Bromance, not Benghazi, may explain Rice’s predicament
UN Ambassador Susan Rice
According to U.S. Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., and a few others, harsh Republican criticism of UN Ambassador Susan Rice has been motivated by racism and sexism, not by any role she might have played regarding the attacks on our consulate in Benghazi.
The editorial board of the Washington Post recently made a similar suggestion, noting that 97 House members have taken the very rare step of sending a letter to the president opposing a possible Rice nomination to replace Hillary Clinton as secretary of state. (The House, remember, has no constitutional role in the confirmation of Cabinet nominees.) As the Post pointed out, “more than 80 of the signatories are white males, and nearly half are from states of the former Confederacy.”
Personally, I think that explanation is far-fetched at best. There’s no evidence whatsoever that racism is involved, and making such a serious charge without evidence to support it is simply wrong.
That said, however, I can see how Clyburn and others could have come to that conclusion. There is no logical, rational explanation for the intensity of the criticism directed at Rice, who as UN ambassador had no operational responsibility for Benghazi and was only serving as an administration spokesperson on the topic. At best, she was a bit player in that tragedy. And with no logical, rational explanation available, it is only natural to turn to the illogical and irrational for an explanation. Thus, the racism charge.
Again, I think the charge is false. But racism also would help to explain why almost no Republican criticism has been directed at Clinton herself, the person who actually runs the State Department and is responsible for what happens at our embassies and consulates. As secretary, Clinton is also responsible for what Rice was told to say publicly about Benghazi. Yet it’s Rice, not Clinton, who has become the target of criticism.
In recent days, however, another possible if convoluted explanation has begun to emerge. The political attacks on Rice have been led by U.S. Sen. John McCain, who has made it no secret that he would prefer that fellow senator John Kerry be named our next secretary of State. In fact, while taking part in a press conference today, McCain jokingly referred to Kerry as “Mr. Secretary” instead of as senator. (Upon taking the microphone from McCain, a wry Kerry responded “Thank you very much, Mr. President.”)
That’s where things get interesting. If Kerry does become our next secretary of state, he would have to leave the Senate, leaving an open seat in Massachusetts. Scott Brown, recently defeated by Elizabeth Warren, would be perfectly positioned to run in a special election to replace Kerry.
And Brown, it turns out, is a particular favorite of McCain. The Arizona Republican serves with Brown on the Senate Armed Services Committee and took part in ceremonies last summer when Brown, a member of the Massachusetts National Guard, was promoted to colonel. Campaigning for Brown in October, McCain said “this man is the one I want most in the United States Senate.”
In most cases, the simplest explanation is also the most accurate, but in this case there is no simple explanation for McCain’s behavior. The notion that by vilifying Rice and elevating Kerry, McCain might be trying to help Brown return to the Senate makes more sense than anything else I’ve heard, including the racism angle.
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josef
December 3rd, 2012
5:25 pm
Aqua…
The crescent and star are right…but this looks like a solid red background, Azerbaijan is a tri-couleur, The star’s not right for Tunisia, and the the placement of the star and the crescent are off for Turkey…but methinks it IS one of them Muzlim countries…
Paul
December 3rd, 2012
5:25 pm
josef
It also reveals the Syrian government’s view of how strong they think the rebels are.
Krystal'sBalls
December 3rd, 2012
5:27 pm
@Tom
She has a husband and two children. But seriously and honestly, I posed that question to my wife. Not that it matters to me really, but the way she carries herself kinda comes off that way based on my experiences. With a daughter who is a female athlete and just growingup in general, I have had a bit of exposure to girls who tend to be a bit tomboyish. It does make you wonder a bit, just because.
Thulsa Doom
December 3rd, 2012
5:27 pm
“Hey, I’m just curious, what sexual positions does your wife prefer?”
The ones that cater to my strangest whims and desires no matter how bizarre they may be.
too little time
December 3rd, 2012
5:28 pm
She repeated the talking points given to her by the CIA.
Why not identify the CIA person(s) that prepared the talking points?
BINGO! You want Ms. Rice as Sec of State? Then you better point out the person in the CIA who gave her bogus talking points. Otherwise, it is Ms. Rice that has to take the fall. SOMEBODY in this administration lied to the U.S. and the World on behalf of the Obama administration in order to deflect Benghazi till after the election. It even APPEARS like a failure of the CIA/Armed forces to come to the aid of the consulate when they had a chance.
The Obama administration can talk, or Ms. Rice can see the world from the axle side of a bus. Without resolution, she cannot become Sec of State.
A kind-of-similar situation occured in the Iran-Contra. Either Reagan knew or he didn’t. If he didn’t, he was incompetent. If he did, he was guilty. In the end, Oliver North took the fall.
Either Obama knows what happened or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, he is incompetent. If he does, he is guilty of lying to the American people. In the end, Ms. Rice will take the fall.
