Will GOP live up to its charter-school promises?
Georgia Republicans are a little giddy — and understandably so — about how easily the controversial charter-school amendment to the state constitution passed last month. Their 17-point margin of victory suggests to them that they now have an education mandate that extends well beyond state-created publicly funded charter schools.
For example, the vote is already being cited as a reason to double an existing program that today diverts as much as $50 million in state tax money into private schools. The transfer occurs through a convoluted process that gives the state no ability to regulate those schools or to hold them accountable in any way. “There is a real taste for anything that promotes school choice in Georgia,” state Rep. Earl Ehrhart, R-Powder Springs, told the AJC. “Obviously voters said that loud and clear. I think the timing is right.”
Republicans are also pleased and a bit startled by the degree of support that charter schools found among black voters in Georgia. As Pulitzer-winning author and charter-school advocate Doug Blackmon points out on his website, counties with large black populations were more likely to support the charter amendment than the rest of Georgia, even though most black political and community leaders publicly opposed the measure.
“That includes DeKalb (54 percent African-American), where the amendment passed with 64 percent of the vote; and Fulton (43 percent African-American), where it was approved by 66 percent,” Blackmon notes, adding that in Clayton County, 71 percent of voters approved the measure.
For some of the state’s more far-sighted Republicans, numbers like that represent a long-sought opportunity. They now have reason to hope that charter schools and the larger issue of school choice will finally allow them to attract black voters to their party. And for a variety of reasons, I hope they prove to be right.
The increasingly race-defined political system in this state — with conservative white people huddling in the Republican Party and everyone else collecting in the Democratic Party — is not good for the GOP and not good for Georgia. Any honest effort to break that pattern has to be applauded.
However, for Georgia Republicans, the charter vote presents more than a political opportunity; it represents an obligation. They told black parents in Georgia that school choice will improve education for their children; they now have an obligation to try to make good on that promise. And frankly, the track record so far isn’t promising. For example, the private-school “scholarship” program championed by Ehrhart and others may march behind the “choice” banner, but it is essentially a tool by which politically influential middle-class and upper-class Georgians tap into taxpayer money to support their own kids’ private-school education.
The test will be interesting to watch. Will the out-of-state for-profit companies that poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into the pro-charter political campaign now open schools in more challenging urban communities, or will they be allowed to cherry-pick the easier to serve, more profitable communities? Will state officials aggressively intervene to shutter those charter schools that do not live up to the promises that have been made?
Or, like the “scholarship” program, will this become another means by which to separate “our children” from “their children”, and by doing so justify the distrust between black Georgians and the GOP?
– Jay Bookman
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stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
7:42 am
fristies.
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
7:48 am
double an existing program that today diverts as much as $50 million in state tax money into private schools. The transfer occurs through a convoluted process that gives the state no ability to regulate those schools or to hold them accountable in any way
oh you nervous Nellie. What possible harm could come from unhinged GOP fundamentalists tossing $100 million at select schoolkids?
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
7:49 am
Also to, you BOOKMAN are the TRUE RACIST for bringing up race.
(might as well haul that old saw out bright and early.)
Atlanta Mom
November 30th, 2012
7:50 am
Jay,
I was under the impression that the limit for diverting taxes to private schools was already $100 million. No?
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!
November 30th, 2012
7:51 am
SKOOL? SKOOL? The GOP Don’ like SKOOL!
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
7:51 am
The GOP will end up with egg on their faces. These things won’t do a damn thing to help education in Georgia, much less education in the Black Community. I want to see how they’re gonna spin things to blame Democrats for the epic failure they’re setting themselves up for.
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
7:52 am
Since Jay asked:
[L]ike the “scholarship” program, will this become another means by which to separate “our children” from “their children”, and by doing so justify the distrust between black Georgians and the GOP?
Yes.
(THBAEOSATSQ)
Look before I leap...
November 30th, 2012
7:55 am
After the voters handed him his @ss on a platter on T-SPLOST, Deal trotted out plan “B”.
We’ll soon find out his wife and a number of relatives and cronies will be on the boards of the corporations establishing charter schools in the state. Getting nice fat paychecks in the bargain.
Nathan Deal has found his pot of gold.
Georgia on my mind...
November 30th, 2012
7:57 am
will they be allowed to cherry-pick the easier to serve, more profitable communities?
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Yes it will. During the Republican takeover of this state, areas that generate large amounts of revenue have been allowed to break away from their county counterparts and form their own cities. Most of the areas have a very small minority population.Time will tell if and when these areas will be at the top of Governor Deal’s list in creating new Charter Schools. Georgia will pay a price for giving the Governor control with the tricky amendment.
globeflyer
November 30th, 2012
7:58 am
It’s pretty obvious that the public school situation is not going well in GA. It should be no surprise that areas with a large number of black residents support it. They know it’s weak and the school testing debacle only served to reinforce that notion. I applaud them for being able to see “around” their so-called leaders and demand more accountability. The best way for that group to “break the cycle” of low education, welfare, and incarceration is to improve their schools.
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
7:58 am
Again, I would like to thanks all the lottery players for their funding of my daughter’s Zell Miller scholarship.
As for any of you out there with high expectations of improved education for your children through tax dollar subsidized, for-profit Charter schools, you reap what you sow and that crop is never going to see the light of day if schools such as The University of Phoenix are any measure of “things to come”.
Look before I leap...
November 30th, 2012
7:58 am
Handing over $50M to folks for private schools sounds an awful lot like “free stuff”.
Only this time it is for free stuff for rich people.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
7:59 am
Bible learnin’ for EVERYbuddy!!!
Jay
November 30th, 2012
8:00 am
Atlanta Mom, I don’t believe that to be the case.
JamVet
November 30th, 2012
8:01 am
The very, very, very slow to change GOP still sees American blacks and other minorities as adversaries, not allies.
And I suspect that this bureaucratic boondoggle of theirs will prove as productive as the Go Fish Campaign…
Look before I leap...
November 30th, 2012
8:01 am
“Bible learnin’ for EVERYbuddy!!!”
Don’t forget “Intelligent Design”
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
8:02 am
It’s pretty obvious that the public school situation is not going well in GA.
Cite please. Actual year-to-year metrics. For example, are public schoolers less likely to be literate than they were in years past? Are they more likely to drop out and become unemployable? Has there been some recent precipitous trend that forces our hand to dump millions of dollars into self-identifying fundamentalist GOPers’ hands?
Because if you are merely basing your observations on little titillating bits of local news items you’ve soaked in over the years, I will have to smite you.
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
8:07 am
I applaud them for being able to see “around” their so-called leaders
We’re with you all the way
Just across the bay”
Atlanta Mom
November 30th, 2012
8:08 am
Bad news Jay,
We’re both wrong.
“The Georgia tax credit scholarship program is more than a massive transfer of funds from public to private education – which, at an automatic $50 million per year increase, will reach $200 million next year, then $250 million, etc”
http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2012/06/11/private-school-tax-credit-cheating-georgia-and-its-children/
Sonny really stuck it to the taxpayers of Georgia.
Jim Crow in the South still lives
November 30th, 2012
8:09 am
Southern Strategy redefined in the new Charter School Amendment which begins about 18:46 into the video…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ACS4PgDFA
alex
November 30th, 2012
8:14 am
Perhaps it is also an opportunity for parents of these children to truly step up and support their school. Teachers will tell you that parental involvement is extremely important, perhaps these white OR black parents who did vote for the measure were fed up with the public school responses to their concerns. Now thse parents will have a responsive school AND will have to continue their part in their child’s education.
It is interesting about the black response and proves that these parents are above the racial divide and want better education for their child regardless of wether it’s deemed a white/black issue by “journalists or their “community leaders”.Perhaps the ACPS system debacles have finally soured them on the sbility of their officials to provide a quality education for their children. perhaps this is just one step toward a better education for children who cannot afford private schools. As for me , I’ll forgoe the Whole food apples and leased lexus and other materials to send my children to private schools. Education is our priority.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
8:18 am
“Don’t forget “Intelligent Design””
and this is what I think about that: http://cnx.org/content/m19363/latest/30.jpg
Peadawg
November 30th, 2012
8:22 am
“double an existing program that today diverts as much as $50 million in state tax money into private schools.”
Aaaaaand I stopped reading. If you want your kid to go to a PRIVATE school, pay for it yourself.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 30th, 2012
8:22 am
Did someone open the flap on the charter school trojan horse?
RUN!
bookman parrot
November 30th, 2012
8:23 am
it is not raced defined “mr. race baiter jay”. it is just ideology based. i would assume people don’t wake up in the morning and look and see in the mirror that they are white or black and therefore they make their decision to be con or lib, based on what is looking back at them in the mirror. knock off your race b.s. jay
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 30th, 2012
8:24 am
Enter your comments here
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
8:26 am
It is interesting about the black response and proves that these parents are above the racial divide and want better education for their child regardless of wether it’s deemed a white/black issue by “journalists or their “community leaders”.
That’s not interesting. That simply shows that, if the GOP puts forth a competent and viable message, they will get votes. What’s going to be interesting is to see whether the GOP actually does anything to improve the status of education here in Georgia beyond swiping taxpayer dollars for their own kids’ private educations. The GOP is officially on the hook to substantially improve education now, and they’re gonna have to produce tangible results as opposed to blaming Democrats for their failures.
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
8:26 am
mr. race baiter jay
ha ha ha.
That’s Mister race MASTER baiter jay to you, parrot.
indigo
November 30th, 2012
8:28 am
The voting base for Georgia Republicans consists of hard core fundamentalist Christians. Republican politicians are “giddy” because now, they can see to it that school boards are packed with fundamentalists. Because there will be no way to hold these schools “accountable in any way”, they will emphasize teaching creationism, a 6,000 year old Earth, the absolute truth of The New Testament and the evils of science. This, incidentally, will greatly increase the number of their electorate in the fundamentalist black community.
So, to say Republicans are “pleased”, is an understatement.
JamVet
November 30th, 2012
8:31 am
it is not raced defined “mr. race baiter jay”. it is just ideology based.
In the case of southern, white, so-called conservatives, that is a distinction with no difference…
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
8:31 am
Sorry, I forgot to include the link with the last line of my post @ 7.49.
Mick
November 30th, 2012
8:32 am
**The test will be interesting to watch. Will the out-of-state for-profit companies that poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into the pro-charter political campaign now open schools in more challenging urban communities, or will they be allowed to cherry-pick the easier to serve, more profitable communities? Will state officials aggressively intervene to shutter those charter schools that do not live up to the promises that have been made?**
Unfortunately, you already know the answers, it’s all about dismantling public education and the rise of corporate educational mills. Georgia has leap frogged past florida and in this case, it’s all yours. We will be watching also…
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 30th, 2012
8:32 am
Can someone please now my 13 year old that Adam and Eve walked among the dinosaurs?
Please?
And that global warming is normal, never mind those disappearing ice shelves?
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 30th, 2012
8:32 am
It doesn’t matter if this legislation proves positive above even the wildest predictions, the wording on the ballot IS…………………….and will REMAIN…………a big effing black eye upon Brian Kemp and the entire Republican party.
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They proved that they are no less shady and corrupt than your average Democrat lawyer/legislator.
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You are sad and dishonest ………….Mr. Kemp.
Jay
November 30th, 2012
8:32 am
Atlanta Mom, according to the Ga. Dept of Revenue, the $50 million is correct: https://etax.dor.ga.gov/inctax/taxcredits/HB1133_Student_Scholarship_Tax_Credit_Program.pdf
Jay
November 30th, 2012
8:34 am
Mr. Heyward, Kemp had nothing to do with the wording in this case. Constitutional amendment wording is handled by a panel controlled by the governor, speaker and Senate president.
Morality?
November 30th, 2012
8:37 am
Obama – this is your “plan” to avert economic chaos and the fiscal cliff…… do nothing – a continuation of the last 4 years. You got what you voted for – NOTHING!
hamiltonAZ
November 30th, 2012
8:39 am
Rep. Erhart may find the big margin of victory for the charter amendment exciting. The private prison business will certainly benefit from an undereducated populace.
But we citizens should keep a watchful eye on our ‘choices’ If Florida is any guide, the charter fad will prove just another waste of taxpayer resourcces that should be targeted to reduce the nation leading dropout rate in Georgia. It is maddening that we know the correlation between middle school truancy and graduation rates, we know the cost of targeting these at risk students would be far less than is being siphoned off the system for ‘private’ charters, and we know that Georgia’s scores would be much, much higher if these problems were addressed and the political education theory du jour was tossed.
skipper
November 30th, 2012
8:41 am
APS is a shining example of why SOMETHING had to be done. It is a cluster that would make inner-city Detroit proud. There are some decent schools on the ouskirts, etc. but by and large, APS, with its incompetant board that PEOPLE ACTUALLY VOTED FOR is one of the reasons that something had to be done. Not a soul in the world would move to Atlanta to open a company and send their kids to one of the nightmares downtown. Time to do SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
8:41 am
59 minutes in…
Obama – this is your “plan” to avert economic chaos and the fiscal cliff…… do nothing
slipped in the very first off-topic anti-Obama post just under the wire!
