No, Speaker Boehner. Some things have no pricetag
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“President Barack Obama made a demand of House Speaker John Boehner near the end of their first White House meeting on the fiscal cliff: Raise the debt limit before year’s end.
Boehner responded: ‘There is a price for everything.’”
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There is a price for everything. How lovely.
I’ll tell you what the price OUGHT to be: $223,500. That’s how much Boehner is paid each year by the taxpayers of this country to do his job. And as Boehner knows as well as anyone, a basic part of that job is ensuring that the government does not default on its debt.
Let’s be clear: Raising the debt ceiling does not authorize so much as a penny more in spending. It merely allows the Treasury to borrow the money to pay the bills that previous Congresses and presidents have already incurred. If Boehner can’t or won’t handle that basic responsibility, he needs to resign.
This is really amazing if you think about it. In the 18 times that the debt ceiling had to be raised under Ronald Reagan, did it ever once cross Speaker Tip O’Neill’s mind to tell the president that, well, “There is a price for everything”?
On one of the seven occasions in which the debt ceiling had to be raised under President Eisenhower, did Speaker Sam Rayburn ever sidle up and say “Ike, you know, there is a price for everything”?
No. It was unthinkable. Rayburn, O’Neill and other speakers were horse-traders at heart, but they were also patriots who understood that some things just aren’t negotiable commodities, and the full faith and credit of the United States is one of them. Even Newt Gingrich balked at playing that card. And why?
Because in effect, Boehner and his fellow House Republicans are threatening to do great damage to this country if their “price” is not paid. They’re trying to shake down the president of the United States, using the welfare of the country as their hostage.
“Splendid little country you have here. It would be a tragedy if anything were to happen to it.”
It’s no better than a husband trying to win an argument with his wife by threatening to do harm to one of their kids. “Leverage,” Boehner calls it. It’s despicable, and Obama ought to call his bluff.
– Jay Bookman
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
6:32 pm
Sooth
They still have a great sound, but we lost an extraordinary voice when John Duffey passed away.
Orange12
November 27th, 2012
6:35 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/26/black-friday-gun-sales/1727409/
I wonder why there is such a big increase in gun sales? Scares me.
Soothsayer
November 27th, 2012
6:35 pm
No doubt, Kam!
josef
November 27th, 2012
6:36 pm
FRED
Oh, I’m here…I’m just enjoying a fight I didn’t start for a change…
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
6:38 pm
Bro
If just to show the lack of honesty and or ignorance of any given blogger in question, sometimes it is more than worth it.
Even though I probably do need to get a hard hat or football helmet.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
6:39 pm
Black Friday Gun Sales Hit Record High…
drudgey spam.
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
6:40 pm
They BOTH
There are just some here that I choose to no longer engage, but I can’t force my thought process on you. It’s actually kind of funny watching the deflection.
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
6:40 pm
Orange
There was an increase in 08 as well. The NRA , gun manufactures & sellers, along with right wing pundits are sirring up the Obama is going to take your guns away lies again.
Give it a few months, the demand curve will settle back down once the hysteria wears off.
Same as last time. Nothing new but those making and selling guns thank those who are currently buying into the hype.
barking frog
November 27th, 2012
6:42 pm
seven ambassadors have been killed in the line of duty.
two in plane crashes. five by apparent spontaneous
attacks by insurgents.
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
6:42 pm
“It’s actually kind of funny watching the deflection.”
Bingo. Quick easy laughs.
josef
November 27th, 2012
6:44 pm
getalife
“The cease fire in Israel is working.
I will miss Hillary,:
Me, too…wonder who’s going to be the SOS nominee? Nobody I can bring to mind can take her place with the same degree of competency.
Orange12
November 27th, 2012
6:45 pm
TBS
Yeah. but it is still makes me worry.
Lord Help Us
November 27th, 2012
6:45 pm
‘The NRA , gun manufactures & sellers, along with right wing pundits are sirring up the Obama is going to take your guns away lies again.’
Just as sad were people that went out and bought major appliances before Obama implemented the VAT…although guns in the hands of idiots is scarier than refrigerators…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
6:47 pm
Give it a few months, the demand curve will settle back down once the hysteria wears off.
