GOP gambled on a fiscal crisis, and are losing that gamble
Republicans in Washington took a gamble — a wise gamble, they thought at the time. Believing that Barack Obama was vulnerable and that control of the Senate was well within their grasp, they put off tough negotiations on tax and budget issues until after the 2012 elections, believing that they would then have the momentum, the votes and the power to remake the federal government as they saw fit.
They lost that bet, and they’re now having to come to grips with the consequences. The fiscal crisis that they sought has now arrived, and they find themselves at a significant political disadvantage. The results of a new ABC News/Washington Post poll demonstrate why:
By overwhelming margins, Americans support the Democratic position of raising taxes on those making $250,000 and more. (And let’s remember, the proposed increase is hardly draconian. For a couple with $350,000 in taxable income, it would represent a tax increase of $4,600, or 1.3 percent of their income.)
By even larger margins, Americans reject the conservative option of raising the age at which Americans are eligible for Medicare coverage. And while those numbers tell us a lot about why Republicans are having such a hard time selling their argument, worse news lurks deeper in the bowels of that poll:
Even among self-described conservatives, 47 percent support raising taxes on those Americans doing best in this economy. Among those who call themselves very conservative, the number supporting that tax increase is 45 percent. Americans making $100,000 or more support higher taxes on the wealthy by a 15-point margin. Washington Republicans may be playing to the most vocal portion of their base on this issue, but for everybody else, this is a loser.
Raising the Medicare-eligibility age draws even stronger across-the-board rejection. In fact, Republicans and the “very conservative” reject it by the same two-to-one margin as the rest of America. If Republicans in Congress want to make that the hill on which they choose to fight, good luck to them.
The argument in favor of raising the eligibility age of Medicare and Social Security is two-fold. One is purely financial — by putting off the date on which people are eligible, taxpayers save a lot of money. The second is based on the premise that American lifespans are getting longer, which in turn allows us to push the retirement age off.
However, while that is true for upper-income Americans, it is much less true for those on the lower half of the income distribution scale.
Source: http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/workingpapers/wp108.html
For whatever reason, less affluent Americans have not seen the large improvement in lifespan enjoyed by their countrymen. That’s due in part to the more physically demanding nature of the jobs they often fill, in part to less access to health care and in part to lifestyle differences. Whatever the reason, the differential is significant. Lower-income Americans — in most cases people who have worked hard all of their lives — arrive at age 65 in worse physical shape than their counterparts, and for them, deferring retirement is a real hardship.
And as the poll above demonstrates, many in that situation are probably conservative Republican voters.
– Jay Bookman
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Regnad Kcin
November 28th, 2012
2:27 pm
Ira – hilarious site! My favorite headline:
Wisconsin GOP to arrest ObamaCare implementers
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
2:27 pm
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:19 pm
Since the Dems/Libs have convinced most everyone that taxing the rich will solve the problems, I’ll be waiting to see how they will blame the republicans for it’s failure……you know it’s coming…….
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No, that would be your talk radio hosts and the other FOXBOTS that also worship President Obama and call him the Messiah who do that.
Liberals, Democrats, independents, pretty much everyone EXCEPT you FOXBOTS and far right wing nut case fanatics know that we need to raise taxes AND cut spending……….
curious
November 28th, 2012
2:27 pm
Rank Country GDP – per capita (PPP) (US$)
1 Liechtenstein 141,100
2 Qatar 104,300
3 Luxembourg 81,100
4 Bermuda 69,900
5 Monaco 63,400
6 Singapore 60,500
7 Jersey 57,000
8 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) 55,400
9 Norway 54,200
10 Brunei 50,000
11 Hong Kong 49,800
12 United States 49,000
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
2:29 pm
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:22 pm
Just raise the taxes and get it over with…….what are you waiting on?…..The timing has to be just right maybe?
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Wow, you REALLY haven’t a clue as to how our Government works and what the Constitution says do you? no wonder you are such a dedicated FOXBOT.
Alex
November 28th, 2012
2:29 pm
@stands: if you don’t refer to this site again, I PROMISE never to EVER mention FOX-anything, even the animal, even Foxy Brown…….
