No, Speaker Boehner. Some things have no pricetag
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“President Barack Obama made a demand of House Speaker John Boehner near the end of their first White House meeting on the fiscal cliff: Raise the debt limit before year’s end.
Boehner responded: ‘There is a price for everything.’”
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There is a price for everything. How lovely.
I’ll tell you what the price OUGHT to be: $223,500. That’s how much Boehner is paid each year by the taxpayers of this country to do his job. And as Boehner knows as well as anyone, a basic part of that job is ensuring that the government does not default on its debt.
Let’s be clear: Raising the debt ceiling does not authorize so much as a penny more in spending. It merely allows the Treasury to borrow the money to pay the bills that previous Congresses and presidents have already incurred. If Boehner can’t or won’t handle that basic responsibility, he needs to resign.
This is really amazing if you think about it. In the 18 times that the debt ceiling had to be raised under Ronald Reagan, did it ever once cross Speaker Tip O’Neill’s mind to tell the president that, well, “There is a price for everything”?
On one of the seven occasions in which the debt ceiling had to be raised under President Eisenhower, did Speaker Sam Rayburn ever sidle up and say “Ike, you know, there is a price for everything”?
No. It was unthinkable. Rayburn, O’Neill and other speakers were horse-traders at heart, but they were also patriots who understood that some things just aren’t negotiable commodities, and the full faith and credit of the United States is one of them. Even Newt Gingrich balked at playing that card. And why?
Because in effect, Boehner and his fellow House Republicans are threatening to do great damage to this country if their “price” is not paid. They’re trying to shake down the president of the United States, using the welfare of the country as their hostage.
“Splendid little country you have here. It would be a tragedy if anything were to happen to it.”
It’s no better than a husband trying to win an argument with his wife by threatening to do harm to one of their kids. “Leverage,” Boehner calls it. It’s despicable, and Obama ought to call his bluff.
– Jay Bookman
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Dekalb comments
November 27th, 2012
5:25 pm
The House GOP leadership and caucus members should be on trial for treason.
When they played brinksmanship last year with the debt ceiling that eventually ended up creating the sequestration problem we have today, they were effectively saying to creditors of the United States we may or may not pay our debts. If we don’t get our way then we won’t raise the debt ceiling.
That raises some interesting points. First they are not worthy of leadership. Second, this is how children on a school ground behave, not adults. Third, the GOP is so big in talking about the “moocher” society. They were big supports of reforming personal bankruptcy laws under GWB (of course not touching business bankruptcies – they can continue with bankruptcies of choice to screw their creditors, suppliers and non-executive employees) chastising the individual debtors as irresponsible. They were doing the exact same thing when playing with the debt ceiling.
As a result the credit rating of the U.S. government was lowered for the first time in history. This means it costs us more to borrow money than it did before they played these games.
And as Jay and many have pointed out, raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with allowing more spending. It has to do with borrowing enough money to pay our EXISTING debts. If you want to hold spending down then have that debate in the context of spending and taxation but not around the debt ceiling.
I guess Orange Man didn’t understand the outcome of the election. Obama was re-elected by a significant electoral majority and a 4 point majority in the popular vote (more than Bush won in 2004 when he claimed to have “political capital”). The Democrats increased their majority in the Senate and increased their seats in the House by ejecting Tea Baggers.
getalife
November 27th, 2012
5:26 pm
The gop invented the fiscal cliff regulation to strangle the free market.
We must cut this regulation and set our economy free.
Tell your failed party to get the f out of the way of business.
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:26 pm
Glad you like it Missy
A "freeloader", Fred...
November 27th, 2012
5:26 pm
..is one who takes for free (i.e.- moocher class) what someone else has earned when he/she has no “right” to it, other than through a government handout program – and no, VA, and Wounded Warriors, etc, as well as Social Security Retirement Income (not to be confused with Supplemental Security Income [SSI] , which IS a freeloader program, and NOT to be confused with Supplemental Security Disability Income (SSDI), which is also NOT a moocher program…
But the majority of the 47 percent – not ALL, but the majority, are moochers and FREELOADERS…
Now, does that help?
