Why the Republicans may regret holding the House

The worst thing to happen to Republicans in the 2012 election cycle will not turn out to be Mitt Romney’s defeat. Nor will it be their party’s squandering of a great opportunity to take the Senate.

No, the worst thing to happen to the Republican Party in 2012 was holding onto the House. That victory will be their undoing. It will cause major damage to the Republican brand and to Republican party unity. In fact, that victory — not the setbacks mentioned above — may end up being the catalyst that finally forces a rethinking of the GOP strategy and approach.

I understand that sounds odd, but it’s true. Without control of the House, Republicans would not be suffering through their current existential crisis. Without GOP control, it would be the responsibility of majority Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi to provide the politically risky votes for tax hikes and spending cuts that are needed to correct our fiscal course.

The Republicans, in contrast, would be free to sit back, united, and do what they do well, which is preach the ideologically pure message that taxes must never be raised and entitlements are the whole problem. Come 2014, they could rally behind that message and make the Democrats pay at the ballot box.

History says that’s a great strategy. It’s exactly what Republicans did two decades ago, when Bill Clinton tackled a booming deficit by forcing through major tax hikes without a single Republican vote. While that proved successful as policy, the backlash led directly to the 1994 Gingrich Revolution and the first GOP House majority in 40 years.

This time, though, the Democrats don’t control the House. The Republicans do. They have the power and the votes, and thus they have the responsibility. And as the party in power in the House, the Republican leadership is somehow going to have to produce a significant number of votes in favor of higher taxes. They can scratch and claw and hem and haw and mumble about a coup d’etat against Boehner, but that’s how this chapter is destined to end.

And then what?

Those Republicans who took the practical and I would argue patriotic course of doing what was necessary will then engage in some rather heated “discussion”, we’ll call it, with those members who stayed the one true course, at least in their own minds. Again, you can already see that dynamic taking shape.

House Speaker John Boehner, for example, has thrown four of his fellow Republicans off of committees as a warning to others who might feel rebellious. Sen. Jim DeMint has lambasted what he calls “Speaker Boehner’s $800 billion tax hike.” Erick Erickson at RedState says the time has come for conservatives to “either start blowing stuff up or shut up.” Rush Limbaugh says the speaker is “conducting a seminar on how to surrender.”

And that rancor will only get worse. To millions in the GOP base, this is a betrayal of all that they’ve been taught to believe, committed by traitors to whom they looked as leaders.

I’ve seen suggestions on the left that this is all some sort of stage-managed, theatrical gamesmanship by conservatives to vent steam and prepare the base for the inevitable. It is not. A ban on tax hikes has been the core uniting issue for the Republicans for more than a generation, and it is being abandoned. It’s as if some strange and inconceivable combination of events had occurred that gave Democrats no choice but to produce votes in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade.

This is bone-deep stuff for the Republicans. This is who they are. This is 30-plus years of indoctrination running head on into brute fiscal reality, and the collision is going to create casualties.

Over the weekend, Grover Norquist predicted that this could lead to a newly reinvigorated Tea Party, and “Tea Party II is going to dwarf Tea Party I.” He may be right, in terms of Tea Party intensity if not size. It may also, simultaneously, lead to a resurgence among moderate Republicans unhappy with the extremism that the modern GOP has adopted and has talked itself into believing is the mainstream. Such splintering could produce any number of outcomes, and in the end I have no idea how you patch all that back together into a cohesive party.

But this is what happens when an inflexible, idealistic mantra perfectly suited for a party in opposition is actually implemented by a party that has power.

– Jay Bookman

585 comments Add your comment

Tundra Dude

December 5th, 2012
4:58 pm

Good timing…First!

Tundra Dude

December 5th, 2012
5:04 pm

Without GOP control, it would be the responsibility of majority Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi to provide the politically risky votes for tax hikes and spending cuts that are needed to correct our fiscal course.

Ahhh. good point.
(where does one get time to think of all these things) ;-)

Joe Hussein Mama

December 5th, 2012
5:06 pm

And it couldn’t have happened to a more *deserving* bunch of politicians.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:06 pm

More Bookman prognostications about the demise of the Republican party. Anything to avoid the coming Cliff huh? :)

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:08 pm

*deserving* HAHAHAHA!!!!! :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
5:14 pm

Interesting. With the perhaps paper tiger threats of tea party challengers the recent gerrymandering could exacerbate the falling from grace of a number of the quivering.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
5:16 pm

” Sen. Jim DeMint has lambasted what he calls “Speaker Boehner’s $800 billion tax hike.” Erick Erickson at RedState says the time has come for conservatives to “either start blowing stuff up or shut up.” Rush Limbaugh says that the speaker is “conducting a seminar on how to surrender.”

