The Benghazi narrative spun by Fox now in ruins
For at least a few conservatives, Election Night opened eyes about the danger of confining yourself to the right-wing information echo chamber. Because out here in the real world, as opposed to ConservaWorld, it turned out that the polls weren’t skewed, Mitt Romney wasn’t surging and a majority of the American people really did want to re-elect Barack Obama as their president.
Those who had relied on Fox “News” for their information were prepared for none of that.
To my mind, though, the utter collapse of the Fox narrative regarding the attacks on our consulate in Benghazi should be at least as instructive for those who are willing to see things as they are, rather than how they wish them to be. For more than two months, the network and those in Washington who follow its lead tried to create a firestorm of controversy regarding Benghazi, but time and again, as facts came to light, each right-wing claim about Benghazi was exposed as false and inflammatory.
Let’s review the litany, shall we?
“It never would have happened if consulate security had been bolstered as requested!”
No feasible level of consulate security could have saved the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team against an assault by 50 to 100 armed attackers.
“This only happened because under Obama, nobody is afraid of us anymore!” As Charles Krauthammer slickly phrased the argument on Fox, “these are the fruits of apology and retreat and lack of confidence in our own principles.”
Under President Bush, seven U.S. consulates or embassies were attacked, including those in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia and Syria, with considerable loss of life. But unlike Benghazi, none of those attacks became the pretext for crass partisanship.
“They refused to bring in the AC-130 gunships that could have saved the ambassador.”
The closest AC-130 was 2,500 miles away, in Afghanistan.
“They had Special Forces units sitting there in Italy ready to intervene but instead the cowards just watched our people die!”
The Special Forces units in question did not arrive in Italy until several hours after the attacks had ended, and were never in position to have played a role.
“UN Ambassador Susan Rice lied to the American people, and by doing so disqualified herself from consideration to become secretary of State.”
Rice accurately communicated to the American people the best, most current information as assembled by our intelligence community. There is no evidence that the intel assessment was altered for partisan political reasons, and former CIA Director David Petraeus and current Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper have informed Congress of that fact.
However, the best indication of how completely the Fox narrative has collapsed comes from recent events on Capitol Hill. Sen. John McCain, who had heatedly pledged that “I will do everything in my power to block (Rice) from being the United States’ secretary of State,” has backed off that pledge and in fact is meeting with Rice today. Sen. Lindsey Graham, who had charged that Rice had disqualified herself from consideration, has also changed his tone and is also meeting with Rice today.
Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, had earlier accused Rice of lying and said she would not be a “fitting replacement” for Hillary Clinton at State. Yesterday, Inhofe acknowledged that “I’m not at all convinced of that now.”
Those men may yet decide to vote against Rice, should she indeed be nominated by the president. But they appear to understand that they allowed their partisanship and anger to cloud their judgment, which is why they’re now moonwalking things back as quietly as possible.
In addition, State Department and congressional investigations into the Benghazi tragedy are still under way and may yet produce lessons into how such setbacks can be avoided in the future. That again is how it ought to be: When mistakes are made, you try to learn from them and get smarter, so you don’t repeat those mistakes the next time.
Right?
– Jay Bookman
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They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
Bro
I saw where you posted that 47% stat the other day.
Is that the final results?
Close enough for me either way. The irony is amusing to say the least.
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
New day, same lib nutters on Bookman blog
Oh Mister Niiightmare…
Lib-turds – up your crack buy at the corner today – it will mellow you into a non-rioting state of mind come Wednesday.
[...]
The question on every one on the rights mind is; “how long before the first riot starts when Romney wins?”
[...]
Countdown to riot time….T minus 3 hours and counting……
How will the libs spin the rioting by their populous who votes 90% Democrat? FYI – Sharpton has already used the “d” word.
heh heh heh.
Traci
November 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
I’m not saying that Fox is necessarily right, but don’t you think it odd that the president himself would continue to promote the story that the attack on the consulate was due to outrage over a video? Why continue to maintain that story line when 1. the president knew otherwise; 2. the truth would not set well; 3. there might be something to hide. No one has yet to explain why this story came out and was maintained. Fox News is willing to ask the hard questions that others simply seem to dismiss. Knowing the truth is important and paramount.
curious
November 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
How long did it take for the truth about Pat Tillman to come out?
