I come to note ‘Taxby,’ not to praise him
NOTE: This includes material published here earlier in blog posts and comments. It is posted here as the electronic version of today’s AJC column.
The last thing Saxby Chambliss needs right now is praise from some liberal. Not with his fellow conservatives already deriding him as “Taxby.” Not with a 2014 primary challenge looking more and more threatening.
So with that in mind, I’m going to resist the temptation to laud Georgia’s senior senator for saying that maybe, just maybe, the nation’s best interests will be served by a budget deal that both raises tax revenue and curtails projected spending.
Nor will I publicly applaud Chambliss for saying that when the time comes to cut a deal, he won’t feel bound by a pledge that he signed some 20 years ago to never raise taxes. Twenty years ago, a lot of things were different. Chipper Jones had yet to play a game in an Atlanta Braves uniform, “Wayne’s World” was the hot new Hollywood comedy, Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas and, most importantly, the federal debt was less than a quarter of what it is today.
Most of all, I won’t dwell on the fact that with a newly re-elected Democratic president, an expanded Democratic majority in the Senate and a shrunken GOP majority in the House, Republicans aren’t exactly in position to play “my way or the highway” on the budget. It might be emotionally satisfying to take that stance, but as a matter of political strategy and patriotism, it would be counterproductive.
I could make that point, but I won’t.
Instead, I’d like to point out some political realities to those on the right who seem so eager to try to “take out” Chambliss and use his scalp to frighten other conservatives who might wander a bit from the straight and narrow. Recent history says such lessons have a way of backfiring.
To some degree, the anger that is being directed at Chambliss is a sign of conservative confidence here in Georgia. While Mitt Romney lost to Barack Obama by four percentage points nationally, he carried Georgia by eight, which is a healthy margin. While demographic changes pose a long-term threat to GOP dominance, Romney’s performance suggests that in the short- to medium-term, Georgia will remain a red state. That all but guarantees that Chambliss would win in the 2014 general election.
Those who want to challenge Chambliss from the right take that argument a step farther. They believe that the GOP’s natural advantage in Georgia would allow them to hold Chambliss’ seat even if Chambliss himself is booted from the ballot. But that is far from certain. In fact, if Chambliss were to lose in the Georgia primary to somebody attacking him from the right, all bets would be off. The 2014 Senate seat then becomes winnable for the Democrats, particularly if they put up the right candidate. (And yes, given the depth of the Democratic bench, that’s a significant “if”.)
But look what happened elsewhere this year:
— In Indiana, longtime Sen. Richard Lugar lost in the Republican primary to a hard-core conservative who defined compromise as Democrats giving in to Republicans. Indiana Republicans told themselves that it didn’t matter, not in a state that Romney went on to win by 10 points, outperforming what he did here in Georgia.
The Democrats won the Indiana Senate seat by five points.
— Romney also carried Missouri by 10 points. Again, that should have been more than enough to ensure that the Republicans would win that state’s Senate seat. Again, they lost and lost badly. Their ultra-conservative candidate — an incumbent congressman — was beaten in that deep-red state by 15 percentage points.
— The most compelling example was perhaps North Dakota. Romney carried the state by 20 percentage points, yet the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate — again, an incumbent conservative congressman — nonetheless managed to lose the race for an open seat.
In those states and others, Republicans made the mistake of believing that they could safely pursue ideological purity without risking rejection at the ballot box, and Democrats were more than happy to teach them otherwise. If given the chance, I suspect Georgia Democrats would be more than happy to teach that lesson once again.
– Jay Bookman
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godless heathen
November 28th, 2012
8:12 am
(Could have had a firstie, but read the column instead.)
The “true conservatives”, aka the right wing nut jobs better just fall in line with the new world order of higher taxes and ever-increasing Federal spending or they will be banished to the wilderness.
As they say, it takes a lot of hay to feed the herd.
Moderate Line
November 28th, 2012
8:14 am
If given the chance, I suspect Georgia Democrats would be more than happy to teach that lesson once again.
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“That we do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history.” Aldous Huxley
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
8:14 am
“Yeah, this is a story of a famous dog
For the dog that chases its tail will be dizzy.”
–Thomas “Funkadelic” Jefferson
All the writing in the world will not stop the ideological purity quest….
George P. Burdell
November 28th, 2012
8:19 am
This is all just another sign of the turmoil going on in the current GOP, similar to what the Democrats went through in the 80s. I was flipping radio channels yesterday and happened to hear Erick Erickson talking about all the people and organizations that have expressed an interest in him running for Senate against Saxby. Even the fact that someone like him is mentioning it is pretty disturbing to me. The social conservatives have taken hold of the party and will not tolerate any sort of compromise even with fiscal conservatives such as myself. They honestly think that most moderates that are right leaning on social or fiscal ( or both) issues will accept their leadership rather than the Democrats. I’d rather have a slightly left leaning Democrat, especially on fiscal issues, than one of these loons any day. Until they figure that part out, they will continue to lose power even in places where there is no reason they should. In the meantime, governments at every level are going bankrupt and there is no compelling reason for anyone to try and fix it if they want to retain their power.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
8:20 am
Yes, GOP, tack farther right.
Please oh please oh please
bookman parrot
November 28th, 2012
8:20 am
i am jay and i have tunnel vision and can only praise the lib party line; i will never agree with anything the conservative ever present; as i am too open-minded for that LOL
Moderate Line
November 28th, 2012
8:21 am
It is interesting to criticize Republicans for purifying the party when Obama relied pretty much on partisan politics to when the election. Romney won Republicans and Obama won Democrats. Independents voted for Romney 50-45 according to exit polls
TBone
November 28th, 2012
8:21 am
If our elected bafoons are truly interested in deficit reduction we’d tie $1 spending cuts for every $1 in revenue. But as Harry Reid so aptly said they have cut all they can so we can all get our wallets out now.
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
8:24 am
It is interesting to criticize Republicans for purifying the party when Obama relied pretty much on partisan politics to when the election.
Both parties play “partisaned” politics. If your stats are correct, then that says a lot about the number of Republicans vs the number of Democrats. If Romney took more independents and still only came up with 47% of the popular vote, then the GOP needs to take a look at the message for once instead of the ideological purity.
Even Lindsey Graham realizes that the supply of “Angry White Men” is dwindling…
weetamoe
November 28th, 2012
8:28 am
Yeah, dems, Obama wants you to teach them a lesson, as Bookman says. *Get in their faces; bring a gun to the fight.* Send those naked gays and lesbians to storm Boehner’s office. Don’t expect the thug in chief to do his job. He’s got a buncha people –be a shame if they accidently trip you with those jack boots.
Cherokee
November 28th, 2012
8:28 am
Nice try, Jay, and you’re correct of course.
But you’re trying to get people who think that Sarah Palin is our savior, to think logically.
Won’t happen till they lose a few more elections.
Dirty Harry Reid
November 28th, 2012
8:30 am
No matter…Obama is going to be impeached soon for the coverup and lying!
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 28th, 2012
8:30 am
Only the sadly naive prefer Democrats stealing your wealth over the Republicans.
The good news is that the majority of Georgians are voting for NEITHER silly corrupt political party.
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Southern men the thunders mutter!
Washington bureaucrat hot-air in South winds flutter!
To arms! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!
Send them back your fierce defiance!
Stamp upon the coerced alliance!
To arms! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!
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Forward Liberty!
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indigo
November 28th, 2012
8:31 am
Saxby has not managed to get elected and re-elected all these years by being stupid. He and his powerful political experts have done the research and concluded the best way for him to stay in office is to say a budget deal is what’s best for America.
If his advisors had told him he needed to be a hard Tea Party conservative, you may be sure that would be the line he’d be taking.
It’s all about staying in office. The actual needs of the people don’t mean jack squat to him.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
8:32 am
weetamoe
Are you suggesting that Obama sent the naughty naked protesters to the Speakers office?
Now that’s a phone call that would be funny as hell.
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
8:32 am
Even Lindsey Graham realizes that the supply of “Angry White Men” is dwindling…
Off topic, but a funny bit (from 2010) I stumbled upon (h/t wiki), emphasis mine:
While the energy of Graham’s intellect is hard to dispute, the nature of his “vision” is another matter. As his press office never tires of pointing out, the American Conservative Union awarded Graham a lifetime rating of 90. The antitax Club for Growth views Graham less heroically, ranking him dead last among Republican senators and below 12 Democrats and independents.
Still, such benchmarks seem as bygone as clap-o-meters and mood rings in a day when conservatives will savage one of their own for having the effrontery to characterize the president of the United States as “a good role model” or “an American just as much as anybody else.” Graham made both comments on “Meet the Press” in March. His greater transgression, however, has been his willingness — even eagerness — to seek common ground with Democrats. For his sins, Glenn Beck termed the senator Obama Lite, while Rush Limbaugh labeled him Lindsey Grahamnesty. Less tame are the blogosphere monikers, like “Miss Lindsey,” that play off of Graham’s never-married status. During a South Carolina Tea Party rally this spring, one speaker created an uproar by postulating that Graham supported a guest-worker program out of fear that the Democrats might otherwise expose his homosexuality. (Graham smirked when I brought this up. “Like maybe I’m having a clandestine affair with Ricky Martin,” he said. “I know it’s really gonna upset a lot of gay men — I’m sure hundreds of ’em are gonna be jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge — but I ain’t available. I ain’t gay. Sorry.”)
Alex
November 28th, 2012
8:33 am
doubt a repub would loose in Georgia, but the examples are influential thinking.
Regardless, compromise is the order of the day, good for Saxby–leads the way to 2014
@Granny,that would really help the COUNTRY are you really such a partisan moron or did fla. just cook your grey matter….sheeesh, move along,get in the conversation…..
alittlecommonsense
November 28th, 2012
8:35 am
Jay believes raising the debt limit is so obviously necessary that Republicans should do it without asking for any concessions. Many Republicans believe that cutting spending is so obviously necessary that Democrats should do it without asking for any concessions. Jay excoriates Republicans for this. Jay needs to take off his partisan goggles once in a while.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
8:36 am
Alex
Please adjust your shorts….the bunch appears to be affecting your normally cheerfull disposition.
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
8:39 am
Jay believes raising the debt limit is so obviously necessary that Republicans should do it without asking for any concessions.
let me get this straight–you think that any time there’s an *opportunity* to threaten to f-ck things up, the Republicans should threaten to f-ck things up? And this should happen every time?
that’s your idea of responsible governance?
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
8:42 am
“that’s your idea of responsible governance? ”
Yep. Here’s how it works out: in the past the Congress passed spending bills, but didn’t say where the money was going to come from. Now the time to pay those bills is due and in order to borrow the needed money they said MUST BE SPENT, they are going to hold America’s credit rating hostage.
Simple!
Alex
November 28th, 2012
8:42 am
MY right cheek or my left cheek….?! Hi Ho Hi Ho it’s off to coffee I go…
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
8:43 am
“…with a newly re-elected Democratic president, an expanded Democratic majority in the Senate and a shrunken GOP majority in the House,…”
Jay, this is not true. I just got back from unskewedresults.com and the Republicans clobbered the Democrats. Come January Republicans will control the Presidency, House and Senate.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
8:43 am
That’s nice. But completely left out of this account is the possible “game changer” that would accrue to Saxby’s benefit were he to have played a role in dealing a death blow to the remaining pillars 20th C welfare state, the Big 3, through deep cuts in return for gimmicky revenue moves that don’t touch the current top marginal tax rates.
Grover Norquist is not the only pole of power in the Republican constellation. At a different, though not really opposite, pole there is also Simpson-Bowles. Right now there is a shifting going on in the public fronts in these alliances, but if Chambliss plays a role in getting to a “grand bargain”, he will gain a feather in his cap even if some back home cry foul.
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
8:45 am
I just got back from unskewedresults.com
That “unskewed” guy is gonna be the gift that goes on giving, I see.