Last xmas, a handgun was a very popular gift. More background checks were run in the month of December than in all of 2011.
getalife
November 27th, 2012
6:51 pm
“SOS nominee?”
Rice.
Hillary will leave her a better State Department.
clem
November 27th, 2012
6:52 pm
hey nero, cleanup aisle 7 now
josef
November 27th, 2012
6:54 pm
getalife
I agree that Rice is the heir apparent, but I wonder if she (or he) is up for the peanut gallery antics of the confirmation hearings?
Orange12
November 27th, 2012
6:58 pm
Did everybody get their lottery ticket? I know it’s a fools bet but it’s worth a buck.
josef
November 27th, 2012
6:59 pm
ORANGE
I do the Lucky 7’s…immediate gratification gimme, I am…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
7:00 pm
Did everybody get their lottery ticket? I know it’s a fools bet but it’s worth a buck.
If you’re talking about Powerball, the minimum is $2.
Tom Middleton
November 27th, 2012
7:01 pm
If they’re going to continue doing this stuff to us because we’re the ones who care about the whole country and they’re not, maybe we should start the campaign now to retake the House in ’14. I’m pretty sure the American people will understand!
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
November 27th, 2012
7:02 pm
Jay’s propagation of utter nonsense continues unabated. Baracka Claus did not just become dictator, although I imagine he fancies himself one. There is no reason for Republicans to totally acquiesce to the Democrats’ destruction of the country without getting something out of the negotiation.
Article in the Wall Street Journal today listed all government liabilities (majority unfunded, of course) at approximately $86 trillion. Should we just double that as the new debt limit to give emperor nero room to operate? God help us.
Orange12
November 27th, 2012
7:02 pm
Heck, one half billion bucks, that’s probably enough to keep the Federal Government running for 10 minutes.
getalife
November 27th, 2012
7:03 pm
josef,
“she (or he)”
Huh?
josef
November 27th, 2012
7:07 pm
getalife
Yeah, I saw that when I looked back…
The he was Obama…
Soothsayer
November 27th, 2012
7:08 pm
josef, every time I see this, I think of you.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
7:09 pm
It’s time, yes it is….will someone roll out the fainting couch? We have a customer @ 7:02…
1/3rd of Seniors Live on ($11,000/yr).....1/3rd of Seniors Live on ($22,000/yr) AND Only 1/3rd have more than that coming in each year. No Speaker Boehner.
November 27th, 2012
7:09 pm
“CONS using the welfare of the country as their hostage”
I HOPE YOU CONS ARE ASHAMED OF “YOUR”
SPEAKER.
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
7:11 pm
Baracka Claus did not just become dictator, although I imagine he fancies himself one.
You might wanna talk to Senate Minority Leader McConnell. He seems to think that Obama is necessary for the Senate to form an agreement to avoid the “fiscal cliff”. Nevermind the fact that McConnell, himself, is one of the leaders of the Senate.
I’m honestly beginning to believe that y’all conservatives believe both Obama is supposed to be Jesus Christ himself, and that he’s supposed to be a dicatator. I’ve never seen leaders who willingly give up their authority to someone who has absolutely none at all in their area.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
7:13 pm
….will someone roll out the fainting couch? We have a customer @ 7:02…
Mick
The musty old army cot out back will suffice just fine.
josef
November 27th, 2012
7:14 pm
SOOTH
Mick
November 27th, 2012
7:17 pm
kamchak
Too generous
1/3rd of Seniors Live on ($11,000/yr).....1/3rd of Seniors Live on ($22,000/yr) AND Only 1/3rd have more than that coming in each year. No Speaker Boehner.
November 27th, 2012
7:18 pm
@Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka “Knuckle-Dragger”)
November 27th, 2012
7:02 pm
There is no reason for Republicans to totally acquiesce to the Democrats’ destruction of the country without getting something out of the negotiation.
God help us.
=========================================
God HELPS those who HELP others.
REMEMBER?….the lest of these.
I have friends who are seniors and they barely make it to the
end of the month.
Can you imagine getting your income at the lst of the month and
ITS ALL GONE BY THE END OF THE SECOND WEEK?
