Will GOP live up to its charter-school promises?
Georgia Republicans are a little giddy — and understandably so — about how easily the controversial charter-school amendment to the state constitution passed last month. Their 17-point margin of victory suggests to them that they now have an education mandate that extends well beyond state-created publicly funded charter schools.
For example, the vote is already being cited as a reason to double an existing program that today diverts as much as $50 million in state tax money into private schools. The transfer occurs through a convoluted process that gives the state no ability to regulate those schools or to hold them accountable in any way. “There is a real taste for anything that promotes school choice in Georgia,” state Rep. Earl Ehrhart, R-Powder Springs, told the AJC. “Obviously voters said that loud and clear. I think the timing is right.”
Republicans are also pleased and a bit startled by the degree of support that charter schools found among black voters in Georgia. As Pulitzer-winning author and charter-school advocate Doug Blackmon points out on his website, counties with large black populations were more likely to support the charter amendment than the rest of Georgia, even though most black political and community leaders publicly opposed the measure.
“That includes DeKalb (54 percent African-American), where the amendment passed with 64 percent of the vote; and Fulton (43 percent African-American), where it was approved by 66 percent,” Blackmon notes, adding that in Clayton County, 71 percent of voters approved the measure.
For some of the state’s more far-sighted Republicans, numbers like that represent a long-sought opportunity. They now have reason to hope that charter schools and the larger issue of school choice will finally allow them to attract black voters to their party. And for a variety of reasons, I hope they prove to be right.
The increasingly race-defined political system in this state — with conservative white people huddling in the Republican Party and everyone else collecting in the Democratic Party — is not good for the GOP and not good for Georgia. Any honest effort to break that pattern has to be applauded.
However, for Georgia Republicans, the charter vote presents more than a political opportunity; it represents an obligation. They told black parents in Georgia that school choice will improve education for their children; they now have an obligation to try to make good on that promise. And frankly, the track record so far isn’t promising. For example, the private-school “scholarship” program championed by Ehrhart and others may march behind the “choice” banner, but it is essentially a tool by which politically influential middle-class and upper-class Georgians tap into taxpayer money to support their own kids’ private-school education.
The test will be interesting to watch. Will the out-of-state for-profit companies that poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into the pro-charter political campaign now open schools in more challenging urban communities, or will they be allowed to cherry-pick the easier to serve, more profitable communities? Will state officials aggressively intervene to shutter those charter schools that do not live up to the promises that have been made?
Or, like the “scholarship” program, will this become another means by which to separate “our children” from “their children”, and by doing so justify the distrust between black Georgians and the GOP?
– Jay Bookman
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USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
11:12 am
“what are you kids going to blame the failure of california on?”
final salary-based pension plans.
skipper
November 30th, 2012
11:13 am
@Union,
Easy! The blame for the failure in California is…………………CALIFORNIA!
DannyX
November 30th, 2012
11:16 am
“what are you kids going to blame the failure of california on?”
California has one of the best education systems in the world. Their education system is feeds hundreds of hi tech companies there with workers.
Speaking of ” a great example of LIBERALISM at work” and California…Apple
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
11:19 am
usINuk must not have read how the TEAMSTERS UNION bankrupted HOSTESS. the BAKERS UNION decided to not compromise so they could find a buyer that would free the company from the TEAMSTERS UNION DELIVERY DEBACLE…………..
EVEN LIBERAL UNIONS understood that the system the TEAMSTERS forced upon HOSTESS was the MAJOR factor in reducing profitability of the company…..
Under new management that can USE THEIR OWN DISTRIBUTION CHANNELS and not the TEAMSTERS one……… both the company and the BAKERS UNION can THRIVE
nice try cupcake
Tundra Dude
November 30th, 2012
11:20 am
Alex wrote:
@Tundra:thanks for the reference, did you read the ENTIRE article with the author pointing out that HE would send his child to a local charter school.
