Bromance, not Benghazi, may explain Rice’s predicament

UN Ambassador Susan Rice

UN Ambassador Susan Rice

According to U.S. Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., and a few others, harsh Republican criticism of UN Ambassador Susan Rice has been motivated by racism and sexism, not by any role she might have played regarding the attacks on our consulate in Benghazi.

The editorial board of the Washington Post recently made a similar suggestion, noting that 97 House members have taken the very rare step of sending a letter to the president opposing a possible Rice nomination to replace Hillary Clinton as secretary of state. (The House, remember, has no constitutional role in the confirmation of Cabinet nominees.) As the Post pointed out, “more than 80 of the signatories are white males, and nearly half are from states of the former Confederacy.”

Personally, I think that explanation is far-fetched at best. There’s no evidence whatsoever that racism is involved, and making such a serious charge without evidence to support it is simply wrong.

That said, however, I can see how Clyburn and others could have come to that conclusion. There is no logical, rational explanation for the intensity of the criticism directed at Rice, who as UN ambassador had no operational responsibility for Benghazi and was only serving as an administration spokesperson on the topic. At best, she was a bit player in that tragedy. And with no logical, rational explanation available, it is only natural to turn to the illogical and irrational for an explanation. Thus, the racism charge.

Again, I think the charge is false. But racism also would help to explain why almost no Republican criticism has been directed at Clinton herself, the person who actually runs the State Department and is responsible for what happens at our embassies and consulates. As secretary, Clinton is also responsible for what Rice was told to say publicly about Benghazi. Yet it’s Rice, not Clinton, who has become the target of criticism.

In recent days, however, another possible if convoluted explanation has begun to emerge. The political attacks on Rice have been led by U.S. Sen. John McCain, who has made it no secret that he would prefer that fellow senator John Kerry be named our next secretary of State. In fact, while taking part in a press conference today, McCain jokingly referred to Kerry as “Mr. Secretary” instead of as senator. (Upon taking the microphone from McCain, a wry Kerry responded “Thank you very much, Mr. President.”)

That’s where things get interesting. If Kerry does become our next secretary of state, he would have to leave the Senate, leaving an open seat in Massachusetts. Scott Brown, recently defeated by Elizabeth Warren, would be perfectly positioned to run in a special election to replace Kerry.

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And Brown, it turns out, is a particular favorite of McCain. The Arizona Republican serves with Brown on the Senate Armed Services Committee and took part in ceremonies last summer when Brown, a member of the Massachusetts National Guard, was promoted to colonel. Campaigning for Brown in October, McCain said “this man is the one I want most in the United States Senate.”

In most cases, the simplest explanation is also the most accurate, but in this case there is no simple explanation for McCain’s behavior. The notion that by vilifying Rice and elevating Kerry, McCain might be trying to help Brown return to the Senate makes more sense than anything else I’ve heard, including the racism angle.

– Jay BookmanI

606 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
2:51 pm

It does seem to be the only logical explanation of the strategy.

East Lake Ira

December 3rd, 2012
2:54 pm

They think she’s got teh gay.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
2:54 pm

It also turns out that McCain offered the same assessment as Rice did in the initial days. If Rice’s competence is “at issue”‘, should not McCain’s be also at issue?

Logical Dude

December 3rd, 2012
2:59 pm

I figger about a fifth of them signatories have at least some race bias.

However, Your seeing McCain’s support for Brown does make it feel like a purely political ploy on McCain’s part. He can still be crafty, that one!

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 3rd, 2012
3:01 pm

This is another area that I hope president Obama is willing to fight. Susan Rice is the most qualified and we need a qualified person in that office.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm

Bromance — heh, heh, heh.

McCain: “You… you complete me.”
Brown: Shut up, just shut up. You had me at ‘hello’ “.

Paul

December 3rd, 2012
3:11 pm

I agree – racism is too easily leveled and to me is a tipoff that another reason may be involved. In this case, Jay’s explanation has merit. But Rep Clyburn seems to be operating in a Pavlovian manner.