GOD HELP SENIORS and REBUKE the CONS.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 27th, 2012
7:19 pm
“I’ll tell you what the price OUGHT to be: $223,500. That’s how much Boehner is paid each year by the taxpayers of this country to do his job. And as Boehner knows as well as anyone, a basic part of that job is ensuring that the government does not default on its debt.”
I’ll tell you what the price OUGHT to be: $400,000. That’s how much OBAMA is paid each year by
the taxpayers of this country to do his job. And as OBAMA knows as well as anyone, a basic part of
that job is ensuring that the government does not default on its debt.”
But OBAMA ran up the debt to incomprehensible levels anyway ………. THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT !
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 27th, 2012
7:20 pm
The “wildly successful” TARP, gate-rapes, drones, the CIA and FBI’s hijinks,Big Bird , foreign wedding bombings, bail-outs, and the feds’ other atrocities, and Brocephus’ retirement and other federal leaches……………………..ain’t free.
.
C’mon Boehnor……..Bookman demands s’more money.
.
sheeeesh..
Lt Dan
November 27th, 2012
7:20 pm
Eliminating the Bush tax cuts for the top 1 to 2 % will only increase revenue by 82 billion per tax year.
Should we let all of the Bush tax cuts expire to raise the estimated 423 billion increase of tax revenue per year?
I would be OK with that as long as it all went towards the deficit.
(Got my figures from CBO article)
I think we also need total tax reform. A simpler process that eliminates all tax credits or exemptions.
Flat tax or fair tax?
And by the way, if I earn money and pay tax on it, it is nobody’s business (especially the government’s) if I put it in an overseas account. I have a house in Costa Rica and the HOA requires an in-country account that has a balance of a minimum of 5 years of HOA fees and utility payments.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 27th, 2012
7:21 pm
Heard this today:
“It was just fine for Senator Kennedy (who left a woman behind) and Senator Byrd (a former Klansman) to vote against the first RICE but it’s “racist” for any white male senator to vote against the second RICE.”
Go figure !
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 27th, 2012
7:22 pm
“Arab Spring 2.0: Protesters Who Booted Mubarak Now Targeting Morsi”
Translation: Be careful what you ask for.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
7:24 pm
**But OBAMA ran up the debt to incomprehensible levels anyway ………. THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT !
But bush started us on the track to fiscal calamity and left the country BANKRUPT by the end of his ruin! NO THANKS TO YOU MR. FORMER PRESIDENT…
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
7:27 pm
“But
OBAMACONGRESS ran up the debt to incomprehensible levels anyway ……….”Contrary to faulty conservative logic, the President does not write or vote on legislation. He only signs it.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 27th, 2012
7:28 pm
The strawracist argument:
It was just fine for Senator Kennedy (who left a woman behind) and Senator Byrd (a former Klansman) to vote against the first RICE but it’s “racist” for any white male senator to vote against the second RICE.”
Steve
November 27th, 2012
7:28 pm
Raising the debt ceiling is kicking this rather large can of debt down the road 4 more years if we are lucky. Bohner better do his job or start looking for a new one. The promises that have been made can not be kept. Time to tell the truth and get to the solutions.
Lt Dan
November 27th, 2012
7:29 pm
Got to go.
Would like to some day have a discussion on tax reform, but no one seems interested at the moment.
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
7:30 pm
I wonder if this will be part of the debt negotiations…
(Reuters) – Defense contractor Lockheed Martin Corp said Marillyn Hewson, set to become chief executive on January 1, would receive an annual base salary of $1.38 million and a target bonus percentage of 175 percent in 2013.
Hewson, who became president and chief operating officer earlier this month, will receive an annual base salary of $1.1 million this year, up from $700,000, the company said in a regulatory filing.
The company said Hewson would receive a target bonus percentage of 125 percent in 2012, up from 90 percent.
http://news.yahoo.com/lockheed-martin-raises-compensation-ceo-elect-hewson-233352447–finance.html
I wonder if she’ll send a thank you notice to taxpayers for her 175% bonus on top of that million dollar plus salary.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
7:30 pm
brosephus
Yes, you are absolutely correct – civics 101. It’s all happening at the congress…
Doggone/GA
November 27th, 2012
7:30 pm
“Contrary to faulty conservative logic, the President does not write or vote on legislation. He only signs it”
True…but if he signs it then he shares equal responsibility, because there is always the option to veto. It would only be the sole fault of Congress if they pass the bill over a Presidential veto.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 27th, 2012
7:30 pm
I wonder: What would the conned be saying to Mr. Boehner if Mitt had won? Would the debt ceiling be lifted?