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:26 pm
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:10 pm
Spare me your dribble Fred and put down that Big Mac…eat some lettuce, that is what Michelle would do
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What does lettuce have to do with you worshipping President Obama as your lord and savior? you said it pal, not me…..
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:28 pm
TaxPayer
Again, I have no problem with the increased taxes, I fear they will just be used to spend more and more. But, I also do not have any misconception of the impact on the debt the additional revenue will yield…
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:29 pm
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:21 pm
Getadouche…it appears your still have not changed your depends from last night…PU btw, for the record I kinda like Michelle..
Jammie…very much a devout Catholic, I just do not worship at the altar of Obama like the bulk of the folks on this blog…
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Liar. You are the one calling him lord and savior. I haven’t seen a sigle left winger do so. Nor have I seen one call him messiah. Only asshat far right wing republicans such as yourself worship him and call him that.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
5:31 pm
G. Real — “You do understand the meaning of a wealth tax do you not?”
Certainly. I wanted to establish what *you* thought you were talking about.
“Property tax is one thing but taxing everything you own year after year, I am not talking about income….but possesions”
I’m still waiting for your explanation of why such a tax would be *specifically* unConstitutional, please.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:31 pm
I’m still waiting for a definition of a freeloader. Did that person bail? I don’t blame them……
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 27th, 2012
5:31 pm
debt crisis? Nope. Not any more than we are hitting a “cliff”. Debt issues and concerns? Most definitely and we need to address them sensibly and seriously, which the conned have yet to do after driving us down this road. Now if you want a crisis, you should consider the climate.
josef
November 27th, 2012
5:31 pm
I’ll bet the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS could come up with a budget compromise…
Oscar
November 27th, 2012
5:31 pm
As far as the additional revenue increased taxes will have and the deficit.
Every little bit helps.
Uh, barking frog...
November 27th, 2012
5:32 pm
…that is EXACTLY why AIG got into trouble – those things with Goldman Sachs and others were NOT insurance contract (you can look up what “insurance” is on your own) – Credit Default Swaps (CDS) and Credit Debt Obligations(CDO) are NOT insurance but are guarantees from one company to another –
and these were not very well understood by those who wrote them or those who bought them, yet AIG did the right thing when the government bailed them out, they just did not do a very good job of getting the government guarantees at the time the Feds had them by the nuts back in 2008…but enough of this, that is old news, and I am still a victim of that fallout…but so what – life sucks, and then you die…
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:33 pm
Fred, worshipping Obama would be the last thing I would do; I will leave that to you and the other liberal experts on this blog
Oscar
November 27th, 2012
5:34 pm
Joe – no direct tax is allowed, except for a tax on income, passed by amendment.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:35 pm
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:33 pm
Fred, worshipping Obama would be the last thing I would do; I will leave that to you and the other liberal experts on this blog
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But You ARE doing it. YOU called him the Lord and Savior, not anyone else. Were you lting then or lying now? Which is it?
Or are you just too stupid to remember that you called him that? I know you FOXBOTS aren’t very bright…….
skipper
November 27th, 2012
5:35 pm
Hey ya’ll, don’t hurt Boehner’s feelings…..he may cry! lol. Now I am reminded why I am an Independant. When the Repubs have the House, we get Boehner….when the Dems had it we get Pelosi…….Good God Almighty, we are screwed any way we look with either of those two! Hey guys on this blog………any takers??????
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Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:36 pm
Sorry Fred, but denial is not a river in Egypt…..
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
5:37 pm
A “freeloader” — “a government handout program – and no, VA, and Wounded Warriors”
The Wounded Warrior Project is not a government program at all. It’s a 501c3 *nonprofit charity.*
As a disabled veteran who has regularly contributed to the WWP for the last four years, I sincerely appreciate you plugging them, but I think you should probably know more about them, too. So here you go.
http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:37 pm
skipper: As an independent as well, the fact the Boehner makes Pelosi look sane scares the hell out of me. Nuttin’ good can come of this.