Jay
November 28th, 2012
8:46 am
“Jay believes raising the debt limit is so obviously necessary that Republicans should do it without asking for any concessions.”
Absolutely I do. Let me put it to you this way. What if Obama told House Republicans, “I will refuse to sign a debt-limit increase until you raise tax rates on the wealthy. Because after all, everything has its price.”
How would that be any less ridiculous than what Boehner has done?
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
8:48 am
“Jay believes raising the debt limit is so obviously necessary that Republicans should do it without asking for any concessions.”
Here’s a question for alittlecommonsense, since Republicans never funded the two wars they started or their socialist Medicare Part D, how do they plan on paying for them without raising the debt limit?
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
8:49 am
Republican Puritanical Principles shall spell the GOP’s demise. To that end, Republicans need to hunker down. I suggest calling up Tom Price and Paul Broun to do battle alongside Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor. The four of them shall venture into the DC wilderness on a quest, following Ryan’s yellowbrick road map, for each one’s holy grail. Tom Price is in need of a brain while Paul Broun could definitely use some courage. As for Paul Ryan, a heart would do the poor boy good and Eric just needs to find his way back home so he can hike his leg on a familiar tree.
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
8:49 am
At a different, though not really opposite, pole there is also Simpson-Bowles.
It’s clinging to the same pole. only Simpson and Bowles are two bitter, horrible OLD men who hate Social Security; Norquist is merely a bitter, horrible MIDDLE-AGED man who hates Social Security.
markie mark
November 28th, 2012
8:50 am
I heard an interesting stat yesterday, wonder if its true – if the democrats succeed in raising taxes on the top wage earners, it will fund the government for ….wait for it…..8 days. Folks, I dont think we can “revenue” our way outta this. Spending cuts will have to do the heavy lifting, because I dont think that taxes can be raised to the point that it makes a significant dent in the debt load without wrecking the economy…..
But I am sure to have 47 kazillion responses telling me how wrong I am…..(and to cut off the “8 day” excoriating, I am not saying thats true….but even if its 50% true? we still in deep trouble)
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
8:51 am
Conservatives need to clear out and let the fall from the cliff run it’s course……..Dems/Libs own it as they do the media that will portray blame other than where it belongs…….back off and give them the keys …..it’s the only way now. Prepare to survive the rebuilding of a country…. or countries?
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
8:53 am
“…or countries?”
The the south will fund its new civil war with tax cuts.
Bob Loblaw
November 28th, 2012
8:54 am
The State Party should move to squelch these idiots from the TEA Party and the right wing, big-government “social” conservatives that believe getting knocked up by a rapist is a gift from God. Do that, or face the same thing Indiana, SD & MO has: a Democrat. It can happen. If I’m a Democrat that’s run a statewide campaign in the last 4 years, my antenna is up and I ‘m awaiting Dr. Price’s decision. So long as 37% of the women are showing up to vote for Democrats because of the “rape” issue, the base for a Democrat to win is there. Pin the right-winger down on immigration, agriculture and other issues sensitive to independents and it can be done.
Or, we could have Saxby. Doesn’t that sound better?
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 28th, 2012
8:55 am
As far as debt negotiating…………with a bunch of Chicago thugs and sleaze-ball Southern progs…………………………………………………………….I never signed nothing.
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Forward Individual Sovereignty!
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
8:55 am
it will fund the government for ….wait for it…
I don’t have to–I hear some variant of this old saw approximately twice a day on the intertubes.
Williebkind
November 28th, 2012
8:55 am
Off the cliff we go hi ho hi ho off the cliff we go liberals cannot lead and do hot know how to follow hi ho.
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 28th, 2012
8:56 am
Nor would I sign ……………anything with federalies.
JohnnyReb
November 28th, 2012
8:56 am
While the results of the various races cannot be denied, there is a lot of debate on why. For me, I’m still trying to figure out how Obama stole the election. That’s right – stole it, as he certainly did not win it based on his performance. And, his personal appeal is less than zero with most conservatives including those who did not vote.
Obama appeared a loser even before Romney was chosen. Over 30 states had voted against gay marriage. Consistenly polls showed around 60% against Obamacare. Relecting Obama would be supporting gay marriage and ensuring Obamacare took deeper roots. The economy was/is in the toilet; debt is at historical highs. Conclusion – Obama could be not be elected dog catcher. This means he stole the election while too many conservatives did not vote thinking their vote did not matter as Obama was out regardless.
As to the senatorial races, we simply did not have the right candidates. Supporters lost sight of winning the battle but loosing the war. We lost the war, but have dug in for another fight.
How Saxby actually votes will determine his fate. If he votes for what ends up being a cave-in to Obama, he will not be reelected.
Williebkind
November 28th, 2012
8:56 am
Obama wants to raise taxes on the middle class and rich so he can give out free stuff.
alittlecommonsense
November 28th, 2012
8:57 am
Absolutely I do. Let me put it to you this way. What if Obama told House Republicans, “I will refuse to sign a debt-limit increase until you raise tax rates on the wealthy. Because after all, everything has its price.”
Well, I think that is pretty unlikely. Obama threatening to cut off his own supply of taxpayer dollars to spend. That’s like my five year old threatening to refuse to eat dessert unless we cave in to his demands. Just not going to happen.
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
8:57 am
DannyX…….civil war?…..now why would you assume something terrible like that?
oops
November 28th, 2012
8:57 am
meh. I’d vote for Dubose Porter over Saxby, or most other Republicans, any day.
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
8:57 am
marky, I’ve had a change of heart. You seem genuinely upset, when you write:
“but even if its 50% true? we still in deep trouble”
No, we are not. The “debt crisis” is a fabrication.
Please read this.
http://www.alternet.org/economy/8-facts-prove-our-govt-not-going-broke?page=0%2C1&paging=off
thanks.
Alex
November 28th, 2012
8:57 am
Note to Jay, the president is probably starting from that position, WHAT did happy valley do for you. Come on man. Are they replacing JOE Pa’s statue with you in a similar pose, forward–to the barricades….You NEEd to spend some time in D.C. ( i have)
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
8:59 am
“if the democrats succeed in raising taxes on the top wage earners, it will fund the government for ….wait for it…..8 days”
Now you need to post the one about “if we tax the rich at 100% it won’t do anything to pay down the debt”…’cause we haven’t heard that one in…OH…12 hours or so.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
8:59 am
Here’s the “Anticipate this post of the Day” repeatedly being made heads up:
Obama as Christ painting now on display – http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/obama-as-christ-painting-now-on-display
And don’t forget the WND favorite: Rob the vote. THE BIG LIST of vote fraud reports
108% of voting population endorses Obama http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-big-list-of-vote-fraud-reports
feller
November 28th, 2012
8:59 am
anyone read Catch 22-the loyalty oath
JohnnyReb
November 28th, 2012
9:00 am
I understand idiology prevents hard left Moonbats from supporting anything from the Right, and vice-versa.
What I don’t understand is Jay, et al supporting Obama to the death when he does stupid things like going out on the campaign trail instead of working with Congress to fix the current mess.
Such moves by Obama supports my theory that he is a puppet. Someone else is pulling the strings.
Alex
November 28th, 2012
9:00 am
@DannyX, Malcom is gone…welcome to the new millineum….
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
9:02 am
Don’t worry about falling off the cliff, cons. All of your amassed bills litter the ground at the bottom and they will buffer your impact. Now you get to start paying for all those freebies you got from Bush and Co. because we know you cons would not even think about pawning off your debts onto your children and grandchildren, now would ya.
markie mark
November 28th, 2012
9:05 am
Stands, thanks for the response….however, you want me to feel better because of an article written by Les Leopold? A liberals liberal? thanks, but no.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
9:06 am
alittlecommonsense:
I’m assuming your point is based on the assumption that it’s actually Republicans who want to rein in spending. Which of course is utterly, demonstrably false. Any reviewing of budgets over the past 32 yrs since the Reagan shift will show without a doubt that it is the Republican party that is the spendthrift party and the Democrats who are the party of fiscal consolidation and conservatism.
So your whole premise is fatally flawed.
Alex
November 28th, 2012
9:06 am
@tax, No, we would not, thanks, I plan on leaving my kids with paid for college for their kids…..No bills here, no debt here. Believe in pay as I go……Thanks , forward,,,,,,next up……
curious
November 28th, 2012
9:07 am
Dirty Harry Reid
November 28th, 2012
8:30 am
“No matter…Obama is going to be impeached soon for the coverup and lying!”
What’s the coverup and lie?
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
9:07 am
“Malcom is gone”
Malcom in the Middle has been off the air for years, what’s your point?
Aquagirl
November 28th, 2012
9:07 am
Relecting Obama would be supporting gay marriage and ensuring Obamacare took deeper roots
The Gay Agenda infiltrated the Hoveround factory and placed a self-destruct chip set for election day in every single wheelchair.
Muhahahahahahahahahhhhhhhaaaaa!
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
November 28th, 2012
9:08 am
WooHoo! Paul Broun for Senate 2014. LOL
markie mark
November 28th, 2012
9:08 am
Doggone, because we/you have seen that before, does it invalidate it? has anyone done the math?
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 28th, 2012
9:09 am
Good grief, let Saxby do his job. If things improve then he can take credit, if things don’t improve then he’s toast. Just like any other elected official, you vote for him/her based on their performance and what the other person’s chances are of doing better. Never vote for party purity because you’ll end up with the bottom of the barrel in office.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
9:09 am
Keep Up – 8:59 – gah. feel like I need a shower after reading the commenters on WND … it’s almost as bad as Not-so-Bright-bart … (speaking of … did you see this little bit of deliciousness??)
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/19/The-Onion-Goes-Anti-Semitic
straitroad
November 28th, 2012
9:10 am
“How would that be any less ridiculous than what Boehner has done?”
Jay, because tax rates are not our problem. Spending is the problem. If tax rates are raised, and we maintain our current level of spending, the problem will remain. Obama has absolutely no intention of reducing our deficits or our debt, although he said he would by reforming entitlement spending.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
9:11 am
The cons are truly amusing. According to their pre-programmed messages, taxing the rich essentially does nothing more than pay for a few week’s worth of government but eliminating social security will fix the debt. There’s one minor little insignificantly tiny detail missing from that talking point though. Republicans only want to eliminate the social security benefits–not the payroll taxes.
Well, the Republican base isn’t exactly noted for its mathematical prowess either.
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
9:12 am
dB @ 8:32
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Jay believes raising the debt limit is so obviously necessary that Republicans should do it without asking for any concessions.
Well, it’s not only Jay that believes that. The entire House GOP voted for Ryan’s budget, and there’s that whole thing about increasing the debt limit to more than $23 Trillion that’s imbedded in that legislation. So, it seems that all of DC knows that the debt limit will exceed $20 trillion at some point in our near future, regardless to any “concessions”.
Cosby
November 28th, 2012
9:12 am
Taxby is a typical politician and the reason term limits are needed. As far as “taxing the rich” it has been noted that if you took everything the so called “Rich” have the wonderful Federal Government could operate for maybe a month. This country has a spending problem and I would love it if we got off this talking point of Taxing the Rich and had serious discussions of “SPENDING” which is the real cancer on the society. This Tax the Rich is like treating a cancer patient for a cold. Stupid, plain Stuoid and all you can do Jay is beat up Republicans without addressing the real problems..but then you are a porduct of the moocher gerneration – I am not responsible for my own actions and the Government will take care of me. You contribute to the one liners as Tax The Rich without discussing the true problem. Personally, even though I will be hurt personally, I hope the idiots in DC blow it and push the USA off the cliff and then I am going to laugh even though I will be in a world of hurt..but the moocher class will then be forced to wake up..tired of all the BS from DC to the news…It is the Spending stupid
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
9:14 am
As far as “taxing the rich” it has been noted that if you took everything the so called “Rich” have the wonderful Federal Government could operate for maybe a month.