RAMZAD
November 27th, 2012
7:31 pm
Republicans have a price list with ever conceivable American value on it.
The price of a woman’s right to control her body and how far up in her vagina she allows the government to go. The price of hard working taxpaying Americans right have some semblance of decent and affordable health care. The price of the right of American young people to get a decent affordable and government subsided education.
So that Boehner had decided to politically extort Obama to keep the government functioning is no surprise.
Americans who care about the future of America should get it through their concrete skulls that Republicans don’t care about America except that it be kept an economic feeding tree for themselves and their well connected cronies. Republicans are vampires.
Oscar
November 27th, 2012
7:34 pm
Boehner extorting Obama can only happen if Obama cares more about the country than Boehner does.
Looks like Obama cares more. Boehner is willing to drive it over a cliff if he doesn’t get what he wants. Shows who cares less.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
7:34 pm
0311
Where do you get your info? I have not read anything of the sort. By the way, who gives a ratz arse what anybody says about your vote on a confirmation? I wouldn’t have voted for condi and the current rice hasn’t even been nominated, hillary is still working. Cross that bridge when we get there, she wouldn’t be my first choice…
Old Goober
November 27th, 2012
7:35 pm
Question is, is Social Security an entitlement that’s breaking the bank (not just for Scooter, anyone else please feel free to chime in).
Answer is, No. Social Security had this huge pile of money representing the contributions of millions of wage workers. Congress wanted to fund all these goodies to buy votes. Since borrowing money to pay for the goodies might prove unpopular, Congress decided to spend the Social Security money to fund the goodies plus dedicate every future penny that wasn’t needed to pay current Social Security benefits.
Now it’s proving somewhat painful to pay some of that Social Security money back, now that it’s needed to pay benefits. What to do? What will we do? Why, let’s gin up a myth that Social Security is going broke fast. Now no one wants to fund a program that’s going broke, right? So let’s pare the program way back. That way, we won’t have to pay back so much of what we “borrowed.” And above all, let’s not increase the contribution rate paid by the worker and the employer to fund any projected shortfall after 2023.
How’d you like it if the financial institution into which you’d invested thousands of dollars started calling your account an entitlement, as though you were leaning on that financial institution for a freebie?
Have I answered your question? If I’ve been a bit gruff, I apologize. I’m 70 years old and I’m sick of hearing people call a major component of my retirement plan an entitlement, as though my employers and I hadn’t paid a dime into this component over the 50 years in which I worked. With apologies to Joe Mama, I urge all of you who like to use such terminology to take your bull-dada somewhere else.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
7:36 pm
doggone@7:30
Great point, thanks…
Soothsayer
November 27th, 2012
7:36 pm
Now, see, this is what’s wrong with America. Some nut case with a gun shoots some innocent kid over some music. (AJC) I hope they fry this guy!
Soothsayer
November 27th, 2012
7:39 pm
Deer, 1. Hunters, 0.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 27th, 2012
7:39 pm
Sooth, I saw that earlier. Very troubling from the little information posted and looks even worse that Trayon Martin. But I would be careful not to rush to judgment until more facts are out.
getalife
November 27th, 2012
7:43 pm
Lieberman said Rice is qualified for any job.
He left the three stooges.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
7:43 pm
old goober
Bravo man….I’ve been paying close to that fifty years myself…It’s a brilliant plan and can be around for perpetuity as each new generation protects their elders…which one day THEY, god willing, will be a member of…
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
7:45 pm
True…but if he signs it then he shares equal responsibility, because there is always the option to veto.
Even then, the onus is not only on the POTUS, regardless of who’s in office.
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On a lighter note, you gotta admire people with a wicked sense of humor. This is a skit from a Brazilian hidden camera show. They fake an electrical problem in an elevator, and the results when the lights come back on are funny to all, except for the people in the elevator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJveRDptDs
Paul
November 27th, 2012
7:45 pm
Evening, Brosephus
Did you see that article (discussed on this blog, I believe) a while back showing how much more major defense CEOs are paid compared to corporations without huge military contracts?
