing to happen to the Republican Party in 2012 was holding onto the House. That victory will be their undoing. It will cause major damage to the Republican brand and to Republican party unity. In fact, that victory — not the setbacks mentioned above — may end up being the catalyst that finally forces a rethinking of the GOP strategy and approach.

I understand that sounds odd, but it’s true. Without control of the House, Republicans would not be suffering through their current existential crisis. Without GOP control, it would be the responsibility of majority Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi to provide the politically risky votes for tax hikes and spending cuts that are needed to correct our fiscal course.

The Republicans, in contrast, would be free to sit back, united, and do what they do well, which is preach the ideologically pure message that taxes must never be raised and entitlements are the whole problem. Come 2014, they could rally behind that message and make the Democrats pay at the ballot box.

History says that’s a great strategy. It’s exactly what Republicans did two decades ago, when Bill Clinton tackled a booming deficit by forcing through major tax hikes without a single Republican vote. While that proved successful as policy, the backlash led directly to the 1994 Gingrich Revolution and the first GOP House majority in 40 years.

This time, though, the Democrats don’t control the House. The Republicans do. They have the power and the votes, and thus they have the responsibility. And as the party in power in the House, the Republican leadership is somehow going to have to produce a significant number of votes in favor of higher taxes. They can scratch and claw and hem and haw and mumble about a coup d’etat against Boehner, but that’s how this chapter is destined to end.

And then what?

Those Republicans who took the practical and I would argue patriotic course of doing what was necessary will then engage in some rather heated “discussion”, we’ll call it, with those members who stayed the one true course, at least in their own minds. Again, you can already see that dynamic taking shape.

House Speaker John Boehner, for example, has thrown four of his fellow Republicans off of committees as a warning to others who might feel rebellious. Sen. Jim DeMint has lambasted what he calls “Speaker Boehner’s $800 billion tax hike.” Erick Erickson at RedState says the time has come for conservatives to “either start blowing stuff up or shut up.” Rush Limbaugh says the speaker is “conducting a seminar on how to surrender.”

And that rancor will only get worse. To millions in the GOP base, this is a betrayal of all that they’ve been taught to believe, committed by traitors to whom they looked as leaders.

I’ve seen suggestions on the left that this is all some sort of stage-managed, theatrical gamesmanship by conservatives to vent steam and prepare the base for the inevitable. It is not. A ban on tax hikes has been the core uniting issue for the Republicans for more than a generation, and it is being abandoned. It’s as if some strange and inconceivable combination of events had occurred that gave Democrats no choice but to produce votes in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade.

This is bone-deep stuff for the Republicans. This is who they are. This is 30-plus years of indoctrination running head on into brute fiscal reality, and the collision is going to create casualties.

Over the weekend, Grover Norquist predicted that this could lead to a newly reinvigorated Tea Party, and “Tea Party II is going to dwarf Tea Party I.” He may be right, in terms of Tea Party intensity if not size. It may also, simultaneously, lead to a resurgence among moderate Republicans unhappy with the extremism that the modern GOP has adopted and has talked itself into believing is the mainstream. Such splintering could produce any number of outcomes, and in the end I have no idea how you patch all that back together into a cohesive party.

But this is what happens when an inflexible, idealistic mantra perfectly suited for a party in opposition is actually implemented by a party that has power.

– Jay Bookman

585 comments Add your comment

Oscar

December 6th, 2012
9:41 am

The point is that this president proposes many ideas that his own party doesn’t support, such as his own budgets.
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That’s the way our system works as opposed to a parlimentary system.
The president is elected by the voters. Senate and House members by separate elections.
We don’t have a parlimentary system where the prime minister has to maintain a majority that supports him.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:42 am

The point is that this president proposes many ideas that his own party doesn’t support, such as his own budgets.

Posted one minute after your post, dB…. For your next trick, can you give me the MegaMillions numbers?

:)

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
9:43 am

I’m seeing a surge in Washington state tourism. Many, many long-haired freaky people. It must be the climate.

DannyX

December 6th, 2012
9:44 am

“Now, is that intellectual discorse, in my opinion -NO.Frankly”

This coming from the king of “they do it too” replies?

