America’s political challenge, in one little chart
Two data points:
1.) Corporate profits — corporate after-tax profits — reached $1.75 trillion in the third quarter of 2012, an increase of 18.6 percent over a year ago. In fact, corporate after-tax profits now account for a bigger share of the national economy than at any point since World War II ended.
2.) Workers’ wages, on the other hand, now account for just 43.5 percent of our national economy. That is the lowest share of the national economy going into workers’ paychecks that has been recorded since World War II.
In fact, when you combine those two statistics into a single chart, you have created a snapshot of the single most important, consequential long-term issue facing both the U.S. economy and the U.S. political system. It looks like this:
In the chart, the share of the national economy, or GDP, going to workers’ paychecks is in blue. The share of the economy that is going to corporate profits is in red. (Note that in this combined chart, the two statistics have separate scales.)
Again, those are after-tax profits. While corporate chieftains complain that taxes and regulation and unions have made it difficult to do business here — Bernie Marcus of Home Depot is fond of complaining that he and Arthur Blank could never have created that company in today’s business climate — in reality times have never been better in terms of corporate profitability.
There is every indication that this isn’t the end of it, and that both trends will continue over the long term. They are being driven by factors such as technology and globalization, which empower and enrich capital while undercutting the ability of workers to demand anything close to their previous share of the economic pie.
These trends also create the backdrop for the battles being fought in Washington. Should government attempt to compensate in any way for the massive shift in income distribution away from employees, such as by providing health-care and education assistance? Or must government serve only as a disinterested bystander during this historic transfer of economic wealth and power?
The 2012 election was in some ways a referendum on that question, but its verdict was far from definitive. To the contrary, this conflict will continue to provide the subtext of American politics for at least a generation. The fiscal cliff, entitlements, Obamacare, the 47 percent, the 1 percent, corporate taxes, CEO pay, Wall Street, Medicare — the entire spectrum of economic issues confronting our political system is being driven by the forces portrayed in this chart.
– Jay Bookman
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Doggone/GA
December 4th, 2012
6:36 pm
“Read the prospectus, doofus”
In other words…YOU don’t know.
Doggone/GA
December 4th, 2012
6:38 pm
“Question, would you rather have “your” money in the private sector or government?”
Well, let’s see. The economy crashed not too long after Bush II took office and I lost half of my inveseted pension. Then it crashed again just before he left office, and I lost half ot what was left. Can’t say that I find the private sector to have taken very good care of my investments.
barking frog
December 4th, 2012
6:38 pm
“hurtling toward the fiscal cliff’ -Diane Sawyer
What BS.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 4th, 2012
6:38 pm
They’re called dividends…
All stocks pay dividends?
The things I learn here….
USA Patriot
December 4th, 2012
6:40 pm
Um, Doggone – public companies have to report where “ALL” of the monies go. Government, not so much.
barking frog
December 4th, 2012
6:40 pm
Avoid the fiscal cliff, just raise Medicare eligibility from 65 to 67.
More BS.
josef
December 4th, 2012
6:41 pm
getalife
Minorities? If you mean Blacks…yes, but not a bad record on others…better than the rest of the country in a lot of cases, just being EOI. But as for your comment:
“The South will not rise again because their voters fight against their own paychecks”
That, sadly, has been pretty much the case for the last 400 years of Southern history…starting with the House of Burgesses and moving right along to the just past election…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 4th, 2012
6:41 pm
“America’s political challenge, in one little chart”
America’s politcal challenge, in one little phrase !
“LEFTISM IS BASED ON EMOTION NOT REASON”
Doggone/GA
December 4th, 2012
6:42 pm
Enter your comments here”Um, Doggone – public companies have to report where “ALL” of the monies go”
Ok, so where DOES that money go? ‘Cause very little of it seems to have come MY way. My invested pension money has ALMOST recovered from the last crash. Still hasn’t recovered from the one before that.
josef
December 4th, 2012
6:44 pm
SCOUT
Great…you’re here…history question for ya…what was the first country to recognize the United States of America and which is our first, longest standing and unbroken treaty?