Man, that cracked me up :)

Cosby

December 5th, 2012
5:18 pm

Tired of Repbus vs Dems tired of class warefare, tired of I won so I can do anything I want to including running the country off the cliff – literally and not just the physical clif – . When will people as Jay and the rest of the so called news media – and I say that loosley as there is no news, just made up one liners. This country is more divided than ever promoted by the news media and the White House. It is broke – yep – broke – you can listen to Jay, CNN, NBC,ABC, Fox and at the end of it all they are saying the same thing – the USA is broke and divided -We are no longer Americans but a special; group that should receive special handouts from the government ( See CNN today that is running “Who is Black in americia”- where will this all end up – well in the next year or two – Greece will look like a great country to the USA..thanks to Dems, Repubs, Jay and the news media – thanks a lot

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:19 pm

Republicans were destined to be losers.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 5th, 2012
5:20 pm

Well, I sure hope they don’t vote for a tax increase. That ain’t the Republican way. If we can’t cut out enough spending, we need a Fee increase. Now Fees are the Republican way. If you need money for guvmint, you don’t pass a tax. You pass a Fee.

If we got to have more money, then we need a Income Fee, not a Income Tax. Long as it looks like the fee is being passed on to some other sucker citizen, a decent Republican will go along with it. Not that we’ll like it, but we’ll tolerate it.

Have a good night everybody.

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:20 pm

IMAN

Stuff it… here I was, all ready for a tangle with you, and I wind up agreeing with just about everything you said. Good column and astute analysis…

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:21 pm

What’s the point of rehashing old news? “Our” president has already won right? Let him own it. Walk away and let sequestration happen. Win-win right? :)

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:21 pm

Jay

Very interesting take on the subject.

With the gerrymandered districts I can see a more moderate type Republican elected in many of them the next time around.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
5:21 pm

This just keeps getting better and better. If you fake conservatives though the last few years were horrible for you, get used to even worse days ahead.

Maybe that self-deport stuff was merely aimed at the wrong crowd, Mr. Romney…

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:24 pm

Josef

I stopped by the pet store on the way home.

They were all out of troll chow.

When I went to the previous thread I found out why.

That’s gonna be one stuffed troll by the end of the evening.

:-)

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:24 pm

Sheldon Adelson says he’s going to double his bet on the Republicans in the next election. :lol:

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:25 pm

Jam,

Worry about “our” president. Mitt will be just fine. “Our Lord and savior” is gonna fix everything. I am so stoked! :)

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:26 pm

COMMON

I hope he does start something with me…I had one of THOSE days… :-)

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:27 pm

TP

I want to get a job as a Republican pollster in the next go round.

I can get drunk and make crap up as well as they do.

:-)

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:27 pm

definition of stoked – full of it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
5:28 pm

Ummm… that would require Magnolia Julep chow. :D

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

THOSE days… HAHAHAHA!!! :)

Morality?

December 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

If you think the fiscal cliff is bad you ain’t seen thing yet. Obama’s worst mistake is winning the election. The buck stops with OBAMA.

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

So, what’s the dems strategy when the Obama tax hikes aren’t enough to cover the massive increase in spending and we continue headlong over the cliff? Blame Bush some more? More hikes? You know the hikes he wants are a drop in the bucket, so then what?

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

Insofar as the Tea Party, etc, is concerned…it’s time the mainstream GOP tells them to go away, they’re more a liability than an asset…and if they do? Where will the Tea Partiers go…? Away into well deserved ignominy.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
5:29 pm

I heard sheldon bought the election in Israel and trying to do it here.

Old Goober

December 5th, 2012
5:30 pm

Give it up, Cons. You’ve done everything in your power to cut Those People out of federal aid. All this mention of Obama phones and food stamps is just so much code for “no tax money for people who aren’t like me.” The American citizenry has spoken loudly at the polls. Unless you want to go the way of the Whig party, you’ll listen.

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:30 pm

If Sheldon and the Koch boys and the other billionaires all promise to double down on their campaign funding, we might see the economy come roaring back. We should hold more elections since that’s apparently what it takes to get the Republican party’s so-called job creators to actually create jobs.