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:45 am

read much, Woodstock?

No. THBAEOSATSQ

Mick

December 6th, 2012
9:46 am

woodstock

On your side of the coin, you refuse to believe that it was the previous president who started us up to the fiscal cliff. I don’t recall one political discussion about the debt or deficits during his term, where was the mighty iced tea party? It’s kind of like run up the bill and leave it for the next guy to handle, then complain about the bill, that’s what we are talking about…

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
9:48 am

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:42 am

I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
9:49 am

Corporate taxes are at historic lows and Republicans continue to claim that corporations are still over-taxed. What more of relevance is there to “know” with regard to corporate taxation.

indigo

December 6th, 2012
9:50 am

Jay, Republicans do not do “regrets”.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:51 am

The point is that this president proposes many ideas that his own party doesn’t support, such as his own budgets.

I get the point you’re making, but I think “his own party doesn’t support” isn’t exactly true. I’m sure ifyou polled the Congrefsfolk you’d get a pretty good consensus on what Obama’s asking for.

It’s just that–as you correctly point out as well–the Executive branch isn’t like a PM in England. There’s a distinct separation of powers. It would be somewhat unseemly for Obama to dictate to them like that, without even any proper debate.

Stunts that the oppo party manage to force a vote on such things may provide a bit of fodder for campaign commercials down the road (and yes, of course such things happen on both sides, depending on circumstances), but people who follow this stuff closely shouldn’t be fooled.

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
9:52 am

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
9:49 am

Corporations aren’t over-taxed because any tax liability they have is costed into the product and passed on to the consumer who pays the tax. The small business folks are bearing the brunt of over regulation in this country.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
9:54 am

Washington State also has a new State Song…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4YpqRPLIWc

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
9:54 am

I gotta pick this nit:

16 trillion in debt, 23 million looking for work

Can someone tell me what those two impressive sounding numbers have to do with one another?

anyone?

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:55 am

straitroad

I was referring to this sequential set of posts…


stands for decibels
December 6th, 2012
9:37 am

I fully expect, by the way, this “Senate blocks vote on Teh Preznit’s Proposal” nonsense to be fruitful and multiply among the winger faithful, as they dutifully repeated the nonsense about the “President’s Budget Voted Down 414-0, or 97-0, depending on what you were looking at at the time” of yore.

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straitroad
December 6th, 2012
9:38 am

stands for decibels
December 6th, 2012
9:31 am

No, it wouldn’t be my preference, but that’s the case with much that takes place in Washington. The point is that this president proposes many ideas that his own party doesn’t support, such as his own budgets.

You dutifully repeated the statement about the “Obama” budgets that were not actually his budgets but were instead, political stunts written by GOP Senators for the sake of Political Kabuki Theatre. Seems as though you’re a season ticket holder to the theatre as you’re here defending their most recent production.

Oops

December 6th, 2012
9:55 am

“Corporate taxes are at historic lows”

Four pinocchios

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
9:56 am

Stands, if you missed it, Stewart had a great segment on the GOP’s shameful crazy regarding the UN treaty.

MANGLER

December 6th, 2012
9:59 am

I learned pretty early in my social life (think grade school) that any time anyone draws a line in the sand, be it figuratively or literally, they end up losing. You can’t be completely rigid when dealing with another person, let alone 435 + 100 + 314 million on top of all that. Any time you build a wall, it eventually gets knocked down because it has to.

Goldie

December 6th, 2012
10:00 am

And the GOP in the Senate would not even ratify the disabilities treaty this week — this is how terribly dysfunctional that Party is today, a bunch of extremist wingnuts! May they go the way of the Dodo bird this year!

:)

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
10:01 am

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
9:55 am

Bro, don’t take this the wrong way, but I’m not going to debate this with you. You seem to get very emotional when responding to posts by those who disagree with you and resort to childish attacks. It’s a waste of time.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:01 am

KUTGF @ 9.56, regrettably, I hardly ever get to indulge myself in the NYSE COO’s brother’s comedy skit show these days, so I missed it. Is this skit worth looking up?

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:02 am

straitroad

What is there to debate? Stands brought up a point, and you kicked the extra point in the very next post. I find it quite amusing to say the least… predictable, but amusing anyway.

