A technical guide to cliff-jumping, fiscal and otherwise

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"Oh no, we're going over the edge and I'm not driving!!!"

Hi ho, hi ho, it’s off the fiscal cliff we go ….

Yes, it’s still pretty early in the process. Negotiators in Washington are several weeks from the deadline for averting the so-called fiscal cliff, which would automatically kick in some $600 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts. But so far, neither side is willing to take the steps necessary to alter course. U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina predicted over the weekend that “we’re going over the cliff,” and it wouldn’t be a surprise if he turns out to be right.

In preparation for that moment, I thought it might be timely to review five classic examples of cliff-jumping, including a brief analysis of the techniques, motivations and survival strategies, if any, involved in each.

1. The iconic “Thelma and Louise:”

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The “Thelma and Louise” is a grand philosophical gesture. It makes a statement to the world that life as we had previously known it just isn’t worth living any longer, so what the hell, right? Put the pedal to the metal and let’s see what happens.

A surprising number of those in Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, have apparently joined the “Thelma and Louise Caucus,” raising the odds that we’ll be going over the edge in spectacular style. As Louise told Thelma, “You’ve always been crazy. This is just the first chance you’ve had to express yourself.”

Among other things, it’s a terrible waste of a 1966 Thunderbird convertible.

2. The “Wile E. Coyote”:

Wile-E-Coyote_falling

Wile E. Coyote is obsessed with catching the Roadrunner, but in the end is always frustrated by his own incompetence and bungling. Quite often, his dreams and plans involve mail-order Acme products, such as Acme rockets, Acme earthquake pills or, in the case of the 2012 GOP campaign, Acme polling and Acme Senate candidates.

The good news is that the Coyote is indestructible. After every failed attempt — most of which involve long, painful falls off a cliff — he picks himself up and tries again. The bad news is, he never seems to learn that doing the same thing over and over again only ensures that you keep getting the same bad results. That is both his charm and his fatal flaw.

3. The Acalpulco Cliff Diver:

cliffdive

The secret to surviving this form of cliff-diving is timing. If you launch your dive at the proper moment, as the ocean waves are surging in toward you, there will be enough water in the bay below to allow a safe entry. However, if you time it wrong — if you jump just as the waves are washing back out to sea — you can find yourself diving headfirst into the rocks below, and the results ain’t pretty.

I think there’s a lesson there, Speaker Boehner.

4. “The Buffalo Jump”:

Buffalo_jump

In the days before the arrival of the horse in North America, Native American tribesmen would whip herds of buffalo into a fearful frenzy and then stampede the herd into jumping off a nearby cliff, where they became easy pickings. And if you think about it, frightening others into jumping off a cliff en masse remains a great business model. Just ask Rush Limbaugh, Grover Norquist and Fox News.

5. “BASE jumping:”

BASE is an acronym for Buildings, Antennas, Spans (such as bridges), and Earth (cliffs), all of which become launching points for daredevil jumpers. Early BASE-jumping pioneers used parachutes to break their falls, but as seen in the video above, the latest innovation is wingsuits (no, not this kind of wingsuit), which turn the jumper into the equivalent of Rocket J. Squirrel.

Like Thelma and Louise, base jumpers go over the edge on purpose. Like Wile E. Coyote, base jumpers do a lot of careful planning. (They do not, however, order their equipment from Acme.) And like the Acalpulco cliff divers, base jumpers have every intention of surviving, and they do … most of the time, anyway.

It remains, however, very dangerous and is not for the faint of heart.

– Jay Bookman

315 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
11:32 am

But you really don’t get the full effect until you add in the Republicans screams as we go off…..sort of like going over the big hill of the rollercoaster…but no weeeeessss

CJ

December 3rd, 2012
11:34 am

No need to go over any fiscal cliff (so-called). All we need is for House Republicans to extend the tax cuts for 98 percent of Americans and 97 percent of small businesses. In other words, pass the tax cuts that Republicans and Democrats agree on. Then, save the bickering over the rest for next year.

Why Republicans won’t pass these tax cuts and get the issue behind them is beyond me. They’re just digging the hole deeper for themselves.

(Enjoyed the post, Jay!)

TaxPayer

December 3rd, 2012
11:35 am

I think I’ll take safe passage to the bottom of the cliff and observe the splats that Republicans make upon landing. I’m thinking each picture will be worth a thousand words so I should have more than enough for a book in no time at all. Now, if I can get a spot on The Daily Show…

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

December 3rd, 2012
11:36 am

oh, and you will also be able to kiss that AA rating goodbye …

but, hey … wth, right?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
11:36 am

Side note: When did Bain buy Acme and outsource all the jobs?