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:39 pm
Absolutely nothing or nobody could ever make Pelosi look sane…not even close..
Lynnie Gal
November 27th, 2012
5:39 pm
Obama should tell Boehner “Go ahead and shoot, then. We’re not paying the ransom.” Let the House Republicans shoot. Americans are clear on who is obstructing the recovery and protecting the rich at the expense of everyone else.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
5:39 pm
Oscar — “Joe – no direct tax is allowed, except for a tax on income, passed by amendment.”
Thanks much for the clarification, Oscar. I clearly need to look at that closely this evening.
JamVet
November 27th, 2012
5:39 pm
Get Real, I can respect that.
I just think that your worshiping the GOP as your Lord and Savior is a form of idolatry…
bookman parrot
November 27th, 2012
5:39 pm
it is a good thing we have the messiah BHO out there looking out for us… no biases or ulterior motives …
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:40 pm
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:36 pm
Sorry Fred, but denial is not a river in Egypt…..
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Wow. You really ARE stupid. The NILE RIVER is a river in Egypt. Denial has a completely different meaning. I know you are a FOXBOT and not used to dealing in truth, but TRY please. Here is what denial is.
de·ni·al
[dih-nahy-uh l] Show IPA
noun
1.
an assertion that something said, believed, alleged, etc., is false: Despite his denials, we knew he had taken the purse. The politician issued a denial of his opponent’s charges.
2.
refusal to believe a doctrine, theory, or the like.
3.
disbelief in the existence or reality of a thing.
4.
the refusal to satisfy a claim, request, desire, etc., or the refusal of a person making it.
5.
refusal to recognize or acknowledge; a disowning or disavowal: the traitor’s denial of his country; Peter’s denial of Christ.
barking frog
November 27th, 2012
5:40 pm
that is EXACTLY why AIG got into trouble – those things with Goldman Sachs and others were NOT insurance contract (you can look up what “insurance” is on your own) – Credit Default Swaps (CDS) and Credit Debt Obligations(CDO) are NOT insurance but are guarantees from one company to another –
…………………………………………………
GS bought CDS and CDO and bought insurance from AIG to cover them
if they went bad. They went bad and AIG could not pay the claims. The
US bailed them out and loaned the money to pay the claims.
bookman parrot
November 27th, 2012
5:40 pm
hey bookman, do you periodically during the day get on your knees and bow to Washington DC … LOL
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:41 pm
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:39 pm
Absolutely nothing or nobody could ever make Pelosi look sane…not even close..
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Idiot FOXBOTS like you do. You and Rush and Neal and Sean…… the whole pack of you discredited liars.
bookman parrot
November 27th, 2012
5:42 pm
it is funny how so many people have such expert opinions
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:42 pm
JamVet
November 27th, 2012
5:39 pm
Get Real, I can respect that.
I just think that your worshiping the GOP as your Lord and Savior is a form of idolatry…
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Jammie: He called President Obama his Lord and Savior, not the GOP…………. I reckon he’s admitting that the GOP is the devil…….
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:43 pm
bookman parrot
November 27th, 2012
5:39 pm
it is a good thing we have the messiah BHO out there looking out for us… no biases or ulterior motives …
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BHO is just a man. I know you worship him and he has become a God to you, but he is just a man.
I pity you.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 27th, 2012
5:43 pm
I’m out. All be well and drive safely.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:44 pm
bookman parrot
November 27th, 2012
5:40 pm
hey bookman, do you periodically during the day get on your knees and bow to Washington DC … LOL
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Do you/ YOU are the one who just said President Obama was your messiah…….. or were you lying again, (as usual)?
getalife
November 27th, 2012
5:44 pm
Our President should say “Listen up crybaby.Get out of the way of our free economy or I will unleash the ads showing you blocking free commerce.”
