‘Overtaxed’ Americans a politically useful myth

Jay

Thanks for a new thread.

How was the show last night?

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Jay:

And because we have been “undertaxed” we became the greatest nation the world has ever seen and you libs. are doing everything you can to change that.

In the meantime, you are totally free to contribute more to the U.S. Treasury anytime you desire. Just write that check. They will take it.

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Love seeing charts and smelling coffee in the morning.

Raise taxes on incomes above $500,000. Cut deductions/loopholes. And reduce spending in defense, medicare, medicaid and social security.

And Go Dogs.

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Jay

Scouts joke on the FNM thread concerning the bar owner building his business himself seems to be the con talking points.

I wonder if the roads were not built where would he be.

The sewage system wasn’t built, health code not enforced?

Many others contributed to that business behind the scenes.

Without any taxes being levied for the good of the country Scout would not have had a career as a gov’t employee leech LOL

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Any honest analysis of our current financial situation must account for this basic, fundamental fact

The key word is honest which seems to be something most conned failed.

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We don’t have a taxing problem we have a spending problem. Thanks to Jay and the NYT for clarifying that for us.

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Very true regarding out taxation when compared to other industrial counties. And also true about politicians, on both sides, “buying” votes via Tax breaks/Social Security/Medicare and so forth.

A quick point though. In the US we are responsible for our retirement, healthcare, and college education.
I’m in a bracket that has enjoyed overall decrease as noted above, but during this time a few things have happened:

1. Employer went bankrupt, my pension was terminated. Have to really bump up the 401k. Currently 18% contribution per month. Max out IRA. Still thankful to have a good job.
2. My health insurance, which was free when I started my current job, now costs $550 per month for my family. Don’t get me wrong I don’t mind paying it, just happy/lucky to have it.
3. Have three kids (my choice and responsibility of course) Squirrel away $750-1k per month into 529 accounts. College costs have far outpaced inflation and wage growth.

Maybe it sorta kinda evens out when compared to Europe.

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Cutting taxes does not increase tax revenue. It is a short term stimulue, according to Keynes, but it decreases revenue and creates a deficit.
Regan followed Keynes to the letter, he used deficit spending by cutting taxes and increased government spending. Short term stimulus but deficit and increase in national debt.
He had to turn around and raise taxes, as did George H.W. Bush.
Then Clinton raised taxes more and cut spending and built up a surplus.
All just as Keynes predicted in his theories.

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Ooooooooo ! Jealousy !

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Socialism is government ownership of industry and business. We don’t have that in this country.
Excpet in professional football where the government ownes the stadiums for the foot teams.

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Jay,

When are you and the rest of the liberals going to discuss the 47% that pay ZERO income tax? Surely you realize that 47% of Americans are not retired and disabled.
America has too many free loaders.
Before we raise taxes on the 53% that actual pay taxes…let’s tax the 47% that pay ZERO.

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Ahh the mantra of “we don’t have a taxing problem, we have a spending problem”….. but then they go on to want to cut taxes some more and to subsidize corporate excesses…. meanwhile bridges are collapsing.

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“Excpet in professional football where the government ownes the stadiums for the foot teams”

but even in that case, the government doesn’t own the BUSINESS

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Common Sense isn’t very Common:

By the way, I believe Jay’s father was retired military.

If so, was he a “leech” ?

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Taxes are like clothes and shoes – you get what you pay for, if the people want all of their gov’t services not cut, then you have to pay for it. I suggest a 3 to 1 ratio, the top two percent pay 3% and the rest of us 1% with a cap on all programs. After an audit, trim the hedges…

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“They don’t own the team, but they on and rent out the building (stadium) for a profit. Govt. is in the commerical property rental and management business.”

They still don’t own the business. Do you think the owners of the Empire State Building own EVERY business that rents space from them? No, they don’t.

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Great answer Jay.

You present a chart saying people are paying less taxes today that they were years ago but you ignore the fact that we have a huge segment of the population that pays ZERO income taxes.

I guess you just like to stick to your talking points. Gee, I wonder if that is the reason the AJC circulation continues to decline.

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Doggone, you sure do love to argue. Dogone, Dogone.

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James: “Before we raise taxes on the 53% that actual pay taxes…let’s tax the 47% that pay ZERO.”

The old “leeching” argument. How original.

The 53% who “actually pay” taxes, as you put it, should be assessed a “hoarding” tax, a tax for hoarding the share of the work and income. The majority of the burden for such a tax should fall on the very top of that 53%, the very top 1%. It is their income which has soared to unheard-of levels under the socialist Kenyan. They can easily afford it and they should have their “asses taxed off” as one former Democratic presidential candidate once put it.

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“but you ignore the fact that we have a huge segment of the population that pays ZERO income taxes”

So you think that someone who makes so little they owe no income taxes should have MORE of that little income taken away from them just to fulfill YOU’RE spurious ideas of what? Fairness? Equality? What? Are are you just jealous because YOU AREN’T POOR ENOUGH to own no income taxes. Well, THAT one is easy to fix. It’s not hard at all to join them, and then you too won’t have to pay income taxes.

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Oscar@11:29 am

Spot on. I gots mine screw you.

Don’t feed, clothe or educate them and maybe if the cons are lucky they will self deport or die.

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We all have our facts and ideologies. But as long as fear, prejudice and greed continue to dominate the social conscience of the nation, decisions on distribution of wealth, social and material inequality, and state/corporate vs human rights will remain skewed and predatory. A small number of people can never control a large number of people without rigging the game. It’s not just the myth of ‘over taxation’.

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“When spending has far outstripped population growth plus inflation, you have a spending problem”

Not when you voluntarily REDUCE your income you don’t. Then you have an income problem that CAN be fixed.

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for the slow repubs:

http://keithhennessey.com/2010/04/15/off-the-rolls/

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Mick

You leech

Why didn’t you just sit there and starve LOL

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Clearly the problem with our country is that we have people in that 0-25k income bracket. We need job creators to help these folks. Why won’t scout and company hire these people now that they have the tax cuts that they claimed was holding them back.

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Google is a wonderful thing. Wanna know when this great nation became the world’s greatest debtor nation? Wanna know who was POTUS then? Wanna know when the most indictments were handed down to memebrs of a presidential administration in recent history? Wanna know which POTUS said, “We did not trade weapons to our enemies for hostages”( to fund a secret war) and later reveresed and said, “We indeed did trade weapons for hostages.” ? Wanna know who was POTUS when over 200 Marines were killed in a terrorist attack in Lebanon and were placed there because, “our presence will make a difference” if we placed them unarmed between warring factions while we shelled the hillside with a gunboat just off shore? Wanna know who was POTUS when the unemployed started paying taxes on their unemployment benefits? Would you agree that said POTUS deserves his likeness to be carved on Mt. Rushmore?

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Miller – Based on reports of progress out of Washington, that is likely to happen.
Result will be a contraction in the economy and maybe a resession.
Will be a shock to the economy but something we can withstand.