If it was racism, the same criticisms directed at Susan Rice would have been directed at Condoleeza Rice. But they weren’t. By Republicans, anyway. They were by Democrats, though, and Rep Clyburn isn’t about to go there.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 3rd, 2012
3:13 pm

Well, I thought the whole thing was just a petty political fight till I found out this Rice woman is one of Those People. Could of fooled me. I mean, Rice—sure sounds White, don’t it? Sure, there’s Brown rice, but most of it is White.

Anyhow, that’s the redneck point of view. Have a good rest of your Monday everybody.

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm

I see potential for this one to get quite interesting. Going to get the popcorn ready…

:)

Regnad Kcin

December 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm

This just up on WSJ:

“House Republicans made a new deficit proposal to the White House that calls for $800 billion in tax increases, half of what President Obama proposed and an amount Republicans say could be achieved without increasing tax rates”

Haven’t read the whole article, yet, but it looks like the pubs finally decided to negotiate?

too little time

December 3rd, 2012
3:15 pm

She stood up in front of the country and spoke a lie… a verified confirmed lie. The administration knew… almost the minute that Benghazi began… that this was terrorists.

What is not clear is at what point Ms. Rice knew the truth. If she new she was lying when she steered the world towards a video (and away from terrorists), then her political career should be over. If she was handed talking points with no indication that they were untrue… she gets a pass. That this administration has been unwilling to say where/when the narrative changed from “terrorist” to “video” is unfortunate for Rice. Obama lied about it in the debates (with the help of the moderator, no less, calling Romney a liar for stating the truth), and did not stop lying until after he had won reelection.

I personally believe that Ms. Rice KNEW the truth, and told a lie to satisfy her bosses. But telling a lie to the public brings it’s own punishment. That being: once the lie is discovered, nothing coming out of your mouth in public can be trusted. In the state department, honesty and trust (or at least the appearance of honesty and trust) is a necessary component of the job. Ms. Rice threw herself under the bus for Obama. She lied about the death of an ambassador in front of the world so that her boss would not have any last minute election season embarrassment. I’m sure that she will have a long life in the lobbiest ranks, but she is no longer fit to be called “Madam Secretary”.

godless heathen - fiscal cliff dweller

December 3rd, 2012
3:16 pm

This may do more to derail Ms. Rice than the racism or Bromance. Being invested in the evil oil & gas industry has Ms. Rice on the bad side of the environmental whackos.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/02/susan-rice-keystone-xl-white-house_n_2228490.html

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
3:17 pm

I’ll add that I don’t buy the racism or sexism angle either. It’s tempting to go there due to the intensity of the attack on Rice all the while Clinton and Petraeus have gone virtually untouched, even though they are the two most responsible for the involved agencies/departments.

Maybe it’s coordinated bromance, or maybe Rice just happened to be a target of opportunity. Either way, the GOP looks bat shiite crazy going after Rice in the manner they have while leaving Clinton untouched. Maybe they’re afraid of Hillary or something.

willie lynch

December 3rd, 2012
3:20 pm

I don’t know if racism is the motivating factor but surely any disaffection for the Ambassador should be based on qualification. McCain has not made that case.

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
3:20 pm

Seems like somebody took “too little time” to actually research and see that the CIA supplied the talking points to Rice. Seems as though the same person took enough time to learn the talking point speech verbatim though. Seems as though we’ve read that exact post here almost every day.

:lol:

N-GA (on the winning side 2 federal elections in a row!)

December 3rd, 2012
3:23 pm

getalife

December 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

So, Rice will be her replacement.

cnn reports Syria mixing chemical weapons.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm

She stood up in front of the country and spoke a lie… a verified confirmed lie. The administration knew… almost the minute that Benghazi began… that this was terrorists

Absolutely. I mean what kind of idiot would say this 3 days after the attack unless they were a liar.

I know very well that there were demonstrations, that there was a group of either al-Qaida or some radical Islamists who — about 15 of them, armed with RPGs and other lethal weapons, that seized this opportunity to attack our consulate

josef

December 3rd, 2012
3:27 pm

“.. and nearly half are from states of the former Confederacy.”

And I quit reading right there…Jeeze, Louise, what the hell does that have to do with the price of eggs in Fuking, China…?