Of course, but he lives in Wash DC. Probably a better choice than the pub schools.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:20 am
Does anyone read Uncle Samantha’s irrational shouted rants?
East Lake Ira
November 30th, 2012
11:21 am
Keep poking folks, I think crazy Uncle Sam is about to pop an artery or two.
No Child Left Behind?
November 30th, 2012
11:21 am
Duncan: ‘No Child Left Behind’ creates failure for U.S. schools
Washington (CNN) — Education Secretary Arne Duncan said Wednesday his department estimates that four out of five schools in the United States will not make their “No Child Left Behind” benchmarks by the law’s target year of 2014 — and when the test scores are counted for the current school year, numbers could show that U.S. schools are already at that failure rate.
He blamed that failure rate on the law itself, not on schools.
“This law has created dozens of ways for schools to fail and very few ways to help them succeed. We should get out of the business of labeling schools as failures and create a new law that is fair and flexible, and focused on the schools and students most at risk,” Duncan told the House Committee on Education and the Workforce.
Under the No Child Left Behind law, originally passed in 2001, all students are expected to meet a level of “proficiency” by 2014. Because standards under No Child Left Behind are higher from year to year as 2014 approaches, the percentage of schools that are not meeting “Adequate Yearly Progress” could rise from the current level of 37% to 82%, Duncan said.
Duncan pointed out that federal law requires states and districts to “implement the same set of interventions in every school that is not meeting AYP, regardless of the individual needs and circumstances of those schools.”
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/09/education.congress/index.html
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
11:23 am
Does anyone read Uncle Samantha’s irrational shouted rants?
Only for sh*ts and giggles…
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
11:23 am
DannyX
November 30th, 2012
11:16 am
“what are you kids going to blame the failure of california on?”
California has one of the best education systems in the world. Their education system is feeds hundreds of hi tech companies there with workers.
Speaking of ” a great example of LIBERALISM at work” and California…Apple
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californina universities…………. EDUCATING THE BRIGHTEST FOREIGN STUDENTS IN THE WORLD………….
but wait………. even liberal magazines see CA’s decline
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/02/california_educations_painful_decline/
and APPLE………… employing 1,000,000 chinese to build products to sell in the U.S. while 15,000,000+ ameicans collect unemployment
nice PR firm
Union
November 30th, 2012
11:27 am
california has one of the fastest growing charter school systems.. i cannot imagine why people would want to do this with such a great system..
apple is a great company.. love the fact that the product markup is 100% at minimum and they have all their product made overseas and get a pass from libs..
usnuk.. dont forget the medical and dental cost for just retired state employees in ca.. in the billions of dollars also.. very nice plans though..
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:27 am
Does Uncle Samantha realize that his pack of Talk radio/FOXBOT lies was the downfall of his party in the last election? Should we tell him/her/it?
John Konop
November 30th, 2012
11:27 am
Snarkysnake,
……….. 1) If you disagree with the education cartel on these pages Or Maureen Downey’s blog), you will be called ignorant, bigoted,a fundamentalist whack job and a lot worse.(I have also noted that “racist” is starting to creep into the more unhinged posts). Be of good cheer; The cartel is seeing their power slip away and they are behaving like spoiled children.If you have kids (especially young teens) you know what I am talking about………..
This is not true! Maureen and I have agreed and disagreed on education issues on her blog. She has always seeks respectful debate on both sides of an issue. I have been harshly attacked on both sides of the debate depending on the issue. But in general most people are rational on both sides. The people with agendas usually have the harshest tones.
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
11:28 am
Y’all quit making fun of Uncle Samatha. He, I mean, she, is clearly confused.
appleseed
November 30th, 2012
11:29 am
Repubs.keeping a promise.Only to their own.
skipper
November 30th, 2012
11:29 am
Brocephus,
Although we disagree politically, if everybody took the interest in their kids you do we would not be on this topic at all………
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
11:30 am
Georgia has the nation’s third-largest rural enrollment and it’s among the poorest performing, according to the Rural School and Community Trust, a Washington nonprofit. While a few rural districts perform well, the study found overall Georgia’s rural students are among the lowest scorers on national exams and their graduation rate is the nation’s second-lowest, behind Louisiana.