Hermun Cain
December 3rd, 2012
5:31 pm
@Thulsa Doom
December 3rd, 2012
4:55 pm
You called???
josef
December 3rd, 2012
5:31 pm
Paul, getalife
Has Washington responded?
josef
December 3rd, 2012
5:32 pm
KRYSTAL
Why does it make you wonder?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
December 3rd, 2012
5:35 pm
Josef,
The Fred Rule is all about Butt Beanies…
Clarunth Thomuth
December 3rd, 2012
5:35 pm
@Thulsa Doom
December 3rd, 2012
4:55 pm
You called??
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 3rd, 2012
5:35 pm
Well certainly we can see that the full Benghazi is about as serious and “factual” as the full birther….. there is no truth, no fact, no rational, no reality that will deter these idiots from their conspiracy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 3rd, 2012
5:36 pm
Reagan’s “Welfare Queen” FOUND!
Good news everyone, after more than thirty years of searching by the news media, Ronald Reagan’s infamous “Welfare Queen” has finally been found. She lives in Bentonville, Arkansas.
[...]
Wal-Mart is the largest private employer and brought in more revenue in 2011 than any other company in the nation. Wal-Mart pocketed a not-too-shabby $16.4 billion in profits that same year and the six Wal-Mart heirs, the Walton family, own roughly $100 billion in wealth, which is more than 40% of Americans combined.
[...]
Because of the “everyday low wages” that the retail giant pays its employees, our government has to step in and provide public assistance to Wal-Mart workers just so they can survive…which is why the Wal-Mart workforce represents the largest recipient of federal aid in the nation.
A Wal-Mart worker makes on average 31% less than a worker for any other large retailer, and requires 39% more in public assistance.
A recent study by UC Berkeley found that Wal-Mart’s low wages are costing the state of California alone $86 million a year to provide public assistance like food stamps and healthcare to the retailer’s 44,000 low-wage employees in the state. The state spends nearly $2,000 every single year on each Wal-Mart employee who can’t afford basic essentials like housing, food, and healthcare with their Wal-Mart paycheck.
In total, it’s estimated that Walmart stores loot more than $2.6 billion every single year from the federal government in the form of tax-payer funded public assistance to their employees. That includes more than one billion in healthcare costs associated with Medicaid, and $225 million in free or reduced-price lunches for school children of Wal-Mart employees.
Tundra Dude
December 3rd, 2012
5:36 pm
JOSEF:
Ya might consider the opinion of a fellow lefty blogger (of Jewish ancestry)
Susan Rice’s Imperial Credentials
(snipped)
Washington Post contributor Dana Milbank headlined “Susan Rice’s tarnished resume,” saying:
She’s “ill-equipped to be the nation’s top diplomat.” It’s for reasons unrelated to Libya. She “managed to make an impressive array of enemies – on Capitol Hill, in Foggy Bottom and abroad.”
Compared to John Kerry, she’s “a most undiplomatic diplomat.” Milbank doubts enough votes exist to confirm her. “Colleagues talk of shouting matches and insults.”
She’s an equal opportunity offender. She doesn’t care who she insults. Perhaps her chickens are coming home to roost.
Moscow complained that with her at State, relations with Washington would be “more difficult.” They’re strained enough now.
http://bit.ly/QCN1lt
Joe Hussein Mama
December 3rd, 2012
5:40 pm
t. l. time — “SOMEBODY in this administration lied to the U.S. and the World on behalf of the Obama administration in order to deflect Benghazi till after the election.”
Do you have evidence of this, or is it merely your supposition that that is the case here?
“A kind-of-similar situation occured in the Iran-Contra. Either Reagan knew or he didn’t. If he didn’t, he was incompetent. If he did, he was guilty. In the end, Oliver North took the fall.”
Ridiculuous. Iran-Contra took place over the course of months, whereas conservatives are hanging their hat on Benghazi due to the inability to have instantaneous, precise and accurate data of the situation on the ground. Congressional conservatives *still* don’t have that, yet don’t seem to have a problem making unsupported assertions of the type you just did.
getalife
December 3rd, 2012
5:41 pm
josef,
Warmongering:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/world/middleeast/clinton-syria-chemical-weapons.html?hp
Paul
December 3rd, 2012
5:41 pm
josef
“Has Washington responded?”
I do not know. But they’ve already addressed the possibility and pronounced a pretty veiled threat.
KrystalBalls
There have been a number of studies indicating people in power positions respond positively to those who mimic their style. I’d venture with Rice it’s nothing more than modifying one’s behavior to reflect the dominant male culture. Rather the same as what Margaret Thatcher did with her style of speaking.
oops
December 3rd, 2012
5:42 pm
“Obama Rejects GOP Fiscal Cliff Plan”
Well, that took a long time. Clearly he read it in detail.