JAY

Aren’t you even the least embarrassed to reprint that…if not, you sure ought to be…that reads like Scout and his Muslims…

Joe Hussein Mama

December 3rd, 2012
3:28 pm

Paul — “If it was racism, the same criticisms directed at Susan Rice would have been directed at Condoleeza Rice.”

Quoted For Truth.

arnold

December 3rd, 2012
3:28 pm

“Absolutely. I mean what kind of idiot would say this 3 days after the attack unless they were a liar. ”
Fox News.

williebkind

December 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm

Does the black caucus have any race bias?

Pizzaman

December 3rd, 2012
3:30 pm

Whatever the Repubs say their real motive is and always has been to get Brown back. And they’ll use any back-stabbing trick to do it. Nothing has or ever will change as long as they make pledges to non Government individuals.

Go Irish!

arnold

December 3rd, 2012
3:30 pm

“A Gallup Poll released Monday shows only 10% of Americans rate the honesty and ethical standards of Congress as “very high” or “high” — the second-lowest of 22 different professions. Americans place car salesmen at the bottom of the pack, with only 8% giving them high marks. “

Jay

December 3rd, 2012
3:30 pm

Josef, you clearly didn’t take the time to read the piece before flying off the handle.

I reprinted those words in order to disagree with them.

Erwin's cat

December 3rd, 2012
3:31 pm

and nearly half are from states of the former Confederacy.

and more than half are not?…

williebkind

December 3rd, 2012
3:33 pm

This administration is noted for blackmailing, lying, and payouts but has the news media to wrap them in angel wings.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
3:34 pm

Oops :D …. I forgot to say that those were the words of John McCain (Arnold, it could have been on Fox but I have no idea]. Here is what Rice said: But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that — in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution.

Perhaps someone can clearly explain how McCain’s assessment is materially different from the “incompetent” Rice assessment based on the CIA talking points provided to her.

DownInAlbany

December 3rd, 2012
3:35 pm

In my opinion, Obama/Clinton threw Rice under the bus. He trotted her out for the Sunday talk shows (with bogus talking points), then said, “she had nothing to do with it…if you want to come after someone, come after me…” Of course, it’s had to “come after him” when he is rarely publically interviewed, unless late-night talk shows count! He has no one to blame but himself for the backlash.

arnold

December 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

Fox defended themselves in court once by claiming they had the right to lie. It was upheld.

josef

December 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

IMAM

O, get real, Pombo, you disagreed with the racism…did you take on that old Confederacy one? You did not say “linking it to the Confederacy was far fetched” now did you. But I know better than to go this road with you… I should have just shut up and said nothing for what it’s worth…

Racism and sexism…no doubt a motivating factor…but just like Cat said, and more than half are not?

Jay

December 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm

Set aside your shovel and stop digging, Josef. You reacted in a foolish, knee-jerk fashion and are now compounding the mistake.

williebkind

December 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm

“Perhaps someone can clearly explain how McCain’s assessment is materially different from the “incompetent” Rice assessment”

McCain did not have someone put in jail because he blamed a video, I repeat it again.
McCain did not have someone put in jail because he blamed a video.
McCain did not have someone put in jail because he blamed a video.
McCain did not have someone put in jail because he blamed a video.

alex

December 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm

Yes, Yes, Race,another brilliant option promugated by Bookman. Could be Mcain is angling for a job for a good man, Politics, please say NO. As for Rice, It’s clearly more complicated than Bookman sez, > Blitzer had a nice piece on this a few days ago, YES CNN’s Blitzer.

Rice was stupid to say what she said, a simple: ” i don’t know” would have worked, just stupid ! @ Bro, this is what Blizers piece was about, lots of stupid talking going on, Does this disqualify her?…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Well Albany, perhaps you want to tell us all how McCain’s assessment materially differed from Rice’s at the time or do you have to check in with Fox to get that talking point?

chuck

December 3rd, 2012
3:44 pm

Of course he made his “come after me” comments AFTER the election. Nice of him to finally take responsibility for SOMETHING.

josef

December 3rd, 2012
3:44 pm

Is the opposition to Rice racist and sexist. Yes, it is, the first in its more subtle, the second not so much so. The cold-blooded reality is that Rice is one tough cookie. The old, white men and their cohorts in the closet are scared sh*tless of a strong, black WOMAN. They can deal with a strong woman, they can deal with a strong Black, but the two together is just too much.

williebkind

December 3rd, 2012
3:44 pm

Those Fox hates are here! I bet those accusers never watch Fox. Just something they picked up while passing the joint around.

willie lynch

December 3rd, 2012
3:45 pm

So if Ambassador Rice was trotted out with bogus talking points how is she to blame for delivering what was given to her?

