‘Overtaxed’ Americans a politically useful myth
Earlier this week, an analysis by The New York Times confirmed once more a conclusion posted repeatedly on this blog:
Contrary to the popular image of Americans as overtaxed to within an inch of our economic lives, citizens of this country in almost every economic group pay a significantly smaller share of their income in taxes — state, local and federal — than they did 30 years ago.
The sole exception:
“Lower-income households, however, saved little or nothing. Many pay no federal income taxes, but they do pay a range of other levies, like federal payroll taxes, state sales taxes and local property taxes. Only about half of taxpaying households with incomes below $25,000 paid less in 2010.”
(An interactive and much more extensive version of the chart above is available here.)
Any honest analysis of our current financial situation must account for this basic, fundamental fact. By comparison with other major industrial countries, and by comparison with our own history, we are undertaxed not overtaxed. Politicians buy votes just as easily by promising endless and repeated tax cuts as by promising new spending programs, and after some three decades of such policies, we are shocked to find ourselves increasingly in debt?
– Jay Bookman
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josef
December 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
getalife
What is this, the geriatrics tour season?
getalife
December 1st, 2012
5:25 pm
josef,
They usually come back when they are broke.
josef
December 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
getalife
Right over there
December 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
How funny that some will get all dreamy and will tout Reagan like he was the 13the disciple, bring up the last President and the same ones go into meltdown mode.
jays Brain
December 1st, 2012
5:38 pm
paul clownman must have done that study. It is flawed and false. In numbers alone they are now more than double the taxes not even including the voluntary tax of the lottery.
Right over there
December 1st, 2012
5:42 pm
Jays brain
Show where it is flawed or you just going to talk and not walk
getalife
December 1st, 2012
5:45 pm
Looks like the refs are Alabama fans.
saban screwed up on time outs.
Brosephus™: "Browning America Since 1973"
December 1st, 2012
5:45 pm
josef
I’ll peep it out at halftime.
Glenn
December 1st, 2012
5:46 pm
I agree completely, ” Any honest analysis of our current financial situation must account for this basic, fundamental fact. By comparison with other major industrial countries, and by comparison with our own history, we are undertaxed not overtaxed.”
In order to balance the budgets (you have to include state and local budgets in this too), we must increase tax revenues (since we are collectively unwilling to reduce the size of government).
Using the data from table Jay has provided us and the revenue/spending data from usdebtclock.org, we would need to increase total revenues by 25.8% to offset total government spending in this country. If this burden were to be applied “fairly” across the entire income spectrum, we end up with the following effective tax rates by income bracket:
0-25K: 24% vs. 20% in 1980
25-50K: 30% vs. 26% in 1980
50-75K: 35% vs. 30% in 1980
75-100K: 38% vs. 33% in 1980
100-125K: 40% vs. 35% in 1980
125-150K: 42% vs. 36% in 1980
150-200K: 43% vs. 38% in 1980
200-350K: 48% vs. 43% in 1980
350K+: 53% vs. 49% in 1980
Again, since we are unwilling/unable to address spending, we must increase ALL revenue streams by this amount (25.8%). I’m okay with that.
We should start by letting ALL of the tax cuts of the last 11+ years expire (Bush’s and Obama’s).
Brosephus™: "Browning America Since 1973"
December 1st, 2012
5:49 pm
How funny that some will get all dreamy and will tout Reagan like he was the 13the disciple, bring up the last President and the same ones go into meltdown mode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE
Orange12
December 1st, 2012
5:53 pm
The Pres. gets an honorary Doctorate from FSU! The “Free Stuff University”.
Brosephus™: "Browning America Since 1973"
December 1st, 2012
5:55 pm
josef
Re. NYT….
I just know you bookmarked that one for future reference.
JMH
December 1st, 2012
5:55 pm
Jay, has revenue to the federal govt not grown over the last couple years? By over 100b or so per year? How much more do they need? Also, if we tax the rich we get about 80b/year in additional revenue; what about the other 900b of deficit we have? Maybe I need a new calculator but that still seems to be a big problem; what’s the answer Jay?
clem
December 1st, 2012
5:55 pm
seems like most of the stuff the right is spouting here has been pretty much rejected last campaign. they are led around by all the right wing high priced radio and talking heads…..guess they are doing their bidding for them.