Obama is an extremist.
kjf
December 3rd, 2012
5:42 pm
they will go after clinton if / when she decides to run for potus.
Krystal'sBalls
December 3rd, 2012
5:42 pm
It would make anyone wonder, just if they saw effeminate mannerisms in a man, as in if he walks with a certain sway, sits or speaks a certain way or whatever. Just as it made me wonder from a VERY YOUNG AGE about a cousin of mine who has always been a very primped person in his speak, presentation and all. Even though he has a pretty deep voice it just didn’t square with the way he carried himself – inconsistent with from my male heterosexual family members…and I am talking back in the early 80s. Of course as I got older my mother told me that yes, he is gay and always has been. Do I love him any less? No. It just is what it is. That’s all I’m saying.
Paul
December 3rd, 2012
5:43 pm
Tundra
Sounds like she has just the style we need. The Bolton crowd ought to love her.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 3rd, 2012
5:43 pm
Clearly he read it in detail
All 3 pages? I have read it. Have you?
josef
December 3rd, 2012
5:45 pm
TUNDRA
Not sure what being of Jewish ancestry has to do with it…but as for what Milbank had to say, that is of consideration for the confirmation process, but, well Kissinger comes to mind…
Aquagirl
December 3rd, 2012
5:45 pm
You want Ms. Rice as Sec of State? Then you better point out the person in the CIA who gave her bogus talking points.
Let’s cut straight to the chase and identify the person who gave the information in the first place. Then this person, who is presumably working with us in a dangerous region of the world, can be identified by hostile people and killed in a horrible fashion.
But hey, all you Barcolounger-Butts can have something to yap about while you’re playing International Spy and CIA Operative. Because that’s what’s REALLY important to the posers.
We have too few real military assets and too many wannabes. You’re a wannabe. Sorry you have misdirected frustration from never contributing in any fashion to our interests but that doesn’t justify your attitude of entitlement.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 3rd, 2012
5:47 pm
Aquagirl — “We have too few real military assets”
Ass whats?
Paul
December 3rd, 2012
5:50 pm
oops
So Republicans wanted no tax rate hikes on the top tier and as far as spending cuts, they offered…. nothing?
Where’s all this budget cutting to get rid of the deficit we kept hearing about?
(BTW – I can understand why you wouldn’t post that under your usual moniker)
Oscar
December 3rd, 2012
5:53 pm
Maybe a lot of senators just don’t like her. That seems to be the most simple explanation.
Why get all complicated.
Oscar
December 3rd, 2012
5:55 pm
Where’s all this budget cutting to get rid of the deficit we kept hearing about?
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Its wrapped in a fog of mystery. Will of the wisp like.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
December 3rd, 2012
5:55 pm
Aquagirl – I was hoping you people were above insulting someone personally for asking a simple question. Apparently not, talking about someone’s wife, husband and children can get some people upset. You should be very careful with your dumb–s remarks or face the consequences, you turd!
Tundra Dude
December 3rd, 2012
5:56 pm
TDoom:
Hey, I’m just curious, what sexual positions does your wife prefer?”
The ones that cater to my strangest whims and desires no matter how bizarre they may be
Stole my thunder!!
As a lifelong bach, I never ask ‘em what they prefer.
Oscar
December 3rd, 2012
5:57 pm
Ass whats?
_____
ets.
josef
December 3rd, 2012
5:57 pm
getalife
Thanks for the link…more of what’s NOT being said than what is, I think…
Krystal…
That’s weird…
Oscar
December 3rd, 2012
5:58 pm
Aquagirl – I was hoping you people
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Who are her people. Just wondering.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 3rd, 2012
6:00 pm
Aquagirl would have been ready to get to Benghazi but when Obama called she had just done her nails
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 3rd, 2012
6:03 pm
You should be very careful with your dumb–s remarks or face the consequences, you turd!
Virtual manhood is better than no manhood at all.
Mick
December 3rd, 2012
6:04 pm
Anybody out there besides me find it a bit strange that zeppelin is being honored and hobnobbing with the president of the united states? I guess because I survived the zep riot in tampa 1977 and they were banned forever; our culture has come a long way baby…
Thulsa Doom
December 3rd, 2012
6:04 pm
“As a lifelong bach, I never ask ‘em what they prefer.”
Tundra Dude,
Neither do I. I just thought I’ld be nice and act like I do.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
December 3rd, 2012
6:08 pm
Krystals Balls – Thanks, for the response. If she was qualified it would not matter to me, I saw similar things you mentioned, good observations, but it does not matter really. Her personal life is hers but public figures often get that extra attention.
The GOV
December 3rd, 2012
6:08 pm
“butt bonnet”
“I didn’t get a harrumph out of that guy”
Someones going “down” for this…
Aquagirl
December 3rd, 2012
6:10 pm
Apparently not, talking about someone’s wife, husband and children can get some people upset. You should be very careful with your dumb–s remarks or face the consequences, you turd!