Morality?

December 5th, 2012
5:30 pm

Obama will go down in history as the “Herbert Hoover” of the 2013 Great Depression.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:30 pm

It don’t take much

:-)

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:30 pm

Definition of TaxPayer-generational leech

Morality?

December 5th, 2012
5:31 pm

Tax hikes will account for 10% of what we need to avoid this disaster – Obama will get the blame for the CUTS.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 5th, 2012
5:31 pm

TaxPayer — “Sheldon Adelson says he’s going to double his bet on the Republicans in the next election.”

That man ought to know better than to try to draw to an inside straight.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 5th, 2012
5:32 pm

RB — “So, what’s the dems strategy when the Obama tax hikes aren’t enough to cover the massive increase in spending and we continue headlong over the cliff? Blame Bush some more? More hikes? You know the hikes he wants are a drop in the bucket, so then what?”

Soylent Green, and you go first, RB.

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
5:32 pm

“If you think the fiscal cliff is bad you ain’t seen thing yet. Obama’s worst mistake is winning the election. The buck stops with OBAMA.”

Not as long as he has the likes of Bookman and the rest of the Obama apologist media covering for him. He could murder Kate and her unborn child and they wouldn’t cover the story (or would blame it on Republicans).

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:33 pm

Morality

The what? He’s no Roosevelt, for sure, but he’s no Hoover either…

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:33 pm

C’mon getalife say it loud and don’t dance around it. You know you want to say the J-word.

Morality?

December 5th, 2012
5:33 pm

I won a Rolex off a pimp one time with an inside straight……. lucks part of the game.
For Obama getting out of this mess will be like hitting a royal flush on the river.

Mr. Snarky

December 5th, 2012
5:34 pm

Sounds like fun. Please pass the popcorn.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
5:35 pm

josef, i am hoping that the Uncle Sam haters in the Tea Party make a big comeback!

Along with Fox News and Rush Limbaugh they are the non-Republicans’ biggest secret weapon!

Astropig

December 5th, 2012
5:35 pm

Actually, Jay is kind of wrong here. the system is working just as intended.

The Founding Geniuses knew that the unity of their time (a time of revolution from the crown) would last only a season. They knew that eventually there would be demogogues and scoundrels ensconced in the offices then held by the likes of Hamilton,Jefferson and…Washington. They correctly foresaw that the Barack Obamas of the political world would come and go in our representative republic. Thats why they built a system that could most easily produce “gridlock” (although the term was unknown to them). They ensured that any big political shifts would have to have very broad support to become law. The whole concept of checks and balances was specifically designed to frustrate the political class that would fan the passions of the moment to grab power (and fortune) on the backs of what was then a relatively poor population of smallholders and merchants. Their genius was a letter to posterity that ensured that the Nancy Pelosi’s and Harry Reid’s (And Newt Gingriches and Mitch McConnells) of the world had strict,clearly defined limits on their power. The protections devised over two centuries ago still prevent a narrow majority (or plurality) from acting with dictatorial power.

So cheer up if you are in favor of the constitution. It still works as designed. Gridlock is good.

Morality?

December 5th, 2012
5:35 pm

josef – I pray you are right but I am a realist. Can Obama hit a royal flush on the river? Hope so.

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:37 pm

NERO

Nope. You’ve got getalife wrong on that one…

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:37 pm

I can get drunk and make crap up as well as they do.

Yes but can you melt down in full splendor live on FOX. Rove has set a new standard for Republican melt-down. I suspect that will be part of the interview process when applying for Republican pundit.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:38 pm

Fiscal Cliff talks are frozen. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Everybody raise they’re arms in the air like on the Scream Machine at Six Flags!!

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
5:38 pm

Everyone without the last name of van Winkle knows that George Walker Bush was the modern day Herbert Hoover.

Both are consistently listed near the bottom of presidential rankings and Meatality knows that.

Alas he voted for George twice…

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:42 pm

TP
Yes but can you melt down in full splendor live on FOX. Rove has set a new standard for Republican melt-down. I suspect that will be part of the interview process when applying for Republican pundit.
————————————————————————————-

That’s a lot of booze

:-)

TaxPayer

December 5th, 2012
5:43 pm

For Obama getting out of this mess will be like hitting a royal flush on the river.