More taxpayer subsidies to pay extra than the free market would dictate, eh?
Paul
November 27th, 2012
7:49 pm
Old Goober
I understand your point is, SS has been funding non-SS programs for years, yet Republicans say its an entitlement that’s going to be insolvent so to fix it we need to cut benefits and raise premiums.
Rather than just, say, letting SS fund SS.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
7:54 pm
brosephus
Classic!!! In america, odds are that the little girl would be pumped with some lead before the day was out…
Oscar
November 27th, 2012
7:56 pm
Rather than just, say, letting SS fund SS.
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There is more money going out in SS payments now then is coming in. And that will be true for years to come. Too many more baby boomers than workers.
If we limit the payments to the amounts coming in, people will not get what they were promised.
Other choice is to raise taxes to fund the payments.
Take your choice.
Paul
November 27th, 2012
8:00 pm
Oscar
Or to use an inflation calculation more matched to retirees actual costs.
And/or to ever so slightly raise the retirement age.
Everything I’ve recently seen shows the system is solvent for years to come and a few minor, yet politically volatile, tweaks are really all that’s needed.
So my point is, with all this talk from Republicans about entitlement reform, it seems we should be looking mostly at Medicare, then Medicaid, with SS pretty much a nonissue in the current dilemma.
AFF
November 27th, 2012
8:07 pm
The GOP have been trying to claim that the American voters decided to keep Boehner as Speaker. This is false. Over half of American voters voted for DEM representatives GOP led legislatures gerryrigged districts to give the GOP the House. I believe that this is an issue that should be brought to the forfront of today’s political discussions. Over half of Ohio voters selected for DEM representatives, but Ohio sent 8 GOPs and 4 DEMs to the house. Same story in Pennsylvania, NC, and Michigan.
guy
November 27th, 2012
8:11 pm
JamVet,If only you were cut off from the 47% that you boast about that is yours.Enjoy because nothing is free and nothing is forever.Can’t wait even if we all suffer too!
Jack ®
November 27th, 2012
8:15 pm
Off topic a bit, but someone earlier mentioned the Affordable Care Act. I’m willing to bet that none of the signers of that Act have ever owned or operated a business that had 50 or more employees. I’m willing to bet they never owned or operated a business of any size. And likely, they didn’t even read the act; it’s frightening. Point being: If Obama and like-minded people have their way, the government will eventually own or operate businesses of all sizes.
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
8:16 pm
Paul
I remember the subject being brought up. It’s about time for SEC filings to become known for next year. I seriously doubt that a single member of Congress will broach the subject though.
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Mick
I was thinking the same thing. I probably would have scared the crap out of that girl with the quick draw.
Ken
November 27th, 2012
8:22 pm
Jack, most democrats do not know how to run a business. They just destroy business.
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
8:23 pm
There is more money going out in SS payments now then is coming in. And that will be true for years to come.
Thank your purveyors of greed, a.k.a. the “job creators”. Their successful lobbying for “free trade” enabled America to shed jobs faster than a Chow with the mange shedding it’s hair. We need to return to the idea of building to sell to the world instead of building in the world to sell to us. More jobs (careers) with people actually earning a decent living will do more to help SS, the debt, and every other problem we are talking about than any legislation Congress could ever put out.
USA Patriot
November 27th, 2012
8:26 pm
“Let’s be clear: Raising the debt ceiling does not authorize so much as a penny more in spending.” Wow, JB, what the hell are you smoking? If you’re not going to “authorize so much as a penny more in spending”, why raise the ceiling? Oh yeah, to pay for all that BS that was spent (w/out having the money) in the 1st 4 yrs! Oh, I can’t wait to see how this administration spends other people’s (sp?) money. Just tax the rich!
Doggone/GA
November 27th, 2012
8:26 pm
“There is more money going out in SS payments now then is coming in. And that will be true for years to come. Too many more baby boomers than workers”
It was designed to be that way. Check out Reagan and the increase in payments precisely BECAUSE of the baby boomers.
