Hope your holiday was better than Grover Norquist’s

norquist_rect-460x307

Grover Norquist may be feeling a mite grumpy this morning.

Noting that he had signed Grover Norquist’s no-new-taxes pledge some 20 years ago, U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss said last week that “times have changed significantly.”

“I care more about my country than I do about a 20-year-old pledge,” Chambliss said in a phone interview with WMAZ in Macon. “And I care about the country that we leave our children and grandchildren. If we do it (Norquist’s) way then we’ll continue in debt and I just have a disagreement with him about that.”

“I’m willing to do the right thing and let the political consequences take care of themselves,” Chambliss said. “If we get this country back on track, that’s the most important thing and the politics will follow that.”

On Sunday, U.S. Rep. Peter King, a Republican from New York, joined the bandwagon, appearing on “Meet the Press” to say that “I agree entirely with Saxby Chambliss.”

“A pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that Congress. For instance, if I were in Congress in 1941, I would have signed a declaration of war against Japan. I’m not going to attack Japan today. The world has changed. And the economic situation is different. Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill realized that in the 1980s. I think everything should be on the table. I myself am opposed to tax increases. The fact is that speaker and the majority leader and the president are going to be in a room, trying to find the best package. I’m not going to prejudge it. And I’m just saying we should not be taking ironclad positions.”

And on ABC’s “This Week,” U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, Republican from South Carolina, joined the chorus. In doing so, he brushed aside a veiled threat from Norquist, who had argued that Graham would not dare to vote to raise taxes because he “liked being a senator.”

“I love being a senator, and I want to be a senator that matters for the state of South Carolina and the country. When you’re $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming Greece, and Republicans — Republicans should put revenue on the table. We’re this far in debt. We don’t generate enough revenue. Capping deductions will help generate revenue. Raising tax rates will hurt job creation.

So I agree with Grover, we shouldn’t raise rates, but I think Grover is wrong when it comes to we can’t cap deductions and buy down debt. What do you do with the money? I want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs, but I will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if Democrats will do entitlement reform.

Graham, like Chambliss, is up for re-election in 2014, meaning that both men are risking primary challenges by taking such a position. But every Republican who publicly repudiates Norquist weakens the man’s grip on their party and their vote, and that’s long, long overdue.

– Jay Bookman

451 comments Add your comment

Tundra Dude

November 26th, 2012
7:50 am

PinkoNeoConLibertarian

November 26th, 2012
7:51 am

I’d like to see Grover run for office on his platform and see just how well it resonates with The People.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 26th, 2012
7:52 am

I hope the trend to ignore Norquist continues.

stands for decibels

November 26th, 2012
8:02 am

Jay, welcome back.

I think you’re probably making a mountain out of a molehill. Fine, so Norquist has become the latest guy the Villagers appear to be throwing under the bus (although insiders like Grover always bounce back; they always fall upward.)

The kind of tip-money we’re talking about regarding the long-overdue rate hike on upper incomes isn’t really (to me at least) the primary economic story of interest today.

What matters is the Grand Bargaining BS the White House and corporatist Dems in the Senate are conspiring to ram through, that will certainly screw working/middle-class Americans.

(I know I sound like a broken record on this, but nobody else seems to care, so there you are.)

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
8:03 am

“But every Republican who publicly repudiates Norquist weakens the man’s grip on their party and their vote, and that’s long, long overdue.”

let’s hope that they start to take the same tack with Rush.

what a beautiful world THAT would be.

stands for decibels

November 26th, 2012
8:09 am

Darwin

November 26th, 2012
8:10 am

This is the hole that Republicans dug to get in power. Now they have to convince these same voters who have no idea of what sacrifice means to understand reality. Good luck.

Citizen of the World

November 26th, 2012
8:11 am

I remember when I first heard about this tax pledge, I thought, who is this Grover Norquist? Then I thought, why are our elected officials pledging to do anything other than uphold the Constitution and serve their constituents? I’m glad some of them are courageous enough now to say that was then, this is now, and it’s wrong.