Better not push it next time, or else Tinkerbell dies.
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
8:43 am
APS is a shining example of why SOMETHING had to be done.
my challenge posted @ 8.02 extends to you too, skipper.
alex
November 30th, 2012
8:43 am
@ Bro, It is interesting to me and fills me with the hope that these parents will continue to see thru the “race-baiting” the Repubs as only dedicated to the “lili whites”. Perhaps the parents have seen with their eyes the problems of the current system and their leaders have been unable to fix the issues. Let’s trust the parents, As for your later comment-agree with you 100%: with opportunity comes the responsibility..
See you at Aldis
@ Mick perhaps the problem is that the PUBLIC education in this state is inept and exists in name only for many of these children.
Simple Truths
November 30th, 2012
8:43 am
It looks like the amendment passed by higher margins in area where the schools are in the most trouble. Maybe that is the reason for the high margins, not the race angle Jay is applying.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
8:44 am
Morality?
November 30th, 2012
8:37 am
Obama – this is your “plan” to avert economic chaos and the fiscal cliff…… do nothing – a continuation of the last 4 years. You got what you voted for – NOTHING!
+++++++++++++++
more republican losers repeating the same lies that lost them the last elections…….
they will NEVER learn. Hell, this one can’t even stay on topic. He’s so ate up with the dumbass he just sees Jay’s name and starts auto repeating lies……..
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
8:44 am
The private prison business will certainly benefit from an undereducated populace.
why you make it sound as if we live in a kleptocracy or somethin’. That’s not what I learned in school.
Oscar
November 30th, 2012
8:45 am
In their infinite wisdom, the people of Georgia voted . . . – well, you know the rest.
N-GA (on the winning side 2 federal elections in a row!)
November 30th, 2012
8:47 am
I thought there was an active lawsuit challenging the wording of the “Amendment”. Has that been dropped or resolved?
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 30th, 2012
8:48 am
Jay
November 30th, 2012
8:34 am
Mr. Heyward, Kemp had nothing to do with the wording in this case. Constitutional amendment wording is handled by a panel controlled by the governor, speaker and Senate president.
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Apologize for him if you like.
Mr. Kemp might have had nothing to do with the wording, but he has EVERYTHING to do with a fair and accurate election. His integrity represents what is arguebly the most important position in State government…He could have resigned if he had any.
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black eye……………….imho
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Oscar
November 30th, 2012
8:51 am
Depends on whether you are referring to the public promises or the private promises.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 30th, 2012
8:52 am
Obama’s proposal per Geitner will result in decreased revenues…if history is any guide…
His opening salvo is not where the GOP wants to begin negotiations….we should go off the cliff which will force both sides to really compromise..
IMO the fact that Obama got re-elected doesn’t mean diddly to House GOP…
Mike
November 30th, 2012
8:54 am
Maybe the black voters who really care about their kids, but are stuck in bad public systems like Clayton or Dekalb, realize this is a way for them to get their children into a better situation?
In case you guys aren’t aware, public schools can be really bad.
hamiltonAZ
November 30th, 2012
8:55 am
For the unfortunate 33 some-odd percent that didn’t recieve targeted resources to keep them from dropping out before high school graduation, Kleptocracy means:
Government by those who seek chiefly status and personal gain at the expense of the governed.
Jay
November 30th, 2012
8:55 am
NGA, there is such a lawsuit. Its chances of success are very dim, based on previous Georgia Supreme Court rulings.
Oscar
November 30th, 2012
8:57 am
I there is “no way for the state to intervene” then how can the ” act aggressively to shut down those djarter schools that do not measure up to the promises that have been made?”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
8:59 am
“Aaaaaand I stopped reading. If you want your kid to go to a PRIVATE school, pay for it yourself.”
word.
Oscar
November 30th, 2012
8:59 am
Make that “no ability to regulate those schools or to hold them accountable in any way” instead of ?no way to intervene.”
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 30th, 2012
8:59 am
JAY
Couldn’t agree with your column more….I bet most who voted didn’t really understand the total implications of this “Deal”..
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
9:00 am
“Maybe the black voters who really care about their kids, but are stuck in bad public systems like Clayton or Dekalb, realize this is a way for them to get their children into a better situation?”
gee.
that sounds like some of the “free stuff” your side is always deriding.
alex
November 30th, 2012
9:00 am
@ Stevie Ray, Agree; mabye twitter will solve it….I hope both sides get serious.
Oscar
November 30th, 2012
9:01 am
Proof reader wanted. Good pay and hours. Call 555-2424.
St Simons - he-ne-ha BOOTAKOOK 2014
November 30th, 2012
9:02 am
“or will this become another means by which to separate “our children”
from “their children…”
oh, I don’t know, its da Ga “Deliverance-is-a-documentary” Republicans.
what do you think their angle is?
I sincerely hope this is a rhetorical question.
Bhorsoft
November 30th, 2012
9:03 am
So if I’m reading the GOP correctly, taxpayer dollars are OK for well to do white folks, but not for anyone else. Tax cuts for the rich, entitlement cuts for everyone else. Private school tax dollars for the rich, substandard schools for everyone else.
Elections Have Consequences
November 30th, 2012
9:05 am
“with conservative white people huddling in the Republican Party and everyone else collecting in the Democratic Party”
Stop it, please.
Oscar
November 30th, 2012
9:05 am
Bhorsoft – I believe you have read it correctly, down to a T.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:05 am
Obama – this is your “plan” to avert economic chaos and the fiscal cliff…… do nothing – a continuation of the last 4 years. You got what you voted for – NOTHING!
And just what in the Sam Hell does that have to do with Georgia Charter Schools? Somebody’s ODS is flaring up today. Must have forgotten to take their meds this morning.
hamiltonAZ
November 30th, 2012
9:05 am
“public schools can be really bad”
This point is well taken. but the bad ones are easily identified and, I believe there are not a large number of really bad ones. So, rather than take money from the system in a way that offers only the random chance that the bad school problem will be addressed, why not use that money to establish a targeted panel of apolitical educators and pass legislation that allows state takeover and individualized management of any school that fails over a specified time to meet certain criteria?
Why is this solution so hard? The answer is state and local politicians who prefer their own power to the betterment of education in this state.
alex
November 30th, 2012
9:06 am
many private schools give financial support for students of limited means, that is another option….
@ Jamvet, what’s your take on the U.N. vote?
Redneck Convert (R--and ;proud of it)
November 30th, 2012
9:06 am
Well, I’m glad Those People like the charter schools idea because we need one or two in every charter school to keep the feds off of our back. Long as they’re clean and kinda look and act White. The rest can just stay in the regular public schools. It don’t do no good to create charter schools if
they’re going to get loaded up with a bunch of downtown thugs we don’t want our kids to be aroundthey can’t be picky about who goes to them.Anyhow, it’s Friday everybody and I’m out here hauling and lugging to try and get you ready for swapping weird music tonight. I feel like we got cheated out of some weird music swapping last Friday on account of the holiday and Bookman taking the whole long weekend off. Not to mention the hit my 401k hit because there wasn’t a big flood of Bookmanite music swappers headed to the stores to load up on beer.
Have a good Friday everybody.
St Simons - he-ne-ha BOOTAKOOK 2014
November 30th, 2012
9:07 am
ALEC’s attempt to buy a re-write of history & curriculum.
So that our children is learning Jaysusss rode on a dinosaur 6000
yrs ago when the world began, to save the world from socialist
muslin teleprompters. For freedum. also, too. duh
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
9:08 am
indigo — “they can see to it that school boards are packed with fundamentalists. Because there will be no way to hold these schools “accountable in any way”, they will emphasize teaching creationism, a 6,000 year old Earth, the absolute truth of The New Testament and the evils of science.”
Don’t forget the teaching of faith-based mathematics. One needs a thorough grounding in that subject in order to be able to ‘unskew’ political polls.
alex
November 30th, 2012
9:09 am
@hamilton: it appears, by the cheating scandal, that the problem in Atlanta is so pervasive that your suggestion may require too many school closings and getting the legislation involved would take too much time,education in the south has been so poor, for so long..mabye people are fed up…
JamVet
November 30th, 2012
9:09 am
alex, I only saw a headline or two.
But a Palestinian state of some kind is probably the ONLY way to some sort of long term cessation of hostilities there.
And I suspect that the average Israeli and the other people in that part of the world are beyond sick of the ongoing bloodbath.
You?
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:12 am
alex: It is interesting to me and fills me with the hope that these parents will continue to see thru the “race-baiting” the Repubs as only dedicated to the “lili whites”.
If it’s true, then it’s true. I won’t say most or even half of the GOP are racist, but those who are open minded let the jackasses speak up for everyone. It makes those who don’t speak up guilty by association. That’s no different than me being a Democrat or Liberal here just because I’m Black. I know that, regardless to what I say or post, I’m guilty by association in the eyes of many here who can’t see beyond my race. What I don’t do, however, is let others here speak for me. I can’t say the same about those in the GOP who stay silent in the face of dumb sh*t.
Oscar
November 30th, 2012
9:13 am
Gaza and West Bank will never be one state. Gaza should become part of Egypt or its own state.
Three state solution. Or one state solution.
alex
November 30th, 2012
9:13 am
2 Jam: gotta read some more about it, but I’m with you , at some point-gotta change and move in a different direction. Will keep in reading and pull up some Israeli sites. It is intereting that in this area, and others, of the world-the young people are moving the political stick-my hope for Iran, especially.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:14 am
Maybe the black voters who really care about their kids, but are stuck in bad public systems like Clayton or Dekalb, realize this is a way for them to get their children into a better situation?
Is this way the same way to a better situation as that whole “scholarship” program that has some of my tax dollars going to pay for some of Kip and Bunny’s private school tuition?
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 30th, 2012
9:14 am
Jay, what is your take on the possible change to the filibuster? I think it could come back and bite us because the Cons will gain power once again…..might be decades but it will happen.
alex
November 30th, 2012
9:16 am
@ Bro:agree.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:16 am
USinner @ 9:00
Did the GOP win votes by promising “free” stuff??? Say it ain’t so…
Barry
November 30th, 2012
9:17 am
As a white Republican and a dad who has put his boys through private school with nothing at this point to gain or lose anyway.
I think this is the greatest thing to happen to the black community in 50 years and now the black parents who give a crap, can get their kids a great education, instead of a steady stream of public education, teaching them how to live off the system, instead of being the system.
This will be a blessing to them.
hamiltonAZ
November 30th, 2012
9:18 am
Atlanta’s public school system is a daunting problem. But the randomness of how money will be spent opening charter schools is no answer. There is no requirement that the charters be opened and geographically accessible to children of failing schools. Indeed, one of the most prominent charter school battles took place in a northern rim county where test scores in all of the high schools were high and overall the highest in the state. The money going to that charter is money NOT going to help the distressed situation in Atlanta or elsewhere.
alex
November 30th, 2012
9:18 am
Taking a page from “whose’ playbook….2nd down……yuk, yuk
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
9:18 am
Broun was selected to speak for other Republicans because he is one of their educated ones.
JamVet
November 30th, 2012
9:20 am
my hope for Iran, especially.
Yes, indeed, alex.
Let the young people there keep on keeping on. And hope that sex, drugs and rock and roll wins the day. (grin)
Lord knows, the last thing we should do is invade another country…
OK, gotta go see the vampires down at the VA, then…
Hi Ho, Hi Ho, It’s Off to Work I Go!
Have a great one, all.
Seeya later…
Oscar
November 30th, 2012
9:21 am
It is way past time to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate. The original idea of the filibuster was to delay a vote until all the members could get to the Senate. We no longer have that problem.
If fifty one senators want a bill passed it should be voted on and passed.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 30th, 2012
9:22 am
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:05 am
Guilty as charged..got frustrated reading the status of negotiations…
Somehow, regardless of family status, we need to get more kids graduating…this “Deal” won’t remotely address this issue IMO. Unless the number of charter schools that we are stuck with go primarily to schools with the lowest graduation rates…and that probably won’t help…teachers can’t substitute for parents…more trade schools will help…offering two tracks of schooling..college prep and vocational..
straitroad
November 30th, 2012
9:26 am
Although I disagree with the Charter School Amendment of funding private schools with public money, whether a child gets an education is ulitmately based on the decision of the parents. If education is a priority of the parent, then the child will do well and if it isn’t, then the child will suffer. I wish more leaders stressed responsibility instead of promising more stuff. We would be much better off.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 30th, 2012
9:27 am
Thanks Roy Barnes.
You know, I would be tempted to conclude that this is one case that is truly a single-partisan issue, but upon closer inspection it’s clear that in no area — not even high finance — is the disease we face so starkly bipartisan as it is in education.
And just a quick glance at what Rahm Emanuel is doing in Chicago will remind us that the Democratic party has done just as much if not more to attack education and create the current disastrous runaway train of privatization as their bed-mates the Republicans with whom they exchange scabies.
Both of these parties are essentially rotten.
St Simons - he-ne-ha BOOTAKOOK 2014
November 30th, 2012
9:27 am
“means by which to separate “our children” from “their children…”
oh, and we’re racist for noticing racism too
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:28 am
I think this is the greatest thing to happen to the black community in 50 years and now the black parents who give a crap, can get their kids a great education, instead of a steady stream of public education, teaching them how to live off the system, instead of being the system.