Obama is holding that Royal flush. The funny part is that Republicans have already been shown Obama’s winning hand and they’re still in denial. The Republicans are so deep in denial, they are probably expecting Mitt to jump up on the stage at the last minute during the inauguration and get sworn in. :lol:

Pizzaman

December 5th, 2012
5:43 pm

I’m so sick of the Republicans and their allegiance to Grover Norquist instead of to the overall welfare of the Country. After all “support and defend……….all enemies foreign and domestic”. I say let them go over the cliff and we can start over without them!

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:44 pm

Anybody know where Obama’s gonna be on Dec. 21?

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:46 pm

josef,

Sure I do. Sheldon….Israel…bought election. Keep pretending you can’t read between the lines. We know what he meant.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
5:46 pm

josef

He’s probably gonna be sitting down with Boehnor for a good cry

:-)

Ronald Reagan

December 5th, 2012
5:47 pm

Benghazi answers? We are still waiting & the families need to know the truth!

Pete

December 5th, 2012
5:48 pm

I believe the Gerrymandering by Republican state houses in 2010 to create “safe” GOP districts are going to lead to national losses for the party for the next two election cycles. The safe districts create a situation where the party can’t make the moves on immigration in particular they need to in order to succeed nationally. If the lines had not been drawn so “cleverly,” the Representatives would have the votes to fend of the Tea Party primary challenge. I think this will be a serious problem for them until redistricting after 2020.

nahila

December 5th, 2012
5:48 pm

You are grossly out of line. You cannot spend $1.25 of your tax collection of $1.00 because you are giving away the .25 cents borrowed from China to give the foreign governments buying their loyalty, keeping our troops in bases all over the globe, be beset by fraud in all phases of government, keep paying people not to work and stay home, when we should be paying them to go back to school to qualify for a better job. However, when you tax away surplus income from Corporations and small businesses that can create the needed jobs, you condemn the unemployed and untrained workers to a system of dependency for Government support thru the various food stamp cards and Medicaid. The only way out of our economic crisis is to provide tax incentives to those businesses that increase the number of employees that work for them. We must have more workers pulling the wagon and less riding the wagon. We must stop rewarding people when they have more dependent children by limiting the number of children per parent that can receive government support and we must run down the fathers to demand that they pay for some support of their children.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
5:49 pm

It seems the GOP is losing on the corporate popular front too…. Pappa John’s and Olive Garden (Darden) are not the only ones backtracking on Obamacare claims after consumers started voting with their dollars. :lol:

Doggone/GA

December 5th, 2012
5:51 pm

“You cannot spend $1.25 of your tax collection of $1.00 ”

Sure you can. Ever had a mortgage, or a car loan, or a credit card you couldn’t pay off all at once? That’s spending beyond what you make. No differenece

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:51 pm

…”voting with their dollars.” LOL! :)

getalife

December 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

You can’t beat our President cons.

Give it up and show respect.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

Josef – the underground bunkers under that resort (sorry the name escapes me at the moment) in West Virginia.

saywhat?

December 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

I still predict that over the long term, two parties will emerge. One will be the “conservative party” consisting of red dog democrats, and any moderate republicans that may still exist somewhere in the wild. Whether it will still be called the Republican Party, who knows. The teatards, however will be kicked to the curb as a fringe party.

This will leave the more progressive Democrats in charge of the liberal party, with some O.W.S. types joining in. Again whether this will still be called the Democratic Party is anybody’s guess.

The net result will hopefully be two parties that are actually somewhat equidistant on either side from a point close to the center, and that will once again be able to compromise.

Jackie

December 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

The problem is not the politicians that espouse the outlandish ideas, those who support those so-called conservative politicians keep these people in office.

It appears those who vote for the so-called conservatives are delusional.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:54 pm

Come back getalife. Let’s talk more about how those people buy elections. I’m eager for your theory on it all.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
5:55 pm

getalife,

Lets talk more about Sheldon and Israel.

clem

December 5th, 2012
5:56 pm

that maroon chip rogers just cost his district some big bucks to hold special election….they ought to garnish his gpb paycheck

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:56 pm

NERO

“Sure I do. Sheldon….Israel…bought election. Keep pretending you can’t read between the lines. We know what he meant.”

Between WHAT lines…Sheldon did put plenty of shekels into the Israeli election…he did the same here. He came out on the winning side there. He didn’t here.