It could be worse. We could be compared to Mississippi.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
11:30 am
“must not have read how the TEAMSTERS UNION bankrupted HOSTESS. the BAKERS UNION decided to not compromise so they could find a buyer that would free the company from the TEAMSTERS UNION DELIVERY DEBACLE”
and Auntie Sam must have missed this bit about exec salaries:
CEO salary went from 750K – 2.5M
4 EVP’s salaries nearly doubled
and 3 SVP salaries went up by more than 50%
but. yeah. it was the unions that done Twinkies in.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/hostess.asp
RF
November 30th, 2012
11:30 am
Actually Uncle Sam, Hostess came out of bankruptcy in 2009 due to the 500 MILLION in concessions from unions for REDUCED labor costs (pension contributions cut, insurance premiums raised, etc.). Of the ONE DOZEN or so unions representing various employee groups, the only one who balked at the last round of pay and benefit cuts was the baker’s union. While that one union played an important role, it did NOT shut down the company.
The company projected making 3.1 billion in 2011. It only made 2.5 billion, a loss of 600 MILLION in sales revenue. Believe it or not, labor costs were within projected amounts for that same year. The company failed because it lost market share. People aren’t buying the gooey, fat-laden snacks as much, and they don’t market them nearly as well as others. When was the last time you actually saw a commercial for Twinkies? They didn’t market well, they didn’t innovate, and their staid product line lost consumer interest. They were already on their way DOWN before they tried to impose still more labor cost cuts to try ot put off the inevitable. You can only cut so much from labor costs.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
11:30 am
oh, and what do these Viking executives get for their pains???
Hostess Brands Inc., in the midst of winding down its business, is hoping Thursday that a federal bankruptcy judge approves up to $1.75 million in bonuses for its executives.
The money is intended as an incentive for 19 top-level managers to stay on with the Twinkies and Ding Dongs maker to oversee its liquidation following a battle with its second-largest union.
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-hostess-executive-bonuses-bidders-20121129,0,4339046.story
you want to know what’s killing America??? ^^^^^^ THAT
DannyX
November 30th, 2012
11:33 am
“but wait………. even liberal magazines see CA’s decline”
You didn’t read the article did you Sam? If you did you would have read this…
“This article explains why Californians must vote yes on Prop 30. It will slightly increase the sales tax from 7.25% to 7.5% and increase state income taxes on anyone making over $250K for 7 years to fund public education K-12 and community colleges.”
Voters did approve Prop 30. You raced over to Google to try and make a point and got burned bad.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
11:34 am
“Voters did approve Prop 30. You raced over to Google to try and make a point and got burned bad.”
the phrase that you’re looking for is “hoisted on your own petard”
bwahahaha
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:35 am
skipper
November 30th, 2012
11:29 am
Brocephus,
Although we disagree politically, if everybody took the interest in their kids you do we would not be on this topic at all………
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That’s the core problem skipper. This ISN’T (or SHOULDN’T) be a political issue. It’s all about the kids. this amendment is nothing more than a blatant money grab by the proven thief of a Governor that we have in office. It WAS however sold as a “liberal vs conservative” issue when it is not.
Many of the people who voted for the measure were completely uneducated about it. The way it was worded made the ignorant think thta there were no charter schools in Georgia and no way to redress the issue. That simply wasn’t true.
This amendment now means that the crook gets to appoint some crony to a cushy couple of hundred grand a year job who then decides who to take bribes from to allow a “charter” school to open.
alex
November 30th, 2012
11:35 am
@ Modrate line and some people think that all repubs are greedy SOB’s , can’t worry about those “some” people, although this blog and I am sure others seem to attract uneducated fools. As for Shaft–I can “dig” it !