Right over there
December 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
Reagan wasn’t as bad as some on the left say but surely not the godend touted by the right.
They cry like babies and blame Democrats for what he didn’t get done, yet he had the Senate for 6 yrs.
Are they crying about Republicans now? Don’t they control the House, which was the same deal as Obama has with Dem Senate and Repub House.
Steve-USA
December 1st, 2012
6:01 pm
Murray should remember when you throw a pick and it is being returned you are no longer a QB but a defender and you are fair game to get your clock cleaned.
Roll Tide.
Right over there
December 1st, 2012
6:03 pm
Orange
Time for you to strive to be better and not bitter…
That one letter difference seems to be a stumbling block for you
clem
December 1st, 2012
6:04 pm
yea, but it was a cheap shot, or could that big dude not get down low?
their helmets did meet.
Brosephus™: "Browning America Since 1973"
December 1st, 2012
6:04 pm
Jay, has revenue to the federal govt not grown over the last couple years? By over 100b or so per year?
What time period are you talking about? Fed receipts are 15% of GDP for 2011. By comparison, Reagan’s highest percentage to GDP was 1981, his first year, at 19.6%. He never reached that amount again. Clinton’s highest percentage to GDP was 20.6% in 2000, his last year. When you look at the actual totals over the past few years, it’s not like the government is rolling in dough. However, tell your rhetoric feeders to keep up the good job. You’re a great regurgiator. You even got the tax the rich line in. They should give you a gold star for that one.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200
Steve-USA
December 1st, 2012
6:07 pm
clem – “yea, but it was a cheap shot, or could that big dude not get down low?”
I assume it is tough to bend quickly when your waist and neck are that big.
Roll Tide.
Right over there
December 1st, 2012
6:09 pm
Exactly. If it was just lower taxes that drive tax revenue, why is there little difference when comparing it against GDP over the last 30 to 40 yrs?
Seems the percentage increases should match the rhetoric.
Steve-USA
December 1st, 2012
6:11 pm
So….if one of your players Murders his girlfriend and then kills himself do you honor him before the game????
Just wondering.
clem
December 1st, 2012
6:14 pm
an old fashioned 2 arm block would have sent murray into the cheap seats…and the landing would have caused just as much damage.
alabama too deep, too strong. murray too short to find his receivers if no lanes exist. hope his brain not to rattled, would like to see high quality play for 2d half.
clem
December 1st, 2012
6:16 pm
medical costs increases and growing older population are main drivers of federal budget so holding to 19-20% is wishful thinking. gonna have to take on doctors over fee for service.
Jack ®
December 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
Bookman doesn’t mention the EITC. Most of the social security paid by low-income W-2 earners is repaid as a refund.
Orange12
December 1st, 2012
6:23 pm
“gonna have to take on doctors over fee for service.”
Good point Clem. With doctors it really is “your money or your life.”
KC
December 1st, 2012
6:24 pm
Jay,
Comparison of tax rates around the world is difficult and somewhat subjective. Tax laws in most countries are extremely complex but overall the effective US rates are higher than other G-20 nations. Why? (a) although many nations like Switzerland and Austria may have higher income tax rates few pay them and there is no penalty if you don’t. In the US if you do not pay your taxes the IRS can place a bounty on your head and a whistle blower can collect 10% for turning you in. As an example, in Switzerland nothing would happen to a tax protester even if you took out a full page ad. They don’t even have an agency similar to the IRS, (b) plus, you will get a lot more for your taxes in countries like Switzerland and Austria. (c) the US is the ONLY country in the world that taxes its citizens on WORLDWIDE income. So, it does not matter that you never set foot on US soil you still owe taxes if you are a citizen, (d) US citizens also pay state income taxes, local taxes plus payroll, property, sales, imports, gasoline, estates and gifts, dividends, plus the upcoming Obamacare taxes unlike other countries.
The economic policies of thirty years ago amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months. During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.