Doggone
It was stated a bit differently, but there you go. As predictable as “Old Faithful”.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
9:14 am
And Alex claims he’s not going to leave any of that government debt left unpaid.
How many tax cuts does it take to pay off each trillion in debt, Alex. Is the answer behind door number one, two or three.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 28th, 2012
9:15 am
Well, I don’t know about you, but I’m voting for the guy with the “R” after his name. If that’s Saxby, so be it.
Have a good hump day everybody.
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
9:15 am
Depressing bunch of comments this morning. And somewhat scary.
Better have a cup of coffee, maybe that will help.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
9:15 am
“supporting Obama to the death when he does stupid things like going out on the campaign trail instead of working with Congress to fix the current mess”
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight … because everyone knows that Congress wasn’t running for reelection
oy, so much stupid so early … I expect that kind of comment after the righties start drinking …
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
9:15 am
JohnnyReb
November 28th, 2012
9:00 am
I understand idiology prevents hard left Moonbats from supporting anything from the Right, and vice-versa.
What I don’t understand is Jay, et al supporting Obama to the death when he does stupid things like going out on the campaign trail instead of working with Congress to fix the current mess.
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Same question to you big fella…
What’s the problem with “we the people” being involved in this discussion?
You some kind of communist?
markie mark
November 28th, 2012
9:15 am
Stands, here is an article by these two guys…maybe a tad more critical than someone who espouses the viewpoint of the left on everything from Huffington Post to any thing else I can find about him…
Tino Sanandaji is an affiliated researcher at the Institute of Industrial Economics and holds a PhD in public policy from the University of Chicago. Arvid Malm is chief economist of the Swedish Taxpayers’ Association and holds a master’s in economics from the Stockholm School of Economics.
This is a discussion of the effects and the revenue that will be raised by “taxing the rich”
http://www.american.com/archive/2011/august/obamasfollytaxingtherich/
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
9:15 am
Republican statistics are made up on the spot 101% of the time.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
9:17 am
“Jay, because tax rates are not our problem. ”
actually they are.
as are deductions.
and loopholes.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
9:18 am
JohnnyReb: “The economy was/is in the toilet; debt is at historical highs. Conclusion – Obama could be not be elected dog catcher. This means he stole the election..”
Wow, you’ve got it pretty bad there don’t you kiddo. That’s some serious delusion there. Lol.
markie mark
November 28th, 2012
9:18 am
and Brosephus….the same question for you….because you have seen it worded in different ways, does that invalidate the concept? I am trying to find where someone has run the numbers to see if this is true or not. I have repeatedly said I dont know….the difference between me and you and doggone is that I am searching for the answer, you guys are just demogogueing the question.
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
9:19 am
Taxing the rich. You guys make it sound as if they are going to be executed.
The discussion is about raising the top rate by four per cent.
It will raise some revenue to help with the deficit but is not going to take anyone’s life savings.
And an increase of that amount will have no negative impact on the economy.
Get a grip.
Brad Steel
November 28th, 2012
9:19 am
Isn’t Cynthia McKinney looking for a job?
Sean
November 28th, 2012
9:19 am
IN and MO senators lost because they talked about “fetus club” ( first rule of fetus club is not to talk about fetus club ). Republican vote got split based upon that issue. Republicans are pretty much uniform on tax issues.
Although the ND senate race is a great example. She was a democrat who actually ran on supporting Obama care and had great ads explaining why. Too bad many other democrats didnt follow her lead.
markie mark
November 28th, 2012
9:19 am
got to go to work, will check back later (hopefully for some adult answers to the actual question)
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
9:19 am
straitroad: “Jay, because tax rates are not our problem. Spending is the problem”.
The diametrical opposite is the truth.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
9:20 am
markie mark – the publication for the AEI???
dude. seriously???
oh, yeah. they’re not biased.
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
9:21 am
Wow, you’ve got it pretty bad there don’t you kiddo. That’s some serious delusion there. Lol.
_____
I took that for sarcasm. Could not have been real, could it. Surely not.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
9:22 am
straitroad: “Jay, because tax rates are not our problem. Spending is the problem”.
Spending is not really a problem at all. Period.
Even Jay Bookman here – good reasonable liberal that he is! – still falls into this trap a bit, like the Democrats as a whole, by even conceding that it’s a somewhat concerning problem, if not a 3-alarm fire that requires all hands on deck.
But the truth is that spending per se is not really a problem at all.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
9:22 am
” Could not have been real, could it. Surely not.”
you obviously don’t know JR
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
9:22 am
Isn’t Cynthia McKinney looking for a job?
_____
She would be an improvement over Saxby. Yes, he is that bad.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
9:23 am
“She would be an improvement over Saxby. Yes, he is that bad.”
honey, no one is that bad.
JohnnyReb
November 28th, 2012
9:23 am
Granny and USinUK – Obama is off to Pittsburgh or some place to give a campaign type speech supporting his position on the cliff. The election is over, he won. A Barry speech where then a bunch of Liberals call their representative is not going to amount to a hill of beans. He ran for leader. He should stay in Washington, work with Congress, and be one. The problem is, there is no teleprompter for leading.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
9:24 am
By the way, how are those Bush tax cuts working out for your cons. Are you rich yet. Created any jobs yet. I mean, you’ve had since 2003. How long does it take for a tax cut to work its magic.
curious
November 28th, 2012
9:24 am
Why would we want to increase taxes on the super wealthy?
they’re already contributing so much like joining the military along with Romney’s sons and like so many posters here.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
9:25 am
“supporting Obama to the death when he does stupid things like going out on the campaign trail instead of working with Congress to fix the current mess”
I’m not sure I understand this. President Obama is showing good leadership by having these meetings. Back in the day, the men I commanded always did better when they knew what the plan was and how I was going to implement said plan. President Obama is telling us what his plan is and how he intends to do it. This is a good thing. Agree or disagree, he is being very Presidential.
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
9:26 am
honey, no one is that bad.
________
And you obviously don’t know SC. (smile) I don’t know how to make those little yellow faces.
straitroad
November 28th, 2012
9:26 am
“The diametrical opposite is the truth.”
The federal government has enough money. I haven’t heard a good argument for why it needs more. Balancing the budget as most states do would solve the problem.
Alex
November 28th, 2012
9:26 am
@ taxpayer, see oscar above, I’m with him I have no problem with a tax raise for the top 2 % if it helps, I’ll pay more, but concessions are also needed, such as packing krugman off to sweden or granny back to Fla.:MIAMI
@ danny, you’re excused……….class dismissed……kindly fasten your seat belt……
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
9:27 am
Some cons even think that President Obama is on the campaign trail. Still in denial over the election results.
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
9:27 am
Obama is off to Pittsburgh or some place to give a campaign type speech supporting his position on the cliff.
Good, I hope it is in or near some purplish district where he can put the screws to some GOP Congrefsman and threaten to carpet-bomb the district with TV ads calling the guy a child molester, if he doesn’t cooperate.
That’s how stuff gets done.
oops
November 28th, 2012
9:28 am
thanks to obama, Canada could become a tax haven.
The top tax rate in Canada is only 29%, which will be a cool 10% cheaper than Obama’s tax rates.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
9:28 am
“Obama is off to Pittsburgh or some place to give a campaign type speech supporting his position on the cliff”
your grasp of details is overwhelming.
yes. he did run for leader … and part of that job is to put his argument before the people of the country.
eddy
November 28th, 2012
9:30 am
Will someone please explain the purpose of taxing the top 1% more? We all know that it will NOT reduce the deficit nor will it fund the government’s daily operating expenses for more than a week. So, what is the purpose?
I watched a CNN interview with Robert Reich last night……he wouldn’t answer the question but relied upon his talking points “increase the revenue to the government and reduce the deficit”…..both statements are true (at least the increase the revenue part) but the deficit is increasing at a rate greater than the income stream derived from the tax increases. So again, what’s the purpose?
Just a wild guess on my part…”punish the rich for being successful”. That’s all. Once punished with tax increases the Democrat base will feel so good but it will not do anything to improve the financial chaos of the country. Back to business as usual.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
9:30 am
I know yet another way to help pay down the debt. Jobs. Didn’t some party campaign on jobs a few years back.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
9:31 am
Oscar: “The discussion is about raising the top rate by four per cent.”
True enough, but to really understand the fanatical determination of those refusing to see the rate rise you have to step back and look at how ideological regimes operate. And one of the major ways they function is through a sense of inevitability. It’s really as simple as that. And if the rates rise, that will mean an end to an anti-tax offensive that has been underway since Bush’s tax cut in the narrow view, but in a larger sense even going back to Reagan (remember that even Bill Clinton was more of a fulfiller of Reagan’s basic policy thrust than one who rolled it back). The conservatives simply can NOT allow that to happen under any circumstances. It’s all about the signal that would send, with an error coming to an end.
JohnnyReb
November 28th, 2012
9:31 am
Occupation – if you think Obama won the election on merit, you are off in a different universe. Just for fun, please tell us one new thing he put forward during the campaign that would fix the debt? You can’t, because he did not. His whole campaign was I need more time to do more of the same, and Romney is a bad guy.
There is also suspension of reality as to the outcome of the vote. Sure Barry had a big electoral college win, but got less than 51% of the popular vote.
No, he won the election because of the campaign tactics, not merit.
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
9:31 am
however, you want me to feel better because of an article written by Les Leopold? A liberals liberal?
I had never heard of the man before I saw that particular piece so I guess I’m a pretty lousy liberal.
In any case, it’s not the article itself, but rather the statistical analysis that I wanted you to look at. For example:
If Germany’s debt/GDP ratio is very similar to ours, why aren’t the Germans constantly playing chicken with one another trying solve their “debt crisis”? Could it be they are intelligent enough to realize they don’t have one?
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
9:32 am
I haven’t heard a good argument for why it needs more.
__________
Then you have not looked in depth at our budget. Defense, medicare, medicaid and social security account for 70 per ecnt of our budget. That’s ten per cent more than we take in.
If we eliminated everything else, we would still have to borrow money.
We need to make cuts and raise revenue both for the numbers to work.
straitroad
November 28th, 2012
9:34 am
eddy,
Kudos to you if you can get a honest, direct answer to your question on this board that isn’t filled with emotion and childish remarks.
DebbieDoRight - Go Ahead, Make My Day....Do You Feel Lucky?
November 28th, 2012
9:34 am
godless: (Could have had a firstie, but read the column instead.
That’s what you’re supposed to do godless! Whats the point of posting (FIRST!), if you don’t have anything to say afterwards?
SoCoBro: “Yeah, this is a story of a famous dog
For the dog that chases its tail will be dizzy.”
These are clapping dogs, rhythmic dogs Harmonic dogs, house dogs, street dogs
Dogs of the world unite!
Dancin’ dogs
Yeah, countin’ dogs, funky dogs…
Nasty dogs…
(Dog)
indigo: Saxby has not managed to get elected and re-elected all these years by being stupid
Debatable. He IS getting re-elected in Jawja. You know, the state that’s 48th outta 50th on the intelligence monitor?
AquaGirl: The Gay Agenda infiltrated the Hoveround factory and placed a self-destruct chip set for election day in every single wheelchair.
Girl — you need some holy water thrown on you!! I’m going to call Redneck Convert to see if he could get in contact with the right Rev. Jim Bob Bruice to see if he could set up an exorcism for you!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
9:35 am
eddy, why bother explaining it to you. If you have not done your research and looked at all the available information, you are intentionally choosing to be ignorant. If you have kept up, then you just don’t want to accept any information other than your own position so no amount of explanation will “convince you”. Now if you have a specific question about a particular point, then be a responsible adult and post that question.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
9:35 am
” Didn’t some party campaign on jobs a few years back.”
you misunderstood them … you heard jobs … they mean vagina.
curious
November 28th, 2012
9:35 am
A big reason our economy is lagging is; Uncertainity.