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:36 am
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
11:30 am
It could be worse. We could be compared to Mississippi.
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Mississippi schools kick Georgia’s ass.
RF
November 30th, 2012
11:37 am
USinUK- AND the judge has already allowed, from what I read, for the company to get out of its pension obligations to retirees, thus forcing the pension fund into the Pension Fund Guaranty Corp. (fed organization managing defunct pensions). Sad state of affairs for pensions these days for a lot of people.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/11/21/pensions-retirement-hostess-bankruptcy/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
11:39 am
Hey Fred
You get that text I sent you last night?
Tundra Dude
November 30th, 2012
11:41 am
They were already on their way DOWN before they tried to impose still more labor cost cuts to try ot put off the inevitable. You can only cut so much from labor costs.
One head baker sez he earned $48k in 2005. He’s now down to $34k. They wanted him to take more cuts, down to $25k in 5 years….sounds like a great future….
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 30th, 2012
11:42 am
poor LIBERALS
“Hostess’s problem, as the bakers point out in bankruptcy filings printed in legible English, and as Hostess management has pointed out in its own equally readable filings, is that Hostess’s valuable parts are held back by Hostess’s high-cost, Teamster-staffed system for moving Twinkies and other delights from production facility to store shelf.” wsj
the more EDUCATED LIBERALS of the BAKERS union understand business……….. TOO BAD THE RANK AND FILE DO NOT
go READ THE FILINGS
alex
November 30th, 2012
11:42 am
@ Tundra..your point…?
@ No child: how do we measure a school’s efficacy then. I ,personally don’t think 1 blanket set of requirements is acceptable.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
11:43 am
Jay
Will GOP live up to its charter-school promises?
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That’s only to be spoke of in quiet rooms with their cronies
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
11:44 am
skipper
It’s all about priorities. My mother raised me to be better, do better, achieve more, and go beyond what she accomplished. Her parents did that to her. I’m simply carrying on in that tradition. When and where I have the opportunity to help others, I have no problem in doing that. I think it’s all a matter of self-confidence and self-awareness.
I have no grand vision of being some multi-billionaire CEO because that’s not the life I want. I value knowledge over money as I’ve personally seen that money comes and goes like the tide, but it’s hard to take away a man’s knowledge once he’s learned something.
Basics
November 30th, 2012
11:48 am
Charter schools have problems succeeding in the communities where they are needed most because of their inability to provide basics like transportation to & from the school for their students. I know the ones around us (& we are in an area where charter schools are far from economically diverse) hold a lottery for bus service & have only 1-2 routes. Not all offer on-site after-school care or other programs offered at Title 1 schools that assist families with parents who are unable to provide homework support. Many charter schools require a certain level of parental involvement, but for lower-income parents who work multiple jobs, for those who don’t speak English, how are they supposed to meet those requirements?
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
11:48 am
Bro
I value knowledge over money
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And yet you come here???????
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
11:48 am
Kam: I forgot to check it. I’ll do it later. The trainer has crippled me, I’m downstairs and can’t make it back upstairs until I recover some more lol.
Soothsayer
November 30th, 2012
11:49 am
I only have a few more years to pay this accursed school tax. I literally can’t wait for that day to come. Then, let them do what they will with the d*amned schools!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
11:49 am
the more EDUCATED LIBERALS of the BAKERS union understand business……….. TOO BAD THE RANK AND FILE DO NOT
HOSTESS HAD 6 CEOS IN 8 YEARS AND NONE OF THEM HAD ANY EXPERIENCE IN THE BREAD OR CAKE BAKING INDUSTRY! TOO BAD THAT WSJ OP-ED PIECE YOU REFERENCED DIDN’T MENTION THAT.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
11:51 am
Fred
I’ll save you some steps. Sooth posted this last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh1g45Afz9s
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 30th, 2012
11:51 am
Uncle Samantha seems to be a product of the current Republican controlled education system.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
11:52 am
Basics @11:48 am
They won’t and thats where the problem lies.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
11:55 am
FOTW — “Uncle Samantha seems to be a product of the current Republican controlled education system.”