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 3rd, 2012
3:45 pm

Josef,

“what the hell does that have to do with the price of eggs in Fuking, China…?”

It means the price of egg foo young has just gone up in Mississippi… :)

DownInAlbany

December 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Well Albany, perhaps you want to tell us all how McCain’s assessment materially differed from Rice’s at the time or do you have to check in with Fox to get that talking point?

I didn’t know we were discussing McCain. NICE deflection, though!

philospher

December 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm

Rachel Maddow presented this theory last week…playing political chess makes more sense than the stuff spewing out of their mouths. Jon Stewart offered up video of McCain and Graham (both) supporting Condoleeza’s insistence that there were WMDs… both before the war and after the truth came out. It’s a funny segment…but a bit scary too. I think it’s scary that they haven’t been called out on it by the president and the press and the people. These guys should be publicly shamed.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-november-28-2012-neil-young

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 3rd, 2012
3:47 pm

josef

December 3rd, 2012
3:44 pm

Can I get an AMEN, Brother!

weetamoe

December 3rd, 2012
3:47 pm

If you can not think of a logical reason outside of your bubble, race or conspiracy are the usual default conclusions. Race is certainly on the minds of many in the media to the point of obsession. If one can not criticize policies or positions of a public official without being called racist one is no longer free. It is absolutely outrageous that newspapers make such inflammatory insinuations. Almost as bad as one of Obama’s *very smart* aides claiming that republicans would bring back slavery if elected. One does not have to search far for reasons to reject Rice, Susan. Start with Rwanda, bin Laden in Sudan, flipping off the late revered Richard Holbrooke, and work from there.

curious

December 3rd, 2012
3:48 pm

She repeated the talking points given to her by the CIA.

Why not identify the CIA person(s) that prepared the talking points?
No one would deliberately lie about this when everyone knows the truth would come out.
Is there any evidence, the White House directed a lie?

besides, what’s the difference between a armed mob and a terrorist attack.

This is about making Obama look bad. So far the Republicans have been striking out.

BTW, I’m not so sure the CIA is not covering up something.

Aquagirl

December 3rd, 2012
3:48 pm

McCain did not have someone put in jail because he blamed a video.

What the crap are you babbling about? Who is in jail because of blaming a video?

josef

December 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm

Digging, hell, Imam…some things are as plain as the nose on your face…call it what you want to, it makes me no nevermind. I’ve been dealing with that type of cr*p for a lifetime….knee-jerk? You bet your sweet bippy…I don’t deny it. You do. There’s the difference. Foolish? Whatever you say, Tom. :-)

JamVet

December 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm

Why not double down on Mitt’s Benghazi boner?

The single thing that that man said that as much as any other, proved him unfit to lead.

It is the new con way…

Tom Middleton

December 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm

Makes more sense than anything else, Jay. Oh, and thanks to you I downloaded “Leaving Eden,” and it’s awesome. “Run Mountain, chug a little hill.” :)

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

December 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm

Can you imagine the frothy mess on the right if Ms. Rice had said….

“I don’t know”

What stupendous nonsense.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm

Set aside your shovel and stop digging, Josef. You reacted in a foolish, knee-jerk fashion and are now compounding the mistake.

Well, if I’d of said that to josef he’d be on here threatening to pound me into the pavement.

Loves Me Some Obama Kool-Aid

December 3rd, 2012
3:50 pm

If Rice is guilty of lying, then higher ups are responsible and they should be held accountable. I believe that she has done a terrible job at the UN but that is because she has had to execute this administration’s policies. I don’t see anything here that would disqualify her from Sec of State. They ALL lie at some point. :-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm

Albany, if you bother to read, McCain said effectively the same thing as Rice. You are looking foolish.

willybkind, how foolish. NO ONE was arrested because “he blamed a video”.

