Why the Republicans may regret holding the House
The worst thing to happen to Republicans in the 2012 election cycle will not turn out to be Mitt Romney’s defeat. Nor will it be their party’s squandering of a great opportunity to take the Senate.
No, the worst thing to happen to the Republican Party in 2012 was holding onto the House. That victory will be their undoing. It will cause major damage to the Republican brand and to Republican party unity. In fact, that victory — not the setbacks mentioned above — may end up being the catalyst that finally forces a rethinking of the GOP strategy and approach.
I understand that sounds odd, but it’s true. Without control of the House, Republicans would not be suffering through their current existential crisis. Without GOP control, it would be the responsibility of majority Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi to provide the politically risky votes for tax hikes and spending cuts that are needed to correct our fiscal course.
The Republicans, in contrast, would be free to sit back, united, and do what they do well, which is preach the ideologically pure message that taxes must never be raised and entitlements are the whole problem. Come 2014, they could rally behind that message and make the Democrats pay at the ballot box.
History says that’s a great strategy. It’s exactly what Republicans did two decades ago, when Bill Clinton tackled a booming deficit by forcing through major tax hikes without a single Republican vote. While that proved successful as policy, the backlash led directly to the 1994 Gingrich Revolution and the first GOP House majority in 40 years.
This time, though, the Democrats don’t control the House. The Republicans do. They have the power and the votes, and thus they have the responsibility. And as the party in power in the House, the Republican leadership is somehow going to have to produce a significant number of votes in favor of higher taxes. They can scratch and claw and hem and haw and mumble about a coup d’etat against Boehner, but that’s how this chapter is destined to end.
And then what?
Those Republicans who took the practical and I would argue patriotic course of doing what was necessary will then engage in some rather heated “discussion”, we’ll call it, with those members who stayed the one true course, at least in their own minds. Again, you can already see that dynamic taking shape.
House Speaker John Boehner, for example, has thrown four of his fellow Republicans off of committees as a warning to others who might feel rebellious. Sen. Jim DeMint has lambasted what he calls “Speaker Boehner’s $800 billion tax hike.” Erick Erickson at RedState says the time has come for conservatives to “either start blowing stuff up or shut up.” Rush Limbaugh says the speaker is “conducting a seminar on how to surrender.”
And that rancor will only get worse. To millions in the GOP base, this is a betrayal of all that they’ve been taught to believe, committed by traitors to whom they looked as leaders.
I’ve seen suggestions on the left that this is all some sort of stage-managed, theatrical gamesmanship by conservatives to vent steam and prepare the base for the inevitable. It is not. A ban on tax hikes has been the core uniting issue for the Republicans for more than a generation, and it is being abandoned. It’s as if some strange and inconceivable combination of events had occurred that gave Democrats no choice but to produce votes in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade.
This is bone-deep stuff for the Republicans. This is who they are. This is 30-plus years of indoctrination running head on into brute fiscal reality, and the collision is going to create casualties.
Over the weekend, Grover Norquist predicted that this could lead to a newly reinvigorated Tea Party, and “Tea Party II is going to dwarf Tea Party I.” He may be right, in terms of Tea Party intensity if not size. It may also, simultaneously, lead to a resurgence among moderate Republicans unhappy with the extremism that the modern GOP has adopted and has talked itself into believing is the mainstream. Such splintering could produce any number of outcomes, and in the end I have no idea how you patch all that back together into a cohesive party.
But this is what happens when an inflexible, idealistic mantra perfectly suited for a party in opposition is actually implemented by a party that has power.
– Jay Bookman
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Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
7:52 pm
Come to think of it, either way we get a Raw-ee Deal.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
7:53 pm
Raw-ee = Roy in southern dialect for you transplanted northerners.
RF
December 5th, 2012
7:54 pm
“The Republican Party ain’t going anywhere when you have mindless support like that.”
You’re probably right about that! I still think there’s not as much cohesion amongst the younger Republicans. They seem more open to letting go of some of the ridiculous far-right morality crap while still being fiscally conservative. I think we may see in the next few years that they will begin something of a push back towards sanity. It will likely take a generation to really work, mind you, but conversations I’ve had with some of the college-age crowd indicates a change could come.
F. Sinkwich
December 5th, 2012
7:54 pm
Five cents a pizza?
Bwaahahahahahahaha
Got a quote from a pizza CEO on that?
Nope.
Loser mooch.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
7:56 pm
Nunna Yobinnes
Roy didn’t run in the GOP primary or runoff.