Until Congress (both parties) get serious and stop this gridlock, no rational business is going to make the investment necessary to get the economy rocking.
often, even a bad plan is better than no plan.
straitroad
November 28th, 2012
9:35 am
Oscar,
All of those items that you listed should be reduced until spending matches revenue. There is enough waste in each of them to be eliminated.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
9:35 am
Johnny Reb
You are a commie!
How funny is that!
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
9:36 am
Welcome – The slippery slope argument. I get your point.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
9:36 am
How much added revenue has been generated by the 2003 and 2005 Bush tax cuts to date? A ball park number will do. Just round it to the nearest trillion and don’t forget to include the appropriate sign in front of the result–a + sign for positive net added revenue or a – sign for negative net added revenue. Anyone? A link to an AEI document perhaps.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
9:37 am
eddy: “Will someone please explain the purpose of taxing the top 1% more? We all know that it will NOT reduce the deficit nor will it fund the government’s daily operating expenses for more than a week. So, what is the purpose?”
It’s simple. See my 9:31.
It’s about sending a signal to capital that ever diminishing rates on its income growth is not inevitable.
It’s really very deceptively simple, but holds true perfectly if you think about it.
If that bubble-like sense of inevitability is pricked, then it is hard to predict what other demands will be made on capital, and it knows it. That’s why its minions in the Republican party will go to their political deaths to preserve the current rates, which are at laughably low rates historically.
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
9:38 am
straitroad – Don’t think the numbers support your statement. But, I already said that, so I should not repeat myself.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
9:38 am
you misunderstood them … you heard jobs … they mean vagina.
I think you’re just probing for a witty response.
Mick
November 28th, 2012
9:38 am
reb
What new spending is obama proposing? Romney or ryans plan would have done nothing to tame the defict, probably made it worse with the tried and failed tax cuts as their main medicine.
No, we have to start somewhere and that is recouping lost revenue started by irresponsible tax cuts…
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
9:40 am
markie mark
I could care less abou tthe concept because nobody’s suggesting we tax the rich at 100% other than conservatives who bitch about that. My idea would be to gradually raise the rates back to where they were before Bush and his Congress hacked them. At the same time, I would cut spending back as the economy improves.
eddy
November 28th, 2012
9:41 am
To Keep Up the Good Fight…..I just posted a rather simple question. Please give a poor lost soul like me the courtesy of answering the question rather than obfuscating with your cute but pointless remarks.
Robert Reich couldn’t but I guess you are so well informed that you can as your post implies. Have at it…
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
November 28th, 2012
9:41 am
Heard Taxby on NPR interview this morning. He was asked straight up how raising the tax rate 1-3 percentage points on only the income above 250k for a 300k earning small business would result in that business laying off staff or not adding staff. The interviewer noted that an increase on the tax rate of the 50k above 250k from 36-39% would only result in an additional tax of a couple thousand dollars (1,500 to be exact).
Instead of answering the question, Taxby rambled on 2 talking points about tax reform, which would result in the same business owner paying more taxes, and growing the tax base. There was a hint of concession that his fictitious small business owner could afford to pay more taxes but he never did answer the question.
http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=166054190&m=166054228
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
9:42 am
No, we have to start somewhere and that is recouping lost revenue started by irresponsible tax cuts…
well no, we don’t. This is driving me slightly insane, I realize, but we DO. NOT. NEED. TO. SOLVE. THE. IMAGINARY. “DEBT CRISIS”. NOW.
We need to build stuff and get people to work and get them insured, first.
We need to get the economy growing at a decent rate.
And then we need to look at what we can afford to trim and who we can tax in a manner in which they’ll actually notice (and no, hitting up incomes above 250K at a teensy tiny increase is not something most people are going to really notice, so you WATB apologists for the ruling class know where you can stick your complaints. That tiny little tax hike might as well happen right now. It’s a nice little bit of change that we can put to use on stuff we’ve already committed to.)
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
9:42 am
JohnnyReb: “Occupation – if you think Obama won the election on merit, you are off in a different universe”
Logic, my friend. Logic. I never said anything at all about merit in Obama’s case, which I personally consider to be very shaky at best. I simply said your assertion doesn’t follow logically.
In our two-party system “merit” has at best only a passing significance in the matter of who wins in a contest between two parties who alternate in power ever 4 or 8 years.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
9:46 am
No matter…Obama is going to be impeached soon for the coverup and lying!
Whatever gets you through the day.
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
9:47 am
http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/11/08/cbo-joins-crs-in-finding-almost-no-economic-impact-from-letting-high-end-bush-era-tax-rates-expire/
letting the payroll tax cuts expire will cost 0.7% GDP and 800k jobs…so the CBO says…
Regnad Kcin
November 28th, 2012
9:48 am
“Tino Sanandaji is an affiliated researcher at the Institute of Industrial Economics and holds a PhD in public policy from the University of Chicago. Arvid Malm is chief economist of the Swedish Taxpayers’ Association and holds a master’s in economics from the Stockholm School of Economics.”
MM – you’re gonna believe folks from Europe and Chicago? I’m shocked, shocked…
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
9:48 am
Obama won because the voters judged him to be the most qualified of the two candidates. Simple as that.
Alex
November 28th, 2012
9:50 am
@ welcome, sure there will be people who will not change and so be it, just as there will be liberals who want to give up nothing. Can’t satisfy everybody. Remember there are a lot of people who did not vote, Hopefully they believe in compromise, let’s hope. Camel’s nose uner the tent, slippery slope, sure..But sometimes there are changes thsat are necessary…..
@ stands…yep this is a multivariate equation. RULING class: says get back to work…..
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
9:51 am
Why is the GOP complaining about the President taking the issue to the people?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/28/1165281/-Poll-Strong-support-for-Obama-s-tax-plan-opposition-to-GOP-plan-to-cap-deductions-and-cut-Medicare
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
9:52 am
letting the payroll tax cuts expire will cost 0.7% GDP and 800k jobs…so the CBO says…
Not surprising–that is what you risk doing when you raise taxes on vast numbers of people who are already in challenging financial straits. The payroll tax hits everyone who works, after all.
Did you happen to read the rest of that piece?
Aquagirl
November 28th, 2012
9:52 am
No, he won the election because of the campaign tactics, not merit.
Just when you thought the cons had exhausted all available pouting points, they dig another one from their fertile imaginations.
Fascinating.
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
9:54 am
Regnad, markie
Tino could have just said ‘don’t raise taxes on job creators’ and
saved him some time typing and me some time reading.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
9:54 am
“Just when you thought the cons had exhausted all available pouting points, they dig another one from their fertile imaginations.”
because evidently, there is a sliding scale of Presidency, depending on why people voted for you.
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
9:55 am
Did you happen to read the rest of that piece?
yes, I wasn’t taking a jab at either side….
DebbieDoRight - Go Ahead, Make My Day....Do You Feel Lucky?
November 28th, 2012
9:55 am
Usink: you misunderstood them … you heard jobs … they meant vagina.
I am SO stealing that one from you. Sorry.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
9:56 am
eddy: To Keep Up the Good Fight…..I just posted a rather simple question. Please give a poor lost soul like me the courtesy of answering the question rather than obfuscating with your cute but pointless remarks.
http://ctj.org can be your friend to overcome your ignorance
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
9:57 am
yes, I wasn’t taking a jab at either side….
I kinda thought not, just wondering.
In principle, I HATED the idea of stimulating the economy via a payroll tax cut. I want Americans to have literal buy-in to their FICA/Med; I think that’s worked as designed for nearly 70 years now. But having managed to get that wee bone to throw to the working class, I don’t like the idea of taking it away when unemployment is still as high as it is.
(if that makes any sense.)
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
9:59 am
DDR – 9:55 – happy to share
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
9:59 am
Well I see that DDR and USinUK are still progressing with their emasculating war on men.
Leave it to Beaver is now Leave it to Cleaver. 
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
10:00 am
(if that makes any sense.)
I think I agree
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
November 28th, 2012
10:01 am
The final line for me to cross in complete alienation from the right was my recognition that Obama is not a leftist. In fact, he’s barely a liberal—and only because the political spectrum has moved so far to the right that moderate Republicans from the past are now considered hardcore leftists by right-wing standards today.
GOP economist Bruce Bartlett
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
10:02 am
I thought Beaver’s last name was Cleaver.
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
10:02 am
Keep 9:59
and the war on women has certainly uncovered the vagina power
in national politics…
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
10:02 am
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
9:59 am
That’s funny when you consider that his full name was Beaver Cleaver…Maybe the GOP should adopt it as theirs…
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
10:04 am
“That’s funny when you consider that his full name was Beaver Cleaver…”
Actually, his name wasTheodore Cleaver. Beaver was his nickname
Regnad Kcin
November 28th, 2012
10:04 am
“My idea would be to gradually raise the rates back to where they were before Bush and his Congress hacked them. At the same time, I would cut spending back as the economy improves”
BRO – that makes so much sense, I have difficulty understanding why conservatives don’t agre…
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
10:04 am
Apropos nothing currently under discussion, I realize I am a horrible person for finding this funny.
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
10:05 am
“I have difficulty understanding why conservatives don’t agre…”
It’s this: “raise rates” – that’s all they hear
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
10:05 am
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
November 28th, 2012
10:01 am
I’ve always thought of president Obama as more of an “Eisenhower Republican” than a Liberal…
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
10:05 am
Taxby hopes you come to vote taxby, not to praise him.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:05 am
“emasculating war on men”
look, all I want is autonomy over my reproductive rights, equal pay and the occasional use of the remote.
is that so much to ask?
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
10:07 am
USinUK
No remote.
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
10:08 am
“Taxby hopes you come to vote taxby, not to praise him”
After hearing the interview on NPR this morning? Not a chance. He’s not “willing” to raise tax rates at all, though he’s open to raising “revenue” … but ONLY if there is “significant” entitlement changes
Alex
November 28th, 2012
10:08 am
Another opinion from the dismal science, next…Oh, Dr. Phil, welcome….
Lot’s of gynecologists today..stirrups, please…..
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
10:09 am
is that so much to ask?
_________
We better discuss what you mean by ocassional use of the remote. Sounds like going down a slippery slope to me.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
10:09 am
Why is the GOP complaining about the President taking the issue to the people?
Because they’re idiots?
Morality?
November 28th, 2012
10:09 am
Obama is all MOUTH…… has no clue of how to deal with the upcoming Fed debt disaster. Backing off from the fiscal cliff is not about how much you can confiscate from the so called wealthy – it’s about how much will have to be CUT from Fed gub’ment SOCIALIST programs. I have offered to bet my house against Jay’s that the Nanny Pelosi and Hairy Weed led Obama administration will not have the Fed debt ONE cent lower at the end of Obama’s final term than it is today. Put up or shut up.
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
10:10 am
“Because they’re idiots?”
More likely because they’re afraid they’ll hear back from their consitutents…wanting to know why those ideas can’t be done.
Aquagirl
November 28th, 2012
10:10 am
look, all I want is autonomy over my reproductive rights, equal pay and the occasional use of the remote.
In other words, total emasculation.
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
10:11 am
“has no clue of how to deal with the upcoming Fed debt disaster”
Sure he does. Just because you don’t agree with him doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a clue. He just has DIFFERENT clues.
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
10:11 am
Doggone/GA
I think that’s going to be the position of most Republicans
agreeing to a tax increase.
Dirty Dawg
November 28th, 2012
10:11 am
If I win the PowerBall I’m gonna find me a bright, articulate, informed, progressive, man or woman, to run for Max Cleland’s old Senate seat…too bad Max won’t run again cause he’d be a shoo-in. Of course I’ll probably have to take the Secretary of State’s office to court to make sure those Diebold-made voting machines don’t ’steal it again’ – or better yet, bribe em to ‘flip it’ for my candidate. The 2014 election will make it twelve years since the Repubs stole this one and the Guv’s office…that ought to give us more than ample enough examples of malfeasance and idiocy to if not indict then run em out of office. Of course I’ll have to take the full amount, cause the ‘cash option’ won’t be enough to pry this state loose from the grip of the Tea-Party Neanderthals…but it will have been worth it.