USA Patriot
December 4th, 2012
6:44 pm
Now, come on Doggone – you’re going to look at an 8 yr span on investments? For retirement? Not making excuses, but there were some extenuating circumstances in ‘01 & ‘08. Hey, to each his own, wherever you are most comfortable with your monies, rock on!
USA Patriot
December 4th, 2012
6:45 pm
Kam, yea, “all companies pay dividends”…FYI! Once again, figure it out.
F. Sinkwich
December 4th, 2012
6:45 pm
“Well, let’s see. The economy crashed not too long after Bush II took office and I lost half of my inveseted pension. Then it crashed again just before he left office, and I lost half ot what was left. Can’t say that I find the private sector to have taken very good care of my investments.”
Wow. You’re the only lib ilk here who hasn’t made a fortune since O’bozo became Preezy.
Pity.
Tom Middleton
December 4th, 2012
6:45 pm
Josef
There’s indirect knowledge or what you accept on intellectual faith and there’s direct – what you see, become spiritually, move beyond, and know for sure.
Living as an eternal observer in order to think yourself educated is not knowing for sure. For that, you must begin a spiritual process of self-confrontation and change that I can see no evidence you are even capable of.
In fact, whenever the subject comes up on this blog, you run away like one of your scared little students. I mean, when we are talking about the truth, Josef: YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Meanwhile, the spiritual life is the real deal, my friend, not of your silly academic games. Put away the booze, marijuana, and abstract musings forever, and learn to move beyond yourself to become who you really are. You should know by now who that really is, Josef; I shouldn’t have to say it ever again.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 4th, 2012
6:46 pm
Not making excuses, but…
Caveat.
There’s your sign.
barking frog
December 4th, 2012
6:46 pm
0311
“LEFTISM IS BASED ON EMOTION NOT REASON”
Yep. Feed the hungry. House the homeless. Heal the sick.
That Jesus was some more Liberal.
F. Sinkwich
December 4th, 2012
6:48 pm
“All stocks pay dividends?”
Nope.
Read the prospectus.
Doofus lib ilk.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 4th, 2012
6:48 pm
Doggone – there is that little concept of growth in value. I suspect more profits come from stock or mutual fund growth than come from dividends. However, I have not researched this, so blast away.
Jay
December 4th, 2012
6:48 pm
Josef, back then Brazil, Cuba and Puerto Rico weren’t in the mainstream of anything. They were the definition of backwaters. Then even more than now, the United States was easily the biggest power in the hemisphere.
In fact, I’d argue that the abolition of slavery in the United States — accomplished at great cost, and under intense global scrutiny — greatly accelerated the cause of abolition in the countries that you mention. It made clear what the trend would be, and compounded the moral and economic pressure on others to conform to the emerging international norm.
To further pursue our little exercise in counter-factual history, the existence of a large Confederate States of America that had successfully defended slavery through force of arms probably would have had the opposite effect. It would have prolonged slavery not just here but in the other countries that you mention as well.
One more point, just to be clear. If it had been the Northern states that had become economically dependent on slavery, I have no doubt that it would have been the Northern states fighting to defend it. For example, it wasn’t a historical accident that the Northern states began pushing for an end to slave importation right about the time that it became a lot less lucrative for them. It was all about the Benjamins.
Likewise, it’s no accident that Georgia began to pass restrictive laws against illegal immigration exactly at the moment that the housing boom ended and illegal immigrants lost their economic value. Funny how that kind of thing happens, time and again. Almost as if it were a pattern.
USA Patriot
December 4th, 2012
6:49 pm
Come on Kam! Here’s my sign…..FYI! Figure it out!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 4th, 2012
6:50 pm
josef:
Not sure but I think Holland.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 4th, 2012
6:51 pm
barking frog:
The “heart” will not help the poor ESCAPE poverty but “wisdom” will.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 4th, 2012
6:54 pm
“All stocks pay dividends?”
Nope.
No kidding.
Not conversant in sarcasm, I see.
Must be an ilk thingie.
barking frog
December 4th, 2012
6:54 pm
0311
The “heart” will not help the poor ESCAPE poverty but “wisdom” will.