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Keep

If isn’t spoken they could not comprend math

Here’s and oldie but goodie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1kzd-bdv2w&NR=1&feature=endscreen

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Spare me the liberal drivel, the problem is spending. If the entitlement president refuses meaningful cuts to go along with revenue increases then let’s go over the cliff. Why all the talk about tax increases when all the reporting and opinions should be about reducing spending in a meaningful, thoughtful way. The tax increases are a drop in the bucket compared to the spending cuts no one on the left wants to touch…..inmates are truly in charge of the asylum now…

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Obama recently met with a large number of middle class families and gave a speech.

Republicans, not to be outdone, met with a number of Big Business execs and gave speeches.

Both these events were publicized.

I honestly don’t know how much clearer the Republicans can make it as to who it is they truly care about.

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Spare me the liberal drivel, the problem is spending

Conned code for “I don’t need facts or reason”

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Interesting chart Jay. And from y reading of it, those “evil rich” making above 250k pay 38% and 42% in taxes, whereas the middle class, let’s say 75k to 200k, pay from 30-34% in taxes. Must admit I’m a bit confused now. I thought the big push the pOTUS and the Dems were making about letting Bush tax cuts expire on anyone making above 250k was that those individuals don’t pay their fair “proportional” share in taxes. Looking at your chart, I see a nice, progressive tax structure that increases along with income. Guess what the libs are really screaming about is they just want the “evil rich” to be cash cows for all the entitlement spending. If this chart is accurate, then I think the real problem is how we spend tax revenues.
Ok everyone, pile on now.

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Get Realistic

How long did the tax cuts, wars and the offshoring of jobs go on before ANYONE take notice?

The last 4 years of Clinton and the 8 years of Bush have decimated the manufacturing jobs in the USA and you expect it to be fixed in 4 years without any pain?

Until Congress and the Senate AND the President start to work toward a COMMON GOAL.

We will still be pissing into the wind.

But it is Congress (lead by Boehnor) that is saying NO DEALS (just like last time)

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Keep….facts are facts but you keep living in fairy land, wait….a magic unicorn is just outside your door. Jump on and you can ride to entitlement land, it will be a short ride though as we are living in it..

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Reagan and Bush 41 had to raise taxes, not because the tax cuts failed to raise revenue, but because the Dems never came through with the spending cuts they promised. Look what happened when Clinton lowered capital gains taxes, money rolled in, but you can’t use that as an excuse to spend more each year. As long as you continue to spend more and more each year, you will always be looking for more and more revenue, just like ole Barry is now.

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Doggone/GA

Why is it always the so-called “conservatives” that call the rich evil?
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Because they hate their masters?

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A thriving growing economy does much much more to generate revenue for the Gov than any other source can come close to. You do not get a thriving growing economy by raising taxes, unless there is something unusual going on in the economy, like the dot.com bubble during the Clinton years.

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No Common Sense

All I hear from Obama is tax and more taxes. I agree Congress should be driving the discussion much better than they are. I also agree that the debt did not just start under Obama but he has spend more and added to the debt in an unprecedented fashion. Please stop living in the past and who did what and when, the debt is a massive issue that must be dealt with now. Simply raising taxes on successful people to appease the liberal base does nothing to solve the long term problem…

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Undertaxed Americans is a ridiculous idea.

How much would be enough Jay? Is it more important to fund the endless demands of the state or the needs of the people who actually make the money?

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Unicorns are only available for liberals in entitlement land, they do not exist for conservatives. To be honest, it would be nice to live in a delusional state where money grows on trees and everything is free…how is the weather there Keepie?

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Common, agree they are hoarding cash but why do you think that is….I do not accept “just greedy and evil” as the answer…..

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Get, I am sure your unicorn is real to you…. and the GOP tells you those pellets are skittles and you believe them. Tell us more about how tax cuts and job creators make those skittles.

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Get Real – 11:57

Obama’s speech was to a group of middle-class families.

Republican’s speeches were to a group of Big Businessmen.

Take off your blinders.

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Oh Daddy Jay….please tell me the story about the great Obama in the sky how made all the world problems disappear and cured all our ills. Also, Daddy Jay can you please pass the crack pipe when you are done so I can join you in La La land, I hear it is a ver special place. Do I have to click my heels 3 times….

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Indigo….no blinders at all; I understand the optics you mention are good for Obama and bad for Republicans. My point is I believe Obama sympathy is artificial but he does make a great speech…

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Cons always talk about reducing spending, but never are specific on what they would cut.
And they want to cut taxes, but never say how low to cut them
Long on demagoguery’s, but short on specifics.

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If you cons did not want to get stuck with the debt, you should have implemented spending cuts to offset your tax cuts that you implemented in 2001 and 2003. Instead, you cons implemented spending hikes in addition to tax cuts with the hope that you would ultimately be able to point a finger at your own mess and proclaim that the only way to fix your own mess is to cut the federal government, except for the war machine. It’s not working, cons. You will pay your bills–not your children and grandchildren. Of course you will be free to whine while paying. That much you can have free of charge.

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Oscar….agreed, Congress should pride more detailed specifics regrading revenue increases as well as spending cuts. They do not do a very good job of driving the discussion….

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As long as Obama wants to raise the tax rates on the rich so he can pay off peoples mortgage, forgivie student loans, have another Stimulus spending, and ask for authority to raise the debt limit at will, there won’t be any serious discussions on raising revenues.

If Moonbats were serious about avoiding the cliff, they would put Conservative bashing aside long enough to send Barry a message to get real.

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I’m always amazed to see people keep dragging up the JFK lowered taxes and tax income increased, so therefore, lowering taxes will increase tax income arguement. If you really believed that to be true, then you’d have to believe that cutting taxes to 0% would yield the maximum in taxes (which is just as dumb as saying 100% would work).

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US recovery has been slowed by Obama policies, Europe is experiencing the realities of socialized democracies…..

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Get Real

Please cite the Obama policies that have slowed the US economy

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ad

the environment, child labor laws, etc. kinda preclude that

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JR

So you are saying you know someone who has the intent to break the law.

Have you reported it?

If not you are just as guilty.

I may need to call the IRS so they can send in the storm troopers on you.

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My oh my…. tax cheaters. Why I know that no one ever cheated on their taxes before Obama was elected.

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JR

why do I think that won’t be the first time

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To those who are wanting to cheat on their taxes, how do you know that there isn’t anyone from the IRS who posts on this blog.

They can find out who you are.

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Get Real

Have a great round

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larry, you know they never watch this blog…the IRS and FBI always monitor Kyle’s. That’s where the real loons reside…they just drop by here.

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Yes, we realize the 47% that are on government entitlement/assistance/welfare pay taxes such as sales tax, gas tax etc…WE ALL PAY THOSE TAXES AND THERE’S NO WAY NOT TO. What they don’t pay is income tax, property tax since most are renters or living in government housing.
53% cannot continue to pay for the other 47% AND support a government that does not know how to say ‘no’ to spending programs.

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Wilbur: “Obama ran on a “balanced approach:” to fixing the deficit and passing the fiscal cliff but Obama and his leftist toadies like Bookman now only want MO’ Taxes. Can you say liar?”