Just sayin’
Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
7:57 pm
No but he wuz the democrat candidate.
pete
December 5th, 2012
7:57 pm
Yippeeeeee…..we are going over the cliff!!!
Enjoy the ride.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
7:58 pm
RF – thanks for educating us. I did not realize morality = crap.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
7:59 pm
Sinky: Got a quote from a pizza CEO on that?
You do know who Schnatter is right? I mean you are not that stupid. Oh wait, apparently you are.
saywhat?
December 5th, 2012
7:59 pm
The Makers beat the Takers in the last election.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/harold-meyerson-in-this-election-makers-beat-takers/2012/12/04/d672e6f6-3e4d-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop
Sam Osborne
December 5th, 2012
7:59 pm
Any public servant that thinks they owe more in pledge to a lobbyist like Grover Norquist than they do by oath of office to the people they are elected to serve knows nothing of loyalty of any kind and deserves to suffer the fate of those that allow themselves to be so opportunistically misguided that they forsake their responsibilities in favor of the satisfaction of greedy individuals outside of their constituency.
pete
December 5th, 2012
7:59 pm
And in other news…
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/05/15706380-syria-loads-chemical-weapons-into-bombs-military-awaits-assads-order?lite
Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
8:01 pm
Pete, they seem to be doing their dangdest to fulfil the Mayan 12/21 thing.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 5th, 2012
8:03 pm
Bookman’s premise above seems to be that a certain vision of what is inevitable must prevail. And I don’t see the basis for making that assumption necessarily.
pete
December 5th, 2012
8:03 pm
Nunna,
Maybe Assad is a Mayan?
Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
8:04 pm
Meh. Who knows?
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
8:04 pm
RF
As a 39 year old, I don’t share that optimism. However, don’t let me rain on your parade.
Soothsayer
December 5th, 2012
8:05 pm
Gosh! Now where have I heard that chemical weapons thing before? Hmmmmh . . . it’s right on the tip of my tongue. I know it had something to do with a “dictator.” Where did I hear that? Oh! THAT’S RIGHT! It was EYE-rack! It just seems like we keep sitting through the same movie over and over and over and over . . .
getalife
December 5th, 2012
8:09 pm
Two gop Senators are for taxing the rich so far.
Change.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
8:10 pm
Sooth – but it has more credibility this time because of our democrat administration??
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
8:11 pm
No but he wuz the democrat candidate.
So, Deal’s victory is not the fault of Democrats as much as the fault of Republicans, right? Democrats didn’t select Deal as the GOPs candidate of choice. Republicans had two shots at picking someone other than Deal.
The Republican Civil War Begins
December 5th, 2012
8:12 pm
“Got a quote from a pizza CEO on that?”
How about Forbes?
“Update 12/5/12: an earlier version of this story estimated that a fair per pie cost increase to reflect additional expenses due to Obamacare to be 3.4 to 4.6 cents a pie. That was incorrect. The range is 5.6-9.8 cents per pie. This is still absolutely outside the range of proposed pie increases suggested by Schnatter at the time, and, as discussed in the comments, the range gives Schnatter a large benefit-of-the-doubt margin as the estimate assumes all pizzas are sold at specialty prices. In reality, many pizzas sold are at discount or coupon prices, and many pizzas are not specialty pizzas, but in fact cheaper pizzas with fewer toppings. Thanks to Daniel Kirchheimer for noticing the error.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/
Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
8:13 pm
Yes, but unfortunately (most of us) only get one vote.
pete
December 5th, 2012
8:14 pm
Correct me if I am wrong here.
So, that guy in DC wants to raise the taxes on the mean old 2%. Some of that 2% COULD be the same folks who offer goods and services that the folks down here in the 98% enjoy and consume. Do you think it is possible that those same 2% will raise their prices that we the 98% have to pay? Just a thought.
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
8:16 pm
What we have is an inept president who unlike most of his predecessors can’t lead congress to get together in order to do the peoples business. Rather he withdraws into a campaign posture that he’s much more comfortable with as the country suffers. This man is clearly not a presidential leader and is unfit for his office.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
8:16 pm
More sales tax revenue pete.
josef
December 5th, 2012
8:17 pm
SOOTH
Iraq had them and used them on the Kurds…
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
8:18 pm
Did the whack-a-troll get whacked?
saywhat, from that article…
More broadly and at the risk of oversimplifying, techies are into making products while bankers are into making money. In the age of Obama, where the big money dwells, invention is Democratic; sweet deals are Republican.