…………………………………………..
I wish you could have told Jesus that. He might have be alive today.
josef
December 4th, 2012
6:55 pm
TOM
Oh, deliver me from that pious “spiritual journey” I’ve been on one, too. So, yours has brought you to the truth? Do tell, do you hold a patent on it, now? By all means, take it on the road and sell as much as folks will buy. In my spiritual journey, I have found few truths, much less THE, and only more questions.
And, yes, I am an observer. That’s why I come here. I’m actually interested in what other people think, how they feel…it puts a lot of the other things I do into perspective…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 4th, 2012
6:55 pm
Just finished reading 1493 and the author makes this point.
Indentured servants from Europe were actually cheaper labor than African/Native American slavery.
The dividing line for the type of malaria present in the New World was roughly Maryland.
Europeans and Native Americans were by a very high percentage killed by malaria.
West Africans were almost totally immune to it.
Thus, West African slavery flourished below the “malaria line” but didn’t north of it because of economics.
Just sayin’ …………. had it been the reverse.
josef
December 4th, 2012
6:57 pm
SCOUT
Nope. Morocco. Also the treaty of friendship signed is the first, longest and unbroken one…I had thought it was Holland, too…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 4th, 2012
7:00 pm
barking frog:
Jesus fed thousands of people on two occasions through His miracles.
He could have fed the entire world but that was not His purpose in coming so he didn’t.
He also said, “The poor you will have with you always”.
He also instructs us to help the poor …………. and that’s where heart vs. wisdom comes in.
The police officer bought that shoeless man boots the other night and he should have but that alone will not help him from his poverty. It takes “wisdom” to do that.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 4th, 2012
7:01 pm
josef:
Interesting. How about my 6:55 ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 4th, 2012
7:02 pm
Heard this today:
“People in Egypt thought they knew who they were voting for just like Obama voters here.”
SURPRISE !
middle of the road
December 4th, 2012
7:04 pm
“Make the minimum wage $18 an hour.”
And business will find it more economical to automate. Can you say self-checkout? Either that or you pay $20 for that McDonald’s hamburger.
Do you see many full-service gas stations anymore?
barking frog
December 4th, 2012
7:07 pm
0311
Teach wisdom to a man that has an apartment to live in but
refuses, a veteran on benefits, a family that says he chooses
his lifestyle, and has hid the boots to keep from being killed
for them. Good example. How about your republican
governor that in his wisdom denies medicaid to children
in order to protect your wealth at some vague time in the
future. would not that be a better example of wisdom over heart?
hiram
December 4th, 2012
7:07 pm
One doesn’t have to invest in a radio to hear about the boogie men Rush’s script writers fabricate from day to day, to arouse the ditto heads, so they stay tuned in between Snapple commericals. Just read Jay’s blog.
Nunna Yobinnes
December 4th, 2012
7:08 pm
Nonsense middle of the road, we have already established the minimum wage as $33.65/Hr ($70,000/2080 Hrs). $18 per hour is far too low.
josef
December 4th, 2012
7:11 pm
JAY
One, Brazil was very much in the mainstream, culturally, economically etc. Read up on its contributions at that time. I’ll have to give you that Cuba and Puerto Rico were backwaters, still Spanish and Spain in a pitiful state of decline…still, though, their cultural world views were tied to the mainstream, being Spanish speaking and Catholic…
I also will agree with you that a independent South would have given a temporary “boom” to a continuation of the slave labor system, but the industrial revolution was already making its impact in the South and the industrial capitalists, in the South as in the North, found “free” labor a better investment overall.
Your “One more point…”
I entirely agree with that. It was all about the Benjamins. Which is why I get in such a dither over the moral high ground grandstanding when “passing judgment.”
And, as for the immigration thing, well, you know I’ve riled a few here with my own comments on that, which pretty much are just what you said in fewer words.
But, then, you know how I feel about the water fountain epiphanies…
F. Sinkwich
December 4th, 2012
7:14 pm
“at some vague time in the future.”
Kinda like O’bozo’s “spending cuts,” huh?
