A little sympathy for Boehner? OK, but just a little
You have to feel a least a little sorry for John Boehner.
In fact, I wouldn’t blame the speaker of the House for wondering what terrible thing he did in some previous life to deserve being handed this budget mess. He finds himself under siege not just by his opponents, which is to be expected, but by his supposed friends as well.
And despite what some of those “friends” would like to believe, this is a battle that Boehner cannot fight and win, and he knows it. The issues at stake in the budget standoff are essentially the same issues fought out during the presidential campaign, and as speaker, Boehner has neither the pulpit nor the firepower to win against Obama where Mitt Romney failed.
That was confirmed by a new poll released Tuesday in which just 27 percent of Americans said they would blame President Obama if budget negotiations fail and the country is forced off the so-called fiscal cliff. Almost twice as many — 53 percent — would blame congressional Republicans. And yes, while Boehner deserves some of the blame for that situation, it is shared by the entire Republican Party. For years, they have celebrated themselves as unbending and uncompromising, making stubborn intransigence a point of party pride.
So they have no right to be dismayed that that’s how the American public has come to see them.
In a belated effort to try to dispel that image, Boehner proposed a budget package Monday that included $800 billion in increased taxes, a step that he and his fellow Republicans had long insisted they would never take. If you overlook the fact that the math doesn’t work — it is impossible to raise the $800 billion in promised revenue through the tax changes offered by Boehner — the proposal does represents a welcome step toward reality.
And for taking that step, Boehner has of course been hammered by those who are supposedly on his side. Sen. Jim DeMint, a South Carolina Republican, said that “Speaker Boehner’s $800 billion tax hike will destroy American jobs and allow politicians in Washington to spend even more, while not reducing our $16 trillion debt by a single penny.” The conservative Heritage Foundation followed suit, calling the Boehner plan “little more than categorical, pre-emptive capitulation.”
And of course, the proposal that conservatives saw as “capitulation” was rejected by Obama as far short of what will be needed in a final deal. The president noted that he ran for re-election on a promise to end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of Americans, and he repeated his insistence that it be included as part of any final package.
Clearly, after years of GOP obstruction, Obama isn’t in the mood to let Boehner off lightly.
In his package, Boehner did make at least two proposals that ought to be seriously considered:
— The speaker advocated a slight change in how future cost-of-living adjustments are made to Social Security benefits, a reform that would affect mainly Social Security recipients who have other sources of income. It’s a change that Obama tentatively agreed to more than a year ago, before negotiations failed. Including it in the final deal would give Boehner political cover as an entitlement reform and would also be good fiscal policy.
— Boehner also proposed saving money by delaying Medicare eligibility from age 65 to age 67. It’s a popular proposal among Republicans, who justify it by pointing out that people are now living longer. However, that isn’t true across the board. Among upper-income, presumably white-collar Americans, the average lifespan of a 60-year-old male has indeed increased by more than six years since 1972. But among lower-income males, it increased by only two years. For those in more physically demanding, lower-income jobs, delaying Medicare coverage would be a real hardship.
Given that increasing lifespan differential, however, it would be perfectly reasonable to charge wealthier Americans slightly higher monthly Medicare premiums, as Boehner proposes. Because that would be scored as an entitlement cut, it would also help Boehner fend off those in his own party who are going to be very unhappy with the deal that is eventually reached.
That too is something Obama has to keep in mind.
– Jay Bookman
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USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
10:30 am
“And despite what some of those “friends” would like to believe, this is a battle that Boehner cannot fight and win, and he knows it. The issues at stake in the budget standoff are essentially the same issues fought out during the presidential campaign, and as speaker, Boehner has neither the pulpit nor the firepower to win against Obama where Mitt Romney failed”
tooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
(and that is the extent of my compassion for Boehner)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
10:31 am
The battle to stop the GOP mindless must still continue
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
10:31 am
The Speaker?
If you meet him, have some courtesy.
Have some sympathy, and some taste.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
10:34 am
Boehner has of course been hammered by those who are supposedly on his side.
anyone actually believe this wasn’t all scripted in advance? “Ok, I’ll propose these piddling loophole changes that supposedly raise revenue, and you’ll call me a RINO on 3…2…1…”
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
10:37 am
A little sympathy for Boehner? OK, but just a little
Bull… If he wants sympathy, he can look in the dictionary between sh*t and syphillis.
He ran for office, and he ran for his current leadership position. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? If he’s just now realizing that his position actually required him to think and govern for all of America, then he should step down if he can’t perform his job. I don’t feel anything for him. I bet he expects me to do my job, regardless of the situation. Likewise, I expect him to do his job.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
10:38 am
— Boehner also proposed saving money by delaying Medicare eligibility from age 65 to age 67. It’s a popular proposal among Republicans, who justify it
by pointing out that people are now living longerbecause they always favor screwing modestly incomed Americans over taxing wealthy ones.FYT.
By the way, that ^^ single “proposal” to raise Medicare eligibility might be the single most politically stupid thing the GOPers will do in 2012. And it has a LOT of competition.
John Boehner’s Holiday Party Snub
December 5th, 2012
10:39 am
As party fouls go, John Boehner’s declining to get his photo taken with President Obama at the White House Christmas soiree is pretty innocuous. It’s not like the Speaker lit up in the Blue Room, or started snacking on the traditional gingerbread White House, or tied one on and began crooning Clarence Carter’s “Backdoor Santa” to FLOTUS. (Although, how fantastic would that have been?)
Nonetheless, Boehner’s photographic demurral—like his ongoing refusal to attend State dinners—stands as yet one more example of the lack of civility and general pettiness that now reign inside the Beltway.
Of course, it also stands as proof that the speaker is no idiot and that he knows all too well that, should a merry grip-and-grin of him and Obama somehow make its way into the public eye during these oh-so-tense fiscal-cliff negotiations, the GOP’s right flank would be all over his perma-tanned hide like a duck on a june bug.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/05/john-boehner-s-holiday-party-snub.html
Look before I leap...
December 5th, 2012
10:40 am
It’s how negotiations and compromise are supposed to work.
2 sides put forward proposals.
Find the common ground and chip away at the rest.
The Dems will have to cave on some things and Boehner will have to corral the Norquistians.
I am going to send the man a carton of Luckie Strikes – he is gonna need them.
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
10:41 am
dB: Nice catch lol. They played the worst cover of that tune I have ever heard on Sons of Anarchy last night. (They say Janes addiction, but I’m not sure).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt0ipUCfdlU
DannyX
December 5th, 2012
10:41 am
Poor Boehner, you know he has had to have had at least 40-50 good cries over this.
bookman parrot
December 5th, 2012
10:49 am
yo Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
10:37 am
Take a sedative dude! It is your beloved Bookman that said give a little sympathy (probably in jest) and not Boehner asking for it.
I do love your statement about personal responsibility. That is a hoot. A large portion of the voters for BHO, have no clue about that concept and voted for gov’t to take care of them….
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
December 5th, 2012
10:50 am
Poor Old John.
STUPID LIBERAL
December 5th, 2012
10:50 am
Obama wants to go over the cliff, I read the article on yahoo. The liberals never lie.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
10:50 am
They played the worst cover of that tune I have ever heard on Sons of Anarchy last night.
I’ll have to take your word for it.
Unless you’re just learning how to put chords and solos together in your first-ever band, I think that’s one of those tunes nobody should be permitted to cover.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
10:51 am
A large portion of the voters for BHO, have no clue about that concept
not intended to be a factual statement.
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
10:52 am
bookman parrot
December 5th, 2012
10:49 am
yo Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
10:37 am
Take a sedative dude! It is your beloved Bookman that said give a little sympathy (probably in jest) and not Boehner asking for it.
I do love your statement about personal responsibility. That is a hoot. A large portion of the voters for BHO, have no clue about that concept and voted for gov’t to take care of them….
+++++++++++++++++++
Poor parrot. His FOXBOT lies were rejected by the AMerican voters yet after years of Rush, Neal, and FOX it’s all he knows so he has to repeat the same tired old lies, over and over again. It must be sad being him…….. Everyday is Groundhog day……… despite his hate and rage, six o’clock comes every day for him……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt4JXKUv5MQ
STUPID LIBERAL
December 5th, 2012
10:52 am
where do I sign up for my Obama check ?
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
10:54 am
STUPID LIBERAL
December 5th, 2012
10:52 am
where do I sign up for my Obama check ?
+++++++++++++++++++++
Here:
http://www.indeed.com/q-Structural-Engineer-jobs.html
STUPID LIBERAL
December 5th, 2012
10:55 am
lol that is too funny Fred lol
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
10:55 am
Brosephus — “Bull… If he wants sympathy, he can look in the dictionary between sh*t and syphillis.”
Agreed. Let him eat some of the pewp sandwich he’s been serving to the President the last couple of years.
Republicans, you’re about to get rolled again, just like you did on Election Day. And the beauty part is that most of y’all have no idea whatsoever that it’s about to happen. Better try to cobble together a deal the President will go for, or else you can eat all that nice, delicious scorn the majority of the electorate has saved up for you.
Meet the President instead of insisting he meet you — or else watch your support dwindle even further.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
10:55 am
Speaking of the Speaker–I gotta say, I think this beloved ‘toon from two years back, now seems rather quaint.
And that is a very good thing.
STUPID LIBERAL
December 5th, 2012
10:55 am
Fred,
Not a single listing in the Atlanta area.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
10:57 am
“stands as yet one more example of the lack of civility and general pettiness”
yep.
sounds like the new-style GOP to me.
Erwin's cat
December 5th, 2012
10:57 am
I think the orchestrated plan all along is/was to go over the cliff and then blame the other side
getalife
December 5th, 2012
10:58 am
The crybaby handed out the checks on the house floor stupid.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
10:59 am
Take a sedative dude! It is your beloved Bookman that said give a little sympathy (probably in jest) and not Boehner asking for it.
Why should I take a sedative? If you don’t like what I said, then skip over it. That doesn’t change the fact that Boehner made the explicit decisions that put him in the position that he’s in. As a taxpayer, I simply ask that he perform the job that I’m paying him to perform. If he can’t do it, then step down and let someone else do the job.
I do love your statement about personal responsibility. That is a hoot. A large portion of the voters for BHO, have no clue about that concept and voted for gov’t to take care of them….
You know, GlaxoSmithKlein is doing clinicals on this new drug called Bhofloxin. They claim it treats Obama Derangement Syndrome. You should sign up to be part of the clinical. Maybe that will help with your ODS as nobody has said a friggin’ thing about what you’re ranting about. Why don’t you grow up and talk like an adult. You know, do the whole personal responsibility thing instead of blaming your issues on everybody else but you.
Shar
December 5th, 2012
10:59 am
@decibels, I couldn’t have quoted better.
I do have some sympathy for Boehner, although it’s limited. His party went chasing after the Tea Partiers with ramped up rhetoric, Last Stand metaphors and finger-pointing accusations of political and moral turpitude, and now he’s stuck with crazy people clustering around him demanding the impossible and the rest of the populace turning their backs.
I think Boehner showed his natural ability to think and compromise when he put together his deal with Obama, but after being shelled by his howling masses he backed himself into Intransigence Corner and there is no way out.
Now there’s talk that the DOA proposal Boehner delivered has the potential to split the Republican caucus, which would be a very good thing. Marginalizing the lunatic fringe would give the traditional fiscal conservatives room to manoeuvre and bring a sensible perspective to the negotiations with Obama. Boehner may not survive it, but that’s what you get when you move next door to the Asylum and you leave your house wide open with hot cookies on the table.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
11:00 am
This crisis was invented by the gop so I have no pity for self inflicted bs.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
December 5th, 2012
11:00 am
I suspect the closer this gets, there will be more signatures to get the bill to extend tax cuts for all but those making > 250K out of committee and force a vote on it. If all the dems sign on and enough of the lame duck GOP congressmen join in, there will be enough to force the vote.
deegee
December 5th, 2012
11:03 am
John Boehner has been in Washington since 1991. He has had 21 years to figure this out. From 1995 to 1999 he served as House Republican Conference Chairman. He served as the House Minority Leader from 2007 until 2011, and House Majority Leader from 2006 until 2007. On November 17, 2010, Boehner was unanimously chosen by the House Republicans as their nominee for Speaker. What is his problem? He has plenty of friends. Why can’t he use his political popularity to get a deal on the fiscal cliff?
oops
December 5th, 2012
11:03 am
being a white collar desk jockey is still hazardous to your health
spending billions to protect everyone under the perhaps false assumption that a minority few need extra protection is fiscally stupid
oops
December 5th, 2012
11:06 am
got your parachute yet?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
December 5th, 2012
11:06 am
Anybody heard what the status is of Leader Pelosi’s
discharge petition?
one and only
December 5th, 2012
11:07 am
hey scott, read joannie and jims facebook, good column and needed for our education system
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
11:08 am
Pelosi’s discharge petition?
that can’t possibly be as nasty as it sounds.
Mick
December 5th, 2012
11:09 am
Speaker of the house, not the republican house, the whole house; Is the boehner the best man for this job? Republicans are garnering more disrespect as a party, daily…
Logical Dude
December 5th, 2012
11:10 am
Mr Boehner: advocated a slight change in how future cost-of-living adjustments are made to Social Security benefits,. . .
proposed saving money by delaying Medicare eligibility from age 65 to age 67″
Finally. Two huge entitlement changes that are needed.
Jay: “it would be perfectly reasonable to charge wealthier Americans slightly higher monthly Medicare premiums”
Exactly.
People will have reductions in benefits, and people will have to pay more. It’s all part of the journey to fiscal responsibility.
Now, once we are on our way out of debt, then we can adjust taxes again, since we won’t have to pay all those interest payments, but until then, we have to pay what we owe.
Now, where are all those defense cuts that we are all looking for?
CJ
December 5th, 2012
11:12 am
The speaker advocated a slight change in how future cost-of-living adjustments are made to Social Security benefits, a reform that would affect mainly Social Security recipients who have other sources of income. It’s a change that Obama tentatively agreed to more than a year ago, before negotiations failed. Including it in the final deal would give Boehner political cover as an entitlement reform and would also be good fiscal policy.