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
11:37 am

Seems like the GOP 2001-2012 took the #2 approach in trying to make Obama a one-termer.

:lol:

Paul

December 3rd, 2012
11:38 am

‘cept Republican cliff divers say things like “nothing will go wrong’ or ‘the bad stuff’s exaggerated’ or ‘Let the bad stuff happen! Only the idiots get hurt!”

Still haven’t heard Republicans lay out their cuts to reduce the deficit…..just engage in a PR campagn saying the White House isn’t serious -

Fred ™

December 3rd, 2012
11:38 am

Finally, someone woke Jay up lol. Good to see you up and at it Jay bright eyed and bushy tailed at the crack of NOON!!!!!!!!!!

Might as well jump…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlq0lYB3iSM

Joe Hussein Mama

December 3rd, 2012
11:38 am

That “Fearless Felix” dude — who did the space jump back in October — apparently skydived ONTO some skyscraper in Europe and then immediately BASE jumped right off the building some years ago.

I believe this is more-or-less what Congressional Republicans have in mind.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

December 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

“Still haven’t heard Republicans lay out their cuts to reduce the deficit…..just engage in a PR campagn saying the White House isn’t serious -”

and parrot the “the president doesn’t have a plan” lie.

Nancy Pelosi

December 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

We have to go over the cliff so we can see what happens next.

getalife

December 3rd, 2012
11:42 am

The gop are cartoon characters ignoring the American people and blowing the 14 election early.

the cat

December 3rd, 2012
11:42 am

Jay-that was fun, thanks.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

December 3rd, 2012
11:43 am

Fly-On-The-Wall

December 3rd, 2012
11:43 am

The Repubs will blame the Dems on taking all of the water from under the cliff diver. If we would just cut taxes more then there’d be more water for the cliff diver!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 3rd, 2012
11:44 am

54 TREES…

drudgey spam

RB from Gwinnett

December 3rd, 2012
11:45 am

“Why Republicans won’t pass these tax cuts and get the issue behind them is beyond me. They’re just digging the hole deeper for themselves.”

Let me get this straight.. In your simple mind, raising taxes on those making over $250k is a “tax cut” for everybody else???

Only in liberal land……

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
11:45 am

TaxPayer

December 3rd, 2012
11:46 am

It’s comforting to know that the Republicans do not suffer from cremnophobia. After all, it’s not the fall from the cliff that will get you. It’s the landing. What is the word for fear of a hard landing anyway.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 3rd, 2012
11:47 am

Repeat after me:

IT’S NOT A CLIFF.
IT’S NOT A CLIFF.

It’s a curb on a cracked sidewalk. What’s on the other side of the street is better shops. Crossing the street can be scary, but…

IT’S NOT A CLIFF.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 3rd, 2012
11:49 am

Maybe, just maybe, since the GOP is historically for “Big Business”, and since “Big Business” is moving jobs elsewhere, all this fiscal cliff business is just a smoke screen to hide this…

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/finance/20121202/AS.China_s.Reach.Trading.Places/

RB from Gwinnett

December 3rd, 2012
11:51 am

Bro, I don’t ever again care to hear anything AT&T’s CEO or any other employee of the company has to say. WORST SERVICE EVER!!!!

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 3rd, 2012
11:53 am

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

Well, I ain’t worried about this Physical Cliff long as I got Bubba MacPherson to do my tax returns. With Bubba working his magic I know I’m going to get a huge refund thanks to this earned income thingie he uses.

And it will be good for us all if the spending cuts slash the welfare to Those People and the lazy bums that don’t work and won’t go out and find good jobs like being a order taker at McDonalds or Burger King.

Anyhow if I go off of a cliff there’ll be alot of people going with me. But they won’t have Bubba on their side to cushion the landing.

Have a good Monday everybody.

Fred ™

December 3rd, 2012
11:55 am

RB from Gwinnett

December 3rd, 2012
11:51 am

Bro, I don’t ever again care to hear anything AT&T’s CEO or any other employee of the company has to say. WORST SERVICE EVER!!!!
++++++++++++++++++++++

On that we definitely agree. I have fire them 5 or 6 times. (They keep buying companies I replace them with lol like BellSouth).