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm

josef

In Jay’s credit, here’s the paragraph from which he took that line….

Could it be, as members of the Congressional Black Caucus are charging, that the signatories of the letter are targeting Ms. Rice because she is an African American woman? The signatories deny that, and we can’t know their hearts. What we do know is that more than 80 of the signatories are white males, and nearly half are from states of the former Confederacy. You’d think that before launching their broadside, members of Congress would have taken care not to propagate any falsehoods of their own.

Jay would have probably been better served by using that in it’s entirety, but that phrase was used by the Post to push their idea of why the CBC was crying racism.

Just my opinion though.

chuck

December 3rd, 2012
3:52 pm

aquagirl, I believe that he is referring to the fact that the man who put the video out was arrested for “parole violation” because of the film. But of course dems still believe in free speech…right.

DownInAlbany

December 3rd, 2012
3:53 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm

Albany, if you bother to read, McCain said effectively the same thing as Rice. You are looking foolish.

Your opinion, I suppose…

Loves Me Some Obama Kool-Aid

December 3rd, 2012
3:53 pm

Rachel Maddow? Really? The Liberal equivalent of Pat Robertson :-0

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
3:53 pm

To Jay’s credit…

jconservative

December 3rd, 2012
3:53 pm

“If she was handed talking points with no indication that they were untrue… she gets a pass.”

My reading of all the articles says this is the fact. The culprit, if there must be one, is the Director of National Intelligence whose office handed the “talking points” to Rice. If someone needs to go this is the guy.

And on the Benghazi matter as a whole, Jay is correct in that Hillary Clinton is the Sec of State and it is her job to see to the security of all her employees.

But I believe the McCain effort is more simple than any of the plots discussed. He just wants to win a battle with Obama over something. And he knows the Rice nomination is personally important to Obama.

indigo

December 3rd, 2012
3:54 pm

The American people know there’s little difference between a crazed Muslim street mob and crazed Muslim terriorists. Republican politicians know this too so, there must be some other explanation for their frenetic efforts to make a mountain out of this molehill.

I suspect it, like Boehner’s efforts to put us over the cliff, are desperate attempts by a drowning Republican party to save themselves at any cost, which includes the safety and welfare of the American people.

This current edition of the Republican Party is the sorriest, most unpatriotic group of people it’s ever been America’s misfortune to have.

DownInAlbany

December 3rd, 2012
3:55 pm

Loves Me Some Obama Kool-Aid

December 3rd, 2012
3:53 pm

Rachel Maddow? Really? The Liberal equivalent of Pat Robertson :-0

Isn’t that just precious? They accuse us of being Foxbots (don’t watch Fox) and “looking foolish” and yet they have Maddow, Chris Matthews and (reverend) Al Sharpton! Bawhahaha

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

December 3rd, 2012
3:55 pm

chuck

December 3rd, 2012
3:52 pm
aquagirl, I believe that he is referring to the fact that the man who put the video out was arrested for “parole violation” because of the film. But of course dems still believe in free speech…right.

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And the cons support probation violation?????

more stupendous nonsense.

Regnad Kcin

December 3rd, 2012
3:56 pm

I didn’t Know Ms. Rice had anybody arrested for making a movie.
I didn’t Know Ms. Rice had anybody arrested for making a movie.
I didn’t Know Ms. Rice had anybody arrested for making a movie.

Loves Me Some Obama Kool-Aid

December 3rd, 2012
3:56 pm

DIA…there are crazy ideologues on both sides. I just think the Liberal ones are more amusing :-)

stands for decibels

December 3rd, 2012
3:57 pm

It’s not just Rachel and Mrs. Alan Greenspan advancing this theory any more. Glad to see.

Jay

December 3rd, 2012
3:57 pm

“flipping off the late revered Richard Holbrooke …”

Please. Richard Holbrooke was good at what he did, but he was also renowned as abrasive and intellectually arrogant. And yes, Rice is sometimes described in similar terms, but because she’s a woman it is perceived differently by many.

josef

December 3rd, 2012
3:57 pm

BROSEPHUS

“…but that phrase was used by the Post to push their idea of why the CBC was crying racism.”