JMH
December 1st, 2012
6:26 pm
Bro- what did I say there that was incorrect? Federal tax receipts are up; can’t dispute that. What about the other question? What else do the dems want to do to fix this deficit problem we have? Raising the upper income taxes will only raise about 80b a year. Not talking points just plain old facts. Tough to argue with that huh!!
Right over there
December 1st, 2012
6:27 pm
From 86 to 88 what were the capital gain rates?
Hint: Did the increase from the previous level decrease investment and job creation?
Wait a minute
December 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
Federal/State/Local Income taxes last year totaled about $2 trillion. Raise everyone’s rates by 10% (paid 30, now you pay 33) and most numbers on the chart would be “where they were” in 1980. We’d collect $200 billion. The federal deficit ALONE is in execess of $1 trillion (I do not know what % of $2 trillion if Fed alone but it would be most of the total. So let’s say $150 billion. Only leaves us $900 billion short of a balanced federal budget, so Republican calls for $4 of cuts for every $1 of additional taxes ARE NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. Need 6 to 1 plus. Please get over this myth that we can tax our way out of our annual deficit. We need to cut the size of the fed government by 1/3 NOW. End of story
getalife
December 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
jhm,
The 80 billion is a start not the total solution.
Do you even bother to listen to our President?
Welcome to the Occupation
December 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
Jay Bookman: “With inflation rampant, the Fed shut down the money supply, interest rates soared, inflation was wrung out of the system and the Fed was then free to restart lending and bring us out of the recession”
Yes and WHY was it “wrung out of the system”?
Because the Fed acted to demonstrate – for all world capitalist markets to see and understand crystal clear – that it was committed to defending the value of the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency, which meant primarily raising fighting inflation, and controlling the money supply, as the sole guiding principle of monetary policy, replacing once and for all the old Keynesian concern about seeking to reduce unemployment.
But what’s most important to understand about the “Volcker shock” – which was a shock dealt to a still ascendant labor much the same way that the attacks on Gaza last month were signals sent by Israel to make a definitive statement about who’s boss — episode is how crucial it was for capital to deliver a brutal salvo, a kick in the gut, to labor and begin sending a signal that a new regime was in effect, one where labor would be newly disciplined and capital would be restored to its proper primacy.
And on those terms, it has of course been phenomenally successful. Labor has been in steady decline ever since. And not just labor of course, wages and living standards for the non-wealthy with it.
So that’s a fuller accounting of the significance of what the Volcker recession was all about.
JMH
December 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
Clem, what is the issue with fee for service dr’s? Are we gonna try to outlaw that? Sure wouldn’t be fair if someone could actually pay out of pocket for a service they needed would it!
getalife
December 1st, 2012
6:38 pm
Whoa, Alabama is in trouble.
JMH
December 1st, 2012
6:39 pm
How bout them dawgs!
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
December 1st, 2012
6:42 pm
Thanks josef!! Saw your shout out with Nona Hendrix — you go boy! Not a lot of people know about her, she’s sort of like an “acquired taste”.
Good pick!
Angrily Watching this d##$%$% ball game — if DemDawgs makes it into the National Championship game, they’re going to embarrass and bring down the whole SEC mystique………..
Just saying……………
Shannon
December 1st, 2012
6:47 pm
When tax rates were high, taxpayers were compensated with more deductions, exemptions, and loopholes. When they were removed through tax reform in the Eighties, the rate went down. This is the same crap as Krugman’s blog about high earners paying 91% in the 50’s. They also LOTS of deductions, exemptions…and MANY loopholes were in the law.
Be honest for crying out loud.
Right over there
December 1st, 2012
6:51 pm
Shannon
US corporate effective rate is an avg of 12.5, yet the right claims that the US corporate rate is highest in world, which is nothing more than what in on paper.
Is that honest?
indigo
December 1st, 2012
6:53 pm
clem – 5:55
Their dogmas were rejected in the last election. Unfortunately, they act as though nothing has happened and still keep peddling the same old pro Big Business mantra.
I’m guessing a landslide victory for Democrats in the 2014 mid-terms will bring them to the real facts of political life.
getalife
December 1st, 2012
6:56 pm
Dawgs are in trouble.