USA Patriot
November 27th, 2012
8:30 pm
Yep, so let’s reduce FICA taxes for the last 3 years (Obama) and, oh my gosh, we don’t have enough money to pay the people that PAID into the system! So, tax the rich! I can’t wait till we all bail on this BS – enough is enough!
Doggone/GA
November 27th, 2012
8:30 pm
“Wow, JB, what the hell are you smoking? If you’re not going to “authorize so much as a penny more in spending”, why raise the ceiling? ”
Why don’t you try quoting the WHOLE thought? The answer to you question was in the very next sentence…which you seem to have conveniently ignored: “It merely allows the Treasury to borrow the money to pay the bills that previous Congresses and presidents have already incurred”
Doggone/GA
November 27th, 2012
8:32 pm
“Yep, so let’s reduce FICA taxes for the last 3 years (Obama) and, oh my gosh, we don’t have enough money to pay the people that PAID into the system!”
Got proof there’s not enough money?
getalife
November 27th, 2012
8:37 pm
The speaker is a moocher.
USA Patriot
November 27th, 2012
8:37 pm
Doggone – Your 1st Q – “It merely allows the Treasury to borrow the money to pay the bills that previous Congresses and presidents have already incurred” – Agreed. Now, how much has this administration run up in debt????
Your 2nd Q – SS is $24.5T short for the next 10 yrs.
Got proof they have the money?
DebbieDoRight - "Math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better" is essentially "mathturbation".
November 27th, 2012
8:38 pm
SoCoBro: There are just some here that I choose to no longer engage,
Me too. I noticed that certain posters will change their blog name, (but not their style), and then try to come after me to get me angry enough to get axed off the blog.
So now when I see them coming, I just turn my head and hold my nose. No sense smelling the things they’re dropping.
Soothsayer
November 27th, 2012
8:39 pm
WOW! This may be the “best” account of how we got to “here.” While the Right loves to blame it on lazy, dependent people, this article really shows why we are where we are now. Save it to your favorites or bookmark it. GREAT reading!
Doggone/GA
November 27th, 2012
8:39 pm
“Now, how much has this administration run up in debt????”
Wrong question. The right question is: how much of the debt incurred DURING this administration was actually approved by prior administrations and Congresses?
“Got proof they have the money?”
Sorry bud, it doesn’t work that way. You say there’s not enough money. Prove it.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 27th, 2012
8:44 pm
If made permanent, a new Social Security “payroll tax holiday,” reducing the ‘match’ employers pay from 6% to 4% of salary, will drop the solvency of the program 14 years, from 2037 to 2023, according to the Congressional Budget Office
Why is it that the conned are never embarrassed to post completely fabricated claims of stupidity as facts? I guess its why they are not embarrassed to watch Fox and believe in it.
DebbieDoRight - "Math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better" is essentially "mathturbation".
November 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
josef: Me, too…wonder who’s going to be the SOS nominee? Nobody I can bring to mind can take her place with the same degree of competency
True. Change of subject — don’t you just LOVE how Pres O set Hillary up to be POTUS in 2016? Its like they came to an agreement that if she, (and Bill), would campaign for him in 2008 he’d make sure he’d take care of her and set her up for bigger things to come.
They did their part, and he did his.
Gotta love it!
USA Patriot
November 27th, 2012
8:48 pm
Doggone -” Wrong question. The right question is: how much of the debt incurred DURING this administration was actually approved by prior administrations and Congresses?” Less than half of this administration – Dem’s had the House & the Senate until 2010 – Blank checks – you find the numbers.
“Sorry bud, it doesn’t work that way. You say there’s not enough money. Prove it.” – Hey, “Bud” – here ya go!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/12/how-big-is-social-securit_n_1770274.html
Orange12
November 27th, 2012
8:50 pm
“Now, how much has this administration run up in debt????”
How much has this administration paid off of the debt?????
Doggone/GA
November 27th, 2012
8:50 pm
“Less than half of this administration – Dem’s had the House & the Senate until 2010 – Blank checks – you find the numbers.”
When you have to lie to make your point you have no point. The Dems did NOT have a supermajority in the Senate for 2 years.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 27th, 2012
8:51 pm
Eliminate the cap of FICA taxes and there is no SS shortfall.