Is Jay talking about going to a chained CPI? If so, then Bernie Sanders lays out the effects on his site:
“Under the chained CPI, the average senior who retires at age 65 would see their Social Security benefits cut by about $560 a year when they reach 75 and by about $1,000 a year once they turn 85. At the beginning of 2012, the average Social Security benefit for a retired worker was $14,760 per year.
The chained CPI would also substantially cut the VA benefits of more than 3 million veterans. The largest cuts would impact young, permanently disabled veterans who were seriously wounded in combat. According to the Social Security Administration, the chained CPI would mean that permanently disabled veterans who started receiving VA disability benefits at age 30 would see their benefits cut by more than $1,300 a year at age 45; $1,800 a year at age 55; and $2,260 a year at age 65.”
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=87B3DFB8-4195-4577-A7C8-5ED4E69251E2
Social Security is not in crisis and not contributing to our deficits. Nevertheless, if we want to dramatically extend the life the trust fund, then we could simply convert the Social Security tax from a regressive tax to a flat tax by eliminating the payroll caps. No benefit cuts, and the non-crisis is solved.
Elections Have Consequences
December 5th, 2012
11:12 am
The poll numbers speak volumes. Obama will continue to push for higher taxes, and no real spending reform, because he can. The media will, of course, willingly comply.
I wouldn’t feel sorry for Boehner, but for the country as a whole. We’re all paying the price for the current lack of leadership, starting with Obama.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
11:12 am
I’d like to see some analysis of the GOP’s “CPI reform” – what does it mean? are they reforming the basket of goods? are they reforming how CPI/COLA is applied?
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11:12 am
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East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
December 5th, 2012
11:12 am
Pelosi’s discharge petition is what I was referring to in my previous post. I think I heard on NPR news they had over a hundred either yesterday or the day before. Well short of what is needed but I expect more to get on board as the deadline gets closer.
Jackie
December 5th, 2012
11:13 am
Rep. Boehner (R-OH) was elected speaker of the house by the Republican majority; he is the legislative leader of the elected majority.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
11:13 am
CJ – 11:12 – thanks for that – it’s the first explanation I’ve seen
Logical Dude
December 5th, 2012
11:13 am
Plus, one more item:
For Medicare, for younger people looking for that retirement age changing. . . it probably won’t matter at all. Federal medical care will evolve into Medicare for all (or whatever name it will be used in 20-30 years). We will have cradle to grave medical care like (almost?) all of the other modern industrial nations. Once we, as a nation make living more important than killing (by reducing “defense” spending, and creating “health” spending), then we will be on our way to more prosperity again.
/driveby
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!
December 5th, 2012
11:14 am
Fiscal clif, scmishcal piff…there ain’t gonna be no going over the fiscal cliff. Don’t you know the world is going to end on the 21st? :”lol:
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
11:14 am
it would be perfectly reasonable to charge wealthier Americans slightly higher monthly Medicare premiums, as Boehner proposes.
expanded means-testing of Medicare benefits nets you next to nothing, short term, and like the payroll tax deduction, will means long-term unpleasantness (and that is putting it mildly.)
Do not want.
MANGLER
December 5th, 2012
11:14 am
I haven’t heard anyone on any side mention this:
If spending cuts will cause another recession, then the Government is too large a part of the overall economy in the first place.
So let the cuts happen, the economy will shrink a little, and then the gaps will be slowly but surely filled in by the private sector. Look, the Government has been shedding jobs by the hundreds of thousands for 4 years now. They’ve just been doing that slowly so as not to shake things up too much too quick. It’s the same reason banks have been shedding foreclosed properties slowly, so as not to totally derail everything all at once. We may be at a point where a sudden jolt less Government spending (and fewer Government jobs) won’t sink the ship, just make it lilt a little.
St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014
December 5th, 2012
11:16 am
lock the door, Barack. Don’t come out til Jan 2nd.
i wish us libs could grow a killer instinct
di-di-didi-di
we have the technology
the bionic liberal
Thomas heyward Jr
December 5th, 2012
11:16 am
Admit it………..for the country’s sake.
Those who espouse freedom, personal liberty, a limited government, AND the rule of law…………but STILL would vote for the Republican party ran by the likes of Boehnor, McConnel, Cantor, Chambliss, Issackson ad naseum……..are really only frightened folks who are ONLY smart enough to be aware of shame therefore they will never admit to being democrats.
.
But democrats they are.
aka immoral ….control freak…aggressive violent……statist parasites.
.
Acknowledgement of your problem is the first step.
.
Napolitano/Block 2016.
CJ
December 5th, 2012
11:18 am
“Given that increasing lifespan differential, however, it would be perfectly reasonable to charge wealthier Americans slightly higher monthly Medicare premiums, as Boehner proposes.”
This proposal is also entirely unnecessary. We could save $200 or $300 hundred billion more if we would simply allow Medicare to bargain for prescription drug prices. But the party whose mission is to “enrich the rich” would prefer to cut benefits (or raise premiums) on seniors than do anything that would frustrate their corporate base.
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 5th, 2012
11:19 am
The Speaker is backed into a corner. Nothing he does will make anyone happy and it seems that regardless of what he does the Republican Party will look like the loser in this contest. He should grow a pair and do what is right for this nation – Country First not the Party. Pass the President’s plan now!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
11:19 am
“If spending cuts will cause another recession, then the Government is too large a part of the overall economy in the first place.”
(sigh)
you just don’t get it, do you.
1) Let’s say that you’re laying off 100 people. That’s 100 more people in the workforce – when corporations aren’t hiring to begin with. It’s not that government is too big, you’re just adding more rain to the ground that’s already saturated.
2) Government buys stuff, too – everything from paper to ink to software licensing to post-its. They cut back, suppliers feel it.
3) When programs for the poor are cut, that’s the biggest impact on consumer spending – why? because they have a higher marginal propensity to spend than the rich do.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
December 5th, 2012
11:19 am
Here is what I could find on the discharge petition:
http://clerk.house.gov/112/lrc/pd/petitions/DisPet0006.xml
If all house dems sign they only need 25 repugs to break ranks.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
11:20 am
Its always the republicans fault. That theme is like a broken record on this blog. What boehner should do is just go along completely with whatever Obama wants. Then when the economy collapses precisely because Obama got everything he wanted then perhaps a modicum of reality will hit the libs and they will reach the obvious conclusion that his policies just don’t work. Then again they would probably go orweillian when obamas policies fail and blame the republicans for going along with obamas policies to begin with. Such is life in kook world on the Bookman blog.
TaxPayer
December 5th, 2012
11:20 am
Republicans made their mark all right and I think it only fitting that Obama insist that they clean up their own stains. Nothing like a little elbow grease to get the job done.
jconservative
December 5th, 2012
11:21 am
Everyone relax!
Taxes on 100% of taxpayers are going to go up on 1/1/2013. No member of the House or Senate has to vote on anything. It is a done deal.
And also on that day spending is going to be cut by $2 trillion over the next 10 years. No member of the House or Senate has to vote on anything. It is a done deal.
No member of Congress has to “cave in” to the other side or break any pledges and look bad to the folks back home.
And the beauty of the deal is that it was done in bi-partisan votes in both the House and Senate over a 9 month period.
St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014
December 5th, 2012
11:21 am
“Don’t you know the world is going to end on the 21st? :”lol:”
kinda, ‘Corb’ buddy. And, the world is BEGINNING on the 21st too.
STUPID LIBERAL
December 5th, 2012
11:23 am
What are you going to do with your smaller paychecks beginning Jan. 1st ?
TaxPayer
December 5th, 2012
11:24 am
I’m sure Republicans have their own polls showing that things are not as bad for them as reality dictates.
N-GA (on the winning side 2 federal elections in a row!)
December 5th, 2012
11:24 am
There are those who cannot wait to rub Boehner’s nose in his mess……
Wait a minute
December 5th, 2012
11:24 am
Master Bookman,
There’s no need to mince words, the current and the preceding Speaker of the House are two of the worst, if not two worst, of the 20th-21st centuries. No need to defend them
Both Mister Speaker and Mister President (shucks, we went through an entire presidential election without the topic seriously being discussed) are gnawing at the outer, outer edges of a massive problem. Neither of them deserved re-election based on their stunningly poor records and complete lack of leadership. Chimps with abacuses have shown more mathematical prowess than these two.
CJ
December 5th, 2012
11:25 am
We need jobs jconservative. Millions are still out of work, and raising taxes on consumers (the poor and middle class) and cutting spending while the private sector is still on soft ground is likely to lead a double-dip recession. Hence the “fiscal cliff”–Bernanke’s term.
Actually, the best way to reduce the deficit is the same way that Clinton did so, and Obama has done so over the last four years (yes, he inherited a $1.4 trillion deficit)…grow the economy by putting Americans back to work.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
11:25 am
“What boehner should do is just go along completely with whatever Obama wants.”
well, that would be nice … but in lieu of that, he should at the very least do what the people want.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
December 5th, 2012
11:26 am
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2012#Republicans , there are enough lame duck repugs who do not have to fear party retribution and could sign on to the discharge petition.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
11:31 am
Going over the fiscal cliff? just remember libs. You voted for it.
alex
December 5th, 2012
11:31 am
Repubs will nedd to make concession on top wage earners, as for the entitlement cuts, need more as Krugman has said. ACA will cover those with difficulty in transition to higher age cut-off for medicare. Aside from all the BS by many on this blog the soon to be tax increase for ALL if no agreement is made will be a COLD shower.” Yep, it’s the Reupbs fault”–yep but the MIDDLE class is still paying more taxes—”but it’s not my fault”, everybody needs to wake up and work toward an agreement or the W in the economic recession world will be in play….Cute comebacks won’t work….
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
11:32 am
If spending cuts will cause another recession, then the Government is too large a part of the overall economy in the first place.
So let the cuts happen, the economy will shrink a little, and then the gaps will be slowly but surely filled in by the private sector.
I guess you don’t realize that the government has basically been the consumer of last resort for the last 4 years. That last part about the gaps being filled in by the private sector is nothing more than wishful dreaming. If that were the case, the private sector could have began filling in the gaps in March 2009 instead of holding on to everything as though the world will end in 2 weeks.
The best possible outcome for us would have been if our elected officials has prioritized jobs/careers more than they prioritized dysfunction. More people working and earning decent wages means less people depending on government for welfare. That also means more revenues coming to the government in taxes to cover everything from Medicaid, Social Security, and defense spending. Instead, we have a ruling class that’s concerned with wealth hoarding and have bought and paid for the best government they could that would help them hoard their wealth.
Whatever
December 5th, 2012
11:33 am
Listen to yourselves. You want your elected leaders to work together to find good solutions but you come on here and talk to each other like trash. You talk about your elected leaders like trash. It will never work.
We need to pull together and find some common ground. A great way to do that is start with yourself. We’ll never solve these issues if we can’t work and live together.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
11:33 am
“Going over the fiscal cliff? just remember libs. You voted for it.”
oh, get off it, bitter boy.
we voted to INCREASE REVENUES as well as cut spending – we’ve met halfway. If Boehner wants to be a bonehead, then it’s on your side of the aisle.
TaxPayer
December 5th, 2012
11:33 am
Where are all the Tea Party twits these days.
Dawg Man
December 5th, 2012
11:34 am
Liberals, especially this columnist & his blind followers, are so sad when it comes to their partisanship. (BTW—I’m not going to lie to you and say that this is a “little sympathy” because it is not.)
Whatever
December 5th, 2012
11:35 am
USink,
Should our elected leaders always “do what the people want.”? I don’t think that’s a recipe for leadership. Just think back in time at all the bad things that were “what the people wanted.”
No, we need leaders who will make the best decisions apart from politics.
DannyX
December 5th, 2012
11:37 am
“No, we need leaders who will make the best decisions apart from politics.”
Now that’s cute.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
11:38 am
“Should our elected leaders always “do what the people want.”?”
Hrm. So, I wonder why they’re called Representatives … hrmmmmmmm
Whatever
December 5th, 2012
11:38 am
DannyX,
It may be cute but is it wrong?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
11:39 am
Ahh, the stupidity of the “you always blame Republicans” false meme followed by the blame the Dems meme.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
11:40 am
“It may be cute but is it wrong?”
hopelessly naive is what it is.
Whatever
December 5th, 2012
11:40 am
USink,
They represent the people but that doesn’t mean they do everything the people want. What if the people really want the government to give them money without having to work. Should they do that?
St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014
December 5th, 2012
11:40 am
“Tea Potty II is gonna DWARF Tea Potty I”
- Grover & Rush Jefferson, titular heads of the Republican Pahhty
Elections Have Consequences
December 5th, 2012
11:40 am
Can someone outline these so-called ’spending cuts’ please? Without including costs savings from eliminating military action or the Medicare cuts to fund the ACA.
Whatever
December 5th, 2012
11:40 am
USink,
I’ll keep fighting for naivety while the current system keeps putting us down the tubes.
Jefferson
December 5th, 2012
11:41 am
Doom if you speak like a politician, you will be thought of like one.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
11:41 am
According to the Social Security Administration, the chained CPI would mean that permanently disabled veterans who started receiving VA disability benefits at age 30 would see their benefits cut by more than $1,300 a year at age 45; $1,800 a year at age 55; and $2,260 a year at age 65.”
But the skimmer-class feels uncertain and unloved, so we need to screw those moochers. Apparently.
oops
December 5th, 2012
11:41 am
everything is going to be fine
stop worrying
we have obamacare to take care of us
oops
December 5th, 2012
11:42 am
“we voted to INCREASE REVENUES as well as cut spending – we’ve met halfway.”
four pinocchios
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
11:44 am
It may be cute but is it wrong?
In our current hyperpartisaned, instant gratification seeking society, it’s wishful thinking.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
December 5th, 2012
11:45 am
We will never make it to the edge of the cliff considering the world will end in 15 days. But if the Mayan calendar is wrong, then I will start my Christmas shopping.
Whatever
December 5th, 2012
11:45 am
Bro,
It may be but that’s why we need to fight for it. We are screwed if we keep up this partisan bickering on the budget.