Morality?
November 28th, 2012
10:12 am
Are you calling the people idiots? You are one of the people.
godless heathen
November 28th, 2012
10:12 am
At the same time, I would cut spending back as the economy improves.
Trouble is, that never happens. When the economy is rocking, revenues for the gov are up and for the pols, it’s “Let the Good Times Roll, Baby!”. Time to buy votes and institute programs. Programs that can’t be cut when the economy falters and revenues are down.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
10:12 am
DDR
A short and effective answer…..
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
10:13 am
“think that’s going to be the position of most Republicans agreeing to a tax increase”
And I don’t think they’re going to agree to a tax increase at all, unless forced to it. They’re going to ride the “close loopholes” hobbyhorse into the ground and then blame the Democrats because they won’t “compromise” by doing ONLY what the R’s want done.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
10:14 am
“Beaver Cleaver” will soon be the Rushbo code word of the day. It just shows the violent intent of these women who have failed to remember their place in the Fox world. Equal pay for USinUK? I am sure the conned are for that if it means lowering pay rates down to the level for women for the workers.
Do they even know how to use the remote? You have to be ready to flip as soon as the commercial comes on. I am not sure that their thumbs can handle that much responsibility.
Donovan
November 28th, 2012
10:14 am
My God! You sound like an intoxicated lottery winner and an over confident liberal orator. Not very classy and not very cool. Too proud to plant a kiss on Chambliss, but proud enough to praise his retraction of principles.
Sen. Chambliss rode into Washington almost two decades ago on a no-new-tax horse and subsequently joined the dark side as a big spender and ultimate tax advocate. Typical of a politician who enjoys the power of the senate, he would rather break ranks with the GOP than lose his job. This is the Arlan Spector syndrome. Yes, his turn-coat philosophy may cost him his job.
If you think that paying taxes is a patriotic thing to do then I can consider myself George Washington for all the years of carrying the “middle class” on my back. This idea of income redistribution is your idea, not mine. This class warfare on the wealthy is immoral and discriminatory. The Bush tax cuts also lowered the middle class income taxes, not only the wealthy, and virtually eliminated the lower class income taxes. Now that you Democrats have screwed the pooch once more with your reckless spending, those lowered taxes on the middle class are endanger of being lost. You people should be praising Pres. Bush for what he did for the middle class. But no, you want it both ways. Leave the “middle class” alone because you have scripted them as the “only” ones who work and you only want to tax the “rich” because they are the favorite whipping boys. Low character assassination.
Tell you what…let’s all hold hands and jump together over the fiscal cliff. That way we can all share in the sacrifice. Ok?
Morality?
November 28th, 2012
10:15 am
progressive = another word for socialist?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:15 am
“USinUK
No remote.”
Hubby? is that you???
“In other words, total emasculation.”
evidently so.
godless heathen
November 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Women already have more than half of the money and all of the p****, but
WE WILL NOT SURRENDER THE REMOTE!
skipper
November 28th, 2012
10:16 am
A shining example (again) of the too-far left Dems and too-far right Repubs……common frickin’ sense gets thrown out the window! Now, both parties require pretty-much extreme views for support, and the rsult is the perpetual “stalemate.” No Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinny loonie types, but a REAL third party led by someone with walking-around sense seems appealing right now!
Alex
November 28th, 2012
10:16 am
oh, give her the remote, Hardball is on…..
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
10:17 am
Tell you what…let’s all hold hands and jump together over the fiscal cliff. That way we can all share in the sacrifice. Ok?
______
Better be prepared for that, just in case in happens. There is a good chance that it will.
Nero
November 28th, 2012
10:17 am
The leeches are already starting to balk at spending cuts. Already overplaying their hand. Durbin can’t control them! Haha!!! Get ready. Here it comes. Embrace the cliff.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
10:18 am
and the war on women has certainly uncovered the vagina power
in national politics…
The best thing that the Conned did was to wake up every woman in the US and let them hear for themselves, how freaking crazy they really were.
Legitimate rape?
Mother’s life in danger? So what — she’s having the baby anyway?
Rape is a “blessing”?
Oh yeah — the really effed up by allowing their views to pop out of their mouths like a jack in a box. Once out, they couldn’t put that joker back in.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:18 am
“progressive = another word for socialist?”
no.
this has been another edition of simple answers for stupid-ass questions.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
10:19 am
Uh oh, USinUK has discovered something even more important for men to control than a vagina.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:20 am
DDR – one of my other favorites was from an interview with one of the defeated – evidently pregnancy as a result of rape is the same thing as just regular ol’ getting knocked up from premarital sex.
clem
November 28th, 2012
10:22 am
recent poll revealed lots of folks don’t understand marginal tax rates. under obama plan, everyone retains same tax cuts up to $250,000 (couples after deductions, exemptions etc.). %wise they don’t get same tax cut, just absolute dollars. historically marginal tax rates were much higher as folks understood & agreed that there needs to be some progressiveness to structure. if rich corporate types complain, how about rank and file get same % pay/bennies increase as they do.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:22 am
“Women already have more than half of the money and all of the p****, but
WE WILL NOT SURRENDER THE REMOTE!”
the line in the sand has definitely been drawn.
tiredofIT
November 28th, 2012
10:22 am
Morality?
November 28th, 2012
10:12 am
Are you calling the people idiots? You are one of the people.
++
Some say that is debatable.
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
10:22 am
confiscate from the so called wealthy
so much stupid in one little sentence fragment.
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
10:23 am
DDR
When the Congress is 50% or more women and a woman is in the
oval office we can look back and say that the GOP started this.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
10:24 am
Nero: “The leeches are already starting to balk at spending cuts.”
No sh$t. The Republicans and their hangers-on in the defense industry were making lots of noises about about defense cuts to their ass fat during the election.
Aquagirl
November 28th, 2012
10:24 am
pregnancy as a result of rape is the same thing as just regular ol’ getting knocked up from premarital sex
Of course. If her uterus didn’t deploy automatic countermeasures she obviously wanted the sexytime from that alleged rapist.
tiredofIT
November 28th, 2012
10:25 am
The GOP just doesn’t get it?
House GOP Committee Chairs Will All Be White Men In Next Congress
Soothsayer
November 28th, 2012
10:27 am
Some days you just feel this way! I guarantee you’ll get a real kick out of this! Watch now.
Robert Lee - Cogito ergo zoom
November 28th, 2012
10:27 am
Donovan @ 10:14
Now that you Democrats have screwed the pooch once more with your reckless spending, those lowered taxes on the middle class
Really, do you not recall the 2 wars the were unfunded, let alone the bribery of Medicare Plan for drugs which was also unfunded?????
That takes some world class ignornace right there
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 28th, 2012
10:29 am
Well, there’s alot to be said for Separate but Equal when it comes to remotes. Me, I jumped on the problem lickety-split when I got the 60″ flatscreen. I figured I could get a 32″ to put in the kitchen and that way the missus could have her own remote. Now, she stays in there happy as a clam and when stuff like news comes on that’s over the head of women she just cooks. There’s always a pie or cake around and I never have to share my remote. I hope I’ve give USinUK and DebbieDoesEverybody a idea for keeping peace in the family.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:32 am
“If her uterus didn’t deploy automatic countermeasures ”
just had a mental image of a bunch of mini uterine marines repelling the rapey-sperm
sorta like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2quc-iQ96R0
Nero
November 28th, 2012
10:32 am
Occupation,
They lost. Defense cuts are coming. It’s gonna be a wonderful blood letting. Durbin and Reid can’t herd the leeches fast enough. Obama’s loyal supports are going to scuttle any deal. Sequestration is coming. Haha!!! Can you hear it’s footsteps?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
10:33 am
Do they even know how to use the remote? You have to be ready to flip as soon as the commercial comes on. I am not sure that their thumbs can handle that much responsibility.
Oh keep — If i didn’t love ya so much, I would’ve given you the finger!
http://media.beta.photobucket.com/user/meggie-peggie/media/kid-middle-finger.jpg.html?filtersterm=middle%20finger&filtersprimary=images&sort=1&o=49
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
10:33 am
Today the remote. Tomorrow the lazy boy. Where will it all end?
straitroad
November 28th, 2012
10:34 am
Yahoo has an interesting article on the best and worst-run states that could provide case studies for our federal govt on how to function. The best – ND, WY, NE, UT and IA. The worst – CA, RI, IL, AZ, and NJ. The common difference is fiscal discipline or lack thereof.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-best-and-worst-run-states-in-america-150415625.html
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 28th, 2012
10:35 am
“Read my lips. No new taxes !”
Aquagirl
November 28th, 2012
10:36 am
I figured I could get a 32″ to put in the kitchen and that way the missus could have her own remote
A real man never surrenders ANY remote. So don’t cry to us when some gay guy busts down your door with a preacher in tow and you’re gay married before you know what hit you.
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
10:36 am
BRO – that makes so much sense, I have difficulty understanding why conservatives don’t agre…
Because it makes sense… if that helps.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
10:37 am
“Read my lips. No new taxes !”
But you can have the old ones back.
stands for decibels
November 28th, 2012
10:39 am
Oh goodie. Scout is here to tell us how all your vaginas are belong to him because Vietnam draft.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:39 am
“ND, WY, NE, UT and IA”
of course they’re the best.
no one lives there.
seriously – all together, they have only slightly more than the population of New York City
I mean, when Utah is the most populace of the list (at an eye-watering 3M), then I think you need to take another look at your comparisons.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:40 am
dB – “Oh goodie. Scout is here to tell us how all your vaginas are belong to him because Vietnam draft.”
forget that … i’m more interested in hearing why women can’t have leadership positions in congress because of the draft.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
10:41 am
just had a mental image of a bunch of mini uterine marines repelling the rapey-sperm
That would be mini uterine 0311 marines!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 28th, 2012
10:41 am
The liberal mantra/campaign slogan continues:
“The government is the only thing we all belong to”
MANGLER
November 28th, 2012
10:41 am
I accidentally joined into a political conversation at work recently; post-election. Needless to say, most of my coworkers were angry and they still are. Someone looked at me and snapped “why didn’t you just mail off a vote in the godless State you moved here from instead of waste your vote in a State that doesn’t want your agenda?” (whatever the heck that was supposed to imply)
I didn’t give my gut response, which would have included language which makes truckers blush, but I did fire back with “you’re suggesting that I have committed voter fraud? How GOP of you!”, then with “well you’re correct, I moved here from a State that is arguably so Blue that you can’t see it on a clear day, so my vote would not have had much effect there. However, in this State, the one where I now live and am registered in, my vote actually helped carve a nice chunk out of YOUR ideological foothold”
Nobody here (that I get the pleasure of listening to rant on) actually has ever given a reason they wanted Romney to win, only that they didn’t want Obama to. I think that’s very telling.
John Konop
November 28th, 2012
10:41 am
Hedge Fund managers count billing fees as capital gains, please help me understand why anyone thinks this is right?
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-01-21/news/30649999_1_capital-gains-hedge-fund-ordinary-income\\
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
10:42 am
Usink: DDR – one of my other favorites was from an interview with one of the defeated – evidently pregnancy as a result of rape is the same thing as just regular ol’ getting knocked up from premarital sex.
See what I mean by them showing the crazy behind their masks? I’m looking now for this article from Peggy Noonan(?); where she talks about how everyone of her daughter’s friends voted for Obama. And the main reason was because of one word RAPE.
She said, from now on republican men, when you hear the word “Rape”; you should respond by saying that it is the vilest, most destructive and disgusting thing that could happen to an individual. DON’T mention the words legitimate, blessing, and act of God.
Hiya Frog!