Well Tom, if you don’t like personal questions about your wife, maybe you shouldn’t speculate about someone else’s wife and mother just to satisfy your prurient curiosity. Just a thought.
You obviously feel entitled to poke around in other people’s business while freaking out when those standards are applied to you. Why do you think I asked that question? I don’t think you’re special. Sue me.
I doubt you will learn anything from your clear hypocrisy though. Folks like you have one standard for themselves and another for everybody else and never question why. That’s entitlement in a nutshell.
The GOV
December 3rd, 2012
6:11 pm
“you people”
Who’s people?
indigo
December 3rd, 2012
6:12 pm
“why conservative outlets are so quick to make up things”
Because they are a part of Big Business and are as desperate as ever to get one of their Republican puppets into the White House.
“why conservatives continue to believe them even after they’ve been exposed as false”
Because most of the Republican electorate are simple tools and still fervently wish, with all their hearts, for a whiter White House.
Georgia on my mind...
December 3rd, 2012
6:14 pm
John McCain made the worst decision of his career when he chose Sarah Palin. He no longer has any credibility when he says that Susan Rice is not qualified to be Secretary of State.
http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj497/Libprog/311389_248873191907817_1636631853_n.jpg
getalife
December 3rd, 2012
6:16 pm
Who cares what mccain wants?
He lost too.
indigo
December 3rd, 2012
6:17 pm
Aquagirl – 4:58
Hey, this is Georgia!!
Are you trying to get someone arrested?
Oscar
December 3rd, 2012
6:17 pm
John McCain made the worst decision of his career when he chose Sarah Palin
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His worst decision was not changing course to avoid the missile that shot him down in Nam.
JamVet
December 3rd, 2012
6:17 pm
Shattering myths, Jewish voters in the last election cared far more about the economy and healthcare than policies toward Israel, according to a poll released by the pro-Israel organization J Street.
Conducted by Gerstein Bocian Agne Strategies on Nov. 6, the poll shatters the conventional wisdom that favorable policies toward Israel win Jewish votes.
Advertisements criticizing President Obama on Israel backfired with Jewish voters and more often solidified support for the president, the poll found.
Among the 45 percent of American Jews who saw television ads or mail that criticized Obama on his policies toward Israel, 40 percent said they made no difference, 38 percent said the ads made them more likely to support Obama, and only 23 percent said the ads made them more likely to support Mitt Romney.
The poll found that 73 percent of American Jews agree with President Obama’s policies concerning the Arab-Israeli conflict, up from 71 percent in 2010.
Another Republican fable goes down in flames…
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Israel-Jewish-Voters-economy/2012/12/03/id/466209
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 3rd, 2012
6:18 pm
Well, the godly Republican plan for us not to fall off of the Physical Cliff has a great idea: we can change the CPI so those lazy old fa_ts sucking our blood with their Social Security checks will get starved out. With that plan you won’t have to go looking for a greeter at any WalMart. They’ll be there even if they need to drive their HoverRound to get to work.
F. Sinkwich
December 3rd, 2012
6:18 pm
So what? She’s a ditz. If she doesn’t get the State job, Kerry does who is also a ditz. Mass. will send another ditz like Warren to the Senate to replace him. Ditz’s all around.
Aquagirl
December 3rd, 2012
6:19 pm
Hey, this is Georgia!!
Are you trying to get someone arrested?
If Doomy disappears from the blog we’ll know what happened.
Ashley Judd
December 3rd, 2012
6:20 pm
….will get Mitch McConnell’s seat….the time is coming for all of the ole bitter men in the House to start packing….
Oscar
December 3rd, 2012
6:21 pm
JamVet – It’s my understanding that Obama’s policy is the same that we have had since the 67 war. No change from the other presidents since then.
Oscar
December 3rd, 2012
6:22 pm
Aquagirl – Are there laws against positions now.
getalife
December 3rd, 2012
6:22 pm
filky is ditzy today.
Oscar
December 3rd, 2012
6:24 pm
Ashley – will bitter women do better?
Ashley Judd
December 3rd, 2012
6:26 pm
Oscar, how did Mitch’s strategy work out to make President Obama a ONE TERM president? He will be gone when he runs again…you betcha!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 3rd, 2012
6:27 pm
Well, I’m beginning to worry about this Thelma Doom. Is he one of the Alabama football nuts like that guy that put his Private Parts on the neck of a passed out LSU fan and now is headed to prison? Or like that tree poisoner that’s about to go to Stir? You got to admit it, there’s something bad wrong with Alabama fans.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 3rd, 2012
6:28 pm
Ashley – will bitter women do better?