Are you delusional? What the hell are you even talking about? If there was a single policy objective that was prominent throughout the Obama campaign it was that there had to be “balance” and that “balance” meant raising to marginal tax rates! It was never anything less than completely out in front the entire time.

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Conservative values are really very simple. Lower my taxes and raise everyone else’s. And cut out welfare to poor people.

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Good piece on corporate welfare waste in the New York Times today.

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The New York Times have stepped up their game.

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Here’s a couple of decent apps for seeing what cuts you would make in spending or tax increases you’d opt for.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/13/weekinreview/deficits-graphic.html

http://crfb.org/stabilizethedebt/

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Interesting that I’ve seldom seen any of the left wing posters ever comment on the governments mismanagement of taxpayer dollars or governments failures to spend within budgeted guidelines or in the case of this administration to fail at crafting an acceptable budget at all. All they talk about is the need for more taxation and typically the call from most on the left is more taxation on higher income earners.Now both parties are guilty of mismanaging and misappropriating taxpayer dollars but the left only points their fingers at Republicans and then quickly return to the demand that the top income tax brackets that pay most of the federal income tax revenue anyway pay even more. They call that “paying a fair share”

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No doubt about it. We should just tax our way into prosperity.

And in other news the crimson tide will be going for a 3rd national title in 4 years today against the dawgs. Good luck to the dawgs but this one is like David vs Goliath. Except Goliath wins this time.

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How Much – you can’t add your tax rates on everything and think that comes up with your overall tax rate. You’re not taxed on what you spend on property tax (assuming you itemize). Being self employed, you’re not taxed on half of your ss and medicare contributions. You (or, at least most people) can’t pay sales tax on their entire income, unless they somehow spend their entire income (including what they’re paying in taxes). Plus, I’ve heard many self employed people laugh about the inflated expense deductions they take on their taxes, although I’m sure many don’t cheat. You could be paying a lot in taxes, but, as the chart at the beginning of this article shows, it ain’t 67%.

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The median net worth of American households has dropped to a 43-year low as the lower and middle classes appear poorer and less stable than they have been since 1969.

According to a recent study by New York University economics professor Edward N. Wolff, median net worth is at the decades-low figure of $57,000 (in 2010 dollars). And as the numbers in his study reflect, the situation only appears worse when all the statistics are taken as a whole.

So how’s that hope and changey thing working out for ya? Just remember. You voted for it!

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RT

Right you are and so NOT Rightwing

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“You mean right before the biggest recession in 80 years hit?”

I woulda thought Jay woulda been alive during the Carter era of 21% interest rates and STAGFLATION.

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Only a liberal would argue that government taking 20% to 42% of the money you make is not an abuse of taxing authority. That’s 2-4 dollars of every 10 dollars you earn. That means when you make 10 you get to keep 6-8, think about it folks.

Make 1000 they take 200 to 400. Jay says that’s not to much. That money would make my credit card payment very month, buy 2-6 bags of groceries, pay my electric bill or gas my car for a month.

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sink
**They think that every dollar a rich person has means that some loser has a dollar less.**

Your words, your thoughts, mainly it’s just because they can afford it…

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Thulsa – that decline in net worth is due to the Wall Street banker’s recession’s effect on home values. For most people, their home was their biggest asset. Hope and Change has brought back the stock market and homes are beginning to increase too. I’ll take sensible rates of increase this time – not those generated by the profits motive from collateralized debt obligations backed up with credit default swaps.

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Mama says – If you’re making over $250K per year and can’t pay your credit card bills or buy groceries, I think you need to take a class in responsible spending.

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“An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.”

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getalife:

Ever had leeches on you? I have ……… lots of them.

Creepy.

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scout,

Yes, my exes.

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Common Sense isn’t
very Common:

I can’t judge you by what you “meant” …….. only what you said.

Have a nice day.

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Face it scout,

You are the 47%.

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WOW

And here all along I thought making $50 per hour was better than living off the dole?

Gee I guess I need a new accountant.

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scout,

Yet, you self destructed and voted for mitt that hates the 47%.

Sad.

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Michael

Instead of raising tax rates maybe we ought to institute a fear tax on the wealthy who seem to be sooooo afraid of Obama

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get

whenever you say Rush in a sentence you make all the cons turn to FOX

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I employed the services of an independent business man yesterday. He voiced his disgust with the taxes he already pays and the current discussions. His answer – cheat. He says going forward he intends to cheat on his taxes. I expect he will be joined by milliions who in the past tried to be at least comfortably honest on their tax returns.

I hear there’s a new do-it-yourself book out entitled “Tax Cheating for Romneys,” that contains step-by-step instructions on how to set up a Swiss bank account and how to set up a chritable trust fund that makes you the charity, etc. I suspect it will be a big hit amongst the sMitten.

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Poor Reagan had it so hard he even had to resort to raising taxes.

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Jay

December 1st, 2012
11:13 am

Jay

It my data is actually sound.. You have fallen into the Keynsian trap..like the sheep that you are. Let me give you a little Keynesian quote:

“..the weakness of the inducement of to invest has been at all times the key to the economic problem..” true today as it was then.

I can also make an arguement that the middle class has enjoyed a boom period over the last 30 years..up to this recession. Reduced tax rates under JFK, Reagan and Clinton all increased taxes collected from the “rich”…for example per the the Reagan tax cuts from top rate of 70 to 50% and then down to 28 % in 1986, so the tax rate basically fell in half…tax reciepts doubled from 517 bil in 1981 to 1.03- billion in 1990. Since the late 70’s even as taxes fell by half, tax donations grew rapidly from the top 10% of total reciepts from 49% to 86%.

You would do well when discussing economics to understand that neither traditional GOP or DEM econom-gods THEORIES can address the issues of today. Your holy grail is to soak the rich. go to it..it won’t solve anything…history tells us that anytime tax reciepts of the rich increased, the spenders in DC simply used the windfall to leverage more spending.

You should stick to your other sheepish, toe licking traditional all or none DEM positions….you can’t have a remote clue Jay if you are so narrowminded as to take the DEM talking points and simply support amusing backup without regard for your own study of all theories and history from all approaches..

You are incapable of doing so…you blog is too predictable.. you take the talking points of DEMs…generally Fox News, soaking the rich, giving more money away and borrow and spend, now sophomoric attempts as economics, and try to bash others with biased data…it’s all biased and neither side has a corner on that particular market..

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TD

Have you expanded your workforce with your tax cuts over the last TEN years?

If so great. You are one of the good guys.

If not WHY not?

Lack of demand?

Regulation is not all about imposing rules for no reasons on business. It’s about accountability.

You want the poor to be accountable why not business?

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** the conditions for the resumption of economic growth were far more favorable under Obama than under Reagan**

Not intended to be a factual statement.

We are still a good two or three years away from the culmination of the housing bust. It’s a real problem, most of the houses are still underwater, it will be a slow process.

