Support for legalized pot hits all-time ‘high’

Is it still too late to save the Twinkie?

Earlier this month, voters in both Washington and Colorado approved referendums legalizing the use of marijuana, a decision that puts both states in conflict with federal law. The vote wasn’t close in either state, with the measures passing by a 10-point margin.

According to a new CBS News poll, the people in Washington and Colorado have a lot of company. For the first time since 1979, when CBS began asking the question, support for legalization equals opposition, and the trend line is clear, particularly when you look at the demographic breakdowns.

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So far, President Obama has avoided taking a stance on the issue, which puts the federal government in conflict with an increasing number of states (18 have passed medical marijuana laws). Under U.S. law, marijuana is classified as a Schedule 1 drug, in the same category as heroin, morphine and LSD. But at some point in Obama’s second term, congressional action to address that conflict is probably inevitable.

– Jay Bookman

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mm

November 30th, 2012
1:03 pm

As Bob Dylan once sang:

Everybody must get stoned.

Mick

November 30th, 2012
1:04 pm

The second prohabition needs to come to an end. Freedom isn’t totally free, just taxed. With that in mind, wee to the rescue of state budget problems, I know florida could use a hit…

stands for decibels

November 30th, 2012
1:04 pm

couldn’t resist the bunny ear quote in the headline, couldja?

oh well. ’tis the season.

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:05 pm

The feds should tax it too.

Don’t take this revenue stream off the table and cut services.

Fred ™

November 30th, 2012
1:06 pm

Jay, you should be shot for your title lol. It wasn’t very Punny………. ok it was.

stands for decibels

November 30th, 2012
1:06 pm

…actually a little surprised so many self identifying Republicans still oppose legalization. Guess all the ones I know are stoners.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 30th, 2012
1:07 pm

Legalize it and regulate the THC content, as that is the biggest concern that I have. The current product on the market is much more potent than the ditch weed of the past.

Of course there will be a huge push back by the drug testing industry.

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:09 pm

“The current product on the market is much more potent than the ditch weed of the past.”

It is more potent but you can still drive on it and operate machinery.

stands for decibels

November 30th, 2012
1:09 pm

Mick @ 1.04, I’d take any revenue estimates you see from legalization supporters with a grain of salt. Or maybe a bong hit.

Bottom line is, for something that is relatively simple to grow for personal use (and I’d hope most states would elect to make such home-brew-type folks exempt from taxation), you shouldn’t expect much in the way of revenues, and be pleasantly surprised, I guess, if you’re wrong.

Fred ™

November 30th, 2012
1:09 pm

They need a test that will let you know that someone is stoned NOW, not that they have smoked pot sometime in the last 30 days. Until then, I can see a big problem in legalizing it. How will you know if someone is driving or working while stoned?

stands for decibels

November 30th, 2012
1:10 pm

It is more potent but you can still drive on it

I’ve heard outlandish claims about the positive uses for hemp, but a substitute for asphalt? Cool.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 30th, 2012
1:11 pm

Legalize it, tax it, make it more available for legitimate medical use. It’s not my thing, but my wife has a couple of friends who self-medicate with it (cancer in remission). They say it improves their appetite and does wonders for their outlook and emotional/mental state.

Again, it’s not my thing, but if doctors see valid medical uses for it and patients can derive benefit from it, then get it on the market, get illicit dealers out of the way and generate some tax revenue from it.

Brosephus™

November 30th, 2012
1:12 pm

I don’t have a dog in this fight…

Joe Hussein Mama

November 30th, 2012
1:14 pm

SfD — “Bottom line is, for something that is relatively simple to grow for personal use (and I’d hope most states would elect to make such home-brew-type folks exempt from taxation), you shouldn’t expect much in the way of revenues, and be pleasantly surprised, I guess, if you’re wrong.”

My wife would point out to you that you can make your own cigarettes and stogies, too, but that the American tobacco industry still pays a boatload in taxes each year.

I suspect the average lazy stoner would prefer to pick up a carton of Maui Wowees at the QuikTrip on the way home rather than being Captain Rollyerown. :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 30th, 2012
1:14 pm

It is more potent but you can still drive on it and operate machinery.

Yes you can in the sense that it doesn’t physically impair the user, but it’s the level of concentration that I noticed up until I quit five years ago.

And I understand that it has gotten even stronger still.

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:14 pm

“How will you know if someone is driving or working while stoned?”

The South will be the last to legalize it so it is not an issue for y’all.

Fred ™

November 30th, 2012
1:15 pm

Brosephus™

November 30th, 2012
1:12 pm

I don’t have a dog in this fight…
++++++++++++++++++++

Maybe you WOULD if it were legal lol.