I know what you’re trying to intimate, but, no, that’s not at all what getalife was saying or what was motivating him…

I’m the kind that can find residual anti Semitism (the J word) in a peanut butter sandwich, but I don’t see it in what getalife posted at all…and, secondly, having been on the blog for a fairly long time. that has never surfaced that I can recall with getalife…it’s not in him that I can determine…

Real Scootter

December 5th, 2012
5:56 pm

nahila

December 5th, 2012
5:48 pm

Good luck with that! lol

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
5:57 pm

Pizzaman, “I say let them go over the cliff and we can start over without them!”

You do realize without all those evil rich people, most of whom own or run the businesses that employ the likes of YOU, there’s nobody paying the bills around here. YOU might actually have to pay for your own crap. Tell me something Pizzaman, why aren’t all the Democrat owned businesses hiring all these unemployed people just because they care about the poor “less fortunate”? Why is that?

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:58 pm

Nunna

I have no link, but the water cooler talk at work was that it was the Colorado site… -)

Cherokee

December 5th, 2012
5:59 pm

Actually RB the deficit is already falling quickly – as the economy grows. Obama, like Clinton before him, will bring about substantial growth, reduring the debt even further.

Good times….

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
5:59 pm

I finally remembered the name – Greenbrier.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 5th, 2012
6:00 pm

nahila@5:48 pm

And all those tax breaks after 2001 created how many decent paying jobs?

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
6:00 pm

Colorado would probably be better. Further away from DC.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 5th, 2012
6:02 pm

On second thought, it is closer to Yellowstone.

Real Scootter

December 5th, 2012
6:03 pm

josef

December 5th, 2012
5:56 pm

You are probably right about getalife.Hail,you seem to know more about me than I know about myself! lol

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:03 pm

josef,

Defend him all you want. It’s clear what he implied. He thinks that when conservative jews contribute to an election it is somehow “bought”. You need to dig a little deeper in that peanut butter sandwich.

CJ

December 5th, 2012
6:03 pm

For fun, it seems, PPP polled Georgia Republicans and found that Herman Cain would crush Saxby Chambliss in a Republican primary (if it were held today).

For what it’s worth.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/12/chambliss-vulnerable-in-a-primary.html

indigo

December 5th, 2012
6:04 pm

Republicans sold their souls to Big Business years ago.

Now, the chickens have come home to roost.

We, the American people may see some benefit out of this internal Republican chaos. Or, we may all go over the cliff together and only the rich will have parachutes.

Which way will this turn out?

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
6:05 pm

Keep, “It seems the GOP is losing on the corporate popular front too…. Pappa John’s and Olive Garden (Darden) are not the only ones backtracking on Obamacare claims after consumers started voting with their dollars. ”

You all just keep pretending every business in America who employs the same workforce OG and PJ do isn’t doing exactly what they’re doing whether they say it or not. If you really think a single dang restaurant chain isn’t going to cut all their people to part time hours to get under the 30 hour limit, YOU’RE EFFING KIDDING YOURSELF. For one, the “affordable” healthcare policy they’re required to provide their employees DOES NOT EXIST. That leaves paying the fines or cutting the hours.

So, when all your “less fortunate” are trying to make it on 25 hours a week or spending their limited gas money driving to 2 jobs, who are you going to blame that on? If you’re not willing to pay $9 for a cheesburger or $25 for a pizza, it’s YOU who are to blame so don’t go looking any further than your mirror.

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:06 pm

nero,

I can’t think for you.

Do your own research leecher.

RAMZAD

December 5th, 2012
6:08 pm

This just goes to show the importance and the vitality of the vote in a democratic society. The American people voted and politicians are running like cockroaches under the glare of a police flashlight. I love it. I hope when Republicans go to blow things up some of the C-4 is defective
and pop before……..

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
6:09 pm

“Actually RB the deficit is already falling quickly”

WOW. Somebody seriously ain’t paying attention. Even the CBO is projecting a $20T debt looming and this ^^^^ clown thinks it’s going down. Don’t forget to change your bong water, dude!!

Matti

December 5th, 2012
6:09 pm

“In other words, this is bone-deep stuff for the Republicans. This is who they are. “

Heh heh…. Heh…
Uhhhh, sorry. Well, there comes a time in every life when an man or woman has to look in the mirror and take a good, hard, heh… look at the face staring back. “Is this who I wanted to be? Am I doing what I’m supposed to do? Is it time to change? What do I keep? What do I leave behind?”