0311

That test story was ludicrous, you and your socialism bogeyman, it’s really quite comical…

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Why do I never get a lunatic liberal fringy to discuss JFK’s supply side philosophy and success as well as his pitch about what can you do for your country…those on the left are most definitely interested in sticking with economic dogma..one size fits all, and is only asking what our government, who spends 30% more that it takes in…can do for you..

You and the right when sticking to such sheepish dogma all or nothing, are like little children argueing over who is gonna get the candy…the proposed tax cuts are rubbish…we definitely should go over the cliff…

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Whine, whine, whine. The Cliff is coming and all taxes are going up. Get used to it. The voters spoke and chose divided government. There will be no deal because both sides are arrogant asses. The across the board spending cuts will be healthy for this country. Time to spend less than we take in. The leeches will just have to tighten their belts. We need a national sales tax too. No more stimulus spending that only serves as political pandering. The sky will not fall. This country will be just fine, and we’ll be on our way to actually paying down our debt. That’s a good thing.

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nero,

scout said you owe him an apology.

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Get,

How so?

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Stevie Ray

I am fine myself with going over the cliff.

I travel for my job and therefore have per diem.

BUT I am concerned about the working poor (I know it’s a hard concept for some) that bootstrap thingie.

When you have nothing to give what do you want to do take their roof? Take their food? I thought we were better than that?

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Mick,

Nope. Just more excuse making. When the stock market lost 20% in one day under Reagan did Americans just up and quit doing what they were doing and slow down spending and investment? Nope. Because just like home values the losses are on paper until you sell. The economy continued to rumble under Reagan. So that excuse about home values losing value doesn’t hold water.

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JAY

Your opinion today was flawed from the start…”according to the New York Times…” Let me guess, Krugman the former economist and turned political pundit….

“obama has done a pretty good job…” that’s well and good but he better be careful or he will be at the helm of a nosedive…. particularly if he messes too much and too quickly with cap gains and dividends…what evidence do you have available that any cuts will actually materialize?

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Question for conservatives: Your hero “W” lowered taxes to the lowest rate in 90 years.
Did unimaginable prosperity cover the land – which conservatives promised ?

No, we got the worst economy since the Great Depression.

So why not go back to the tax rates of the Clinton years when we had the best economy in US history?

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I guess reagan trusted and did not verify.

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Jay

Thulsa lives in unicorns and chicklets world

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We should compare our taxation to that of countries that actually exist, not to something from a Libertarian daydream.

Iceland and Ireland are the only two developed nations with a lower tax burden than our own.

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Common Sense isn’t very Common

December 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

I agree 110% with you on the working poor…my problem with the every growing entitlements is that no credible evidence suggests that a meaningful number of those born into low income households on entitlements ever moves up the ladder…you’d think with what we have spent over the last several decades, half of the recipients would be graduating from high school and greatly approved their lot..

Absolutely we need to provide efficient healthcare for all and make sure none starve…but the plain truth of the entitlement nation is that we are disincentivizing those in the programs to improve their lot..the DEMS have played on this forever..it is to their benefit that a growing number of folks remain suffocated by crappy entitlements…

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Bob

you need a better accountant

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Some just paot things that are not true.

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Get,

Now why does it not surprise me that you read the official leech rag? The Old Grey Lady isn’t as good as my two-ply Charmin.

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Stevie Ray

I don’t disagree. Where are those jobs that were promised by the tax cuts?

If I were a kid growing up in poverty these days. I would work my ass off to get an education. BUT at the end of that where did those promised jobs GO.

BOTH parties have failed in supplying a TRUE promise to young Americans.

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The BEST thing that can happen is that we go over the cliff albeit temporarily..this will be the only way our obscene by any measure situation that both parties created will be clear and on the table for all to see…more revenue….and there is as much evidence to suggest that raising taxes beyond a tipping point will actually reduce reveneu, it will get spend…the tax intake will remain 18 to 20% on average but the spending will remain 30% above that..

Erskine Bowles is the best strategy going..balanced and sensible.

I pray Obama gets everything he wants….we will see then where all these brilliant one size fits all “economists” like Jay get us…let’s go cliff diving..

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nero,

80 billion in wasted corporate welfare is not worthy of leeching?

How about the 2 trillion in Iraq?

You are slippin leecher.

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Common,

Don’t worry. Jay won’t ban you. You kiss up too much.

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Alright, now is the time for the Dawgs to beat the Tide.

LSU and Texas A&M showed you how to do it Dawgs.

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Have all of you forgotten about the AMT. It phases out deductions for the top 2%. So if you want to raise their rate why not give them all the deductions.

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I see it’s the same mumbo jumbo from the same people, all the way down to the Reagan worship…

So predictable.

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Why do I never get a lunatic liberal fringy to discuss JFK’s supply side philosophy and success as well as his pitch about what can you do for your country…

Maybe because cutting rates then with much fewer deductions is no comparison to cutting rates now when our tax code resembles swiss cheese.

Or it could be that nobody really wants to deal with it in the manner in which you approach it.

Who knows…

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Get,

I will give you kudos for being a fellow Dawg fan. See we have something in common.

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I’d feel better about paying more taxes if I knew it wouldn’t be wasted…it also be easier to swallow if the 47% could pay something…say 1%…a few hundred bucks?

So, you wanna tax granny’s Social Security?? Gonna tax that minimum wage earner a bit harder?? What about those who’s retirements come via untaxed retirement income, you gonna hit them with a tax too???

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Tax everybody. Share the pain. It’s character building.

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Brosephus™: “Browning America Since 1973″

December 1st, 2012
3:28 pm

Yeah, JFK raised a pile of money..resulting in a surplus. I’m with you about the tax code but as long as those lawyers et al in that business have cash to throw around, I’m not betting on anything meaningful..the system is completely dysfunctional so we get nothing but flawed results.

BTW, our discussion here is limited to tax policy, I’m by no means a Reagan, Clinton or Bush fan to say the least..I will say that as time goes by, I really appreciate Clintons legacy.

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Bro

Don’t worry on the beer.

Distributers here have Christmas Ale and Troegs.

The only downside is I had to buy a CASE of each.

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Common,

Oh now we’re talking about mothers too? You gonna fight me on the playground next? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Be careful. Jay might give you a gold star. He loves his little sycophants.

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BTW, our discussion here is limited to tax policy

Ok, fine. If you had a 12ft X 12ft block of steel and sponge sitting side by side, and you cut off a 3ft section of each, which cut would affect the weight the most?

That’s the difference between cutting taxes under JFK vs cutting taxes now. Tax policy is nowhere near the same, and tax cuts don’t work the same anymore. Tax cuts then may have had an effect on revenues and such. Nowadays, the only thing that tax cuts do is concentrate wealth in the hands of those already holding the most of it.

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Get,

Welcome aboard. My best friend is a Tiger fan, so you can slide on that.

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Republicans are hanging tough to their pre-election political dogmas. Obama’s re-election doesn’t seem to have had any effect on their at all costs protection of the rich. This means that:

1. We will all go over the cliff together. Then, the Republicans will blame Obama and the now minority con voters will believe it.