:lol:

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:05 am

You seem to get very emotional when responding to posts by those who disagree with you and resort to childish attacks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE50BPPvzEs#t=00m28s

Oops

December 6th, 2012
10:05 am

Sfd

More debt causes more unemployment

Oops

December 6th, 2012
10:07 am

Btw

Republicans would much prefer holding the House to the alternative

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:08 am

My apologies to anybody who found my 10:05 post to be very emotional and childish…

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:08 am

More debt causes more unemployment

ha ha ha.

you are funny.

barking frog

December 6th, 2012
10:08 am

Oops
More debt causes more unemployment
……………………………………….
Do you quit your job each time you get a loan ?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
10:09 am

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2012
10:12 am

Children have Blues Clues while this blog gets Oops Poops. We got the short end of that schtick.

independent thinker

December 6th, 2012
10:13 am

Jay- You and the media are hung up on the sensational issue of tax hikes and entitlement reform as they are played out in the daily talking points. This is a small piece of the puzzle and just media fodder.
There are entitlement reforms and tax reforms going into effect January 1 regardless of the current stalemate. For example Medicare payments by those earning over $200,000 go up from 1.45 to 2.43% to help cover Bush’s Medicare part D unfunded give away of free drugs.
Besides raising taxes and cutting entitlements, there are tax changes going in effect Jan. 1 that seriously effect our government revenues and entitlement funding.Why are these not being reported?

Today’s NY Times reports that for the first time since Clinton was president , Apple will start manufacturing products in the US. Currently Apple provides 700,000 jobs overseas. They no longer can handle investigations of labor conditions in China. This has been a top priority for Obama and is one issue where he held the moral high ground over one of the champions of outsourcing. (How is that Delphi stock doing Mr. Romney?) How many times have the GOP in the Senate fillibustered jobs bills to end tax credits for offshoring and outsourcing vs. credits for companies insourcing and bringing jobs back??? Why is this not a key part of the discussion?

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:14 am

You can’t be completely rigid when dealing with another person, let alone 435 + 100 + 314 million on top of all that.

That last number reminds me of somthing.

Anyone here ever bother to do the math on what 16 ZOMG TRILLION WITH A T! comes to, in terms of overall debt, distributed among 314 million Americans?

If so, can you tell me what is especially scary/horrible/crippling/MUST-DO-SOMETHING-NOW-ish about what amounts to, on paper, a $51K mortgage per citizen, being repaid at basically zero interest ?

Is there some compelling reason that I should say anything but “And? Point Being? So what?” next time I hear someone drop “16 Trillion” as if that’s supposed to be some discussion-stopper?

Put yet another way–if you needed to take on a bit larger mortgage in order to build something you needed–like, say, a nation worth a damn that provided jobs for all of its citizens willing to work–wouldn’t you do it?

sheesh, people. Stop wetting yourself whenever Pete Peterson gives the command, will ya? Have at least a little self-respect.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:15 am

oops. I was irrationally emboldened. meant to close it after “mortgage.”

Bad html. Bad!

Oops

December 6th, 2012
10:15 am

Frog

Highly levered companies go out of business

Highly levered countries can’t afford the investments necessary to help their economy grow and add jobs

More debt causes more unemployment

alex

December 6th, 2012
10:15 am

@ oops, 4 pinochios… several days ago I asked for a discussion regarding the componenets of corporate taxes, I am not in this field of accounting, please tell us a bit about corporate taxes such as what they pay a tax on if a privately or publicly held company, what is this about a “double tax”. What % is payed, does this compare to other countires and are they comparable….Thanks, look forward to learn more…

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:16 am

I am a Stewart fan.

I am too. I was trotting out his brainy lineage for the benefit of those who might not be.