No it is not. This will likely help the same number of Black students as that tax-dollar scholarship scheme did. The only thing that will help the Black community is solid career-type employment with decent pay and benefits. There is no need to give state government control over local school districts.
emz
November 30th, 2012
9:29 am
The Georgia GOP is not good for education for anyone different from them.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
9:33 am
S. Ray — “…teachers can’t substitute for parents…”
Word.
Momma n’ Daddy helping Bobby n’ Susie with their math & English homework on a routine basis will, IMO, do a lot more for a kid’s academic performance than a bright shiny new charter school will.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
9:33 am
at least the people of GA have finally stepped up to stop the liberal democrat racist educational systems that are destroying minority communities………….
its been unfair and an injustice that the democrats have a monopoly control of the educational systems in the cities and counties that FAIL the most……………….. all a racist plot to prevent minorities from making their lives better…………
its time the white liberal racists are purged from education so that minorites can prosper
Welcome to the Occupation
November 30th, 2012
9:34 am
straightroad: “Although I disagree with the Charter School Amendment of funding private schools with public money, whether a child gets an education is ultimately based on the decision of the parents”
Judging by that statement you’re almost certainly middle-class and white. In any case, you’re wrong. The question of a child getting an education is not so much the WILLINGNESS of the parents to see to it, as you suggest, but the ABILITY in socio-economic terms. The increasing precarization of the lower end of the economic spectrum over the past 30 or so years, now followed by the increasing unwillingness of the oligarchy that has a stranglehold over policy to even support in principle the education of the entire populace, THESE are the real factors that make educating the population more and more questionable outside the affluent segments.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:35 am
Stevie Ray
I was going to attribute your post to Tourette’s as opposed to ODS.
I can’t understand why you, or anybody else, gets themselves worked up into a tizzy over this stuff. Regardless of the issue or situation, we all know it will end up the same way with the bottom 50% – 70% of America getting screwed without the common courtesy of a reach around.
As to the school issue, it won’t solve a thing other than diverting tax dollars from schools to favored campaign donors and friends.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
9:35 am
“Did the GOP win votes by promising “free” stuff??? Say it ain’t so…”
no … only DEMS give away “free stuff” … the GOP gives “zero-cost stuff”.
world of difference, there.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 30th, 2012
9:36 am
Rand Paul?
Who names their kid after a road atlas?
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:37 am
at least the people of GA have finally stepped up to stop the liberal democrat racist educational systems that are destroying minority communities………….
Well, seems as though someone’s putting their B.S. degree to work this morning.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
9:38 am
“oh, and we’re racist for noticing racism too”
the GOP’s version of “he who smelt it dealt it”
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
9:38 am
POLITIC-FACT CHECK
Although I disagree with the Charter School Amendment of funding private schools with public money
FALSE- PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE PRIVATE……………. CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE NOT PRIVATE SCHOOLS…………LIBERAL BELIEFS IN EDUCATION ONLY SUPPORT THE NOTION TO REMOVE THE LIBERALS FROM EDUCATING!
Doggone/GA
November 30th, 2012
9:38 am
“S. Ray — “…teachers can’t substitute for parents…””
Maybe not, but good teacher can augment and improve education for childern whose parents had, themselves, a poor education…for whatever reason.
saywhat?
November 30th, 2012
9:40 am
“Will GOP live up to its charter-school promises?’
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Um, no.
RB from Gwinnett
November 30th, 2012
9:41 am
“The GOP will end up with egg on their faces. These things won’t do a damn thing to help education in Georgia, much less education in the Black Community.”
Says the one who WANTS the black community to fail in education… Gotta keep ‘em dumb and dependent, right Bro?
You just keep doing what you’re doing cause the 44% graduation rate in the APS is exactly what you want for the black community. If it’s not, prove it. Show me what the dem party or you personally are doing to change it.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
9:42 am
POLITIC-FACT
LIBERALS ARE RACISTS
TRUE – a wise man once said he wanted his children to be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin…………….. he would be disappointed in the fact that the D’s spend all their time breaking down people into groups based on their skin color and other markers instead of valuing the individual based on the content of their character………
MLK is SOL
Welcome to the Occupation
November 30th, 2012
9:42 am
Jay Bookman: “Or, like the “scholarship” program, will this become another means by which to separate “our children” from “their children”, and by doing so justify the distrust between black Georgians and the GOP?”
I can’t believe that you’re seriously putting that out as an actual question. Privatization, by its very nature, ALREADY means separating out “ours” from “theirs”. So there’s really nothing to wait for. If you think that the bid to privatize schools in predominately black areas is a good-faith effort to reach out to black GA voters has even the slightest chance of being in good faith, you’re kidding yourself.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
9:45 am
…they now have an obligation to try to make good on that promise. And frankly, the track record so far isn’t promising.
If it doesn’t work, at least two here already this morning are poised to blame this on Obama.
The other half of your brain.
November 30th, 2012
9:48 am
The increasingly race-defined political system in this state — with conservative white people huddling in the Republican Party and everyone else collecting in the Democratic Party — is not good for the GOP and not good for Georgia. Any honest effort to break that pattern has to be applauded.
” Everyone else ” has a choice, they can go to whichever party they choose. It’s called the Democratic way.
With all the articles that you and the AJC have written about on how poor our students were doing and the cheating scandals, One would think that trying charter schools couldn’t be any worse.
It’s quite amazing how short ones memory is.
Erwin's cat
November 30th, 2012
9:49 am
I was against it before I was for it…
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:50 am
Says the one who WANTS the black community to fail in education… Gotta keep ‘em dumb and dependent, right Bro?
Are you willfully ignorant or were you born that way? The fact that you would insinuate such crap exposes you for the jackass you are. The only thing I want to see failure in is people like you spreading your bullsh*t ideology and thinking to others.
You just keep doing what you’re doing cause the 44% graduation rate in the APS is exactly what you want for the black community. If it’s not, prove it. Show me what the dem party or you personally are doing to change it.
Ok dumbass, I live in H-E-N-R-Y C-O-U-N-T-Y. My daughter is 4 years old, but I’ve been paying property taxes, i.e. funding the school system here, for almost 10 years. The only connection I have to APS is my friendship with josef. I don’t have to show you a damned thing about what I’m doing, but if you want to know, I have a 4 year old child who speaks 2 languages (English and Spanish), knows her numbers through 100, and is learning to count in Japanese. I don’t work to improve the educational system. My job as a parent is to ensure the education of my child and make sure she’s not impeding the education of those in the classroom with her.
Anything else?
Cosby
November 30th, 2012
9:52 am
Charter Schools have a history of operating less expensively than Government schools and produce quality educatin to boot. But Jay, of course, wants to use the race card. the other point is the charter Schools will only get about 65% of what the normal Government schools receive from the working stiffs ( 48&) who pay taxes, and, again they produce a quality product. Jay also did not address the Teachers Union that poured tons of money for defeating the charter Schools…time for Government schools to produce or go the way of the Edsel..now that is Capitalism at its best…and we get a qaulity product at a cheaper price…woprks damn well now doesn’t it!!!!!!
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!
November 30th, 2012
9:53 am
Parents helping their kid with homework is all very good, but what about the parents who have to work two jobs apiece to make ends meet? Who helps their kids do their homework?
The other half of your brain.
November 30th, 2012
9:55 am
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
8:26 am
mr. race baiter jay
ha ha ha.
That’s Mister race MASTER baiter jay to you, parrot.
Stands, that was funny, Masterbater.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:56 am
Corbin
Nobody gives a sh*t about that. The parents are considered effin’ lazy because they don’t earn enough to pay taxes, even when they’re working two jobs. This charter school amendment ain’t about fixing education for people who really need it. The school boards already had the legal authorization to form charter schools if the parents wanted them. The GOP set the football up on the tee, and the whole state of Georgia just got Charlie Browned.
alex
November 30th, 2012
9:56 am
Vocational schools are an excellent alternative for kids….
RB from Gwinnett
November 30th, 2012
9:56 am
“Anything else?”
Yes. Just answer the question. Other than maintaining the status quo, what is the Dem party or YOU doing to change the 44% graduation rate in the APS? Or in the black community in general? Talk is cheap, Bro, improvement takes action. And all I’m seeing is Jay standing on the sidelines throwing rocks at the people trying to DO SOMETHING, something that’s proven to work. And he and you can’t tell me a single thing the dem party is or has done to correct this massive problem. NOTHING!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
9:57 am
alex – 9:56 – totally agree
RB from Gwinnett
November 30th, 2012
9:59 am
“The parents are considered effin’ lazy because they don’t earn enough to pay taxes, even when they’re working two jobs. ”
And if their kids don’t get an education, they’re going to be doing the same thing. 44% graduation AIN’T GETTING THE JOB DONE!!!
indigo
November 30th, 2012
10:00 am
Finn – 8:32
You’d better get your 13 year old out of Georgia fast.
Otherwise he/she will be rolling down an isle shouting “I done been saved by the spirt, PRAISE DE LORD”
Tundra Dude
November 30th, 2012
10:01 am
Will GOP live up to its charter-school promises?
I’d expect the results to be about the same as up here, where they’ve been trying the charter thing since 1995. All the reviews are “mixed”, meaning, I’d say, less than spectacular.
The Impact of Milwaukee Charter Schools on Student Achievement
March 2009 — Executive Summary
(snipped)
the positive impact of charter schools on achievement (relative to traditional public schools) declines as the number of years a student has attended a charter school increases;
(snip)
We conclude that while charter schools overall may help the education of urban youth, our study of Milwaukee indicates that they should not be expected to be the silver bullet that some reformers seek. We also suggest that it is important to better understand and deal with instability in school attendance in urban school districts, as it proves to be the most significant determinant of student achievement in all of our statistical models.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!
November 30th, 2012
10:01 am
RB,
What can a party do when it is suffering a super minority? How can the Democratic party do anything for APS?
Erwin's cat
November 30th, 2012
10:02 am
The school boards already had the legal authorization to form charter schools if the parents wanted them
I don’t think the decision to open a charter is/was in the hands of the parents. I think the county board ultimately has the power and that is/was the problem…but I could be wrong …and open to correction
The other half of your brain.
November 30th, 2012
10:04 am
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:56 am
Corbin
Nobody gives a sh*t about that. The parents are considered effin’ lazy because they don’t earn enough to pay taxes, even when they’re working two jobs. This charter school amendment ain’t about fixing education for people who really need it. The school boards already had the legal authorization to form charter schools if the parents wanted them. The GOP set the football up on the tee, and the whole state of Georgia just got Charlie Browned.
Bro, Can’t we at least once, give them a chance? Lets be honest, Georgia schools have been ripped apart in the past few years and I personally can’t see how trying anything could make it worse.
Heck, if all parents would work with their children like you & the misses work with yours we could eliminate all schools.
St Simons - he-ne-ha BOOTAKOOK 2014
November 30th, 2012
10:04 am
for-profit-jaysus-rode-the-dinosaur-charter scams have all the credibility
of the Georgia Republicans.
Union
November 30th, 2012
10:04 am
race baiting this early in the day.. sigh… so all the “white” kids going to attend the charter schools? i guess it would depend on the demographics of the community they are in. in new york.. the charter schools have over 85%+ minority makeup and the concern is there is not enough mix in the schools.
@jay.. so i guess all the new talking points are to integrate race and wealth envy into every blog now?
The other half of your brain.
November 30th, 2012
10:06 am
Well it’s time to try something else, we had charter schools for 3 weeks and it failed.
oops
November 30th, 2012
10:06 am
Republicans better step up to the plate and actually help disadvantaged communities the way Jeb did in FL.
Ben The Independent
November 30th, 2012
10:07 am
Jay says charter schools doubles the schools and costs. How can the total number of students remain the same and the cost to educate them double? Jays arithmetic has a far left spin. How can improving SAT scores be bad?
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!
November 30th, 2012
10:07 am
Maybe Georgia Republicans want to start a system like they have had in Europe. At age twelve all kids take an aptitude test to see what they are best suited for. Whatever that is is what they will train for. Seems kinda Socialistic to me, but in a way, so does this Charter school biz…
The other half of your brain.
November 30th, 2012
10:08 am
Union, You didn’t expect anything different from Jay, did you?
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!
November 30th, 2012
10:09 am
Ben The Independent
November 30th, 2012
10:07 am
Ben,
If the schools go private with no regulation, you can bet the cost will rise for the parent. Just look at cable TV for an example…
Oscar
November 30th, 2012
10:09 am
The charter school amendment has already passed. Talking about whether they are good or bad is a little late at this point. We are going to have them for better or worse.
Go Dogss.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
10:10 am
RB — “something that’s proven to work”
Wrong.
They have a *small* net positive effect, but they have in no way been “proven to work,” as you falsely claim.
Matt P.
November 30th, 2012
10:10 am
If Republican leaders think this is a wedge issue to attract African-Americans, they’ve officially gone off the deep end.