2. Or, a last minute deal will be thrown together which will be only slightly better than being over the cliff. And, of course, Republicans will blame Obama and the minority will believe it.

We may have to wait until the 2014 mid-term elections for Republicans to be taught still another electorial lesson. Will they then finally abandon their slavish loyality to Big Business?

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“I agree 110% with you on the working poor…my problem with the every growing entitlements is that no credible evidence suggests that a meaningful number of those born into low income households on entitlements ever moves up the ladder”

In the world of wolves, puppies born to high-ranking members of the pack end up as high-ranking members when they are adults. Puppies born to low-ranking members of the pack end up as low-ranking adults.

It’s hard to get our of the lowest economic levels when the odds are already stacked against you just by virtue of being born to a “low-ranking” member of society. And when you have “high-ranking” members working as hard as they can to KEEP YOU THERE.

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Bro

I will send Jay my email address and I will have to send a care package for our bro in combat LOL

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There are many solutions but politics is stopping them.

I don’t see politics getting out of the way on solutions so there will be no deal.

Americans missed the opportunity to fire them but will in 14.

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“My best friend is a Tiger fan”

Is your best friend a leech too?

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Because playground taunting of my mother is sooooo civil. Have another beer. Us obtuse and unedumacated simple folks wouldn’t want you smart fellers to get madder. My moms would be so mad if I comes home wif a new shiner. GO DAWGS!!!!

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Nope not that you don’t deserve it but I have started to disengage with the uninformed

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Doggone @ 3:42

Word!!!! I couldn’t have stated it better.

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Game time!! Catch you leeches on Monday. GOOOOOOOOOOOOO DAWGS!!! SIC ‘EM!!!! WOOF WOOF WOOF!!!!!!!!

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You gotta love Thulsa in his BS mode.

Yeah Jay. And I love your BS mode where you whine about a recession that largely happened under W’s watch. As you provided in your own graph a year ago or so the jobs losses had already bottomed out when O came into office and the economy was out of recession a mere 6 months later. And yet you whine and whine as if that W recession is why the economy sucks 3 1/2 years later. Your BS is nothing short of pathetic.

And in another 4 years of sluggish economic growth you’ll still be whining and trying to blame W for O’s failed presidency. You know it and I know it.

Alas I’m off to watch the tide roll. Good luck to the dawg fans. Should be a great game.

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I’d love to wax philosophical with y’all on taxes, leeches, and such, but it’s almost kickoff time. Time to go pull my 1L Paulaner mug out of the freezer and fill it up for the game….

ROLL TIDE!!!!

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“And when you have “high-ranking” members working as hard as they can to KEEP YOU THERE.”

Critical thinking FAIL and zero sum fallacy FAIL. Typical of the libs they think that if the wealthy prosper that its at the expense of someone else. That if 2 parties have an economic transaction that one party is necessarily better off and the other is necessarily worse off. Its that zero sum fallacy that the libs just can’t get out of their little noggins. And its sad.

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Common – 3:40

In all likelehood Nero is a rich kid being homeschooled by conservative parents. His dad is probably some CEO who constantly complains about “leeches”. Nero looks foward to working for daddy in some cushy job. He will get a big salary and yak on the phone all day while his daddy’s other employees are worked into the ground.

If you honestly think there’s any justice in this world, think again.

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Since I didn’t say that, there’s no need for me to defend it. Try addressing what *I* said, not what the little voices in your head claim I said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE

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Good start Dawgs.

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TaxPayer: It’s not working, cons. You will pay your bills–not your children and grandchildren. Of course you will be free to whine while paying. That much you can have free of charge.

I’m always amazed by the collective amount of “forgetfulness” that the Conned have. They forget that the 3 tiered republican chokehold on the US were the ones that did away with the Pay-As-You-Go program. When the Dems reimplemented it when they took over in 2008, the repugs cried long and hard for weeks. They also cried when the Dems said that they’d actually have to WORK too.

The House has voted to reinstate budget rules designed to curb the budget deficit.
The vote was 280-to-154 to reinstate the so-called “pay as you go” rule. It requires that any increase in entitlement spending or tax cut be somehow offset so as to not to increase the deficit hawks say the move is a good first step toward restoring fiscal discipline. But the changes could bedevil efforts to appease middle-class voters later.
The House has also approved a Democratic proposal that requires lawmakers to publicly disclose their pet projects, or “earmarks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16487187/ns/politics/t/day-two-house-passes-new-budget-rules/

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you oglethorpe graduate are so funny! Let’s get one thing straight! EVERYONE pays TAXES in the beginning. They are taken out of your check. At the end of the year, you get to include your deductions such as mortgage interest. If the libs take THAT out, the home building industry will COLLAPSE! There will be no incentive for anyone to own their own home. Second, the charities that people donate to, will go under if charitable donations are taken away. YES, you church goers, your pastor who brainwashes you every week into thinking what the church wants you to think will go under as donations dwindle to nothing! The way to eliminate the deficit is to have more people paying payroll tax by giving them jobs AND cut the entitlement spending and giving money to african war lords, the king family, the paleterrorists and cutting out projects such as seeing how a musician improvises or how ants colonize on a deserted island or wasting it on solar panel companies! Obama and the libs need to start taxing churches! Now, if lady gaga and the springsteen who live over sees want to give more money- just write it out to the US Treasury Dept. No one is stopping you! but wait! where are they when it comes to write the check? They are off in a foreign land. Ohhh- they don’t list a US Residence, it is in Europe.How convenient. BTW, why aren’t the King’s paying their fair share with all the papers that they’ve sold? Are they exempt under the Obama rule? So before you libs starting saying “Pay your fair share,” we of the PROFITABLE PARTY say to you “Where are YOUR donations/deductions to Charities?” Proof Positive- the libs are some of the cheapest when it comes to donations. See Reed and Pelosi. Gee- wonder who obama gives to-CAIR? Ciao Belas!

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Great defensive game.

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Well, and a cheery afternoon/evening to you all…

I see the kvetch of the day is taxes. Let’s get real, we all pay as little as we can bet by with, rich and poor alike. Want more taxes, raise the income and standard of living so’s there’s more to tax…

DDR

Left you a song last p.m.

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Hiya Common!! Watching the game………not impressed with either of them. Probably LESS impressed by “Bamma”; they should’ve been manhandling those lowly DemDawgs by now. I may loose $20 on this dumb game………….

Thanks josef! I’ll go and look for it now.

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I haven’t seen surgery like that since mrsstsimons residency.

My compliments to the chef/host

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Heck yeah, tax us more. There’s no telling how many more Solyndras the Pres. has up his sleeve.

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“Congress has been raiding SSN funds for 3 decades — payments now into the system are not funding tomorrow’s retirees anymore”

They have not “raided” SSN. The money has been borrowed, via the same kind of bonds that are so attractive to the Chinese when they “buy” our national debt. It’s no different from the bank loaning out your savings in the form of a home loan to someone else. They haven’t raided your savings, they have invested them.

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getalife

What is this, the geriatrics tour season?