I’m solidly upper middle class and pay taxes out the wazoo. But I guess I don’t mind because 1) I don’t live beyond my means and 2) I realize how much I get for what I pay in — benefits, services and infrastructure I could not enjoy without a government to tax me and see to these things. (I know, I know — there’s waste, fraud, abuse and incompetence, but it looks like when we privatize functions, we get more of the same and sometimes worse [see Florida for some prime examples]).

NamVet

November 26th, 2012
8:14 am

Let’s just hope there are enough “no new taxes” advocates left in the House to stem the socialist movement for the next four years. Time for the slackers to get a job:

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-09/news/31138554_1_young-workers-business-insider-wireline-workers

Jefferson

November 26th, 2012
8:14 am

39% for the top bracket worked well last time, history shows.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
8:15 am

All I can say is that, we don’t want him to completely go away … just become small enough to drown in the bathtub …

F. Quattrone

November 26th, 2012
8:17 am

Wow — are we finally talking about getting something done in congress? I find it hard to believe at this point, but am well relieved. I hope its not just empty talk.

stands for decibels

November 26th, 2012
8:21 am

Senator? You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing.

Skip

November 26th, 2012
8:26 am

No new taxes is fine with me, just bring back some of the old ones.

bookman parrot

November 26th, 2012
8:28 am

semantics… cutting deductions is “raising” taxes… so you didn’t raise the percentage in the tax code… the bottom line you pay more into the system … so it is a tax dollar increase … stop the sugar coating and plain out lies and call it what it is …
i would think most people would not mind paying if they even thought the jacks in the gov’t would even try to really cut spending, especially foolish and wasteful spending
lastly, the gov’t should NEVER get more than half of anyone’s income… if they can’t live within that, then they need to go away and find someone else that is fiscally responsible

GT

November 26th, 2012
8:29 am

Coaches get fired and so do politicians when they have a losing strategy. The last election showed a stronger backbone in America that people like Grover Norquist were anticipating. KR had a melt down on national television when his slaves rebelled against him in Virginia. Newt has played us like the fools we are for the last time, the results of their backseat driving with no real mandate or constituency has gotten us lost deep in the woods of spin and money buying politics. Steven Jobs might have been able to tell the American public what they wanted before it was there, but these guys are so self servicing they have grown fat off our stupidity. Lead the way Saxby, for once a politian from Georgia with guts and vision.

Tall

November 26th, 2012
8:29 am

These are your choices:

A: If you want big government and higher taxes, vote Republican.

B: If you want bigger government and higher taxes, vote Democrat.

No mention of spending cuts anywhere in that article.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
8:29 am

dB – 8:21 – hahaha … love the bit from The Freshman when the film teacher is showing that scene from Godfather 2 and refers the students to his treatise “The Guns of Provolone” … classic.

JohnnyReb

November 26th, 2012
8:30 am

It’s not Grover; it’s the pledge. You know; giving your word on something, or is that a foreign principle? Grover is simply the man who has pushed the pledge. If a tragedy were to befall Grover there would be someone else who took up the torch.

Republicans have never been against revenue increases. It’s how to get the increase and as always Democrats want to use somelses money to do it. But in this case it’s not enough money so they think the skys will part or the goose will lay more eggs. They won’t face the reality that taxing the rich more is only a drop in the bucket.

Personally, I’m so sick and tired of Democratic bimbos on TV trying to convince the public the election was a mandate that I think there should be a bounty on them (the bimbos).

Mick

November 26th, 2012
8:30 am

I think we need to fall off the fiscal curb, then find the compromises needed to get on track. Hands off social security and a grand bargain, just some common sense.

Florida may be a screw up in elections but the weather down here for the past week has been nothing short of heavenly; high fifties at night and high 60’s/low 70’s during the day!! Best place on earth when we have that kind of weather…

Steve

November 26th, 2012
8:30 am

I’d now like to see the other 98% of Republicans in Congress follow suit.