St Simons - he-ne-ha BOOTAKOOK 2014
December 1st, 2012
6:57 pm
josef, i keep trying to slow down, i’m gonna turn down work next year
(for the first time since Little Nero with a Cowboy Hat).
But judging by the posts here you can see I’m always gonna have work.
clem
December 1st, 2012
6:57 pm
jhm, you can’t be that slow! we need some malpractice reform but we don’t need doctors overdoing things either. and it will be hard but paying for outcomes is way to go. and for patients to live healthier.
at least you are pulling for right team
Right over there
December 1st, 2012
6:58 pm
Yes they are….. Bama O line much better than Dawgs 5 Line
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
December 1st, 2012
7:00 pm
josef: DDR — What’s with that Minister of Propaganda…didn’t you get the memo? You’ve been nominated for Attorney General by the Delusional Lickspittle Plantation Liberal Party…though we could consider a dual portfolio…
I like being the Minister of Propaganda better, a la Goebbel and Rove …………better perks less work!
Orange12: There’s no telling how many more Solyndras the Pres. has up his sleeve.
According to the director of the Energy Department’s loan programs under former President George W. Bush said he likely would have backed the controversial restructuring of the now-bankrupt solar company Solyndra’s federal loan package, which has become a focal point for Republicans attacking the Obama administration’s handling of the financing.
Here’s the link: http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/185153-bush-era-loan-chief-probably-would-have-made-the-same-decision-on-solyndra
DogGone: The money has been borrowed, via the same kind of bonds that are so attractive to the Chinese when they “buy” our national debt. It’s no different from the bank loaning out your savings in the form of a home loan to someone else. They haven’t raided your savings, they have invested them
Well, I’m ready for a return on my investment………
Orange12
December 1st, 2012
7:04 pm
DDR
I’d almost forgotten the old blame it on Bush excuse.
Right over there
December 1st, 2012
7:06 pm
Well you surely have not forgot to whine, especially since the election
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
December 1st, 2012
7:09 pm
Please explain O12 how someone who was a director of the Energy Department’s loan programs said he likely would have backed the controversial restructuring of the now-bankrupt solar company Solyndra’s federal loan package a “blame it on bush excuse?”
Inquiring minds and all………….
Vinny
December 1st, 2012
7:11 pm
Well, Jay – if you think you are undertaxed, by all means you should pay more taxes.
PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE, DICKWAD!!
Orange12
December 1st, 2012
7:11 pm
Goodness gracious, I hate a sore winner. UGA back in front!
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
December 1st, 2012
7:11 pm
DemDawgs got another touchdown…………………………..
DAMN! There goes $20 bucks…………….
JMH
December 1st, 2012
7:13 pm
Clem, not slow at all just misunderstood your post. You said something had to be done about fee for service. The way I see it is less and less dr’s will be accepting Medicare patients because of the cuts coming to their fees. I happen to be in that industry and see it first hand. We will have a dr shortage and a big time Medicare dr’s shortage coming in the next 3-5 years if this ACA is implemented the way it stands.
PS- GA is toast if they can’t stops the friggin run!
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
December 1st, 2012
7:14 pm
Still a-waiting O12…………tick, tock, tick, tock…………….
Right over there
December 1st, 2012
7:14 pm
Orange
I don’t hate anyone, but that is your choice.
However, I dislike whiners and you are one to do just that
josef
December 1st, 2012
7:15 pm
DDR
Glad you liked the Hendrix…she’s definitely different…but I’m a long time fan…all the way back to the Bluebells…and the folks she’s worked with…amazing….
He ne ha
A member of the Leech Elite now, ‘ere ye?
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
December 1st, 2012
7:21 pm
Well you surely have not forgot to whine, especially since the election
I want to whine about the price of gasoline. Ever since the election, when it peaked at $6 a gallon, my one box a month allotment of Obamaphones isn’t enough to fill my tank. I’m gonna need two boxes to sell instead of one.
St Simons - he-ne-ha BOOTAKOOK 2014
December 1st, 2012
7:25 pm
josef, i can’t keep up, i thought i was on the liberal plantation.
but if i DO get to slow down, i earned every dam bit of it
Welcome to the Occupation
December 1st, 2012
7:26 pm
Shannon, yes, surely there were loopholes, but not as many as you think, I’m sure.