Frog: DDR
When the Congress is 50% or more women and a woman is in the oval office we can look back and say that the GOP started this
Then every woman in the US, (except for the Conned Stepford Wives), can join together, hold hands and sing the words of that old negro spiritual, “Free at last, free at last!! THANK GOD ALMIGHTY I’M FREE AT LAST!!!”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 28th, 2012
10:42 am
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
– Winston Churchill
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
10:43 am
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
10:33 am
Today the remote. Tomorrow the lazy boy. Where will it all end?
.
.
.
.
Ladies Home Journal and Cosmo in the reading basket in the water closet?
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
10:43 am
seriously – all together, they have only slightly more than the population of New York City
and that matters how?
Nero
November 28th, 2012
10:44 am
Sequestration is the answer! Don’t be so scared. The sky won’t fall.
getalife
November 28th, 2012
10:44 am
Our President won so pass his plan and get out of the way of free commerce gop.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:44 am
“She said, from now on republican men, when you hear the word “Rape”; you should respond by saying that it is the vilest, most destructive and disgusting thing that could happen to an individual. DON’T mention the words legitimate, blessing, and act of God.”
they can’t help it … it’s in their jeans … I mean genes … they all need to show how much more holy they are than the rest of us … it’ll always trip ‘em up.
Oscar
November 28th, 2012
10:45 am
because of the draft.
___
I think it’s because of the daft.
Nero
November 28th, 2012
10:46 am
Only in a leech’s mind does New York City matter more than entire states.
St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014
November 28th, 2012
10:46 am
oh please, carry on, Whigs
Aquagirl
November 28th, 2012
10:46 am
i’m more interested in hearing why women can’t have leadership positions in congress because of the draft.
You’re in luck…the principle of “no draft, no remote” is self evident so he can move right to such less important matters.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
10:46 am
“The Bowie knife is a big knife designed for skinning bears, chopping wood and digging rabbit holes.” – Jim Bowie
straitroad
November 28th, 2012
10:46 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
What does the population have to do with the management of the states?
Alex
November 28th, 2012
10:46 am
@Aqua….sometimes it’s just best to keep YOUR fantasies private,……..
Nero
November 28th, 2012
10:47 am
There is no plan and the leeches will make sure of that. Suckers!
Thulsa Doom
November 28th, 2012
10:47 am
Scout,
libs do love they lord and savior they do- Barack Obama and big gubment.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
10:47 am
DDR… you are my favorite Mountie
Sometimes I just have to play evil and all.
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
10:48 am
DDR
Yep. I probably won’t live to see it happen but think of me when
it does. All it will take is for women to vote for women.
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
10:48 am
0311 is right.
The liberal mantra/campaign slogan continues: “We the People.”
The conservative slogan continues: “We the Rich.”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:48 am
“and that matters how?”
are you seriously asking me if having a state population of a half a million is no different than having a state population of 20 million???
really???
you don’t think that you need fewer roads and highways, fewer hospitals, fewer universities, fewer prisons, etc???
seriously? you honestly think that???
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:49 am
“libs do love they lord and savior they do”
we do.
Daniel Craig is dreamy.
alittlecommonsense
November 28th, 2012
10:49 am
“I’m assuming your point is based on the assumption that it’s actually Republicans who want to rein in spending. Which of course is utterly, demonstrably false. Any reviewing of budgets over the past 32 yrs since the Reagan shift will show without a doubt that it is the Republican party that is the spendthrift party and the Democrats who are the party of fiscal consolidation and conservatism.”
I’m not pleased with Republicans when it comes to spending. But I find it hard to believe you can believe what you are saying. If Democrats want spending cuts, why are they asking for concessions from Republicans to make those spending cuts?
Thulsa Doom
November 28th, 2012
10:50 am
Nero,
don’t make fun of ny city.jay gets his salsa from ny city.
Aquagirl
November 28th, 2012
10:50 am
Aqua….sometimes it’s just best to keep YOUR fantasies private,…
I don’t care who you are, including me….that’s funny.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 28th, 2012
10:50 am
Well, well, well ………………….
Headline CNBC: “In Communist Cuba, the Tax Man Cometh”
“Most Cubans have not paid taxes for half a century, but that will change under a new code starting January 1.
The landmark regulations will change the relations of Cubans with their government and are a signal that market-oriented reforms, launched since President Raul Castro succeeded his brother, Fidel Castro, in 2008, are here to stay.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49989684
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
10:51 am
Skipper – you are correct, but neither of the extremists view things that way. No party for moderates.
getalife
November 28th, 2012
10:52 am
The gop are a regulation stopping free commerce.
Cut that in the next election and give our President the house for his last two years.
Thulsa Doom
November 28th, 2012
10:54 am
USinUK,
something tells me you’re first in line for the new James bond movie featuring mr. Craig. he do make a good James bond he do.
Nero
November 28th, 2012
10:54 am
New York City?!?! Get a rope!!
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
10:55 am
My bad — it was Karen Hughes who wrote that piece in Politico:
And if another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue. The college-age daughters of many of my friends voted for Obama because they were completely turned off by Neanderthal comments like the suggestion of “legitimate rape.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83632_Page2.html#ixzz2DX5qLnss
THANK YOU GOP — Your contributions made the election a Blown Out Slaughter!! PS: Keep up the good work!
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straitroad
November 28th, 2012
10:55 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
I don’t intend for this to sound ugly, but if you can’t grasp how proportion works, please don’t respond to anymore of my posts. I’ll answer your question. Yes, fewer people does equate to fewer public services. But it also means fewer tax payers to fund those public services. The point that your emotions won’t allow you to grasp is that the well-run states are governed by conservatives and the poorly-run states are governed by liberals. California, for example is liberalism in action. You may not be comfortable with facts but they cannot be denied.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
10:57 am
Thulsa – 10:54 – I knew you and I had to agree on SOMEthing. ever since I saw him in the opening sequence of Casino Royale, there has been no Bond before him …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJubOZLpp4A
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
10:59 am
“California, for example is liberalism in action.”
California has mostly been run by Republican governors the past 40 years including Reagan.
deegee
November 28th, 2012
10:59 am
This just in from the Business Beat. Doesn’t this put the whole tax discussion in a little different light? And this is just Georgia Powerball. Who is bearing this tax burden? It’s not Warren Buffett or Mitt the Twit.
Consider: Georgia Lottery officials report that the average daily Powerball with Power Play sales in Georgia for the current fiscal year, through October 2012, are approximately $364,000.
Tuesday’s Powerball sales in Georgia topped $4 million, as of 7 p.m.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
11:00 am
The surest approach to sustainable tax cuts for the wealthiest is for these so-called job creators to live up to their Republican-induced reputations–create tax-paying jobs. Reap the rewards.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:01 am
straightroad – “if you can’t grasp how proportion works, please don’t respond to anymore of my posts”
you don’t seem to grasp that it’s not a linear relationship –
a 50% increase in population doesn’t mean a 50% increase in roads – it usually means a much higher percentage increase … and all the other related infrastructure that goes with it.
the same goes with other key spending – the more people you have, the more needs you have to take care of – including policing and the judicial system, health care, education and so forth.
so, yes, even though a smaller population may turn in less in revenues, their wear and tear on the state infrastructure is far lower.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
11:02 am
On a side note, my daughter and I thank all lottery players for her Zell Miller scholarship.
eddy
November 28th, 2012
11:02 am
To Keep Up the Good Fight……I read the article you cited as being “all enlightening”. Nowhere does it say “Why” it is a good idea…..what it would accomplish, etc. It stated lots of proposals about what income level should be taxed, etc. but it never answered the basic question…..Why is it a good idea and what would it accomplish?
PS– it may be a great idea to raise taxes on the Top 1% but thus far Buffett is the only one so far to come close to the answer…”It’ll improve the morale of the middle class to know that millionaires are paying more”. Seems like a simple answer to me rather than all of “dancing around and trying to come with something that really sounds intelligent like debt reduction, income streams to run the gov’t. Boy, the administration really has to get a better talking points writer ’cause this one has failed miserably……this plus Benghazi …not good.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:05 am
If we could only get Zell to start a third party for moderates.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
11:05 am
straitroad
“The point that your emotions won’t allow you to grasp is that the well-run states are governed by conservatives”
Oh really?
What measurement do you use?
Number of out of wedlock births?
HS graduation rates?
Federal taxes going back to the states?
Divorce rates?
Unemploment rates?
Oh please DO inform us!
Ol' Timer
November 28th, 2012
11:07 am
The quest for ideological purity will take the conservatives just to the right of Atilla the Hun and I’m not sure that’s a winnable place even in Georgia where the loons doth live in abundance.
The Good Book offers advice for those seeking a rational voice in Georgia politics: “Blessed is he who expecteth nothing for he shall not be disappointed.” ~Hezekiah 1:1
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
11:09 am
Mangler: I accidentally joined into a political conversation at work recently
Manger, big mistake!!! NEVAH talk politics at work!!
Here’s how you get out of it – (Background — I’m a black female):
When some in the office said to me, “I already know who YOU are going to vote for”; I’d give them a blank look and say, “Right now I’m undecided. Could you give me some talking points on each of the candidates?”
That usually shut them up. The majority didn’t even KNOW what the talking points WERE.
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oh please, carry on, Whigs
============================
Daniel Craig is dreamy.
Meh…..I’ve seen pictures of him in a swimsuit — not much to write home about……..
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:09 am
GG – 11:05 – well played, ma’am
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
11:10 am
godless: Trouble is, that never happens. When the economy is rocking, revenues for the gov are up and for the pols, it’s “Let the Good Times Roll, Baby!”.
That’s why you create that legislation with an immediate trigger worse than the “fiscal cliff” stuff if any future congress tampers with the agreement.
Nero
November 28th, 2012
11:10 am
Warren Buffett is a charlatan and a hypocrite. Another limousine liberal who speaks out of both sides of his mouth and does the exact opposite of what he proclaims is best for others. Think he’s had too many Cherry Cokes. The ol’ diabeetus is kicking in.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
11:10 am
eddy: To Keep Up the Good Fight……I read the article you cited as being “all enlightening”. Nowhere does it say “Why” it is a good idea
There’s your problem eddy. I did not cite you to an article. I cited you to a website which contains a variety of information. You should go back and read some more and work on comprehension.
Benghazi? Really
You were probably a birther too (although fewer admit that every day, so I anticipate your denial much like Senior Digits)
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
11:11 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:01 am
Well stated…too bad it won’t sink in.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:13 am
Hi Corbin!
I hope my “emotions” didn’t get in the way
getalife
November 28th, 2012
11:13 am
We need to disband the whig party again to cut the needless regulation blocking our economy.
Nero
November 28th, 2012
11:16 am
Retired Boomer leeches need to start giving back. Cut back some of their benefits. They’re parent’s generation sacrificed. They should as well. Pay it forward leeches. Do the right thing. Think of the future instead of your greedy selves.
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
11:16 am
I remember the God Squad fighting the evil lottery and now
that it is paying for their children’s education there is no
movement for repeal.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:16 am
” needless regulation blocking our economy.”
I’ve said it here before, I’ll say it again …
I’d love to set up a “regulation free zone” in Atlanta – let people go to whatever unregulated restaurants, drug stores, shops, etc that they’d like to go to … let these yahoos put their money where their mouth is …
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
11:17 am
USinUK,
“I hope my “emotions” didn’t get in the way”
Well I, for one, just love your emotions. You’re smart and sassy…a great combination…I bet you play chess, too.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:18 am
“Retired Boomer leeches need to start giving back. Cut back some of their benefits”
hrm.
so I guess that includes the people who have been working for the last 40 years, serving in the military, etc?
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:18 am
Tell me barking frog, are all Christians considered to be “God Squad” by the leftists?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:18 am
“I bet you play chess, too”
would rather watch paint dry.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
11:19 am
The Whig party…is that the one Trump belongs to? No wait! That would be the Wig Party, sorry
getalife
November 28th, 2012
11:19 am
There is only one regulation stopping our economy from returning to full employment.