GA voter

November 26th, 2012
8:30 am

Finally the GOP is getting the message that taxes have to increase, especially for the folks that have been the largest recipients of the Bush cuts largesse (i.e. the wealthy and corporations who got 95% of it). When they were offered by the Dems a 10-1 spending cuts to tax increase plan, they rejected it out of hand because they would have to go back on their ridiculous pleadge to Lord Grover. Personally, I would like to see Saxby out of there because he doesn’t represent GA, just the Republican party.

stands for decibels

November 26th, 2012
8:33 am

semantics… cutting deductions is “raising” taxes… so you didn’t raise the percentage in the tax code… the bottom line you pay more into the system … so it is a tax dollar increase … stop the sugar coating and plain out lies and call it what it is …

Who’s sugar coating? Wealthy people are keeping too much money for themselves. They won’t cough it up and allow us to spend it to put people to work, so we have to confiscate it.

Don’t like it, move to Somalia.

JohnnyReb

November 26th, 2012
8:33 am

I found it very interesting but disturbing and disgusting that Gregory and most of his guests yesterday salivated over Spilberg’s Lincoln movie. They spoke of it as if it was/is 100% historical. Another sickening example of the Left worshiping at the feet of pop culture.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 26th, 2012
8:35 am

i would think most people would not mind paying if they even thought the jacks in the gov’t would even try to really cut spending, especially foolish and wasteful spending

I don’t think anyone disagrees about cutting foolish and wasteful spending as a concept. The problem is identifying and addressing. Oil subsidies….foolish. Tax credit for fake farmers….foolish. Interest income taxed at 15%….foolish. Lack of a sales tax on stock transfers….foolish. Cutting out safety next programs is just plain stupidity…but I am all for going after violators and increasing enforcement and prosecutions. Also increase enforcement against corporate tax cheats and medicare fraud. .

Mick

November 26th, 2012
8:35 am

Amazing how grover ever demanded such obedience; at the end of the day he is just an effeminate small man who could easily have been drowned in a bathtub full of rejection…

GA voter

November 26th, 2012
8:37 am

BTW for NamVet – the definition of a socialist is not a person that doesn”t follow the GOP blindly or because Rush says they are. You guys have got to get a life.

stands for decibels

November 26th, 2012
8:37 am

he is just an effeminate small man

careful, Mick, you’re veering into the Nate Silver Haterz Zone.

stands for decibels

November 26th, 2012
8:40 am

Eff spending cuts.

Anyway, gotta go produce. Later.

liberal hack

November 26th, 2012
8:40 am

Jay, say what you want, but tax/revenue increasesalone isn’t going to solve the fiscal problem we have. Democrats are not serious about entitlement reform, just ask Harry Reid who said entitlements don’t need more cuts. Plus Obamacare is a brand new entitlement created by big gov’t politicans. We have to dramatically cut spending as well. Democrats reneged on their promise to cut spending in 1991, I don’t trust them now. Plus no one has told me how big monetarily the government should be, we take in roughly 2.3 Trillion. How much revenue do you want the federal gov’t to have 3,4,5 trillion dollars and to spend that much as well….thats a lot of wealth redistributed from the people to the gov’t. And that’s not including the fact state and local gov’ts are not so fiscally sound and are considering tax hikes as well. When does the growth of gov’t stop. You Jay, and your advocates want more gov’t….

willie lynch

November 26th, 2012
8:41 am

The Republicans are known for calling elected and appointed officials radical or unqualified, yet they signed a pledge to someone was neither elected or appointed. It’s time they grow up and take their place at the grown folks table. As they say in football “Upon further review…..” the Republicans are a joke.

Woodstock Mike

November 26th, 2012
8:42 am

What tax incentives are Democrats in favor of for people to invest their money? If there aren’t significant tax incentives why would anyone invest?

Doggone/GA

November 26th, 2012
8:44 am

“If there aren’t significant tax incentives why would anyone invest?”