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
5:44 pm
I’ll keep it simple for the math challenged left wing. If your financial expenditures are such that you must borrow money in order to meet all of those expenditures you’re heading down the road toward a debt crises. Now understanding that basic bit of knowledge our federal government is far down that road to the tune of owing 16 trillion dollars in debt and we have to currently borrow .40 cents out of each dollar we spend to meet our expenditures and service our debt interest. That folks is a debt crises.
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:44 pm
JamVet
I am critical of both sides, perhaps a bit more more on the liberals as I tend to be financially conservate but socially liberal to a certain extent. But, I defintely do not blindly support policy just because it came from the right…no way..no how crap is crap whether it is blue or red
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:45 pm
Barking Frog? Why do you keep addressing a nutless troll who won’t even use a blog name/ He just scams yours…….
Mr Right
November 27th, 2012
5:46 pm
This thread has reached a new low!
Jay
November 27th, 2012
5:47 pm
Get Real, please cease the namecalling.
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:47 pm
Ready Freddy….
You really do not know me so you should not assume I am a Foxbot as you say, nor do I watchlisten to the folks you mentioned. I take it you think Fox is 24/7 Sean Hannity?
Jay
November 27th, 2012
5:47 pm
Fred, same request to you.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:47 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
5:44 pm
I’ll keep it simple for the math challenged left wing. If your financial expenditures are such that you must borrow money in order to meet all of those expenditures you’re heading down the road toward a debt crises. Now understanding that basic bit of knowledge our federal government is far down that road to the tune of owing 16 trillion dollars in debt and we have to currently borrow .40 cents out of each dollar we spend to meet our expenditures and service our debt interest. That folks is a debt crises.
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A debt crises brought about by putting 2 wars and an unfunded drug bill on a credit card. But you lack the intellectual honor and integrity to admit that. You lack the balls to take responsibility, just like your buddy Bush.
How does one call themselves a man when they have no honor or integrity? Semper fi my ass………
Paul
November 27th, 2012
5:48 pm
Recon
” we have to currently borrow .40 cents out of each dollar we spend to meet our expenditures and service our debt interest. That folks is a debt crises.”
Thanks for a description of the problem. Now… what do you suggest be done to eliminate the problem?
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:48 pm
Jay? Is foxbot a name or a description? Yeah I know there may have been others, sorry, but I need clarification on Foxbot please.
Wornout excuses
November 27th, 2012
5:49 pm
It’s pathetic, but amusing to read the ignorant rants of pro-Obama hacks like Jay who can always be counted on to blame others and never expect “Dear Leader” to actually show true leadership.
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:49 pm
But Jay…Get just brings out my evil twin
barking frog
November 27th, 2012
5:49 pm
Fred,
It amuses me to whittle away at ignorance.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
5:50 pm
YELLOW CARD!
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:50 pm
Mr Right
November 27th, 2012
5:46 pm
This thread has reached a new low!
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Really? By you coming on?
getalife
November 27th, 2012
5:50 pm
Yeah, it is my fault.
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
5:51 pm
Fred, you can’t offer anything substantive so just toss out names and insults from the safety of a computer through a blog. Your a pathetic person.
JamVet
November 27th, 2012
5:52 pm
I confess i am one of those who can be counted on to blame others.
I blame the libs, moderates, centrists, independents, greens, progressives, Latinos, Jews, Asians, blacks, gays and women.
For handing the GOP their third monstrous beat down since 2006…
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:52 pm
OK Get, I concede a 50-50 mix of fault….we start anew AGREED??
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:52 pm
Get Real: I didn’t mean to call you an IDIOT FOXBOT, just a FOXBOT. Sorry. I’m awaiting Jay’s decision on FOXBOT. Although I’m not sorry for describing you as a FOXBOT I guess I may have to find a new term if Jay considers it “namecalling.”
But seriously, why do you worship our President?
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:53 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
5:50 pm
YELLOW CARD!
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Instigator.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
5:56 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
5:51 pm
Fred, you can’t offer anything substantive so just toss out names and insults from the safety of a computer through a blog. Your a pathetic person.