Look, you passed misleading ballot language that gave a voter literally no idea what they were voting for. They may as well have been voting for apple pie and baseball. Are we really going to pretend that the average voter is going to understand the minutiae of an amendment to the state constitution?
So, fine, the ballot language was misleading, and you got what you wanted – the passage of the amendment. But that is all you got! When you have to hide your ideas in order to get them passed, your hidden ideas don’t suddenly become popular.
Moderate Line
November 30th, 2012
10:10 am
However, for Georgia Republicans, the charter vote presents more than a political opportunity; it represents an obligation. They told black parents in Georgia that school choice will improve education for their children; they now have an obligation to try to make good on that promise. And frankly, the track record so far isn’t promising. For example, the private-school “scholarship” program championed by Ehrhart and others may march behind the “choice” banner, but it is essentially a tool by which politically influential middle-class and upper-class Georgians tap into taxpayer money to support their own kids’ private-school education.
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The current system benefits the rich and middle class more than the poor. The access to quality public education is largely based on your ability to buy a house in a district which a good public school system. The middle class and poor get the added benifit of increase wealth because the value of their homes go up faster because the educational systems where they live are more valuable. Even in the current recession look at where housing retain it’s value the best. Where the wealthier people live.
I actually see where vouchers and charter schools decrease the advantage the rich and middle class have over the poor.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
10:10 am
Other than maintaining the status quo, what is the Dem party or YOU doing to change the 44% graduation rate in the APS?
Can you not read??? “The only connection I have to APS is my friendship with josef.” is what I posted to you earlier. I don’t live in Atlanta. I don’t belong to the Democratic Party. I don’t belong to the NAACP, or any other organization with ties to APS.
If you want to go to the general community, I’ve been a mentor since I was in high school. I’ve worked with the youth through my Masonic Lodge since joining in 1992. I’ve also spent several years going back to work with music education in my hometown. I do plenty to improve things in my environment. As you said, talk IS cheap, and your’s ain’t worth a damn cent.
You come here preaching crap and don’t know a damned thing about the Black community. So you have zero credibility in trying to tell me what’s needed in the Black community as I live in the Black community. Why don’t you just stick to whining about Obama and worry about corrupt assed Gwinnett?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
10:11 am
Ben T. Independent — “How can the total number of students remain the same and the cost to educate them double?”
Profit motive.
The other half of your brain.
November 30th, 2012
10:11 am
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech…and earned it!
November 30th, 2012
10:09 am
Ben The Independent
November 30th, 2012
10:07 am
Ben,
If the schools go private with no regulation, you can bet the cost will rise for the parent. Just look at cable TV for an example
There you go, charter schools is just like tv.
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 30th, 2012
10:15 am
Actually………..Brocephus…………..as a Federal employee …………pays absolutely NO taxes.
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just a drive-by.
.
carry on.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!
November 30th, 2012
10:16 am
The other half of your brain.
November 30th, 2012
10:11 am
I agree. Charter schools could end up with Sponge Bob Square pants as a teacher.
Jay
November 30th, 2012
10:16 am
“Jay says charter schools doubles the schools and costs. How can the total number of students remain the same and the cost to educate them double? Jays arithmetic has a far left spin.
Where does Jay say this? As far as Jay knows, Jay didn’t write anything even close to that.
Ronald Reagan Parkway
November 30th, 2012
10:17 am
Gwinnett County schools have been successful for several years. This new Charter School Amendment is going to be used to benefit the newly formed cities and schools that have a free lunch program with a participation rate of 1%. The Black and Hispanic communities will not benefit unless change at the top happens (Democrat Governor). The Republican Party thinks that the Brown People Community is only looking for handouts, so expect only a few crumbs to be thrown their way!
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!
November 30th, 2012
10:18 am
Jay,
It’s not a good sign to talk about yourself in third person…you’re scaring me…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 30th, 2012
10:18 am
Will Obama live up to his promises……… say starting with “transparency” ?
n
November 30th, 2012
10:19 am
Republican lawmakers in Georgia spend most of the legislative time and energy determining how best to divert taxpayer millions into their own pockets. In many cases propaganda and outright lies are used to sway public opinion. It is the worst form of crony capitalism..
The campaign for state control of charter school placement was a classic case of lies and cynical manipulation of the electorate in order to get the amendment passed. And now, because of their success with the Charter School Amendment, you can bet that the great minds at work in the state leadership are busily figuring out more and better propaganda campaigns to separate taxpayers from their money, and to divert taxpayer millions towards their selfish purposes and crony enrichment.
It is the definition of dysfunctional & failing state when many/most of the state leadership run for office and devote their energies in office solely for self gain and to perpetuate their narrow selfish agendas.
Georgia is a failing state that has been headed downward for a decade now, due to the greed and narrow-mindedness of it’s leadership. We are at or near the bottom of every measure of progress, education and culture because of the limited vision and greed of the men running this state.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
10:20 am
My question is are the Charter Schools going to provide bus service to all those poor inner city kids or will that be an added expense on the parents?
Will the Charter Schools also provide free breakfast and lunches to all the poor kids they proclaim they are trying to raise out of poverty?
When a family is living on the edge any expense is too much.
Tundra Dude
November 30th, 2012
10:20 am
Why Charter Schools Fail the Test
By CHARLES MURRAY May 4, 2010
THE latest evaluation of the Milwaukee Parental Choice Program, the oldest and most extensive system of vouchers and charter schools in America, came out last month, and most advocates of school choice were disheartened by the results.
http://bit.ly/Sz1KMh
barking frog
November 30th, 2012
10:21 am
The people have another choice available. How is this a bad thing?
Because some of those people are rich or religious? I think not.
weetamoe
November 30th, 2012
10:25 am
Charter schools are public schools. Did you deliberately obscure that fact by including private schools in your discussion? DeKalb County schools are about to lose their accreditation and there are rumblings in some sections of our new cities that it might be prudent to establish their own school systems. Elected officials apparently have little faith in public schools. We’ve had kids in our family (some white some not) enrolled in Paideia, Galloway, Walker, Friends, and a local Montessori. Classmates were/are kids of elected officials and AJC employees.
Redneck Convert (R--and ;proud of it)
November 30th, 2012
10:25 am
“The only connection I have to APS is my friendship with josef.”
Woe is me! I don’t even have that, thanks to his hatred of rednecks.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
10:25 am
“Where does Jay say this? As far as Jay knows, Jay didn’t write anything even close to that.”
Jay Bookman … the new “Bo Knows”
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
10:26 am
The school boards already had the legal authorization to form charter schools if the parents wanted them
When the democratic process does not yield results that appeal to the Republicans they seek other means of achieving their desires. They were born that way, baby.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
10:27 am
EC: I don’t think the decision to open a charter is/was in the hands of the parents.
The decision rests with the board. The board is an elected body. The ultimate power is wielded by those who vote, i.e. parents. If the board won’t make the decision, one can always run to replace the board and make the decision yourself.
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The other half @ 10:04
We don’t have any choice other than to give them a chance. That said, I’m not holding my breath in anticipation of some kind of grand breakthrough simply because the state now can override the local board and institute charter schools.
None of that will change the dynamics inside the home. As long as both parents have to work their asses off to keep a roof over the head of the family, their time spent working is less time spent helping to prepare the child to learn. That’s where I think the improvement needs to begin. If the child isn’t prepared to learn by the time they start grade school, they’re already behind the curve.
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Ron Paul Jr @ 10:15 Actually………..Brocephus…………..as a Federal employee …………pays absolutely NO taxes.
I wish you’d tell that to my county tax assessor’s office. You could save me about 2 grand a year alone in that one office.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
10:27 am
YOU HAVE TO PASS IT TO SEE WHATS IN IT
you whining crying liberals from democratically controlled school districts which churn out uneducated and ill prepared citizens are really ignorant in that you want pur more money into a failing system instead of creating a working system
HOSTESS is a great example of LIBERALISM at work
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 30th, 2012
10:28 am
“Or, like the “scholarship” program, will this become another means by which to separate “our children” from “their children”, and by doing so justify the distrust between black Georgians and the GOP?”
Jay:
Oh, do you mean like Obama and many other Democrat Senators and Congressmen/women separate “their children from those children” in Washington, D.C. ?
Hummmmm ………………………..
RB from Gwinnett
November 30th, 2012
10:30 am
“What can a party do when it is suffering a super minority? How can the Democratic party do anything for APS?”
Check the makeup of the APS school board and pretty much everybody with any control of the APS, tell us which party has control of it, then get back to us with a more reasonable answer. Simply put, PAY ATTENTION!!
Georgia on my mind...
November 30th, 2012
10:30 am
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:50 am
You deserve the award for the “best” post of the morning! People still live in the 1950’s and think that Black people are not intelligent enough to speak for themselves unless there is background noise coming from others. If you have never lived in the hood, how can you know the struggles? If you once lived there and were able to move up, I am sure that it was through hard work. Some White people think that Black people are lazy and enjoy living a life with low wages…they are wrong on many levels…All people are asking for is an “opportunity” and they will prove just how successful they can be!
Simple Truths
November 30th, 2012
10:30 am
This feels like an entry good ol’ Cynthia Tucker would have written. Thanks for the flashback to that terrible era for the AJC.
barking frog
November 30th, 2012
10:30 am
Not a good idea to encourage the state chartered schools to
become known as the Republican School System.
skipper
November 30th, 2012
10:30 am
APS..shining beacon of exemplary education. (lol) So it should be left alone with the buffoons who run it? Race always come into it, and I respect Bro’s honesty. However, race in this case means keeping incompetant idiots to run APS. The right to vote does not ensure the intelligence to do so, and since nobody DARES to say anything that will get them branded “racist” here it is……the communities insistance on electing unqualified individuals to the board has contributed to the cluster that APS has become. And folks were just supposed to stand around and watch that nightmare go on? Race comes into it granted probably more because of the poverty, etc. but it is STILL as screwed up a situation as is imaginable! Lokk at the inner-city high schools and get real……like Clower said whan he and the bobcat were fighting uo in the tree: “Just shoot up here amongst us; somebody has to have some relief!
Welcome to the Occupation
November 30th, 2012
10:33 am
Ben the Independent: “Jay says charter schools doubles the schools and costs. How can the total number of students remain the same and the cost to educate them double?”
Why wouldn’t it make sense though, Ben? Let along Marxist analysis, that’s simple econ 101. When you introduce profit — the very difference between the two arrangements — that explains the difference that must arise in costs for the consumer.
Georgia on my mind...
November 30th, 2012
10:35 am
skipper says,
The right to vote does not ensure the intelligence to do so, and since nobody DARES to say anything that will get them branded “racist” here it is……
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Tell me if it was the intelligence of the people of Georgia to vote for Nathan Deal and his baggage???
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer leech...and earned it!
November 30th, 2012
10:38 am
RB,
You had better pay attention. Amendment 1 gives control of local school systems to the State. The State is deep red, last I looked.
bookman parrot
November 30th, 2012
10:38 am
to
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
8:26 am
typical lib… when they have no clue, nor can’t ignore the truth, .. they respond with childish name calling
Erwin's cat
November 30th, 2012
10:39 am
Four public charter schools in Georgia were named yesterday to the Georgia Department of Education’s List of “Reward Schools.” The Rewards School designation is a new achievement ranking reserved for schools with the highest performance or the biggest academic gains by students in the last three years.
http://www.gacharters.org/
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 30th, 2012
10:41 am
Ron Paul Jr @ 10:15 Actually………..Brocephus…………..as a Federal employee …………pays absolutely NO taxes.
I wish you’d tell that to my county tax assessor’s office. You could save me about 2 grand a year alone in that one office.
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“When a citizen is allowed to pay the mule skinner off with skins that were first pilfered from him….and the mule skinner actually accepts such payment………then ye shall know that the State is involed in general education and ye shall know that your society is surely doomed and/or skinned.”
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BJ Thomas 1972
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
10:42 am
Tundra Dude
November 30th, 2012
10:20 am
Why Charter Schools Fail the Test
By CHARLES MURRAY May 4, 2010
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oh yes………… LIBERALS AT WORK!!!!!!!!
Milwaukee WI…….. THE GREAT LIBERAL STATE………with education run by LIBERALS……….. faild by LIBERALS
SO THEY GO OUT AND GET A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATURE too correct the LIBERAL FAILINGS
but then those corrections start to WORK so LIBERALS try to RECALL the REPUBLICANS for showing how INCOMPETENCE of the WI LIBERALISM………….. and that FAILED
so give time and the REPUBLICAN EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM to be implemented in Milwaukee will over time improve output and replace the FAILING LIBERAL EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM
MAYBE CITY OF ATLANTA NEEDS TO HIRE REPUBLICANS FOR THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEM
Moderate Line
November 30th, 2012
10:44 am
Georgia on my mind…
November 30th, 2012
10:30 am
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
9:50 am
You deserve the award for the “best” post of the morning! People still live in the 1950’s and think that Black people are not intelligent enough to speak for themselves unless there is background noise coming from others. If you have never lived in the hood, how can you know the struggles? If you once lived there and were able to move up, I am sure that it was through hard work. Some White people think that Black people are lazy and enjoy living a life with low wages…they are wrong on many levels…All people are asking for is an “opportunity” and they will prove just how successful they can be!