Nunna Yobinnes
December 4th, 2012
7:14 pm
Them yankees liked that cheap cotton.
Doggone/GA
December 4th, 2012
7:16 pm
“you’re going to look at an 8 yr span on investments? For retirement?”
Nope. 35 years. That’s how long it took to build it up. It took less than 8 years to lose half, then lose half again.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 4th, 2012
7:20 pm
barking frog:
That’s a debatable issue with many facets other than what you described.
And ……….. it will never be “solved” but it will be improved by collective wisdom.
josef
December 4th, 2012
7:20 pm
SCOUT
On that @ 6:55…when you brought it up the other night, I went back and was leafing through it. That, believe it or not, was what got me started on the search that led me to the Morocco one…the Barbary states, it turns out, were very heavily involved in slave raids in Christian Europe (estimates in the number taken are conservatively estimated at over a million just in the 16th and 17th Centuries. The Moroccans were involved, but far eclipsed by Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli. They saw a better market in the sub Saharan trade and part of their deal with the Americans was to aid in suppressing the Barbary trade in European slaves and to “open their ports” to American (New England
) shipping…and it wasn’t sand they were shipping out…
Erwin's cat
December 4th, 2012
7:24 pm
The police officer bought that shoeless man boots the other night and he should have but that alone will not help him from his poverty. It takes “wisdom” to do that.
I also read a story where the same guy was spotted shoeless 2 days later…i think he said he hid them…just sayin
Oscar
December 4th, 2012
7:25 pm
Erwin – He said he hid them because they were so expensive.
Erwin's cat
December 4th, 2012
7:27 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/03/homeless-boots-nyc/1742199/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29
josef
December 4th, 2012
7:28 pm
ERWIN’S CAT
Random acts of kindness and compassion…we need more of it…
Jack ®
December 4th, 2012
7:30 pm
Bookman should incorporate his knowlege and wisdom and began a daily newspaper of his own. That way he could hire all the malcontents in his blog since he and they know more about running a business than the business owners do. Then we can all live happily everafter; just like in the movies.
weetamoe
December 4th, 2012
7:30 pm
So Obama consults with his WH guests Sharpton and Maddow about tax policy. A guy with blood on his hands and a conviction for lying defamation and a woman who makes snickering vulgar homosexual jokes on her TV program. Spare me the whines that this Obama who has so denigrated the office of the presidency merits any *respect.*
Tom Middleton
December 4th, 2012
7:39 pm
Well, it’s obvious, Josef, that you’re still in love with your illusion, also known as your limits or psychological prison bars. And since there’s nothing anyone can do to loosen your grip on who you are at the moment if you don’t want to hear it, then so be it. It’s all your choice, anyway.
All I try to do when I think the time appropriate is make sure that when folks like you reach the point where their dreams crash and burn and their love, even of themselves, becomes hated, that there’s a higher road available to a “place” with no limits at all.
Now how am I going to make money trying to sell that, even if I wanted to try? But I’ll be here Josef, Jay Bookman and God willing, should you ever want to try to respond to me again. You have a front-of-the-line pass should you ever want to use it.
Oh, and just a helpful hint going forward, my friend: You won’t be running me off like you did Mary Elizabeth, a truly educated and thoughtful person honest to the core. Now there’s someone who gets it, and I can’t figure out why you can’t!
USA Patriot
December 4th, 2012
7:40 pm
Doggone – you & few other million people are in the same boat, sad, but true. You’re 4 yrs later, your monies should’ve improved, somewhat, I hope. Has it?
USA Patriot
December 4th, 2012
7:41 pm
Jack – right on, right on, right on!
Doggone/GA
December 4th, 2012
7:42 pm
“You’re 4 yrs later, your monies should’ve improved, somewhat, I hope”
Somewhat. I already said it’s about back where it was after the last crash, still hasn’t recovered to before the previous one. Not nearly enough to retire on…which is one of many reasons why I’m still working.
josef
December 4th, 2012
7:43 pm
TOM
Just what “illusion” is that?
Soothsayer
December 4th, 2012
7:49 pm
There are some important dates in the chart above. The first major drop in (real) wages occurred after Nixon (and the Federal Reserve) took the country off the gold standard and the country printed money (inflated) to pay for the Viet Nam war.