Does the phrase “return on investment” ring any bells?

[...] off Grover Norquist pledgeWashington Post (blog)Republicans wisely break with Grover NorquistCNNAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog) -The Hill (blog) -Mediaiteall 307 news articles » VN:F [1.9.8_1114]please [...]

David Shivers

November 26th, 2012
8:48 am

Some people call Obama a dictator. I think the description is more accurately applied to Norquist.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
8:49 am

” If there aren’t significant tax incentives why would anyone invest?”

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight … because otherwise, they’re just going to stick it in their savings account and earn 1% interest.

:roll:

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
8:50 am

Doggone – 8:44 – I mean … really.

bookman parrot

November 26th, 2012
8:52 am

to stands for decibels

November 26th, 2012
8:33 am
if you “confiscate” 99% of the income from the wealthy, it still will not hardly put a dent in the debt. You have to cut also. do you want the gov’t to “confiscate” more than half of your income… i bet not.
Gov’t needs to learn how to be fiscally responsible. Libs speak of give and take.. but seldom put it into practice if they are the givers…
Your last statement shows your being a big baby. I’m sugar coating that because you are much worse than that i well imagine.

East Lake Ira

November 26th, 2012
8:52 am

Don’t trust anything they – Republicans – say.

Let’s see what they’re actually willing to do.

I hope Obama has the balls to say, “Increase rates first then we can discuss entitlements, maybe.”

Eliminate the earning cap on SSA. That is the only entitlement reform that should be on the table.

Steve

November 26th, 2012
8:52 am

Start taxing churches and cutting back the military along with putting the tax rates back to the Clinton era and you won’t need to touch the safety net programs. But that will never happen. The rich have way too much power.

Bob Loblaw

November 26th, 2012
8:53 am

Good to see King and Graham start poking back. These mindless morons and their little political advocacy groups are going to tie the hands of the Republicans to the point they can’t think an inch deep. Norquist loses this grip, he loses his job–don’t forget. Can’t wait to see him fight back.

mm

November 26th, 2012
8:54 am

These cons are doing nothing but baiting the dems for entitlement cuts.

bookman parrot

November 26th, 2012
8:55 am

to Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 26th, 2012
8:35 am
How about the foolishness of those permanently on the “safety net” and could actually get off their backsides and do something. How about the idiots making tons of babies and expecting the gov’t to pay for it…
I’m not saying that some people don’t need help, and maybe some permanently, but way to many not deserving it … And i’m not taking about social security…. blah blah blah to people that paided into the system … they have done their part

RB from Gwinnett

November 26th, 2012
8:56 am

GT “The last election showed a stronger backbone in America that people like Grover Norquist were anticipating. ”

Ummm, not exactly. The last election showed the takers are beginning to outnumber the payers and will continue to plunder the public treasury as was fortold many years ago. We’re headed for Greece, GT, and you ain’t gonna enjoy the ride.

GT

November 26th, 2012
8:56 am

I never seize to be amazed at the selection of leadership, when given a choice some Americans take, like bread over steak or disease of wellness, gay over straight. There are pockets of areas that don’t believe in road maps or facts and keep going in circles adding chapters to reality like it is a cheap read no learning curb whatever draws a crowd at the barbershop. A panic can be started like dropping a spoon in a chicken coop, the sky is fallen every fall as the leaves turn colors, and the short sellers of our society take note of our stupidity and cash in on our weaknesses not our strengths.

Saxby is no fool, but his biggest challenge is he has to lead fools to the light. He is a smart conservative something apparently the right has blocked out so long they can’t appreciate one when they see them. Honest, another trait that doesn’t create much currency in this generation of Republicans. Republicans you are looking at the future in Chambliss, someone who not only is good for your small minority but is good for the country as well.

Doggone/GA

November 26th, 2012
8:57 am

“if you “confiscate” 99% of the income from the wealthy, it still will not hardly put a dent in the debt.”