Who was covering up?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
USinUK — “GAH – Ken Cuccinelli is SUCH a dick.”
He was running for something when I was doing a consulting gig in Northern VA a few years ago, and even then, people were openly referring to him as “The Cooch.”
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
Someone said a few days ago that Nero was one of those personalities that craved attention so much that it didn’t matter even if the attention was negative. I’m beginning to believe it. This poor sod must have been the one in school that everybody ignored so much that they wouldn’t even give him a wedgie… I guess I’ll just start to be blissfully indifferent to his rants from now on. It’s for certain he has no aptitude for discussion or debate. He just want to be the elephant in the room…sad, that.
Tom
November 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
Fox laughs their way to the bank as more and more readers of the AJC and tv viewers turn to Fox to get their news…I almost forgot how funny Bookman could be!
DannyX
November 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
“Fox News is willing to ask the hard questions that others simply seem to dismiss.”
I like to think of Fox News as the home of “unskewed” news.
Stevie Ray
November 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
ATLANTAN
Here is link that is free…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/wp/2012/11/27/susan-rice-cia-director-meet-with-gop-critics-on-libya/?hpid=z3
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
Atlantan —
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
USinUK, sweet talking them like that won’t help
It will be nice to see that state go Blue eventually….
Nero
November 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
Leeches like Bocephus are gonna take it the hardest when they realize their vote turned into a double-cross. The sad and shocked faces will be the icing on the cake. I can’t wait! So excited!!
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
wow:
France announced Tuesday that it plans to vote in favor of recognizing a Palestinian state at the U.N. General Assembly this week.
JamVet
November 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
“This only happened because under Obama, nobody is afraid of us anymore!” ~Charles Krauthammer
Personally, I am very afraid of Charles.
He may well be the only man alive who could star in a monster movie without make up and without changing persona.
But a scene of him choking on his own Obama-hating bile would be kinda cool for the kiddies to watch though…
Stevie Ray
November 27th, 2012
12:32 pm
Tom
November 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
You have a point…it would appear that as embarrassing as it may be, many here tune into FOX in a closet. MSNBC is no different…
Too bad the media is now news…I’m getting most of my “news” from Wash Post, BBC America and Guardian..that’s a statement.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
S. Ray — “Birth certificate…good one. Not sure how that issue is related to the Benghazi issue…”
It’s another “issue” to those who have nothing better to offer than their efforts to somehow ‘get’ the President.
There doesn’t have to actually *be* anything there to get him on, just so long as they *think* there might be.
Y’all wasted our time with the birth certificate, and I’d wager you’re wasting our time with Benghazi, too. And spare me the crocodile tears over Ambassador Stevens; it’s apparent from the time, lives and money we wasted in Iraq that y’all are perfectly capable of overlooking far more deaths than *four* when you’re of a mind to do it.
“Since the investigation is ongoing, it’s premature to call it over…..we will see. I guess you are saying this is put to bed..then you may not see…”
Wake me up when you have something *substantial* and not bulldada, supposition and a quickened pulse, k?
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
stands
One of the funniest pre-election posts to me was from a fairly regular blogger who already ever posts any links, but posted Bob Seger’s “Beautiful Loser” and dedicated it to Obama and his voters and stated the election would be a “landslide” for Romney.
He didn’t know he was actually dedicated it to himself and should have just sang the song as he looked into a mirror.
Tequila
November 27th, 2012
12:34 pm
My counter points (noted with an A) to Mr Bookman’s assertions (noted with a J)
J: No feasible level of consulate security could have saved the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team against an assault by 50 to 100 armed attackers.
A: Yet 2 men armed with small arms managed to save 30 other staff members. Amb Stevens could not be located because he was in separate room inaccessible to the rescuers. Why haven’t these people been located and questioned to get their version of events?
J: Under President Bush, seven U.S. consulates or embassies were attacked
A: Resulting in zero deaths or injuries to embassy personnel. All deaths/injuries were to civilians on the outside of the compounds mostly due to explosives used by the terrorists.