St Simons

December 6th, 2012
10:17 am

A poor working Georgia fisherman, quoted as close as I can get it –

“Republicans say I voted fer mr. Obama ’cause of free stuff –
give a man a fish & you feed him fer a day,
teach a man to fish & you feed him for a lifetime, and all that.
Society is built on personal responsibility & opportunity.
Then the Republicans slash fishing education,
vilify teachers of fishing,
reward corporate fisheries,
gut regulations on protecting fish,
let em hide all the money they cut me out of (offshore).
Hell, i can’t even get a job with em ’cause you cain’t live on those wages.
And when I have a problem with that,
they call ME a socialist.
THAT’s why I voted fer mr Obama.”

out of the mouths of babes…
yep, about 2-3 more weeks, the calendar’s right.
Republican, the other white meat.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:17 am

Highly levered companies go out of business

Japan’s debt as GDP percentage is more than double ours. Are they going out of business?

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:19 am

Hey, oops, to your specific, and wrong-as-it-could be point–Japan’s unemployment is… well look it up:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/unemployment-rate

how can that be? ZOMG they have all this DEBT!

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
10:20 am

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:14 am

Stands, the debt trajectory needs to be reversed. And the debt isn’t spread over 314 million because some aren’t able to contribute and some will always live off of the rest of us.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:21 am

dB @ 10:14

Be careful with those kinds of responses, lest ye be labeled very emotional and childish like your’s truly. Seems that the conservatives on this blog don’t like to debate with people who return fire on the sh*t starters here. :)

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:23 am

Stands, the debt trajectory needs to be reversed.

I could go for “leveled, over a reasonable period of time, once we’ve got America back to work.”

Of course. But the notion that we have to move heaven and earth so that we can begin paying down the debt in short order is fiscal lunacy.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:23 am

and straitroad, if you actually meant the deficit trajectory, it IS being reversed, already.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:26 am

Hey oops, while I am axin’ questions–can those companies you’re referring to issue their own currency? Currency that is regarded as the standard by which all other currencies are judged? Currency that is backed up not just with full faith and credit but the scariest freaking military-industrial-complex that’ll drone you for looking at it funny, and invade given half a chance?

No?

then can you see how your “highly leveraged company” analogy is–how to put this delicately–utter bullsh-t?

Oops

December 6th, 2012
10:27 am

Alex

We have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world

When corporates pay “lower” cash taxes in any given year, they are not really paying a lower tax rate. Instead they are deferring taxes and will still have to pay those taxes later. They usually get a tax deferral benefit because of an incentive provided by the government to do something the government wants them to do. Such as investing in solar power. Or new equipment.

So lower current taxes are the result of government policies and incentives. But the companies will all still pay 35% total. They just may pay a small amount now and much more later.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:28 am

ugh. this time-suck absolutely *must* be left in order to produce.

I’ll check in later to see if Jay’s got anything new to chew on.

/drive-by

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:29 am

For those who wonder why more and more people are going on food stamps and other public assistance programs, has anybody stopped to consider the role big business plays?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/olive-garden-owner-hold-off-200230971.html

NEW YORK (AP) — The owner of Olive Garden and Red Lobster says it won’t bump any full-time workers down to part-time status, after its tests aimed at limiting health care costs resulted in a publicity backlash that took a bite out of sales.

At the same time, Darden Restaurants Inc. isn’t ruling out relying more heavily on part-timers over the long haul.

[...]

Last year, for example, the company put workers on a “tip sharing” program, meaning waiters and waitresses share their tips with busboys, bartenders and other employees. This allows Darden to pay more workers a far lower “tip credit wage,” rather than the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour.

Well, when more people work part time instead of full time and they make less money, they can’t afford to live anywhere that has a solid roof overhead other than bridges and such.

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
10:31 am

“Oops

December 6th, 2012
9:09 am
Enslaved

Christianity is evil”

People enslave children in a country that is 80% Hindu, less than 3% Christian, and your conclusion is that Christianity is evil???? Care to share your reasoning behind that with us?

Independent voter

December 6th, 2012
10:32 am

Jay, get a real job… too many people on here ALL DAY….. how can this be ??? no jobs… no LIFE?????? collecting disability, umemployment, food stamps ???? whose paying the taxes they want to spend ??????

St Simons

December 6th, 2012
10:36 am

Bro – no sweat mon. The credibility of the ‘label’ is proportional

to the credibiliteh of the label-er – zee-ro.

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:36 am

Off the fiscal cliff we go! The republicans should confront Obama and let him know it takes two sides to negotiate. I will lose money out of my paycheck but to stymy the advancement of communism in our country is worth it. Besides, shouldnt you progressive liberals/atheists be attacking Christmas by now.