East Lake Ira
November 28th, 2012
2:29 pm
Fred – get over yourself.
mm
November 28th, 2012
2:29 pm
We need to stop spending so much money on things that take lives (military) and use that money to save lives (better infrastructure, cures for deseases, etc).
Eliminate the wage cap on SS. Increase the capital gains tax. Place a small tax on all stock transactions. Eliminate tax loopholes.
The poor in this country did not cause this fiscal mess and they shouldn’t have to pay for it.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
2:30 pm
My taxes are gonna go up and I aint gonna get no free stuff? I have been violated.
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:30 pm
Fred …..cut spending? wow? Other than defense cuts what are the Dems?Libs proposing? I might be convinced if I really knew of any and they were serious…….please name calling/labeling is not necessary
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
2:32 pm
China to reduce taxes to benefit job creators and promote growth …. hmmmm
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-11/26/c_132000164.htm
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
2:32 pm
East Lake Ira
November 28th, 2012
2:29 pm
Fred – get over yourself.
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Are you one of those folks who doesn’t respond well to compliments? Other anger issues? Why all the hostility Ira? I mean I’m glad you are letting it all out. Perhaps by venting your misguided anger on me that will mean your wife will be safe from physical abuse when you get home, but golly, why the hostility in the first place?
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:33 pm
Nunna……..It will be reported the Dems raised the taxes, but the republicans took away your free stuff….haha
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
2:35 pm
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:30 pm
Fred …..cut spending? wow? Other than defense cuts what are the Dems?Libs proposing? I might be convinced if I really knew of any and they were serious……. please name calling/labeling is not necessary
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Why then by all means stop name calling and labeling. YOU can be our shining example. It all starts with you sport.
getalife
November 28th, 2012
2:36 pm
They screwed up so if you are middle class you pay 2 grand in a tax increase.
Sacrifice.
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
2:36 pm
How do you mean?
OWS didn’t have people trumpeting their cause on major networks like CNBC, and no bankrolling from outlets like ALEC. Big difference.
They both wasted energy by mouthing stuff as opposed to putting rubber to the road and acting. They both talked a good game, but neither one has any tangible results to show for their actions.
williebkind
November 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
Ok, I get it, where is my free stuff, and my huge salary. I want it now!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
guy
November 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
grannygodzilla Are you threatening me?
Please don’t hurt me .I’m frightened! Call 911
.
.
.
Be brave little buckaroo.
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
2:38 pm
Erwin’s cat
November 28th, 2012
2:32 pm
China to reduce taxes to benefit job creators and promote growth …. hmmmm
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When you use slave labor, forced child labor, murder children and old people, steal land at whim, and murder dissenters, you don’t have a whole lot of social expenses………. hmmmmmmmm
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:38 pm
Ok Fred……..Had I started?…..Please inform me of a name I called you that you were sensitive about? That’s so I will not repeat it.
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
2:39 pm
williebkind
November 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
Ok, I get it, where is my free stuff, and my huge salary. I want it now!
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It’s in the imagination of your FOXBOT puppet masters. Aks Rush or Sean how to get it. Ask them for the names of those getting it.
Regnad Kcin
November 28th, 2012
2:40 pm
“Ok, I get it, where is my free stuff, and my huge salary. I want it now!”
Romney said, no free stuff unless you voted for Obama…
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
2:41 pm
Back atcha Redcoat. What name did I call you?
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:41 pm
Fred …….Are the people free in China?……I believe the government, run by communist, call the shots. And best I can determine their leaders are all very well off and not the general population…..I’m I seeing this wrong?
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
2:43 pm
Fred
Is that your solution?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
2:43 pm
My oh my…..First Saxby then this…..