And no one has suggested any such thing…except the conned parrots who keep coming here and saying that without having a clue what they’re talking about.

the red herring

November 26th, 2012
8:57 am

i’m sure grover’s holidays were fine. it’s the taxpayer who is going to have some bad ones due to overspending and over taxation at the federal level. too many mouths at the public trough now for us to feed them all and give them cell phones.

bookman parrot

November 26th, 2012
8:58 am

hereis a plan, Repubs give the Dems their way, but if it doesn’t work … then all the damn supporters of Dem plan, need to be exiled ( now i’m speaking like stands for decibels)

Thomas Heyward Jr

November 26th, 2012
8:58 am

So …..it is shown……..that three Federal Government workers were/are lying, that they intend on breaking their pledges, and consequently, will steal more wealth from private individuals.
.
This is news……….how?

Doggone/GA

November 26th, 2012
9:00 am

“How about the foolishness of those permanently on the “safety net”

don’t know much about that “safety net” do you?

Steve

November 26th, 2012
9:01 am

Who are the real “takers”? The wealthy with their tax loopholes and their lower tax rates. They reap the benefits of our society, our programs, our roads, our education systems – everything, yet they sit on their money, hide it offshore, and demand more tax cuts.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 26th, 2012
9:02 am

I think it’s a grave mistake to pay too much attention to the whole “Is Grover Norquist’s stock up or down?” media narrative.

Note that what is happening, quite possibly, is that the very intransigence and absolutisim of Norquist is leaving room on his “left” flank for players such as King and Chambliss to appear more reasonable and enter into an alliance with our center right president to begin making major cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Believe me, any feathers that are ruffled in such a breaking of ranks will be easily mended after a “grand bargain” is signed in which a potentially fatal blow is dealt to the crown jewel of 20th C social progress. It will be a real a win-win: Norquist can still say he held the line, and a small select group of Republicans can also boast that they were above partisan absolutism and acted in the nation’s interests.

We, on the other hand, get screwed, as usual, by the Washington monopolistic two-party two-step.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 26th, 2012
9:03 am

Well Parrot, if you do your research instead of parroting you’ll find that many would like off the “safety net”. Job creation is needed as well as decent paying jobs…not some Walmart welfare job. As for babies, recent studies have shown again that education, birth control and other actions other than preaching abstinence actually works. Focus on the problems and not the result and you’ll find that may of your “complaints” will be resolved. And for those actually gaming the system, then fix the rules, don’t just wipe it out based on premises that have often been proven false (see: Florida drug testing).

williebkind

November 26th, 2012
9:03 am

Once again progressive liberals! We do not have an income problem we have a spending problem. But talking to a liberal is like talking to a stop sign. As for the people, those on the east and west coast are just morons. They could not tell you who Lincoln was unless they just saw the movie. They are morons. But I am sure the AJC and they get along fine.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:03 am

“Start taxing churches ”

word.

“I never seize to be amazed ”

Do you also cease the day??

Lord Help Us

November 26th, 2012
9:04 am

bp at 8:52 – ‘if you “confiscate” 99% of the income from the wealthy, it still will not hardly put a dent in the debt.’

bp at 8:55 – ‘How about the foolishness of those permanently on the “safety net” and could actually get off their backsides and do something. How about the idiots making tons of babies and expecting the gov’t to pay for it…’

bp right now – clueless that people who ‘could actually get off their backsides and do something’ would have about a million times less impact on the deficit than ‘confiscat(ing)” 99% of the income from the wealthy.’

That and the stooge that thinks the only reason to invest is due to tax incentive represents the mentality of the current crop of cons…

Mr Right

November 26th, 2012
9:05 am

Nothing makes the libs happier than raising taxes! More money to spend!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:06 am

“Nothing makes the libs happier than paying for what we buy!”

there you go

fixed yonder type-o

jconservative

November 26th, 2012
9:06 am

No one has to vote for anything!