Apart from the general decline since 1973, the major declines occurred after the signing of NAFTA and the admittance of China to the WTO. This coupled with MFN (most favored nation) status placed the American (and all OECD) workers in direct competition with the nearly 1 billion workers in low-wage China and Viet Nam (among others).
Despite all of this, the average American worker blindly flocks to Wal-Mart and loads up on cheap flat-screens, etc. made by the very people who took their jobs. What’s worse is they think they are getting a “bargain.”
When you see things like the above, it makes one wonder who our government really represents. Surely, it cannot be the American worker.
USA Patriot
December 4th, 2012
7:51 pm
Doggone – Yep, that’s why a lot of us are still working. What could / would you have done differently?
Oscar
December 4th, 2012
7:53 pm
Sooth – The idea was that cheap goods or goods made with unskilled labor – shirts, shoes – would be made in China and Mexico and we would still make all the technical stuff with skilled labor from our more highly educated work force.
Not worked out so good so far.
Doggone/GA
December 4th, 2012
7:55 pm
“What could / would you have done differently?”
I wouldn’t have retired when I did. I should have just kept working.
Oscar
December 4th, 2012
7:57 pm
I think countries, civilizations fall from overpopulation. Population grows so much that unployment is so high the structure collaspes.
Anyone see us heading in that direction.
josef
December 4th, 2012
7:59 pm
OSCAR
Have you read Gibbon?
USA Patriot
December 4th, 2012
8:00 pm
“I wouldn’t have retired when I did. I should have just kept working.”
Well, best of luck to you & yours! Back to my original point, still think you’re better off with your pension invested in the “markets”, rather than relying on the government. To each his own.
TaxPayer
December 4th, 2012
8:02 pm
I believe President Obama has learned how to deal with Republicans now that he has a term under his belt. He will inform the Republicans that he is the man with the mandate and the Republicans will bow down and submit to higher taxation. The Republicans are not in a position to demand anything. President Obama will however throw them a few bones (not because he has to but because he knows certain things such as payroll taxes actually do need to go back up to cover those bills) and allow them to use them to save face. Republicans should make the best of that most generous offer. It’s that or a lump of coal. Merry Christmas.
Soothsayer
December 4th, 2012
8:03 pm
I think countries, civilizations fall from overpopulation. Population grows so much that unployment is so high the structure collaspes.
Anyone see us heading in that direction[?]
Oscar, I was reading an article just the other day that births in the U.S. are at their lowest since the Great Depression of the 20s & 30s. This is especially true among Hispanics. I’ll try to find it.
Mick
December 4th, 2012
8:03 pm
sooth
**When you see things like the above, it makes one wonder who our government really represents. Surely, it cannot be the American worker.**
It’a all about the money and the few, obscene wealth supported by the blinded water carriers, how much is enough? The walton family and their greed is an american disgrace…
Soothsayer
December 4th, 2012
8:05 pm
Recession Left Baby Bust as U.S. Births Lowest Since 1920
The U.S. birth rate fell to a record low last year, driven by a decline in the number of babies born to immigrant women, who have led the growth in the nation’s population for at least two decades.
The country’s birth rate fell 8 percent from 2007 to 2010, according to a Pew Research Center report. The rate dropped 6 percent for U.S.-born women and plummeted 14 percent for foreign-born females since 2007, the onset of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. The decline continued last year to the lowest point since records began in 1920.
Here it is.
Soothsayer
December 4th, 2012
8:08 pm
It’a all about the money and the few, obscene wealth supported by the blinded water carriers, how much is enough?
Mick: it’s like I’ve always said, we live in a Corporatocracy. One in which we (the American public) choose who will represent corporations and keep their best interests in mind. I don’t see this changing anytime soon.
indigo
December 4th, 2012
8:09 pm
josef
I’m a little slow tonight.