Paul
November 27th, 2012
8:52 pm
USA Patriot
“Let’s be clear: Raising the debt ceiling does not authorize so much as a penny more in spending.” Wow, JB, what the hell are you smoking? If you’re not going to “authorize so much as a penny more in spending”, why raise the ceiling? Oh yeah, to pay for all that BS that was spent (w/out having the money) in the 1st 4 yrs!”
From 3:50 pm
“Appropriations are available only to the extent authorized by law. Congress appropriates the funds. If it does not have have adequate receipts from tax revenues then there must be another source, in this case, borrowing. So Congress has already approved the expenditure of funds. What Republicans are now saying is ‘we granted initial legal authority to spend, but we will not make that possible because we won’t grant the authority to obtain the funds.”
It’s really a case of double-dealing hypocrisy on the part of Republicans.”
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“Authorization” is a term with legal meaning. Congress authorizes programs and appropriates the funds to cover the authorizations. Raising the debt ceiling does neither.
USA Patriot
November 27th, 2012
8:52 pm
Oh, really, what 2 years?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 27th, 2012
8:53 pm
“Morsi vs. Obama: The Professional vs. The Amateur”
“Someone once said that whenever the savages fight the civilized, the savages always win. The same can be said when professionals face off against amateurs: the professionals win hands down, leaving the amateurs with egg all over their faces.
The current situation in the Middle East offers a clear example. Hamas, a terror group that is always for sale to the highest bidder (whether it be Shiite Iran or Sunni Egypt), did Egypt’s bidding by rocketing Israel. The reaction from Israel was predictable and absolutely necessary: defend its citizens at any cost from the deluge of Gaza bombs.
Hence we have a crisis that was manufactured by one of Hamas’s master puppeteers: the Muslim Brotherhood rulers in Cairo. Are you following the professionals at work?
Then, predictably, the United States entered the fray with its current team of amateurs in the White House and the State Department. They needed to come across as a strong administration in order to prove worthy of the nearly 70 percent “vote of confidence” they had won from the American Jewish community during their election victory.
So the President worked the phones, dispatched his Secretary of State, and encouraged his amateur team to do everything possible to forge a cease-fire.
But by then, the professionals in Cairo had set their trap and it was working mighty fine. They promised the United States that they would do everything they could to help the President achieve success. That wasn’t very hard since they were the ones pulling the strings attached to the puppets in Gaza.
By the time Mrs. Clinton arrived in Cairo, the professionals had a gift waiting for her. The rain of bombs from Gaza had stopped. What a gift!
Within a few hours of the cease-fire announcement, the Secretary of State (in-waiting) Susan Rice rushed to the microphone at the U.N. and praised President Morsi of Egypt for his tireless effort to achieve a cessation of hostilities. And the villagers rejoiced!
Of course the good feelings lasted only 24 hours. When the professionals are at work and they have the amateurs entangled in their net, they move in for the kill. Exactly one day after Rice’s effusive praise for Egypt’s Islamist president, Morsi made his move: he decreed new dictatorial powers to himself.
The “reason” Morsi gave for the decrees? To avoid “attempts to undermine democratically elected bodies and preserve the impartiality of the judiciary.” Right.
Now the amateurs have egg all over their faces.
The professionals, who waited 90 years to rule this beleaguered ancient country, have realized their dream. With the absence of parliament and now a decimated judiciary, Morsi can, and will, do anything he likes.
Now Morsi is free to: impose the Sharia with its oppressive rule over women and non-Islamists; declare that non-Muslims are dhimmis (protected by the state in exchange for taxes and restrictions); and open the border with Gaza so more Hamas terrorists can cross it and create mischief for Israel.
The tragic part is that the American taxpayer is footing the bill for all of that. They are funding this making of a new Hitler in the Middle East.
In the past, I have exhorted America to “wake up!” But I’m afraid it is too late for that.”
Michael Youssef
Paul
November 27th, 2012
8:53 pm
Hi DDR!!!!
Is a certain little cutie going to get inundated with all kinds of presents a Mrs. Santa helper’s been stocking up on?
Doggone/GA
November 27th, 2012
8:54 pm
You said: “we don’t have enough money to pay the people that PAID into the system!”