Remember when they were one of the most respected companies in the world? They went from first to worst in record time. I always felt that the CEO and board of directors who did that to them shouldn’t have been fired, they should have been escorted out of the building into the parking lot, given a cigarette, and then been shot.

the cat

December 3rd, 2012
11:57 am

Fred and RB-Beg to differ! The worst company in the world is Comcast.

Erwin's cat

December 3rd, 2012
11:58 am

Remember when they were one of the most respected companies in the world? They went from first to worst in record time. I always felt that the CEO and board of directors who did that to them shouldn’t have been fired

It wasn’t a CEO, it was the govt…that whole monopoly thing that forced them to split up just so they could go and buy them back

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
11:59 am

RB

Am I supposed to care about your service? I don’t pay for it, so excuse me for sounding completely detached in saying I don’t give a rat’s ass about how you were treated. Given that their stock is ok, they must be taking care of somebody. I don’t personally use AT&T, so I have no idea about their service.

JamVet

December 3rd, 2012
11:59 am

We have to fight the cliff jumpers here so that we don’t have to fight them over there.

Fred ™

December 3rd, 2012
11:59 am

the cat: I’ve never had a problem with Comcast……..

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

December 3rd, 2012
12:00 pm

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

December 3rd, 2012
12:01 pm

Fred – (and RB, for that matter) – I think of AT&T, I think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDa5fGwwIes

(start at :30)

JackThrock

December 3rd, 2012
12:01 pm

Jay – Reposting question here re your tax article from the other day. Do you happen to know?

Jay – Two questions:

1. If the rates were equal to 1980 rates, how much extra revenue would the government collect?
2. If the rates were changed to match 1980’s rates, what would the yearly deficit be?

There are two sides to the equation: taxes and spending. One can make a qualitative argument that we are not overtaxed, but undertaxed, as you just have. But can you also make the same argument that our spending is in line relative to taxes, even at the higher rates?

How Obama Could Kick Republican A$$ (If He Wanted To)

December 3rd, 2012
12:02 pm

the cat

December 3rd, 2012
12:02 pm

Fred-give it time, you will.

Dunwoody Granny

December 3rd, 2012
12:02 pm

Jay, did you forget the most famous cliff dive of all, the Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? The fall alone will kill you. Jump anyway.

Morality?

December 3rd, 2012
12:03 pm

For Obama voters a fall over the fiscal cliff is deserved.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 3rd, 2012
12:03 pm

ByteMe – Maybe $300-$400 per month in additional Federal income taxes is not a problem for you, but that’s not true for all of us. It is not a curb, it is at a minimum an extremely steep hill. For me, it is a cliff.

getalife

December 3rd, 2012
12:03 pm

We are fighting for tax cuts and stopping the gop from adding regulations to our economy.

We are cons.

Jay

December 3rd, 2012
12:04 pm

Granny, I unfortunately DID forget that one! You’re right, it too is a classic.

Goldie

December 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

Thanks Jay — very enjoyable analysis!

:)

RB from Gwinnett

December 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

“. I always felt that the CEO and board of directors who did that to them shouldn’t have been fired, they should have been escorted out of the building into the parking lot, given a cigarette, and then been shot.”

Even worse, they should be required to call their own customer service once a day….a fate worse than death!!

getalife

December 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

They are fighting for no tax cuts and adding regulations to our economy.

The cons are libs.

Paul

December 3rd, 2012
12:07 pm

JackThrock

” But can you also make the same argument that our spending is in line relative to taxes, even at the higher rates?”

You must be new here. Jay has repeatedly written that our spending is way out of balance with revenue.

It’s what happens when you enact two major tax cuts and fight two wars and provide all kinds of new social benefits and exempt large groups of people from paying income taxes.

Like Republicans did under the previous president.

Fred ™

December 3rd, 2012
12:07 pm

Erwin’s cat

December 3rd, 2012
11:58 am

Remember when they were one of the most respected companies in the world? They went from first to worst in record time. I always felt that the CEO and board of directors who did that to them shouldn’t have been fired

It wasn’t a CEO, it was the govt…that whole monopoly thing that forced them to split up just so they could go and buy them back
++++++++++++++++++

Yes it WAS a CEO, during the time period I am talking about. Thanks for playing.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 3rd, 2012
12:08 pm

A bigger problem than the rate increases are the changes in tax brackets. Going back to the good-ole-Clinton days means the middle class pays a higher rate at a much lower income threshold.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

ByteMe – Maybe $300-$400 per month in additional Federal income taxes is not a problem for you, but that’s not true for all of us. It is not a curb, it is at a minimum an extremely steep hill. For me, it is a cliff.