The voting has already been done. In December 2010 to cut off the Bush/Obama Tax Cuts on 12/31/2012. In August 2011 to cut spending over a trillion dollars for the next 10 years starting 1/2/2013. Revenue will go up and spending will go down. The deficits will slowly disappear. Everyone should be happy.

Old Goober

November 26th, 2012
9:08 am

Same old crap. The Republicans are going to use the fiscal cliff crisis to cut their old boogeymen, Social Security and Medicare. Trimming deductions won’t do much at all to raise revenue. If the current rates hold, we’ll still be running up debt. We need reform of the rates.

Mr Right

November 26th, 2012
9:11 am

Nothing makes the libs happier than paying for what we buy!”

there you go

fixed yonder type-o

Now that’s a good one! LOL! Libs paying for what they buy? WOW ! Yea, that’s a good one!

Fly-On-The-Wall

November 26th, 2012
9:12 am

This is a start, nothing more, nothing less. The proof will be when the Republicans really sit at the table and offer real tax/revenue increases. Once the Dems see that then there will be a grand bargin.

xxx

November 26th, 2012
9:14 am

59 billion spent over the weekend. Wonder how many of the 247M folks shopping are behind on bills but will blame someone else?

Lord Help Us

November 26th, 2012
9:15 am

Cons should have taken the deal they were offered last year when they had some leverage…

Their hubris, no-tax pledges and tea party stooges kept them from governing.

St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014

November 26th, 2012
9:15 am

19 dead, 263 injured – in 102 hrs

Afghanistan?
Gaza?
Somalia? (close)

nooo, that would be Georgia’s roads.
unacceptable

Welcome to the Occupation

November 26th, 2012
9:18 am

Mr. Right: “Nothing makes the libs happier than raising taxes! More money to spend!”

Well actually, now that you mention it, why wouldn’t we want to raise taxes to have “more money to spend”?

We control the currency, so it is quite literally .. unlimited.

(The one thing that is guaranteed to make a conservative’s head explode: an assertion of the radically counter-intuitive.)

St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014

November 26th, 2012
9:20 am

‘We do not have an income problem we have a spending problem.’

Let me strongly urge you away from a career in accounting.
faith-healing or late night infomercial marketing might be better for you.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 26th, 2012
9:21 am

Well, as long as they find a way to tax somebody else and cut somebody else’s deductions to take care of the debt, I’ll be happy.

Lynnie Gal

November 26th, 2012
9:21 am

Republicans believed that they could start two wars, pass an expensive Medicare Drug bill (a.k.a. giveaway to pharmaceutical companies), deregulate banks and Wall Street so they could in turn steal billions from our treasury to keep them from crashing–and not raise taxes! That’s magical thinking–which is okay if you’re a child of five, but not okay if you’re a congressperson.

Sean

November 26th, 2012
9:21 am

All I can say..
Free at last Free at Last
Thank God Free At Last

deegee

November 26th, 2012
9:22 am

Norquist is a lobbyist and an activist. He has never been elected to any public office. Who the heck is he to hold the entire country hostage over his ideology? We are sick and tired of lobbyists and conservative activists. He is exactly what is wrong with Washington. Newt, Karl and Grover have been marginalized and sent to conservative isolation. As far as I’m concerned, they can live out their lives giving speeches to people that enjoy throwing their money away while filling conference rooms with hot air and wind.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:22 am

“Now that’s a good one! LOL! Libs paying for what they buy? WOW ! Yea, that’s a good one!”

dearheart, WE were not the ones who decided to get into 2 wars while giving the rich a tax break at the same time.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 26th, 2012
9:23 am

Lord Help Us: “Cons should have taken the deal they were offered last year when they had some leverage…”

Don’t be so sure. They’ve still got it. And the most powerful leverage they have is the fact that their nominal opposition here, the Democratic party, led primarily by its center right president, still fundamentally agrees with them on the basic awfulness of the deficit. At any rate, the GOP know that the Dems certainly won’t fight the demagoguery about the deficit being a terrible thing, and in fact they have long since begun to share that view themselves, viewing themselves as just “deficit cutters with a human face” in contrast to the GOP hatchet wielders. But in the end both of our parties are in agreement about the deficit being terrible, and thus, we’re screwed.