But the primary importance of the high rates was the disciplining signal (relatively speaking) that it sent to capital.
What we have now is all the discipline on labor and virtually none on capital. And that’s why we’re seeing our economies essentially hollowed out and rendered in large part cesspits of financial speculation.,
getalife
December 1st, 2012
7:28 pm
Dawgs needed that first down.
Alabama is in good shape to win this one.
clem
December 1st, 2012
7:29 pm
jmh if in that industry you gotta realize the per capita costs for our country are really high given outcomes. at least that is what i read and seems prevalent consensus. chronic problems are 13% of population which cause almost 75% of costs per some. couple that with end of life costs….you guys gotta come up with something as our nation’s lifestyles don’t seem to be that health conscious.
bama has more depth….we need our offensive line to help as bama likely will drive for score with good field position….
all in all uga playing a very respecatable game.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 1st, 2012
7:30 pm
In other words, Shannon, if you look at effective tax rates back in the 50s for the very highest brackets, they were still quite high.
Orange12
December 1st, 2012
7:30 pm
“my one box a month allotment of Obamaphones isn’t enough to fill my tank. I’m gonna need two boxes to sell instead of one.”
Just get it from your Mom like you’ve been doing.
clem
December 1st, 2012
7:31 pm
uga if they fall behind need the old hook and ladder ala pat hodgson which i think beat bama long time ago.
josef
December 1st, 2012
7:32 pm
He ne ha
You’re in the Leech Elite of the Plantation Liberals…
JMH
December 1st, 2012
7:33 pm
Getalife- listen to Obama? You have to be joking.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
December 1st, 2012
7:35 pm
Just get it from your Mom like you’ve been doing.
Nope, I keep telling you I have to sell my Obamaphone.
josef
December 1st, 2012
7:35 pm
JMH
If you don’t listen to him, then how the hell do you know what he’s talking about? Just following the latest memo, eh?
getalife
December 1st, 2012
7:38 pm
Game over.
getalife
December 1st, 2012
7:41 pm
jhm,
If you don’t listen to our President, you are ignorant of what is going to happen.
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
December 1st, 2012
7:42 pm
Totally off topic, but Oh so relevant, to me………………………
You guys noticed that ever since the election those:
And I’m A Mormon!!!
Commercials aren’t showing anymore? I wonder, no couldn’t be……….but i wonder, if those commercials were just the “set up” to introduce Mormonism to the public for Mitt?
Naw……………….that would be so………….calculating……
JMH
December 1st, 2012
7:43 pm
Josef- you must be on crack as well. What has Obama said lately that he didn’t say in the campaign? He’s still campaigning! He has no ideas other than tax the rich! What did I miss???
clem
December 1st, 2012
7:43 pm
anybody on the track team standing on uga’s sideline if they force the punt. mitchell will be double teamed
Blain
December 1st, 2012
7:43 pm
A dollar saved isn’t what it used to be.
$1.00 in 1980 had the same buying power as $2.94 in 2012.
Annual inflation over this period was 3.43%.
An observer
December 1st, 2012
7:44 pm
I don’t mind if Jay’s taxes go up, but why does he want mine to go up? Oh, he doesn’t want me to save for a down payment on a house, or to save for retirement, or to help pay for my kids education, or to have an emergency fund to pay for a car when my ten year old car breaks. He wants me to live on credit card debt, live in an apartment, retire on social security, and have my kids pile up a mountain of student loan debt that they will never get out from under. Why don’t we all just go ahead and give all our money to the government and have the government give us housing and food and medical care, like in a prison.
Orange12
December 1st, 2012
7:44 pm
1:16 for UGA. Can they do it?
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
December 1st, 2012
7:45 pm
Just following the latest memo, eh?
Well DUH!
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
December 1st, 2012
7:45 pm
He’s still campaigning! He has no ideas other than tax the rich!