(Shrug)
Can’t do any worse.
paulo977
December 3rd, 2012
6:29 pm
Jay…”That’s where things get interesting. If Kerry does become our next secretary of state, he would have to leave the Senate, leaving an open seat in Massachusetts. Scott Brown, recently defeated by Elizabeth Warren, would be perfectly positioned to run in a special election to replace Kerry.”!!!!!!
_________________________________________
“Oh what a tangled web we weave ,
When first we practise to deceive ”
………..Walter Scott
Krystal'sBalls
December 3rd, 2012
6:32 pm
@josef
Please detail what exactly is “weird”.
@Tom
Please detail what exactly is “qualified”.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 3rd, 2012
6:35 pm
Jay
I thought the Gov. of Ma. appoints someone to fill the seat if Kerry were to resign?
Doggone/GA
December 3rd, 2012
6:37 pm
“I thought the Gov. of Ma. appoints someone to fill the seat if Kerry were to resign?”
Only until a special election can be held.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 3rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Thanks Dog I misunderstood the length of the appointment
Thulsa Doom
December 3rd, 2012
6:45 pm
“Because of the “everyday low wages” that the retail giant pays its employees, our government has to step in and provide public assistance to Wal-Mart workers just so they can survive…which is why the Wal-Mart workforce represents the largest recipient of federal aid in the nation.”
That’s a dumbmass argument. Their employees are the largest recipient of federal aid because they happen to be the largest or almost the largest employer in the U.S. More employees means more people eligible for benefits- especially new employees who haven’t yet qualified for benefits. You don’t think Wendys or Burger King or Target have people receiving federal aid. Geez.
“A Wal-Mart worker makes on average 31% less than a worker for any other large retailer, and requires 39% more in public assistance.”
A study from Cal-Berkley is as worthless as Kamspam.
The article doesn’t say where this study includes the names of these other large retailers? If you include higher end retailers such as Nordstroms that would be true. But around here starting wages at Target. Kroger, and other retailers are comparable to Walmart.
As for requiring more public assistance that also sounds like total BS to me. Unlike most of the folks on here I’ve seen the Walmart health insurance plan several times including very recently. Its not bad and is significantly better than what fast food restaurants and many other retail chains or companies provide which is absolutely nothing. But I don’t see the whiners crying about low wages at fast food, landscaping, or any number of unskilled jobs throughout the U.S. Another dumbmass point.
“A recent study by UC Berkeley found that Wal-Mart’s low wages are costing the state of California alone $86 million a year to provide public assistance like food stamps and healthcare to the retailer’s 44,000 low-wage employees in the state. The state spends nearly $2,000 every single year on each Wal-Mart employee who can’t afford basic essentials like housing, food, and healthcare with their Wal-Mart paycheck.”
And how much does the study show that Walmart paid into state coffers through various taxes and through the taxes of its employees? Oh. The study doesn’t show that??? No surprise there.
What a ridiculous point about the state paying to subsidize Walmart employees. They would be paying those costs most likely whether the employee worked at Walmart, was unemployed, or worked at any one of any other lower skilled or entry level jobs available. What kind of an idiot can’t see through that crap?
“In total, it’s estimated that Walmart stores loot more than $2.6 billion every single year from the federal government in the form of tax-payer funded public assistance to their employees. That includes more than one billion in healthcare costs associated with Medicaid, and $225 million in free or reduced-price lunches for school children of Wal-Mart employees.”
Bullspit. And how much does Walmart pay back into the system via taxes??? Oh. That’s right. The article doesn’t show that.
One billion dollars associated with Medicaid costs? Um. You might want to do your research on that instead of believing this Cal Berkley crappola.
Not Walmart’s fault. They offer health insurance at $48 every pay period-every 2 weeks. The major hospitalization deductible is $1700 which is substantially lower than the $2500 to $5000 deductible that most of my regular customers opt for. Copays are reasonable. One of my Walmart customers sees his specialist for a $14 copay vs what is usually a $50 or $60 specialist copay with individual plans. They could have and pay for good benefits if they want to. They just don’t want to if the state is going to offer them free shyte. Again. What manner of a fool can’t see through this crap?
Blowing away that piece of crap article was easier than the Bama O-line knocking down Jarvis Jones.
“If the government didn’t step in to provide health insurance, then Walmart stores would be a breeding ground for infectious diseases since their employees can’t afford to see a doctor on their own.”
Walmart does provide health insurance dum dum. Which makes this trash article a L I E !
“If the government didn’t step in to provide school-lunch assistance, then parents who work at Wal-Mart may have less money to put gas in their car and may not even make it in to work.”
Bullspit. Walmart is an entry level job for most people. If you’re 40 years old and the best you can do in life is working as a cashier at Walmart then the problem is not Walmart. Its you.
“How can a business succeed with a sickly, tired, tardy, or altogether absent workforce? It can’t.”