The article you posted has this as the headline: “Social Security Funding Shortfall Hits $134 Trillion Over Next 75 Years”
I am a late baby-boomer…born in 1951…in 75 years I will be, if I live that long, 136 years old. Somehow I don’t think I will live that long. So how does a shortfall stretched out over **75 years** do ANYTHING to prove we can’t – as you said: ” pay the people that PAID into the system”
75 years is a long time to come up with a correction for the PROJECTED shortfall.
Try again.
DebbieDoRight - "Math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better" is essentially "mathturbation".
November 27th, 2012
9:00 pm
Hiya Paul!
Yep — both her and my nephew and the twins that are coming in January or December!!
She wants a pink play house that looks like the house in Hansel & Gretel, (the witch’s house with the candy canes for foundations and the ginger bread roof).
I have a friend designing it, and I know someone who can build it, (her Uncle Dudley). She also wants a pony, so I’ve been looking around for a stable that I can board the pony at — but in metro Atlanta, that’s darn near impossible!! Besides, ponies are expensive!
I’m thinking about trying to talk her out of it and get her another Barbie car, (maybe a Corvette or another Jeep).
My nephew is still too little to want anything much. He’d probably just be satisfied with the wrapping paper and ribbons.
How’s the Christmas shopping going for you so far?
NamVet
November 27th, 2012
9:01 pm
A pox on both houses. Bookman plays the “Bush did it” crap card. Bush was no better than rest. Clinton enjoyed a historical economic event from the internet boom driven by entrepreneurail capitalism and every president since has acted like the bust never came. It did, so did 911, so did Iraq, Afghanistan, Part D and the real estate crash. We have never paid the piper. Time to pay.
Paul
November 27th, 2012
9:04 pm
DDR, you are an AWESOME auntie! That playhouse sounds great. Just make sure Mr. Dudley gets the color correct….. If you get her the car instead, you gotta get a convertible and buy her some glitter-rim sunglasses, too, then teach her how to do the Princess Wave to all her adoring fans.
I’m doing my part to keep the economy going. I’m still looking for those ’special’ presents for the grandkids – you know, the ones that are irritatingly noisy for the parents! Payback!!!
F. Sinkwich
November 27th, 2012
9:07 pm
One has to admire Boehner in a way. He’s like that foolish kid with his finger in the dyke, trying to keep his country from flooding.
Idealistic? Yep. But he should understand that it’s too late; the majority has spoken.
He who robs Peter to pay Paul gets Paul’s vote. The Paulista’s have spoken. The leeches have latched on to the golden egged goose and will never let go. Well, they will when it’s dead I guess. But they are fatally myopic.
America is over. Resistance is futile.
RIP USA 1776-2012
RB from Gwinnett
November 27th, 2012
9:09 pm
Liberals….absolutely giddy over the prospect of tax increases.
As long as they’re on somebody else!!!
DebbieDoRight - "Math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better" is essentially "mathturbation".
November 27th, 2012
9:11 pm
DDR, you are an AWESOME auntie!
Why thank you Paul! You’re sweet!
That playhouse sounds great. Just make sure Mr. Dudley gets the color correct…..
We’ve been to Home Depot a dozen times — I’m thinking we’ll have to get a “special mix” for the pink. I can’t seem to find the correct shade on the shelves.
if you get her the car instead, you gotta get a convertible and buy her some glitter-rim sunglasses, too, then teach her how to do the Princess Wave to all her adoring fans.
Paul! That would spoil her rotten!!
RB from Gwinnett
November 27th, 2012
9:11 pm
How much are you tax increase proponents William g to chip in from your own bank account? In actual dollars? Anybody??
TaxPayer
November 27th, 2012
9:11 pm
Parents,
Please don’t let your Republican play with math. They will make up big numbers and hurt themselves with them.
USA Patriot
November 27th, 2012
9:11 pm
Doggone, maybe you out to read beyond the headline. Oh, that’s right, short attention span! You know, I love Christmas lights, they’re like Obama voters – they hang together, half of them work, and the ones that work aren’t that bright!
Merry Christmas!
barking frog
November 27th, 2012
9:13 pm
F. Sinkwich
Splashing foolish ink all over the blog. Largest Thanksgiving sales in
history. The leeches put more money into the pockets of job creators.
RIP OFF USA 2012