Doggone/GA
December 5th, 2012
11:45 am
“So, I wonder why they’re called Representatives ”
Because the “represent” the voters, they don’t neccessarily parrot them. But of course, to even do what the “voters want” you have to have some idea of WHAT they want. And, like it or not voters, some of you are going to get NO for an answer.
Jack ®
December 5th, 2012
11:48 am
I’m gonna try to do away with this cliff thing. I’m gonna try to do away with the sort of angst that Bookman and his cadre suffer…I’m talking about this inequity thing. Been thinking about opening a shoe store. I realize it won’t be my store; it’ll be a government store. But anyway. When the store is opened, I’ll hire some unemployed folks that have absolutely no shoe store experience. My equipment and beginning inventory will be purchased with a government loan that I never intend to repay. When it appears that I’m making too much money, I’ll raise the pay of the shoe clerks; I’ll pay for their insurance, their cell phones, their lunches, their contraceptives, give ‘em some gas money. All that stuff. Maybe throw in some rent money. Why not? I won’t have to worry because the government will be monitoring my bank account and when the cash gets low, the’ll send some more money. The only thing that worries me is, again, that I may be making too much money, so I’ll just cut the shoe prices in half and that’ll drive my competitors crazy. I might open ten stores and run ‘em as a proprietor; don’t want to upset anybody being one of those old ugly corporations, y’know.
jconservative
December 5th, 2012
11:48 am
“We need jobs jconservative. Millions are still out of work, and raising taxes on consumers (the poor and middle class) and cutting spending while the private sector is still on soft ground is likely to lead a double-dip recession.”
“Going over the fiscal cliff? just remember libs. You voted for it.”
Please. Let’s give proper credit to those who deserve it. The Tax Increases scheduled for 1/1/2013 were voted into law in the House by 139 Democrats and 138 Republicans. In the Senate it was 43 Democrats and 37 Republicans voting to raise taxes on 1/1/2013. So both parties get equal amount of glory.
The spending cuts going into effect 1/1/2013 were also the result of a bi-partisan vote. The Budget Control Act of 2011 passed the with 174 Republican Yeas and 95 Democratic Yeas. In the Senate it was 45 Democrats and 28 Republicans voting Yea.
So let’s be sure we give both parties their deserved credit for the coming additional revenue and reduced spending.
Matti
December 5th, 2012
11:48 am
stands for decibels @ 10:31,
DannyX
December 5th, 2012
11:49 am
Average Republican on fiscal cliff…
Question: Why aren’t Americans blaming Obama for the failed fiscal cliff talks.
Republican voter: I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation don’t have jobs and, uh, I believe that our job creators like such as in Greece and, uh, the Europe, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our jobs over HERE in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should be like Greece and shouldn’t help the Greekian and the European countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children and such as the taxes be cut and Obama phones.
alex
December 5th, 2012
11:50 am
Us in UK, please provide specfics of spending cuts that were voted for, thanks.
TaxPayer
December 5th, 2012
11:50 am
And, like it or not voters, some of you are going to get NO for an answer.
And probably nowhere close to 47% of them.
oops
December 5th, 2012
11:50 am
dynamic stadium chart for the graphically inclined
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-12/who-pays-stadiums-infographic
tom gambeski
December 5th, 2012
11:51 am
Bookman,along with most liberals,understands how this country has become the richest most powerful country in history they just can’t face the fact that government had nothing to do with this amazing success.
Crony capitalists like Warren Buffet will pay fractionally more then the 10 percent he now pays if Obama succeeds in raising tax rates on the rich.
Buffets income is derived from his taking advantage of our antiquated “progressive tax code” which enables the rich toderive their income from low dividend and capital gains paying stocks.
Eliminating those rates for cronies like Warren Buffet would deprive Obama of the funds and support he receives from them.
Obama’s premise that raising tax rates on 2 % of the population will reduce our deficits in any meaningful way is a smoke screen that covers his quest for near dictatorial control of our government.
Unfortunately there’s never a shortage of “useful idiots” who are willing to blindly support such an obvious pursuit of power and control by a President, and that is so obviously ignored by the main stream press,is it ignorance,fanaticism,ideology or just plane stupid?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
11:51 am
“They represent the people but that doesn’t mean they do everything the people want. What if the people really want the government to give them money without having to work. Should they do that?”
what if the people want a pony?
how about let’s stick with the real world, shall we??
you vote for people who (theoretically) agree with your pov – therefore, (as long as what they are proposing is constitutional), they should listen to the people who put them into office.
in this case – the people have spoken – they want tax increases as well as spending cuts. Boehner will ignore that desire at his peril.
Alan Sprague
December 5th, 2012
11:51 am
No sympathy for someone who doe’s not respect our President!!!
Doggone/GA
December 5th, 2012
11:51 am
“Us in UK, please provide specfics of spending cuts that were voted for, thanks”
Hate to break it to you, but Google still works
Matti
December 5th, 2012
11:52 am
DannyX @ 11:49,
Y’all are on a roll today!
Doggone/GA
December 5th, 2012
11:53 am
“you vote for people who (theoretically) agree with your pov – therefore, (as long as what they are proposing is constitutional), they should listen to the people who put them into office”
There’s a disconnect here: “in this case – the people have spoken – they want tax increases as well as spending cuts. Boehner will ignore that desire at his peril”
I doubt Boehner was voted into office by the people described in your sedond sentence. So maybe he IS “listening to the people” who put HIM in office.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
11:55 am
It may be but that’s why we need to fight for it. We are screwed if we keep up this partisan bickering on the budget.
That’s where you and I differ. I want them to continue this bickering all the way to Jan 2nd. Then, America will have to wake up to the fact that we have collectively gotten exactly what we asked for.
The people making these decisions did not win the lottery to get those positions. They were elected by voters. Congress has a popularity rating worse than the rug on Donald Trump’s head, yet the re-election rate for that same group hovers between 80% and 90%. The disconnect is not with the elected officials. The disconnect rests squarely on the shoulders of the American voter.
This is nothing more than the seeds of our labor coming to harvest.
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 5th, 2012
11:55 am
I think the Republicans should just give in and pass everything the President asks for. If things don’t improve then they get to say we told you so and if they do improve then they can say they should be equal credit for the improvements.
I know that’s a pipe dream but hey, why not. If things go as badly as all the righties here and in Congress say they will then it won’t take too long to find out. My guess is the right is afraid that Obama’s plans will work and in fact they know they will. That is why they are blocking everything.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
11:57 am
I have no pity for the cons or their failed party.
They built this self inflicted bs.
Deal with your self inflicted damage gop and stop crying about it.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 5th, 2012
11:57 am
Let the tax cuts expire as planned and then put in a middle class tax cut in January.
easy peasy nice and squeezy
Mr. Snarky
December 5th, 2012
11:58 am
I love it when the cons complain that Obama doesn’t fold like a house of cards after winning the election. “Hey, he’s using our negotiating tactics against us! No fair!”
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
11:59 am
Bookman,along with most liberals,understands how this country has become the richest most powerful country in history they just can’t face the fact that government had nothing to do with this amazing success.
Boy is the stoopids strong there…
I’m sure Afghanistan, Somalia, and Yemen are just poised to explode onto the world economic scene as they have that same 19th Century look and feel that the US had right before our industrial revolution.
alex
December 5th, 2012
11:59 am
@ Doggone/ga…don’t understand your response to my question to USinUK
?to USin UK: What cuts where voted on, please be specific, thanks…
Peadawg
December 5th, 2012
12:00 pm
“However, that isn’t true across the board”
Has life expectancy gone down for anyone? Right after that sentence, Jay, you said 1 group went up 6 and one group went up 2. They both went up. So how is it not true across the board?
Medicare age from 65 -> 67 is a no-brainer.
TaxPayer
December 5th, 2012
12:00 pm
Let the fiscal cliffs begin! But not before I buy stock in The Fainting Couch Co. Republicans are gonna need a lot of them.
CJ
December 5th, 2012
12:00 pm
So let’s be sure we give both parties their deserved credit for the coming additional revenue and reduced spending.
jconservative,
Let’s not. If you paid attention, then you would know that both the tax extension for the top rates and the Budget Control Act were ransom paid by the Democrats to Republicans. The hostage for the tax extension for the rich was tax extensions for everybody else, the START (nuclear reduction) Treaty, ending Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, payroll tax cuts, unemployment extensions and host of other legislation that Republicans promised to block up-or-down votes on unless they got an extension of the Bush tax cuts for the rich. The hostage for the Budget Control Act was the debt ceiling (i.e., the world economy).
Context matters.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
12:02 pm
CJ — “Is Jay talking about going to a chained CPI? If so, then Bernie Sanders lays out the effects on his site”
Thank you very much for this. I’m deeply interested in veterans’ issues (full disclosure: I’m a disabled Army veteran, but I don’t take compensation for my disability), but I was completely unaware of this. I appreciate you posting it, CJ.
St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014
December 5th, 2012
12:02 pm
Let’s be clear.
Barack Obama can destroy the Repunklican pahhty in 4 weeks,
if they don’t “Darwin” themselves out first.
And after the way those party-first treasonous punks have treated
him (and us) I hope he does. It would be a just, deserved karma.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 5th, 2012
12:03 pm
Boehner hasn’t turned on the waterworks in a while. He needs to explore that tool a bit.
Mr Right
December 5th, 2012
12:03 pm
The tax increases Obama wants would fund the Dems thirst for spending for what, about eight days? Them big bad rich people just need to pay their fair share is just a class warfare thing and not a thing about solving our money problems! Obama thinks he can continue to drive a wedge between the American people but inspite of his succes so far in the end it will backfire. One can’t continue to point fingers at others when the problems continue to grow and expect the people to believe you.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
12:04 pm
Because the cultures of Somalia, Yemen,.and afg. lend themselves so well to a prosperous economy. Geez.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
12:04 pm
alex –
teh goog is your friend …
here’s just one example of the budget cuts that Obama has already made
http://www.govtech.com/policy-management/Obamas-Budget-Cuts-Fed-IT-586-Million.html
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 5th, 2012
12:04 pm
government had nothing to do with this amazing success.
Cause capitalism works so well without personal property laws and a patent system!
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
12:05 pm
I see that Tweedledum was lecturing on stupidity. Oh but the irony…
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
12:07 pm
Breaking: Jazz legend Dave Brubeck dead at 91.
CJ
December 5th, 2012
12:07 pm
Joe Hussein Mama,
No problem. You might enjoy this video on the subject too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWiSJVtTZ8Q
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 5th, 2012
12:08 pm
One can’t continue to point fingers at others when the problems continue to grow and expect the people to believe you.
oh, the irony…..
TaxPayer
December 5th, 2012
12:09 pm
The 2% were overheard exclaiming, “If I have to go down then I’m taking the poor people down with me!” To which the poor exclaimed, “Hey you idiots, we’re already down here!” Anyway, if Republicans want a sustainable reduction in their tax burden, the answer is actually quite simple–create jobs. Preferably ones that pay better than poverty wage though. Which reminds me, whatever became of that Republican 2010 jobs campaign. Did it just sorta fizzle.
Old Goober
December 5th, 2012
12:09 pm
Let’s go off the cliff. Maybe people will discover that doing so isn’t as bad as people think. And let’s face it, the revenue from an increase in taxes on the wealthy alone won’t come close to closing the deficit. Now that it’s been proven that lowering tax rates doesn’t even come close to paying for the tax break, let alone the fiction that lowering taxes creates jobs, we need a dose of reality. And we don’t need to be stealing even more from Social Security contributions. Let everybody pay the full rate.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 5th, 2012
12:09 pm
Dave Brubeck
Time Out is a good album
Jefferson
December 5th, 2012
12:09 pm
I see no reason to belive the GOP approach would work anyway, has everyone forgot what a mess 2008 was after they ran the gov’t for 8 years.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
12:11 pm
JHM
Wow…
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
12:12 pm
CJ — “No problem. You might enjoy this video on the subject too.”
I can’t watch it here due to network security restrictions, but I’ll be sure to view it tonight. Thanks much!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
12:13 pm
“Jazz legend Dave Brubeck dead at 91.”
91 – wow … he had good innings …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faJE92phKzI
TaxPayer
December 5th, 2012
12:13 pm
I see no reason to belive the GOP approach would work anyway, has everyone forgot what a mess 2008 was after they ran the gov’t for 8 years.
Not everyone, just the Republicans.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
12:14 pm
“Take Five”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLF46JKkCNg
Rockerbabe
December 5th, 2012
12:18 pm
Nancy Pelosi where are you?
alex
December 5th, 2012
12:19 pm
@UKinUS in my field 90-95% of the information is incorrect when searched on the internet
600 million is not peanuts to any single person or state ,but interms of the deficeit, it is, reference Krugman on the proposed Medicare cuts that are in the 1000’s of Billion and are inadequate to meet the need ( see npr interview). These cuts don’t do a thing and are not serious . Please reference Billions of $ cuts proposed, then we’re talking and NO , I’m not letting the repubs off the hook, tax increases will have to occur. You want to fall off the cliff, march forward like lemmings, I have saved, my job, after 17 years of education and training is secure , I don’t like it-but I can cover increased taxes without much pain, I hope the same can be said for all you with the cute,empty remarks,..FORWARD….
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 5th, 2012
12:20 pm
beat ya bro!!!
appleseed
December 5th, 2012
12:20 pm
Bush-whacked and pushed over the cliff.Remember who voted for it.Not Dems.
nobodyyouknow
December 5th, 2012
12:22 pm
who my baby’s daddy mothers. Come on folks I wish we could help EVERYBODY that needs help, but we don’t have the money. And JAY I have asked you before “can you tell us one government entitle-ment program that is NOT BROKE?” You never reply. Those politicians in Washington live like KINGS on our money. But just as long as they give handouts to some needy people they will always get re-elected. And America falls off the CLIFF. GOD HELP US ALL!