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I may be a pathetic person, but I pathetically use MY OWN WORDS AND THOUGHTS. Unlike you.
But please, enlighten me. Just exactly what DID President Bush do to pay for his two wars and unfunded drug mandate?
Explain that and I’ll apologize for your lack of integrity and honor.
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
5:57 pm
“I’m tired of these muthaf**king quotes on this muthaf**king blog!!”
–Thomas L Jefferson
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
5:57 pm
Get…I watch mutliple channels, Fox included but not the programming our liberal bretheren and sisteren equate with Fox.
Also, if you are not part of the Jamie Fox crowd then I apologize. I just do not feel Obama has the best interests of this country at heart; he can talk all he wants I am just not buying it….
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
5:58 pm
Recon
Why is a left issue and not a right and left issue?
What exactly did Reagan, Bush Sr and Jr do in terms of the debt?
Talk about it?
getalife
November 27th, 2012
5:58 pm
Get,
“AGREED??”
I accept your surrender.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
5:58 pm
Sorry, Fred.
I posted that before I saw that Jay carded you too.
Dekalb comments
November 27th, 2012
5:58 pm
If you think about it the entire system is entirely upside-down.
When you have credit – a credit card, a line of credit, etc. the amount of debt you can incur is fixed by the lender and known. If you attempt to exceed that limit you are either denied or are subject to over limit penalties.
I’m not an accountant but shouldn’t each spending bill passed be subject to tracking against our current “credit limit”? If so then the action of Congress and the President to spend should automatically raise the debt ceiling (since we define our own credit limit).
It seems like the system is disjointed. Congress/President spend and only after they have already spent we consider whether to take the necessary actions to pay our debts. Obviously one factor here is the issue of revenues. If revenues rise then any increase in the debt ceiling may not be needed.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 27th, 2012
6:00 pm
No matter what the whine from some of our children, its not a debt crisis. We have the ability to address it and we need to before it becomes a crisis. Funny how those same children supported Mitt when his stated plans would make the debt worse but that did not concern them. Again, the real crisis is climate and it may be too late but keep putting your head deep into that sand (we used to call it the Midwest).
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
6:00 pm
“Explain that and I’ll apologize for your lack of integrity and honor.”
You’re unable to apologize for anyone as you have neither of those attributes yourself. As for enlightenment you don’t deserve any enlightenment. Carry on
Get Real
November 27th, 2012
6:00 pm
Get…sad, give you am olive branch and you spit back at me…
So friggin typical, thanks for the reinforcement
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
6:01 pm
Well, to Fred’s credit, he didn’t call anybody a delusional lickspittle IDIOT FOXBOT.
facsfacjaxatc
November 27th, 2012
6:01 pm
You are a flaming lib and it would ot matter what was said or done.
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
6:02 pm
TBS, why talk about administrations past when the focus is on today and what the current administration is either doing or not doing?
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
6:02 pm
Why is a left issue and not a right and left issue?
Because one half of the political spectrum is hell bent on never acknowledging they are half of the problem.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
6:04 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
5:58 pm
Sorry, Fred.
I posted that before I saw that Jay carded you too.
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That’s ok lol. I had strayed out of the boundaries as well, I’m really trying not to be so blunt. It hurst the little fellers fweelings to be accurately described. Little Kyle went absolutely batsht when someone talked to his worshipers as they talk to others.
Yellow card deserved.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
6:05 pm
Well, to Fred’s credit, he didn’t call anybody a delusional lickspittle IDIOT FOXBOT.
Wait a minute
November 27th, 2012
6:05 pm
Is this right? Thought debt ceiling didn’t have to be increased until April? If that is the case, getting it done “early” would probably involve a horse trade.
Also, the debt ceiling limit is not to allow borrowing for ‘past’ Congresses and Presidents, it is to allow borrowing for PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE. When you hit the ceiling (as we did in summer of 2011 before everyone abdicated responsibility and kicked the can down the road), you cannot borrow additional amounts (to fund the $3-4 billion the Fed Govt goes in debt EVERY SINGLE DAY).