The gop are that regulation.
Cut it.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:19 am
Corbin – actually the comb-over party.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
11:20 am
I always said I’d marry a girl that could beat me in chess…That’s why I have been so happily married al these years. the chess board is our final option…
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
11:21 am
Nunna Yobinnes
Don’t know about the leftists but they pretty much are by me when
they want a ‘biblical’ society.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:21 am
Nunna – the wind-tunnel-tested party?
http://c1redgreenandblueorg.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2012/09/trump-vs-wind.jpg
getalife
November 28th, 2012
11:22 am
“Top GOP Rep Says Take Obama Tax Deal”
Yes, remove this needless regulation to unleash our economy.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 28th, 2012
11:22 am
USinUK, need to include unregulated medical services and absolutely no govt services. Perhaps when the Savannah River is dredged, an island can be built to them (but they’ll claim they built it).
Buzz Belle
November 28th, 2012
11:23 am
DDR – Geez thanks! Now I won’t get any work done!
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
11:23 am
let these yahoos put their money where their mouth is …
Yeah — let them have a nice unregulated peanut butter sandwich for lunch and some unregulated pork for dinner. After they get through puking their (small) brains out.
frog: remember the God Squad fighting the evil lottery and now
that it is paying for their children’s education there is no
movement for repeal.
HA! Yeah, imagine that; all of a sudden the lottery is a good christian thing!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:23 am
keep up – 11:22 – EXACTLY.
you want deregulation so bad? then there you go – food of questionable quality, drugs of questionable origin, it’s all right there … help yourself.
deegee
November 28th, 2012
11:25 am
Sacrifice would be Nero’s retired parents moving in with him/her and sharing a family room just like when Nero was twelve years old. That should be sufficient sacrifice for everyone in the household.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
11:25 am
Nunna: “Tell me barking frog, are all Christians considered to be “God Squad” by the leftists?”
Not really. A great many Christians are quite liberal actually, though you wouldn’t necessarily realize it given the shrunken horizon of US politics.
YouLibs
November 28th, 2012
11:26 am
Nero
It’s a really nice day today. Why don’t you run outside and play and leave the adults here to have their conversation.
Does your mommie know you’re on her computer again? You’re gonna get in BIG trouble if she catches you.
And look, I know you revel in the attention you get here and love to get the grown-ups’ goats, but you needn’t bother to get excited about engaging me because I’m finished with my desk work for today and I’m heading out into the field.
Now run along, sonny.
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
11:27 am
Nunna Yobinnes
BTW Jesus was a liberal.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 28th, 2012
11:28 am
Nunna: “Tell me barking frog, are all Christians considered to be “God Squad” by the leftists?”
Most Americans don’t realize it, but the great welfare states of Europe with their social safety nets and worker protections and universal healthcare are quite unthinkable without the participation of the various Christian parties of post-war Europe.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:28 am
Debbie – I guess the lottery is a good means of taxing the low income and middle class without having all the objections that typically would be raised.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
11:28 am
Belle @ 11:23 – I do my best…..
Nero
November 28th, 2012
11:29 am
Yes it does. They need to give back some of what the have stolen from future generations. If you served in the military then good for you. Still doesn’t give you a pass. I’d wager to say many of those veterans will have no qualms about a little additional sacrifice for the future. Stop being the greediest generation and look to your parents for an example of how to sacrifice for the future generations.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:29 am
BF – I think he was more of a moderate.
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
11:31 am
Nunna Yobinnes
The sanhedrin didn’t think so.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:31 am
I love people who call on others to make sacrifices.
Buzz Belle
November 28th, 2012
11:32 am
Lottery – I’m jumping in, then I have to go to lunch. My office just bought tickets with the exception of one who doesn’t buy lottery for religous reasons. I asked him how much money he got from HOPE. About $18,000.00. So he takes, but doesn’t give. Christian? I think not. Now, I’m printing the picture of Daniel Craig in the bathing suit and taking him with me to lunch! Check back later
Thulsa Doom
November 28th, 2012
11:34 am
USinUK,
Yeah we definitely agree on Craig as bond. He earned it indeed with that opening scene in cas roy. Definitely an upgrade in athleticism. i sure as hell couldn’t see Roger moores old ass pulling off a scene like that. still liked moore though as well as Connery.
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
11:35 am
the same goes with other key spending – the more people you have, the more needs you have to take care of – including policing and the judicial system, health care, education and so forth.
so the bigger the budget, less fiscal responsibility is earned or required somehow?..The larger populations have higher revenues etc etc. how does that relieve them from balancing a budget? Sure they have more needs, but they also have more revenue too
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
11:35 am
I remember the God Squad fighting the evil lottery and now
that it is paying for their children’s education there is no
movement for repeal.
It’s a sin to gamble, I think. Is it? And it’s a sin to drink. I think. Isn’t it? And WalMart must be kept out because it will destroy Mom’s and Pop’s. I think. Won’t it? Anyway, that was certainly the prevailing belief up here in my neck of the North Georgia woods until the elected ones saw the light–the tax revenue that is. After those tax dollars came rolling in from the WalMart, the word from the revenuers was nothing short of, “It’s a MIRACLE!” “Praise be to the power and the glory of the WalMart greenback!” Can I get a Hallelujah. And who would have ever thunk that the North Georgia hills would become home to so many wineries, interspersed with so many churches. At least its easy to find a place to seek forgiveness after all the sinning. Which reminds me, there’s a record jackpot for the taking. I gotta get out and buy me a ticket.
Nero
November 28th, 2012
11:35 am
Nonsense. Jesus wasn’t political and had no ideology. Spirituality and kindness aren’t exclusive to your narrow-minded morality construct.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
11:36 am
I’ve always considered my playing the lottery as paying a tax for being bad at math. Every time I lose though, i console myself with “Oh well, at least it went to education…hope they teach math”
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:36 am
Buzz – maybe he realizes his chances of winning are so small that he’ll just leave it to others to throw away their money.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
11:36 am
Debbie – I guess the lottery is a good means of taxing the low income and middle class without having all the objections that typically would be raised.
They have taxes on lotto tickets?
RB from Gwinnett
November 28th, 2012
11:36 am
“When some in the office said to me, “I already know who YOU are going to vote for”; I’d give them a blank look and say, “Right now I’m undecided. Could you give me some talking points on each of the candidates?”
Would, “Are you voting for more free stuff?” have been sufficient for you? “Screw the rich man?”
getalife
November 28th, 2012
11:39 am
It is ignorant to even listen to the right until they get something right for our country.
Keep voting against them until they disband.
Monnessia
November 28th, 2012
11:39 am
Saxby’s position on raising taxes/curtailing spending bothers me very little. His position on immigration bothers me a lot. It’s no secret that for years he’s run interference with the government on behalf of his south Georgia farmer constituents who need illegals to pick their crops. I believe he’s vulnerable in 2014 to another R or even a moderate D.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:40 am
Corbin – that’s a pretty good way to look at it, but don’t think of it as a tax for being bad at math. Just think of it as “at least it benefits education.”
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:41 am
Debbie – you’ve never heard anyone refer to the lottery as the “idiot tax”?
getalife
November 28th, 2012
11:41 am
Jesus was the first OWS 99%er.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:42 am
” i sure as hell couldn’t see Roger moores old ass pulling off a scene like that.”
hahahahahahahaa … that’s EXACTLY what I said to the mister when we watched it!!
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
11:42 am
RB from Gwinnett
“Screw the rich man?”
……………………..
You might enjoy it if you would just relax…
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:43 am
Monnessia – someone’s got to do the lawn maintenance jobs. Many Americans seem to think it is beneath their dignity.
getalife
November 28th, 2012
11:43 am
You could argue the gop are crucifying President Obama.
Nero
November 28th, 2012
11:43 am
I love greedy Boomer retirees steal from other’s futures and then scream about how they’ve worked their whole lives and deserve it. You probably would eat your young if afforded the opportunity. No wait…you already are. Blood suckers!!
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:44 am
Now barking frog, is what you are proposing to RB considered “legitimate rape”?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
11:45 am
Lottery players…you might want to read this…
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/28/15463411-can-500-million-make-you-happy-not-really?lite
Thulsa Doom
November 28th, 2012
11:46 am
The lottery is kind of a tax on the stupid. It just show happens that a lot of stupid people happen to also be poor. Hence a disproportionate share of lottery revenues coming from poor neighborhoods. And here they thought their lord and savior would lift them from poverty. Or they know he can’t and they are betting it all on a pipe dream.
Mick
November 28th, 2012
11:46 am
nero
“Hope you die before you get old”, so sayeth the who. Good advice in your case…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:46 am
“so the bigger the budget, less fiscal responsibility is earned or required somehow?”
yes. that’s exactly what I’m saying – the bigger the budget, the less responsibility.
“The larger populations have higher revenues etc etc. how does that relieve them from balancing a budget? Sure they have more needs, but they also have more revenue too”
well, I tell you what. How about you ask states like Alabama and South Carolina (and GA, for that matter) who decide to cut corporate taxes as a lure to get companies to locate in their state … and then ask them how well that’s worked out for them. More people on the roads, more spending in education, more burden on health care … buuuuuuuuut major sources of revenue aren’t added.
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
11:47 am
Corbin – Money can’t buy you love or happiness…..but it can “rent it” for a while
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
11:47 am
I love people who call on others to make sacrifices.
Yeah — i’ve noticed a resurgence of people (Saxby, Cheney et al). who sneer at veterans who gave their all and give them faint praise, all the while pretending to be “proud” of their, the soldiers’, love for America.
If only those same Conned would’ve loved America as much as some of those soldiers do; we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now.
Belle: Now, I’m printing the picture of Daniel Craig in the bathing suit and taking him with me to lunch!
Too funny!
TP: After those tax dollars came rolling in from the WalMart, the word from the revenuers was nothing short of, “It’s a MIRACLE!” “Praise be to the power and the glory of the WalMart greenback!” Can I get a Hallelujah.
Hallelujah!
pb
November 28th, 2012
11:47 am
“Taxby” might really be in trouble in his own party, but Karen Handel ? Please… If she is the best they can do, the Republicans are in sad shape. Saxby is also in trouble with liberals and moderates, who don’t really like him either. Maybe he should just retire to Moultrie, GA?
Jm
November 28th, 2012
11:48 am
Democrats say no entitlement reform
I think republicans will say no dice
Good for them
Better to go over the cliff if no entitlement reform
Democrats are extremist
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
11:48 am
“Hope you die before you get old”, so sayeth the who. Good advice in your case…”
You do realize, I hope, that everytime someone responds like this ^ they are just empowering him to continue? It’s his goal to annoy someone, and as long as he knows he does…he’ll continue.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:49 am
If I were going to win a lottery, I think I would prefer to win perhaps $10 million, rather than $425 million. That just seems like overkill to me.
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
11:49 am
well, I tell you what. How about you ask states like Alabama and South Carolina (and GA, for that matter) who decide to cut corporate taxes as a lure to get companies to locate in their state … and then ask them how well that’s worked out for them. More people on the roads, more spending in education, more burden on health care … buuuuuuuuut major sources of revenue aren’t added.
what does this have to do with the question at hand?…deflect much?
why don’t we ask people with big hair and deep pockets..it’s just as relevant
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
11:50 am
Nunna Yobinnes
Wouldn’t be rape if he would relax and take it like a man.
Probably be a novelty too.
Nero
November 28th, 2012
11:50 am
It’s hilarious how he trashed Romney for a year and a half and now wants to meet with him, and get him to carry the Commander-In-Leech’s water. I hope he tells him to own it.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
11:52 am
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
11:48 am
I always figured it was because his parents were Hippies…
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
11:52 am
“If I were going to win a lottery, I think I would prefer to win perhaps $10 million, rather than $425 million. That just seems like overkill to me”
I buy a ticket now and then, but ever since the lottery started I’ve had a philcophical problem with huge payouts like this. I think they should cap the payout at, say, 20 million and for every 20 million in the pot…draw another number.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:54 am
Erwin – “what does this have to do with the question at hand?…deflect much?”
what does it have to do with the question? an increase in population and the corresponding budget problems, despite the fact that more people meant more revenue.