It’s healthy.

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:13 pm

NERO

No. I think it is you who are hedging on using the J word for your take. If person A (conservative or liberal) puts the money where the mouth is, and seeks to buy an election—and there’s plenty of that going around–it person A happens to be Jewish, all of the sudden that canard comes to certain minds.

Believe me, if getalife felt that way, he’d say so and mince no words in the process…he ain’t known for his between-the-lines subtleties…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
6:14 pm

RB, what an idiotic post you made. I applaud you thought…pulling that much out of your arse with your head so far up there was quite a trick.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:14 pm

getalife,

Your silence spoke volumes. We all know what you meant. Jews…

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:16 pm

josef,

I think it was a politician over there that said he bought the election.

The left teased bibi about picking the wrong horse.

sheldon wants war with Iran.

Bob Loblaw

December 5th, 2012
6:17 pm

Jay, you’re right and wrong: this will strengthen TEA Party resolve, but not its size. The freakshow is proving to hurt the brand. The next two years will put it out of its misery. It’ll be like Perot 2.0. Ineffective and tired.

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:18 pm

Scootter…

I guess you weren’t here last p.m. Between the Imam and Tom Middleton, I found out I don’t know nuthin. Those two, on the other hand, know me inside and out… :-)

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:19 pm

We need the tea party to stop w and the gop from blowing our surplus and exploding our deficit.

Bad timing.

JamVet

December 5th, 2012
6:20 pm

Zero feigning concern over Jews.

Hysterical…

And getalife vs. zero is like LSU vs. Idaho…

middle of the road

December 5th, 2012
6:21 pm

don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax that man behind the tree.

(but there is no one behind the tree)

don’t cut my services, don’t cut the pork going to my district, cut only waste and someone else’s pork. Cut medicaid services to the poor, but reuire hospitals to treat them anyway, but don’t let it up my insurance. Cut Medicare to people who make less than I, but don’t cut my mother’s medicare.

Don’t cut Medicare, Medicaid, Social security, defense, or the interest – just cut the rest (that is about 10% of the budget).

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:21 pm

josef,

Let him defend himself. I’m sure you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his silence is telling. His words were purposeful and loaded. We may disagree, but I enjoy your informed and thoughtful posts. Don’t defend him. He knows exactly what he did.

Real Scootter

December 5th, 2012
6:22 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 5th, 2012
6:14 pm

I know it’s none of my business but couldn’t RB be correct? (serious question)

RB from Gwinnett

December 5th, 2012
6:23 pm

Keep, “RB, what an idiotic post you made. I applaud you thought…pulling that much out of your arse with your head so far up there was quite a trick.”

So, you think there IS an affordable policy these employers can buy for their employees, the public WILL pay more for their product to cover the increased cost, the employers will eat the $2K fine and not pass it along to consumers, or what? What’s your point, Keep?

getalife

December 5th, 2012
6:24 pm

nero,

Your knee jerk reaction is wrong.

josef

December 5th, 2012
6:24 pm

getalife

Yeah…the left got a lot of milage out of that one, all right… but you know the way I see that one is that Bibi and Barack are laughing up their sleeves at the gullibility of the press, pundits and politicians in falling hook, line and sinker for their, in my opinion, somewhat brilliant, play of their mutual constituencies to get the support to further their mutual aims…

NERO

Just for the record, getalife is one of the few here who actually pays attention to what’s going on in the ME beyond what the latest memo from the respective “sides” are saying…

pogo

December 5th, 2012
6:24 pm

To read supposed adults calling a two bit political hack in a failing newspaper “Imam” pretty much tells you where America is now at now.

Nero

December 5th, 2012
6:24 pm

JamVet,

We all know your think politics. Go back to defending Obama and the Dems. Moew power to ya. Don’t defend getalife for his obvious jew baiting.

Mick

December 5th, 2012
6:26 pm

astropig

Some very good points about the founders intentions. We had to wait out the ruin of the previous president.

This column has great perspective, whoever said that governing would be as easy as it was in the good ole days (2001-2007)? We all lived through that and the culmination of those policy’s left the world economy teetering!

Nero is correct in one sense, yes, the rich need to pay more in taxes but everyone else should too. A 3.5 increase for the top 2% and 1% from the rest of us, everyone needs to have some skin in deficit reduction…