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/11/28/1248781/isakson-susan-rice-libya/
Mick
November 28th, 2012
2:43 pm
car
Grasshopper, what work in china may not work in rest of world…
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:43 pm
Oh yeah Fred…….you didn’t inform me about those cuts Dems/Libs and pushing for…….I’ll wait…thanks
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
2:44 pm
Redcoat: The people in China are not only NOT free, but they never have been. You know this, why ask me? I was responding to Erwins Cat trying to use the Chinese “economic model’ as some sort of blue print of how a free nation that DOESN’T steal intellectual property should be.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 28th, 2012
2:44 pm
I’m gonna draw up a little sign that says, “Middle Class – Already work, but I guess I’ll have to work more. Donations accepted.” If I pick my street corner wisely, maybe I’ll get 4 or 5 dollars.
Alex
November 28th, 2012
2:45 pm
Fred and Ira…..Think about something you BOTH hate:Bush, for instance….now play nice….
@Granny, you forgot DUDE ( good job)
jersey is a country? and I thought it was just a state of mind……
moonbat betty
November 28th, 2012
2:45 pm
When I win the lottery tonight (with my credit card bought tickets) I plan on buying the AJC and renaming it the moonbat Times. I will then transform it into the largest, most powerful, right wing news organization in the US.
Instead of moonbats complaining about Fox News, they will complain about the moonbat Times.
So get ready.
Paul
November 28th, 2012
2:45 pm
Fred
Del asserted his opposition views tax hikes as a panacea.
I asked, ‘who?’
Del responded that’s all the president was talking about in specifics.
So my response was really a bit of sarcasm – “what, he said no entitlement reform is necessary” (which he didn’t) “because a few percent rise in the marginal rates will solve all our problems” (which he didn’t, but it’s the line Republicans use over and over).
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
2:46 pm
Fred….are we having 2 different conversations?
getalife
November 28th, 2012
2:47 pm
moonbat,
murdoch would crush you like an insect.
Swat!
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:47 pm
What is a FOXBOT?…..your tone made it sound very demeaning……all your responses to everyone has that demeaning tone…….Why is that?…..Now ….what name did I call you that you jumped my case about?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 28th, 2012
2:48 pm
alex
dude. dudette. transdude.
whatever flips your switch.
Alex
November 28th, 2012
2:50 pm
@ granny:thinkprogress:#3 tweet, barnry Frank doesn’t like another senator using WEAZEL…
“there’s your sign”
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
2:50 pm
Erwin’s cat
November 28th, 2012
2:43 pm
Fred
Is that your solution?
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My solution to what? the tax/spending cuts thing? The Chinese stealing our intellectual property while using slave labor to beat our manufacturing prices? please be more specific. I have solutions to EVERYTHING, didn’t you know that by now lol?
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
2:51 pm
What is a FOXBOT?…..your tone made it sound very demeaning
FOXBOT has not got anybody banned. Delusional lickspittle has. When compared between the two, I think the jury is still out whether FOXBOT is demeaning or not.
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 28th, 2012
2:52 pm
Wasn’t FOXBOT a dance at one time?
moonbat betty
November 28th, 2012
2:52 pm
Using the term “lickspittle” is a taxable offense.
and getalife,
you can be my editor.
Paul
November 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
Recon
“They’ve proposed capping deductions for the wealthy and reducing their entitlement benefits. Those proposals should I think be specific enough for reciprocating proposals beyond extending Bush era tax reductions for those earning less than 250K and discontinuing those reductions for incomes in excess of that amount. Those tax increases would only achieve revenue of about 802 billion over 10 years an insignificant increase.”
I do not have a problem with that. But saying “reduce entitlements for the rich” is about as specific as Pres Obama saying ‘entitlement reform is on the table.” So I don’t get criticizing Pres Obama for no specifics when all Republicans have offered is “reduce entitlements for the rich.”
The rest of your post mixed entitlement reform with tax code reform, while the topic I understood was that Pres Obama was not specific on entitlement reform.
East Lake Ira
November 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
Fred – Just have another meltdown and disappear again please like the psychotic faux liberal you play here on the blog.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
2:55 pm
Per the IRS Individual Income Tax Returns for 2009 (that would be the year that we bottomed out in private sector jobs, etc., as a result of the Great Recession and therefore a down year w.r.t. tax revenues) those making >=$200k per year in AGI collectively earned about $1.96 trillion dollars. Contrary to claims made by some cons, that would be more than enough if they were taxed at 100% to completely wipe out the deficit and have hundreds of billions left over. So come on cons, educate yourselves. Preferably with facts.
getalife
November 28th, 2012
2:56 pm
“you can be my editor.”