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
11:55 am
“what does this have to do with the question at hand?…deflect much?”
That was not a deflection at all.
Btw, what is the status of the half a billion dollars Gov Deal has been begging Washington for so Georgia can do some dredging?
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
11:56 am
Nunna Yobinnes
425 million dollar winners would attract me to participate
much more than one 425 million dollar winner.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
11:56 am
I think someone seriously needs to bleed Nero
he’s suffering from the vapors.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 28th, 2012
11:57 am
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
11:49 am
After I saw that my Kids, Grand Kids and Great Grand Kids were set up, I’d give the greater portion to the Sierra Club, Green Peace, ACLU, Humane Society, Saint Jude Children’s Hospital and the Democratic Party. I’s keep enough for my condo in Maui though…
Doggone/GA
November 28th, 2012
11:57 am
“425 million dollar winners would attract me to participate much more than one 425 million dollar winner”
except you wouldn’t get a million dollars if you won…more like half a million, or maybe a bit more.
Nero
November 28th, 2012
11:58 am
Mick,
Only if you do in a grease fire first.
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
11:58 am
USinUK
Nero has been using his fiddle inappropriately.
St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014
November 28th, 2012
11:58 am
Go inside the WH, lock & shut the doors, Barack.
Don’t come out til Jan 2nd. Trust me.
On the 3rd, get out your phone cameras,
get the cons peeing & crapping on themselves
put it on Youtube
it’ll be hilarious
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
11:59 am
Would, “Are you voting for more free stuff?” have been sufficient for you? “Screw the rich man?”
Hiya RB! Quick question, “WHAT Free stuff did I vote for?” Please explain, thanks!
Nunna: Debbie – you’ve never heard anyone refer to the lottery as the “idiot tax”?
Oh is that what they meant?! I thought they were talking about Bush’s tax cuts!
JamVet
November 28th, 2012
11:59 am
Perhaps Saxby finally understands that after three brutal beat downs in the past four elections, the neocons are operating from a position of ………………………………… weakness.
And getting weaker by the post-Bush/Cheney year.
While the Democrats are operating from a position of strength.
Keep Hopelessness Alive, cons.
It’s working out great for the rest of us.
Occupy that…
Nero
November 28th, 2012
12:00 pm
Typical Bookman sycophant logic. If you disagree then we hope you die. Stay classy leeches.
Mick
November 28th, 2012
12:00 pm
doggone
That’s not an issue for me, freedom of the blog so to speak…
Joe Hussein Mama
November 28th, 2012
12:00 pm
Doggone — “I think they should cap the payout at, say, 20 million and for every 20 million in the pot…draw another number.”
ZOMG SOSHULIZUM
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
Doggone/GA
Half a million, good return on a buck or two.
Thulsa Doom
November 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
USinUK,
ok. now we can respectfully disagree. Those states that you speak of may be giving up some tax revenues in corporate taxes but they are making it up in increased employee taxes and increased sales taxes generated from the enormous increase in economic activity. those states are adding populations and jobs while heavily taxed states like Cali and illinois are losing jobs, people, and tax revenue. those states are also in much better shape fiscally than say Cali which has a 167 billion dollar debt load.
eddy
November 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
To Keep Up the Good Fight…boy you really got me…I’ll probably not recover from your mental down-beat. If I read the entire site, the answer still isn’t there and clearly you don’t have a clue either! Why the tax increases on the rich and what would it accomplish ( see Buffett if you are still grasping for an answer). Mensa! Mensa! I found one of your dropouts….parody on Ferris Bueller in case it goes over your head).
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
November 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
I see the Faux News War on Christmas has begun.
It seems to come earlier every year.
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2012/11/28/bill-oreilly-christmas-chaos-rhode-island
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
i am tired of the LIBERAL RACISTS who put Nathan Deal in the governor’s office…….. they should be ashamed of themselves……..
they elected Roy Barnes over Thurbert Baker in the primary to face Deal in the general election
Baker is a well respected and competent public servant who would have been elected by a majority of Georgians who would have judged him by the content of his character……. hands down the most respected figure in this state.
but nooooooo…….. you liberal racists stick Roy out there………..
shame on you
and now we have to DEAL WITH IT
Mick
November 28th, 2012
12:03 pm
nero
Nice…eighth grade awaits if you can pass the seventh???
Nero
November 28th, 2012
12:03 pm
USUK,
The only vapors here are the ones from your Bourbon breath.
barking frog
November 28th, 2012
12:05 pm
eddy
Many ask why..I ask why not? -RFK
Nero
November 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
Dear Mitt,
Please help a brother out. I can’t control the leeches. They won’t agree to any spending cuts. Please get your guys to just raise taxes so I can claim victory and pass the buck to the next Pres. K thanks.
Barry
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
“If you disagree then we hope you die. Stay classy leeches.”
says the guy who wants someone to die in a grease fire.
Paul
November 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
RB from Gwinnett
“Would, “Are you voting for more free stuff?” have been sufficient for you? “Screw the rich man?””
Only if DDR lived in Virginia and worked for a big Navy contractor.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 28th, 2012
12:09 pm
U. Samantha — “Baker is a well respected and competent public servant who would have been elected by a majority of Georgians who would have judged him by the content of his character…….”
I think it’s clear that a majority of Georgians don’t know jack about character or the lack thereof when it comes to political candidates. If they did, then we wouldn’t have had a GOP nominee for governor who had to GTFO of Washington in the middle of the night, three steps ahead of an ethics indictment.
Speaking only for myself, I’d have been perfectly happy with Thurbert Baker as the nominee, but I voted for Barnes in the primary because he has already *been* Governor and so he brought that experience to the table.
FWIW, I did suggest Baker earlier this week as a fine Democratic challenger for Saxby’s seat in the Senate.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
12:09 pm
Thulsa – 12:01 – then why are so many of them reporting budgetary shortfalls? you forget, that CA is a net contributor of federal taxes, so high-revenue people still live there as well as NY – the problem is that they have last-salary pensions and people aren’t dying as young as they used to
(on a personal note, I’m glad we found something in common
)
Nero
November 28th, 2012
12:09 pm
Mickey Mouse,
Coming from you, I’ll take that as a compliment. Continue your leeching.
JamVet
November 28th, 2012
12:10 pm
Arguably the greatest aspect of the ongoing, self inflicted, right wing implosion is their long standing and proven unwillingness, even inability, to change.
They are the anti-US Marines.
They cannot improvise, they cannot adapt and and they cannot overcome.
Apparently they are forever stuck in 1950s stupid.
Long live Joseph McCarthy and Jim Crow!
I can hardly wait to see their slate of candidates for 2016…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
Nero – 12:03 – I think it must be time for your meds, dear … you’re ranting.
getalife
November 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
gop regulation sheets.
RB from Gwinnett
November 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
“RB from Gwinnett
“Screw the rich man?”
……………………..
You might enjoy it if you would just relax…”
You mean like getting raped?
JamVet
November 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
eddy, you apparently prefer to keep on punishing the working class.
Say, for another forty years?
As for the swiftboating Mr. Chambliss, he’s NEVER had the courage to lead, and is one of the more disgusting cowards to ever wander around Capitol Hill…
Nero
November 28th, 2012
12:22 pm
USuK,
Nah, you’re just drunk sweet cheeks. Have another. I think you need it.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
12:24 pm
In 2011, the Georgia Lottery paid:
846.1 million (25.3%) to the Georgia education fund
230.9 million (6.9%) in commissions to retailers
142.5 million(4.2%) in gaming and operating expenses
2,120.8 million (63.6%) in prizes.
GT
November 28th, 2012
12:26 pm
It is of some interest to me that the right strongly believes in state rights yet has carpet baggers from a national lobby are dictating the dirt roads of Georgia, and our local politics. If Grover Norquist is not the second party in this tax pledge as he smirking directs his argument, why is he even in the picture? He finds himself incredulous that the pressure of this ill conceived plan is place on his shoulders and not on the back of the Republican politician, who represent Georgians not Grover Norquist.
I say the Republican Party represents the local constituent, all people, not just the Republicans and certainly not this alien in our affairs. Maybe Norquist thinks the local voters have pledged something to this outsider too. Maybe he wants to come lecture us on our conscience, maybe he doesn’t see changing representatives or policies for 20 years, maybe that is what conservatives are all about, no change. If so and there is not a change Norquist will destroy the Republican Party with his sophomoric behavior. Either way, change by compromise or destroying this mutation of democracy, works for me.
Tom B
November 28th, 2012
12:26 pm
“…raises tax revenue and curtails projected spending.” Why does it have to be “curtail’ spending? If you don’t need hammers, going from ordering 100 to 5 does not fix the problem. You are still wasting money on 5 unneeded hammers. You can “curtail” all you want but until spending is fixed (as in pass a respectable budget) in Washington, there will always be the liberals yelling for more (of my) taxes.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
November 28th, 2012
12:32 pm
Dear Thurbert
We are sorry we snubbed you for Governor in 2010……….. it wasn’t our fault………… We just thought that Roy was a better candidate to take down that slimy and criminal Deal……….. After all Roy was Governor once before………….. the fact that the people of this great state did not re-elect him was not a factor….. it wasn’t his fault……….. Roy is and was a squeaky clean guy……… yes you may have the distinction of being a GREAT attorney general of this state who took on ALL when they violated law but come on………… you cannot compare to King Roy………. Plus he only barely lost to that great speaker and intellectual Sonny Perdue………….. We didnt feel you had the gravitas to compete against another one like Deal………….. But now we see you should run against Saxby for the Senate……….. after all………….. he is becoming less popular in his own party in his own state………… therefore it will be much easier for you to get elected………. We feel your “handicap” (wink-wink) won’t hold you back this time……
sincerely yours
white democrats of georgia
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
November 28th, 2012
12:37 pm
Now barking frog, is what you are proposing to RB considered “legitimate rape”?
Oooh Nunna! Good one! (PS: I’m stealing that one too — sorry
)
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
12:39 pm
Did everybody who has ever e-mailed Saxby just gotten a blast e-mail from his office about how he really has always been against tax increases or am I just lucky?
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
1:30 pm
@Joe – “I think it’s clear that a majority of Georgians don’t know jack about character or the lack thereof when it comes to political candidates.”
Otherwise why would they have continued to elect Cynthia McKinney, or as I like to call her, the Village Idiot, and name a major thoroughfare after her.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 28th, 2012
3:02 pm
N. Yobinnes — “Otherwise why would they have continued to elect Cynthia McKinney, or as I like to call her, the Village Idiot, and name a major thoroughfare after her.”
Stupid isn’t criminal. And the only reason Nathan Deal’s not under indictment is House rules.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
November 28th, 2012
8:57 pm
Here’s another version – many Republicans are “Democrat lite” (commonly known as RINOs), and for the sake of our nation, they have to go. This will provide some short to intermediate term assistance for Democrats, but again, is a calculated risk to save the country.
In the meantime, letting the Democrats really screw things up, with nobody else to blame, could prove useful. However, given the election’s proof that a large portion of our citizenry is only interested in free things, this hypothesis is a real stretch. As long as the food stamps roll, free phones, etc., etc., etc., the Democrats probably have these folks’ vote.
Remember, though, that it was considered a long shot for the Colonists to beat the British.
hamiltonAZ
November 29th, 2012
8:18 am
“Somehow as confusing and chaotic as democracy is, it can be made to work if there is will on both sides and there is leadership.” Doris Kearns Goodwin on the message of her book “Team of Rivals,” the movie ‘Lincoln’ based upon the book and the relevance of this story to Washington and its current intransigence.