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
12:23 pm
Brosephus — “Take Five”
So simple and yet so complex. No wonder it’s an international jazz classic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Five
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
12:25 pm
USinner
alex
December 5th, 2012
12:25 pm
oops, 100’s of billions, ……….1000’s of Billions would be trillions (THE defiect)
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
12:26 pm
Jay and his fellow Democrats are correct that going off the fiscal cliff will make the Republicans very unpopular with a large segment of voters. What Obama and all of his followers seemingly fail to understand is that when the financial pain hits everyone the focus will start making the president and the entire congress very unpopular. The president who enjoyed strong support from the uninformed voters that the Democrats succeeded in transporting to the polls will begin to be extremely unhappy when they feel declining federal government assistance. Hopefully the Republicans will have the necessary courage to not give in to Obama and let him make the choice between disapproval from his radical left wing base or share with the Republicans along with his fellow Democrats the wrath of the greater American public. Maybe a little taste of Greece might be the wake up call for the public to fully understand the financial mess this country is really in.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
12:27 pm
But just as long as they give handouts to some needy people they will always get re-elected
Hmmm… I know corporations are people but now the military complex and big corps are “needy people”?
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
12:28 pm
Finn,
I see that scope and perspective still escapes some libs. Nobody is saying we don’t need any gubment. We have to have govt for defense, police, judiciary, and other essential functions. What we don’t need is a bloated federal gubment that now is 25% of gdp. The bigger it gets the less prosperous we are. And yes. Unbridled capitalism combined with strong personal property rights and liberty is what rocketed this country into being the worlds greatest power in a mere 150 years our so. That and a limited govt. Seems libs haven’t the foggiest damn clue what made this nation great. They seem to have some sort of twisted mental notion that gubment is what made this nation great. Go figure.
Flag
December 5th, 2012
12:29 pm
Look at all the Liberal NUTS coming out. Another example of why this country is so screwed up! Give me, Give me, Give me
getalife
December 5th, 2012
12:29 pm
I tried to help the kooks from the right so I don’t feel guilty about their demise.
The can commit political suicide if they want to, it is a free country.
Let them self destruct and move on.
e11iswyatt
December 5th, 2012
12:29 pm
You folks just don’t get it. Can you guess whom said this only six years ago?
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies… That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities.”
Turn off DWTS and pay attention. This isn’t a Red problem or a Blue problem. Reap what you sow, folks.
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Flag
December 5th, 2012
12:32 pm
Where can I get my Obumma phone?!?!?! Entittlements!!!! I want free guberment stuff too!
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
12:33 pm
Doom — “Unbridled capitalism combined with strong personal property rights and liberty is what”
Caused the Great Depression.
You can look at the last 150 years if you want. I prefer to look at the 35 years between 1930 and 1965, which is when government stepped in to do what society and business couldn’t or wouldn’t do on their own. THAT’S when we *truly* became great, moving up from an also-ran regional power in WWI to one of the unquestioned great world powers in WWII.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
12:34 pm
What Obama and all of his followers seemingly fail to understand is that when the financial pain hits everyone the focus will start making the president and the entire congress very unpopular.
Congress is already very unpopular. There isn’t much room for them to get any worse…
http://www.gallup.com/poll/159035/congress-retains-low-honesty-rating.aspx
Congress rates 2% better than used car salesmen in the department of high honesty and ethics 10% to 8%. When it comes to low honesty and ethics, Congress betters used car salesmen 54% to 49%.
Mr Right
December 5th, 2012
12:34 pm
I see no reason to belive the GOP approach would work anyway, has everyone forgot what a mess 2008 was after they ran the gov’t for 8 years.
Has the Dems approach worked the last four years? We are going into debt faster than ever,unemployment sky high, etc. But that is Bushs fault or the rich’s fault blah blah always somebody else’s fault! Is the mess really better than four years ago?
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
12:34 pm
Well now apparently some of the kooks think corporations are people. Ya see we know this cause one of the idiots posted an article yesterday stating that Walmart was the nations biggest welfare recipient. Well now that would only be true if corps were in fact people. So which is it kooks? Are corps people? Or are they only people when it suits your infantile, simpleton arguments?
B
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JohnnyReb
December 5th, 2012
12:36 pm
I wonder the extent of Boehner’s headache as Obama is playing him like a drum.
Obama’s insistence on raising tax rates for those making over 250K is nothing, and I mean nothing more than politics. The expected revenue is not a drop in the bucket toward deficit reduction. However, Obama is winning the propaganda war, again. Associated are reports that Rachel, Al, and others from MSNBC visited the WH. Wonder why; just tune in if you can stand them.
House Conservatives need to hold steady to their guns. Let little Barry take us over the cliff. If they do not, this time next year we will be discussing how powerful the Tea Party has become.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
12:37 pm
doomy made boom in his diapers.
Don’t you have some crappy health insurance to pimp.
Matt P.
December 5th, 2012
12:38 pm
Jay – means testing Medicare turns it from a social contract to care for the health of the elderly into a welfare program for the poor. It’s downhill from there – Republicans can attack welfare all day, every day. Medicare the way it is now is a third rail.
This is one area where the Simpson-Bowles commission came up with a sensible plan – allow younger people to buy into Medicare. I think they recommended 55, but the younger you make the buy in, the more you increase the fiscal sustainability of the program. Why not go for 50?
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
12:40 pm
Seems libs haven’t the foggiest damn clue what made this nation great. They seem to have some sort of twisted mental notion that gubment is what made this nation great. Go figure.
Geez… Seems as though somebody’s trying to think for others when he can’t think for himself. If that barb as well as your earlier ones @ 12:04 and 12:05 were directed in part to my post at 11:59, why don’t you be a grown man and address it directly? If not, then why not address the poster(s) who you claim think in that manner instead of your generic finger pointing?
I haven’t seen a single post that claims that government made this country great, nor have I seen anybody insinuate that. What I stated, and others have pointed out, is that government has a PART in making a country great. Otherwise, free marketeers, such as yourself, could go to Somalia, Afghanistan, or Yemen and prosper just as you could here. Am I right if government has nothing to do with it?
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
12:41 pm
Joe mama,
Nope. Gubment action such as smoot hawley and other gubment interventions is what triggered the great depression. Go back and research it. The economy, unemployment, all were ok after the 29 market crash. It was when the govt started intervening that we slid into depression. Even Keynes reserved special criticism of govt actions.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
12:43 pm
Doom — “Ya see we know this cause one of the idiots posted an article yesterday stating that Walmart was the nations biggest welfare recipient.”
Really? Post it for us again and let’s see what it *really* says.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
12:43 pm
Bro,
My barb was simply to make the point that there is no comparison between the US and those culturally bankrupt nations. For you to do so was ludicrous.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 5th, 2012
12:45 pm
The president who enjoyed strong support from the uninformed voters…
More Con predictions! Oh Goody!
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
12:45 pm
Joe mama,
google is your friend. As is yesterdays blog.
Mick
December 5th, 2012
12:45 pm
**strong support from the uninformed voters that the Democrats succeeded in transporting to the polls**
As if all the water carriers of the republican party are “informed”? The republican base, afraid of the UN, climate change deniers, firm believers that the earth is a mere 9,000 years old, and my favorite – noah had room for dinosaurs on his ark, very informed, indeed…
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
December 5th, 2012
12:46 pm
Get the popcorn ready the GOP and Boner are going to get there collective a@!#%sses handed to them by the President…LOL
Tom Middleton
December 5th, 2012
12:46 pm
Jay, I could have sworn from discussions past that the Tea Party base was hands-off in love with their Social Security and Medicare. I mean, didn’t we learn from studies that most are male, roughly retirement age, and in love with their social programs? So why are their Republican representatives in Washington trying to hands-on change them both against their base’s wishes?
And then there’s Grover Norquist and his threats of a Tea Party 2 if we don’t do what he says. Me thinks he’s going to be surprised, and then it’s goodbye Grover for good!. I mean, pssssst, Grover, we’ve got the young people!
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
12:46 pm
Doom — “Nope. Gubment action such as smoot hawley and other gubment interventions is what triggered the great depression. Go back and research it.”
I have. Smoot-Hawley didn’t *force* brokers and investors to do all that borrowing and concomitant buying on margin. Not even you could be clueless enough to think that government intervention *forced* people to borrow and invest beyond their means.
“The economy, unemployment, all were ok after the 29 market crash. It was when the govt started intervening that we slid into depression. Even Keynes reserved special criticism of govt actions.”
As I said, I focus on 1930-1965 as the period when we catapulted into greatness. Maybe you could do a little research yourself.
Georgia
December 5th, 2012
12:47 pm
Why paint it so black? Boehner may have a heart of stone, but even he knows he cants always gits what he wa-ants. They are predicting a thousand point dow rally when the street fighting men in congress (somebody grab a hose) stand down and a deal is announced. Just hope Boehner isn’t going to be just waiting on a friend too long.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
12:47 pm
Medicare age from 65 -> 67 is a no-brainer.
Easily said–when you can’t visualize being 65 and expected to be dependent upon the tender mercies of the private health insurance racket, at the very time when one’s premiums will be at their very highest.
For anyone who can, it’s a yes-let’s-use-our-brainer.
See also:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2012/11/28/americans-overwhelming-oppose-raising-the-medicare-retirement-age/
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
12:47 pm
Doom
You still didn’t answer my question as culture had absolutely nothing to do with what the original poster said nor my response. If capitalism is all you make it out to be, you should be prospserous anywhere by your statement, correct? You and the original poster are the ones asserting that government has nothing to do with success. Contrary to what you THINK about the cultures of those countries, there are businesspeople in those countries that prosper using capitalism as their means to an end. Maybe you should get your head out of your ass sometimes and quit being so damned judgmental of people without actually knowing them. For you to do that is ludicrous, but then again, you have shown yourself to be that way numerous times here, both sober and drunk.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
12:48 pm
Doom — “Joe mama, google is your friend. As is yesterdays blog.”
Well, of *course* you won’t post it again, because it doesn’t actually say what you claim it did.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
12:48 pm
Why paint it so black? Boehner may have a heart of stone, but even he knows he cants always gits what he wa-ants. They are predicting a thousand point dow rally when the street fighting men in congress (somebody grab a hose) stand down and a deal is announced. Just hope Boehner isn’t going to be just waiting on a friend too long.
You only get your rocks off when you’re dreamin’, I see.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
12:49 pm
Bro,
The culture of the people who founded this country had more to do with its astounding success than mere gubment. Govt and other institutions and things such as the constitution, the bill of rights, respect for property rights, the individual, etc. All that stems from culture.
alex
December 5th, 2012
12:50 pm
@ Joe, unfortunately there are other, possibly more accurate historical appraisals of how this country escaped the grips of the Depression,with THE major player being WW-2 followed by the destruction of Europe requiring U.S. support, A nice run and now with globalization, that has run it’s course…
Mick
December 5th, 2012
12:51 pm
doom
You know what is ludicrous? The republicans running up the debt by the previous president and rubber stamp congress, then having the economy collapse, lose power, then have the mitagated gall to demand that it all be fixed in a four year term?
You know the truth, that was the game plan, starve the beast and drown it in a bathtub.
Just remember, both party’s contributed to this hypocrisy but the republicans seem to think that they cast no image in the mirror…
Brad Steel
December 5th, 2012
12:51 pm
r.i.p. dave brubeck. hope jay’s friday post recognizes his gifts.
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
12:51 pm
I would like to thank Jay and his band of marionettes for their sypathy toward “Boner” and their “kinder more gentler” war on conservatives.
And to Thulsa for the BOOM!
Keep bustin’ chops Doomy!
Erwin's cat
December 5th, 2012
12:52 pm
RIP Dave Burbeck
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
12:53 pm
Joe mama,
Sure it does. And I’m not posting it because I’m on my Droid anyway. Quite a bit more cumbersome. It’s not add if i can easily and quickly search, copy and paste.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
12:54 pm
alex — “@ Joe, unfortunately there are other, possibly more accurate historical appraisals of how this country escaped the grips of the Depression”
Wasn’t my point.
Doom points to a 150-year period as being when we ‘became great’ as a nation. I think it can be narrowed down to a much shorter period than that.
Success Hating Liberal
December 5th, 2012
12:54 pm
Typical Democrat….. I’m a loser in life so you should pay my way cause you worker harder then I do, your smarter then i am…and you take more risks then I do….Therefore you need to pay my way Im a slacker and without your handout I will never amount to anytiung more then the LOSER I am
JohnnyReb
December 5th, 2012
12:54 pm
Here’s an example of why Conservatives do not want to yield to Obama. A salesman at Latham Ford in San Diego posted this on Facebook.
The salesmen had a woman in his office wanting to lease a brand new Focus. As he reviewed her credit application he noticed she was on social security disability. He told her she did not look disabled. She replied that she could work if she wanted but that she gets more now than when she was working. She further explained she was making about $330 per week when working but now she gets a $1500 disability check and $700.00 EBT card (food stamps) each month plus $800.00 a month for rent. Oh yeah, don’t forget the 250 minutes free cell phone.
That is $3000 a month not counting the cell phone ripped from wages of people who work hard for a living – you know, the middle class everyone seems so worried about.
Multiply the above by millions and then deny we don’t drastically need revision of entitlements?
Congratulations bleeding hearts. Please tell us your plan for when the money is gone?
alex
December 5th, 2012
12:54 pm
@ stands, what I don’t understand is the problem with raising the medicare age , as the ACA will act as a safety net for those with problems, NO?
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
12:55 pm
Laying down the boom on the kooks. It’s how I roll. Got em all worked up already.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
12:55 pm
The culture of the people who founded this country had more to do with its astounding success than mere gubment.
Yeah, and it seems as though y’all conservatives are pining for the days of the wealthy landowners/business owners squeezing every single penny of productivity and wealth from their workers and not even giving them enough pay to pour piss from a boot. The culture of this country is a hodge podge mixture of cultures that each wave of immigrants brought with them. The one common theme from American culture is the incessant need to exploit the sh*t out of people for personal gain. And you’re right, that comes regardless of the government.
Steve
December 5th, 2012
12:56 pm
This is so boring. Let’s just go over the “cliff,” which is really just a slope…enact tax changes for the middle class so we aren’t hammered while trying to rebuild the economy, and reform middle class tax code when the economy is doing better.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
12:57 pm
Boom apparently means “Here’s a really stupid claim”
What makes this country great is the combination of capitalism with appropriate government. See Teddy Roosevelt unless you are some idiot child going boom boom and spouting nonsense and stupidity. Its no wonder our host ignores the child.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
12:58 pm
Doom — “Joe mama, Sure it does.”