I’m guessing that it won’t be that for you. The numbers they’ve been throwing around in the media are “average”, which means that people who make more will pay more (and push up the average), and people who pay less will pay less (like you).

IT’S NOT A CLIFF.

The resulting -600 billion to GDP is about 4% of GDP in an economy growing about 2%, so that takes us to -2% GDP, which is a recession, but also a very mild one. After about 5-6 quarters, the economic changes will work their way through the economy and we’ll force a lot of capital to get freed up by not needing so much debt to fund the government, so what’s on the other side is going to be most excellent.

Jay

December 3rd, 2012
12:10 pm

Granny, I just found that snippet on youtube — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IbStIb9XXw — but it contains a word I can’t post here.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 3rd, 2012
12:10 pm

Even worse, they should be required to call their own customer service once a day….a fate worse than death!!

My experience with AT&T’s customer service is vastly different than yours. Whether it’s about my cell phone or air-card, their personnel are knowledgeable, helpful and courteous.

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
12:10 pm

Maybe $300-$400 per month in additional Federal income taxes is not a problem for you, but that’s not true for all of us.

And what kind of income are you earning so that a 3% rate increase will lead to an additional $300 – $400 per mont in additional Federal income taxes?

Mick

December 3rd, 2012
12:10 pm

Yes, ATT is a mess, even here in south florida. If you have to call them get ready for a network of clusterfrickers, it’s that bad…

indigo

December 3rd, 2012
12:10 pm

Maybe Republicans have decided that if they can’t serve their Big Business masters any longer and, therefore, are no longer eligible for the corporate financial gravy train, then political life is just not worth living any longer so, what the hell, right?

MANGLER

December 3rd, 2012
12:11 pm

The GOP didn’t compromise on anything for 4 years because they were very publicly setting Obama up for failure so that they could win 2012, do things their way, and take credit any positive outcomes while shifting blame for any negative outcomes back on the administration they very publicly obstructed.
Why would they want to compromise now? They won’t be able to take credit for anything positive happening, but sure as heck will blame the administration that they are still very publicly obstructing for any fallout from the sequestration.
The irony is, well, beyond that this whole deal was created by the GOP for the GOP to take credit for, is that sequestration will immediately slam the defense industry and it’s subsidiaries. You know, the ones that the GOP insists need more money that they already don’t need. Similar to the bed tax over on Kyle’s blog, only with six to 9 more zeroes after the comma.

Erwin's cat

December 3rd, 2012
12:11 pm

Really Fred…which CEO was it?

In the interest of full disclosure, I was once employed by the “death star” so my memory of history might be accurate

Nunna Yobinnes

December 3rd, 2012
12:12 pm

Byte Me – I calculated the difference in tax based on the rates AND the brackets that were in place during the Clinton Administration compared to the current brackets and rates. $300-$400 per month. Not something I look forward to.

Doggone/GA

December 3rd, 2012
12:12 pm

“I’ve never had a problem with Comcast……..”

And I’ve never had a problem with AT&T

Fred ™

December 3rd, 2012
12:12 pm

Paul

December 3rd, 2012
12:07 pm

JackThrock

” But can you also make the same argument that our spending is in line relative to taxes, even at the higher rates?”

You must be new here. Jay has repeatedly written that our spending is way out of balance with revenue.

It’s what happens when you enact two major tax cuts and fight two wars and provide all kinds of new social benefits and exempt large groups of people from paying income taxes.

Like Republicans did under the previous president.
++++++++++++++++++++++

Nice try Paul. Jockstrap here has asked that question several different ways (2 now on this thread alone) and it has been answered. Since it’s not the answer he WANTS it to be, he just keeps on asking and asking and asking………

I guess he thinks he’s making some type of point. I think he’s high lol.

Adam

December 3rd, 2012
12:12 pm

Hahaha I love it.

Hey, where’s EJ Moosa and kayaker?

alex

December 3rd, 2012
12:13 pm

“great business model”—stupid

Nunna Yobinnes

December 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

Brosephus – You’re ignoring the real problem. If things go back to the way they were in the Clinton Administration, the higher tax rates kicked in at a much lower income level. Tax increases of 3% are simplistic and assume that the brackets stay the same.

Adam

December 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

RB: Let me get this straight.. In your simple mind, raising taxes on those making over $250k is a “tax cut” for everybody else???

I wonder if you will be saying the same thing after the taxes get reset and then it’s the DEMOCRATS proposing a tax cut.