Oops

December 6th, 2012
10:38 am

Rb 10:31

Sarcasm

The original post I was responding to was stupid

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:38 am

“Well, when more people work part time instead of full time and they make less money, they can’t afford to live anywhere that has a solid roof overhead other than bridges and such.”

The reason for that is Obamacare, did you get the memo?

Bill Orvis White

December 6th, 2012
10:39 am

@Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech…and earned it!
Ask me about The Southern Coalition, I dare you.

The fact is that there are many bright lights within the rightful Republican Party. From Herman Cain to the honorable Senator Rubio and back over to the honorable Rep. Ryan, WE will capture both the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate in just two years. At that point, WE will have already started impeachment proceedings against this illegitimate “president” who has engaged in numerous un-American activities including and not limited to: an anti-life agenda, pro-gay agenda, anti-businessism, taxism, regulationism, anti-colonialism and anti-Judeo-Christian policies. With those shining stars in the rightful Republican Party, WE WILL take back our country and rightfully elect a real leader who WILL NOT bring us over a fiscal cliff and add more dollars to the debt. Does anyone realize that we have $20T in new ObamaDebt? Our great grandchildren will be paying off ObamaDebt while celebrating Ramadan in the schools and speaking Arabic due to this weak-kneed so-called “leader.”
Amen,
Bill

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
10:39 am

Bro, oh I am all for the tip wage….. I think it ought to go right up through the CEO. Let them work for tips and let the consumer decide how much each group should be tipped. ;)

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
10:39 am

“Well, when more people work part time instead of full time and they make less money, they can’t afford to live anywhere that has a solid roof overhead other than bridges and such.”

And your President’s healthcare plan is forcing employers to do exactly that. Congratulations liberal! You’re getting exactly the unintended consequences you were warned about but were too stupid to see coming from 10 feet in front of you.

Again!

I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it again…The poor are going to get HAMMERED. And it’s your fault.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
10:40 am

Oh RB came back after running away last night humilated. You find any evidence yet for your $25 pizza?

alittlecommonsense

December 6th, 2012
10:40 am

I almost spewed my mouthfull of coffee when I read Nancy Pelosi and spending cuts in the same sentence. Good one Jay!

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:41 am

I saw Fox news last night asking citizens what is the fiscal cliff and only one knew. I said early those on the north east and west coast are morons. But they show up to vote. LOL, the north is so sad.

Erwin's cat

December 6th, 2012
10:42 am

Bro @10:29
That will continue if not get worse until unemployment is around 4%…Supply and demand

I remember during the dot com bubble, companies were offering BMW’s as a “signing bonus” to get prospective talent.

alex

December 6th, 2012
10:43 am

@oops, do companies pay a tax on the “profit” they generate That is then given to the stockholder in the form of a dividend, which the stockholder also pays a tax on, sounds dumb to me , but I keep hearing about a double tax..

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
10:45 am

Bill O. White!!!

That is rich! How do you come up with that stuff? You are a genius at sarcasm! Keep it up, please!

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
10:46 am

Where are all the Democrat owned/run businesses where the CEO/Owner only make a little more than the front line employees because they’re so generous? Anybody heard from any of them or a job opening there where people can make more than this “living wage” for menial work?

I would conclude there either aren’t any democrats who run/own businesses or the ones who do aren’t as generous as the media and you Bookmanites would have us believe.

Anybody got anything to prove me wrong?

straitroad

December 6th, 2012
10:46 am

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2012
10:23 am

No, I meant debt.

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:50 am

How much money is Obama spending on his holiday in Hawaii while those poor moron in NJ have not shelter from the cold. How much money will Obama borrow to keep this huge federal budget going. The federal employees make two to three times the salary of state employees. Why? The state employees pay the salaries of both. The federal budget must be addressed and federal employees positions terminated. Do you know the number of federal jobs should be state or private jobs.

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
10:54 am

“Oh RB came back after running away last night humilated. You find any evidence yet for your $25 pizza?”