J: The closest AC-130 was 2,500 miles away,
A: There were other aircraft in the area that could have provided a show of force and if necessary air support. The Navy and Air Force have a lot of tools at their disposal.
J: The Special Forces units in question
A: While Special Forces are the go to guys there was an Airborne unit in Italy that was available and capable as well as a Marine unit just off shore on the Navy ships. Either one could have provided some boots on the ground, instead a conscience decision was made to not use them. Who made that decision?
As far as Amb Rice’s comments, she was either willfully ignorant, very poorly informed or set up to be fall guy with her ridiculous comments. Saying someone is incompetent is not racist either.
Nero
November 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
Corbin is now butt hurt that I wasn’t impressed with his three houses and his “military” service. Boomer leeches always have the saddest faces. Maybe you should sell one of your houses to pay your new taxes that are coming. Haha!!! Boomer leeches are squirming!! You can’t buy entertainment like this!!
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
They BOTH
I think there are still votes being counted. From what I’ve heard from the chatterboxes, they think Romney’s gonna finish around 47.1% when everything’s finalized. I think it’s both funny as hell and karma biting him in the ass.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
“people were openly referring to him as “The Cooch.””
considering that’s where the majority of his focus has been since taking office, I’m not surprised.
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
Jam
That is the same Charles Krauthammer who after the 2004 elections claimed Bush had a mandate, but know says that Obama after winning more EC votes than Bush and winning by a larger popular vote margin doesn’t have a mandate.
Personally I could careless about “mandates”, but is worth nothing in terms of Charles Krauthammer and some of his loony statements.
Hope you had a good holiday weekend.
Finn de Siècle (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
Tequila, don’t let go of the hope!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
12:39 pm
so, Nero.
middle schooler?
or coke-head?
because I haven’t seen anyone this hopped up since … well … the infamous “I’m winning” interview.
Partisay
November 27th, 2012
12:40 pm
“If it was your son who died in Libya wouldn’t you want to know exactly what happened and why?”
There are alot more parents asking the same thing about Iraq…
DannyX
November 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
“This only happened because under Obama, nobody is afraid of us anymore!” ~Charles Krauthammer”
I felt a lot safer under George W. That big wet kiss he planted on the lips of that Saudi prince struck fear into the evil Muslim terrorist world.
clem
November 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
nero, i don’t need mortgage deduction…..and how long have you been a nutbar?
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
Leeches like Bocephus are gonna take it the hardest when they realize their vote turned into a double-cross.
I always knew there was something about Hank Williams Jr and his full on support for the GOP.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
12:42 pm
USinUK — “considering that’s where the majority of his focus has been since taking office, I’m not surprised.”
You saw EXACTLY where I was going with that. Nicely done!
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
12:43 pm
Finn
Or as Jam so eloquently phrases it:
“Keep Hopelessness Alive”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
12:44 pm
JHM – yep – I took the baton across the finish line
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
12:44 pm
TBS — “Personally I could careless about “mandates”, but is worth nothing in terms of Charles Krauthammer and some of his loony statements. ”
Chuckles Krauthammer is like the opposite of Professor X in the X-Men. Both of them use wheelchairs, but Professor X is a telepath whereas Krauthammer’s head is so far up his butt that he only ever sees daylight via tunnel vision.
clem
November 27th, 2012
12:45 pm
nero, clean up aisle 5
getalife
November 27th, 2012
12:46 pm
The end of the right in America is here.
No credibility, no hope and no more.
Good riddance.
Dum-Bass
November 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
Too bad your opinions don’t mean “squat”, Bookman. You’re just a $5 an hour “low boy on the totem pole” AJC writer. What you say carries no credibility whatsoever. BTW, anybody ever watch Susan Rice walk? Seriously is she a woman? Think they should play “Walk Like a Man” when she enters the stage each time. Also bet she is a huge supporter of the GBLT movement!
paulo977
November 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
Nero …..re your”gravy train ‘” rant
_________________________________________
Hmmmmmmmm are you on Mars?
http://government.fatnewt.com/government-services
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
12:48 pm
Bro @ 12:41
Great catch and comeback
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 27th, 2012
12:48 pm
It matters NOT……..how many mere mortals whose lives are snuffed out.