Simple Truths

November 30th, 2012
1:16 pm

“But at some point in Obama’s second term, congressional action to address that conflict is probably inevitable.”

No. Congress needs to focus on their budget issues. At their current rate, that alone will take Obama’s whole second term.

Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 30th, 2012
1:16 pm

“How will you know if someone is driving or working while stoned?”

It’ll be the red cheetos marks on their mouse and keyboard….and all over the printer.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 30th, 2012
1:16 pm

I’ve heard outlandish claims about the positive uses for hemp, but a substitute for asphalt? Cool.

Heh, heh, heh.

Fred ™

November 30th, 2012
1:17 pm

I’m like Brocephus. I don’t have a dog in the fight. My lungs won’t allow me to smoke anything any more so even if it were legal I couldn’t partake. To be honest, back in the day, the legality of it was never any concern when I wanted to partake.

They BOTH suck

November 30th, 2012
1:17 pm

getalife

“y’all”?

You moving west or north?

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:17 pm

“And I understand that it has gotten even stronger still.”

Like other drugs, you build up a tolerance .

It does work on chronic pain but not as well as opiates.

Mick

November 30th, 2012
1:18 pm

stands

Simple, the state can charge you a licensing fee to grow your own, everybody’s happy..you..the state…you…your wife…you…your friends…police…home depot and on and on…

Simple Truths

November 30th, 2012
1:18 pm

“but it’s the level of concentration that I noticed up until I quit five years ago.”

Kamchak – Former Toker from the Steppes

stands for decibels

November 30th, 2012
1:18 pm

My wife would point out to you that you can make your own cigarettes and stogies, too,

Point taken. However–I don’t know what’s involved in cultivating tobacco indoors, but I suspect it’d be more involved than the kind of setup needed for typical marijuana use. there’s also the little matter of a rather huge existing not-so-underground network out there ready to supply grow lights and suchlike.

Redneck Convert (R--and ;proud of it)

November 30th, 2012
1:18 pm

Well, I’m against it. People stoned to the gills won’t buy much beer. And that’s bad for my job and my 401k. If you want to get a buzz on then do it the way everybody else does. Go buy a case of PBR and guzzle for awhile. But don’t go killing the jobs of good honest beer truck drivers. If you don’t know how to drink good somebody can show you.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 30th, 2012
1:18 pm

Finn — “It’ll be the red cheetos marks on their mouse and keyboard….and all over the printer.”

Can you imagine the snack food tie-ins? Instead of collecting Camel points for jackets and lighters, you’d collect dope points for Papa John’s pizzas, Doritos and Pop-Tarts. :D

Oh and a lighter. Also.

Brosephus™

November 30th, 2012
1:18 pm

Maybe you WOULD if it were legal lol.

Nah, I’m trying to ensure my liver doesn’t turn to concrete. I don’t wanna risk needing a lung transplant too. :)

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:19 pm

“You moving west or north?”

If I could ever sell this house, moving west in a legalized medical weed State.

F. Sinkwich

November 30th, 2012
1:19 pm

I want my free O’bozo-doobies.

Now.

Thomas

November 30th, 2012
1:19 pm

Really stupid idea other than it 100% makes since from a social, economic, and health care perspective.

The Economist correctly stated a few years ago if marijuana was just discovered it will be hailed as the discovery of the decade.

I have been a complete failure as a leukemia bone marrow transplant patient who was pumped with morphine, percocets, and oxycotin hourly promoting marijuana as a very logical alternative.

Brosephus™

November 30th, 2012
1:21 pm

I’ve heard outlandish claims about the positive uses for hemp, but a substitute for asphalt? Cool.

I could see the end of road rage during summertime then. Imagine all those drivers inhaling the steam coming up off the roads after a storm. :lol:

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:21 pm

stands,

It takes about 2 grand to grow medical weed. Some folks make it a hobby.

Erwin's cat

November 30th, 2012
1:21 pm

Fred – I’m like Brocephus. I don’t have a dog in the fight. My lungs won’t allow me to smoke anything any more so even if it were legal I couldn’t partake.

you can cook/bake with it easily

Fred ™

November 30th, 2012
1:21 pm

If I could ever sell this house, moving west in a legalized medical weed State.

Are you actually IN New Orleans? On a parade route? Hell, I’ll make you an offer lol.