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getalife

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paul clownman must have done that study. It is flawed and false. In numbers alone they are now more than double the taxes not even including the voluntary tax of the lottery.

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Looks like the refs are Alabama fans.

saban screwed up on time outs.

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I agree completely, ” Any honest analysis of our current financial situation must account for this basic, fundamental fact. By comparison with other major industrial countries, and by comparison with our own history, we are undertaxed not overtaxed.”

In order to balance the budgets (you have to include state and local budgets in this too), we must increase tax revenues (since we are collectively unwilling to reduce the size of government).

Using the data from table Jay has provided us and the revenue/spending data from usdebtclock.org, we would need to increase total revenues by 25.8% to offset total government spending in this country. If this burden were to be applied “fairly” across the entire income spectrum, we end up with the following effective tax rates by income bracket:

0-25K: 24% vs. 20% in 1980
25-50K: 30% vs. 26% in 1980
50-75K: 35% vs. 30% in 1980
75-100K: 38% vs. 33% in 1980
100-125K: 40% vs. 35% in 1980
125-150K: 42% vs. 36% in 1980
150-200K: 43% vs. 38% in 1980
200-350K: 48% vs. 43% in 1980
350K+: 53% vs. 49% in 1980

Again, since we are unwilling/unable to address spending, we must increase ALL revenue streams by this amount (25.8%). I’m okay with that.

We should start by letting ALL of the tax cuts of the last 11+ years expire (Bush’s and Obama’s).

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The Pres. gets an honorary Doctorate from FSU! The “Free Stuff University”.

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Jay, has revenue to the federal govt not grown over the last couple years? By over 100b or so per year? How much more do they need? Also, if we tax the rich we get about 80b/year in additional revenue; what about the other 900b of deficit we have? Maybe I need a new calculator but that still seems to be a big problem; what’s the answer Jay?

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Reagan wasn’t as bad as some on the left say but surely not the godend touted by the right.

They cry like babies and blame Democrats for what he didn’t get done, yet he had the Senate for 6 yrs.

Are they crying about Republicans now? Don’t they control the House, which was the same deal as Obama has with Dem Senate and Repub House.

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Orange

Time for you to strive to be better and not bitter…

That one letter difference seems to be a stumbling block for you

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Jay, has revenue to the federal govt not grown over the last couple years? By over 100b or so per year?

What time period are you talking about? Fed receipts are 15% of GDP for 2011. By comparison, Reagan’s highest percentage to GDP was 1981, his first year, at 19.6%. He never reached that amount again. Clinton’s highest percentage to GDP was 20.6% in 2000, his last year. When you look at the actual totals over the past few years, it’s not like the government is rolling in dough. However, tell your rhetoric feeders to keep up the good job. You’re a great regurgiator. You even got the tax the rich line in. They should give you a gold star for that one.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

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Exactly. If it was just lower taxes that drive tax revenue, why is there little difference when comparing it against GDP over the last 30 to 40 yrs?

Seems the percentage increases should match the rhetoric.

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an old fashioned 2 arm block would have sent murray into the cheap seats…and the landing would have caused just as much damage.

alabama too deep, too strong. murray too short to find his receivers if no lanes exist. hope his brain not to rattled, would like to see high quality play for 2d half.

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Bookman doesn’t mention the EITC. Most of the social security paid by low-income W-2 earners is repaid as a refund.

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Jay,

Comparison of tax rates around the world is difficult and somewhat subjective. Tax laws in most countries are extremely complex but overall the effective US rates are higher than other G-20 nations. Why? (a) although many nations like Switzerland and Austria may have higher income tax rates few pay them and there is no penalty if you don’t. In the US if you do not pay your taxes the IRS can place a bounty on your head and a whistle blower can collect 10% for turning you in. As an example, in Switzerland nothing would happen to a tax protester even if you took out a full page ad. They don’t even have an agency similar to the IRS, (b) plus, you will get a lot more for your taxes in countries like Switzerland and Austria. (c) the US is the ONLY country in the world that taxes its citizens on WORLDWIDE income. So, it does not matter that you never set foot on US soil you still owe taxes if you are a citizen, (d) US citizens also pay state income taxes, local taxes plus payroll, property, sales, imports, gasoline, estates and gifts, dividends, plus the upcoming Obamacare taxes unlike other countries.

The economic policies of thirty years ago amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months. During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.

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From 86 to 88 what were the capital gain rates?

Hint: Did the increase from the previous level decrease investment and job creation?

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jhm,

The 80 billion is a start not the total solution.

Do you even bother to listen to our President?

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Clem, what is the issue with fee for service dr’s? Are we gonna try to outlaw that? Sure wouldn’t be fair if someone could actually pay out of pocket for a service they needed would it!

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How bout them dawgs!

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When tax rates were high, taxpayers were compensated with more deductions, exemptions, and loopholes. When they were removed through tax reform in the Eighties, the rate went down. This is the same crap as Krugman’s blog about high earners paying 91% in the 50’s. They also LOTS of deductions, exemptions…and MANY loopholes were in the law.

Be honest for crying out loud.

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clem – 5:55

Their dogmas were rejected in the last election. Unfortunately, they act as though nothing has happened and still keep peddling the same old pro Big Business mantra.

I’m guessing a landslide victory for Democrats in the 2014 mid-terms will bring them to the real facts of political life.

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josef, i keep trying to slow down, i’m gonna turn down work next year
(for the first time since Little Nero with a Cowboy Hat).
But judging by the posts here you can see I’m always gonna have work.

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Yes they are….. Bama O line much better than Dawgs 5 Line

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DDR

I’d almost forgotten the old blame it on Bush excuse.

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Please explain O12 how someone who was a director of the Energy Department’s loan programs said he likely would have backed the controversial restructuring of the now-bankrupt solar company Solyndra’s federal loan package a “blame it on bush excuse?”

Inquiring minds and all………….

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Goodness gracious, I hate a sore winner. UGA back in front!

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Clem, not slow at all just misunderstood your post. You said something had to be done about fee for service. The way I see it is less and less dr’s will be accepting Medicare patients because of the cuts coming to their fees. I happen to be in that industry and see it first hand. We will have a dr shortage and a big time Medicare dr’s shortage coming in the next 3-5 years if this ACA is implemented the way it stands.

PS- GA is toast if they can’t stops the friggin run!

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Orange

I don’t hate anyone, but that is your choice.

However, I dislike whiners and you are one to do just that

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Well you surely have not forgot to whine, especially since the election

I want to whine about the price of gasoline. Ever since the election, when it peaked at $6 a gallon, my one box a month allotment of Obamaphones isn’t enough to fill my tank. I’m gonna need two boxes to sell instead of one.

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Shannon, yes, surely there were loopholes, but not as many as you think, I’m sure.

But the primary importance of the high rates was the disciplining signal (relatively speaking) that it sent to capital.