Without playing hardball on the issue, how is anyone ever going to do anything about it? If the debt ceiling didn’t get raised, the country would eventually HAVE TO RUN A BALANCED BUDGET as it would have zero ability to borrow additional amounts. Not necessarily a bad thing…
Please make sure to include all the facts, they are quite helpful.
So let’s guess what the President said….”John, before we start negotiating on this, let’s raise the debt limit?” Only an idiot would say yes (well, a liberal/Progressive as well).
luckylu
November 27th, 2012
6:07 pm
Well, at least Boehner is an honest politician.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
6:07 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
6:00 pm
“Explain that and I’ll apologize for your lack of integrity and honor.”
You’re unable to apologize for anyone as you have neither of those attributes yourself. As for enlightenment you don’t deserve any enlightenment. Carry on
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I accept your surrender as you CAN NOT explain how President Bush paid for his two wars and an unfunded drug mandate because he DIDN’T. He left it for the next administration, as well as a collapsed economy. You can not explain any of this so you will lie about it. And STILL you talk of honor? Really? Oh I forgot, you also tell me what a fine Christian you are as you curse me.
Semper Fi my ass.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 27th, 2012
6:07 pm
Did I hear, wait a minute?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c7XcJaKLqs
Wow, barking frog...
November 27th, 2012
6:08 pm
…you REAKLLY have no clue what about anything having to do with AIG with comments like this “GS bought CDS and CDO and bought insurance from AIG to cover them
if they went bad. They went bad and AIG could not pay the claims. The
US bailed them out and loaned the money to pay the claims.”
You are just typing to hear yourself type – and then you say “It amuses me to whittle away at ignorance.” You are clueless, but, then, you do seem to be of the moocher class…so, carry on…
getalife
November 27th, 2012
6:09 pm
“olive branch” is a surrender.
Morality?
November 27th, 2012
6:09 pm
Obama talks a lot – but as for results with the Fed Debt – he obviously has no clue of what to do.
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
6:09 pm
“my ass.”
You’re all of that.
TaxPayer
November 27th, 2012
6:09 pm
Poor cons. Being confronted with the reality that they must pay taxes in order to pay off their debts that their party leaders created is just too much for them.
Alex
November 27th, 2012
6:11 pm
I’ll take an olive branch with my martini, shaken-not stirred(with my left and right hands in an alternating fashion).
From what i’ve read I don’t know if GS or AIG or LB or TD or ANYOFYOU know exactly how the recession all precipitated and exploded. AND with that brilliant anaysis, yet again, Goodnight and I shall drive carefully.
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
6:11 pm
Recon
Again why is it a left issue as you implied and not a left and right issue? (you avoid Republican administrations because it doesn’t fit your narrative that it is a left wing issue, but that is fine and expected)
Are you aware that Ryan’s budget had the debt going well on past 20 Trillion and for his numbers to even be close the unemployment rate would have had to been lower than what is deemed full employment? His numbers, not the left, Obama’s or anyone else’s.
I have stated my ideas: Phased in tax increases back to the Clinton years. Revamping of the EITC as well as cuts to every department.
Doubt it will get done because each side will dig in their heals, but to put it all on one side or the other is being disingenuous to say the least.
getalife
November 27th, 2012
6:11 pm
Lets see their plan before your heads explode cons.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 27th, 2012
6:11 pm
If the debt ceiling didn’t get raised, the country would eventually HAVE TO RUN A BALANCED BUDGET as it would have zero ability to borrow additional amounts. Not necessarily a bad thing…
Sure its a great idea
When a super storm knocks out an entire region of the country, before you send out the troops and FEMA for assistance, we have to talk budget cuts, right? 
Jefferson
November 27th, 2012
6:12 pm
Pea, you can blame them all, but the republicans these days break the system the way I see it. it happens daily, they are as childish as the day is long. Past republican presidents were never treated the way president Obama has been treated.
truth.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
6:14 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
6:09 pm
“my ass.”