[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution [...]

Brosephus™

November 26th, 2012
9:28 am

Who gives a rat’s ass about Grover Norquist??? Congress should stick to what they agreed upon in the last session. They were the one’s who set the date for the end of the tax cuts. They were the ones who set the date for the spending cuts if they couldn’t come up with an agreement. Well, they didn’t come up with an agreement. So, I say don’t do anything and let everything take effect as they planned it. Maybe, they will learn to actually engage their brain when they think of this kind of bullsh*t in the future.

straitroad

November 26th, 2012
9:29 am

The tax rate issue is important to liberals only from a psychological standpoint. Many of those focused on the Clinton era tax rates are only looking at the taxes side of the equation and not the spending, which is where the majority of the problem lies. Sure, raise those rates but it won’t make a dime’s worth of difference without cutting disability and welfare back to Clinton era levels as well.

TaxPayer

November 26th, 2012
9:29 am

Are Republicans still trying to pawn off their debt on their children and grandchildren. Shocking!

Brosephus™

November 26th, 2012
9:29 am

Once again progressive liberals! We do not have an income problem we have a spending problem.

Once again, williebkind shows that he has a thinking problem.

Welcome to the Occupation

November 26th, 2012
9:30 am

williebkind: “Once again progressive liberals! We do not have an income problem we have a spending problem”

Your provincial fiscal morality is touching – the German Bundesbank’s got a slot for you! – but in reality this simplistic faith in this ‘common man’s balance sheet’ is completely wrong. We do not have a spending problem at all, but rather a POLITICAL problem of a nihilistic anti-taxation ideology that has well and truly eaten up our political system, like a cancer, rendering it close to non-functional. (Am I talking over your head?)

Anyway, funny how you in your good common man’s faith in basic upstanding moral-fiscal rectitude is applied so selectively. In fiscal matters you’re all pessimist, claiming that we can’t afford this, can’t afford that….. But come time to approve a military expedition led by your honchos in Washington, then suddenly we can’t afford NOT to. Funny that.

DannyX

November 26th, 2012
9:31 am

“Now that’s a good one! LOL! Libs paying for what they buy? WOW ! Yea, that’s a good one!”

Mr Right, what is the plan? How do Republicans plan on paying for the trillion dollar wars they started, and their socialist Medicare Part D? I know Republicans are not very good in math, but paying for them with massive tax cuts didn’t work.

What’s the plan?

Recon 0311 2533

November 26th, 2012
9:31 am

Of course the party of irresponsibility doesn’t appear willing to discuss spending cuts and entitlements. They’re stuck on this myth that they have a far reaching mandate to only perpetuate their scam on the public that raising tax rates on the upper 2% is all that’s necessary to fix the economy.

alex

November 26th, 2012
9:32 am

Looks like the repubs are listening and learning from the nov. election and that is good

@ GT, why not leave out your spoon stuff,Goodness–agree with your last sentence—–

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:32 am

“How do Republicans plan on paying for the trillion dollar wars they started, and their socialist Medicare Part D?”

War Bonds and Drug Bonds???

oh, wait, that’s more debt …

bake sales?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:33 am

“Of course the party of irresponsibility doesn’t appear willing to discuss spending cuts and entitlements”

of course, the Dems have ALREADY MADE spending cuts … but, hey, tomayto tomahto …

Mr Right

November 26th, 2012
9:34 am

ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:22 am

“Now that’s a good one! LOL! Libs paying for what they buy? WOW ! Yea, that’s a good one!”

dearheart, WE were not the ones who decided to get into 2 wars while giving the rich a tax break at the same time.