Good. Then you’ll have no problem *showing* us evidence of your claim, to wit: “we know this cause one of the idiots posted an article yesterday stating that Walmart was the nations biggest welfare recipient.”
“And I’m not posting it because I’m on my Droid anyway. Quite a bit more cumbersome. It’s not add if i can easily and quickly search, copy and paste.”
Then perhaps someone might come to your rescue by posting it.
My recollection is that the article stated that Wal-Mart *employees* — not Wal-Mart *itself* — were the recipients in question. And that would invalidate the point you were apparently trying to make.
alex
December 5th, 2012
12:58 pm
Not following every thread, still goovt stepped in because of WAR, up to that point the GOVT was ineffective, but let’s be intellectually Honest. B. Bernacke has spent a lifetime studying that era and can’t figure out what worked…..
Tom Middleton
December 5th, 2012
12:58 pm
Take Five, Dave…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1S_vA0ougg
Steve
December 5th, 2012
12:59 pm
JohnnyReb – wow, one example of small chump change coming out of our taxes. Yet you could care less that your taxes are really going, and at 10 times the amount, to corporate welfare. Hell, we even pay milk farmers with our tax money so milk doesn’t go up to $8/gallon.
Choose your battles – not the racist tinged lesser important ones, please.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
12:59 pm
reb,
Now attacking the disabled like your party did with
Bob Dole yesterday.
How low can you go reb.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
1:00 pm
Bro,
The exploitation crap again coupled with a dose of class warfare. You can only be exploited if you let yourself be so in America today. Are you not the captain of your own destiny? Speaking of the exploitation nonsense is that why millions of messicans brave death to come to a strange land with a language they don’t even speak. Cause they so exploited?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 5th, 2012
1:01 pm
Now attacking the disabled like your party did with
Bob Dole yesterday.
How low can you go reb.
They are a sickening group.
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
1:02 pm
Keep, here’s what it looks like: BOOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMzuzMD6eF4
getalife
December 5th, 2012
1:03 pm
Do you cons actually believe Americans still listen to you after being dead wrong for a decade?
No, they don’t .
Find a hobby cons, you are done in American politics.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
1:03 pm
as the ACA will act as a safety net for those with problems, NO?
No, not especially.
Bottom line, what would be happening with this age eligibility change, is that we take a step back for a specific demographic, from a successful single-payer insurance program to the private insurance industry, which will be MORE costly to Americans, and why?
All because it might clear some bean-counter’s ledger in a book somewhere and the Very Serious People can claim some “cost savings” that really aren’t.
Pardon me if I go on thinking that’s pretty effin’ stupid, on many layers.
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 5th, 2012
1:04 pm
Cheesy,
They can go pretty low. Heck I’ll bet that many of them don’t think of themselves as citizens of this country anymore given the number of them that want to secede.
guy
December 5th, 2012
1:04 pm
Raise my taxes but don’t ask for more stimulus spending which is being done.That’s not mentioned.Both elephants and donkeys are dumber than dirt and could care les about any of us.We make smartass remarks to each other,we ridicule each other,and the ones we should be saying these things to are the politicians. We are the fools for not demanding common sense reasoning. We asked for it and we got it!!!!!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 5th, 2012
1:04 pm
Laying down the boom on the kooks. It’s how I roll. Got em all worked up already.
LOL.
Steve
December 5th, 2012
1:04 pm
The reason people like “JohnnyReb” are still wailing about people scamming the safety net systems has been studied. It has been shown that white people who are poor are scared of those below them on the social ladder (poor minorities) could someone be elevated to or above their level via the safety net systems. Nobody wants to be at the bottom of the ladder. Yet, poor whites, and mostly in our red states, use the safety net programs more than anyone else. The irony is astounding.
guy
December 5th, 2012
1:04 pm
less,not les
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
1:05 pm
Cheesy, it was rather shameful from the GOP…but they have no shame and no low they will not find.
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
1:05 pm
A recent Forbes study should be an eye opener. Forbes identifies 11 states that they refer to as being in the “death spiral”. Meaning they have more people living off pensions, government pensions government employment and other forms of government assistance than they have working in the private sector. 7 of those 11 states are blue states and were identified as Maine, New York, Ohio, Illinois, New Mexico, California and Hawaii. Government benefit programs such as pensions they can’t afford and are therefore unsustainable is taking them down the road to financial collapse. Other states are probably not that far behind as the private sector workforce continues to shrink. These states and the others to follow will probably be seeking federal government bailouts to stay afloat. We’ve recently heard a Detroit council member asking Obama for a bailout.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
1:05 pm
The exploitation crap again coupled with a dose of class warfare.
It’s much more believable that that invisible hand job crap you’re peddling.
As to Mexicans, you’re damn right they’re being exploited. Just because you receive some renumeration doesn’t negate that fact. It isn’t a matter of whether you let yourself be exploited or not, but since you don’t have to worry about that, you obviously wouldn’t know. That captain of your destiny crap is more fantasy than Mickey Mouse.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 5th, 2012
1:05 pm
They can go pretty low. Heck I’ll bet that many of them don’t think of themselves as citizens of this country anymore given the number of them that want to secede.
I wish they would secede or leave. Addition by subtraction
Don Abernethy
December 5th, 2012
1:06 pm
Boehner needs to be fired as House Speaker. He is not conservative enough. The Tea Party should take the leadership in the House.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
1:07 pm
Nobody cares about crybaby Boehner except Bookman and his jolly band of suck-ups. We’re going off the Cliff and all the leeches will scream bloody murder. Everybody will eventually adjust to the tax increases and spending cuts. Two years from now it will be part of the new normal. The only thing that will matter to the voters is whether the economy is doing better or is still in the crapper. The Boomers and the other leech classes will still cry about how it’s unfair they had to give up their hard earned benefits. Same s***, different day.
Steve
December 5th, 2012
1:07 pm
Recon, what about all the red states that live off most of the blue states’ moneys federal handouts? Perhaps if we solved that problem, the blue states could afford to support their people.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
1:09 pm
Joe mama,
I’ll look it up when i get home tonight if i have time. It’s not really feasible on a phone and I’ve got to head to an Appt anyway. My recollection is that the article and or the libs on here were calling Walmart and via it’s employees the nations biggest welfare recipient. Curiously they never mentioned the huge choline of federal, state, and local taxes Walmart and it’s employees pay. But then i guess that wouldn’t fit the lib narrative.
Jefferson
December 5th, 2012
1:09 pm
Reb would belive anything, that story is probably a lie, if not turn them in for fraud. But everything on facebook is true….
jconservative
December 5th, 2012
1:10 pm
CJ at 12:00 pm
I know.
But on 1/1/2011 everyone knew the day of reckoning was coming on tax increases. Both sides decided to wait on the election. We had the election. And taxes are increasing 1/1/2013 as scheduled. Taxes are increasing because Congress voted for a tax increase effective 1/1/2013. Obama signed the bill into law. This is a deal both sides wanted. Spin no longer works.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
1:10 pm
choline? shoulda been chunk.
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
1:11 pm
getalife,
Can I be your butler when the liberals take ova da vworld?
Georgia
December 5th, 2012
1:11 pm
Seriously. There is a cliff coming, but it’s not a drop off, it’s a climbing cliff. Inflation. Jim Cramer’s face registered real fear as he spoke about inflation today. Ruinous inflation. Cramer’s face looked like the emoticon of a homeless guy getting obviously brand new boots. If we do get a deal, it will be inflationary. Stocks should soar a thousand points. If we don’t get a deal then the consequence will be worse than inflation. No money is worse than inflated prices. Clinton caved to Boehner-style hard lining in the nineties and the GOP eliminated all financial oversight, which is what caused 2008, which brought us so close to financial collapse that Pelosi voted against the bailout before she voted for it. What our leaders learned from 2008 was that unbridled capitalism will implode taking everything with it. The bank’s WMD: Cold Cash and Credit Fusion bomb. (low yield). Oh, it’ll destroy the economy, but it leaves Nancy Pelosi’s face intact.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
1:11 pm
that story is probably a lie
probably?
getalife
December 5th, 2012
1:12 pm
The is a gop created fake crisis and it is the gop’s problem.
The dems should not help them. Period.
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
1:12 pm
Steve, I didn’t mention the 4 red states in the 11 Forbes identified, Kentucky, South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi. Pretty small states though in comparison to the blue states of New York, Ohio, Illinois and California.
DannyX
December 5th, 2012
1:13 pm
Since the election that “Boom” is more like a…
T
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getalife
December 5th, 2012
1:13 pm
moonbat,
Make me a ham sammich.
Now.
alex
December 5th, 2012
1:14 pm
No pardon needed, you haen’t given ANY specifics, so your NOT believable. ACA with subsidies in states with medicaid expansion may well accomplish a lot for this issue, but it is a complicated battle that may continue for years (see editorial in New England J. of Med this week). I thought you might have insight , but your rantings are just that, unsubstantiated disagreements…YOU can do better…
Madmax
December 5th, 2012
1:14 pm
That too is something Obama has to keep in mind.
He is playing this out like Obamacare. We will do it BHO’s way and the hell with any idea of compromise. I don’t want revenue I want the rate on the evil 2% raised so I can tell everyone I made good on my campaign promise of revenge. Oh spending, trust me, we’ll do that later……right, and I have a bridge to sell you.
Funny that Jay doesn’t point out that BHO’s proposal does not mathmatically work either. Funny Jay doesn’t mention that all BHO does is raise a little more cash which he wants to spend (and then some) immediately and does nothing to address deficit reduction, yet those here seem to feel he unworthy of criticism.
The more I see and hear of BHO, the more I think he and the current Egyptian President are twins, separated at birth.
Steve
December 5th, 2012
1:15 pm
Getalife, I completely agree. And the American public is not polling with the GOP on any of this crap, and Congress still have a 12% approval rating and I’m sure that will continue to drop.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
1:16 pm
JHM, interesting how some claim that taxes “paid” by employees count when you look at the employer, but if that same employee ends up paying no federal income taxes because they do not earn sufficient amounts, that somehow the employee is the freeloader and no good.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
1:16 pm
Taxes are increasing because Congress voted for a tax increase effective 1/1/2013. Obama signed the bill into law. This is a deal both sides wanted.
Yep!!!!
Georgia
December 5th, 2012
1:17 pm
Send Kerry ‘cross to Murci…….
RAMZAD
December 5th, 2012
1:18 pm
What Boehner and the GOP do not recognize is that in any war the high ground can change hands several times. It is the strategic preparations that you make while you have the high ground that set you up to win or lose the war.
Republicans made the fatal mistake of believing that they could be intransigent and reptilian forever. From the Party of “No” to running over to the White House bearing gifts and supplication.
This is proof that the American people still have the handle and Republicans are holding the blade. Only the dust and the rust of the current Republican Party will satisfy me.
Steve
December 5th, 2012
1:18 pm
Flipped Fox News on at the treadmill today. There was closet case Rick Perry being interviewed, with him claiming that all they have to do is go after the wealthier Hispanics and the GOP would have their vote, as these people would be wondering where all their money was going via taxes. (as if taxes haven’t been lowered to the lowest point in 30 years). They he talked about stressing Christian family values…and this from a guy who cheats on his wife with men, which is well known in Texas.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
1:19 pm
Funny that Jay doesn’t point out that BHO’s proposal does not mathmatically work either. Funny Jay doesn’t mention that all BHO does is raise a little more cash which he wants to spend (and then some) immediately and does nothing to address deficit reduction, yet those here seem to feel he unworthy of criticism.
Funny that Madmax can’t own up to the fact that the Republicans are all crying about debt and deficit, yet their own policies have been one of the biggest contributing factors to the debt and deficit. Funny that Madmax doesn’t acknowledge that the “party of fiscal responsibility” put forth a garbage plan that does nothing to addresse the debt or the deficit.
JohnnyReb
December 5th, 2012
1:20 pm
Several of you regulars on here have serious chips on your shoulders. Maybe that chip has something to do with your attitudes on how someone elses money is used by the government.
No where in my post on the California woman on disability was her race or nationality stated.
You guys have the chip and automatically assume everything is about race. You’re pathetic.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
1:20 pm
Doom — “My recollection is that the article and or the libs on here were calling Walmart and via it’s employees the nations biggest welfare recipient. Curiously they never mentioned the huge choline of federal, state, and local taxes Walmart and it’s employees pay. But then i guess that wouldn’t fit the lib narrative.”
I remember you bringing up the taxes, and I think that’s a very fair point. At the same time, if an employer is routinely paying employees so little that they have to avail themselves of public assistance, then don’t you think we as taxpayers should have something to say about that? I’m not suggesting that every Wally World shelf stocker should get twenty bucks an hour plus full medical/dental/optical coverage, but just look at Costco. They’re MUCH more generous with their employee benefits and it doesn’t seem to be hurting them at all.
Plus, Costco employees seem to give a s**t, whereas Wally World employees — from what I’ve seen — are just marking time until they punch out for the day.
Steve
December 5th, 2012
1:20 pm
Madmax – I seem to remember George Bush being the “Decider” which was very ok with all of you with your W stickers on your cars. Why the change of heart?
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
1:21 pm
“and this from a guy who cheats on his wife with men, which is well known in Texas.”
Steve, never heard that one before and have a lot of friends in Texas. Where did you dig that up?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
1:21 pm
M. Betty — “getalife, Can I be your butler when the liberals take ova da vworld?”
My wife and I will have an opening for a couple of footstools. Shall I pencil you in for an interview?
detritusUSA
December 5th, 2012
1:21 pm
Slash the defense department by 25% before you raise the MEDICARE age. Eliminate the cap on the social security tax before you reduce the cola. Simple, problem solved.
Madmax
December 5th, 2012
1:21 pm
Bro – enjoy yor koolaid. It had more substance than your mesiah’s. Nothing but air but it has to be good because HE spoke it. right
oops
December 5th, 2012
1:22 pm
“The dems should not help them. Period.”
Getalife likes the cliff.
Madmax
December 5th, 2012
1:23 pm
Steve – I was no fan of Bush and never had a W sticker on my car. I’m looking for some leadership from the WH and all we get is hot air.