Occupy that, cons…
Elections Have Consequences
December 5th, 2012
8:18 pm
Jay, you are correct in one aspect. Without GOP control of the House, this issue would be a non sequitur. Of course, we would see the same spirit of ‘cooperation’ we saw in 2008-2010, and no doubt taxes and spending would be raised across the board.
The real issue is this isn’t about debt. If it was, it would have been dealt with last year. In 2011, however, Obama admitted (which the WH is now trying to walk back) that the adequate amount of revenue could be raised without raising taxes but by closing loopholes, exactly what Boehner is pushing as a narrative. None of this matters, of course, because the real thrust of the exercise is in destroying the opposing party-not addressing the debt and deficit. How it plays out in the longer term will be the real question.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
8:19 pm
Looks to me like our middle eastern brethren are determined to start World War III come hell or high water.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
8:20 pm
The President said he would take this fight to the people and he did.
He is meeting with business leaders and governors.
He is talking to the crybaby on the phone and the crybaby is staying to work on the deal.
That is leadership.
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
8:20 pm
We have a serious financial problem in the United States of America and Democrats aren’t the solution, they’re the problem.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
8:21 pm
We get one vote, but that doesn’t automatically equate to that vote being used wisely.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
8:22 pm
Someone is back for their nightly rant and pout about losing an election
getalife
December 5th, 2012
8:23 pm
NBC reports the weapons are ready and they are waiting on the order.
Yikes!
Nunna Yobinnes
December 5th, 2012
8:23 pm
Not good.
pete
December 5th, 2012
8:24 pm
Amen Recon!
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 5th, 2012
8:24 pm
any number of things could happen
I have popcorn ready….
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
8:25 pm
The so called upcoming fiscal cliff is a kiddie sled ride in comparison to the financial mountain drop off just around our corner.
Jackie
December 5th, 2012
8:26 pm
Many still do not recognize the fact that our Constitution is built on the foundation of each branch of the government, Presidential, Congressional and Judicial are separate, independent and equal in power
The House of Representatives control the pursue strings and the President can only sign in agreement or veto their actions, to which they have the ability to override his veto.
JohnnyReb
December 5th, 2012
8:27 pm
Jay, oh Jay where do you get this BS? Please tell me you rely on talking points from the Left and these thoughts are not yours alone? What a disappointment if you alone think a Republican win will be our undoing.
Contrary to your thoughts, Americans best be glad Republicans control the House. And, we all should be hoping they stick to their guns instead of folding to Obama like a tent.
Anyone with two grey cells to rub together knows Obama holding out for tax rate cuts is pure political. Nothing else. Republicans are willing and have offered to produce the desired revenue through various means other than raising tax rates as doing so would be very bad for the economy. Does Barry accept that? No. He wants the tax cuts, not because there will be any economical difference but because he must, he promised it, he must have it, and he is willing to take the economy into the toilet if not received.
I say let him.
pete
December 5th, 2012
8:27 pm
NBC reports the weapons are ready and they are waiting on the order.
And I am sure that Obama is too. Hahahahahahahahahaha
JohnnyReb
December 5th, 2012
8:29 pm
Well, one can excuse a single error but typing twice that Obama wants tax rates cuts is not excusable. It must be the vodka. Obviously, Obama wants tax rate increases.
guy
December 5th, 2012
8:29 pm
RB from Gwinnett, Finally,someone who tells the truth about the nasty and never satisfied liberals. Thank you!!!!
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
8:29 pm
As mediocre as Obama may be, thank all of the deities in all of the universes in all of the time space continua, that that fraud and sell out Mitt Romney didn’t get the chance to ruin this country like the previous Republican president did.
Mitt was in fact the man who was utterly unfit to lead this great republic and the people could see it and said so at the polls.
Now we just need tt finish what we’ve started and kick the rest of the Uncle Sam hating nutjobs out the door.
Rock on America…
The GOV
December 5th, 2012
8:29 pm
F. Sinkwich,
Thanks for all you did for UGA but you have passed away.
The person that uses your NAME is a scumbag. He uses your name in an attempt to bask in greatness, yet your impersonator is a cruel racist undeserving of your name. You’d think this person would understand but he clearly is a hateful racist and not capable. Do UGA fans sign off on this abuse of a UGA icon?
getalife
December 5th, 2012
8:30 pm
I hope he is bluffing but he is losing.
Doggone/GA
December 5th, 2012
8:30 pm
“to which they have the ability to override his veto.”