Yestiddy him cudn’t spel ‘Koleg Stoodint’ and tuday him am wun!
Tarvaris
November 30th, 2012
11:55 am
“…pleased and a bit startled by the degree of support that charter schools found among black voters in Georgia”
Shouldn’t be. In almost every interview with a brother or a sister leading up to the election they said clearly that they favored charter schools. Why Jay would you find it hard to believe that we want a decent education for our kids too?
Erwin's cat
November 30th, 2012
11:56 am
UGA forecast: state’s economy better than U.S. in 2013
http://www.ajc.com/news/business/uga-forecast-states-economy-better-than-us-in-2013/nTJjZ/
D@mn Republicans
paulo977
November 30th, 2012
11:57 am
Atlanta Mom…..”Sonny really stuck it to the taxpayers of Georgia.” !!!!
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We are long way from being able to figure out the Plantation Owners’ not even so hidden agenda , aren’t we?
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:00 pm
Kam: Funny how he lacks the courage to post here anymore. He stays over to Kyles where Kyle let’s him insult folks, call them names, and then punishes anyone who gives him some of his own back. In other words typical Right wing hypocritical behavior……..
MiltonMan
November 30th, 2012
12:01 pm
Funny to see libs already blaming the cons for the failure of education in this state among urbanites. Please remind us libs how the education system was in this state for 130+ of lib rule??? Also, if the libs are so terrific on the education agenda, how come school districts in heavy democratic agrees suck so bad – APS, Clayton, DeKalb, etc., etc.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:01 pm
Why Jay would you find it hard to believe that we want a decent education for our kids too?
Why do you think that charter schools would live up to the promise of a “decent education”?
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:02 pm
Erwin’s cat
November 30th, 2012
11:56 am
UGA forecast: state’s economy better than U.S. in 2013
http://www.ajc.com/news/business/uga-forecast-states-economy-better-than-us-in-2013/nTJjZ/
D@mn Republicans
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Yeah. Let’s see the final result, not the forecast. We’ve been at the bottom now for about 4 years……….
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
Oh and where is UGA’s business college ranked? 4th or 5th in the STATE?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
M. Man — “Funny to see libs already blaming the cons for the failure of education in this state among urbanites. Please remind us libs how the education system was in this state for 130+ of lib rule???”
If, as conservatives say, ‘throwing more money at schools isn’t the answer,’ then why does y’all’s solution involve throwing more money at *different* schools?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
Fred
He did the suicide by blog thingie here forcing Jay to ban him
Erwin's cat
November 30th, 2012
12:04 pm
Fred – Yeah. Let’s see the final result, not the forecast. We’ve been at the bottom now for about 4 years……….
same could be said about this charter school thingy too
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:06 pm
MiltonMan
November 30th, 2012
12:01 pm
Funny to see libs already blaming the cons for the failure of education in this state among urbanites.
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Well you Republicans HAVE been in control of the State for 10+ years. At what point will you be taking responsibilities for your failed policies? LOL Who am I kidding, you folks NEVER take responsibility.
Oh and Milton man? your talk radio/FOXBOT lies cost you the presidency. Why do you keep repeating them? Will they somehow become true with more retelling?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
12:07 pm
K’Chak — “He did the suicide by blog thingie here forcing Jay to ban him”
I actually got him to talk to me briefly over at Kyle’s back when Jay was on vacation.
I wanted to see how credulous he was on the topic of political polling, so I asked him about poll weighting. He knew that Rasmussen did it and he allowed how it was a good thing and then said he didn’t want to talk to me any more because I was a “disruptive” person.
Waaaaaaal, I guess it takes one ta know one, Buckaroo.
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
12:09 pm
typical lib… when they have no clue, nor can’t ignore the truth, .. they respond with childish name calling
parrot, when you whine and call your blog host a “race baiter,” you have forfeited your right to take the high ground. You certainly have forfeited the right to cry “name caller.”