JohnnyReb
December 5th, 2012
1:23 pm
So Steve, you have proof that Perry is a closet homesexual? No you don’t. If you did, you would have sold it to some pop-culture show.
But just to give you the benefit of the doubt, show it to us here. Evidence or something close enough to the truth that it interjects doubt.
Something tells me we will be waiting forever.
Steve
December 5th, 2012
1:24 pm
Recon – there are many links, but here’s a good one: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/06/would_rumors_about_his_marriag.html
Steve
December 5th, 2012
1:25 pm
Lindsey Graham, the former governor from Florida…can’t remember his name. Two other well known closeted Republicans that come to mind.
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
1:26 pm
Sure, JHM,
I can help pull your wife’s foot out of your rear end everyday.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
1:27 pm
M. Betty — “Sure, JHM, I can help pull your wife’s foot out of your rear end everyday.”
She’s not that tall.
JohnnyReb
December 5th, 2012
1:27 pm
Let’s see Steve – the article was before Perry entered the primaries, was from Politico (throw up), but nothing was ever heard during the primaries.
Obviously, your proof is still at zero.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 5th, 2012
1:29 pm
J. Reb — “Obviously, your proof is still at zero.”
Kinda like that Orly Taitz woman.
Recon 0311 2533
December 5th, 2012
1:29 pm
Steve, Not particularly creditable sources just a lot of unconfirmed rumor. If any of was true it would have been brought out by creditable sources during his run for the Republican nomination.
alex
December 5th, 2012
1:30 pm
@ detritus, how much will that save per year, ?
joe
December 5th, 2012
1:31 pm
A little sympathy for Dems and the loony libs who support them, who are heck bent on spending us into Greece…NONE!!! You all are such takers that you don’t care what happens to the country you live in.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
1:31 pm
steve, unconfirmed rumors from not particularly creditable sources are only acceptable if you are talking Benghazi, birth certificates, fast and furious, and ODS issues
Nero
December 5th, 2012
1:31 pm
Slash all spending and raise he Medicare age. Cut COLAs to the bare minimum and reduce benefits. Cut DoD and make retirees and veterans pay a larger portion of their healthcare.
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
1:32 pm
STUPID LIBERAL
December 5th, 2012
11:23 am
What are you going to do with your smaller paychecks beginning Jan. 1st?
++++++++++++++++++++++
Buy smaller beers.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
1:33 pm
Madmax
Obviously, you’re the one on here spitting rhetoric, so who’s really believing the hype? I would tell you to Find Other Avenues of Deflection in regards to that koolaid quip. I don’t find that funny at all, given how people lost family members. Keep cheerleading for that failure of a party all you wish. I’m not one to stop you.
As for my Messiah, I was brought up a Christian, and therefore there is only one Messiah. Maybe you should think twice about using God’s name in vain. I hope God shows mercy on your soul for that, because if it were my decision, I wouldn’t.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
1:33 pm
Rick “Global cooling” Perry digs guys?
(I got spurs that jingle, jangle, jingle…)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ac5AVosug
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
1:35 pm
Nero
December 5th, 2012
1:31 pm
Slash all spending and raise he Medicare age. Cut COLAs to the bare minimum and reduce benefits. Cut DoD and make retirees and veterans pay a larger portion of their healthcare.
+++++++++++++++++
hell yeah!!!!!!!! Especially those vets that were stupid, didn’t duck, and got all blowed up. The ingrates. First we let them go get all blowed up for us and NOW they want us to pay for their care.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
1:35 pm
Bro,
Hand job crap that I’m peddling? You blowing a gasket there bro?
So Messicans are exploited? Sez who? You? So they risk death to come over here and be “exploited”? And in being exploited they support not only themselves but families back home. who the hell are you to determine who is and isn’t exploited? are u the exploitation police?
As for being in charge of your life and your destiny i can’t help you if you let others determine your lot in life. not my problem and if you’re ticked off that others determine their own outcomes in life then you’ll just have to get over it.
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 5th, 2012
1:36 pm
Rick did to seem to show a strong interest in that bottle of maple syrup.
DannyX
December 5th, 2012
1:37 pm
Hmmmmm, Perry has said he is going to make a big announcement in July.
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
1:39 pm
DannyX
December 5th, 2012
1:37 pm
Hmmmmm, Perry has said he is going to make a big announcement in July.
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Here’s a video to help him with his announcement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oT8f5k1W8k
Sklipch
December 5th, 2012
1:40 pm
Same Obama as before election. The guy doesn’t understand economics. All this time spent to raise taxes on the 2%, but little discussion on how to really, seriously tackle the 16+trillion dollar debt. He can confiscate all the money the 2% make and it won’t solve the problem. I am not part of the 2%, but let’s get serious. If democrats don’t want to change anything than do the math and tell the taxpayers how much we have to increase social security, medicare and income taxes to pay for what they want.
Steve
December 5th, 2012
1:43 pm
Sorry that this is off topic, but the rumors are there about Perry. and like another poster said, if one can claim Obama to be a Muslim from Kenya with conviction, one can easily root out the closet cases as people talk. There are MANY in the Repiglican party.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
1:43 pm
Doom: who the hell are you to determine who is and isn’t exploited? are u the exploitation police?
Ask yourself that question before you try to check me. Are you doing any different than me? Who in the hell are you to determine who is and isn’t exploited? Why don’t you take your own advice?
As for being in charge of your life and your destiny i can’t help you if you let others determine your lot in life.
And whenever I claim as such, then you can address that. However, don’t put words in my mouth, ok? I don’t do that to you, even though that would probably make your crap more believable, but you speak for yourself, and don’t attempt to speak for me. K?
Nero
December 5th, 2012
1:45 pm
Fred,
Nobody cares if you were a veteran or not anymore. Bad things happen to good people. They’re patriotic. I’m sure they won’t mind their country asking a little bit more from them. Plenty of previous generations of soldiers came home from war without the same wasteful benefits. The current batch is no different. They’ll make due.
GT
December 5th, 2012
1:46 pm
Representatives of the southern red states have a different agenda than the rest of this nation. Artificial economies have replaced the industry that left. South Carolina lost the textile business and in its stead have several federal prison facilities and other random operations subsidized by our government, Strom Thurmond’s legacy. This state and other southern states bargain the jobs for votes and power. Now you have two lines of the Republican Party, the one whose course is predestined to the original jobs for votes trade and the one trying to redirect the Republican Party before it self destructs.
Bush in his tour of the White House with the soon to be president Obama spoke of his party. He told O not all your enemies come from the opposition party. To the south the region has always been more important than the nation. Education was a luxury and also a sure way to be defeated in a general election. Religion is a control mechanism, and you work for the politician not him or very few times her for you. Many southerners have an equivalent lobotomy where poverty not their own making, malnutrition and ignorance has produce this O.J. Simpson jury view of the world that there is a conspiracy under every rock. This makes it almost too easy for carpet baggies like Newt to come in and have his way.
This is the traffic Boehner has to conduct.
Steve
December 5th, 2012
1:46 pm
sklipch, spending cuts are on the table with the Dems. And we have to start somewhere. You can’t cut the debt in one day, or you collapse the economy. Come on, man, this is common sense.
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
1:48 pm
Nero: Not only do I not get Gov’t help especially from the VA, but I would cut off my own balls with a dull knife before I would ever set foot in one. you need to get over yourself.
but you also need to quit trying to screw those who lost limbs and health in service to their Country. I know that as a Republican the word honor to you means, “jump on ‘er and stay on ‘er,” but a nation owes a debt of honor to care for those who are wounded in their service.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
1:51 pm
I would tell you to Find Other Avenues of Deflection
oooh ooooh I’m telling Teach.
alex
December 5th, 2012
1:51 pm
i see JAMVET has returned with his fantasies, so much for semiserious conversation, outta here….Wait ’till Jay gives us something to chew on, no not that Jamvet ,……
Steve
December 5th, 2012
1:54 pm
Johnny – if Perry had won the nomination, this would have been brought to light. Trust me.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
1:55 pm
Doom
One last thing, when it comes to being the exploitation police, I’m sure that I have much more experience at detecting exploitation than an insurance salesman does.
http://cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/human_trafficking/stories_info/overview.xml
But, you go ahead and keep on believing in your supposed superiority over everyone else here when you don’t have a damn clue as to what we do in our own personal lives.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
1:56 pm
dB
I’m just not in the mood for suffering fools today, and it seems as though all the fools here want to play tiddlywinks with me for some reason.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
1:56 pm
Fred,
Debt of Honor? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! You read to much Tom Clancy. Same entitlement mentality as the rest of Generation Greed. You are owed nothing. Get over yourself. Stop whining about your service. Nobody cares anymore if you put on a uniform and marched around. As for your balls, I’ll let you handle that.
Boehner Is A Bought and Bossed Man
December 5th, 2012
1:57 pm
@Sklipch
December 5th, 2012
1:40 pm
Same Obama as before election. The guy doesn’t understand economics. All this time spent to raise taxes on the 2%, but little discussion on how to really, seriously tackle the 16+trillion dollar debt. He can confiscate all the money the 2% make and it won’t solve the problem. I am not part of the 2%, but let’s get serious. If democrats don’t want to change anything than do the math and tell the taxpayers how much we have to increase social security, medicare and income taxes to pay for what they want.
================================================
Obama is NOT the SAME. Stay Tuned.
CONS understand ECONOMICS? They got us INTO this mess.
Taxing the RICH is a start. Why are YOU poor people defending the rich?
That is rich……….
YOU can’t have it both ways. You complain about the democrats CHANGING
THINGS and in the same breath YOU say “If democrats don’t want to change
anything.” MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
CONS ARE BOUGHT AND BOSSED.
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
1:58 pm
Bro,
sorry man but you’re the one who made the claim of “exploitation”. If u can’t back up your emotionalism parade crap then I’m not surprised. You lost your credibility when you had to stoop to the level of insulting myself and my profession. Anyway have a great day Mr. exploitation cop.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
2:01 pm
Its always a good day when Brosephus kicks some fool arse.
Well done!
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
2:01 pm
I can’t believe Bookman banned db’s favorite acoronym!
What’s up with that?
Are liberals supossed to be polite or something now?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
2:02 pm
You lost your credibility when you had to stoop to the level of insulting myself and my profession
Now that stupidity is just hilarious when you consider the sniveling poster who is making the claim
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
2:03 pm
“Its always a good day when Brosephus kicks some fool arse”
Throwing a temper tantrum does not = a BOOM.
Drive By Bumper Sticker
December 5th, 2012
2:03 pm
Boehner Cried
People Lied
The Truth Died…………
Here Lies The Truth — “The Fiscal Cliff Is A Fiscal Curb”.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
2:04 pm
ACA with subsidies in states with medicaid expansion may well accomplish a lot for this issue
alex, what part of “there ISN’T ANY PROBLEM that *needs* ’solving’” don’t you get?
There’s only a problem if we’re stupid enough to raise the freaking eligibility age.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
2:04 pm
Doom
I simply said exploitation. I never said what group. You brought Mexicans into the conversation, not me. Your emotional “Mexicans” crap is the only emotion brought into the conversation. I didn’t insult your profession, as much as I simply tried to point out to you that my profession trains in detecting exploitation of others. If the insurance industry trains you to do that, then my hat’s off to you. I have family members who are in the insurance industry.
Your emotions got the best of you, and as usual, you’re not man enough to own up to it. That’s ok because you already admitted long ago that you come here to be an ass. I expect it from you. Maybe one day you’ll grow up and understand that there are people who have skills and knowledge that you don’t. That doesn’t make you any less a man to own up to that. You have a great day as well.
Drive By Bumper Sticker
December 5th, 2012
2:06 pm
Example Of Republican Math:
20000×2% = Richer Rich People
30/1.25 Million (squared) = Sh##t Out Of Luck People.
Which Are You?
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
2:08 pm
bro,
what the f does exploitation have to do with illegals living and working here in America. you’re talking some crazy shyte about illegals being exploited by Mexican coyotes leading to the border. what in the hell does that have to do with the supposed exploitation of living and working in America. geez. you make about as much damn sense a shark on land. did you take a drink from the idiot fountain this morning? good God the kooks get dumber every day.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
2:09 pm
betty
Care to show where I had a temper tantrum? I’ll tell you the same thing I told Doom. There are people here with knowledge and skillsets that others don’t have. I don’t ridicule anybody here, and I won’t let anybody do that to me. If you want to challenge me as to what I know or don’t know, then be man/lady enough to do so without all the extra crap.
There are some things I can divulge and some things I can’t. If I can find public information on it, then I can share the stuff that I know. If it’s not public knowledge, I’m not gonna lose my job sharing things here that I see at work.
Drive By Bumper Sticker
December 5th, 2012
2:09 pm
Republican Pledge Of Allegiance:
I Pledge Loyalty To Money and all the things it can buy.
Cars, Women, Drag Queens, And All the Mexican Pool Boys i can afford.
In Trickle Down We Trust.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
2:10 pm
Just walk away and let the sequestration happen. It’s all political jockeying now. Just walk away and move on.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
2:12 pm
what the f does exploitation have to do with illegals living and working here in America. you’re talking some crazy shyte about illegals being exploited by Mexican coyotes leading to the border.
How in the hell do you know what I’m talking about? You’re simply A-S-S-U-M-I-N-G that’s what I’m talking about. I gave you a link earlier to see that exploitation goes far beyond some Mexican cutting your grass. Why don’t you go Google Georgia statute 16-6-16 for starters. Georgia has it’s own issues, and it has nothing to do with Mexicans or the land border.
You do realize that there are more ways to be undocumented in the United States besides swimming across the Rio Grande, right? If not, I can’t help you.
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
2:14 pm
You seem angry, Bro.
And that’s OK.
You are pretty cool and level headed most of the time.
You just seem a little wound up today is all.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
2:14 pm
I’m just not in the mood for suffering fools today
me neither.
rather than speaking in code, perhaps the next time some guy writes “heck bent on spending us into Greece…” or “government had nothing to do with this amazing success” or suchlike, we could just link to this.
I can’t believe Bookman banned db’s favorite acoronym!