What we have now is all the discipline on labor and virtually none on capital. And that’s why we’re seeing our economies essentially hollowed out and rendered in large part cesspits of financial speculation.,

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jmh if in that industry you gotta realize the per capita costs for our country are really high given outcomes. at least that is what i read and seems prevalent consensus. chronic problems are 13% of population which cause almost 75% of costs per some. couple that with end of life costs….you guys gotta come up with something as our nation’s lifestyles don’t seem to be that health conscious.

bama has more depth….we need our offensive line to help as bama likely will drive for score with good field position….

all in all uga playing a very respecatable game.

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“my one box a month allotment of Obamaphones isn’t enough to fill my tank. I’m gonna need two boxes to sell instead of one.”

Just get it from your Mom like you’ve been doing.

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He ne ha

You’re in the Leech Elite of the Plantation Liberals…

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Just get it from your Mom like you’ve been doing.

Nope, I keep telling you I have to sell my Obamaphone.

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Game over.

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Totally off topic, but Oh so relevant, to me………………………

You guys noticed that ever since the election those:

And I’m A Mormon!!!

Commercials aren’t showing anymore? I wonder, no couldn’t be……….but i wonder, if those commercials were just the “set up” to introduce Mormonism to the public for Mitt?

Naw……………….that would be so………….calculating……

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anybody on the track team standing on uga’s sideline if they force the punt. mitchell will be double teamed

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I don’t mind if Jay’s taxes go up, but why does he want mine to go up? Oh, he doesn’t want me to save for a down payment on a house, or to save for retirement, or to help pay for my kids education, or to have an emergency fund to pay for a car when my ten year old car breaks. He wants me to live on credit card debt, live in an apartment, retire on social security, and have my kids pile up a mountain of student loan debt that they will never get out from under. Why don’t we all just go ahead and give all our money to the government and have the government give us housing and food and medical care, like in a prison.

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Just following the latest memo, eh?

Well DUH!

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hook and ladder dammit

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ball hit the ground

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I keep telling you I have to sell my Obamaphone.

Go to Whole Foods — they have a special on buying Obamaphones and of selling dead people’s voter’s registration and ID cards……….

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Kamchak- Did i miss some other brilliant idea of his?

Well, let’s go to the instant replay, shall we?

JMH

Getalife- listen to Obama? You have to be joking.

By your own admission, I’d say that it’s painfully obvious that you did.

Maybe you should pay attention in class, sport.

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Congrats to Alabama going for a repeat.

Beat those Catholics.

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ROLL TIDE $#(*&$#^#!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I’m blaming this loss on Bush!

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JHM: Raising the upper income taxes will only raise about 80b a year. Not talking points just plain old facts. Tough to argue with that huh!!

Well damn, $80B a year is much more than the GOP’s idea of hitting federal workers for $75B over 10 years. Argue with that fact.

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Darn! UGA loses

Are you surprised? I’m surprised that YOU’RE surprised!!

Bro — Booo!! Booo!! I’m glad, if an SEC team is going to go to the Nationals — i feel it HAS TO BE Bamma this year; but I .
HATE the fact that those brain dead BAmmers are going;

Wait till next year!!! Go Florida!! Go South CArolina!! Go Auburn!!!

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I bet Notre Dame wanted DemDawgs to win!!!

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DDR

why do ypu resent the best of the SEC

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Bro- Tax receipts were up 10-11 & 11-12; that’s the period I’m talking about. Just imagine if people were actually finding good paying jobs; it would be even better.

Also Federal workers are paid more on average than their private sector counterparts to start with; I can back that up with some concrete numbers if you would like but you know it’s true so don’t start whining and call me a liar.

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You know, you really don’t have to listen to WSB to know what Limpballs, Fannity, Borks, are saying! Just read the Con comments on this blog…

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Georgia couldn’t defend against the run. It was pathetic to watch such an inept defense in the second half as they looked tired and just gave up.

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Hang on everybody….Karl Rove has just proclaimed that the Bulldogs can still win this game!

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Mark Richt’s clock management cost us another game. Why not ‘clock’ the ball with 12 seconds left and run 2 plays? Pathetic.

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“Karl Rove has just proclaimed that the Bulldogs can still win this game!”

Obama proclaims that there should be point redistribution and Alabama should contribute their fair share.

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Our forefathers would be shooting by now…..

“Our forefathers” were incensed about being taxed without representation.

Hard to make that claim now.

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Kamchak your such a typical left wing dbag. You don’t have any facts to back up your argument so you act like a 3rd grader. Oh yeah I did remember one of his new ideas- more stimulus spending- since it worked so well the first time lets do it again. What a bunch of ignorant people we have in this country who voted for this clown. Don’t whine when you don’t get your .25/ hour raise at McDonald’s this year; your lucky to have a job.

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So Repuclicans only take money from large corporations? You are so stupid.

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Just imagine if people were actually finding good paying jobs; it would be even better.

Well, it’s not incumbent upon the government to hire people, is it? In that same time period, corporations reported record profits, the stock market doubled, but hiring was virtually nonexistent. Why fault the government for the lack of private sector hiring, when the government can not dictate it?

Also Federal workers are paid more on average than their private sector counterparts to start with; I can back that up with some concrete numbers if you would like but you know it’s true so don’t start whining and call me a liar.

That’s all based on who you compare. There’s no way to claim you’re a liar. For what you claim you can prove, I can prove the opposite. That’s the thing about facts and figures, they can be twisted and manipulated to prove whatever it is you wish to prove.

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Where did spellcheck go?

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Dammitt Kamchak!!!!! That 8:11 is getting you a warning. That’s the second unsportsmanlike conduct for you. You can’t lead with the helmet on a defenseless player like that.

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Fed workers have been denied COLA for 2+ years. The Pres. needs to give these people a heavy COLA as they are working for their money unlike a large percentage of people that just want to not work and collect free money from the Gov.

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liberal pariah, you’d think both saban and richt could hire a clock keeper/strategist. they both kinda blew it. murray should have spiked he’s in gd grad school. he had to make sure he got ball to end zone with no time, but his height cost uga another one.

would love to see recon stop lacey

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Kam @ 8:20

Guilty as charged….

That was a good game though. It turned out just about the way I thought it would.

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Oh yeah I did remember one of his new ideas- more stimulus spending- since it worked so well the first time lets do it again.

Ahhh, the stupidity of those who make claims that the economists have already disproven many times…..thy name is the GOPpers.

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jarvis jones looked a bit light tonight. he looked like a boy vs men size wise. speed not much of an asset if they are running right down your throat.

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Does shortening it to dbag keep you from being banned?

If you’re talking about a public persona, it’s game on. If you’re talking about another blogger, it will likely get you a yellow card. If you call that same blogger, delusional lickspittle, then you’re gonna get banned.

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That was a good game though. It turned out just about the way I thought it would.

Yeah, me too.

Fred has a good point, Richt doesn’t have it in him to win “The Game”.

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clem, as much as I’d like to make your wish come true the fact is Lacy’s a bit younger than me. In fact quite a bit younger than me.

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Common: I bet Notre Dame wanted anyone to win except for Bama

Word.