I am retired.
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
2:56 pm
Me thinks it’s popcorn time….
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:57 pm
Fred…….?
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
Chinese stealing our IP??… we’ve been sending IP there in buckets for almost 2 decades…slave labor?…the slaves that threaten suicide when a job disappears…those slaves?
Just pointing out that China believes lowering taxes will promote growth…not that they have any idea how growth works eh?
They BOTH suck
November 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
Bro
Unless I missed it as I was perusing the comments I didn’t see anyone refute or challenge your 12:47, where you spoke of “fees” instead of taxes.
One of the best posts of the day.
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
3:00 pm
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
2:47 pm
What is a FOXBOT?
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A FOXBOT is one who posts the current (and past) mantra of Rupert Murdoch and the so called Fox “news” channel. It’s easy to spot. It’s usually a bunch of lies. Lies like…… Obama doesn’t want to cut entitlement spending. Lies like all he wants to cut is the Military. The Benghazi lie, the apology tour lie. The list of FOXBOT lies is endless and to be honest, quite boring. After four years of this crap you are absolutely correct, I AM a bit demeaning to the lie repeaters.
Obama has had a problem getting his budget through the Senate because the Republicans rejected it for the tax increases and the IDIOT democrats rejected it for the cuts in entitlement spending.
As an independent, I hold BOTH sides responsible. Right now though, the Republicans are the problem when THEY start acting like responsible THINKING adults again we can get on the democrats. But the truth is that the republicans at this point in time are insane…… well MORE insane than the democrats. Usually we can count on the republicans to be the sane ones, but that hasn’t been the case for a few years so we are out of balance.
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
3:02 pm
East Lake Ira
November 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
Fred – Just have another meltdown and disappear again please like the psychotic faux liberal you play here on the blog.
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Can you translate that into English please? You aren’t making any sense. How did I pee in your cheerios by complimenting your start of a plan? unless it wasn’t really a plan. you were LYING weren’t you? Come on now, fess up……..
moonbat betty
November 28th, 2012
3:02 pm
getalife,
You may want to reconsider.
After obama runs the US off the cliff into the abyss, you may need some help paying those taxes.
I am glad obama and his posse are finally making an attempt to reach across the aisle, but I think they dragged their feet for too long.
Hollywould
November 28th, 2012
3:03 pm
You know I read these blogs but have never blogged myself. All I see is supposed adults who try to one-up each other. Never get anything accomplished but having fun I guess. Blindly follow the left or right and expect others to follow their lead. Look, the GOP will die off, not hard to see as people with their hands out and illegals seeing they will win will always vote for who is helping them.As their populations explode nothing will change in their thinking. Can’t blame them for wanting more kids as mo money, mo money, mo money. Not rocket science folks but I am sure some of you think it is.
getalife
November 28th, 2012
3:04 pm
“Usually we can count on the republicans to be the sane ones.”
Not in a decade.
getalife
November 28th, 2012
3:05 pm
Cole is right.
He should be speaker.
Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
3:05 pm
They BOTH
It was challenged, but as is par for the course, the challenges were very deficient in logic and content.
bookman parrot
November 28th, 2012
1:13 pm
to Brosephus™
November 28th, 2012
12:47 pm
So what is your point? You don’t like money flowing from your pocket if Repubs are in power… but you are okay with money flowing from your pocket if Dems are in power??? Who is the sheeple in that case?
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straitroad
November 28th, 2012
1:20 pm
Brosephus,
Why not move out to a liberal bastion such as California, where the policies may be a better fit for you? They have the debt and high taxes that you may be looking for.
You have to remember that those are valid challenges in the minds of the deluded. As for the rest of us in the real world, we know otherwise.