It takes more than the ability…it also takes the will
JohnnyReb
December 5th, 2012
8:31 pm
JamVet – you’re sick.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
8:31 pm
You neocons and your predictions are a bookie’s wet dream come true.
How many of you rubes said Romney would win this past election?
Clueless…
The GOV
December 5th, 2012
8:31 pm
“Loser mooch.”
For shame!
JohnnyReb
December 5th, 2012
8:34 pm
JamVet – Obama won because of the ground game, not because there is a majority of misguided citizens believing as you.
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
8:34 pm
Jam, where are all these neocons and mc carthies you speak of?
Soothsayer
December 5th, 2012
8:35 pm
“[B]ut it has more credibility this time because of our democrat administration??”
We have an Israeli administration.
“Iraq had them and used them on the Kurds…”
They did? How come they weren’t ever found. Someone used chemical weapons on the Kurds. I wonder who that could have been?
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
8:36 pm
Jay ought to just title every blog “Its the Republicans fault”.
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
8:37 pm
JohnnyReb,
The lib numbskulls won’t understand your logic because their leadership tells them not to understand and peer pressure keeps them in line with party politicthink. You know the communist workers paradise which has now been taken a step further under Obama to the non-worker, non-thinker paradise.
Thomas Heyward Jr
December 5th, 2012
8:38 pm
“Those Republicans who took the practical and I would argue patriotic course of doing what was necessary will then engage in some rather heated’
.
Patriotic to pay more taxes?
.
These little Mussolini Eichmanns………are getting scary.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
8:38 pm
filky has no shame gen Gov.
con dna should be studied at UGA because they are missing several normal genes.
In other words, cons have mental issues.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
8:39 pm
gen should be gene.
josef
December 5th, 2012
8:39 pm
I was just listening to a commentator who was saying that Assad may be banking on the fear that the weapons would fall into the hands of the radical extremists as leverage in cutting a deal of some kind of deal…
josef
December 5th, 2012
8:41 pm
SOOTH
Are you denying that Hussein gassed the Kurds?
As for where did the weapons go…to the fellow Ba’thists across the border…?
getalife
December 5th, 2012
8:41 pm
josef,
I heard he was talking to Ecuador, Venezuela and Cuba for asylum.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
8:43 pm
Obama won because of the ground game…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
And the climate is not warming and Darwin was a nutjob.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Wake up!
Or better yet, stay in your nightmare dream world.
Watching you faux conservatives publicly implode is the most fun that I’ve had in ages…
St Simons - he-ne-ha BOOTAKOOK 2014
December 5th, 2012
8:43 pm
Republicans controlled 54 of 99 state chambers in 2010 (re-drawing yr)
The most ‘creative’ gerrymandering since the 1st Republican Depression
and with that, they only control the House by a narrow 25 seats.
If they lose the House in ‘14, I think we can put a fork in em.
Republican, its what’s for dinner
Republican, the other white meat
josef
December 5th, 2012
8:43 pm
getalife
I had not heard that…interesting.
Heywood…
That Eichmann one is overboard…
Soothsayer
December 5th, 2012
8:44 pm
What if . . . the “rebels” in Syria were just plain old paid mercenaries paid for by the West at Israel’s direction?
What if . . . all the claims of “chemical weapons” were just plain old bullshyte just like they were in Iraq?
What if . . . Syria stands in the way of Israel’s obsession with Iran?
What if . . . Israeli and Western meddling results in a wholesale war with the Russians and Chinese?
What if . . . our country and our politicians weren’t controlled by Israel?
The Republican Civil War Begins
December 5th, 2012
8:44 pm
“JamVet – Obama won because of the ground game, not because there is a majority of misguided citizens believing as you.”
Obama won because Republicans nominated Romney.
pete
December 5th, 2012
8:45 pm
JamVet,
Question for you. Just how bad does the unemployment need to be, and just how high does the deficit need to be before you blame your messiah? Just curious, because neither were as high 4 years ago as they are now, and both are climbing and have been for 4 years.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
8:45 pm
“Without GOP control, it would be the responsibility of majority Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi to provide the politically risky votes for tax hikes and spending cuts that are needed to correct our fiscal course.”
Nancy Pelosi providing the politically risky votes for tax hikes and spending cuts to correct our fiscal course??? Holy shyte that is funny. What in the hell was Jay drinking when he wrote that?