Not to argue for argument’s sake, but I’m pretty sure “THBAEOSATSQ” gets a *lot* more usage in here from yrs truly than that-which-must-not-be-posted.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
December 5th, 2012
2:14 pm
JohnnyReb quotes from a story posted on FB so it must be true because you cannot put it on the internet if it is not true.
Oh and did I mention I am a french model. Bon jour.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
2:15 pm
knowledge and skillsets…snicker
Thulsa Doom
December 5th, 2012
2:17 pm
bro,
that’s right. i did bring in Mexicans. I’m using them as an example because that is the group most people think of when thinking of immigration and this “exploitation crap”. and yeah. you were low down enough to write something about the crap that i peddle. so if that wasn’t a personal attack then what was it? And enough with your effing high and mighty crap about me as if you don’t ever sir up any crap on here. dang hypocrite
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
2:19 pm
betty
Not angry at all, nor am I wound up. I simply refuse to let somebody talk over me when they don’t have a clue as to what they’re talking about. Simple as that.
Why would a surgeon allow a bartender to tell him what his job is? Are you suggesting that I should let Doom tell me what I know and do for a living when he doesn’t appear to have a clue? If that’s what I’m supposed to do, then I’m simply not wired that way.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
2:19 pm
http://youtu.be/q-Rqdgna3Yw
straitroad
December 5th, 2012
2:23 pm
Brosephus, you might need to take a walk and collect yourself….wound a little too tightly today.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
2:24 pm
yeah. you were low down enough to write something about the crap that i peddle. so if that wasn’t a personal attack then what was it?
It was an ego check, which obviously did nothing for you. Contrary to your opinion, you don’t know everything. Exploitation goes beyond people working under the table for cash. How would you like it if someone talked your daughter into going to another country and then forcing her into prostitution? You have a way of letting your ego and hubris overload your common sense.
Yeah, I took a cheap shot at you, and when you come at me wrong again, I will do it again. When you decide to approach me and converse with me as a man, I’ll return the favor. As long as you attempt to talk down to me, curse at me, or anything else that has the appearance of attempting to belittle me, I will take every cheap shot at you that I can just to let you know that you are not the only one here that can belittle someone.
It’s as simple as that. Act as a man and you get treated as a man. Come at me with that crazy and dumb stuff, and you’ll get it right back.
Erwin's cat
December 5th, 2012
2:25 pm
Bro I’m not one to tell ya what to do….but, don’t let them tell ya what to do
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
2:26 pm
…. Doomy can be quite a blog jackass sometimes. . OK maybe many times…
It’s always HeeHaw time when Doom posts.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
2:29 pm
you might need to take a walk and collect yourself….wound a little too tightly today.
Answer this for me, bro…
Why is it that I’m wound up tight, yet Doom started the entire thing with his smart assed comments @ 12:04 and 12:05? Is it because y’all think that I’m what y’all consider “liberal” and won’t give you back the same crap you try to give me? I’m not wound up at all. I’m acutally laughing my ass off at y’all that think I’m wound up because ain’t none of y’all said a thing to or about Doom’s four-letter tirades.
oops
December 5th, 2012
2:29 pm
boomers
http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Ga-town-stunned-after-woman-killed-at-gas-station-4092744.php
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
2:29 pm
EC
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
2:32 pm
RIP DAVE BRUBECK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9aG3wUrfrE
oops
December 5th, 2012
2:33 pm
Brubeck was a con
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
2:33 pm
Nero
December 5th, 2012
1:56 pm
Fred,
Debt of Honor? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! You read to much Tom Clancy. Same entitlement mentality as the rest of Generation Greed. You are owed nothing. Get over yourself. Stop whining about your service. Nobody cares anymore if you put on a uniform and marched around. As for your balls, I’ll let you handle that.
++++++++++++++
Spoken like a true chicken hawk living in his mom’s basement.
Doggone/GA
December 5th, 2012
2:34 pm
“Oh and did I mention I am a french model. Bon jour”
Can’t you just see the casting call for that commercial: Wanted, male actor who is EMPHATICALLY NOT a French model”
Erwin's cat
December 5th, 2012
2:36 pm
Spoken like a true chicken hawk living in his mom’s basement.
where else will he play Halo 4 and call of duty – black ops??
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
2:45 pm
Nero,
That response to Fred was uncalled for. Fred doesn’t parade around his service and your statement is disgusting.
Bro,
It’s all good. I like both you and Doom.
Nothing wrong with kicking up some dust every once in while.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
2:47 pm
where else will he play Halo 4 and call of duty – black ops??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYCufWb0Pmo#t=02m36s
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
2:51 pm
betty
No problem. I have no personal animosity towards anybody here. I tend to think that I treat everybody with respect. When I feel that somebody’s being disrespectful towards me, then I return the favor. Doom got his cheap shots in long before I said a single word to him. When you kick an ant hill, you can’t complain about the ants biting you back.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
2:53 pm
Get em moonbat.
nero,
Hate the troops much?
Self ban.
pete
December 5th, 2012
2:56 pm
I hope nothing happens and we go over that cliff. Let is go Republicans, and let the dems try to fix it themselves. In 4 years when the deficit hits 20 trillion, who will the dems blame? Silly me, it will probably still be Bush’s fault.
Let them drive us over the cliff.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
2:56 pm
Fred,
Maybe if you rub your Purple Heart, click your heels together three times, and repeat ” There’s no place like home” you can travel back to a time where I give a s***. Nobody cares about soldier time and your Cold War delusions of grandeur. Your personal insults are weak. Typical Bookman sycophant protocol.
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
2:58 pm
“What we said was give us $1.2 trillion in additional revenues, which could be accomplished without hiking taxes — tax rates, but could simply be accomplished by eliminating loopholes, eliminating some deductions and engaging in a tax reform process that could have lowered rates generally while broadening the base.” Anyone like to guess who this is? (President Barack Obama, July 22, 2011)
Flip-flop?
Nero
December 5th, 2012
2:58 pm
Get,
No I just don’t care about them. It’s an all volunteer force and a free country. They make their own choices. Go back to the trough before the other Boomer pigs take your place.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
2:58 pm
nero,
“Nobody cares about soldier time”
Get lost.
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
2:59 pm
“Nobody cares about soldier time and your Cold War delusions of grandeur.”
Nero,
You are wrong and a p***y.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 5th, 2012
3:00 pm
“SILENCE IS LIKE AGREEMENT”
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:00 pm
Bro,
Don’t you have some tickets to write? Bad cop! No doughnut!
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:01 pm
Betty,
You would know all about p**** wouldn’t you?
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 5th, 2012
3:01 pm
Betty,
No, Nero just doesn’t like anything. He’s one of those little children that isn’t happy with anything that his mommy gives him. Or, he could be one of those Goth teenagers. Take your pick but they all apply.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:02 pm
Get,
Stop leeching Boomer.
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
3:03 pm
Yes, Nero, and you are a typical one.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:03 pm
Fly,
You forgot to imply I’m a cutter too. You’re slipping.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 5th, 2012
3:04 pm
RED CARD in 3…2…1….
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
3:04 pm
Nero
December 5th, 2012
2:56 pm
Fred,
Maybe if you rub your Purple Heart, click your heels together three times, and repeat ” There’s no place like home” you can travel back to a time where I give a s***. Nobody cares about soldier time and your Cold War delusions of grandeur. Your personal insults are weak. Typical Bookman sycophant protocol.
++++++++++++++++
Wow. what a hoot. I’ve never said a thing about a purple heart, wounds, or much about my service. This isn’t about me.
Are you on drugs or are you just a total weirdo trying to insult anyone and everyone you can? Have you ever sought treatment?
As to the cold war, the wall fell and Russia capitulated within 2 years of the time I joined, so once again, you got failed in your insults. I guess you are having a rough day today sport getting attention so you’ll just keep getting nastier and nastier and tell more lies until someone engages you. I feel really sorry for you.
I can’t imagine the emotional desert you exist in to be in that much pain that you would stoop to such levels on the internet of all places to get attention. I’d pray for you except I don’t pray. I’ll just heave a sigh in relief secure in the knowledge that I have NEVER been as unhappy for you. I really feel sorry for you and hope you can find some relief. However if attacking me, erroneously or not keeps you from going all postal and shooting a bunch of folks or even yourself, then by all means, attack away, better me on the internet than some poor soul where you live………
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
3:04 pm
Albany, which wingnut talk show did you get it from and what was the full clip of what Obama said, because ya know you guys are known for taking things out of context.
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
3:06 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
3:04 pm
Actually,it came from the decidedly liberal Huffington Post. Care to comment further?
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
3:06 pm
Don’t you have some tickets to write?
I don’t write tickets.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:08 pm
Fred,
You bit didn’t you? Go congratulate yourself about your service. Nobody cares. An I’m completely content in knowing the well you leeches keep digging is almost dried up. I am more than happy. I’m down right giddy.
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
3:09 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
3:04 pm
And, the libs conveniently choose to ignore the fact that Obama called Bush, what was it?, oh yeah, “unpatriotic” for raising the debt ceiling in 2007!
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
3:09 pm
Alright Nero, glad to see you aren’t out shooting anyone. Cool.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:10 pm
Kammie found a pic of her when she was little! Adorable sport!
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
3:11 pm
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
3:09 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
3:04 pm
And, the libs conveniently choose to ignore the fact that Obama called Bush, what was it?, oh yeah, “unpatriotic” for raising the debt ceiling in 2007!
++++++++++++++++++++
Wow, and Rush has only been off air for 10 minutes………..
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:11 pm
Fred,
You’re the one trained to shoot people. Any other sage advice you may have leaned during your “service”?
Steve
December 5th, 2012
3:13 pm
Poor Nero. Probably on welfare himself. Projecting his leechiness to us all who actually aren’t on the dole.
the cat
December 5th, 2012
3:13 pm
Nero were you bullied in elementary school?
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 5th, 2012
3:14 pm
Just ignore Nero – he feeds on the attention. He’s nothing but a troll.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
3:15 pm
Albany, you have links to support your claims? Please post
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
3:16 pm
Not many people know this but “The Simpson-Bowles Plan” is magic. It is whatever you want it to be. It will fix the deficit and grow the economy and it does it without raising taxes on anyone, unless you want to raise taxes on some people, and then it does that. It cuts all government spending but in a way that doesn’t hurt Medicare or The Troops. If you stand in front of a mirror and say “Simpson-Bowles” three times David Gergen and Gloria Borger appear out of nowhere and praise your wisdom and seriousness. “The Simpson-Bowles Plan” gives you Your Country Back and makes it the ’90s again, or the ’50s, or whatever past decade you wish it was, when things were better. Simpson and Bowles were two kindly wizards and they granted America three wishes but dumb Washington, D.C., is too Partisan to make the wishes.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
3:16 pm
nero is a leecher.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:17 pm
Steve,
How did you know?! You’re such a smart detective! Keep it up and you just may get that gold star from Bookman.
AU Liberal in ATL
December 5th, 2012
3:18 pm
Zip. Zero. Nada. He helped build that sleazy shack of a house, let him live in it.
Steve
December 5th, 2012
3:19 pm
I love it how conservatives are coming apart at their seams right now as their party unravels and becomes irrelevant
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:19 pm
getalife is a retired Generation Leech Boomer who likes to steal from the future to satisfy his greedy appetite.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
3:21 pm
nero,
Do you even have a job?
Mommie will kick you out one day child.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:22 pm
I love how the leeches are whistling past the graveyard and patting themselves on the back about the election. Your hubris induced fall will be that much sweeter when the shoe drops.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:23 pm
getalife,
Yes I have a wonderful job. Thanks for asking. When she does can I come live with you grandpa?
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
3:23 pm
dB
getalife
December 5th, 2012
3:24 pm
nero,
No.
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
3:27 pm
…and I thought *I* was angry about yesterday’s Senate treaty vote.
http://bit.ly/TQkrcY
Read the treaty yourself. It’s a bracing statement in favor of the dignity of people with disabilities. Bob Dole supports it, as does George W. Bush, who negotiated it. Eight Republicans, who were just a little weary of the mother####ing, voted for it, too. Why? Because it’s a ####ing treaty to help the disabled that changes nothing in U.S. law, but makes a statement that the world acknowledges the rights of a certain group of people. And because when that comes up, you vote for it, unless you’re a…well, you know by now.
So that’s two of us.
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
3:29 pm
dB
I was wondering if you had read today’s post… My question is answered before I could ask it.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
3:29 pm
Zero is an attention troll.
And as Hillbilly Deluxe once wrote, “I’ve flushed better than him.”
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
3:30 pm
also, too:
So it was that yesterday, 38 Republicans voted against ratifying the United Nations Convention on Rights of Persons with Disabilities, a 2006 treaty that’s been ratified by 126 nations, including Pakistan, Myanmar, and Uganda (and, you know, most of Europe and South America, as well as China). Why did enough Republicans oppose the treaty, which does little more than say, “Hey, we should try to make the lives of people with disabilities a little less sh-tty,” to deny it the two-thirds needed? Because sovereignty. Or freedom. Or something.
(those grafs I’ve posted were the cleanest. The rest, well, just read the rest of the damn thing yourself.)
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:32 pm
Get,
I promise to go down to the mailbox of each of your three houses and dutifully bring you your multiple benefit checks each and every month. C’mon! Say yes. Please?
Union
December 5th, 2012
3:33 pm
“Citi to Cut 11,000 Jobs as New CEO Moves to Slash Costs .”
must be from all those profits bookman was talking about..
getalife
December 5th, 2012
3:33 pm
nero,
Get your own house leech.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:35 pm
JellyVet,
Thanks for your observations. You may now continue your normal diatribes against Republicans.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
3:35 pm
<i….must be from all those profits bookman was talking about..
Just more money for the CEO…
oops
December 5th, 2012
3:35 pm
Bush’s fault has been replaced by: Romney’s fault. Even though the guy doesn’t have power. How pathetic.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/romney-can-retire-later/2012/12/04/6405611a-3e62-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:36 pm
Get,
But you have three. More than your “fair share” don’t you think?
getalife
December 5th, 2012
3:37 pm
nero,
Stop leeching off your parents son.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 5th, 2012
3:37 pm
“Obama Warns GOP Against Debt Ceiling Fight: ‘I Will Not Play That Gam’ ”
“Homey D. Clown” don’t play that game !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVcUuTg5oSc
Union
December 5th, 2012
3:38 pm
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
3:35 pm
“Just more money for the CEO…”
of course..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 5th, 2012
3:38 pm
Excuse me: “Game”
getalife
December 5th, 2012
3:38 pm
“The rich will pay more taxes” crybaby.