What in the WORLD is Tom Middleton talking about?
josef
December 4th, 2012
8:18 pm
indigo
I’m not real sure…I don’t think he likes me very much…
SEC
December 4th, 2012
8:19 pm
“And if the South had won, continued generations of black Americans would have been born into and died in slavery. Let’s not blithely overlook that tidy little detail, now shall we?”
Now I know we have entirely different history books. What NY publishing company printed your book?
Tom Middleton
December 4th, 2012
8:20 pm
Josef: “Just what “illusion” is that?”
Who you think you are, Josef, in a temporary world constantly changing, often right before your eyes. That’s the illusion, my friend, including you who thinks it’s real.
Only the absolute is never-changing and real, and that’s called God. But you think God should serve you, don’t you?… at least you’ve said so in the past. Do they teach that in Judaism, Josef? Is that part of the chosen-people thing? Is that why you hate Christmas? It certainly isn’t Christian!
SEC
December 4th, 2012
8:21 pm
We have replaced natural born citizens with anchor babies and illegal immigrants.
TaxPayer
December 4th, 2012
8:24 pm
Oh No! The pod people are taking over Amurica.
Doggone/GA
December 4th, 2012
8:25 pm
“with anchor babies”
There’s no such thing
Mick
December 4th, 2012
8:26 pm
sooth
You may be right, yet there are many of us out here that will refuse to accept serfdom. Old battles will have to be re-fought and won again. The only question that remains is how close are we to the tipping point???
Soothsayer
December 4th, 2012
8:26 pm
This whole chart and, indeed, the predicament we find ourselves in can be boiled down into a single concept: Tragedy of the Commons.
In its original form, the Tragedy of the Commons dealt with a group of farmers who adjoined an Alpine meadow. The meadow was rather large, but had limits. At first, the farmers limited the number of cows they grazed in the meadow.
But, as you might have guessed, the farmers each decided to act in their own selfish interests and grazed more cows in the meadow.
Finally, the meadow couldn’t support all of the cows and the grass all died — along with all of the cows.
This scenario has played out countless times. From the collapse of the cod fishery in the Northeast in the 90s to the impending collapse of the Pacific tuna fishery to the collapse of farming in the Dust Bowl to the impending collapse of the world eco-system to name a few.
As it relates to this argument, the “commons” is the United States economy. Corporations are only interested in a “fast buck,” i.e., acting in their own self-interest. Can collapse be far behind?
TaxPayer
December 4th, 2012
8:27 pm
There’s no such thing
That doesn’t matter to a con.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 4th, 2012
8:28 pm
We have replaced natural born citizens with anchor babies and illegal immigrants
Them indian reservations were created long ago to make room for anchor babies and illegals. See Plymouth.
SEC
December 4th, 2012
8:30 pm
“As it relates to this argument, the “commons” is the United States economy. Corporations are only interested in a “fast buck,” i.e., acting in their own self-interest. Can collapse be far behind?”
Raise the minimun wage to $20 ph. That should downsize them some.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 4th, 2012
8:30 pm
But good news, while them illegals cut your yard, and the anchor babies can hold down the furniture while you lose big time at the native American casino.
josef
December 4th, 2012
8:30 pm
TOM
Where have I said G-d serves me? I’m not following that.
“Who you think you are, Josef, in a temporary world constantly changing, often right before your eyes.”
And, I hope, trust, and pray that I am changing right along with it…
” Is that part of the chosen-people thing..”
Well, there are certainly SOME Southerners who, well, don’t exactly hold Jews in the highest regards…
“Is that why you hate Christmas?”
Say what? You sure are full of suppositions…I love Baby Jesus’ Birthday…this is one of the most wonderful seasons of the year to me…
Oscar
December 4th, 2012
8:31 pm
josef – No, I have never read Gibbon.
SEC
December 4th, 2012
8:33 pm
“Them indian reservations were created long ago to make room for anchor babies and illegals. See Plymouth.”
Yeah just like those Africans took over Europe from the Neanderthals
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 4th, 2012
8:37 pm
Yeah just like those Africans took over Europe from the Neanderthals
So how did you manage to get out of Europe, was it before they took over or were you swallowed up by a mammoth and excreted here?