There’s your sign.
clem
December 1st, 2012
7:47 pm
hook and ladder dammit
JMH
December 1st, 2012
7:47 pm
Kamchak- Did i miss some other brilliant idea of his?
clem
December 1st, 2012
7:48 pm
ball hit the ground
clem
December 1st, 2012
7:51 pm
they owe murray one since he got mugged in the first half
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
December 1st, 2012
7:51 pm
I keep telling you I have to sell my Obamaphone.
Go to Whole Foods — they have a special on buying Obamaphones and of selling dead people’s voter’s registration and ID cards……….
Josef
December 1st, 2012
7:53 pm
JHM
That on crack snipe tells me all I need to know about your mindset, but where did I say he had said “anything new?” I simply asked how do you know if you’re not listening?
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
December 1st, 2012
7:53 pm
Kamchak- Did i miss some other brilliant idea of his?
Well, let’s go to the instant replay, shall we?
JMH
December 1st, 2012
7:33 pm
Getalife- listen to Obama? You have to be joking.
By your own admission, I’d say that it’s painfully obvious that you did.
Maybe you should pay attention in class, sport.
Orange12
December 1st, 2012
7:54 pm
Darn! UGA loses.
getalife
December 1st, 2012
7:54 pm
Congrats to Alabama going for a repeat.
Beat those Catholics.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 1st, 2012
7:54 pm
Go Dawgs
WAIT they lost oh too bad
Brosephus™: "Browning America Since 1973"
December 1st, 2012
7:55 pm
ROLL TIDE $#(*&$#^#!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brosephus™: "Browning America Since 1973"
December 1st, 2012
7:59 pm
what did I say there that was incorrect? Federal tax receipts are up; can’t dispute that. What about the other question?
Dude, where did I say you were incorrect? I simply asked you what time period were you using. Get out of attack mode, read what I asked, and quit assuming what I asked. As to your other question, I don’t know what Dems are proposing, and I don’t care. We’ve already had budget cuts enacted twice without any revenue addressed other than digging into the pockets of federal workers. If there is no significant revenue added to the deal, I say let the automatic stuff enact itself.
Orange12
December 1st, 2012
7:59 pm
I’m blaming this loss on Bush!
JMH
December 1st, 2012
8:00 pm
Kamchak You still didn’t tell me what I missed when I wasn’t listening?
Brosephus™: "Browning America Since 1973"
December 1st, 2012
8:00 pm
JHM: Raising the upper income taxes will only raise about 80b a year. Not talking points just plain old facts. Tough to argue with that huh!!
Well damn, $80B a year is much more than the GOP’s idea of hitting federal workers for $75B over 10 years. Argue with that fact.
clem
December 1st, 2012
8:01 pm
uga should be ranked ahead of florida. saban said they did not play their best….right, think uga had something to do with that.
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
December 1st, 2012
8:01 pm
Darn! UGA loses
Are you surprised? I’m surprised that YOU’RE surprised!!
Bro — Booo!! Booo!! I’m glad, if an SEC team is going to go to the Nationals — i feel it HAS TO BE Bamma this year; but I .
HATE the fact that those brain dead BAmmers are going;
Wait till next year!!! Go Florida!! Go South CArolina!! Go Auburn!!!
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
December 1st, 2012
8:03 pm
Kamchak You still didn’t tell me what I missed when I wasn’t listening?
Maybe you can borrow notes from one of your classmates who was paying attention.
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangman Style!
December 1st, 2012
8:03 pm
I bet Notre Dame wanted DemDawgs to win!!!
Orange12
December 1st, 2012
8:05 pm
“Are you surprised?”
Yeah. I really am. I thought they were going to win it at the end.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 1st, 2012
8:05 pm
DDR
why do ypu resent the best of the SEC
clem
December 1st, 2012
8:05 pm
any points for having a Rhodes scholar….
JMH
December 1st, 2012
8:05 pm
Bro- Tax receipts were up 10-11 & 11-12; that’s the period I’m talking about. Just imagine if people were actually finding good paying jobs; it would be even better.
Also Federal workers are paid more on average than their private sector counterparts to start with; I can back that up with some concrete numbers if you would like but you know it’s true so don’t start whining and call me a liar.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 1st, 2012
8:07 pm
DDR
I bet Notre Dame wanted anyone to win except for Bama