Aw geez. More of the emotionalism parade crap from the kook left. Apparently this paragraph contradicts the point of the article which is that Walmart is doing very well financially. The crap that kooks think is credible. Too funny.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 3rd, 2012
6:47 pm
let’s get it a little more convoluted.
Kerry resigns, Patrick appoints himself to Senate, Murray becomes gov.
Anyone think Brown could beat Patrick?
McCains Bromance is toast
Doggone/GA
December 3rd, 2012
6:49 pm
No problem, Common Sense. I only know because I just happened to hear an explanation of it just the other day
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 3rd, 2012
6:50 pm
McCains Bromance is toast
They’ll always have Paris.
Brosephus™
December 3rd, 2012
6:53 pm
http://www.speaker.gov/sites/speaker.house.gov/files/documents/letter_to_wh_121203.pdf
Boehner thinks the best deal for the fiscal cliff includes new revenues that “would be generated through pro-growth tax reform that closes special-interest loopholes and deductions while lowering rates.”
So, in less than 20 days, a Congress that can’t pass a bill to screw in a lightbulb is supposed to be able to come to terms with tax reform??? Then, Boehner’s saying the best way to deal with the fiscal cliff is another tax cut???
Corey
December 3rd, 2012
6:53 pm
We must accept that fact that Arab/Muslims will continue to find a way to attack and kill Americans no matter who of what administration says what when. Do you honestly think they give a rat’s #$% who is in the oval office? Ask the other Rice about the memo that she says was merely a “historical document”. You know, that memo that said OBL palns to attack US with planes that she had access to prior to 911.
Jack ®
December 3rd, 2012
6:56 pm
If Obama is fit to be President, then Rice is fit to be Secy of State.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 3rd, 2012
6:59 pm
Then, Boehner’s saying the best way to deal with the fiscal cliff is another tax cut???
When all that you have is a hammer, every solution looks like a nail.
Ken
December 3rd, 2012
7:00 pm
sENATE AND hOUSE HAVE
Brosephus™
December 3rd, 2012
7:02 pm
We must accept that fact that Arab/Muslims will continue to find a way to attack and kill Americans no matter who of what administration says what when.
Who would have a hard time accepting that when Americans find a way to attack and kill more Americans than Muslims or any other groups combined? I’d caution against trying to lump Arabs with Muslims as there are significant numbers of Christian Arabs and even Jewish Arabs. Those two groups are not easily interchangable.
JKL2
December 3rd, 2012
7:02 pm
Personally, I think that explanation is far-fetched at best. There’s no evidence whatsoever that racism is involved, and making such a serious charge without evidence to support it is simply wrong unless you have a (D) behind your name.
Fixed your typo
josef
December 3rd, 2012
7:03 pm
KRYSTAL
“It would make anyone wonder,”
It would? Anyone? Quite frankly, I’m as qu*er as a three-dollar bill and the thought had never crossed my mind.
“ just if they saw effeminate mannerisms in a man, as in if he walks with a certain sway, sits or speaks a certain way or whatever”
Effeminate mannerisms? Do you mean nelly, a sissy or what? A certain sway? Sits or speaks a certain way? What way would that be? I mean to just what degree are we talking about here? And whatever? Now, that one really does set the mind to wondering.
“Just as it made me wonder from a VERY YOUNG AGE about a cousin of mine…”
At a very young age? So your obsession goes back to early childhood?
“who has always been a very primped person in his speak, presentation and all.”
What is “primped” and especially what is “…and all?”
“Even though he has a pretty deep voice it just didn’t square with the way he carried himself – inconsistent with from my male heterosexual family members…”
Gay men aren’t supposed to have deep voices? Damn, I guess I must have missed that one, deep bass that mine is.
“Of course as I got older my mother told me that yes, he is gay and always has been.”
But, of course…
“Do I love him any less? No. It just is what it is. That’s all I’m saying.”
What is “it” that this “just” is. And, no, that’s not ALL you’re saying.
You have just gone off on what you might as well have called screaming queens and have said that Sec. Rice is a bull d*ke…
Seriously, mate, why would you wonder anyway? Do you have a mental checklist that you pull out? How often? When? Where? Why? What if you find yourself exhibiting one of those behaviors, etc.? Do you “correct” ? I mean you wouldn’t want anybody thinking you’re, well, you know…
It’s just weird the way I see it…
Ken
December 3rd, 2012
7:05 pm
Democrats are masters at throwing the race card. It has always worked and they will contine to throw it.
hamiltonAZ
December 3rd, 2012
7:06 pm
Anyone who wants to judge Rice on Benghazi is misguided or their motives are bad. She’s simply not in that issue.
I once supported McCain for President of the United States (not in 2008), but, given his public comments over the last 10 months, it appears his soul has been bargained away. This being the case, the Kerry / Brown angle looks plausble.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 3rd, 2012
7:08 pm
Kam, why I don’t think I have ever heard you or any other survivors (or victims) of the new home construction industry drive for low wages complain about low wages.