Yea, both the libs and the Republicans spend to much, just struck me funny you said libs pay for what they spend!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:34 am

Jefferson

November 26th, 2012
9:34 am

Romney didn’t pay his fair share and look at him now, under the bus.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 26th, 2012
9:35 am

Agree with BRO, Norquist is irrelevant except for a target of the left sheep to pound until the next topic is offered.

Taxpayer

The GOP certainly left us with a hole but to suggest the DEMS won’t pawn debt off to our kids as well is not my reality. They continue to spend borrowed money, keep the deficit at 30% over what we bring in…the increase on the wealthy will go a small way to help but we need to find more…this assuming the spending stays the same which, while suggesting they will make all these cuts, DC has no track record of cuts materializing..bet they postpone cuts until after BO’s term expires…

DannyX

November 26th, 2012
9:36 am

“Of course the party of irresponsibility doesn’t appear willing to discuss spending cuts and entitlements.”

Party of irresponsibility?

How about you give it a try Recon? How do Republicans plan on paying for the trillion dollar wars they started, and their socialist Medicare Part D? Was it responsible to spend all that money and hand out massive tax cuts at the same time?

What is the plan, Recon?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:36 am

“Yea, both the libs and the Republicans spend to much, just struck me funny you said libs pay for what they spend!”

sorry, weasel words boy … but, the point isn’t the spending – the point is PAYING FOR IT …

for decades, the GOP has called Dems the party of tax and spend – because we PAY for what we spend. the GOP is the party of tax and borrow.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:37 am

dammit … that should be spend and borrow …

Aquagirl

November 26th, 2012
9:37 am

Republicans were willing hostages to this guy and got spanked in the election. Gee, maybe Mr. Neckbeard isn’t so hot after all. Duh.

williebkind

November 26th, 2012
9:37 am

” As for babies, recent studies have shown again that education, birth control and other actions other than preaching abstinence actually works.”

No it does not! How could it? Liberals’ vile disgusting behaviors favor no imposition on sexual behaviors that promote diseases and needless pregnancies. There has been birth control for decades. Are liberals so thick you have to teach them with constant incantations. Does it mean the more babies the more government free stuff?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 26th, 2012
9:39 am

All I can say is that, we don’t want him to completely go away … just become small enough to drown in the bathtub …

Damn, wish I’d said that!

Heh, heh, heh.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

November 26th, 2012
9:40 am

JEFFERSON

Can you please define “fairshare”? I was thinking that term was defined by the IRS…that term overused by DEMS to demonize those making over $250K and up is rather a tired phrase not applicable to those following the IRS rules..seems to be battle cry and key strategy of DEMS demonize the “wealthy” and big business..despite the fact that BO and the DEMS get piles of dough from these very same folks…

The other half of your brain.

November 26th, 2012
9:41 am

USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
8:49 am

” If there aren’t significant tax incentives why would anyone invest?”

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight … because otherwise, they’re just going to stick it in their savings account and earn 1% interest.

No, In Bonds, There are many good Bonds available that pay between 6% and 7.5% That’s where I put my money.

I have always believed that you were better than to wish someone dead. That’s pretty low.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:41 am

“There has been birth control for decades. Are liberals so thick you have to teach them with constant incantations. ”

no, but given the BS that was spewed this summer during the birth control debate (example: you take the pill everytime you have sex), then conservative men sure are that stupid.

Mr Right

November 26th, 2012
9:42 am

Mr Right, what is the plan? How do Republicans plan on paying for the trillion dollar wars they started, and their socialist Medicare Part D? I know Republicans are not very good in math, but paying for them with massive tax cuts didn’t work.

What’s the plan?

Don’t know what the Republicans plan is but the libs plan appears to be ( who knows since they have no budget since who knows when) increase spending by trillions then cut that by millions then pat them selves on the back and say ” we are the party that wants to cut spending”.

The other half of your brain.

November 26th, 2012
9:42 am

It seems like Upchuck isn’t much better either.

Brosephus™

November 26th, 2012
9:43 am

USinner @ 9:34

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Using a conservative news sourse to disprove a conservative’s post here…. Classic!!!