.
As long as “The One” and Hillery Clinton’s political lives are not threatened………all is well.
.
sick
Leigh
November 27th, 2012
12:48 pm
Mr. Bookman, you have conveniently neglected to mention that the Obama Administration told the public that a spontaneous protest about a You Tube video was the cause of the attack for about 2 weeks. This material omission on your part makes your analysis faulty. We had drones, surveillance cameras, and eyewitness accounts that there was no spontaneous protest. Perhaps Ambassador Rice did not know there were no protest, but someone in the Obama Administration made the decision to lie to the public. There was no reason to make up a story. The public would have been satisfied with a simple “we are investigating what happened.” Since the the majority of the mainstream media refuses to hold Obama accountable for his actions, we should be thankful that there’s at least one network willing to ask questions. You come off as a mouthpiece for the Adminstration, excusing its intentional lies. Sheeple, anyone?
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
November 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
However, the best indication of how completely the Fox narrative has collapsed comes from recent events on Capitol Hill. Sen. John McCain, who had heatedly pledged that “I will do everything in my power to block (Rice) from being the United States’ secretary of State,” has backed off that pledge and in fact is meeting with Rice today. Sen. Lindsey Graham, who had charged that Rice had disqualified herself from consideration, has also changed his tone and is also meeting with Rice today.
Might check AOL headlines for this one Jay Boy!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
D. Bass — “Too bad your opinions don’t mean “squat”, Bookman.”
Is your real name Todd?
‘Cause if it is, we could call you Dum-Bass Todd.
Donovan
November 27th, 2012
12:50 pm
Hussein: You give elitists a bad name.
A liberal trying to school me on military weapons is not a good idea. An AC-130 has multiple gun systems besides the 105 howitzer. Look it up sometime. This aircraft has better capability to do more precise targeting than most in a dense environment. That’s what it does best.
By the way…its 105 does a wonderful job on houses and its mini-guns excel in dropping any squirters.
Nero
November 27th, 2012
12:50 pm
Aww USUK is now mad. Boomer leeches are gathering the pitchforks and torches.
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
12:51 pm
Too bad your opinions don’t mean “squat”, Bookman.
Is there a specific name for people who believe that quotation marks are supposed to be used to indicate emphasis?
JamVet
November 27th, 2012
12:51 pm
BOTH, back at ya and yours with the warm holiday wishes.
Like most of those disgusting Faux News rats, Krauthammer is a horrible human being. At least in the hateful guise he profits from.
I’m just basking in the glow of his and the GOP’s beat down three weeks ago. Talk about a crushing defeat for right wing madness and incompetence.
Awesome. Way to go America!
And I really do suspect that the neocons are still b*tching stupidly about Benghazi simply because they are still so highly p*ssed off that Osama bin Laden is dead…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
12:51 pm
What, you’re not counting The Ref?
Abso-freakin’-lutely.
The mostest bestest and funniest holiday movie ever!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
12:52 pm
“Aww USUK is now mad. Boomer leeches are gathering the pitchforks and torches.”
wow. coke-head AND asbergers.
interesting combo.
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
12:52 pm
Nero, is your mother a boomer?
just wondering why you seem so angry at a… demographic.
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
12:53 pm
I mean, I guess there might be valid reasons why someone would just get nutty about Americans born between 1945 and 1964, but I can’t really think of any.
bookman parrot
November 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
all your spinnings jay, still don’t remove the fact that BHO is the least transparent president and has so many questionable/disconcerting ties and so many unknowns … yet the libs don’t care and go merrily on
getalife
November 27th, 2012
12:55 pm
The right committed political suicide under President Obama.
They will lose a generation of voters but it is never a good idea for one party to control all three branches and President Obama will have a rubber stamp congress for his last two years.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
12:55 pm
Donovan — “Hussein: You give elitists a bad name.”
Better than the name you’re giving *your* ideological compatriots.
“A liberal trying to school me on military weapons is not a good idea.”