GT

November 30th, 2012
1:21 pm

This is one of those things the government knows they are wrong in but have done so much damage trying to execute the law that to back away would drown them in eggs. I listened to a debate the other night on the subject, the pro and cons. The cons worked an argument absent of the reality this drug war is a failure. They hung it all on the harm it would do the participates, who today have no problem getting illegal drugs, without engrossing into that argument the larger harm it is doing our citizens even the ones not participating. The harm it is doing our neighbors to the south, to afford us our habits. And now we are not even sure you have the majority of American voters favoring this ban. The BOP is the largest item on the justice department’s budget. 80% of the BOP is filled with drug offenders. The resources above this are astronomical; DEA, FBI, Coast Guard and they are still losing. This is another right wing bailout that needs to stop. You can’t make or even will the world the way you want it to be, or even think you have a copyright on being right. One of the reasons the drug war is a lost cause is no one here believes in it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 30th, 2012
1:22 pm

Kamchak – Former Toker from the Steppes

:lol:

Regnad Kcin

November 30th, 2012
1:22 pm

Redneck – an up-tick in cotton-mouth won’t hurt beer sales… :D

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:22 pm

Bro,

Weed smoke does not hurt your lungs.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 30th, 2012
1:23 pm

getalife — “If I could ever sell this house, moving west in a legalized medical weed State.”

My wife’s from coastal Oregon, and she’d tell you to move to Portland, Eugene or Salem.

From what she hears; things are getting a little crazy and competitive in northern CA (Humboldt County and environs), but that it’s still mellow farther north.

F. Sinkwich

November 30th, 2012
1:26 pm

“If I could ever sell this house, moving west in a legalized medical weed State.”

I didn’t realize it was so difficult to leave Section 8.

Peadawg

November 30th, 2012
1:27 pm

Obama and the feds need to take Marijuana off the list of Schedule 1 drugs and stay out of this one. But I doubt they will…

williebkind

November 30th, 2012
1:27 pm

If pot becomes legal, would that create laws to force employers to hire people who stay high on or off the job?

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:27 pm

Fred,

“Are you actually IN New Orleans? On a parade route?”

A small town about 90 miles away.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 30th, 2012
1:27 pm

Here’s a post I made on the previous topic. As that topic is now essentially abandoned, I thought I’d share it with you, you lucky rascals.

November 30th, 2012
1:10 pm
Not that this is particularly relevant to the discussion topic, but I just prepared a spreadsheet comparing the 1999 tax rates versus the 2011 tax rates (without LTCG considerations). This should approximately reflect the impact of the “tax cliff”. (I used a MFJ couple with taxable income of 10k, 20k, 30k, 45k, 60k,75k ,90k, 100k, 120k, 150k, 180k, 210k, 240k, 270k, 300k – 1 Mil in 100k increments, 1.25 mil – 5 mil in 250k increments.)

Surprisingly, folks with taxable income of around $75,000 will experience the largest % increase (5.87%), followed by $210k (5.75%), $240k (5.46%) and $400k (5.42%). I think it’s ironic that the ones who will suffer the most as a percentage of tax divided by taxable income (ranks 1 – 3) are the “middle class”. The % increaase for someone with taxable income of $5 mil is only 4.67%. By all means, let’s stick it to the middle class.

Well, that’s gonna set me back about $350 – $400 a month. Great.

See you cats at the bottom of the cliff!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 30th, 2012
1:27 pm

Mick

November 30th, 2012
1:27 pm

fred

In california they are very creative with the weed ingredient, they serve it in brownies, m&m’s..you name it…great 3 hour buzz no lung damage..just stress relief..

They BOTH suck

November 30th, 2012
1:29 pm

“I didn’t realize it was so difficult to leave Section 8.”

Because you never thought of moving

;-)

Peadawg

November 30th, 2012
1:29 pm

“If pot becomes legal, would that create laws to force employers to hire people who stay high on or off the job?”

Are there laws to force employers to hire people who stay drunk on and off the job?

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:31 pm

Joe,

Good advice.

Mick,

It last about 5 hours if smoked but eating it is better for patients.

williebkind

November 30th, 2012
1:31 pm

Look at Jay’s picture! Does he not look stoned to the bone?

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:32 pm

The feds should leave it up to the States but get a cut of the revenue.

Now is the time.

Mick

November 30th, 2012
1:34 pm

getalife

I had a brownie once that was “slipped” on me…best damn five hours of reflection and nirvana mother nature can provide…

williebkind

November 30th, 2012
1:34 pm

“Are there laws to force employers to hire people who stay drunk on and off the job?”

Nope. What is that got to do with POT?

Fred ™

November 30th, 2012
1:35 pm

Fay Blackburn

November 30th, 2012
1:35 pm

Looking at the CBS chart, there’s a simple solution: limit the vote to those under the age of 65 and those of any affiliation other that GOP. That solves it.