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When teams play through a season and get into a championship game and lose close the loss can’t be pinned on coaching. Richt didn’t lose this game.

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don’t think notre dame has enough team speed and their qb will have to be more stable.

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Kamchak- your mom says its past your bedtime and its her bedtime too- think she wants to take out her frustration over the GA loss on me! I’ll let u know how it goes- nighty nite!

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I don’t see Alabama losing to Notre Dame but of course in football anything can happen in any given game.

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@Get Real

December 1st, 2012
11:51 am

The president has been saying way back in 2008 raise taxes on everyone making above 250K back to the pre-Bush tax cut rate. Lower taxes on those making less than that. We are waiting on the Republicans to specify the cuts they want. They are stuck on “don’t raise taxes on anyone”, and they have yet to specify the cuts they want. The closest they have come is, “reform entitlements.” Please pay attention, Get Real.

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SoCo/Bro

Don’t get me wrong, as a general rule, I usually throw my support behind the team that is next in line to play the team that defeated mine, but I will give my full-throated support to Alabama in the National title game.

I really think y’all will dominate their punk asses.

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JMH

“Yo Mama” insults?

Really?

Shouldn’t you be doing your homework about what Obama said concerning this so called poutrage over fiscal cliffs?

And speaking of cliffs, Cliff’s notes are not acceptable.

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DDR

Why it gotta be the lil man???

Here’s one right back at cha’..

http://tinyurl.com/dxt74w8

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Sigh…….Not. That. Again.

Then. Don’t. Lead. With. Your. Chin.

I still loves ya, baby.

Besides, Vince Dooley came from Auburn.

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Jamvet must be beside himself, Nebraska is getting throttled by Whisky.

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Sounds like something that hookers charge extra for.

Or somebody that can’t handle their liquor.

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Jamvet must be beside himself, Nebraska is getting throttled by Whisky

With a rookie QB making his just his 3rd start, I’m shocked my Badgers are blowing them out….
Bring on them hillbillies..Al..

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Jay, time to send your diploma back to PSU and stop calling yourself a “journalist”. Just another in a long line of lying BS posts from you.

Please tell us how it’s statistically possible for the 47% who pay no taxes to now be paying less than they did whenever you choose. Complete effing BS lies, jay. Just dam…

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Well Kam……….

Why can’t you do right?

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“There’s your sign.”

Idiot…

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Yes dumbarse, we know everybody pays payroll, sales, and property taxes, but the intellectually astute of us know none of those tax rates are the subject of the tax the rich garbage your master is pushing. Bow to your master tool. I’m not playing your childish game.

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Yes dumbarse, we know everybody pays payroll, sales, and property taxes…

You really wanna go to the instant replay to verify whether or not you made that distinction, sport?

Because upon further review, you said, “the 47% who pay no taxes”.

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DDR, you are a spoken for woman, so this is as far as I can go when it come to flirtin’.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-gz-yddE6Q

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Divert and dodge, eh?

If by “divert and dodge” you mean hold your feet to the fire to what you actually said then yes Robert Brown from Gwinnett, divert and dodge.

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Hey lying sack, tell me, when Obama says the rich need to pay their fair share,!is he talking about payroll taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, or federal income taxes? Which one of those is he trying to increase by 10%?

Stay in the kiddy pool with your childish drivel tool.

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I bet Notre Dame is on suicide watch !

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“If by “divert and dodge” you mean hold your feet to the fire to what you actually said then yes ”

Translation… I know what people mean when they say 47% pay no taxes but I want to avoid the REAL conversation about that so I’m going to argue semantic issues about trivial BS and hope they don’t notice.

Sorry dude, homey ain’t playing that silly game.

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Oh Well Kam — If I can’t seduce you away from RB, at least I can make you happy in other ways…..

Enjoy!

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bet Notre Dame is on suicide watch !

Axshully, them Al hillbillys are Over-Rated

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Good game. Team that scored the most points won. Could have gone either way.
Bama has one heck of an offensive line. Wears you down and runs you over.

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Back from the tailgate, game and after game parties.
I think I am drunk.

Not an AL or UGA fan but love a good party.
Great game though – right up to the last pass…

I don’t generally make predictions, but I think AL beats ND: 41 – 17 in the BCS.

Congrats to UGA for a great season.

PS to RB:
You can either have your head up your arse or the Rush Talking points – but unless your rectum is the size of Gwinnett county, you don’t have room for both.

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For a change I actually agree with one of Jay’s comments – “Politicians buy votes just as easily by promising endless and repeated tax cuts as by promising new spending programs, and after some three decades of such policies, we are shocked to find ourselves increasingly in debt?” But what I would like to see some day is a dollar comparison of taxes paid from 20 years ago – rather than a percentage change.

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“We will not let fact checkers dictate our campaign”

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Yes dumbarse, we know everybody pays payroll, sales, and property taxes

What a dumbarse statement. People who’s income comes from dividends, carried interest, retirement pensions, and such do not pay payroll taxes as payroll taxes are only deducted from earned wages. Geez…

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Yes corbin, that’s pretty much the way I see it too…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7csvgL-G3E

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Students from the M. Agnes Jones Elementary school were shown on TV this morning decorating a Christmas tree at the governor’s mansion.

They were ALL black.

Well, so much for integration.

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I note that so many cry for spending cuts, JUST NOT ANY THAT AFFECT THEM!

BINGO!

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Yea, well the people clamoring for a tax increase aren’t exactly asking for tax increases on themselves either, are they? I think we should just jump off this fiscal cliff together and everybody actually shares in the pain a little instead of this “screw the other guy” mentality we’re approaching this with. There is no more “we” in this country.

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“Reagan. In 1980, the top 1% paid 19% of federal income taxes. In 2009, they paid 36.7%”

Now post the difference in how much of the country’s wealth they controlled in that time frame.

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A $250K family

December 2nd, 2012
9:09 am

The declining tax burden on the bottom half of income earners is reflected in the increased progressivity of the tax code since Reagan. In 1980, the top 1% paid 19% of federal income taxes. In 2009, they paid 36.7%. The top 5% went from paying 36.8% of the tax pie to 58.6%. The bottom 50% (mainly those near the 50% mark) paid 7% of all income taxes in 1980. Now they are responsible for just 2.25%.
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You use a far right wing nutcase site as “proof” of your failed talkshow/FOXBOT lies? Really?

Give it up already, you mindless sheep are a dying breed. Learn to think for yourself and educate yourself. It won’t hurt too much……..

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Fred, “Give it up already, you mindless sheep are a dying breed. Learn to think for yourself and educate yourself. ”

Somebody posts facts for you Fred, and your response is to accuse them of being “thoughts” produced by somebody else. Do you even know what a fact is, Fred? How about you dispute the facts presented if you disagree with them instead of your mindless attack of the poster with no referece to the facts presented?

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independent thinker, isn’t amazing most of republ bloggers here not even close to top 2%, yet they do their masters bidding (overpaid talk show hosts, talking heads and corporate execs(can you say carlyfiorina and bobnardellli)). boehner was totally bs on his revenues offered and knows it.

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