Eat it. Lick it. Suck on it. Savor it on the way down. The more you complain about it, the more you shall receive.
“An AC-130 has multiple gun systems besides the 105 howitzer. Look it up sometime.”
I’m well aware of the various weapons loadouts of the primary combatant C-130 variants, and I made no claim that a 105mm was the *only* weapon aboard, your stupid and presumptious response notwithstanding.
“This aircraft has better capability to do more precise targeting than most in a dense environment. That’s what it does best.”
It does *not,* however, have the ability to do the sort of surgical strikes that would be necessary in a suburban civilian neighborhood.
“By the way…its 105 does a wonderful job on houses and its mini-guns excel in dropping any squirters.”
And if you’re too ignorant to see the problem with that, then you’re too ignorant to be listened to on this issue any longer.
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
12:55 pm
“a majority of the American people really did want to re-elect Barack Obama as their president.”
Saying a majority of the people “really” did want to re-elect Barack Obama as their president” is a supposition. The fact is less people voted for him then they did in 08 and the national popular vote wasn’t sufficient enough to declare a mandate. As for Benghazi the contradicting narrative from the White House and state department was at best incompetence and at worst intentional deceit. The failure to provide adequate security after several requests and while justified based on the prior attacks was inexcusable. The MSM ignored this unfortunate loss of American life and that’s is just plain unprofessional journalism if not unAmerican on the part of a largely far-left news media.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
12:56 pm
brosephus
I must admit, the crystal clear miami ocean is to my advantage. Any large grey moving blob will be seen. Still, after forty plus years of swimming at the same beach, I’ve yet to see one. I guess my odds are narrowing on that front…
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
12:56 pm
So are the FOXBOTS and talk radio indoctrinated idiots spamming the same old mantra?
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
They BOTH
He sets them up, and we merely tee them off.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
B. Parrot — “yet the libs don’t care and go merrily on”
Of *course* we care. He gives y’all FITS, and we LOVE it!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
401k’s to be taxed?
drudgey spam
Leigh
November 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
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Jay Bookman
The Benghazi narrative spun by Fox now in ruins
9:33 am November 27, 2012, by Jay
For at least a few conservatives, Election Night opened eyes about the danger of confining yourself to the right-wing information echo chamber. Because out here in the real world, as opposed to ConservaWorld, it turned out that the polls weren’t skewed, Mitt Romney wasn’t surging and a majority of the American people really did want to re-elect Barack Obama as their president.
Those who had relied on Fox “News” for their information were prepared for none of that.
To my mind, though, the utter collapse of the Fox narrative regarding the attacks on our consulate in Benghazi should be at least as instructive for those who are willing to see things as they are, rather than how they wish them to be. For more than two months, the network and those in Washington who follow its lead tried to create a firestorm of controversy regarding Benghazi, but time and again, as facts came to light, each right-wing claim about Benghazi was exposed as false and inflammatory.
Let’s review the litany, shall we?
“It never would have happened if consulate security had been bolstered as requested!”
No feasible level of consulate security could have saved the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team against an assault by 50 to 100 armed attackers.
“This only happened because under Obama, nobody is afraid of us anymore!” As Charles Krauthammer slickly phrased the argument on Fox, “these are the fruits of apology and retreat and lack of confidence in our own principles.”
Under President Bush, seven U.S. consulates or embassies were attacked, including those in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia and Syria, with considerable loss of life. But unlike Benghazi, none of those attacks became the pretext for crass partisanship.
“They refused to bring in the AC-130 gunships that could have saved the ambassador.”
The closest AC-130 was 2,500 miles away, in Afghanistan.
“They had Special Forces units sitting there in Italy ready to intervene but instead the cowards just watched our people die!”
The Special Forces units in question did not arrive in Italy until several hours after the attacks had ended, and were never in position to have played a role.
“UN Ambassador Susan Rice lied to the American people, and by doing so disqualified herself from consideration to become secretary of State.”
Rice accurately communicated to the American people the best, most current information as assembled by our intelligence community. There is no evidence that the intel assessment was altered for partisan political reasons, and former CIA Director David Petraeus and current Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper have informed Congress of that fact.