And by the way, your screen name is gross and trollish, and if you had any self respect, any real interest in discussing issues civilly with those who disagree with you, you would a) apologize for using it, b) pick a new name but clearly state that you used to post as “bookman parrot,” and c) actually think before posting.
But you won’t, I don’t imagine.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:09 pm
Erwin’s cat
November 30th, 2012
12:04 pm
Fred – Yeah. Let’s see the final result, not the forecast. We’ve been at the bottom now for about 4 years……….
same could be said about this charter school thingy too
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Pray tell how? We HAVE Charter Schools. They do very well. What we DIDN’T have was a double nought secret commission controlled by a proven thief to steal money away from local school districts that is NOT answerable to anyone except the thief.
SO you think having a thief with the ability to steal with impunity is somehow going to benefit anyone except the thief and his cronies?
Nero
November 30th, 2012
12:09 pm
Blah blah blah…keep ignoring the “Cliff” leeches. The sweet release of higher taxes for everybody and across the board spending cuts are soon at hand. I’m excited! Anytime the Boomer leeches get hit in the wallet and lose benefits makes me practically giddy!
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:11 pm
The Charter School amendment and it’s idiot cheerleaders= the Titanic is sinking, let’s poke another big hole in the bottom to save it…………
alex
November 30th, 2012
12:12 pm
@ Milton, they can’t they are incompetent but don’t trust the repubs to do better, plain and simple, that is basically what many of these posts say: “Kolig”, “plantation”..
2 Basics, great points, much of the education issue is societal on multiple levels. charter schools is not the only answer and it may just be a small help, but hopefully they will engage a larger part of the population then the public schools. Mabye those parents who send the kids there and are of limited means will trust that their kids will get a better education because all of of the extracurricular activities that occur in the dysfunctional public schools does not occur and kids can attend to their studies, perhaps, hopefully….
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
12:13 pm
Please remind us libs how the education system was in this state for 130+ of lib rule?
I learn amazing stuff from MiltonMan.
130+… years, I presume? of “liberal rule”? in Georgia?
I must research this fact and learn more.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:13 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
Fred
He did the suicide by blog thingie here forcing Jay to ban him
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I’m sure that ban has long been lifted. He’s a coward.
MiltonMan
November 30th, 2012
12:14 pm
“Well you Republicans HAVE been in control of the State for 10+ years. At what point will you be taking responsibilities for your failed policies? LOL Who am I kidding, you folks NEVER take responsibility.
Oh and Milton man? your talk radio/FOXBOT lies cost you the presidency. Why do you keep repeating them? Will they somehow become true with more retelling?”
Failed? What exactly has failed??? I am living well in a low crime, high education, good schools, etc, etc. district regradless of who is in control chief. Sounds like you rely on government hand-outs.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:14 pm
…and then said he didn’t want to talk to me any more because I was a “disruptive” person.
Oh, that is too rich!
Reality_Check
November 30th, 2012
12:15 pm
Republicans must really be gullible. The rhetoric about choice, etc. is just so much BS. Money (Tuition tax credit, For-profit charter schools) is only part of the reason the local right-wingers supported this amendment. The right-wingers were originally part of the John Birch Society, then the Dixiecrats, and now the state GOP. The attitudes are unchanged. The ads showing an African-American child were especially hypocritical. Don’t be surprised if, within 5 years, the NEW charter schools look like the public schools before integration (about 1970). Most of the minorities and disabled students whose families can’t meet the transportation and volunteering requirements will be left in the public schools. That’s the long-term goal.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
12:16 pm
NoCom
To complete the circle of knowledge, one has to know right AND wrong as well as how to differentiate between the two. That’s why Bookman’s is a valuable educational tool.
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If, as conservatives say, ‘throwing more money at schools isn’t the answer,’ then why does y’all’s solution involve throwing more money at *different* schools?