Seems some posters pompous dumbassery posts just reek of failure from the own lying stench of garbage from which they arise. 
Doggone/GA
December 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
“Democrats are masters at throwing the race card. It has always worked and they will contine to throw it”
Yeah, because there have been just so MANY Democrats attcking Ms. Rice. I just don’t know how she stands up to it on top of all the Republicans attacking her too.
Here’s a clue for you: READ THE DAMN PIECE before you show your stupidity with your off-target comments.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
December 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
Jay,
Clearly she and the WH and CIA and STATE and FBI (when you look at all those involved in writing…it’s almost like saying..no wonder this was handled so poorly) did a sophomoric job in the aftermath of this attack..
The thing that folks like Jay forget is the date…..September 11…this fact has been easily overlooked in the liberals quick defense of all things BO..the idea that those “protests” across the ME were due to a video that had be released in some fashion months prior..
Anyhow, water under the bridge..she is a Rhodes Scholar and will probably refrain from pre-mature comments of such incidents in the future…I think it’s better to project her as our representative than the not-very-well liked Kerry..
JamVet
December 3rd, 2012
7:10 pm
If Obama is fit to be President, then Rice is fit to be Secy of State.
True dat.
The consequences of Mr. Romney not being fit for the job.
(Anyone disgusting enough to blame our Americans overseas for sympathizing with their murderers needs to go back to being a nobody board member for Marriott…)
F. Sinkwich
December 3rd, 2012
7:10 pm
“Anyone who wants to judge Rice on Benghazi is misguided or their motives are bad. She’s simply not in that issue.”
She’s a ditz. Who cares?
O’bozo could nominate Van Jones, it doesn’t matter.
Fred ™
December 3rd, 2012
7:10 pm
too little time
December 3rd, 2012
5:28 pm
She repeated the talking points given to her by the CIA.
Why not identify the CIA person(s) that prepared the talking points?
BINGO! You want Ms. Rice as Sec of State? Then you better point out the person in the CIA who gave her bogus talking points. Otherwise, it is Ms. Rice that has to take the fall. SOMEBODY in this administration lied to the U.S. and the World on behalf of the Obama administration in order to deflect Benghazi till after the election. It even APPEARS like a failure of the CIA/Armed forces to come to the aid of the consulate when they had a chance.
The Obama administration can talk, or Ms. Rice can see the world from the axle side of a bus. Without resolution, she cannot become Sec of State.
A kind-of-similar situation occured in the Iran-Contra. Either Reagan knew or he didn’t. If he didn’t, he was incompetent. If he did, he was guilty. In the end, Oliver North took the fall.
Either Obama knows what happened or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, he is incompetent. If he does, he is guilty of lying to the American people. In the end, Ms. Rice will take the fall.
++++++++++++++++++++++ Only idiot sheeple who drool over talk radio and FOXBOTS believe the stupidity posted above…….
Fred ™
December 3rd, 2012
7:13 pm
Jack ®
December 3rd, 2012
6:56 pm
If Obama is fit to be President, then Rice is fit to be Secy of State.
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Well if Obama isn’t fit to be President it shows you how stupid and incompetent the Republicans are that they couldn’t unseat them. How does if feel to be more incompetent than President Obama sport?
Liberal Pariah
December 3rd, 2012
7:13 pm
Prurient Curiosity…does that lead to a Lewinsky? Pruriently Inquiring minds want to know.
F. Sinkwich
December 3rd, 2012
7:15 pm
“Fannie Mae (FNMA) and Freddie Mac (FMCC), along with one of the nation´s biggest lenders, said Monday that they will suspend some foreclosures during the holidays. From December 19 through Jan. 2, 2013, Fannie will halt evictions of homeowners in a single-family property and in apartments with up to four units that are financed by a mortgage from the government-sponsored enterprise.”
*sniff*
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 3rd, 2012
7:15 pm
Kam, why I don’t think I have ever heard you or any other survivors (or victims) of the new home construction industry drive for low wages complain about low wages.
But of course. It always gave me a tingle down my leg to hear a builder tell me how much he was only going to pay for my services and then add, “Well, if you don’t do it for that price, there are Mexicans that will.”
Seems some posters pompous dumbassery posts just reek of failure from the own lying stench of garbage from which they arise.
Scroll man, scroll.
Slip
December 3rd, 2012
7:15 pm
“Democrats are masters at throwing the race card”
As a middle aged white male from the south, I can attest to the existence of racism among elected officials. Because of my demographic, people assume I agree with them and freely lace their private opinions with racist dogma. I am not saying this is playing a role in the Rice situation, but wouldn’t be surprised if it did.