However, the best indication of how completely the Fox narrative has collapsed comes from recent events on Capitol Hill. Sen. John McCain, who had heatedly pledged that “I will do everything in my power to block (Rice) from being the United States’ secretary of State,” has backed off that pledge and in fact is meeting with Rice today. Sen. Lindsey Graham, who had charged that Rice had disqualified herself from consideration, has also changed his tone and is also meeting with Rice today.
I think this contradicts your argument:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/27/gop-senators-susan-rice_n_2198255.html?1354035161&ncid=webmail1
Dawg Man
November 27th, 2012
12:58 pm
Jay, you write & complain about the right leaning news programs & right wing columnists that try to creat “firestorms” yet when do you ever write about the “firestorms” left leaning news programs (more of those than right leaning) & left leaning columnists create?
Wait! Let me guess. Left-wing news programs & left-wing columnists NEVER create firestorms they just tell the truth, the whole truth, & nothing but the truth?
Sure do wish columnists (left & right…includes you Jay!) & news programs would just give facts…the real facts not the ones they make up in their head.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
12:58 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
12:55 pm
“a majority of the American people really did want to re-elect Barack Obama as their president.”
Saying a majority of the people “really” did want to re-elect Barack Obama as their president” is a supposition. The fact is less people voted for him then they did in 08 and the national popular vote wasn’t sufficient enough to declare a mandate. As for Benghazi the contradicting narrative from the White House and state department was at best incompetence and at worst intentional deceit. The failure to provide adequate security after several requests and while justified based on the prior attacks was inexcusable. The MSM ignored this unfortunate loss of American life and that’s is just plain unprofessional journalism if not unAmerican on the part of a largely far-left news media.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Keep repeating your FOXBOT lies and spewing hate.
You lost.
Your FOXBOT conceived ideals were shown the door.
Most Americans think which is why your FOXBOT ideals were defeated.
Get over it.
larry
November 27th, 2012
12:59 pm
It has been forgotten that there were protests over the video in 22 different countries, including England. It has also been forgotten that on the morning of the 11th, the 2nd in comand of AQ in Yeman was killed by a drone strike.
The G.O.P has been looking and trying for their ” Watergate” for the last 38 years. I guess they will keep looking.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
12:59 pm
Recon — “the national popular vote wasn’t sufficient enough to declare a mandate.”
Tell Dick Cheney that.
By his announced standard in 2004, Obama’s 2012 mandate FAR outstrips the puny “mandate” that Cheney claimed Bush won in 2004.
Key Takeaway — Don’t talk smack unless you want the smack to be visited upon YOU in the future.
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
1:00 pm
“Landlside” Recon
And people less voted for Romney than McCain. So what is your point?
We can spin numbers all day. In the end, Romney was unable to beat a mediocre President. Heck in your mind, Obama isn’t even mediocre, so might be best to look internal at the party and who they nominated.
‘
That is on Romney and his team. Everything else is an excuse.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 27th, 2012
1:00 pm
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
“they think Romney’s gonna finish around 47.1% when everything’s finalized.”
And they say there is no justice in the world…
Nero
November 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
I say give the leeches all three branches of govt. Let the stink get so bad that this country and it’s leeches choke on it. It’s always darkest before the sun rises. We need to crawl some more before we can stand up and walk again. The leeches can own it.
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
“Landslide”
“And less people…………….”
excuse me
Mick
November 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
joe
**Key Takeaway — Don’t talk smack unless you want the smack to be visited upon YOU in the future.**
Bullseye!!!
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
1:03 pm
Mick
I remember seeing overhead footage some years back of a duo on a jetski. The newspeople were wondering if they were aware of the number of sharks that were in the water around them. The water they were riding in looked polka dotted with all the blobs under them.
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So are the FOXBOTS and talk radio indoctrinated idiots spamming the same old mantra?
With such pinpoint precision, you would think they all design GPS or laser guided munitions.
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
1:03 pm
Bro
When the “Change Ups” don’t change and the “Curves” don’t curve, they usually get sent over the outfield wall.
Aquagirl
November 27th, 2012
1:03 pm
A liberal trying to school me on military weapons is not a good idea.