This, in my opinion, is EXACTLY what Obama wants. Because then he is in an even stronger position. And all these Republicans opposing things now will wish, as they no doubt wish from the debt ceiling talks, that they had taken the deal.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 3rd, 2012
12:15 pm

Fred — “Remember when they were one of the most respected companies in the world? They went from first to worst in record time.”

I thought that happened to Mindspring/Earthlink. They went from absolutely outstanding to not worth a cold cowpie in the space of a year or so.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 3rd, 2012
12:15 pm

Byte Me – I calculated the difference in tax based on the rates AND the brackets that were in place during the Clinton Administration compared to the current brackets and rates. $300-$400 per month. Not something I look forward to.

Excellent, so apples to apples. If it’s really 300-400 a month in federal taxes, then you’re making more than enough money, so complaining isn’t remotely interesting. :)

Paul

December 3rd, 2012
12:17 pm

Fred

Thanks.

We do seem to get a lot of that here with a certain category of political attitude, don’t we?

BTW, all, Grover Norquist was interviewed on NPRs Diane Rehm show today. Audio and transcript on her NPR website.

Amazing Grover would make an appearance on a publicly-funded, liberal media show Republicans want to eliminate, isn’t it?

Adam

December 3rd, 2012
12:17 pm

Hey I’ll complain about my taxes being more than they were last year, but I sure won’t act like I’ll vote Republican because of it. They are the ones, after all, who won’t take the deal that would keep my tax rates down.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

Not when you pay $1500/mo for health insurance. You have no idea what my income level is. You have no idea what my itemized deductions are. The bigger problem is the changes in tax brackets.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

Adam — “Hey, where’s EJ Moosa and kayaker?”

I can’t speak for Moosa, but K71 was here a couple days after the election and he was FURIOUS. I mean, he was *this* close to a stroke furious.

So I told him that if Jay’s blog was causing him that much upset and anger, then maybe he ought to take a break from it for a while and come back when he’s cooled down. And since he’s a doctor, I think he saw the sense in that.

So I haven’t seen him since, and I guess he’s still cooling off.

straitroad

December 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

It’s a real shame that so many of our citizens have been convinced that their time should be spent not on being industrious or productive but being envious of others who see opportunity in this country. No amount of someone else’s money will make these folks content.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

“A technical guide to cliff-jumping, fiscal and otherwise”

Our country jumped off the “collective cliff” when you libs. voted in Obama.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

RB is complaining about his ATT Obamaphone?

STUPID LIBERAL

December 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

are you not TAXED enough already ??

income both state and federal
sales
home
car tag
gas
cell phone
insurance, car and now health
toll roads

lets not forget other ways our government makes money..

not wearing a seat belt ?? $125
Going 8 mph over speed limit ?? $200
go through a yellow light with a traffic camera ?? $100
get caught with a plant ?? $1000 plus probation.

if you a single man, you better not have any kids, there is a special tax just for you..

Are you making more than 50K a year and still single ?? They have a special tax just for you also..

yeah , we are taxed enough already..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

O.K. NFL players should not be able to own guns.

Next.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 3rd, 2012
12:20 pm

…someone else’s money…

There’s your sign.

RB from Gwinnett

December 3rd, 2012
12:22 pm

Byte, “If it’s really 300-400 a month in federal taxes, then you’re making more than enough money,”

So YOU get to decide who has “enough” money now and who doesn’t? Let me guess, YOU don’t have enough, so you shouldn’t be asked to contribute to OUR debt, but other people who have more than YOU should be. Is that about right, Byte? Everybody pays but YOU?

fedup

December 3rd, 2012
12:22 pm

These “UNION” of fat cats will sponsor the fat cats like the Boner and all. So they don’t care which cliff diving they take part in. They are laughing to the bank with other “UNION” money.

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

You’re ignoring the real problem. If things go back to the way they were in the Clinton Administration, the higher tax rates kicked in at a much lower income level.

You know what else happens if things go back to the Clinton rates??? No more f**king talk about the 47% because, under Clinton and his rates, about 33% – 35% of taxpayers had no net fed income tax liability. As far as I’m concerned, those rates should have ended in 2010 just as the GOP passed them. I personally would not have voted to extend them then, and I would not vote to extend them now. It’s a tax sale that we can not afford.

Fred ™

December 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Jay

December 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Fred, cease the name-calling.