Brosephus™
December 4th, 2012
8:43 pm
Have you read Gibbon?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE
SEC
December 4th, 2012
8:46 pm
“So how did you manage to get out of Europe, was it before they took over or were you swallowed up by a mammoth and excreted here?”
It was genetics, the “man” genetically appeared. You know with white skin and straight hair and ideas of liberty and freedom from communist dictators.
Tom Middleton
December 4th, 2012
8:50 pm
Josef, do I really need to link you to your own words. I can’t believe that my old memory is that much better than yours, but I can and will find it from conversations past. But between now and then, maybe you can tell us how you serve God and who God is in your day-to-day living?
You’ve told me that there are none of the teachings in the New Testament not also found in the old. Do you remember saying that, and does it not mean that since Jesus was the embodiment of everything he taught, that you as a Jew believe in him today?
Josef, are you a Christian, especially since you love the baby Jesus and celebrate his birth each Christmas?
Josef
December 4th, 2012
8:53 pm
Brosephus…
Oh, good! You’re here…that Africans taking over the Netherlands…are you thinking what I’m thinking on statistically verifiable superiority?
SEC
December 4th, 2012
8:55 pm
Tom Middleton:
Are you waging the war on Christmas now or do you just attack christains daily?
SEC
December 4th, 2012
8:57 pm
Josef
Is that a gay thought?
Fred ™
December 4th, 2012
8:57 pm
Wow. in just a couple of short minutes, I’ve learned all KINDS of things about josef I never knew before. LOL I think josef was learning them as well since I learned them from Tom.
Isn’t it great josef when folks tell you what you like, dislike, think, and feel? I wish old Tom would tell me if I look like a beer because I feel like one. Well at least I THINK I feel like a beer but I’m not sure it will be confirmed unless Tom tells me I feel like a beer………
Brosephus™
December 4th, 2012
8:59 pm
josef
Even Fred’s seen the chart.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 4th, 2012
9:01 pm
Fred feels like a beer therefore he is a beer? Why next he’ll feel like a woman and his wife is in for a shock.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 4th, 2012
9:04 pm
Fred
Have you ever felt like not having a beer?
St Simons - he-ne-ha BOOTAKOOK 2014
December 4th, 2012
9:05 pm
“the anchor babies can hold down the furniture while you
lose big time at the native American casino.”
buuuut enough about Chip Rogers….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 4th, 2012
9:05 pm
Photos of Fred
Warning: Not safe for josef.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 4th, 2012
9:05 pm
Feel Like A Woman?
I would like to feel Shania Twain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJL4UGSbeFg
Josef
December 4th, 2012
9:07 pm
Tom…
How I serve G-d in my day to day life is between me and H-m…
I have no problem with the teachings of the Christ…he was, in my view, a good Jew.
Do I “believe in” Jesus? Do you mean do I accept him as the Messiah? In the traditional Jewish sense, no. As the one who took the Abrahamic tradition to the goyim and with it that code of ethics and learning? Yes.
Why do I “celebrate” Christmas? One, I like the concept of innocence and the joy of welcoming a new life as yet untouched by the myriad of flaws tha befall the human character and spirit, and two, I live in a Christian society and culture…
Brosephus™
December 4th, 2012
9:08 pm
Keep
YOU DA MAN!!!!!
stands for decibels
December 4th, 2012
9:10 pm
Well it wasn’t just me–Rachel Maddow wonders why the WaPo broke their Petreaus tape story in their Style section, as well.
/drive-by
Soothsayer
December 4th, 2012
9:10 pm
Now see, Keep, just when I think you don’t have anything of substance to contribute to the blog you prove me wrong! Keep up the good work!
Brosephus™
December 4th, 2012
9:11 pm
Fred
I wish old Tom would tell me if I look like a beer because I feel like one. Well at least I THINK I feel like a beer but I’m not sure it will be confirmed unless Tom tells me I feel like a beer………
Consider it motioned, seconded, and confirmed.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 4th, 2012
9:11 pm
bro, when they come into the airport, can you let me know so I can help?
Soothsayer
December 4th, 2012
9:12 pm
Brosephus: you gonna get called for “backfield in motion!”