Awww, it’s another one of our armchair generals. Y’all are so cute when you play dress-up like the big boys.
JamVet
November 27th, 2012
1:04 pm
Leigh, you conveniently forgot to tell us that Mr. Romney blamed our Americans overseas for sympathizing with their murderers.
Incredible.
It was easily one of the most despicable and outrageously stupid statements that I have EVER seen a party’s nominee for President of the United States of America make.
Why do you think he got crushed, steamrolled and annihilated three weeks ago? (Along with a bunch of the worst of the worst of the Republicans from Florida to Indiana to Virginia to Missouri to Illinois.)
Three words…
Unfit to lead.
That you rubes actually voted for that fraud is remarkable…
Real Scootter
November 27th, 2012
1:04 pm
So are the FOXBOTS and talk radio indoctrinated idiots spamming the same old mantra?
Yeah,but it is getting slow now. lol
guy
November 27th, 2012
1:04 pm
It was a terrorist attack and why was it not brought out to begin with? I don’t understand why not tell it like it. obama and the gang would have done nothing about it anyway, and with the liberal media on their side, it’s perfectly ok. No matter what side of the fence we are on,all these shady things will come back to haunt us. What we think as average citizens means nothing,liberal or conservative. I am not at all taking up for the Bush people but can you imagine the uproar if this had happened under their watch? We are ALL in the dark and we can do nothing about it but vent,complain,and argue.
Jay
November 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
“I am not at all taking up for the Bush people but can you imagine the uproar if this had happened under their watch?”
It did happen under their watch, Guy. It happened seven times under their watch, and no uproar.
(And then there was that eighth time, on Sept. 11.)
you can't fix stupid or Democrats
November 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
Bookman the liberal press reminds me of German press at end of WWII telling the people what a great leader they had. The press can not make him( obama) into a god or a good president no matter how you all try.
JamVet
November 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
Who was covering up (Tillman’s death from friendly fire)?
The Pentagon.
getalife
November 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
del has never been right about anything.
His batting average is .000 but that is the average of all the cons.
Always dead wrong.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
brosephus
When it comes to the ocean, you’ve got to have some attitude about it. Surfers have it, I have it, the unknown is always there. Hell, you can trip and fall down the stairs and break your neck or more likely be hit by lightning in florida. We are not in their food chain and at 6′ 2″, I’m a pretty threatening blob myself to them…
On another note, send us bama and nick satan for an unholy homecoming!!!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
Oh — and our new troll Nero?
I suspect he’s the old troll USMC.
Both are unnaturally needy.
guy
November 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
Should have been tell it like it is
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
They BOTH
Tref
November 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
The trouble with all the lame stream media is they can’t just give us the facts. They also have to tell us what they think the facts should mean. Jeez. I can form my own opinion. I don’t listen to news anymore regardless of the network because they think they have to tell me what to think about the news. But then again, I guess I understand why they do that. I am a retired educator with 30+ years experience and I’ve seen how the American student has been fed information to only pass a damned test. There is no longer any time for critical thinking and application of facts, ideas and skills learned. “We have met the enemy and he is us”…Pogo
guy
November 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
Jay, like I said we can only argue about things we can’t change. Rave on people!!!!!!! Go for it!!!!
mister.earl
November 27th, 2012
1:11 pm
Fox News Called Landslide For Romney
Tom Ricks, author and Pulitzer prize winner who has reported for the Washington Post, lambasted Fox News’s coverage of the Benghazi attacks in an interview with the conservative network on Monday. Ricks, who has written extensively on the American military, called the Fox an “operating as a wing of Republican Party” that “hyped” the Benghazi attack as a faux-scandal.
During the interview, which lasted only a minute and 45 seconds, Ricks responded to a loaded question with a remark that surprised the anchor:
JON SCOTT (HOST): Senator John McCain said in the past he would block any attempt to nominate Susan Rice to become U.N. — I’m sorry, Secretary of State. She’s currently the U.N. ambassador. He seems to be backing away from that. What do you make of it?
RICKS: I think that Benghazi generally was hyped, by this network especially, and that now that the campaign is over, I think he’s backing off a little bit. They’re not going to stop Susan Rice from being secretary of state.