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
8:45 pm
Shhhhhhh, Doom
CAT FIGHT!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 5th, 2012
8:46 pm
“WHY THE REPUBLICANS MAY REGRET HOLDING THE HOUSE”
Why the Democrats may regret holding the country ………. OBAMA !
Soothsayer
December 5th, 2012
8:46 pm
“Are you denying that Hussein gassed the Kurds?”
Can you offer definitive proof that Hussein gassed the Kurds?
Heck, anyone could have gassed the Kurds including the CIA.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 5th, 2012
8:47 pm
Headline Politico: “W.H. calls for calm in Egypt”
“As protests continue, the White House declines to take sides in the conflict.”
Well, that’s very interesting. They took sides last time.
Doggone/GA
December 5th, 2012
8:47 pm
“just how high does the deficit need to be before you blame your messiah?”
Jesus caused all that? Who knew?
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
8:47 pm
“What if . . . our country and our politicians weren’t controlled by Israel?”
Come on now Sooth. The Jews control us conspiracy is a particularly nasty one.
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
8:48 pm
josef,
I don’t think Assad can cut any kind of a deal because if many of those weapons aren’t already in the hands of people who’re not our friends, there’s nothing preventing them from soon being in their hands. There’s insufficient stability in Syria now to take a chance on where those weapons might end up.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
8:49 pm
pete, a question for you.
Do you always ask sophist questions dripping with logical fallacies?
Obama won because Republicans nominated Romney.
No, no, no, no, no, no. no!!
Their can be no blame for any Republican!
Nor their ideology or message or policies!
The majority of American people are nothing more than stupid, lazy mooches looking for hand outs – THAT is why Mr. Romney and a host of other Republicans got trounced.
Schnort…
getalife
December 5th, 2012
8:49 pm
josef,
He will probably end up in Iran if the rebels don’t get him.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 5th, 2012
8:50 pm
josef:
Your thoughts ??
From: “1493″ by Charles C. Mann
1) According to the author of this book (1493), malaria was one of our “founding fathers”.
The British (as opposed to our men) were so decimated by “Anopheles quadrimaculatus” at Charleston, Kings Mountain and Yorktown that it certainly made the difference in those outcomes.
2) In addition, malaria probably assisted the abolition of slavery much earlier than would have happened as a result of the ‘War Between the United (oxymoron) States of America and the Confederate States of America’.
When Northern troops crossed the Mason-Dixon Line/Plasmodium Zone (starting with Bull Run) they were so decimated (40% or more) that it probably prolonged the war by months if not years.
“Disease killed twice as many Union troops as Confederate bullets or shells.”
“Initially the North proclaimed that its goal was to preserve the nation, not free slaves; with few dissenting votes, Congress promised rebel states that ‘this war is not waged’ for the ‘purpose of overthrowing or interfering with (their) rights or established institutions,’ where
‘established institutions’ was taken to mean slavery. The longer the war ground on, the more willing Washington grew to consider radical measures. Should part of the credit for the Emancipation Proclamation be assigned to malaria? The ideal is not impossible.”
Soothsayer
December 5th, 2012
8:50 pm
My naive, innocent, gullible blogging friends. I love that you accept whatever you hear or see in the government (read Israeli) controlled media. Don’t worry. Never ask questions. It’ll all work out somehow (this is one of my favorites).
getalife
December 5th, 2012
8:52 pm
scout,
Two sides fought face to face today in Egypt..
After the rock and Molotov cocktails were thrown they tossed insults.
All they need is a blog like this one to do that.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
8:52 pm
Rush Limbaugh is an Israeli puppet. Hannity too. kd
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
8:52 pm
I think soothsayer gassed the Kurds in concert with Saddam Hussein.
Doggone/GA
December 5th, 2012
8:56 pm
“My naive, innocent, gullible blogging friends”
See, here’s the problem…if you can’t prove that your conspiracy theory is in fact a FACT…then it could EQUALLY be YOU that is “naive, innocent, gullible”
getalife
December 5th, 2012
8:57 pm
saddam admitted gassing the Kurds and said he was bluffing about wmd’s to keep Iran from attacking.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
8:59 pm
Washington (CNN) – In a significant development in the fiscal cliff standoff, Republican Sen. Tom Coburn, a leading deficit hawk, said Wednesday he would support higher tax rates on wealthier Americans as part of a broader deal with President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats to avoid the crisis.
Grover Norquist may have to hire some hit men…
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
8:59 pm
getalife, you’re a gas.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
8:59 pm
“Can you offer definitive proof that Hussein gassed the Kurds?”