Fat Boy

November 30th, 2012
1:37 pm

With my Multiple Sclerosis and my Glaucoma, I could get the stuff legally in 18 states — but not Red State Georgia. If the Feds leave it up to the states, maybe my great, great grandchildren MIGHT be able to get it legally in Georgia if the have a medical need.

Forget it for recreational use – even if Washington and Colorado show a tax windfall over the next few years.

Peadawg

November 30th, 2012
1:38 pm

“Nope. What is that got to do with POT?”

IMO alcohol and pot are very similar in what they do/affect and pot should have very similar laws as alcohol (age limit, etc.).

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:39 pm

Mick,

We use to eat them at school. Everything had a red tint so I looked in the mirror and my eyes were bloodshot red. Visene is needed.

alex

November 30th, 2012
1:39 pm

@Mick , perhaps that contributes to the cali economy……no one is stressed that they arebankrupt.. perhaps that is a good thing.. just don’t try to do business there, unlesss silicon valley where everyone is buzzed from over work…”all the leaves are brown……”

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:42 pm

They have it in syrup form they give kids with cancer.

getalife

November 30th, 2012
1:44 pm

alex,

California’s economy is improving at a very good pace.

They have a competent governor again.

Erwin's cat

November 30th, 2012
1:46 pm

Nunna are those %’s of income?

If I’m taxed @ 25%, an increase of another 5% of my income is a 20% tax increase

Nunna Yobinnes

November 30th, 2012
1:48 pm

Tax increase as a percentage of taxable income.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 30th, 2012
1:52 pm

For example, with taxable income of $10,000 the tax increase is $501. The increase in effective tax rate is 5.01%.

Class of '98

November 30th, 2012
1:57 pm

I vote Republican but am 100% in favor of pot legalization. Any conservative who says they believe in individual liberty but opposes legalization is a hypocrite.

It seems to me the vast majority of those opposed to pot legalization have never done it. Alcohol, especially liquor, is MUCH MUCH MUCH more harmful and dangerous. I speak from experience.

alex

November 30th, 2012
1:59 pm

@ getalife, your a data guy, please provide data for your statement and include a list of cities in the usa that have gone into bankruptcy. Can’ t remember a competent cali govenor for a few decades and that includes JERRY,JERRY…. There is no doubt that the recent passage of the increase taxation rate , etc. may improve the solvency of the Cali schools, that chapter (as far as I know) has not been written….Finally the red tint.. welcome to the 60’s and i’ll throw in a coupla 70’s and a Cheech (sp?)and Chong LP…….

Goldie

November 30th, 2012
2:01 pm

“Le-gal-ize it… don’t crit-i-cize it!” A more benign drug than any alcohol or pharmeceutical drugs we Americans consume every day!

:)

DannyX

November 30th, 2012
2:01 pm

Legalize pot??? What’s next, marrying an animal??!!!!????

Class of '98

November 30th, 2012
2:02 pm

getalife, weed smoke DOES hurt your lungs. It’s an urban legend that it does not. Any smoke you inhale damages your lungs. Smoking pot leaves lots of resin and tar on pipes, bongs, etc. That stuff goes into your lungs also. That’s why vaporizers are very popular nowadays.

It’s not as bad as cigarette smoke, but it is harmful.

It still needs to be legalized. This is supposed to be a free country.

Jim Beam

November 30th, 2012
2:02 pm

Me and my pals Jack Daniels, Johnny Walker, Jose Cuervo, and Evan Williams all think it’s a bad idea. It’s akin to reverse prohibtion in our book!

Mick

November 30th, 2012
2:03 pm

alex

Why does everyone always forcus on california? How’s the great state of texas doing with its 15 billion deficit? A low wage, right to work state by the way…

getalife

November 30th, 2012
2:03 pm

Class of ‘98 ,

You are correct.

alex,

Bankruptcies is not the numbers I am looking at but their economy is not the issue.

The red tint was caused by the friend that put way too much weed in his brownies.

tm

November 30th, 2012
2:05 pm

At least people will stop complaining about the dangers of second hand smoke.

Nero

November 30th, 2012
2:05 pm

Leagalize it and then tax the s*** out of it! Specifically mandate that all taxes collected on it go to debt/deficit reduction. No general fund revenue. Make the FDA quantify any and all medical benefit claims. And label the product as such. I’m tired of the leech stoners whining about needing their “medicine”. Be honest. I’m certain that some sick people get much needed relief from it use. However, most proponents are absolute frauds. They just want the freedom to get high. Fair enough. Stop hiding behind the medicinal excuse. Other than that, blaze up.

getalife

November 30th, 2012
2:07 pm

Class,

Wrong. My lung scans are clean.