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
3:06 pm
Erwins Cat: If you fail to see the Chinese slave labor and theft of IP then there really is no basis for conversation as you have decided to ignore the most important facts and chosen to believe and propagate lies instead. You have no understanding whatsoever of the Chinese culture and I have no desire to try to condense a lifetime of study into an etch a sketch version that will compete with your misconceptions.
Yeah, we SHOULD become JUST LIKE the Chinese.
Just damn, a couple of years ago it was the gddamnmed IRISH that the FOXBOTS were saying we should be like. We see what happened THERE with their “low to non existent corporate tax rate” don’t we?
Regnad Kcin
November 28th, 2012
3:06 pm
mbetty – some of us are willing to pay more in taxes, if that’s what it takes to put the country right again.
ATL Tiger
November 28th, 2012
3:06 pm
I’m down with Clinton Era tax rates, as long as we also have Clinton Era spending levels to GDP
JohnnyReb
November 28th, 2012
3:06 pm
“they (Republicans) put off tough negotiations on tax and budget issues until after the 2012 elections,”
Jay, you have any hard evidence on that statement or is it your personal perception and Leftie talking points?
What I recall is, Boehner and little Barry had a deal then Obama balked when his advisors told him his base would never buy it. Then, the committees from each party were loaded with representatives who would never budge – this was intentional. Results – Sequestration.
You can point fingers at the Left, but little Barry holds the lions share on not solving this mess sooner. Of course, Moonbats won’t agree with that but then again they probably think BO means Barrack Obama.
moonbat betty
November 28th, 2012
3:07 pm
Hey Fred,
It’s not a lie if you believe it’s true!
getalife
November 28th, 2012
3:07 pm
moonbat,
Thanks for your concern but I will be fine.
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
3:07 pm
I am glad obama and his posse are finally making an attempt to reach across the aisle, but I think they dragged their feet for too long.
LOL Moonbat, REALLY? They’ve been trying for two years now. The teapartiers thought they had a mandate while the rest of the republicans were pouting for the way they were treated by Pelosi and that other idiot Reid when the DEMS had complete control………..
detritusUSA
November 28th, 2012
3:09 pm
Hey wait a minute, you must be in the upper incomes who have a longer life expectancy than the rest of us peons. I enjoyed having my parents live longer because of Medicare and I truly resent some anonymous jerkface like you telling me my parents weren’t worth the money spent on Medicare to help them live longer and healthier. You just prove the fact that republicans have no heart and have no soul, your creed is greed and your god is gold.
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
3:09 pm
Hey moonbat: If you are NICE I will allow you to use my green egg and make me some BBQ pig butt and ribs for the SEC Championship Saturday. I’ll even let you eat with us. Well as long as you aren’t flatulent……… I’ll even toss in your favorite adult beverage. Or make a beer run……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmcJWPYcr1I
moonbat betty
November 28th, 2012
3:10 pm
Regnad,
Anyone is welcome to write a check for extra when they pay their taxes.
Perhaps anyone who voted for obama should add and extra $2K on to their tax bill?
Who’s with me!?
They BOTH suck
November 28th, 2012
3:11 pm
Bro
I missed those responses. My bad. I figured no one would acknowledge it for what it was, but didn’t see the responses.
getalife
November 28th, 2012
3:11 pm
The President is ready to sign the middle class tax cut but the gop (except for Cole) say no.
They want to add regulations so you can argue the gop are acting like Dems.
Weird.
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
3:12 pm
Crap. I wasted too much time. Gotta split. i’ll fight with you all later. I don’t even have time for a beer run now, I gotta cook supper and do the kitchen.
Liberal Nightmare
November 28th, 2012
3:13 pm
Lordy what a bunch of total twits. Amusing twits, but twits nonetheless. Tax the rich and give to the poor – what a novel idea. Unfortunately the rich own the businesses that provide you goods and services and taxes WILL trickle down to those paying for said goods and services. Factor in the Inflate-Healthcare-Costs-for-those-who-work-to-pay-for-the-leach-class Act, and the net result will be a huge squeeze on the middle-class. You thought 08/09 was bad – wait until 13/14. Cut the spending NOW.