Yeah, and he should have confronted it head on and called it by name. THAT was what was stupid in the comment, not that they were white men…there’s some legitimacy to the former, the latter is nothing but, well, delusional lickspittle… :-)

Paul

December 3rd, 2012
3:57 pm

“Well, if I’d of said that to josef he’d be on here threatening to pound me into the pavement.”

Not to worry, Redneck. I doubt if Sean Weatherspoon could make it past The Missus and her frying pan to get at you -

curious

December 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm

chuck

December 3rd, 2012
3:52 pm
“aquagirl, I believe that he is referring to the fact that the man who put the video out was arrested for “parole violation” because of the film. But of course dems still believe in free speech…right.”

The film made him a parole violater?

Maybe he attracted attention to himself when putting out the film (which was a cause for many demonstrations in the Middle East).

As many of you have said about illegal immigrants; “What part of illegal don’t you understand?”

alex

December 3rd, 2012
3:59 pm

@Granny–No worse than the Frothy Mess that has occurred…Goodness.

Well Jay you’ve stirred up the syncophants, couldn’t get TOO excited about marginal rates, but bring up RACE and by God they are inflamed. AND female to boot, How dare they or anyone question integrity……”the new con way”, still smarting over the Badger beating, eh Jamvet…….SOOO superficial..Get over that hangover, get some rest, relax….

Robert Klein Engler

December 3rd, 2012
3:59 pm

Here’s the question Rice must answer:

HELP! TELL US THE TRUTH about BENGHAZI

Many who have looked into the Incident at Benghazi are disappointed in the congressional investigation so far. The most important question that needs to be asked and answered is, “Who gave the order to ’stand down’ at Benghazi?” Once that question is answered, the rest of what went on there will fall into place. “According to a Fox News report by Jennifer Griffin, former Navy Seals Ty Woods and Glen Doherty…were ordered to stand down three times following calls during the attack. The first two times occurred soon after they heard initial shots fired…and (they) requested permission to go to the consulate to help out…(Forbes).” The Examiner.com claims “…former House speaker Newt Gingrich…was informed by a U. S. senator that at least two media networks have recently been given…evidence about the Sept. 11 Benghazi attacks that killed four Americans…The networks obtained e-mail evidence from…the office of National Security Advisor James Jones…ordering a counterterrorism team to cancel a rescue mission at the U. S. consulate and CIA annex in Libya. According to Gingrich…they were told explicitly by the White House ’stand down and do nothing. This is not a terrorist action.’ If this is true, why haven’t those e-mails been made public or asked for by those investigating the Incident at Benghazi? A newspaper like the Chicago Tribune or the Washington Post has resources they can use to seek out an answer and obtain those e-mails. What if there were a robbery at your local bank? Would a reporter investigate the robbery by first flying off to New York and interviewing a senior bank manager, only to discover an adulterous relationship and then spend time reporting that? It would be better to interview the bank tellers, customers and witnesses to the robbery at the local branch first. Why hasn’t something similar been done about the Incident at Benghazi? The FBI was at Benghazi, but for only three hours. How many witnesses did they interview? What did they find out? The man who led the attack on our “mission” at Benghazi is reported giving interviews on Arabic TV! Why has no US reporter contacted him and asked him what happened? The Incident at Benghazi should not disappear off the front page of our newspapers until the stand down question is answered. We are asking the media and our elected representative for help. Tell us the truth. Perhaps there was plot to free the blind sheik. Perhaps our agents were running guns to Syria. The point is this is about betrayal, not politics. We know our ambassador and our men should have been saved. Help was not far away. Who gave the order to stand down at Benghazi? If for no other reason, answer the question to set the minds of our men and women in the military service at ease. They want to be assured someone has their back.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

December 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm

alex

@Granny–No worse than the Frothy Mess that has occurred…Goodness.
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Piffle

alex

December 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm

Intellectually arrogant …beautiful term , let’s ask the Croatians just how intellectual, the late Mr. Holbrook was. Let’s hope that Amb. Rice is ACTUALLY smarter than Holbrook thought he was…

Tom

December 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm

Q: “Why did the chicken cross the road?”