You’re all of that.
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Nice deflection. So you DO admit you can’t explain anything you parrot. You have NOTHING of intelligence to offer to the conversation, just FOXBOT soundbites. When asked to explain them, you call names.
If Jya were as small a man as little Kyle, you would be banned lol. Thankfully, he’s not. I love to have you here showing people how intellectually bereft the Republican party has become.
Carry on my Semper Fi. Show us how faithful you are. Show us how much you support and defend our Constitution. Continue to show us how little you care about truth and honor………
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
6:14 pm
“but to put it all on one side or the other is being disingenuous to say the least.”
TBS, then you must have issues with your fellow Democrats. Off to take my daughter to the YMCA. Have a good one.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
6:16 pm
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
6:11 pm
Recon
Again why is it a left issue as you implied and not a left and right issue? (you avoid Republican administrations because it doesn’t fit your narrative that it is a left wing issue, but that is fine and expected)
Are you aware that Ryan’s budget had the debt going well on past 20 Trillion and for his numbers to even be close the unemployment rate would have had to been lower than what is deemed full employment? His numbers, not the left, Obama’s or anyone else’s.
I have stated my ideas: Phased in tax increases back to the Clinton years. Revamping of the EITC as well as cuts to every department.
Doubt it will get done because each side will dig in their heals, but to put it all on one side or the other is being disingenuous to say the least.
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TBS: He isn’t aware of a damn thing that Rush, Neal, Sean, or FOX didn’t tell him to be “aware’ of. He lacks the ability to think for himself.
JamVet
November 27th, 2012
6:16 pm
…moocher class…
THAT’S what I’m talking about!
The cons secret recipe for success!
It worked so well this time around, they are going to run with it all the way until the next election!
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
6:17 pm
Recon
And when did I say that I didn’t? Calling Obama a mediocre President and saying Pelosi and Reed shouldn’t be the leaders are not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
6:18 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
6:16 pm
Fred, Jay won’t dump you, you’re his favorite turd.
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no meaningful answers to legitimate questions, just insults.
Is that really all you have to offer?
They BOTH suck
November 27th, 2012
6:18 pm
Fred
In terms of knowing I give Recon more credit than that. In terms of being intellectually honest in terms of this issue (because he does know it is and has been a two sided problem), I do not give him much credit at all.
Dekalb comments
November 27th, 2012
6:19 pm
@ Wait a Minutes @ 6:05
The debt ceiling is calculated based on the THEN existing debt obligations as well as those likely to arise because of spending already passed but not expected to be covered by revenues.
So this is not raising the debt ceiling to allow Congress and the President to pass new spending legislation. It is to cover the bills that are already due and those that are likely to come due within a defined period of time in the future. It is at best a guess based on what the expected revenues will be.
Please don’t characterize this as “pre-authorization” to prospectively spend beyond income. That it is not.
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
6:24 pm
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
6:14 pm
“but to put it all on one side or the other is being disingenuous to say the least.”
TBS, then you must have issues with your fellow Democrats. Off to take my daughter to the YMCA. Have a good one.
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Are you alright to drive? You sound a bit…….. under the influence to me. Keep it safe, don’t hurt your daughter.
Soothsayer
November 27th, 2012
6:24 pm
Kam: great Seldom Scene! Here’s one from the new iteration. Only Ben Eldridge remains of the original band. A great rendition of a great Donna Hughes song “Sad Old Train.”
Fred ™
November 27th, 2012
6:28 pm
Where the flock is josef lol? School is out.
There’s no Doggone, Midori, or Keep. Ain’t seen Scout. Attendance is low tonight. At least Del was here. I swear if we could get that man to actually THINK for himself the world would change…….
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
6:30 pm
They BOTH
I wonder why you even attempt to engage that dialogue. You would have been more successful at getting an answer by running full speed into a brick wall.
getalife
November 27th, 2012
6:30 pm
The cease fire in Israel is working.
I will miss Hillary.