On the other hand, I haven’t been very impressed with her (what I’ve seen) It would be nice to have a discussion on the merits of her resume.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
December 3rd, 2012
7:15 pm
Bringing the Race Card in is typical pundit garbage to fill airtime….”and now, our expert panel will weigh in on possible racism as a reason for GOP opposition to an appointment of a black woman, otherwise well credentialled, to the cabinet…our featured members for this evening are Rev Jesse Jackson, Rev Al Sharpton, Cornell West of the elitist Princeton University, and representing the right is Donald Trump, Sean Hannity, and Charles Krauthammer….all after these messages from the lobby of defense contractors and the Teamsters…stay tuned”
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
December 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm
Well if Obama isn’t fit to be President it shows you how stupid and incompetent the Republicans are that they couldn’t unseat them. How does if feel to be more incompetent than President Obama sport?
Maybe they shoulda nominated Elmer Fudd then, huh?
All Skin Folk Ain't Your Skin Folk
December 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm
As the Post pointed out, “more than 80 of the signatories are white males, and nearly half are from states of the former Confederacy.”
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FAR FETCHED?
It ALWAYS amazes me when WHITE people are QUICK to
DENY RACISM.
That MAKES them PART OF THE PROBLEM.
Black people KNOW RACISM when we SEE IT
HEAR IT AND READ IT.
We have lived and experienced.
Other White people can DENY IT because they
WANT TO DENY IT and they do not want to EXPOSE IT.
Fool us once shame on you,
Fool us twice shame on us……
Slip
December 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm
Anyone care to support the contention that Rice is ‘well credentialled,’?
F. Sinkwich
December 3rd, 2012
7:19 pm
“Well if Obama isn’t fit to be President it shows you how stupid and incompetent the Republicans are that they couldn’t unseat them.”
Nope.
He who robs Peter to pay Paul gets Paul’s vote. America has become a nation of freeloaders thanks to the Paulistas like you. Hard to campaign against free stuff.
RIP USA 1776-2012
Fred ™
December 3rd, 2012
7:20 pm
Keep: I had homeowners tell me that could do the job for cheaper than I could even get all the materials for the job. I always told them to give me his number and when the job was done, if they were satisfied I could find that guy all the work he ever wanted. Somehow those numbers never materialized………. kinda like the problem you helped me out with. Although I was the THIRD guy to do the job (and the first to do it correctly) everyone else did it faster and cheaper. No sht eh? Wonder why THAT was……..
Doggone/GA
December 3rd, 2012
7:20 pm
“Anyone care to support the contention that Rice is ‘well credentialled,’?”
What’s the matter…is Google broken?
John McCain’s lawn: it’s dried up, bitter, and he wants you off it
December 3rd, 2012
7:22 pm
Steve Benen reminds us that John McCain is the ultimate hypocrite:
As a top official in the Bush/Cheney administration, Condoleezza Rice said wildly untrue things about Iraq to the American people. Soon after, she received bipartisan support to become Secretary of State.
As a top official in the Obama/Biden administration, Susan Rice said entirely credible things about Benghazi based on the collective judgment of the intelligence community. Soon after, Republican Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham launched a smear campaign against Rice to prevent her from becoming Secretary of State.
http://underthemountainbunker.com/2012/11/15/john-mccains-lawn-its-dried-up-bitter-and-he-wants-you-off-it/
saywhat?
December 3rd, 2012
7:23 pm
I have no doubt that McCain is motivated solely by politics. This does not mean that at least a few of those 97 congressman don’t also welcome the chance to feel a little misogynistic and racist satisfaction through their actions.
Fred ™
December 3rd, 2012
7:23 pm
F. Sinkwich
December 3rd, 2012
7:19 pm
“Well if Obama isn’t fit to be President it shows you how stupid and incompetent the Republicans are that they couldn’t unseat them.”
Nope.
He who robs Peter to pay Paul gets Paul’s vote. America has become a nation of freeloaders thanks to the Paulistas like you. Hard to campaign against free stuff.
RIP USA 1776-2012
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What free sht do I get? I mean other than great tax breaks that had me only paying 9%.
Stupidity like that is the other reason you lost. Only stupid people could even begin to believe the crap you just posted, yet when I read the regular hard right posters here like you, I have no doubts whatsoever that you swallow the FOXBOT talk radio drivel lock stock and barrel.
Stick to your “guns” lol. The crowd of stupid is getting smaller. Pretty soon it will be so small Rush will invite you to personally come sit in the studio while he does his show so he doesn’t have to broadcast it to all 15 of you left……..
Slip
December 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Here’s a link to a 2008 article about what makes a good Secretary of State. Does Rice measure up?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-miller15-2008nov15,0,5209564.story
Baker and Kissinger are held up as examples. Maybe we should toss in William Seward in light of the recent movie, “Lincoln”?
F. Sinkwich
December 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Race card.
Yawn.
moonbat betty
December 3rd, 2012
7:25 pm
Who is Valery Plame?
For 100 Alex