Change.
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
3:39 pm
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
3:11 pm
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
3:09 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
3:04 pm
And, the libs conveniently choose to ignore the fact that Obama called Bush, what was it?, oh yeah, “unpatriotic” for raising the debt ceiling in 2007!
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Wow, and Rush has only been off air for 10 minutes………..
Hey, take a look at the Huffington Post, if you like. Truth be known, HP was defending the Prez, saying “times have changed.” For the record, don’t listen to Rush, don’t watch Fox News, so, your tired criticism falls on deaf ears.
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
3:41 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
3:15 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/05/obama-tax-hikes_n_2245427.html
St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014
December 5th, 2012
3:41 pm
don’t listen to Rush, don’t watch Fox News…..
hot damn, that never gets old heheh
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:42 pm
Get,
It’s only fair since your generation has been doing it since well before I was born. Stop leeching off your great-grandchildren pops.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
3:44 pm
Warren on the banking committee is a good move.
Not playing the debt limit game is another good move.
The gop are lost.
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
3:44 pm
Nero,
You sound like a broken record.
Your schtich is beyond lame now.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
3:46 pm
Well Albany, if you read the entire article, you already had the statement of the White House regarding the statement. After Flip Flop Mitt, do you really think it matters if you want to disagree with the White House position? You are unwilling to accept any explanation that does not fit your POV.
skipper
December 5th, 2012
3:49 pm
If I can get all the $ back I pumped into all these programs…..I’d love it! Until then (ha-ha) I do NOT want the medicare age raised! I have paid into S.Security all my life….it needs to be there! Funny…the folks that put the sh*t there from the get-go are the ones who are gonna be left out in the cold! I paid into it all for many years….no freebies for me. Nobody owes me a thing…but I. along with many realize: there is a difference between “entitlement” programs for those who cannot or will not “do”, if I may, and those who played by the rules, faithfully spent a lifetime paying in, and want only what has been earned!
Nero
December 5th, 2012
3:50 pm
All hail moonbat betty! Arbiter of all that is lame. Snicker..:)
indigo
December 5th, 2012
3:51 pm
Boehner and his cronies decided sometime ago to put all their election and re-election eggs in one Big Business basket,so to speak. Now, finding himself in an impossible situation, he’s desperately playing both sides in a last ditch effort to save his political skin. Brutal Big Business sponsors will tolerate NO deviating from the no taxes on the rich stance. So, in all likelihood, Boehner is living on borrowed political time.
Nothing good for the Republicans will come from this. And, if we all go over the cliff, nothing good will come for either Party or middle-class and poor Americans.
Only the(surpirse)rich will come out essentially unaffected.
DebbieDoRight -- A Do Right Woman
December 5th, 2012
3:52 pm
Everyone………..
Stop Feeding The Troll………
If you keep playing with that thing you’ll go blind…………..
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
3:52 pm
Why thank you, Nero.
Speaking of lame, are you one of these Jugglo kids, who think they know everything, but are really clowns?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odeXKQ_E8iU
USA Patriot
December 5th, 2012
3:53 pm
Maxine Waters as the leading Dem on the House Financial Services Committee?? Talk about putting the wolf in the hen house! Yikes!
stands for decibels
December 5th, 2012
3:54 pm
If I can get all the $ back I pumped into all these programs…..I’d love it!
you might, you might not. That’s the way insurance works.
But otherwise, point taken. You have a great deal of company. (linking again…)
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2012/11/28/americans-overwhelming-oppose-raising-the-medicare-retirement-age/
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
3:57 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
3:46 pm
Well Albany, if you read the entire article, you already had the statement of the White House regarding the statement. After Flip Flop Mitt, do you really think it matters if you want to disagree with the White House position? You are unwilling to accept any explanation that does not fit your POV.
As opposed to gulping down everything that comes out of the WH with a smile on your face?
Union
December 5th, 2012
3:58 pm
funny thing.. it would be a win win for obama if we didnt reach an agreement and had our little fiscal cliff issue..
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
4:00 pm
Keep up the Good Fight: No comment on Bush being “unpatriotic?” Come on, don’t avoid the question because if he was then, Obama is now!
skipper
December 5th, 2012
4:00 pm
stands for decibels:
Thanks for the link……it says it all!
Brosephus™
December 5th, 2012
4:00 pm
skipper
Be careful as talking like that on this blog will get you labeled as a “Librul”.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
4:01 pm
Nope Albany, I reviewed the facts and made my own decision as to veracity of the claims…. Sorry you can’t understand that unless Fox and Rush tell you what to do.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:02 pm
Betty,
Nah, Faygo is too ghetto for my tastes. Plus I try to not emulate anything that comes from Detroit. More for you sweet cheeks.
indigo
December 5th, 2012
4:03 pm
the cat
Nero is still in elementary school. He is being homeschooled by rich parents who don’t give a flying f*ck about anyone but themselves.
Ken
December 5th, 2012
4:04 pm
Billions in taxes, trillions in debt. Simple math . There is no end game.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:05 pm
indigo,
I love you too!
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
4:06 pm
…it would be a win win for obama if we didnt reach an agreement and had our little fiscal cliff issue..
Yep, I believe you are correct; the jig is up.
Many more Americans than not, now believe that the GOP is the worst of the two evil options regarding any and all matters fiscal.
The consequences of thirty years of trickle down insanity…
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
4:06 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
4:01 pm
Nope Albany, I reviewed the facts and made my own decision as to veracity of the claims…. Sorry you can’t understand that unless Fox and Rush tell you what to do.
The facts, as reported by MSNBC? Chris Matthews or Al Sharpton?
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
4:07 pm
Bush was not unpatriotic. He was just staggeringly incompetent…
DebbieDoRight -- A Do Right Woman
December 5th, 2012
4:07 pm
What are you talking about Jam? Trickle down worked!!! Didn’t you feel that golden stream of wealth dripping on you?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 5th, 2012
4:10 pm
Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
—Mark Twain
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
4:12 pm
For the record, don’t listen to Rush, don’t watch Fox News, so, your tired criticism falls on deaf ears.
We know, thye follow YOU around all day so they know what the talking points are. You whip Chuck Norris’s ass too I suppose……….
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:12 pm
No Deborah, your catheter slipped out again.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
4:13 pm
Albany, again you failed to post the context about the unpatriotic. It was indeed wrong to spend on 2 wars and give tax cuts at the same time and to put the entire amount on the “credit card”. I won’t get into the “unpatriotic” nonsense. But really if you want to claim now that Obama was unpatriotic, then I guess you have to concede he was right on Bush (but you still support Bush like the silly goose you are). Of course there in another distinction, Obama was forced to spend to save the economy after Bush destroyed it, Bush did not have fight the Iraq war.
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 5th, 2012
4:13 pm
Debbie – that was a good one!
DownInAlbany
December 5th, 2012
4:15 pm
No takers on the “unpatriotic” label, except for Jam’s usual deflections. But, then again, if Bush was incompetent, what does that make Obama? Just wondering…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 5th, 2012
4:16 pm
well Albany, what I don’t do is listen to a political arm of the GOP that lies constantly. You’re really looking foolish.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:16 pm
“…force to spend to save the economy…” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I think a little pee just came out!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 5th, 2012
4:17 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I think a little pee just came out!
They make diapers for that.
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
4:18 pm
You have pklenty of takers. You just refuse the answers to your stupid
lies “questions.”Get over it, your bad talk radio FOXBOTS lies were soundly rejected by the American people. Get new lies and quit recycling the old ones. It’s boring as well as false.
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
4:18 pm
You have plenty of takers. You just refuse the answers to your stupid
lies“questions.”Get over it, your bad talk radio FOXBOTS lies were soundly rejected by the American people. Get new lies and quit recycling the old ones. It’s boring as well as false.
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 5th, 2012
4:18 pm
If Bush was incompetent (he wasn’t, it was much worse than that) then what does that make Obama?
It makes Obama a lot better than Bush ever could be. Obama stablized the economy. Bush destroyed it. I still say the Republicans should just get out of the way. Give Obama everything he wants and if it fails then they can say we told you so. If it works then they can claim credit for being the party that helped the President fix our problems. A win-win if I ever saw one.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
4:19 pm
Downer, are you suggesting that coconuts migrate? And that Bush was not staggeringly incompetent?
Debbie, the poor sots think that Reaganomics has been a smashing success.
And it has.
It been a success for the oligarchs, plutocrats and the 1% club and the rest of us have gotten smashed!
Erwin's cat
December 5th, 2012
4:19 pm
indigo – He is being homeschooled by rich parents who don’t give a flying f*ck about anyone but themselves.
I think this statement says more about Indigo you than Zero
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
4:20 pm
Jamvet? Aren’t YOU a one percenter? I always thought you made at least $347,000…………..
barking frog
December 5th, 2012
4:21 pm
The President is about to make johnny boehner cry for real as he hangs a tax
increase around the tea party’s neck and it will be the expiration of Republican
tax cuts that do it. His hands will be clean.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:23 pm
Thanks for the tip Cheesy! Bless your heart!
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:25 pm
Erwin’s cat,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
killerj
December 5th, 2012
4:27 pm
Sorry Jay,there are “A LOT” of people in this country who feel the same,tell me how its working out? about the same as the last 4 years.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
4:31 pm
Fred, I do makes $347K.
It’s just that it takes me a little more than 12 months to make it!
As for John “BIG Tobacco Lobbyist’ Boehner, he should be tarred (or maybe nicotined) and feathered and run out of Washington…
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
4:33 pm
Speaking of trickle down…
Obama is peeing on all of us and you think its champagne.
Drink up!
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
4:35 pm
LOL Jam. Good answer. You know folks like me and you are going to actually FEEL the tax increase unlike the yber rich, yet we see the sense in it. Why don’t they/ Why do their FOXBOT talk radio sheeple carry the water for them? THAT I don’t understand.
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
4:36 pm
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
4:33 pm
Speaking of trickle down…
Obama is peeing on all of us and you think its champagne.
Drink up!
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Come on Betty, Obama is black, that’s not champagne, it’s champale or some other malt liquor. Get with the program………
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
4:38 pm
Fred, most rational folks wouldn’t mind a slight tax increase if they (government) could show some restraint and resposibility in the spending of tax dollars.
JamVet
December 5th, 2012
4:39 pm
It is exceedingly hard to understand today’s self-destructive Republicans, Fred.
And like Forrest, that is all I’ve got say about that!
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
4:40 pm
No, Fred, it’s P.
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
4:41 pm
Well Betty, I’m sure you’ve read MY solution before lol. And it hinges on spending cuts to activate the tax increases……..
guy
December 5th, 2012
4:42 pm
Alan Sprague,
obama is the president of those who voted for him.People have the right to kiss up to obama or not.I am sure they don’t want or need your sympathy as they are very capable of thinking for themselves. In case you didn’t know,there are millions who don’t care for your president. Don’t tread on them!!!!!
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:43 pm
Mmm champagne!!! Krug Clos d’Ambonnay 2008 please!
TaxPayer
December 5th, 2012
4:43 pm
Here’s a little tribute to “Cryin’ Man” Boehner.
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
4:49 pm
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:43 pm
Mmm champagne!!! Krug Clos d’Ambonnay 2008 please!
+++++++++++++++++++++
Yeah, like you even know what that is or had had it. Oh wait, don’t tell me, you have a case of it right?
Fred ™
December 5th, 2012
4:50 pm
guy
December 5th, 2012
4:42 pm
Alan Sprague,
obama is the president of those who voted for him.People have the right to kiss up to obama or not.I am sure they don’t want or need your sympathy as they are very capable of thinking for themselves. In case you didn’t know,there are millions who don’t care for your president. Don’t tread on them!!!!!
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Unless you are a traitor or a citizen of another Country Obama is YOUR president as well. If not then LEAVE.
getalife
December 5th, 2012
4:50 pm
Our President campaigned on raising taxes on the wealthy for two years and won.
The crybaby caved like he should.
Our President added raising the debt limit to the deal.
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:53 pm
Fred,
No, just a bottle 2010. You keep drinking that Colt .45 that the leeches are pouring. Billy Dee say hey.
moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
4:55 pm
“Our President campaigned on raising taxes on the wealthy for two years and won.”
Problem is getalife, they are not going up just on the wealthy…
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:55 pm
Americans come from a long and proud line of traitors. Your president…LOL!!!
Nero
December 5th, 2012
4:59 pm
Let sequestration happen. It’s a win-win for “our” prez, right?
getalife
December 5th, 2012
5:06 pm
“Problem is getalife, they are not going up just on the wealthy…”
The Senate passed a middle tax cut.
The house can too and our President will sign it.
Tundra Dude
December 5th, 2012
5:15 pm
sheets
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 5th, 2012
5:42 pm
Wow, a whole thread disappears.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 5th, 2012
5:54 pm
Kam
The are feeding your troll on the new sheets LOL
Boehner Is A Bought and Bossed Man
December 5th, 2012
6:52 pm
@Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 5th, 2012
4:10 pm
Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
===========================================================
It is awful funny that when some posters on THIS blog and
on KYLE WINGFIELD’S BLOG do what MOST OF YOU ARE DOING,,,,,
like going off topic and just bickering back and forth…..
and name calling….especially if they DISAGREE WITH THE
WRITER OF THE BLOG.
THEY ARE BLOCKED FROM RESPONDING.
That makes me think that the MONITORS are blocking some
by their email and blog name and THAT to me is DISCRIMINATION.
Boehner Is A Bought and Bossed Man
December 5th, 2012
7:00 pm
@moonbat betty
December 5th, 2012
4:33 pm
Speaking of trickle down…
Obama is peeing on all of us and you think its champagne.
Drink up!
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“IF” Obama is “peeing” (your word) on you………….
The CONS are doing FAR WORSE…………………..
They are (it rhymes with kitting) on YOU.