A: “Because it’s Bush’s fault, and you’re a racist.”

indigo

December 3rd, 2012
4:03 pm

Robert – 3:59

All the ranting and raving in the world won’t make this tempest in a tea pot any more important to the American people.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 3rd, 2012
4:03 pm

DIA — “Isn’t that just precious? They accuse us of being Foxbots (don’t watch Fox) and “looking foolish” and yet they have Maddow, Chris Matthews and (reverend) Al Sharpton! Bawhahaha”

It’s still clear that neither of you have ever bothered to watch her show. I’d put her up against Pat Robertson any day.

Besides, MSNBC’s passe. For lib news you can use, you’ve gotta go to Current. Or FSTV.

stands for decibels

December 3rd, 2012
4:03 pm

These guys should be publicly shamed.

These guys need a sense of shame, period. I see no reason to believe they have one.

St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014

December 3rd, 2012
4:03 pm

win an election fair & square without gerrymandering, cons
don’t try to sneak Scotty the male model in the back door.
that’s so….republican

Grover Norquist issues warning to Obama on NBC
“Tea potty II is gonna dwarf Tea potty I”

there’s a half mil in therapy in those 7 words heheh

josef

December 3rd, 2012
4:04 pm

getalife

The chemical weaponry thingie in Syria…has the red line been crossed? I suspect he’ll have to wait to make the move until the new SOS is confirmed, but there has been an audible increase in the sabre rattling…what’s your take?

Jay

December 3rd, 2012
4:05 pm

” The most important question that needs to be asked and answered is, “Who gave the order to ’stand down’ at Benghazi?”

That’s easy: NOBODY.

No such order was given. Like the rest of that particular Fox report — including the claim that US special forces were ready and waiting in Italy — it never happened.

The Pentagon, for example, has made it clear that those alleged special forces units didn’t even arrive in Italy until many hours after the attacks had ended, and that the closest AC-130 gunships were 2,500 miles away in Afghanistan.

No, the most important question that needs to be asked and answered is why conservative outlets are so quick to make up things, and why conservatives continue to believe them even after they’ve been exposed as false.

King of Planet Kolob

December 3rd, 2012
4:06 pm

How many racist actually admit their actions are racially motivated? This is about Kerry’s senate seat which Scott Brown will lose to Martha Coakley this time.

Fly-On-The-Wall

December 3rd, 2012
4:06 pm

I’m more inclinded to believe the idea that the Repubs want Kerry to take a cabinet post so Scott Brown would have a chance at winning another Senate seat. To me that’s the only explanation that really makes sense.

Jannie

December 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm

I am sorry, but I have to remind you that 4 americans were murdered. She went on the 5 talk shows and gave her spin and the film maker is in jail. Don’t you as a american question this? When I saw the photos of Chris Stevens dragged through the streets,and then was told that our administration knew the truth about his death and the death of the three other 3 Americans, but sent Susan Rice out to lie. Its not her fault? Ok whose fault is it that she proves that she is incomptent. Obama always blames someone else. When he said go after me thats what should happed. Its not McCains motives I question in this this administrations. Chris Stevens was murdered and the coverup is more important than Susan Rice’s career. But let’s make this about Susan Rice not the 4 Murdered Americans because we do not want to question the teflon predident.Thank God for Senator McCain who fought for this country and for our freedom, spent time in a prison camp and came back to have people like you and our Dem. party question his motives but do not question Obama’s involvement. When did it become political to question the murder of Americans. I guess it was when Obama went on late night TV and referred to the death as a bump in the road. What we need is more people to question this administration.

Jay

December 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm

“Let’s hope that Amb. Rice is ACTUALLY smarter than Holbrook thought he was…

Impossible. Even Einstein wasn’t smarter than Holbrook thought he was.

MANGLER

December 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm

Can we write and sign a letter saying that we don’t think Senator McCain is fit to be a Senator any more and then forward it to the Arizona Senate? It will be about as effective as their little dog and pony show. Wait, actually, as voters it WOULD in fact be more effective than their little dog and pony show (psst, Benghazi!)

josef

December 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm

Fly on the Wall
@ 4:06

That’s my knee-jerk, foolish take on it, too…

stands for decibels

December 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm

Jay

December 3rd, 2012
4:10 pm

“Yeah, and he should have confronted it head on and called it by name.”