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I grew up in a mostly poor white area. Most of my family is poor. I have lived in a 90% black area and I now live in a 90% white area. It is interesting to see the statements people both black and white make about each other.
Neither one really knows the other that well.
lovelyliz
November 30th, 2012
10:45 am
These charter schools Are going to be used as a way to make politically-connected contactors even richer at the tax payer trough while doing nothing for the kids who really need help
Question for you
November 30th, 2012
10:45 am
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
10:42 am
What county do you reside in? What has the Republican Governors of Georgia done to improve education since they have been in control for over 12 years? How did former President George W. Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” system work out for GEORGIA?
skipper
November 30th, 2012
10:46 am
Georgia on my mind;
Nathan Deal or anybody else could not find a train, plane, or automobile big enough for the APS baggage. Stick to the topic, will ya? Looking at APS, you, nor your first cousin Bozo the Clown can say that somebody should not try something………..
lovelyliz
November 30th, 2012
10:47 am
An investigation by Philadelphia s City Controller earlier this year uncovered widespread financial mismanagement among the city s charter schools, including undisclosed related party transactions where friends and family of school management were paid for various services, people listed as working full time at more than one school, individuals writing checks to themselves, and even a $30,000 bill from a beach resort charged to a school.
RB from Gwinnett
November 30th, 2012
10:47 am
“You had better pay attention. Amendment 1 gives control of local school systems to the State. The State is deep red, last I looked.”
If you really think thats what Amendment 1 does and that it’s what has made the APS the joke it is, you have no business being part of this discussion. Go back to Wheel of Fortune or whatver you were doing.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 30th, 2012
10:48 am
Jay: “Republicans are also pleased and a bit startled by the degree of support that charter schools found among black voters in Georgia.”
I don’t know for sure, but I have a sneaking suspicion this may have something to do with a certain “grace period” among African Americans, temporarily putting in suspension skepticism on these elite schemes, associated with the fact that Barack Obama, along with other astroturf privatizers in the Democratic party camp like Cory Booker, are big proponents of these sorts of educational “innovations”. Don’t know that but it’s just a hunch. Needless to say though, when the truth comes out about how these schemes fuel inequality rather than mitigate it, the shortness of whatever “honeymoon” appears now will quickly become clear.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
10:50 am
RUN LIBERALS RUN
go watch
WAITING FOR SUPERMAN
even the liberal Bill Gates sees the value in charter schools
http://www.seattleweekly.com/2010-09-29/film/waiting-for-superman-bill-gates-joins-the-charter-school-bandwagon/
Georgia on my mind...
November 30th, 2012
10:51 am
skipper
November 30th, 2012
10:46 am
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Thank you for you insults SON but I am not apart of the APS school system.
Skitty Fritty
November 30th, 2012
10:52 am
Doug Blackmon points out on his website, counties with large black populations were more likely to support the charter amendment than the rest of Georgia, even though most black political and community leaders publicly opposed the measure.
Answer:
Because they know their public school systems are not providing the education their children need even though these counties spend more $ than other counties per student.
Ronald Reagan Parkway
November 30th, 2012
10:53 am
skipper, what school system does your family reside in?
skipper
November 30th, 2012
10:53 am
@Georgia,
Although (unfortunately) I’m probably older than you, my apologies.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 30th, 2012
10:54 am
I did a little nosing around on that question of African American support for privatization in Georgia, and turns out there’s already been some discussion of the question, incl. by AJC’s Galloway.
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Jim Galloway of the Atlanta Constitution Journal explains here how interesting it is that Georgia’s ballot measure to permit the state to create a committee to approve charter schools passed with big support from African Americans — even though black lawmakers and other leaders in the state said it would lead to the resegregation of public schools.
In fact, the state superintendent of schools was against it, as was the Georgia PTA, as was the League of Women Voters, as was Georgia’s NAACP, just to name some of the opponents.
So what or who made the difference?
President Obama, Galloway says, thanks to a 60-minute radio spot that aired on African American radio stations. Obama doesn’t talk specifically about Georgia’s charter initiative but he is heard in the ad as supporting charter school expansion.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2012/11/08/how-obama-helped-georgia-charter-measure-win/
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Ben Shockley
November 30th, 2012
10:54 am
RB correctly points out the miserable 44% APS graduation rate. However, the crime isn’t so much that 56% fail to grduate, but rather that the 44% who do graduate are proven not to know squat.
Dems tenaciously guarding the miserable status quo. Sad.
Skitty Fritty
November 30th, 2012
10:55 am
Question:
Why do we want this thing called “Government” to have a larger role in our lives than it already has? Clearly, the recent election said the people want the “Government” to control healthcare, etc.
Why when the “Government” hasn’t shown us strong, quality leadership on things such as education or healthcare (Medicare)?
Georgia on my mind...
November 30th, 2012
10:55 am
skipper
November 30th, 2012
10:53 am
maybe you are but you speak like a little BOY!
Skitty Fritty
November 30th, 2012
10:56 am
Question:
What public school does President Obama’s children attend?
Ben Shockley
November 30th, 2012
10:56 am
“The increasingly race-defined political system in this state — with conservative white people huddling in the Republican Party and everyone else collecting in the Democratic Party”
Conservative white people tend to achieve more and live better than all those other groups. Maybe people ought to pay attention th their opinions.
Just sayin’…………………………
Mike
November 30th, 2012
10:56 am
USinUK, I don’t know about all that “free stuff” stuff. I was merely saying why I thought so many minorities voted for this. I am sure many people of color on the south and east sides of Atl. realize this program may benefit them if they can get their kids away from the school systems they are in.
That’s all.
Of course, one might argue that those on “your side”, whatever that means, would rather keep them hemmed up and keep them dumb so they will keep depending on you.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
10:57 am
Georgia on my mind… @ 10:30
I am who I am because of where I came from and how I was raised. I’ve tried to do what I could to help those who want to better themselves, regardless of whatever demographic group they belong to. Thanks for the compliment.
oops
November 30th, 2012
10:58 am
“What public school does President Obama’s children attend?”
bingo
George W. Bush
November 30th, 2012
10:59 am
It seems as if some on the blog were recipients of the “No Child Left Behind”.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
11:00 am
Question for you
November 30th, 2012
10:45 am
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
10:42 am
What county do you reside in? What has the Republican Governors of Georgia done to improve education since they have been in control for over 12 years? How did former President George W. Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” system work out for GEORGIA?
LIBERAL ILLOGICS
i thought the whole arguement against the charter school system was that it would take LOCAL CONTROL away………… so your argument of what have GOVENORS done is invalid………. WHAT HAVE THE LOCAL DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED SCHOOL SYSTEMS DONE — FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the local republican systems churn out educated students
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD-GIVE CONTROLL TO REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM LOCAL COUNTY/CITY DEMOCRAT GOVERNMENTS
John Konop
November 30th, 2012
11:02 am
We are heading in the wrong direction with plenty of blame on all sides. We need to lower overhead and increase quality ASAP. The current one size fit all teach to the test college prep system does not work for the majority of kids. Charter schools, private schools home schools will not fix the problem on a macro.
I would suggest the following:
1) Combine public schools with 4 year colleges, JC…………and utilize facilities, faculties, administration and students more efficiently. This would lower building cost, match students with best teachers, lower administrative overhead while increasing quality, increasing work experience for students……….
Roll back the teach to the test craziness and instead focus on learning and a certificate concepts rather than high stakes testing.
2) Track students according to aptitude and eliminate or seek waivers No Child Left Behind teach to the test college prep requirements for all.
3) Create a home school/ public school option that is flexible to the students needs and can foster internship/co-op jobs starting in high school.
4) Cross utilize high schools at night for colleges, JC…….to lower overhead and create more access to training, education………
5) Create curriculum based on certificates needed for skills at all levels based on aptitude and desire of students.
6) Create one department between higher learning and k-12 to make sure all are on the same page and lower overhead.
7) Bridge a relationship between the chamber and schools to create proper requirements for curriculum for jobs, co-ops and internships.
9) Grade school districts on graduation rates, job placement and placement into higher education over mean test scores.
Georgia on my mind...
November 30th, 2012
11:02 am
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
10:57 am
You are welcome…the same here…I am from a similar type of environment. My father was a blue collar worker that worked very hard to provide for us. He never had his hand out looking for the government to take care of his family and neither do I or my siblings!
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:03 am
oops
November 30th, 2012
10:58 am
“What public school does President Obama’s children attend?”
bingo
++++++++++++++++++++
What Country are you President of? Bingo.
What Georgia County does President Obama live in? Bingo.
Just how insipidly stupid was your bingo? Bingo.
Just damn still no signs of intelligence from the Right, just tired lies and stupidity……….
DannyX
November 30th, 2012
11:03 am
“MAYBE CITY OF ATLANTA NEEDS TO HIRE REPUBLICANS FOR THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEM”
No, Republicans have proven they are not up to the job. After a long, long wait Republicans were finally able to get one of their own elected when Linda Schrenko became the state school superintendent a few years back. She is still sitting in jail right now for stealing money from a deaf school fund so she could pay for a facelift. Great start Republicans!
The current state super spoke out against the Charter School Amendment.
Republicans have little confidence in education. Gov Deal accepted a couple hundred million dollars in “big government”, “liberal Obama”, strings attached federal Race To The Top funds.
Republicans are terrible in math and science, their unskewed approach to education is doomed to fail.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:05 am
Skitty Fritty
November 30th, 2012
10:56 am
Question:
What public school does President Obama’s children attend?
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Question: What Country are you President of?
Question: What does the education of Obama’s kids have to do with Georgia’s money grab amendment from Nathan Deal?
Question: Do you have a brain?
skipper
November 30th, 2012
11:05 am
Georgia o m m,
What is your suggestion to cure the woeful ills of APS? Rave about Nathan Deal? throw out the red-herring to get off the subject? Charter may NOT be the answer….please give us your solution: I am certain you must have one.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
11:06 am
“HOSTESS is a great example of LIBERALISM at work”
you mean executives pillaging the company then blaming the unions??
then, when the company declares bankruptcy, STILL seeking additional millions for their efforts???
alex
November 30th, 2012
11:10 am
@Tundra:thanks for the reference, did you read the ENTIRE article with the author pointing out that HE would send his child to a local charter school. …Anyway, thanks..
Snarkysnake
November 30th, 2012
11:10 am
Here’s a closed circuit to all of my friends that want education reform:
The venom and bile that you will see in a LOT of the comments above and below is being promulgated by the educrats and their robots. The rules of engagement with these people will roughly follow the outline below.
1) If you disagree with the education cartel on these pages Or Maureen Downey’s blog), you will be called ignorant, bigoted,a fundamentalist whack job and a lot worse.(I have also noted that “racist” is starting to creep into the more unhinged posts). Be of good cheer; The cartel is seeing their power slip away and they are behaving like spoiled children.If you have kids (especially young teens) you know what I am talking about.
2) The discussion will not go more than a few posts without you being accused of wanting to “cut teachers pay”. This is another strawman that comes straight from the GAE talking points.You may be obliged to point out that with over $180,000 spent in each classroom in Georgia ($9000 average per students X 20 students), versus an average $50K salary,the only people taking pay away from teachers are the battalions of central office staff and rock star superintendents that make over $400K (Like Beverly Hall).
3) They’ll tell you that poor kids are the reason that the more well off kids can’t learn. This has been done since the dawn of time . It’s the reason that so many kids get free lunches (”You can’t teach a hungry child” !!) BUT, its the same reason that they want even more free lunches.
4) They’ll tell you that they COULD do a better job…If only the bureaucracy in the central office would get out of the way. They won’t tell you that the central office is staffed by …Them, with a few more letters after their name.That’s the goal for a lot of them-The big money jobs like “Director of sustainability” that allow them to buy the luxury cars that those people drive.Net time you’re out with the kids, play “Educator Bingo” . The rules-When you see a giant SUV or Lexus,Infinity or other high end car with an “Educator” tag, you get a letter. It won’t take long…
5) When they start talking about who benefits (financially) from school choice…They know that they are losing. If all you have to talk about is who gets the money,then you got nothin’. Ask them if they will donate 20 hours a week to their schools and they’ll turn all capitalist on you real quick.
Look, the education monopoly needs to visit Reality Planet and understand that the political winds have changed. (Boy, have they changed- 60-40 for the Charter School Amendment). We reform advocates are emboldened.In a fair election,the monopoly was beaten. Thats reality. They can either get with the program or become even more marginalized.Better to take half a loaf than go begging,I say.
We’re winning. They are on the wrong side of history. Encourage one another and don’t listen to the name calling and hyperbole (”THE RELIGIOUS FRINGE WANTS TO SHUT DOWN PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!!!!!!”) Win hearts and minds. Wear their insults like a badge of honor (and they will insult you,believe me).
Georgia’s a great place. And we’re about to get better schools.
Union
November 30th, 2012
11:11 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
11:06 am
you mean executives pillaging the company then blaming the unions??
then, when the company declares bankruptcy, STILL seeking additional millions for their efforts???
what are you kids going to blame the failure of california on?