And in Fred’s honor, the word “asshat” will now put you into automatic moderation. Call it the “Fred Rule”.

larry

December 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

What if you are scared of heights?

weetamoe

December 3rd, 2012
12:26 pm

Actually all of your usual suspects/villains are disinterested observers as far as qui bono. Limbaugh and others have no compelling interest or authority in the jump or not jump contest, but Norquist has I think the best solution for negotiations. Put the whole mess on TV. Keep the promise of transparency. The people will see who lies. Not enough saw Obama’s blatant lie about Fast and Furious on Univision, and there was not much coverage of his lies at the UN or about his trips to China, Burma, and Cambodia. Let’s see him show some leadership by doing his job before the nation.

Nunna Yobinnes

December 3rd, 2012
12:26 pm

So the only option for financial survival is to cheat on your taxes I suppose. I’ll have start donating my contributions of used underwear ala Clinton. Used underwear does have such a high resale value.

Adam

December 3rd, 2012
12:26 pm

JHM: Vacation from areas such as this after an election can be quite nice. You may notice my reduced time here. I finally realized spending so much time focusing on the election prevented me from doing other real world stuff like building my game ideas :)

By the way, if you or anyone else is interested, I need a bunch of people to give me feedback on HTML5 games I create sometime in the hopefully near future. All you need is an updated browser and an interest in playing games. It also helps if you have Facebook or a smartphone or a tablet.

Fred ™

December 3rd, 2012
12:27 pm

Sorry Jay, but his constant “arguing” has gotten on my last nerve. NOW he’s telling me that events in my life didn’t happen? Really? If that’s not a buttox fedora move, then nothing is. Is he gonna tellme next that I’m not fat or something lol?

Adam

December 3rd, 2012
12:28 pm

Brospehus: You know what else happens if things go back to the Clinton rates??? No more f**king talk about the 47% because, under Clinton and his rates, about 33% – 35% of taxpayers had no net fed income tax liability. As far as I’m concerned, those rates should have ended in 2010 just as the GOP passed them. I personally would not have voted to extend them then, and I would not vote to extend them now. It’s a tax sale that we can not afford.

Raising a glass to this!

Adam

December 3rd, 2012
12:28 pm

LOL buttox fedora

indigo

December 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

Scout

Your idol, George W. Bush, took us all over the cliff with two useless credit card wars and the worst recession since the great depression. We’re still trying to claw our way back up.

getalife

December 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

The cons left politics when they realized their party is fighting against tax cuts and fighting for regulations.

Their hypocrisy only goes so far.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

December 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

“Hey, where’s EJ Moosa and kayaker?”

I thought kayaker was now the source of the “leech” posts.

Erwin's cat

December 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

Fred…I will consider you fear of felines in future posts

Brosephus™

December 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

Call it the “Fred Rule”.

How will very creative derivative names fall under said rule?

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 3rd, 2012
12:30 pm

Just exactly what is an azz chapeau?

getalife

December 3rd, 2012
12:31 pm

Dang, now Fred is adding regulations.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!

December 3rd, 2012
12:31 pm

Does butt beret count?

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 3rd, 2012
12:31 pm

“Like Thelma and Louise, base jumpers go over the edge on purpose. Like Wile E. Coyote, base jumpers do a lot of careful planning. (They do not, however, order their equipment from Acme.) And like the Acalpulco cliff divers, base jumpers have every intention of surviving, and they do … most of the time, anyway.”
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Thelma, Louise, Mr. Coyote, AND Juan the cliff diver ..as well as any Obama/Romney-bot…….all have something in common.
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They arel paid entertainment for the growing majority of basic-decency-type freedom-loving Americans ………who only scoff (and laugh)at Washington’s dishonest and immoral theatrics.
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Keep up the good work.
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Forward Liberty

Joe Hussein Mama

December 3rd, 2012
12:31 pm

Fred — “buttox fedora”

FULL OF WIN

clem

December 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

if they fail to act before the cliff, then first order of business for new congress is to cut their pay until they get deal done….cut the wh too…….no tickee no laundry

TaxPayer

December 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

Actually I think I’ll forgo the earplugs. Listening to Republicans whine about being forced to pay for their own debt is entertaining.

Jm

December 3rd, 2012
12:33 pm

I jump off cliffs all the time

In NW GA

I use a hanglider, of course

Nunna Yobinnes

December 3rd, 2012
12:34 pm

How did throwing money at welfare recipients become my own debt?

Paul

December 3rd, 2012
12:34 pm

Corbin Sharpe

Well, if you’re looking down on one, that middle crease on the top does kinda look like what Fred described that’ll get you banned -