Sooth do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Everyone knows it was really Hussein’s underling aka “Chemical Ali” who gassed the kurds.
pete
December 5th, 2012
8:59 pm
JamVet,
Give me an example of ’sophist questions dripping with logical fallacies’.
I don’t think you can answer.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
9:00 pm
del,
No, I am a Jew baiter.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
9:01 pm
Definitely some misunderstandings of the chemical attacks in Iraq on the kurds. Chemical Ali gassed the kurds while Hussein while having gas simply passed the turds.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 5th, 2012
9:03 pm
JamVet: “Grover Norquist may have to hire some hit men…”
Do you think that Grover Norquist’s stock is junk if everyone gets on board with tax rate increases?
I know Jay Bookman seems to think so. But don’t you think all this “apostasy” has been anticipated in advance?
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
9:04 pm
pete, give me an example where I have called Obama my messiah?
I don’t think you can answer.
You are chasing your tail.
Don’t ask stupid questions if you want me to take you seriously.
It’s not that difficult…
Soothsayer
December 5th, 2012
9:05 pm
“In March 1988, the Iranians managed to take the Iraqi Kurdish town of Halabja, near the border. Some of the fiercest fighting of the war ensued in Iraq’s effort to retake it, and Halabja became the site of one of the greatest tragedies of the war. After the fighting stopped, with Iran still in possession of the town, the international press was invited in. Hundreds of people lay dead in the streets, many of them Kurdish women clutching their dead babies, their dark blue lips indicating that they were victims of cyanide gas.
The Iranians condemned Saddam for gassing his own people, and the Kurdish rebels quickly joined in the condemnation, but Saddam denied the charges.
The Pentagon later issued a report that said that although both sides used chemical weapons at Halabja, each apparently believing they were targeting enemy positions, there was no evidence that it was the Iraqis who gassed the Kurds. In fact, Iraq was not believed to have cyanide gas, whereas, it was known that Iran did.
The mayor of Halabja also said he believed it was the Iranians who gassed the Kurds. Although the Pentagon’s findings on the Halabja massacre were reported by the Washington Post, they went largely unnoticed by most Americans. Instead, most U.S. media used the Halabja incident as definite proof that Saddam was a mass murderer.
Later, there was another incident in which the Kurds claimed that Saddam had used chemical weapons. A UN inspection team, however, found bad burns but no evidence of gas.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
9:07 pm
These poor conned can’t get American politics right or pick the right candidate, but sure, they all be geniuses at middle east politics.
I am sure there is more info in unskewed Israel
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
9:07 pm
Recon,
My own theory is that it was indeed the Jews behind the gassing of the kurds. Specifically I’m guessing it was the Jews of the Bookman blog- Jay, josef, and jewcowboy who done it. There’s something ominous and conspirational about them 3. And collectively their acronym is JJJ so I’m sure there’s a secret, insidious hidden meaning in the meaning of JJJ.
pete
December 5th, 2012
9:08 pm
JamVet,
OK, so I will ask again. This is real simple, I know you libturds have a hard time answering simple questions.
Just how bad does the unemployment need to be, and just how high does the deficit need to be before you blame your messiah? Just curious, because neither were as high 4 years ago as they are now, and both are climbing and have been for 4 years.
Soothsayer
December 5th, 2012
9:10 pm
SADDAM HUSSEIN DID NOT GAS THE KURDS. . . Nor did Iraqi soldiers pull babies out of incubators in Kuwait, as the Zionist-controlled media proclaimed in order to promote the first Gulf War. That was later exposed and admitted to be a story cooked up by the ad agency hired to arouse American’s support for a war thousands of miles from our borders with a country which leader never made a threat against America. They just wanted U.S. soldiers to “go get that evil mad-man” and if a few hundred thousand innocent Iraqi’s die in the process. . . so what?
Uh oh! Not what you wanted to hear, huh?
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
9:10 pm
Saddam denied the charges of gassing the kurds??? Well I know he wouldn’t lie. So that does it. It had to be jay, josef, and jewcowboy.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
9:12 pm
Welcome, I can’t say. And I doubt that lout cares one way or the other. He’s made his fortune brow beating little men in the Republican Party.
What I can say is that Grover Norquist is a blithering trickle down idiot who should never have had the ear of any intelligent law maker. That he did and has had such incredible power over so many in the GOP is testament to their collective lack of moral courage to make the hard choices and to do the right things for the average American family.
But shortly, very shortly it would appear, he will join the ranks of the once inexplicably relevant…