Simplified for the simpleton Bookie Bloggers!
moonbat betty
November 28th, 2012
3:13 pm
Fred, sounds good.
I was thinking of egging up some chicken wings and elephant oysters in honor of the tide.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 28th, 2012
3:15 pm
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
3:15 pm
yeah, we Should be JUST LIKE the Chinese
Fred – I never said that now did I?
and please school me on Chinese culture…It would have come in handy during my many travels there..but .thanks for demeaning nature of your posts though…for a minute I took you seriously
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
3:18 pm
“Perhaps anyone who voted for obama should add and extra $2K on to their tax bill?
I’m in, when those that vote Republican that screamed about the stimulus and its effect on the deficit send back their stimulus check. And of course I expect those same people that are now whining about the deficit and Social Security to send back the payroll tax break they have been receiving for the past 2 years. You in Moonbat?
too little time
November 28th, 2012
3:20 pm
Whatever the reason, the differential is significant. Lower-income Americans — in most cases people who have worked hard all of their lives — arrive at age 65 in worse physical shape than their counterparts, and for them, deferring retirement is a real hardship.
This. In most fiscal respects, I am a conservative. But Jay is right here even if he doesn’t know how he got there.
FACT #1: Some folks can run a marathon at 65, others have one foot in the grave. Beyond 55 or 60, there is a HUGE disparity in cognitive and physical ability.
FACT #2: Just because someone lives to 100 doesn’t mean they can work until age 95 ! THE AGE TO WHICH YOU LIVE IS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TO THE AGE AT WHICH YOU CAN WORK. These two were linked closely when the ave life expectancy was about 60. These two (life expectancy/age to which you can work) decoupled a long time ago. Why do politicians believe they still apply?
FACT #3: There is a huge amount of age discrimination in this country. Lose a high paying job at age 55 and see what happens. Who is going to give a job to the average 65 year old? Those who can’t work, who have multiple chronic health problems in their early 60’s… those who need SS and Medicare the most… would be hurt the most.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 28th, 2012
3:21 pm
“Which came first, the chicken wing or the big green egg?”
–Thomas “Perdue” Jefferson
Regnad Kcin
November 28th, 2012
3:21 pm
“I’m in, when those that vote Republican that screamed about the stimulus and its effect on the deficit send back their stimulus check. And of course I expect those same people that are now whining about the deficit and Social Security to send back the payroll tax break they have been receiving for the past 2 years. You in Moonbat?”
Dannyx – if we all work together, we can do anything! (How’s THAT for inspiring!)
mbtc
November 28th, 2012
3:24 pm
“‘If you want something, pay for it,’” Simpson added.”
Ummm, I believe the American people are doing just that with the payroll taxes.
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
3:24 pm
“if we all work together, we can do anything! (How’s THAT for inspiring!)”
Now that’s the spirit!
Alex
November 28th, 2012
3:25 pm
@ DannyXXX: wall st. has the stimulus checks..ALL the checks….
RB from Gwinnett
November 28th, 2012
3:25 pm
“By overwhelming margins, Americans support the Democratic position of raising taxes on…” somebody else.
If we’re being honest about it…
John Christopher
November 28th, 2012
3:27 pm
until we hold all of Congress (including the Prez) accountable for waste, mismanagement and inefficiency we will always blather and slobber at each other with names and such……wake up
you whinny voters (dems and repubs) and get a clue……I hope we go over the cliff and maybe that is the WAKE UP call we need…….no wait, too many feelings will be hurt.
TaxPayer
November 28th, 2012
3:27 pm
I never did see a Republican post data showing how much net tax revenue has been generated to date by the 2003 and 2005 Bush tax cuts. Any body? Surely there’s a Heritage study out there for a Republican to cite.
moonbat betty
November 28th, 2012
3:29 pm
Danny X, fine by me as long as the tax $ is not wasted.