Ummmm, wouldn’t I have to wait until the law kicks in to see the costs being passed on to you, Keep? Unlike the law itself, I don’t think any pizza makers will start charging you more today, but if it makes you feel better to think they’ll just eat the additional costs and not pass them on to you, you go right ahead.

Hey, do you think they’ll pass on the increased cost of all of their supplies too as their suppliers all increase their prices to cover their employee fines or do you think they’ll eat those cost increases too?

Pretty clear you’ve never run a business and aren’t thinking this stuff through, Keep.

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:55 am

“Then the Republicans slash fishing education,
vilify teachers of fishing,
reward corporate fisheries,
gut regulations on protecting fish,
let em hide all the money they cut me out of (offshore).
Hell, i can’t even get a job with em ’cause you cain’t live on those wages.
And when I have a problem with that,”

You tell more lies. Propaganda by a liberal.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
10:55 am

St Simons @ 10:36

I’ll keep that in mind.

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EC @ 10:42

That sounds like best case scenario. I don’t see it getting better for a long time. Actions like that feed into the downward spiral and things snowball because of it. I’ve heard some people say recently that our economy is better than most other countries. If that is true, then the world is very f**ed up as a whole right now.

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And your President’s healthcare plan is forcing employers to do exactly that. Congratulations liberal! You’re getting exactly the unintended consequences you were warned about but were too stupid to see coming from 10 feet in front of you.

Once again, for the learning impaired, and that’s you RB, I’ll post this in as plain and simple English as I possibly can.

Just because I am a Black American does not automatically mean that I am:
A) Liberal
B) A Democratic Party member/voter
C) Voted for Obama

Once you can get that through that thick assed skull of yours, the world will be a much better place as a result. Obama is as much my president as he is yours. I don’t think either one of us voted for him, unless you did. We can’t change that either, so he is the President of the United States for the next 4 years whether we like it or not.

#2 I didn’t vote for the ACA, and I have voiced my complete displeasure with it numerous times here on this blog and with friends and family. What in the hell do you think you were warning me about when I’ve never cheered for it’s passage.

Once again, whenever you decide to let these F-A-C-T-S penetrate that thick assed skull of yours, the world will be a much better place. Maybe you should read what people post here instead of depending on the voices in your head to tell you what we believe or who we support for once.

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:57 am

“Just because I am a Black American does not automatically mean that I am:
A) Liberal
B) A Democratic Party member/voter
C) Voted for Obama”

Hey the percentages are against you! lol

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
11:00 am

So in other words, when proven completely wrong, RB deflects and lies and then says you don’t know that the CEO apparently does not know what he is talking about.

Buffoonery RB….real buffoonery from you. But as I predicted, you’re a weakling.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:00 am

williebkind

I don’t let percentages dictate who I am.

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
11:05 am

“Just because I am a Black American…”

Don’t lecture me on Obama being “our” President until you’re willing to drop the “black” and simply be an American as being an American doesn’t need a qualifier to differentiate “us”.

My apologies for insinuating you were part of the Obama voter crowd who cheered on the ACA and it’s pending effect on the poor.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 6th, 2012
11:06 am

williebkind: “Hey the percentages are against you! lol”

Yeah, odds say one thing about like they do when you got pasty skin and a southern twang. You can bet with a high degree of probability how that person voted in presidential election.

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
11:11 am

Keep, “So in other words, when proven completely wrong, RB deflects and lies and then says you don’t know that the CEO apparently does not know what he is talking about.”

Seriously?? Do I have to explain to you the difference between someone saying “XXXX’s Pizza is charging $25 for pizza” which can be proven with a menu and “Unless you’re willing to pay $25 for pizza”? Are you really that dense, Keep?

You just keep trying to make the discussion about semantics, Keep, while you avoid the REAL discussion of the issues. The costs are going UP, Keep, so when they do I expect you to not complain and always buy from the places with more than 50 FTE’s and have higher prices because of it. To avoid them because their pizza’s are more expensive would be unpatriotic of you.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
11:15 am

Sure RB, run away and deflect from your posts from last night…. again your posts are buffoonery.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:20 am

Don’t lecture me on Obama being “our” President until you’re willing to drop the “black” and simply be an American as being an American doesn’t need a qualifier to differentiate “us”.