Oh please. As if an insult to the honor of the Confederacy was the most important issue raised in that discussion.

Paul

December 3rd, 2012
4:11 pm

Robert Klein Engler

How long do we have to wait for an answer to “No, the most important question that needs to be asked and answered is why conservative outlets are so quick to make up things, and why conservatives continue to believe them even after they’ve been exposed as false.”?

curious

December 3rd, 2012
4:11 pm

If Gingrich said it, it must be true.

Amazing how much access he has to classified information.

Erwin's cat

December 3rd, 2012
4:11 pm

No, the most important question that needs to be asked and answered is why conservative outlets are so quick to make up things, and why conservatives continue to believe them even after they’ve been exposed as facts.

didn’t you do a blog that unequivocally identified the disaster in a Benghazi as just a demonstration and NOT a terror attack?…Do any of “us” really know what the “facts” are?

Paul

December 3rd, 2012
4:12 pm

” the honor of the Confederacy”

I’m going to have to think about that one…..

Done.

Jay

December 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm

“didn’t you do a blog that unequivocally identified the disaster in a Benghazi as just a demonstration and NOT a terror attack?”

No.

Aquagirl

December 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm

And the cons support probation violation?????

more stupendous nonsense.

As long as the violator is on “their side” apparently so. If you use the internet to commit fraud using an alias, it’s perfectly understandable you’d be prohibited from doing so while on parole. Make a youtube video under an alias that goes viral, you go back to jail. Duh.

I wonder how many of these cons would support a paroled rapist/robber next door openly waving guns around and taking target practice in the backyard? They’d shoot the guy on his front porch and then get poutraged when they were arrested.

Hypocrites. No wonder their little Repub tent is shrinking like VCR sales. It’s like a vicious circle–the more irrelevant they become, the more repugnant they act. Adios, boys. Not nice knowing you.

Georgia

December 3rd, 2012
4:15 pm

The acting CIA director and Hillary put the talking points together. The commander in chief concurred. Or edited. It’s not obvious? No, low level interns decided to save reelection by……..

Classified info should have bromance subplots and adulterous intrigues. Obama shouldn’t have to dodge friendly fire as he leads our war on terror. None of us know anything about what patraeus was doing in Libya. We know what he was doing in Afghanistan. The bromance angle needs McCain to be an opportunistic and political genius. Cynthia tucker! Thank you, C.T.

Paul

December 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm

Erwin’s cat

I believe the thread was about how ‘elastic’ some are in their terminology in using the term ‘terror attack”, especially in situations where other terms may be more accurate.

As I asked at the time, suppose there’s a future scenario where an organization identified as ‘terrorist’ conducts joint military operations with Country R against us. Such operations involve ground forces, armor, aircraft and ships. Would such a coordinated attack be accurately described as a ‘terror attack’ as opposed, say, an ‘attack’ or a ‘military operation’?

imjustsayin

December 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm

Jay, you’re joking of course, right? This “strategery”, as expressed weeks ago by Rachael Maddow, is so obvious that what is driving this is indeed pure politics, nothing more. Should Ms. Rice decide against the nomination and Obama selects someone other than a senator, we’ll here the same red herring rightwing nonsense for that new candidate as well while they continue to hypocritically glorify Kerry. Getting Scott Brown back into the Senate is the GOTP’s primary goal here. Elementary my dear Bookman.

Goldie

December 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm

I think this is all about McCain and Graham (who stated last week that they are “disturbed” by Susan Rice) believing they have found the perfect vehicle for blocking Our President’s first nomination after getting himself re-elected. The GOP is so infantile in their hatred for the President — petitions for secession, Benghazi-gate, and whatever other childish tantrums they can think of! This would be hilarious if they weren’t such a hateful, spiteful party!

:)

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm

Do any of “us” really know what the “facts” are?

Question of the year!!!

josef

Don’t know if you caught it downstairs, but we officially have “The Fred Rule” here. I was reminded when you used the delusional word….. :)

Joe Hussein Mama

December 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm

The what of the who, now?