Damn good question. I wish I had thought of that one.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
alex
November 30th, 2012
12:12 pm
@ Milton, they can’t they are incompetent but don’t trust the repubs to do better, plain and simple, that is basically what many of these posts say: “Kolig”, “plantation”..
2 Basics, great points, much of the education issue is societal on multiple levels. charter schools is not the only answer and it may just be a small help, but hopefully they will engage a larger part of the population then the public schools.
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We aren’t talking about Charter Schools. We already HAVE Charter Schools. What we are talking about is Nathan Deals money grab amendment where he appoints a crony to a cushy unregulated, high paying job, who’s function is to manage the bribes for Charter Schools where ever he gets bribed to put them.
Union
November 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
Reality_Check
November 30th, 2012
12:15 pm
Republicans must really be gullible.
you left out the entire state of california… they are moving to charters left and right.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
Hey sport!
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:18 pm
Failed? What exactly has failed??? I am living well in a low crime, high education, good schools, etc, etc. district regradless of who is in control chief. Sounds like you rely on government hand-outs.
No, YOU rely on Government handouts. YOU are the one who wants to use MY tax money to fund YOUR kid’s private school. i pay for my daughter’s private school. I have since Kindergarten. Shame you can’t get in it, but we DO have standards you know…….. brains is one of them.
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
12:19 pm
Please remind us libs how the education system was in this state for 130+ of lib rule???
Now, I see why there is a need to improve education here in Georgia. Georgia, as well as other states in the South, have always been more conservative than the rest of the US. Even wen run by Democrats, the Democratic Party members from the South were more conservative than the rest of the country. To claim that Georgia had 130 years of Lib rule shows how completely ignorant people are to not only the history of the state but the history of our political system as well.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
12:21 pm
K’Chak — “Oh, that is too rich!”
I know, right? You’d have to lock that guy in a tractor-trailer going across country to *keep* him from being disruptive.
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:22 pm
Hell yeah, let’s use California as the poster child for Charter Schools. Just like the Republicans used Ireland as the “best” economic model a few years ago, (we all know how that turned out for Ireland):
http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/2011/11/california-charter-schools-problems.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/23/opinion/la-ed-crescendo-charter-cheating-20120823
Shame I can only link two, there were hundreds……..
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
12:23 pm
Bro
And what did you learn LAST night????
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:23 pm
Nero
November 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
Hey sport!
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Hey Nero. How they hanging?
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
12:23 pm
Even wen run by Democrats, the Democratic Party members from the South were more conservative
for crap’s sake. It’s simple. I taught my kid this years ago. “Once upon a time, sweetie, the Republicans were the good guys, and the Democrats were racist cretins. Stuff happened…”
stands for decibels
November 30th, 2012
12:26 pm
…still looking for those precipitous drop in literacy rates, or some other verifiable metric regarding GA’s public schools, that would justify some massive funding shift.
Still haven’t heard of any, even though I asked nicely, twice, beginning @ 8.09.
I’ll take that to mean the people who support this takeover haven’t a clue. Happy to be proven wrong though.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 30th, 2012
12:26 pm
alex — “Mabye those parents who send the kids there and are of limited means will trust that their kids will get a better education because all of of the extracurricular activities that occur in the dysfunctional public schools does not occur and kids can attend to their studies, perhaps, hopefully….”
So basically your policy is Hope & Change, right?
Union
November 30th, 2012
12:26 pm
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:22 pm
wow.. really.. union run websites that want charter schools shutdown.. thats some good evidence.. lets see.. here in atl alone.. cheating scandal.. faculty scandals.. millions and millions of dollars lost and paid to friends.. one of the highest cost per student ratios in the country with the lowest performing results..
shame i can only mention a few.. cause there are thousands…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
12:27 pm
Kam – “HOSTESS HAD 6 CEOS IN 8 YEARS AND NONE OF THEM HAD ANY EXPERIENCE IN THE BREAD OR CAKE BAKING INDUSTRY! TOO BAD THAT WSJ OP-ED PIECE YOU REFERENCED DIDN’T MENTION THAT.”
no … the WSJ didn’t mention that??? say it isn’t so … (and there they were, asking for media to report the entire story)
meanwhile … passed by a bunch of your Chelsea compatriots on my way home the other night … unfortunately, that was the night my boys scored and own goal … oy.