Alex
November 27th, 2012
1:11 pm
@Jam: “warm holiday wishes” add horrible human being, crushing defeat, b*tching stupidity…..”warm holiday wishes”, uhuh…….You and Chris Mathews exchanging cards this year?
mister.earl
November 27th, 2012
1:12 pm
Cable Bill: $37.00
Caramel Popcorn $4.20
Watching Fox News Cut To Break ASAP: Priceless
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
1:12 pm
RAVE ON!
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
1:12 pm
On another note, send us bama and nick satan for an unholy homecoming!!!
I am looking forward to a 20 year reunion of the 1992 National Championship team. I think it would be fitting to bring them out on the field in Miami to recognize their 1993 Sugar Bowl win over the Univ of Miami.
Besides, Nick needs to cement his place in Tide folklore along Bear Bryant. I’m hoping they keep Kirby Smart to take over when Nick steps down.
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
Kam
Outside of the breitbart, blaze and newsmax spam, you might be correct.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
you can’t fix stupid or Democrats
November 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
Bookman the liberal press reminds me of German press at end of WWII telling the people what a great leader they had. The press can not make him( obama) into a god or a good president no matter how you all try.
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ANd the stupidity and lies of the FOXBOTS couldn’t get Romney elected.
Game, Set, Match.
Real Scootter
November 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
I suspect he’s the old troll USMC
I don’t know bout that Kam.USMC doesn’t seem like the type to be using a sock puppet.But I could be wrong.
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
USMC – if you check in
While I hope and think they lose to the Dawgs, I tried to tell you about Notre Dame, but you just wouldn’t listen.
Well the Dawgs do have to beat the defending National Champs before that happens. If it does happen, then all I can say is go SEC.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
1:16 pm
BOTH
That was the tip-off.
He’s no longer providing the links, but he’s spouting off the headlines.
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
1:16 pm
TBS,
My point is that this a divided country whereby Obama and the Democrats do not enjoy a clear popular mandate. In my opinion as I indicated Obama has not been an effective president and his style is either a result of an intrinsic lack of competency or a lack of personal integrity. Benghazi is an example in spite of the spin attempts.
Kujohn
November 27th, 2012
1:17 pm
Fox News is the new Comedy Central Hannitty should be a drinking game Every time he says
Benghazi drink
Throw granny off the cliff. Drink
Bill ayers. Drink
And his new one for the Xmas season
They wanna kill Santa. Drink
Don’t forget everyone’s favorite comedian. Sarah palin
Giving advice on foreign policy From her hideaway in Alaska over looking Russia
Nero
November 27th, 2012
1:17 pm
Kamchump has spoken. All hail the thug leech. Sorry to disappoint you “sport”. Long time lurker getting my feet wet. Bookman sycophants are so paranoid. Is your need for Bookman’s approval that bad?
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
1:18 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
1:16 pm
TBS,
My point is that this a divided country whereby Obama and the Democrats do not enjoy a clear popular mandate. In my opinion as I indicated Obama has not been an effective president and his style is either a result of an intrinsic lack of competency or a lack of personal integrity. Benghazi is an example in spite of the spin attempts.
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Yes, despite your lame attempts to spin it into a story, no one but the braindead FOXBOTS is buying it.
You lost, be a man and get over it.
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
1:18 pm
“I’m hoping they keep Kirby Smart to take over when Nick steps down.”
Depending on Saban’s plans that might be tough if Smart wants to be a head coach. Texas was trying with Muschamp.
Smart is paid well, but will be hard to turn down the money he would be offered if he wants to “run a program”.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
1:18 pm
**I think it would be fitting to bring them out on the field in Miami to recognize their 1993 Sugar Bowl win over the Univ of Miami.**
That one hurt – bigtime!!! Sabadoes not have many fans down here the way he left the jinxed dolphins. the fins have been lost in the bermuda triangle for decades and the canes have been no better.
It’s been a football famine and I’ve drifted away from the game.
Yes, that’s what a fair weather miami fan does until it’s time to jump on the bandwagon, then we are number one…