Lee

November 30th, 2012
2:07 pm

If they had legalized it about a year sooner we might could have saved Twinkies from going bankrupt.

Just sayin’….

GT

November 30th, 2012
2:07 pm

peace love dove

the cat

November 30th, 2012
2:07 pm

Huh. I just assumed most of the bloggers on here were already stoned.

Nero

November 30th, 2012
2:09 pm

Hostess brands taste like crap. Chemical and preservative aftertastes. Little Debbies are far superior.

Redneck Convert (R--and ;proud of it)

November 30th, 2012
2:11 pm

Well, I’m for Free Innerprize and just think of all the Free Innerprize people this thing would put out of business. Right now we got folks with grow lights and setting up pot farms in the woods and their gardens and the only reason they do it is to make money. But if the stuff is made legal the price will drop and these folks will have to come up with another way to use their brains because there won’t be as much money in it.

Save Private Innerprize, I say.

Union

November 30th, 2012
2:11 pm

you know to keep a republican from smoking all your pot? bring along another republican.

Nunna Yobinnes

November 30th, 2012
2:12 pm

Does this mean that the “Old Tyme Pottery” is going to be adding a new product line?

Mick

November 30th, 2012
2:12 pm

Nero says-

“blaze up”

Mr. Holmes

November 30th, 2012
2:12 pm

How much of the 65+ opposition do you think stems from resentment that weed wasn’t legal when they were young enough to really enjoy it? :)

Nunna Yobinnes

November 30th, 2012
2:13 pm

Nero, to each his/her own. I prefer the taste of Hostess sweetened chicken fat and sponge cake to Little Debbies myself.

alex

November 30th, 2012
2:14 pm

Oh yes it’s the issue…… Data, Data..
Why do we focus on Cali? because the surfs better and the women are more beautiful …sheesh.
Austin is just fine , just built a 750 million dollar track…….will bring in all those Euros..

Best Line of the day to Lee, ..I’ll go buy some Kryspy Kreme stock…..

Class of '98

November 30th, 2012
2:14 pm

getalife, have you ever noticed all that black gooey stuff that collects in any smoking apparatus you use? That stuff also goes in your lungs. I’m not going to argue with you about whether or not inhaled smoke does damage to lung tissue. Of course it does. Educate yourself.

Mick

November 30th, 2012
2:17 pm

class

Getalife probably has a nice bong or vaporizer, he’s a democrat and knows how to use it…

Mick

November 30th, 2012
2:20 pm

nero=zero

No, never was to begin with, just noticing the ironic…keep blazing away…

the cat

November 30th, 2012
2:20 pm

Well I am a middle aged blue dog liberal and I am totally opposed to anything other than medical use marijuana. I don’t want some stoner coming at me in a vehicle impaired due to smoking weed. The azzhats driving around town are already bad enough thank you very much.

Jay

November 30th, 2012
2:24 pm

Nero, if you come here just to provoke fights, take it elsewhere.

Nero

November 30th, 2012
2:24 pm

Mickey,

I’m a Libertarian not a Bookman sycophantic leech. Ingest whatever drug you want. Just keep your greedy Boomer hands off my wallet.

MANGLER

November 30th, 2012
2:24 pm

Let Liggett, Phillip Morris, and R J Reynolds, convert their tobacco operations into hemp operations. They already own food, beer, and textile companies under their umbrellas, it makes perfect sense. Then you’d see smokeless pot cigs marketed to ease the 2nd hand worries.

FrankLeeDarling

November 30th, 2012
2:27 pm

I worry less about people driving under the influence of pot
Than people driving under the influence of any number of powerful pesception drugs
Xanex loritab ect. I don’t see anyone wording about testing for that

nobodyyouknow

November 30th, 2012
2:27 pm

I’m in my 70’s and have never smoked pot. But if they can legalize pot and keep it under control as how its manufactured,”what the ingredients are”. And get tax funds from it, go for it. This country needs all the revenue it can get.

MANGLER

November 30th, 2012
2:29 pm

Cat, stoners already come at you while driving. As do drunks, the unlicensed, as well as people all pilled up on prescriptions. You can tell the stoners though, they’re the ones going 25 instead of 75 on surface streets.

Mick

November 30th, 2012
2:30 pm

nero

Self deportation to an uncharted island would be your best bet. My boomer hands have not collected one red cent – yet…

Buzz Belle

November 30th, 2012
2:31 pm