Fred ™`
November 28th, 2012
3:30 pm
Erwin’s cat
November 28th, 2012
3:15 pm
yeah, we Should be JUST LIKE the Chinese
Fred – I never said that now did I?
and please school me on Chinese culture…It would have come in handy during my many travels there..but .thanks for demeaning nature of your posts though…for a minute I took you seriously
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Ah, so they’ve taken you to a hospital where they have a mother with an unauthorised baby that they make bring to birth and as soon as the head comes out they stick a syringe of poison in it. Cool. They usually don’t let most people see that, but sionce YOU are special, (and if you are doing business there paying suffiecient bribes) then I suppose you have full access. Cool. It was really neat when they put the date rape drugs in the kids aqua dots and sent them over here wasn’t it.
Yeah, you and Mitt. Great fans of the Chinese.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 28th, 2012
3:31 pm
TaxPayer — “I never did see a Republican post data showing how much net tax revenue has been generated to date by the 2003 and 2005 Bush tax cuts. Any body? Surely there’s a Heritage study out there for a Republican to cite.”
There is. Problem is, Heritage doesn’t bother to consider any other possible reasons for the revenue generated, and doesn’t have an explanation for why the revenue suddenly dried up like it did in 2007.
RB from Gwinnett
November 28th, 2012
3:32 pm
“Who is going to give a job to the average 65 year old?”
Me! My secretary is 78!
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
3:33 pm
“wall st. has the stimulus checks..ALL the checks….”
Alexxx, not true at all. Most American taxpayers got one too. Did you send yours back?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 28th, 2012
3:33 pm
Bears Player Suggests Some NFLers Use VIAGRA For Extra Edge On Field…
If an NFL game lasts for more than four hours, please consult your physician.
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
3:34 pm
Fred….why do you always deflect to a different topic?
I believe the Dems support partial birth abortions as well…what’s your point?
Erwin's cat
November 28th, 2012
3:35 pm
Most American taxpayers got one too
I didn’t
Recon 0311 2533
November 28th, 2012
3:36 pm
Paul, in my opinion proposing reducing entitlements for the wealthy or means testing is a bit more specific than just saying entitlements are on the table. I’m out again for awhile.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 28th, 2012
3:37 pm
Who is going to give a job to the average 65 year old?
Well, I got some big rocks in the back of the trailer I need to get busted up. I reckon a 65 year old could do it. If they die, they die.
RB from Gwinnett
November 28th, 2012
3:39 pm
“Most American taxpayers got one too
I didn’t”
Me neither. Guess we didn’t fit the redistribution model…
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 28th, 2012
3:39 pm
Kamchak – that was way off topic and I’m trying to NOT get a visual on what happens in the pile.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 28th, 2012
3:39 pm
Bears Player Suggests Some NFLers Use VIAGRA For Extra Edge On Field…
Well, I always suspected there was more going on under that big pile of bodies after a tackle than just gouging and cussing.
DannyX
November 28th, 2012
3:40 pm
“Well, I got some big rocks in the back of the trailer I need to get busted up. I reckon a 65 year old could do it. If they die, they die.”
Redneck just gave Republicans an idea for Medicare reform.
Redcoat
November 28th, 2012
3:41 pm
Fred……I’m not a BS artist by any means. I’m concerned about our country. I am conservative I guess. I come to this site to better understand different thinking on issues. I throw out things like…”go ahead and tax, get it over with”….because that is what I believe all Democrats want…..grow the government, make it more powerful over all the citizens and it’s what they believe will solve all our country’s problems. I don’t think that it will. Excessive spending to me is the problem from all politicians. I’m afraid to many, rich and poor, have plugged into the spending and become dependent on it. So much so that it has become their reality and they are blind or just don’t care to where that revenue comes from.
Ok…..that’s enough for me folks……sorry Fred If I called you something you didn’t like.
East Lake Ira
November 28th, 2012
3:42 pm
Team Romney continues to be disgusting:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/stuart-stevens-poor-minority-voters.php
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 28th, 2012
3:43 pm
…I’m trying to NOT get a visual on what happens in the pile.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
It was just a bit of drudgey spam. I reckon if others can post drudgey spam rabbit holes ,so can I.