Nero
November 30th, 2012
12:27 pm
You ready for the game tomorrow, sport? I’m psyched! Go Dawgs!!
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
12:28 pm
NoCom
I found out that I’m Black. Oh wait, that was last week… Hell, I don’t remember what I learned this morning.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
12:31 pm
Bro …
when you get tired of Brocephus, will you become Bro Diddly?
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
12:31 pm
Kam
Catch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWK6dQOdri0
I think someone has it for you LOL
RB from Gwinnett
November 30th, 2012
12:31 pm
“What public school does President Obama’s children attend?”
I don’t believe that’s a fair question. Most POTUS have to decide if the security required for their kids works in public schools and opt to put them in private schools if only for that reason. And if Obama has the resources to send his kid to private school, good for him. His kids, his choice.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:32 pm
USinUK
I hear some Blue Lion season ticket holders are a little put out and ripping up their tickets over Rafa taking over the helm.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
12:33 pm
holy moses … RB and I agree on something …
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 30th, 2012
12:33 pm
I support a Constitutional Amendment requiring the children of all Democrats/liberals to attend public schools only.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
12:33 pm
Kam – that’s what happens when you have an owner that doesn’t really care about the team.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
12:34 pm
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
Bro …
when you get tired of Brocephus, will you become Bro Diddly?
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I think he wants this name instead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Zp9t8P8Ws
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:35 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:35 pm
Union
November 30th, 2012
12:26 pm
Fred ™
November 30th, 2012
12:22 pm
wow.. really.. union run websites that want charter schools shutdown.. thats some good evidence.. lets see.. here in atl alone.. cheating scandal.. faculty scandals.. millions and millions of dollars lost and paid to friends.. one of the highest cost per student ratios in the country with the lowest performing results..
shame i can only mention a few.. cause there are thousands…
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“Mention” all you want sport, that is meaningless. Mention Unicorns. Unless you provide some PROOF though it’s meaningless. Sorry, we aren’t FOXBOTS here, we require proof not just ‘I say so.”
Brosephus™
November 30th, 2012
12:36 pm
when you get tired of Brocephus, will you become Bro Diddly?
I’ve written that one down in my book…. As I owe RW for this moniker, if and/or when I use that one, the credit goes to you.
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NoCom
Not to mention that my short term memory bank crashes every time I see a good looking Delta flight attendant wearing their winter uniform. There’s something about those skirts and knee high boots…..
TaxPayer
November 30th, 2012
12:36 pm
Georgia has highest number of bank failures from Great Recession.
D@mn Republicans.
getalife
November 30th, 2012
12:37 pm
rb got something right.
Lets celebrate .
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 30th, 2012
12:38 pm
USinUK
Abso-freakin’-lutely.
As much as I despise him, the special one is probably the only one who can stand up to RA, and I hear he wants to come back to England to manage an EPL team.
Ol' Timer
November 30th, 2012
12:38 pm
“The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.” ~Albert Einstein
Redneck Convert (R--and ;proud of it)
November 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
Well, way back there when I was going to a GA school they learnt us good. We need to go back to those times.
getalife
November 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
I will leave the school thingie to the professionals but the cons are not happy around here when some of “those people” are placed in all white classes.
Common Sense isn't very Common
November 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
Brosephus™
Not to mention that my short term memory bank crashes every time I see a good looking Delta flight attendant wearing their winter uniform. There’s something about those skirts and knee high boots…..
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And that’s just the male ones LOL
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
Common … maybe Bro Jackson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO-T8mUF1Xk