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
11:11 am
Moderate Line @ 10:44
You should post that here every day!!!
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RB correctly points out the miserable 44% APS graduation rate. However, the crime isn’t so much that 56% fail to grduate, but rather that the 44% who do graduate are proven not to know squat.
Who knew APS controlled so much of Georgia’s educational system.
Dixie Edalgo and Allyson Reyer both graduated first in their class in Georgia public schools. Both now attend in-state public colleges.
But for these valedictorians, the road to college was dramatically different. Reyer, 18, graduated from Sprayberry High in Cobb County with a 4.578 grade point average and 39 hours of college credit through advanced placement courses. In her first year at The University of Georgia, she’s already a sophomore.
Edalgo, 19, graduated from Wilcox High in the South Georgia town of Rochelle, where budget cuts forced a four-day week, advanced placement courses are not offered and an estimated two-thirds of students don’t have Internet access at home. She graduated with a 4.0 but seldom had homework, and is now struggling with math as a freshman at Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College, where a 2.0 – a low C average – is required for entry.
Rochelle, GA is in Wilcox County, Georgia, that Red county that voted for Romney by 66% over Obama. The same Wilcox County that voted Republican for every contested office on their ballot and only Democrats who ran unopposed won.
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Wilcox/42434/112209/en/summary.html
APS is one bad mutha… I bet John Shaft graduated from APS.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
11:12 am
“what are you kids going to blame the failure of california on?”
final salary-based pension plans.
skipper
November 30th, 2012
11:13 am
@Union,
Easy! The blame for the failure in California is…………………CALIFORNIA!
DannyX
November 30th, 2012
11:16 am
“what are you kids going to blame the failure of california on?”
California has one of the best education systems in the world. Their education system is feeds hundreds of hi tech companies there with workers.
Speaking of ” a great example of LIBERALISM at work” and California…Apple
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
11:19 am
usINuk must not have read how the TEAMSTERS UNION bankrupted HOSTESS. the BAKERS UNION decided to not compromise so they could find a buyer that would free the company from the TEAMSTERS UNION DELIVERY DEBACLE…………..
EVEN LIBERAL UNIONS understood that the system the TEAMSTERS forced upon HOSTESS was the MAJOR factor in reducing profitability of the company…..
Under new management that can USE THEIR OWN DISTRIBUTION CHANNELS and not the TEAMSTERS one……… both the company and the BAKERS UNION can THRIVE
nice try cupcake
Tundra Dude
November 30th, 2012
11:20 am
Alex wrote:
@Tundra:thanks for the reference, did you read the ENTIRE article with the author pointing out that HE would send his child to a local charter school.
Of course, but he lives in Wash DC. Probably a better choice than the pub schools.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:20 am
Does anyone read Uncle Samantha’s irrational shouted rants?
East Lake Ira
November 30th, 2012
11:21 am
Keep poking folks, I think crazy Uncle Sam is about to pop an artery or two.
No Child Left Behind?
November 30th, 2012
11:21 am
Duncan: ‘No Child Left Behind’ creates failure for U.S. schools
Washington (CNN) — Education Secretary Arne Duncan said Wednesday his department estimates that four out of five schools in the United States will not make their “No Child Left Behind” benchmarks by the law’s target year of 2014 — and when the test scores are counted for the current school year, numbers could show that U.S. schools are already at that failure rate.
He blamed that failure rate on the law itself, not on schools.
“This law has created dozens of ways for schools to fail and very few ways to help them succeed. We should get out of the business of labeling schools as failures and create a new law that is fair and flexible, and focused on the schools and students most at risk,” Duncan told the House Committee on Education and the Workforce.
Under the No Child Left Behind law, originally passed in 2001, all students are expected to meet a level of “proficiency” by 2014. Because standards under No Child Left Behind are higher from year to year as 2014 approaches, the percentage of schools that are not meeting “Adequate Yearly Progress” could rise from the current level of 37% to 82%, Duncan said.
Duncan pointed out that federal law requires states and districts to “implement the same set of interventions in every school that is not meeting AYP, regardless of the individual needs and circumstances of those schools.”
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/09/education.congress/index.html
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
11:23 am
Does anyone read Uncle Samantha’s irrational shouted rants?
Only for sh*ts and giggles…
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
11:23 am
DannyX
November 30th, 2012
11:16 am
“what are you kids going to blame the failure of california on?”
California has one of the best education systems in the world. Their education system is feeds hundreds of hi tech companies there with workers.
Speaking of ” a great example of LIBERALISM at work” and California…Apple
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californina universities…………. EDUCATING THE BRIGHTEST FOREIGN STUDENTS IN THE WORLD………….
but wait………. even liberal magazines see CA’s decline
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/02/california_educations_painful_decline/
and APPLE………… employing 1,000,000 chinese to build products to sell in the U.S. while 15,000,000+ ameicans collect unemployment
nice PR firm
Union
November 30th, 2012
11:27 am
california has one of the fastest growing charter school systems.. i cannot imagine why people would want to do this with such a great system..
apple is a great company.. love the fact that the product markup is 100% at minimum and they have all their product made overseas and get a pass from libs..
usnuk.. dont forget the medical and dental cost for just retired state employees in ca.. in the billions of dollars also.. very nice plans though..
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:27 am
Does Uncle Samantha realize that his pack of Talk radio/FOXBOT lies was the downfall of his party in the last election? Should we tell him/her/it?
John Konop
November 30th, 2012
11:27 am
Snarkysnake,
……….. 1) If you disagree with the education cartel on these pages Or Maureen Downey’s blog), you will be called ignorant, bigoted,a fundamentalist whack job and a lot worse.(I have also noted that “racist” is starting to creep into the more unhinged posts). Be of good cheer; The cartel is seeing their power slip away and they are behaving like spoiled children.If you have kids (especially young teens) you know what I am talking about………..
This is not true! Maureen and I have agreed and disagreed on education issues on her blog. She has always seeks respectful debate on both sides of an issue. I have been harshly attacked on both sides of the debate depending on the issue. But in general most people are rational on both sides. The people with agendas usually have the harshest tones.
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
11:28 am
Y’all quit making fun of Uncle Samatha. He, I mean, she, is clearly confused.
appleseed
November 30th, 2012
11:29 am
Repubs.keeping a promise.Only to their own.
skipper
November 30th, 2012
11:29 am
Brocephus,
Although we disagree politically, if everybody took the interest in their kids you do we would not be on this topic at all………
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
11:30 am
Georgia has the nation’s third-largest rural enrollment and it’s among the poorest performing, according to the Rural School and Community Trust, a Washington nonprofit. While a few rural districts perform well, the study found overall Georgia’s rural students are among the lowest scorers on national exams and their graduation rate is the nation’s second-lowest, behind Louisiana.
It could be worse. We could be compared to Mississippi.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
11:30 am
“must not have read how the TEAMSTERS UNION bankrupted HOSTESS. the BAKERS UNION decided to not compromise so they could find a buyer that would free the company from the TEAMSTERS UNION DELIVERY DEBACLE”
and Auntie Sam must have missed this bit about exec salaries:
CEO salary went from 750K – 2.5M
4 EVP’s salaries nearly doubled
and 3 SVP salaries went up by more than 50%
but. yeah. it was the unions that done Twinkies in.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/hostess.asp
RF
November 30th, 2012
11:30 am
Actually Uncle Sam, Hostess came out of bankruptcy in 2009 due to the 500 MILLION in concessions from unions for REDUCED labor costs (pension contributions cut, insurance premiums raised, etc.). Of the ONE DOZEN or so unions representing various employee groups, the only one who balked at the last round of pay and benefit cuts was the baker’s union. While that one union played an important role, it did NOT shut down the company.
The company projected making 3.1 billion in 2011. It only made 2.5 billion, a loss of 600 MILLION in sales revenue. Believe it or not, labor costs were within projected amounts for that same year. The company failed because it lost market share. People aren’t buying the gooey, fat-laden snacks as much, and they don’t market them nearly as well as others. When was the last time you actually saw a commercial for Twinkies? They didn’t market well, they didn’t innovate, and their staid product line lost consumer interest. They were already on their way DOWN before they tried to impose still more labor cost cuts to try ot put off the inevitable. You can only cut so much from labor costs.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
11:30 am
oh, and what do these Viking executives get for their pains???
Hostess Brands Inc., in the midst of winding down its business, is hoping Thursday that a federal bankruptcy judge approves up to $1.75 million in bonuses for its executives.
The money is intended as an incentive for 19 top-level managers to stay on with the Twinkies and Ding Dongs maker to oversee its liquidation following a battle with its second-largest union.
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-hostess-executive-bonuses-bidders-20121129,0,4339046.story
you want to know what’s killing America??? ^^^^^^ THAT
DannyX
November 30th, 2012
11:33 am
“but wait………. even liberal magazines see CA’s decline”
You didn’t read the article did you Sam? If you did you would have read this…
“This article explains why Californians must vote yes on Prop 30. It will slightly increase the sales tax from 7.25% to 7.5% and increase state income taxes on anyone making over $250K for 7 years to fund public education K-12 and community colleges.”
Voters did approve Prop 30. You raced over to Google to try and make a point and got burned bad.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
11:34 am
“Voters did approve Prop 30. You raced over to Google to try and make a point and got burned bad.”
the phrase that you’re looking for is “hoisted on your own petard”
bwahahaha
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:35 am
skipper
November 30th, 2012
11:29 am
Brocephus,
Although we disagree politically, if everybody took the interest in their kids you do we would not be on this topic at all………
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That’s the core problem skipper. This ISN’T (or SHOULDN’T) be a political issue. It’s all about the kids. this amendment is nothing more than a blatant money grab by the proven thief of a Governor that we have in office. It WAS however sold as a “liberal vs conservative” issue when it is not.
Many of the people who voted for the measure were completely uneducated about it. The way it was worded made the ignorant think thta there were no charter schools in Georgia and no way to redress the issue. That simply wasn’t true.
This amendment now means that the crook gets to appoint some crony to a cushy couple of hundred grand a year job who then decides who to take bribes from to allow a “charter” school to open.
alex
November 30th, 2012
11:35 am
@ Modrate line and some people think that all repubs are greedy SOB’s , can’t worry about those “some” people, although this blog and I am sure others seem to attract uneducated fools. As for Shaft–I can “dig” it !
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:36 am
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
11:30 am
It could be worse. We could be compared to Mississippi.
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Mississippi schools kick Georgia’s ass.
RF
November 30th, 2012
11:37 am
USinUK- AND the judge has already allowed, from what I read, for the company to get out of its pension obligations to retirees, thus forcing the pension fund into the Pension Fund Guaranty Corp. (fed organization managing defunct pensions). Sad state of affairs for pensions these days for a lot of people.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/11/21/pensions-retirement-hostess-bankruptcy/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
11:39 am
Hey Fred
You get that text I sent you last night?
Tundra Dude
November 30th, 2012
11:41 am
They were already on their way DOWN before they tried to impose still more labor cost cuts to try ot put off the inevitable. You can only cut so much from labor costs.
One head baker sez he earned $48k in 2005. He’s now down to $34k. They wanted him to take more cuts, down to $25k in 5 years….sounds like a great future….
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
11:42 am
poor LIBERALS
“Hostess’s problem, as the bakers point out in bankruptcy filings printed in legible English, and as Hostess management has pointed out in its own equally readable filings, is that Hostess’s valuable parts are held back by Hostess’s high-cost, Teamster-staffed system for moving Twinkies and other delights from production facility to store shelf.” wsj
the more EDUCATED LIBERALS of the BAKERS union understand business……….. TOO BAD THE RANK AND FILE DO NOT
go READ THE FILINGS
alex
November 30th, 2012
11:42 am
@ Tundra..your point…?
@ No child: how do we measure a school’s efficacy then. I ,personally don’t think 1 blanket set of requirements is acceptable.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
11:43 am
Jay
Will GOP live up to its charter-school promises?
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That’s only to be spoke of in quiet rooms with their cronies
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
11:44 am
skipper
It’s all about priorities. My mother raised me to be better, do better, achieve more, and go beyond what she accomplished. Her parents did that to her. I’m simply carrying on in that tradition. When and where I have the opportunity to help others, I have no problem in doing that. I think it’s all a matter of self-confidence and self-awareness.
I have no grand vision of being some multi-billionaire CEO because that’s not the life I want. I value knowledge over money as I’ve personally seen that money comes and goes like the tide, but it’s hard to take away a man’s knowledge once he’s learned something.
Basics
November 30th, 2012
11:48 am
Charter schools have problems succeeding in the communities where they are needed most because of their inability to provide basics like transportation to & from the school for their students. I know the ones around us (& we are in an area where charter schools are far from economically diverse) hold a lottery for bus service & have only 1-2 routes. Not all offer on-site after-school care or other programs offered at Title 1 schools that assist families with parents who are unable to provide homework support. Many charter schools require a certain level of parental involvement, but for lower-income parents who work multiple jobs, for those who don’t speak English, how are they supposed to meet those requirements?
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
11:48 am
Bro
I value knowledge over money
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And yet you come here???????
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:48 am
Kam: I forgot to check it. I’ll do it later. The trainer has crippled me, I’m downstairs and can’t make it back upstairs until I recover some more lol.
Soothsayer
November 30th, 2012
11:49 am
I only have a few more years to pay this accursed school tax. I literally can’t wait for that day to come. Then, let them do what they will with the d*amned schools!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
11:49 am
the more EDUCATED LIBERALS of the BAKERS union understand business……….. TOO BAD THE RANK AND FILE DO NOT
HOSTESS HAD 6 CEOS IN 8 YEARS AND NONE OF THEM HAD ANY EXPERIENCE IN THE BREAD OR CAKE BAKING INDUSTRY! TOO BAD THAT WSJ OP-ED PIECE YOU REFERENCED DIDN’T MENTION THAT.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
11:51 am
Fred
I’ll save you some steps. Sooth posted this last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh1g45Afz9s
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 30th, 2012
11:51 am
Uncle Samantha seems to be a product of the current Republican controlled education system.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
11:52 am
Basics @11:48 am
They won’t and thats where the problem lies.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
11:55 am
FOTW — “Uncle Samantha seems to be a product of the current Republican controlled education system.”
Yestiddy him cudn’t spel ‘Koleg Stoodint’ and tuday him am wun!
Tarvaris
November 30th, 2012
11:55 am
“…pleased and a bit startled by the degree of support that charter schools found among black voters in Georgia”
Shouldn’t be. In almost every interview with a brother or a sister leading up to the election they said clearly that they favored charter schools. Why Jay would you find it hard to believe that we want a decent education for our kids too?
Erwin's cat
November 30th, 2012
11:56 am
UGA forecast: state’s economy better than U.S. in 2013
http://www.ajc.com/news/business/uga-forecast-states-economy-better-than-us-in-2013/nTJjZ/
D@mn Republicans
paulo977
November 30th, 2012
11:57 am
Atlanta Mom…..”Sonny really stuck it to the taxpayers of Georgia.” !!!!
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We are long way from being able to figure out the Plantation Owners’ not even so hidden agenda , aren’t we?
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:00 pm
Kam: Funny how he lacks the courage to post here anymore. He stays over to Kyles where Kyle let’s him insult folks, call them names, and then punishes anyone who gives him some of his own back. In other words typical Right wing hypocritical behavior……..
MiltonMan
November 30th, 2012
12:01 pm
Funny to see libs already blaming the cons for the failure of education in this state among urbanites. Please remind us libs how the education system was in this state for 130+ of lib rule??? Also, if the libs are so terrific on the education agenda, how come school districts in heavy democratic agrees suck so bad – APS, Clayton, DeKalb, etc., etc.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:01 pm
Why Jay would you find it hard to believe that we want a decent education for our kids too?
Why do you think that charter schools would live up to the promise of a “decent education”?
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:02 pm
Erwin’s cat
November 30th, 2012
11:56 am
UGA forecast: state’s economy better than U.S. in 2013
http://www.ajc.com/news/business/uga-forecast-states-economy-better-than-us-in-2013/nTJjZ/
D@mn Republicans
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Yeah. Let’s see the final result, not the forecast. We’ve been at the bottom now for about 4 years……….
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
Oh and where is UGA’s business college ranked? 4th or 5th in the STATE?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
M. Man — “Funny to see libs already blaming the cons for the failure of education in this state among urbanites. Please remind us libs how the education system was in this state for 130+ of lib rule???”
If, as conservatives say, ‘throwing more money at schools isn’t the answer,’ then why does y’all’s solution involve throwing more money at *different* schools?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
Fred
He did the suicide by blog thingie here forcing Jay to ban him
Erwin's cat
November 30th, 2012
12:04 pm
Fred – Yeah. Let’s see the final result, not the forecast. We’ve been at the bottom now for about 4 years……….
same could be said about this charter school thingy too
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:06 pm
MiltonMan
November 30th, 2012
12:01 pm
Funny to see libs already blaming the cons for the failure of education in this state among urbanites.
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Well you Republicans HAVE been in control of the State for 10+ years. At what point will you be taking responsibilities for your failed policies? LOL Who am I kidding, you folks NEVER take responsibility.
Oh and Milton man? your talk radio/FOXBOT lies cost you the presidency. Why do you keep repeating them? Will they somehow become true with more retelling?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
12:07 pm
K’Chak — “He did the suicide by blog thingie here forcing Jay to ban him”
I actually got him to talk to me briefly over at Kyle’s back when Jay was on vacation.
I wanted to see how credulous he was on the topic of political polling, so I asked him about poll weighting. He knew that Rasmussen did it and he allowed how it was a good thing and then said he didn’t want to talk to me any more because I was a “disruptive” person.
Waaaaaaal, I guess it takes one ta know one, Buckaroo.
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
12:09 pm
typical lib… when they have no clue, nor can’t ignore the truth, .. they respond with childish name calling
parrot, when you whine and call your blog host a “race baiter,” you have forfeited your right to take the high ground. You certainly have forfeited the right to cry “name caller.”
And by the way, your screen name is gross and trollish, and if you had any self respect, any real interest in discussing issues civilly with those who disagree with you, you would a) apologize for using it, b) pick a new name but clearly state that you used to post as “bookman parrot,” and c) actually think before posting.
But you won’t, I don’t imagine.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:09 pm
Erwin’s cat
November 30th, 2012
12:04 pm
Fred – Yeah. Let’s see the final result, not the forecast. We’ve been at the bottom now for about 4 years……….
same could be said about this charter school thingy too
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Pray tell how? We HAVE Charter Schools. They do very well. What we DIDN’T have was a double nought secret commission controlled by a proven thief to steal money away from local school districts that is NOT answerable to anyone except the thief.
SO you think having a thief with the ability to steal with impunity is somehow going to benefit anyone except the thief and his cronies?
Nero
November 30th, 2012
12:09 pm
Blah blah blah…keep ignoring the “Cliff” leeches. The sweet release of higher taxes for everybody and across the board spending cuts are soon at hand. I’m excited! Anytime the Boomer leeches get hit in the wallet and lose benefits makes me practically giddy!
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:11 pm
The Charter School amendment and it’s idiot cheerleaders= the Titanic is sinking, let’s poke another big hole in the bottom to save it…………
alex
November 30th, 2012
12:12 pm
@ Milton, they can’t they are incompetent but don’t trust the repubs to do better, plain and simple, that is basically what many of these posts say: “Kolig”, “plantation”..
2 Basics, great points, much of the education issue is societal on multiple levels. charter schools is not the only answer and it may just be a small help, but hopefully they will engage a larger part of the population then the public schools. Mabye those parents who send the kids there and are of limited means will trust that their kids will get a better education because all of of the extracurricular activities that occur in the dysfunctional public schools does not occur and kids can attend to their studies, perhaps, hopefully….
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
12:13 pm
Please remind us libs how the education system was in this state for 130+ of lib rule?
I learn amazing stuff from MiltonMan.
130+… years, I presume? of “liberal rule”? in Georgia?
I must research this fact and learn more.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:13 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
Fred
He did the suicide by blog thingie here forcing Jay to ban him
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I’m sure that ban has long been lifted. He’s a coward.
MiltonMan
November 30th, 2012
12:14 pm
“Well you Republicans HAVE been in control of the State for 10+ years. At what point will you be taking responsibilities for your failed policies? LOL Who am I kidding, you folks NEVER take responsibility.
Oh and Milton man? your talk radio/FOXBOT lies cost you the presidency. Why do you keep repeating them? Will they somehow become true with more retelling?”
Failed? What exactly has failed??? I am living well in a low crime, high education, good schools, etc, etc. district regradless of who is in control chief. Sounds like you rely on government hand-outs.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:14 pm
…and then said he didn’t want to talk to me any more because I was a “disruptive” person.
Oh, that is too rich!
Reality_Check
November 30th, 2012
12:15 pm
Republicans must really be gullible. The rhetoric about choice, etc. is just so much BS. Money (Tuition tax credit, For-profit charter schools) is only part of the reason the local right-wingers supported this amendment. The right-wingers were originally part of the John Birch Society, then the Dixiecrats, and now the state GOP. The attitudes are unchanged. The ads showing an African-American child were especially hypocritical. Don’t be surprised if, within 5 years, the NEW charter schools look like the public schools before integration (about 1970). Most of the minorities and disabled students whose families can’t meet the transportation and volunteering requirements will be left in the public schools. That’s the long-term goal.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
12:16 pm
NoCom
To complete the circle of knowledge, one has to know right AND wrong as well as how to differentiate between the two. That’s why Bookman’s is a valuable educational tool.
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If, as conservatives say, ‘throwing more money at schools isn’t the answer,’ then why does y’all’s solution involve throwing more money at *different* schools?
Damn good question. I wish I had thought of that one.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
alex
November 30th, 2012
12:12 pm
@ Milton, they can’t they are incompetent but don’t trust the repubs to do better, plain and simple, that is basically what many of these posts say: “Kolig”, “plantation”..
2 Basics, great points, much of the education issue is societal on multiple levels. charter schools is not the only answer and it may just be a small help, but hopefully they will engage a larger part of the population then the public schools.
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We aren’t talking about Charter Schools. We already HAVE Charter Schools. What we are talking about is Nathan Deals money grab amendment where he appoints a crony to a cushy unregulated, high paying job, who’s function is to manage the bribes for Charter Schools where ever he gets bribed to put them.
Union
November 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
Reality_Check
November 30th, 2012
12:15 pm
Republicans must really be gullible.
you left out the entire state of california… they are moving to charters left and right.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
Hey sport!
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:18 pm
Failed? What exactly has failed??? I am living well in a low crime, high education, good schools, etc, etc. district regradless of who is in control chief. Sounds like you rely on government hand-outs.
No, YOU rely on Government handouts. YOU are the one who wants to use MY tax money to fund YOUR kid’s private school. i pay for my daughter’s private school. I have since Kindergarten. Shame you can’t get in it, but we DO have standards you know…….. brains is one of them.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
12:19 pm
Please remind us libs how the education system was in this state for 130+ of lib rule???
Now, I see why there is a need to improve education here in Georgia. Georgia, as well as other states in the South, have always been more conservative than the rest of the US. Even wen run by Democrats, the Democratic Party members from the South were more conservative than the rest of the country. To claim that Georgia had 130 years of Lib rule shows how completely ignorant people are to not only the history of the state but the history of our political system as well.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
12:21 pm
K’Chak — “Oh, that is too rich!”
I know, right? You’d have to lock that guy in a tractor-trailer going across country to *keep* him from being disruptive.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:22 pm
Hell yeah, let’s use California as the poster child for Charter Schools. Just like the Republicans used Ireland as the “best” economic model a few years ago, (we all know how that turned out for Ireland):
http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/2011/11/california-charter-schools-problems.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/23/opinion/la-ed-crescendo-charter-cheating-20120823
Shame I can only link two, there were hundreds……..
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
12:23 pm
Bro
And what did you learn LAST night????
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:23 pm
Nero
November 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
Hey sport!
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Hey Nero. How they hanging?
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
12:23 pm
Even wen run by Democrats, the Democratic Party members from the South were more conservative
for crap’s sake. It’s simple. I taught my kid this years ago. “Once upon a time, sweetie, the Republicans were the good guys, and the Democrats were racist cretins. Stuff happened…”
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
12:26 pm
…still looking for those precipitous drop in literacy rates, or some other verifiable metric regarding GA’s public schools, that would justify some massive funding shift.
Still haven’t heard of any, even though I asked nicely, twice, beginning @ 8.09.
I’ll take that to mean the people who support this takeover haven’t a clue. Happy to be proven wrong though.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
12:26 pm
alex — “Mabye those parents who send the kids there and are of limited means will trust that their kids will get a better education because all of of the extracurricular activities that occur in the dysfunctional public schools does not occur and kids can attend to their studies, perhaps, hopefully….”
So basically your policy is Hope & Change, right?
Union
November 30th, 2012
12:26 pm
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:22 pm
wow.. really.. union run websites that want charter schools shutdown.. thats some good evidence.. lets see.. here in atl alone.. cheating scandal.. faculty scandals.. millions and millions of dollars lost and paid to friends.. one of the highest cost per student ratios in the country with the lowest performing results..
shame i can only mention a few.. cause there are thousands…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
12:27 pm
Kam – “HOSTESS HAD 6 CEOS IN 8 YEARS AND NONE OF THEM HAD ANY EXPERIENCE IN THE BREAD OR CAKE BAKING INDUSTRY! TOO BAD THAT WSJ OP-ED PIECE YOU REFERENCED DIDN’T MENTION THAT.”
no … the WSJ didn’t mention that??? say it isn’t so … (and there they were, asking for media to report the entire story)
meanwhile … passed by a bunch of your Chelsea compatriots on my way home the other night … unfortunately, that was the night my boys scored and own goal … oy.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
12:27 pm
You ready for the game tomorrow, sport? I’m psyched! Go Dawgs!!
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
12:28 pm
NoCom
I found out that I’m Black. Oh wait, that was last week… Hell, I don’t remember what I learned this morning.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
12:31 pm
Bro …
when you get tired of Brocephus, will you become Bro Diddly?
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
12:31 pm
Kam
Catch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWK6dQOdri0
I think someone has it for you LOL
RB from Gwinnett
November 30th, 2012
12:31 pm
“What public school does President Obama’s children attend?”
I don’t believe that’s a fair question. Most POTUS have to decide if the security required for their kids works in public schools and opt to put them in private schools if only for that reason. And if Obama has the resources to send his kid to private school, good for him. His kids, his choice.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:32 pm
USinUK
I hear some Blue Lion season ticket holders are a little put out and ripping up their tickets over Rafa taking over the helm.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
12:33 pm
holy moses … RB and I agree on something …
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 30th, 2012
12:33 pm
I support a Constitutional Amendment requiring the children of all Democrats/liberals to attend public schools only.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
12:33 pm
Kam – that’s what happens when you have an owner that doesn’t really care about the team.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
12:34 pm
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
Bro …
when you get tired of Brocephus, will you become Bro Diddly?
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I think he wants this name instead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Zp9t8P8Ws
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:35 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:35 pm
Union
November 30th, 2012
12:26 pm
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:22 pm
wow.. really.. union run websites that want charter schools shutdown.. thats some good evidence.. lets see.. here in atl alone.. cheating scandal.. faculty scandals.. millions and millions of dollars lost and paid to friends.. one of the highest cost per student ratios in the country with the lowest performing results..
shame i can only mention a few.. cause there are thousands…
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“Mention” all you want sport, that is meaningless. Mention Unicorns. Unless you provide some PROOF though it’s meaningless. Sorry, we aren’t FOXBOTS here, we require proof not just ‘I say so.”
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
12:36 pm
when you get tired of Brocephus, will you become Bro Diddly?
I’ve written that one down in my book…. As I owe RW for this moniker, if and/or when I use that one, the credit goes to you.
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NoCom
Not to mention that my short term memory bank crashes every time I see a good looking Delta flight attendant wearing their winter uniform. There’s something about those skirts and knee high boots…..
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
12:36 pm
Georgia has highest number of bank failures from Great Recession.
D@mn Republicans.
getalife
November 30th, 2012
12:37 pm
rb got something right.
Lets celebrate .
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:38 pm
USinUK
Abso-freakin’-lutely.
As much as I despise him, the special one is probably the only one who can stand up to RA, and I hear he wants to come back to England to manage an EPL team.
Ol' Timer
November 30th, 2012
12:38 pm
“The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.” ~Albert Einstein
Redneck Convert (R--and ;proud of it)
November 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
Well, way back there when I was going to a GA school they learnt us good. We need to go back to those times.
getalife
November 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
I will leave the school thingie to the professionals but the cons are not happy around here when some of “those people” are placed in all white classes.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
Brosephus™
Not to mention that my short term memory bank crashes every time I see a good looking Delta flight attendant wearing their winter uniform. There’s something about those skirts and knee high boots…..
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And that’s just the male ones LOL
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
Common … maybe Bro Jackson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO-T8mUF1Xk
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
12:40 pm
I support a constitutional amendment requiring all cons to attend for-profits schools on their on dime.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
12:41 pm
NoCom @ 12:34
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
12:43 pm
And that’s just the male ones LOL
So, very wrong…. Whenever we get a chance to meet, I’m not splitting my Christmas Ale with you. I’m only giving you 2 bottles out of 6 instead of 3.
Hey, Jay...
November 30th, 2012
12:44 pm
…go read Kyle Wingfield’s column for today…
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
12:44 pm
Bro
Lunch time is over so it will have to wait a while before I tell you how WRONG that is.
You guys do know, don't you......
November 30th, 2012
12:45 pm
…that Charter Schools are PUBLIC schools, too?
Erwin's cat
November 30th, 2012
12:47 pm
Fred – YOU are the one who wants to use MY tax money to fund YOUR kid’s private school.
ummm….charters are public
Nero
November 30th, 2012
12:47 pm
Timmy Geithner got laughed out of the “negotiations”. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! The other shoe is about to drop leeches. The Boomers are feeling anxious. Grab your ankles and get ready. It’s coming.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 30th, 2012
12:49 pm
Just catching up here.
Earlier Uncle Samantha posted some inane crap about the HOSTESS situation.
Uncle Samantha, you’re showing your ignorance in saying the situation is exclusively the fault of the unions.
Are you not aware that the executive passed themselves huge salary increases and lavish bonuses right before the company went into bankruptcy a second time?
It was capitalist / corporate looting and predation that led to the demise of that company. Period.
Hiltzik at LA Times has the definitive run-down.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/25/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20121125
Williebkind
November 30th, 2012
12:51 pm
“Bible learnin’ for EVERYbuddy!!!”
Yepper I knew this would come out right after the race card! How will the homosexuals deal with private schools unless you liberals make a private schools for the homosexuals.
Erwin's cat
November 30th, 2012
12:52 pm
It was capitalist / corporate looting and predation that led to the demise of that company. Period
That and producing a product that fewer and fewer people wanted
Union
November 30th, 2012
12:54 pm
@ fred.. proof? here is a novel concept.. read the ajc.. all of the aps issues have been outlined extensively.
google away for your facts.. you seem to be pretty adept..
Williebkind
November 30th, 2012
12:54 pm
“I support a constitutional amendment requiring all cons to attend for-profits schools on their on dime.”
I support a constitutional amendment requiring all progressive liberals to attend a free from indoctination schools on their own dime.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:59 pm
.. proof? here is a novel concept.. read the ajc..
Shorter Union: I got nuthin’.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
1:00 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
November 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
Brosephus™
Not to mention that my short term memory bank crashes every time I see a good looking Delta flight attendant wearing their winter uniform. There’s something about those skirts and knee high boots…..
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And that’s just the male ones LOL
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Ouch, are you bleeding Bro? He landed a solid right to the tip of your nose
http://www.instantrimshot.com
alex
November 30th, 2012
1:02 pm
Well this Charter school issues has pretty much run it’s course: If I may sum :liberals:anything supported by repubs is horrible, corrupt,and racially motivated…Conservatives:anything supported by Dems is horrible,corrupt and racially motivated…
Nobody wants Twinkies…except me…munch,munch
When all else fails see the world in exclusively white/black terms, it’s easy and requires no intelligence.
Next…….
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
1:02 pm
Erwin’s cat
November 30th, 2012
12:47 pm
Fred – YOU are the one who wants to use MY tax money to fund YOUR kid’s private school.
ummm….charters are public
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Yeah they are “public.” this new secret commision though gets to decide who “attends.”
Mince words all you want, but don’t piss on MY head and tell me it’s rain. I’m not an idiot FOXBOT.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
1:02 pm
Fred
That’s why I’m withholding beer from him…. Revenge is best served cold in 12oz bottles.
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Weed Sheetz!!!!!
Nero
November 30th, 2012
1:04 pm
I support a constitutional amendment that all Boomer leeches be taxed a percentage of their retirement benefits to supplement these new charter school budgets, as well as no more school property tax exemptions for the generational thieves.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
1:05 pm
Union
November 30th, 2012
12:54 pm
@ fred.. proof? here is a novel concept.. read the ajc.. all of the aps issues have been outlined extensively.
google away for your facts.. you seem to be pretty adept..
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I do google MY facts sport. It’s your rantings I need proof on and I’m not doing YOUR homework. i know you aren’t used to providing or receiving proof as you seem to be a talk radio/FOXBOT, but the thinking world IS. That’s why you FOXBOTS lost the election.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
1:06 pm
You still upset sport?
Erwin's cat
November 30th, 2012
1:07 pm
Fred – I’m not an idiot FOXBOT.
I never called you a FOXBOT
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 30th, 2012
1:07 pm
I support a Constitutional Amendment that MARTA trains go to all charter schools.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
1:08 pm
0.o – We have multiple sports now! I’m flabbergasted!!
williebkind
November 30th, 2012
1:10 pm
“Are you not aware that the executive passed themselves huge salary increases and lavish bonuses right before the company went into bankruptcy a second time?”
How well did that work out for them today? A promotion for the next year that doesnt come. A bonus is the only thing they may realize if the courts allow it. So are we trying to change the content or meaning as liberals typically do? If a bonus IS really a bonus……
alex
November 30th, 2012
1:10 pm
NOW it’s gotten REALLY childish, please Jay, for the love of GOD!!!…..
Nunna Yobinnes
November 30th, 2012
1:10 pm
Not that this is particularly relevant to the discussion topic, but I just prepared a spreadsheet comparing the 1999 tax rates versus the 2011 tax rates (without LTCG considerations). This should approximately reflect the impact of the “tax cliff”. (I used a MFJ couple with taxable income of 10k, 20k, 30k, 45k, 60k,75k ,90k, 100k, 120k, 150k, 180k, 210k, 240k, 270k, 300k – 1 Mil in 100k increments, 1.25 mil – 5 mil in 250k increments.)
Surprisingly, folks with taxable income of around $75,000 will experience the largest % increase (5.87%), followed by $210k (5.75%), $240k (5.46%) and $400k (5.42%). I think it’s ironic that the ones who will suffer the most as a percentage of tax divided by taxable income (ranks 1 – 3) are the “middle class”. The % increaase for someone with taxable income of $5 mil is only 4.67%. By all means, let’s stick it to the middle class.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
1:10 pm
The MARTA idea is genius!!!
SickofProgs
November 30th, 2012
1:12 pm
Gotta try something different morons. Flushing taxpayer money at these results is insanty.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_does_Georgia_rank_in_public_education_in_the_US
But you idiot libs think that government control and spending solves all problems.
Jim Wynn
November 30th, 2012
1:15 pm
How does this become about race? Charter schools are about improving education in Georgia. That is what the people voted for. If the AJC wants to wallow in racism, I guess it has that right. That does not mean anything except that the rag is racist.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 30th, 2012
1:15 pm
See you cats at the bottom of the cliff.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
1:20 pm
Going over the cliff won’t be so bad despite how much the Chicken Little leeches cry. The sky is not falling.
williebkind
November 30th, 2012
1:21 pm
Where is my free stuff?
Nunna Yobinnes
November 30th, 2012
1:22 pm
Nero – I don’t have an extra $4,400 that I can spare. If you do, great.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
1:30 pm
Sorry Nunna. Look at it as a down payment for the future. We all have to sacrifice. You’ll be used to higher taxes after the cliff anyway. I wish you luck.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
1:34 pm
Sorry Willie. The fat greedy Boomer leeches tend to get overprotective at the trough. Good luck trying to squeeze in. They’ll just end up telling you that you should pay your fair share.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 30th, 2012
1:41 pm
Erwin’s cat: “That and producing a product that fewer and fewer people wanted”
No, I think that’s been vastly overstated, as evidenced by the hundred plus or so interested buyers of all the various Hostess brands that have since lined up.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
1:46 pm
Hostess brands suck. They taste like processed chemicals and preservatives. Little Debbies beats them hands down.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 30th, 2012
1:59 pm
Enter your comments here
hamiltonAZ
November 30th, 2012
2:06 pm
@Konop: given my strong support for the public education system, I probably fall within what you describe as “the cartel” but I like many of the innovative ideas you outlined earlier – things like cross coordination between primary, secondary and post secondary schools. I agree that teach to the test is not productive. But teach to the test is not traditional school. It’s just one of the many ‘new’ ideas trotted out without first determining if it actually helps educate. My opinion of the charter is the same, not because charter is inherently bad, but because with no structure to spend those resources in a targeted way to improve failing schools, it’s a waste of money. Oh, not for the students fortunate enough to be in a good one.
I expect to see failing. Charters soon.
But back to your ideas. The notion of conjoined education (K through Bachelor’s degree, if you will) with an emphasis on individualized assessment by the best teachers. Keep thinking and While you are at it, factor in the idea that resources appropriately targeted to failing schools and state power to intervene when minimum metrics are not met. There’s a better way, but while giving money to for profit corporations to educate children may help some, it’s not the solution to failing schools.
Jethro Bodine
November 30th, 2012
3:44 pm
Gotta love our stinkin landfill Gov. Nathan “Bad Deal”. We in Hall County get a foul smelling landfill thanks to the Gov. and Charter schools which will do nothing to improve our education system, other than putting more money into the “Bad Deals’s” pockets!. Hurray for Georgia, first in Bank Failures; first in home foreclosure’s and last in education— just love living in a red state!
Balls the size of cue balls
November 30th, 2012
4:12 pm
I really like this statement from Brosephus. I’m going to keep it on my desktop and use it whenever I get the chance (which will be as often as I ever post here–which admittedly isn’t much at all)
The GOP will end up with egg on their faces. These things won’t do a damn thing to help education in Georgia, much less education in the Black Community. I want to see how they’re gonna spin things to blame Democrats for the epic failure they’re setting themselves up for.
I reduced it to a format that is applicable to anyone who wants to use it.
The __________________ will end up with egg on their faces. These things won’t do a damn thing to help ____________________________________, much less _________________________ in the Black Community. I want to see how they’re gonna spin things to blame __________________________ for the epic failure they’re setting themselves up for.
Go ahead everyone. Let’s all give it a try, and see what we can argue.
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December 2nd, 2012
9:55 am
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