I put the “Black” there to let you know that my race doesn’t dictate who I am as many of y’all conservatives automatically think that Blacks voted for Obama. Obviously, you’ve never paid attention to much of what I’ve written here as I’ve explicitly divulged that I check “other” on applications and such and write in American for race. If you haven’t seen me state that before, then now you know. I don’t consider myself anything other than American, but when people choose to judge me by my appearance, then I guess it’s up to that person to decide what an “American” looks like.

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
11:23 am

What post, Keep? Tell me where I said there was somebody charging $25 for a pizza today that can be proven with a copy of their menu.

Put up or shut up, Keep. Or just keep doing your divert and dodge routine to avoid the actual issues. I guess you figure if you avoid discussing the effect all this will have on poor people then it won’t really happen?? Is that it?

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
11:23 am

williebkind

December 6th, 2012
10:50 am

Most inane post of the day.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
11:28 am

Bro’ @ 1130.

Well said and bravo!

RB from Gwinnett

December 6th, 2012
11:29 am

Bro, “I put the “Black” there to let you know that my race doesn’t dictate who I am”

I don’t keep up with your skin color anybody else’s on here and I really don’t care what skin tone you or anybody else has.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
11:34 am

Here you go RB…again you can look real foolish with your buffoonery. So perhaps you ought to take your advice and shut up. :lol:

RB from Gwinnett
December 5th, 2012
6:05 pm
Keep, “It seems the GOP is losing on the corporate popular front too…. Pappa John’s and Olive Garden (Darden) are not the only ones backtracking on Obamacare claims after consumers started voting with their dollars. ”
You all just keep pretending every business in America who employs the same workforce OG and PJ do isn’t doing exactly what they’re doing whether they say it or not. If you really think a single dang restaurant chain isn’t going to cut all their people to part time hours to get under the 30 hour limit, YOU’RE EFFING KIDDING YOURSELF. For one, the “affordable” healthcare policy they’re required to provide their employees DOES NOT EXIST. That leaves paying the fines or cutting the hours.
So, when all your “less fortunate” are trying to make it on 25 hours a week or spending their limited gas money driving to 2 jobs, who are you going to blame that on? If you’re not willing to pay $9 for a cheesburger or $25 for a pizza, it’s YOU who are to blame so don’t go looking any further than your mirror.

saywhat?
December 5th, 2012
7:41 pm
RB from Gwinnett
December 5th, 2012
7:00 pm
Keep, “Pappa John’s indicated it would be $0.10 a pizza for them ”
How about backing that up, keep.
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F. Sinkwich
December 5th, 2012
7:03 pm
“Pappa John’s indicated it would be $0.10 a pizza for them ”
Bwaahahahahahahaha
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Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
7:06 pm
Why sure RB. I was wrong. The guy from PJ claimed 11-14 cents a pizza. Other analysis says less than a nickel. Now be a good chicken little wingnuts and back up your claims or just admit you don’t know what you are ranting about and apologize. I don’t think you have the ability to know the truth or to admit you were completely and absolutely wrong.
Schnatter, a Romney supporter who held a fundraiser for the former Republican nominee, said in August that Obamacare would cost the company between 11 and 14 cents per pizza. Subsequent analysis by Caleb Melby of Forbes found that the price increase would actually be closer 3.4 to 3.6 cents per pie.
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And RB and stink slink away, with their azzes thoroughly kicked, to go home, lick their wounds, and perhaps creep back when they think everybody has forgotten their total humiliation at the hands of a simple google search, one they were too feeble to make on their own.
Then they will again spout crap they believe in their heart of hearts to be true, about things which they know absolutely nothing about, until once again they are publicly humilitated and the cyle repeats itself. And so it will ever be. Sigh.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:36 am

RB

Fine and dandy… Glad to clear up misconceptions you had about me though. I hate it when people make false assumptions about me instead of simply asking me for my views or thoughts.

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:36 am

Corbin

You know I’ll never pass for “normal”. ;)

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 6th, 2012
11:44 am

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:36 am

And thank the Great Spirit for that! :D

Brosephus™

December 6th, 2012
11:46 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2012
12:12 pm

Brave Brave Brave Sir RB turned tail and ran away again. :lol: :lol: