Hope your holiday was better than Grover Norquist’s

I’d like to see Grover run for office on his platform and see just how well it resonates with The People.

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Jay, welcome back.

I think you’re probably making a mountain out of a molehill. Fine, so Norquist has become the latest guy the Villagers appear to be throwing under the bus (although insiders like Grover always bounce back; they always fall upward.)

The kind of tip-money we’re talking about regarding the long-overdue rate hike on upper incomes isn’t really (to me at least) the primary economic story of interest today.

What matters is the Grand Bargaining BS the White House and corporatist Dems in the Senate are conspiring to ram through, that will certainly screw working/middle-class Americans.

(I know I sound like a broken record on this, but nobody else seems to care, so there you are.)

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Like Digby said.

“The Village may have worked itself into a frenzy over this deliberately created, phony deficit crisis, but that doesn’t mean that major news organizations should be engaging in demagoguery and advocacy. Maybe they don’t know any better, but they should.”

and yeah, the AJC needs to be included in amongst the guilty “major news organizations.”

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I remember when I first heard about this tax pledge, I thought, who is this Grover Norquist? Then I thought, why are our elected officials pledging to do anything other than uphold the Constitution and serve their constituents? I’m glad some of them are courageous enough now to say that was then, this is now, and it’s wrong.

I’m solidly upper middle class and pay taxes out the wazoo. But I guess I don’t mind because 1) I don’t live beyond my means and 2) I realize how much I get for what I pay in — benefits, services and infrastructure I could not enjoy without a government to tax me and see to these things. (I know, I know — there’s waste, fraud, abuse and incompetence, but it looks like when we privatize functions, we get more of the same and sometimes worse [see Florida for some prime examples]).

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39% for the top bracket worked well last time, history shows.

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Wow — are we finally talking about getting something done in congress? I find it hard to believe at this point, but am well relieved. I hope its not just empty talk.

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No new taxes is fine with me, just bring back some of the old ones.

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Coaches get fired and so do politicians when they have a losing strategy. The last election showed a stronger backbone in America that people like Grover Norquist were anticipating. KR had a melt down on national television when his slaves rebelled against him in Virginia. Newt has played us like the fools we are for the last time, the results of their backseat driving with no real mandate or constituency has gotten us lost deep in the woods of spin and money buying politics. Steven Jobs might have been able to tell the American public what they wanted before it was there, but these guys are so self servicing they have grown fat off our stupidity. Lead the way Saxby, for once a politian from Georgia with guts and vision.

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dB – 8:21 – hahaha … love the bit from The Freshman when the film teacher is showing that scene from Godfather 2 and refers the students to his treatise “The Guns of Provolone” … classic.

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I think we need to fall off the fiscal curb, then find the compromises needed to get on track. Hands off social security and a grand bargain, just some common sense.

Florida may be a screw up in elections but the weather down here for the past week has been nothing short of heavenly; high fifties at night and high 60’s/low 70’s during the day!! Best place on earth when we have that kind of weather…

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Finally the GOP is getting the message that taxes have to increase, especially for the folks that have been the largest recipients of the Bush cuts largesse (i.e. the wealthy and corporations who got 95% of it). When they were offered by the Dems a 10-1 spending cuts to tax increase plan, they rejected it out of hand because they would have to go back on their ridiculous pleadge to Lord Grover. Personally, I would like to see Saxby out of there because he doesn’t represent GA, just the Republican party.

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I found it very interesting but disturbing and disgusting that Gregory and most of his guests yesterday salivated over Spilberg’s Lincoln movie. They spoke of it as if it was/is 100% historical. Another sickening example of the Left worshiping at the feet of pop culture.

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Amazing how grover ever demanded such obedience; at the end of the day he is just an effeminate small man who could easily have been drowned in a bathtub full of rejection…

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he is just an effeminate small man

careful, Mick, you’re veering into the Nate Silver Haterz Zone.

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Jay, say what you want, but tax/revenue increasesalone isn’t going to solve the fiscal problem we have. Democrats are not serious about entitlement reform, just ask Harry Reid who said entitlements don’t need more cuts. Plus Obamacare is a brand new entitlement created by big gov’t politicans. We have to dramatically cut spending as well. Democrats reneged on their promise to cut spending in 1991, I don’t trust them now. Plus no one has told me how big monetarily the government should be, we take in roughly 2.3 Trillion. How much revenue do you want the federal gov’t to have 3,4,5 trillion dollars and to spend that much as well….thats a lot of wealth redistributed from the people to the gov’t. And that’s not including the fact state and local gov’ts are not so fiscally sound and are considering tax hikes as well. When does the growth of gov’t stop. You Jay, and your advocates want more gov’t….

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What tax incentives are Democrats in favor of for people to invest their money? If there aren’t significant tax incentives why would anyone invest?

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” If there aren’t significant tax incentives why would anyone invest?”

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight … because otherwise, they’re just going to stick it in their savings account and earn 1% interest.

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to stands for decibels

November 26th, 2012
8:33 am
if you “confiscate” 99% of the income from the wealthy, it still will not hardly put a dent in the debt. You have to cut also. do you want the gov’t to “confiscate” more than half of your income… i bet not.
Gov’t needs to learn how to be fiscally responsible. Libs speak of give and take.. but seldom put it into practice if they are the givers…
Your last statement shows your being a big baby. I’m sugar coating that because you are much worse than that i well imagine.

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Start taxing churches and cutting back the military along with putting the tax rates back to the Clinton era and you won’t need to touch the safety net programs. But that will never happen. The rich have way too much power.

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These cons are doing nothing but baiting the dems for entitlement cuts.

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GT “The last election showed a stronger backbone in America that people like Grover Norquist were anticipating. ”

Ummm, not exactly. The last election showed the takers are beginning to outnumber the payers and will continue to plunder the public treasury as was fortold many years ago. We’re headed for Greece, GT, and you ain’t gonna enjoy the ride.

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“if you “confiscate” 99% of the income from the wealthy, it still will not hardly put a dent in the debt.”

And no one has suggested any such thing…except the conned parrots who keep coming here and saying that without having a clue what they’re talking about.

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hereis a plan, Repubs give the Dems their way, but if it doesn’t work … then all the damn supporters of Dem plan, need to be exiled ( now i’m speaking like stands for decibels)

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“How about the foolishness of those permanently on the “safety net”

don’t know much about that “safety net” do you?

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I think it’s a grave mistake to pay too much attention to the whole “Is Grover Norquist’s stock up or down?” media narrative.

Note that what is happening, quite possibly, is that the very intransigence and absolutisim of Norquist is leaving room on his “left” flank for players such as King and Chambliss to appear more reasonable and enter into an alliance with our center right president to begin making major cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Believe me, any feathers that are ruffled in such a breaking of ranks will be easily mended after a “grand bargain” is signed in which a potentially fatal blow is dealt to the crown jewel of 20th C social progress. It will be a real a win-win: Norquist can still say he held the line, and a small select group of Republicans can also boast that they were above partisan absolutism and acted in the nation’s interests.

We, on the other hand, get screwed, as usual, by the Washington monopolistic two-party two-step.

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Once again progressive liberals! We do not have an income problem we have a spending problem. But talking to a liberal is like talking to a stop sign. As for the people, those on the east and west coast are just morons. They could not tell you who Lincoln was unless they just saw the movie. They are morons. But I am sure the AJC and they get along fine.

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bp at 8:52 – ‘if you “confiscate” 99% of the income from the wealthy, it still will not hardly put a dent in the debt.’

bp at 8:55 – ‘How about the foolishness of those permanently on the “safety net” and could actually get off their backsides and do something. How about the idiots making tons of babies and expecting the gov’t to pay for it…’

bp right now – clueless that people who ‘could actually get off their backsides and do something’ would have about a million times less impact on the deficit than ‘confiscat(ing)” 99% of the income from the wealthy.’

That and the stooge that thinks the only reason to invest is due to tax incentive represents the mentality of the current crop of cons…

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“Nothing makes the libs happier than paying for what we buy!”

there you go

fixed yonder type-o

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Same old crap. The Republicans are going to use the fiscal cliff crisis to cut their old boogeymen, Social Security and Medicare. Trimming deductions won’t do much at all to raise revenue. If the current rates hold, we’ll still be running up debt. We need reform of the rates.

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This is a start, nothing more, nothing less. The proof will be when the Republicans really sit at the table and offer real tax/revenue increases. Once the Dems see that then there will be a grand bargin.

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Cons should have taken the deal they were offered last year when they had some leverage…

Their hubris, no-tax pledges and tea party stooges kept them from governing.

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Mr. Right: “Nothing makes the libs happier than raising taxes! More money to spend!”

Well actually, now that you mention it, why wouldn’t we want to raise taxes to have “more money to spend”?

We control the currency, so it is quite literally .. unlimited.

(The one thing that is guaranteed to make a conservative’s head explode: an assertion of the radically counter-intuitive.)

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Well, as long as they find a way to tax somebody else and cut somebody else’s deductions to take care of the debt, I’ll be happy.

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All I can say..
Free at last Free at Last
Thank God Free At Last

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“Now that’s a good one! LOL! Libs paying for what they buy? WOW ! Yea, that’s a good one!”

dearheart, WE were not the ones who decided to get into 2 wars while giving the rich a tax break at the same time.

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The tax rate issue is important to liberals only from a psychological standpoint. Many of those focused on the Clinton era tax rates are only looking at the taxes side of the equation and not the spending, which is where the majority of the problem lies. Sure, raise those rates but it won’t make a dime’s worth of difference without cutting disability and welfare back to Clinton era levels as well.

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Once again progressive liberals! We do not have an income problem we have a spending problem.

Once again, williebkind shows that he has a thinking problem.

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“Now that’s a good one! LOL! Libs paying for what they buy? WOW ! Yea, that’s a good one!”

Mr Right, what is the plan? How do Republicans plan on paying for the trillion dollar wars they started, and their socialist Medicare Part D? I know Republicans are not very good in math, but paying for them with massive tax cuts didn’t work.

What’s the plan?

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Looks like the repubs are listening and learning from the nov. election and that is good

@ GT, why not leave out your spoon stuff,Goodness–agree with your last sentence—–

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“Of course the party of irresponsibility doesn’t appear willing to discuss spending cuts and entitlements”

of course, the Dems have ALREADY MADE spending cuts … but, hey, tomayto tomahto …

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oh, and here’s your evidence

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/27/democrats-debt-bill-beats-gop-version-spending-cut/

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Agree with BRO, Norquist is irrelevant except for a target of the left sheep to pound until the next topic is offered.

Taxpayer

The GOP certainly left us with a hole but to suggest the DEMS won’t pawn debt off to our kids as well is not my reality. They continue to spend borrowed money, keep the deficit at 30% over what we bring in…the increase on the wealthy will go a small way to help but we need to find more…this assuming the spending stays the same which, while suggesting they will make all these cuts, DC has no track record of cuts materializing..bet they postpone cuts until after BO’s term expires…

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“Yea, both the libs and the Republicans spend to much, just struck me funny you said libs pay for what they spend!”

sorry, weasel words boy … but, the point isn’t the spending – the point is PAYING FOR IT …

for decades, the GOP has called Dems the party of tax and spend – because we PAY for what we spend. the GOP is the party of tax and borrow.

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Republicans were willing hostages to this guy and got spanked in the election. Gee, maybe Mr. Neckbeard isn’t so hot after all. Duh.

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All I can say is that, we don’t want him to completely go away … just become small enough to drown in the bathtub …

Damn, wish I’d said that!

Heh, heh, heh.

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
8:49 am

” If there aren’t significant tax incentives why would anyone invest?”

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight … because otherwise, they’re just going to stick it in their savings account and earn 1% interest.

No, In Bonds, There are many good Bonds available that pay between 6% and 7.5% That’s where I put my money.

I have always believed that you were better than to wish someone dead. That’s pretty low.

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Mr Right, what is the plan? How do Republicans plan on paying for the trillion dollar wars they started, and their socialist Medicare Part D? I know Republicans are not very good in math, but paying for them with massive tax cuts didn’t work.

What’s the plan?

Don’t know what the Republicans plan is but the libs plan appears to be ( who knows since they have no budget since who knows when) increase spending by trillions then cut that by millions then pat them selves on the back and say ” we are the party that wants to cut spending”.

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USinner @ 9:34

Using a conservative news sourse to disprove a conservative’s post here…. Classic!!!

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williebkind — “Liberals’ vile disgusting behaviors favor no imposition on sexual behaviors that promote diseases and needless pregnancies.”

Dude, nobody cares what kind of pr0n you like.

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Remember this one?

“Read my lips …….. no new taxes”!

And what happened after?

Just sayin’

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Brocephus – 9:43 – THANK YOU FOR NOTICING!!!

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:36 am

“Yea, both the libs and the Republicans spend to much, just struck me funny you said libs pay for what they spend!”

sorry, weasel words boy … but, the point isn’t the spending – the point is PAYING FOR IT …

for decades, the GOP has called Dems the party of tax and spend – because we PAY for what we spend. the GOP is the party of tax and borrow.

This is insane, after the the last four years you can’t be serious! Why is the debt skyrocketing if they are paying for what they spend?

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Do you folks realize that the two Bush wars will ultimately cost tax payers THREE TRILLION DOLLARS? Add to that the tax cuts on the wealthy and I’m sorry folks, we have a REVENUE problem.

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This discontinue Bush era tax cuts for those earning more than 250K a year and have them pay their fair share mantra is purely symbolic. It accomplishes essentially nothing economically and is only politically motivated to give the far left a false victory. If the Democrat leadership really believed revenue increases were the solution they would be calling for discontinuing Bush era tax rates for everyone and expanding the tax paying base.

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No, That you were so stupid to wish someone dead.

There’s your sign.

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Change the FIT rates to the same rates in force during the Eisenhower administration…you know, the good times when only one parent worked and everything was wonderful. The economy was booming and we had at least 4 US automobile manufacturers, one (real) telephone company, 3 TV channels and regulated airlines that didn’t charge for standard luggage. My Little Margie, Ed Sullivan, The Untouchables, Jack Paar, Beat The Clock, Burns and Allen….you get the picture.

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Aquagirl — “maybe he needs a little more vile, disgusting behavior in his life.”

I can’t speak for others, but it’s always done me a world of good.

I recommend this program if you’ve got Showtime on cable or satellite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave%27s_Old_Porn

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oh, FFS … for the numpties among us:

“Our goal is to shrink government to the size where we can drown it in a bathtub.” – Grover Norquist.

there. THAT make things any clearer for you???

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“As a middle class voter…the gop has done nothing to earn my vote.”

as a woman, the GOP has done plenty to earn my ire and contempt.

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USNUK

Here’s something you may want to ponder…BO’s contribution to the deficit can be argued at about 40%…many, many flaws in what the DEMS have peddled and the sheep promote.. (12-17% if you don’t include the flawed treasury departments absurd over estimates of growth and revenues)..remember, he extended Bush cuts, increased funding for Medicare D, increased troop levels in Afghanistan, lest we forget the stimulus debacle…)

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-deficit-dodge/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/27/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-hes-responsible-just-10-percent-/

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Mr Right

November 26th, 2012
9:48 am

This is insane, after the the last four years you can’t be serious! Why is the debt skyrocketing if they are paying for what they spend?
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Are you really this brain dead and talk radio indoctrinated to the point you have last all ability for rational thought that you would make a post like the one above?

The last four years have been spent paying for the 2 wars and a drug benefit that teh Republicans put on a credit card and never paid for pal. The last four years have been spent on paying for the inept fiscal policies that lead to a complete collapse of our economy pal.

Get over it. America showed on election day that there are fewer and fewer of you FOXBOTS, so quit coming on here with your talk radio/FOXBOT lies. No one buys them except for you remaining hard headed sheeple.

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T. Out — “As a middle class voter…the gop has done nothing to earn my vote.”

And that’s it in a nutshell.

The GOP didn’t *earn* the votes needed to win — but the GOP thought it *deserved* them.

Get your head in the game, conservatives, or else keep losing.

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It would be nice that our Reps pledge allegiance to the flag, country, and All those folks that they represent v. a pledge to an individual and his ideals.

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Why doesn’t any politician acknowledge that the Laffer effect doesn’t work—that the sheer cost in federal revenue is greater than the increased revenues stemming from any increase in employment attributable to tax cuts? Why, after more than 30 years, are we still being sucked in by this humbug about tax cuts paying for themselves?

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
9:56 am

“As a middle class voter…the gop has done nothing to earn my vote.”

as a woman, the GOP has done plenty to earn my ire and contempt.
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Yeah but you are a far left wing radical feminazi………..

I never did make your ciabatta although I borrowed my neighbors mixer. i just ran out of time. I swear I’m gonna do it one day though. Don’t know if you saw, but my 10 year old daughter made her first pumpkin pies, from scratch, crust AND pie filling (I cut and seeded the pumpkins though). I am so proud.

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USinUK – Hate for your grammer not to be correct. How is your grammer doing, I hope she is ok. Mine is retired and in St. Pete. Just past the golden gates.

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It was such a pleasure completing my offshore account application over the weekend. Speaking of Thanksgiving, what a way to be thankful that we still have the freedom to keep what we “earned” not income provided by the “government”.

The chances I took in biz over the years have paid and not interested in getting tax screwed! What every smart business person should do!

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Here’s something you may want to ponder…BO’s contribution to the deficit can be argued at about 40%

How about this… The current Congress is likely responsible for about 90% of the deficit AND Debt that we’ve seen over the past 12 years. How many people are still in DC who voted for Bush’s original cuts??? That means they have been in office since 2000, and have not done a damn thing to control debt in 12 years. What makes them any less responsible for that than Obama? Obama’s only been president for 4 years.

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Fred – I miss those home made pumkin pies made from scratch. Have not have one in fifteen or twenty years.

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Offshore account here I come, residency to follow

November 26th, 2012
10:03 am

It was such a pleasure completing my offshore account application over the weekend. Speaking of Thanksgiving, what a way to be thankful that we still have the freedom to keep what we “earned” not income provided by the “government”.

The chances I took in biz over the years have paid and not interested in getting tax screwed! What every smart business person should do!
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Leave. Renounce your citizenship and take your traitorous ass out of here and don’t come back. I’ll help you pack. Let the Chinese military protect you. Get an Iranian passport. Now ythat you have sucked America dry while using all the benefits this Country has to offer you want to cut and run without paying for it. i for one say , just go and don’t come back.

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Steve, “The wealthy with their tax loopholes and their lower tax rates. ”

Steve, are you aware of any tax laws that only apply to wealthy people? Please share if you do. And what exactly do you mean by “lower tax rates”? Do you consider 35% low?

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you really want to put this pig and his followers out of their/our misery?

Barack, my man, walk in the WH, shut the door, lock it, pull down
the shades and don’t come out til Jan 2nd.
Then deal from strength. Its the only thing pigs understand.

Announcing you will ‘veto ANY bill that does not have tax increases
for the wealthiest americans’ – that will have a different ‘flavor’ after Jan 2
rather than before.

Do it. Trust me.

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The people who keep comparing the US to Greece don’t
seem to know anything about either one.

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Does my thinking interfere with your progressive liberal myths?

Did you stop beating your wife?

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No surprise, RINOs will be RINOs. The Federal Government doesn’t have the funds to pay for the giveaway programs and pay off Friends of Obama and Reid, which means the RINO Senators are left holding an empty bag unless they play along for table scraps. These egos are far too big to champion for four more years without reward (power) the conservative values of the people who sent them there.

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Steve, are you aware of any tax laws that only apply to wealthy people?

Oh lordy, not another round of “poor people can deduct their Olympic dancing horsies too!”

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Oscar – 10:02 –

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RB from Gwinnett

November 26th, 2012
10:07 am

Steve, “The wealthy with their tax loopholes and their lower tax rates. ”

Steve, are you aware of any tax laws that only apply to wealthy people? Please share if you do. And what exactly do you mean by “lower tax rates”? Do you consider 35% low?
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There are many loopholes that apply only to folks rich enough to have them RB and you either know itr and are lying like your talk radio gods, or are really simple minded.

As to 35%? My effective tax rate last year was 9% what was yours? Let me tell you how to figure it out. you take the amount of money you MADE last year (gross income) and then divide it by the amount of money you paid in income tax. Notice I said GROSS income, not ADJUSTED income.

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For those of you who want to be reminded what the FIT rates were during the Eisenhower administration, follow this link and scroll down do about 1958: http://taxfoundation.org/article/us-federal-individual-income-tax-rates-history-1913-2011-nominal-and-inflation-adjusted-brackets

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“Oh lordy, not another round of “poor people can deduct their Olympic dancing horsies too!””

and and they can dock their yacht in the Cayman Islands … like Mittens.

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“Here’s something you may want to ponder…BO’s contribution to the deficit can be argued at about 40%

How about this… The current Congress is likely responsible for about 90% of the deficit AND Debt that we’ve seen over the past 12 years. ”

exactly – since the GOP congress held bills hostage – particularly the extension of the Bush tax cuts.

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Alright St. Simons, i surrender. What is a “BOOTAKOOK.” Here is the result i get when I google it:

https://www.google.com/search?q=BOOTAKOOK+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

The results for aboriginal BOOTAKOOK while similar, are even shorter:

https://www.google.com/search?q=aboriginal+BOOTAKOOK+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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grover is dying away with the rest of the old, racist, easy to anger, white dudes that have run our government for far too long. good riddence

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None of these Republican politicians have bothered to answer the most obvious questions.

Why did you sign a politicaly binding pledge from someone who is not from your State or district? Is this man more important than your constituents?

Inquiring minds would really love an answer on this.

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Having crow for Thanksgiving could be deserving for some of the Republican,”My way no way”crowd.

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“And you people actually want this ^^^^^ idiot voting?”

what has she said that’s incorrect?? you’re going to call her an idiot, then back it up.

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BRO/USNUK

I hear you about Congress and agree, however the lack of BO’s ability to be a leader and figure out a means to “bring compromise back to DC” as promised in 2008 is a core issue. You can rant on about the GOP leading BO by the nose but BO actually set the tenor of that issue, making it clear that “he won” not considering GOP proposals..arrogance trumps reasonableness on both sides..

Congress is dysfunctional like the rest of DC…until the private money is removed, all this arguing over red v blue is arguably irrelevant…campaign cash is 100 times more important than doing right by us..

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JHM: I was there (alive and kicking) in the Kennedy years, and I really don’t think you’d find them all that appealing. If you think otherwise, study some history.

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…left fringe fantasy land votes…

There’s your sign.

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Good points – Congress and their actions or lack thereof affects the economy, not the President (only slightly). Yet you people keep voting in these same GOP idiots…

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Graham will continue his move to the center until he is booted next election! It matters not if it is Grover, Mitt, Rubio, Ryan or whoever! Those who have the Country and the future of it and the citizens WILL BE AGAINST MORE TAXES FOR MYRIAD SOCIALIST AGENDA PROGRAMS! Those programs rob everyone in the long run! SPENDING NOT REVENUE IS THE PROBLEM! And, with Social Security headed to bankruptcy, the absolute stupidity of temporarily reducing the tax by 2%, hastening that default shows how utterly stupid those in government are! A better solution would have been a temporary 2% reduction in income tax rates! If taxes are to rise, FIRST THERE HAS TO BE A FIRM REDUCTION IN SPENDING FOR ALL PROGRAMS BUT DEFENSE SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE! Because every working person, AND, their employer has been force to pay a tax for Social Security since the 30’s, and, Medicare since the 60’s, THESE ARE NOT ENTITLEMENTS! But MEDICAID, FOOD STAMPS, WIC, ADC, EBT, SUBSIDIZED HOUSING PHONE AND INTERNET, ARE!!!!! IT IS THOSE PROGRAMS THAT MUST BE REDUCED, NOT JUST A REDUCTION IN THE INCREASES!

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” I thought the GOP was trying to protect the middle class?”

If you are a federal employee we dont want more taxes we want to end your job. You just dont get it do you?

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DawgDad — “JHM: I was there (alive and kicking) in the Kennedy years, and I really don’t think you’d find them all that appealing.”

So was I, and don’t be so presumptuous.

“If you think otherwise, study some history.”

Oh! Oh! The just-read-something-and-you’ll-automatically-agree-with-me gambit. Never heard THAT on the internet before!

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RB from Gwinnett

November 26th, 2012
10:18 am

“Oh lordy, not another round of “poor people can deduct their Olympic dancing horsies too!””

And you people actually want this ^^^^^ idiot voting? What is wrong with you? Would you let a 5 year old control your finances too?
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What’s wrong? Are you pretending you don’t understand his sarcasm at your ignorant post?

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“If you are a federal employee we dont want more taxes we want to end your job. ”

excellent … where to you want to start?

the TSA?

air traffic controllers?

food safety?

coast guard?

testing the drugs you take?

???

do tell.

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Again raising taxes on those making 250000 is nickles and dimes compared to all the spending and increased spending Obama and Democrats are proposing….I totally agree trying to pay for 2 wars was absolutely irresponsible, especially w/ no plan. And I think Democrats are made about part D is because they didn’t come up w/ the program. Besides, don’t you want old people on fixed incomes to get the medicine they need w/o starving themselves. Besides, I advocate an across the board, every, I do mean every program gets a 25% cut! Starting in 2013…but Democrats only want to raise taxes on the wealthy, raise corporate tax rates, cut oil subsidies and the military, everything else, we need to expand…….

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If you are a federal employee we dont want more taxes we want to end your job. You just dont get it do you?

You don’t even know what my particular job function does. Then again, you don’t really know much anyway. I am very deeply entertwined into the GOP’s newest love interest, the Intelligence Industrial Complex. You’re more likely to win the Powerball drawing while having a threesome with Morgan Fairchild and Halle Berry in Air Force One while it’s getting struck by lightning than you will see my job go away.

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Morality?

November 26th, 2012
10:23 am

Jay – Still willing to bet my house against yours – in writing – that the Fed Debt will not be ONE CENT less at the end of Obama’s term than it is today. Obama is all TALK.
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So the bet is a double wide in Winder against a nice house in Decatur………………………………..

Sorry, I couldn’t resist. Besides, I think you have a valid point. I’d be “ok” with that, as long as it was MORE.

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N-GA @ 10:28

The sheeple will never see how they’re getting pickpocketed by the very people they vote for in the hopes of keeping their taxes low.

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No, “liberal hack”, Dems want to cut spending too…but we want to cut it via eliminating un-necessary and wasteful spending, mostly with the military, which is the biggest chunk of the budget. Republicans want to send Grandma back to eating cat food and snatch food away from hungry children while not touching the tax rates of the growing ranks of the already out of control wealthy. It’s all about starving government. Look up the word PLUTOCRACY and get back to me.

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Instead of raising the rates on those about 250K, I would create a new bracket on those making above 750K at 40 per cent. Reagan eliminated the top bracket when he was president. It was a bad idea.

And working on the deduction/lopholes is a good idea. Mortgage interest rate deduction cap of $10,000 would be good.

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“When a country now comprises a 50% make-up of government dependent milk lappers the “transformation” of America resembles the failed European socialist system.”

oh, the stupid is strong with this one …

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RB from Gwinnett

November 26th, 2012
10:30 am

“There are many loopholes that apply only to folks rich enough to have them RB”

Fred, if there are many, you can surely post a few of them here for us. Please do or stay out of the discussion if you aren’t up for it. And I’ve posted my effective rate here before, Fred, but thanks for posting the instructions for calculating it for the other liberals here. They need some serious help with simple math.
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In other words you don’t know your rate of income tax or you know it’s not 35% and don’t want to provide your own proof that you are a liar. I understand.

So tell me, how do folks who can’t afford a house get a mortgage deduction?

How do folks who don’t have enough to pay for college get a tuition deduction?

This is EASY PEASY there sport. How many of the hundreds do you wish me to list? I mean come on there sport, you aren’t talking to a brain dead talk radio listening foxbot sheeple person, you are talking to someone who actual HAS a brain and CAN think for himself.

I await your next lie…………

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Whoops, no I don’t await your next lie. Brother O is here and I have to go.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 26th, 2012
10:12 am

Thanks for another brilliant comment there dad…Where exactly did I suggest inaction? As suggested over and over, if you want to be a big man and take on a debate, you have to bring big boy support…otherwise, your comments are rendered a small step above lunacy..

I have confidence in you big boy!!

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Steve…”Who are the real “takers”? The wealthy with their tax loopholes and their lower tax rates etc etc etc”!!!___________________________________________________

Well said ……what most of us were thinking!!

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NamVet – you and all the right lose

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On the Lincoln movie, I’m getting the sense that the right is really not liking this movie – I got this feeling over the past 2 weeks from my conservative family members (but I never bothered to ask why since we avoid politics over holidays) and I see it above from JohnnyReb.

Is it the subject matter?

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“bulldada ”

is that a school of art? bulldadaism?

“So strong it just broke the meter and is off the scale.”

“You made it that far through that crap????”

not really … I was scrolling through and it leapt out at me …

HA!

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Donovan re: “Milk lappers etc etc etc ………….”!!!!

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Actually believes his stupidity!!!!!

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

November 26th, 2012
10:35 am

I’ve decided that IMO, we should give BO and the DEMS everything they want…that would separate the wheat from the chaf…those evil stupid old racists REP’s are just standing in the way of everything getting better cuz our guy has all the answers…

Let’s increase taxes on the rich who are clearly the bain of all’s existence to 91% on all income over 1 million and for christs sakes, let’s increase capital gains tax rate to 30%..only the rich benefit from that anyhow…also, those dirty, offshoring sitting on cash they should give to us corporations should be taxed at 40%..

We don’t need to eliminate SS and Medicare throwing our elders over the cliff like those idiot GOPS…can you believe they think there is any waste in those programs? Geez…all the above taxes will allow us to keep taking care of our voting based who appears to be sliding into obscurity..

I say give’em what they want and all will be Bill Clintonesque again..

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fred – Boot a Kook in Georgia in 2014 – its such a target rich environment

I gave it Mike Berlon, I think it is the best Democratic campgn slogan
I’ve seen in years, almost back to when we were civilized (pre-Somalia)

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zeke – 10:24 SOCIALIST AGENDA PROGRAMS

Our Military is fully funded by the Government as are our public roads.

Should we substantially reduce funding for these “socialist agenda programs”?

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Yes,something must be done. Thanks to George W. Bush,obama,and our congress and senate for all the drunken sailor spending,especially since 2000.Also, thanks for those who are useless as boobs on a man for being takers and screwing the system. BEWARE!

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It kills me that most of the people on the dole and the first to grab their Medicare funded scooter because they are too fat to walk are the ones screaming about socialism and voting for people who get tax breaks for their dressage horses and own car elevators in their garages.

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@ Donovan, welcome to the fray, what you have here is mostly liberal thought with great anger and cynacism, mix in some revenge. Bias confirmation from Bro and Kamchak and joe and geta and granny and uk . I n Vienna betwen the wars these “intellectuals’ were called “cafe’ communists”. This is the Starbucks crowd, plain and simple, oh there’s some fun too when GT gets long winded about something, anything…Same old predictable stuff…Good luck and have some fun…

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“EVERYTHING needs a slice out of it. Military, entitlements, ect…… Any bill that doesn’t take a bite out of everything is worthless.

Taxes need to be raised. Tie the raise to spending cuts. For every X billions of REAL spending cuts, the taxes can be raise X/10th of a percent. Tit for tat.”

I’m a fiscal conservative, but austerity is only likely to drive down the economy and lead to massive social unrest (quite possibly violent). Check Greece, Spain, the Occupy nonsense. The Government needs to stop growing and curtail spending, but there is just no way raising taxes (or cutting loopholes) won’t constrain economic growth. The only way we can cure our economic problems is for the private sector to grow (producing more revenue for the Fed). Unfortunately, economically illiterate Americans elected bigger Government bent on more Government canibalization of the private sector, and as we’ve seen the global economy dampens (absorbs) virtually all Government stimulus that isn’t simply thrown into losing propositions.

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big AqG groupie here

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INDIGO

No question in my mind we should cut 20% at least from DoD budget..as long as we have no “war” threat against our shores, why on earth do we need defense that eclipses the spending of the next 10 or so countries on that list? Seems we are like apple fanatics..gotta have that new technology right when it comes out…of course it would eliminate billions of campaign cash to DEM and GOP defense supporters…what a bother eh?

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Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.

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Alex — “Bias confirmation from Bro and Kamchak and joe and geta and granny and uk.”

IOW, you haven’t got any refutation. Thought so.

“In Vienna betwen the wars these “intellectuals’ were called “cafe’ communists”. This is the Starbucks crowd, plain and simple”

Well, when it comes to you, Alex, the accent is certainly on “simple.”

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Groupie here!

Thanks, I appreciate your attempts at mollifying my poutrage but UKinner gets the fresh, virgin groupies, you’re a used-up blog battle-scarred groupie. Nevertheless I’ll take what I can get. Beggars can’t be choosers.

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It kills me that most of the people on the dole and the first to grab their Medicare funded scooter because they are too fat to walk are the ones screaming about socialism and voting for people who get tax breaks for their dressage horses and own car elevators in their garages.

Poor baby…. now why don’t you get some facts and stop ranting nonsense. Try looking up BPA. Stop screaming about “too fat to walk” and then whine about taking “nanny state” actions like actually letting people know how many calories they are eating, stop subsidizing cheap fattening food and stop blaming people for being fat (when we don’t know all the triggers and issues) and start encouraging weight loss through a variety of programs, including sidewalks.

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D. Dad — “Well, wasn’t 9-11-2001 on “our shores”? Our problem is we aren’t willing to win the war.”

The first problem is how conservatives can possibly secure a beachhead against Islamunist Muslamiacs.

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Fred,

You a funny boy!

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Welcome to the Occupation you are right on the money with your comments, I just like the cooperation with the two sides and wanted to applaud it. Until we start acting civil towards each other we will never solve the bigger problems. We are all in this boat together, like God tied us together for his own enjoyment until we work it out.

What catches my eye on this dust up is how Wall Street seldom gets mentioned in the equation. Sure we have spent money we didn’t have, after we had four flat tires with our pals on Wall Street. They put a lot of able bodied man out of work, leave masses in the country homeless, pension funds drained yet the right wants a weak response so they can load up again. Pirates roam the seas of commerce but we do not want a navy; if this were a physical threat we would trot out our military in glorious overkill to impress and shock the enemy. For every lost house, job or pension fund someone on Wall Street got rich, follow the money. It just doesn’t disappear it is like stolen money, it ends up in the pockets of the offenders as the victims are left holding the empty bag. The right thinks the private sector can fix this mess; I say they broke it and are not motivated to fix it.

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“what has she said that’s incorrect?? you’re going to call her an idiot, then back it up.”

There is no deduction for Olympic horses. If there is one, I’m sure you’ll prove me wrong by posting the text of the bill here.

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It’s not Grover; it’s the pledge. You know; giving your word on something, or is that a foreign principle?

What about the pledges these Republican Congressman made to their CONSTITUENTS? Does that not mean anything? What state is Norquist from anyway?

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Bias confirmation from Bro and Kamchak and joe and geta and granny and uk .

Earth to alex, we all have biases. If not, we’d all suffer the same collective groupthink that permeates the GOP right now.

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RB — “There is no deduction for Olympic horses.”

Whoopsie! Someone forgot to tell the Romneys!

http://www.businessinsider.com/romney-rafalca-horse-tax-deduction-2012-9

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Brocephus – “Earth to alex, we all have biases.”

no … LIBERALS have biases … conservatives are just … you know … right

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JHM – beat you by 2 minutes … HA!

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okay … so, I’m starting the clock for how long until RB mans up and apologizes for calling Aquagirl an idiot … so far, we’re on 6 minutes …

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I believe that Mrs. Romney claims a tax deduction on her horse because she was able to afford a physician who claims it is appropriate therapy for Multiple Sclerosis.

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Seventy percent of counties with the fastest-growth in food-stamp aid during the last four years voted for the Republican presidential candidate in 2008, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. They include Republican strongholds like King County, Texas, which in 2008 backed Republican John McCain by 92.6 percent, his largest share in the nation; and fast-growing Douglas County, Colorado.

Okay. We need to cut food stamps. And we may as well limit the cuts to only those that do not want government help anyway, i.e., counties that voted Republican.

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I am biased against “Bammers”.

I also have a bias against “DemDawgs” too. DemDawgs think they’re big shippters since they accidentally beat Florida in the swamp; however some little lowly “game” cocks whipped their tails back to Athens.

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sfd….nice Godfather reference

Raise taxes on the so called rich; millionaires and billionaires yes, 250K for family of 4+, not so much.

However, if Obama the Czar does not come to table with meaningful reductions in spending then no deal. To be clear, simply reducing the spending increase is not meaningful reduction…

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While we’re at it, how about cutting foreign aid to these countries that hate us?

Word.

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DebbieDo
You are a brave person!

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1. Truly Amazing that a Georgia politician breaks with the GOP herd and sees the forest from the trees;
2. Repubs have no concern where Grover earns his money or who his clients are -probably all 1% ers;
3. Repubs could care less about Grovers ties to terrorist organizations. It is only ties of that phantom Muslim in the Whiter House that bothers them.
4. Grover is truly a “poopy head”.

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“I believe that Mrs. Romney claims a tax deduction on her horse because she was able to afford a physician who claims it is appropriate therapy for Multiple Sclerosis”

Yeah, who rode it in the Olympics? ‘Cause it sure wasn’t her.

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No cafe communist here, Mr. McCarthy.

Just a working stiff who has done the best job he could – at being a parent, son, sibling, friend, mate, taxpayer, informed consumer and empowered US citizen.

Though in many ways I am a traditionalist, it is plain to me that the time for the GOP’s obsessing over the past, and their intense desire to return to the trickle-down mistakes therein, is long gone.

The trick is to bring forward the best of the past, NOT the worst.

Evolve or die.

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Hiya Frog!! How ’bout DemDawgs?!? If I see another crazed, dazed, bug eyed Dog Fan talking about ‘We can beat Bamma and get to de Champ-Pee-On-Ship!!!” I’m gonna throw up!!

What is WRONG with those people? Do they not understand the word REALITY?

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Republicans believe that taxes influence investment and sure
enough Mrs Romney bought a horse as a tax deduction.

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speaking of not educated … RB – it’s been nearly 20 minutes … you planning on apologizing to Aqua for calling her an idiot when YOU were the one in the wrong???

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DebbieDo
Reality is an illusion in Georgia.

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USinUK….call Obama whatever you like, I certainly will…

Regarding cuts, it is not a one to one honey, it is 4 to 1 spending reductions to revenue increases. If not, we will get no where and btw, anyone that has a grasp of simple math realizes that the tax hikes are only symbolic to the base as they will have “zippo” impact on the debt….

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If DemDawgs accidentally beat Bamma, (like how they accidentally beat Florida), and get to the game against ND, they will EMBARRASS the S.E.C. for all time!

Thats right i said it! DemDawgs have a big case of the “Chokes” when it comes to winning significant games.

What are they in bowl games these past few yeas anyway? 5 -10?

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I am biased against “Bammers”.

And I still love you like a lil sister anyway.

I would think that we’d get a bit of thanks though, for making the decision to get rid of Chizik so much easier to make. Hopefully, Auburn will land a great coach who can bring that program back to where it’s supposed to be.

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REAL men admit and apologize when they’re wrong. Just sayin’.

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We may not beat Alabama, but I’d be willing to bet that we at least score 1 point against them — unlike some other unnamed and now coachless team did this weekend past.

Unsportsmanlike conduct!! Hitting a defenseless player above the shoulders. 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down.

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“I know you all think your cute with you posting of liberal propaganda stories about the Romneys horses, but when are you going to post for me the TAX CODE that gives deductions for it? Hurry back with it.”

caught out being wrong … and so backtracks like the weasel boy he is … tax code, indeed.

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SoCo/Bro

DDR is defenseless?

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We have yet to see justice in the Toomer’s Oak murder case. I hear that despite initial public denouncement, Alabama fans are now lauding this Updyke freak as a hero. Why isn’t he rotting in hole filled with Spike 80DF? If there were truly any remorse, this would already be done.

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indigo

November 26th, 2012
11:18 am

An easy fix which special interests and right fringies and left fringies hate is simply to cut 10% across the board…immediately..we all know there is at least that amount of waste, if not more in each…make DoD 20%…voila…the 6-8% from the “rich” wont’ even offset new spending already commited to….

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“It ain’t over til the fat lady sings !”

“SCOTUS orders appeals court to hear Liberty University health care lawsuit”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84226.html#ixzz2DLdP70tP

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as for the analysis on the Rafalca break … Forbes breaks it down.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/janetnovack/2012/07/19/both-left-and-right-got-the-taxes-on-the-romneys-olympic-horse-wrong/

(oh, yeah … the poor could TOTALLY take advantage of this)

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“Nope….wrong again as usual. It would raise $829 billion over 10 years according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.”

Over 10 years…good grief with a 16 trillion growing deficit now and the administration spending over a trillion annually 829 billion over 10 years is nothing. You must be getting your economic analysis from comic books.

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Tall pikes,room for 1/2 and 1/2……

Learn,ideas: manchester united(appreciate the humor),Romney horse,Demdogs,”poopy”,mualimatics,…Yes Stevei this is a conversation with real intellectual aspirations.

Like the Roosevelt quote though….Now for most of you the quote from alice roosevelt would be mor appropriate”"if you have nothing nice to say, come sit next to me”……or something to that affect.

@ Jamvet, Agree..social darwiniasm….

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Kamchak

For that particular hit, yeah… Everybody knew Auburn was going down. Alabama simply did their part to ensure that Chizik went away as fast as possible. One-sided rivalries are no fun. That said, I think your post will end up being the funniest one this week. It will be hard to top that one. Hopefully Jay won’t add or delete any posts so it remains at the top of the page.

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Bill your work is for NOTHING.

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So, not fixing the bad spending habits of politicians but instead raising the taxes to pay for the bad habits is somehow the right thing to do? Tell me again how this is a right vs left thing? I know, I know, it’s not. It only serves to make for a useless opinion piece on a Monday morning.

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” liberal propaganda stories”

dude. I TOTALLY missed that little phrase …

business insider and businessweek – not to mention, Forbes – are liberal propaganda sites???

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…and @Tom B hits the head on the nail. Why should WE THE PEOPLE (working Tea Party Republicans/those with common sense) have to pony up our hard-earned dollar$ to pay for Washington’s irresponsibility? Raising taxe$ is a job and investment killer, pure and simple. What part of that don’t you liberals get? What am I missing here? We have the highest corporate tax rate$ in the world. We cannot create job$ when the producers are being taxed to death! OH, by the way, even you deadbeat liberals are going to have to pony up more money because all tax$ are going up in the new year. We are headed for a financial earthquake and you socialistic libs are sitting at your computers with your heads in the sand! Enough! Amen, Bill

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Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican.

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BOW — “…and @Tom B hits the head on the nail. Why should WE THE PEOPLE (working Tea Party Republicans/those with common sense) have to pony up our hard-earned dollar$ to pay for Washington’s irresponsibility?”

Because the House is where spending bills originate and because the GOP holds the House, that’s why.

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hear that despite initial public denouncement, Alabama fans are now lauding this Updyke freak as a hero. Why isn’t he rotting in hole filled with Spike 80DF?

“Cause he said, (Updike), that even though he called into the radio station and publicly admitted that he did it, that it wasn’t him; he was just making a joke.

If there were truly any remorse, this would already be done.

Well the “Bamma” fans believed him; and since they’re all brain dead is it any wonder he’ getting away with it?

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

November 26th, 2012
11:52 am

‘OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BARACK OBAMA’

I agree with you that’s an overstatement…there are at least 47 or so million who don’t feel that way..plus I’m sure only 50-75% of DEMS feel that way…I do wish BO would take his arrogance aside and face his fears…he was the lesser of two evils…more specifically, the best of the worse..

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Nunna Yobinnes — “So let me get this straight: any conservative comment is automatically dismissed as being regurgitated FOX news, Newt, et al, but if a liberal deliberately (or under the influence of the uneducated or liberal media) puts out non-factual information is not required to provide any facts at all. And you call conservatives out on this stuff?”

What “non-factual” information are you *talking* about? Everything we posted came from the *business* press, not Mother Freakin’ Jones.

Besides, RB has a history of demanding that people follow his rules of debate, so we’re just giving him some of his own medicine. Want in on the fun?

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Sorry that was $920 billion…..we need to cover an annual deficit between 1-1.3 trillion annually plus offset additional spending already committed to by BO et al..

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Stevie Ray

Georgia has a chance, but they will also need Bama to beat themselves. Alabama doesn’t make very many mistakes, and if Georgia can’t move the ball against that defense, it will be a long night in the Dome for Georgia fans. I think it will be a good game to watch though.

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Joe – tax breaks for the wealthy such as Olympic Horses, et al. What part of the “wealthy tax cuts” does that come from? Seems a reasonable question to me, since no such “wealth tax cut” exists.

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@ Stevie, really can you ask any organization to predict 10years out ? Right or left these 10 year predictions are so tenuous !Any data on what the CBO thought ten years ago about our deficit?

Did you get a scone with that?

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http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/06/19/clarifying_the_record_on_mitt_romney_s_77_000_losses_olympic_horse_rafalca.html

Oh, I get it, you morons are upset about people taking deductions FOR BUSINESS EXPENSES, not for the “Olympic show horse deduction”. I get it now. I wasn’t aware any of you were proposing an elimination of business expense deductions. Or is it only business expenses you deem unfair? Funny how Warren Buffett still claims his corporate jet as a BUSINESS EXPENSE DEDUCTION but nobody seems to be whining about that??

Or about every Subway franchise owner deducting for training his employees, or going to Vegas for their national meeting , or geez you people are so anti business it’s just friggin incredible.

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ok, I don’t do this often, cause the host won’t pay me 250/hr, but –

Internal Revenue Service Publication 502 describes medical deductions
in detail.
Lord Hairgel’s problem however is the further clarification of this ‘code’
(oh the antiquated language is telling, dude) in the form of
IRS Section 213d – Eligible Medical Expenses (read it for yourself,
I have children and a job)

The trick here is he listed his asset as a business expense (his claim).
(he won’t show them, but Harry’s got them) He also listed said horse as
an eligible medical expense (very sleazy). He can’t do both. So at some
point when the hangman catches up, he’ll have to file an Amended
Return (much more egregious than ‘tax-cheat Tim Geithner’, as Fox
screeches daily) and pay a penalty. In my professional opinion,
he cleverly skated, but I believe skated over the line from tax cheat
to Tax Fraud. And that would be my testimony, if asked.

In NO way are people like this to be trusted with sharp spoons,
much less $trillions in public funds. The End. I’ll Stamp that.

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RB – 12:07 – aaaaaaaaaaaand, again – point us to a poor person who could do the same with their dressage hobby.

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RB — “Oh, I get it, you morons are upset about people taking deductions FOR BUSINESS EXPENSES, not for the “Olympic show horse deduction”.

You originally asked for examples of deductions that wealthy people could take that were unavailable to poor people. Don’t get all butthurt just because you got what you asked for.

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“Or about every Subway franchise owner deducting for training his employees,”

who knew that franchises were hobbies … kinda like model trains …

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Nunna — “Joe – there aren’t any such provisions.”

Actually, there are, and you need to read the links that were posted.

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Just tell me where the Olympic Horse deduction provisions are.

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There’s more tap dancing going on here about these tax cuts than Savion Glover, Ben Vereen, Sammy Davis Jr, and Gregory Hines doing a Super Bowl halftime show.

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Nunna – “Just tell me where the Olympic Horse deduction provisions are.”

I’m sure RB will ask you to the prom – you really don’t have to suck up quite this much

in the meantime, the question was what tax provision can the rich take advantage of that the poor can’t. I do believe that dressage horses as a “business” (cough *hobby* cough) qualifies.

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Keep @ 11:44 — Women aren’t women anymore!! We’re actually aliens from the planet Fem-N-Azi; and we want men for only one thing………..that’s right…….that’s all you guys are good for. Fighting small insects and scaring away bugs!

Stevie: plus I’m sure only 50-75% of DEMS feel that way…

Stevie………you is important……………….you is different…………….you is stooooopid………….

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brosephus

I want bama vs. notre dame, just because nick satan would have to return to miami and face the people and press! Can’t we all just get along?

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Oh, so you admit that you just accepted the word of the media, versus the actual tax provisions

What part are you disputing? The crazy media assertions you can deduct business expenses, or the assertion Ann Romney claimed her dancing horsie as a business expense? Which of these do you believe is a liberal conspiracy theory?

The election beatdown has clearly taken its toll. You need to check and see if tinfoil is deductible as a medical expense.

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‘excellent … where to you want to start?’

Your husband’s job!

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If Ann deducted her “Olympic Horsie” expenses, then IRS ought to audit her. Just because someone deducts something doesn’t mean it is legitimate.

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Nunna Yobinnes — “The links are on today’s blog?”

Yes. And we’ve been TELLING you to go back and catch up on the argument before you make more of a jackazz out of yourself.

If you want to hang out in the hole RB’s dug for himself today, that’s your lookout, but I had thought you were smarter than that. Now please go back and catch up on the discussion and the links.

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I got tired of looking after following the first five or six links, with no reference whatsoever to the Olympic Horse deduction.

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Joe, “You originally asked for examples of deductions that wealthy people could take that were unavailable to poor people. Don’t get all butthurt just because you got what you asked for.”

Anybody can go buy a $500 horse, train the horse to compete in the Olympics, and take the exact same deductions the Romneys took. But you already know that, don’t you? Just sounds better to the ignorant liberal masses if you make it out to be a rich people’s Olympic show horse tax break doesn’t it.

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Joe: If you’re not wealthy enough to own and maintain a horse, then you’re not wealthy enough to take advantage of any tax breaks associated with such ownership. Ergo, such a deduction is unavailable to the poor

Gad gummit Joe! You and Usink need to stop making sense when talking to the Conned!! How many times do I have to TELL you this?

You want the conned to understand something? Then you have to speak to them in THEIR language — the language of crazy.

OK here goes:

Hey ya’ll, This is how it worked back when my pappy was his pappy’s baby boy. Ain’t nuthing changed since then but a bug on a rug! That there deductions are taken cause them there people have them horses. Now poor folks has them horses too; however they can’t feed them. so that’s why they’s poor. so that’s why only them there richness folks can afford them.

So thats why they need the deduction!

And as Miss TEen South Carolina 2007 would say: I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don’t have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our [children].

Now I bet that ^^ made sense to the Conned. and THATs how you talk to a Conned.

Stop trying to elevate them to your level. Dumb it down.

That’s gonna be our new pledge for 2014’s election — “Dumbing It Down For The Conned”

Duh!

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I dont know why everyone is worried about Romney’s taxes. Last year’s budget deals effectively gutted the IRS so bad , their ability to go after tax cheats is non-existent.

That’s 366 billion dollars yearly.

So even if Romney is cheating on his taxes while yours truly and others pay theirs , we wouldnt know about it. So I’m not worried about it anymore.

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“I got tired of looking after following the first five or six links, with no reference whatsoever to the Olympic Horse deduction.”

then you really do have reading comprehension problems that are beyond help.

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RINO’s are dupes.

Sure, they’ll get a Bookman “Profiles in Courage” award plus an invite or two to a Sally Quinn Georgetown cocktail party for throwing conservative principles under the bus, but come election time the Dems and MSM will still call them racists, homophobes, granny-killers, etc. And the country will continue its downward slide to euro-socialism.

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Looking forward to seeing you kicked to the curb willieb.

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DebbieDoRight – I slept with Gen. Patreus (Not really, but i didn’t want to be the only one who didn’t)

November 26th, 2012
12:21 pm

Are you suggesting my suggestion that maybe 50-75% of liberals think obama is savior and messiah is heavy or light?

Best if you could be clear on your response instead of going for the attempted comedic post…

you so funny!

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OK, I found the article. They got a $50 loss for tax purposes on a $77,000 loss. That $50 just put the US economy over the edge.

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Nunna – 12:43 – make sure that, when you move the goalposts you lift with your knees.

the point isn’t the amount – the point is that they can avail themselves on a deduction (regardless of size) that the poor cannot.

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Too many of our Georgia General Assembly members are controlled by Grover, too. Fortunately, Chip Rogers is one that will not matter anymore!

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The poor can likely also deduct all of their itemized deductions and personal exemptions and the wealthy cannot. So what?

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S. Ray — “Are you suggesting my suggestion that maybe 50-75% of liberals think obama is savior and messiah is heavy or light?”

Since ‘everybody knows’ that all libruls are godless atheists, your claim must be heavy.

If we’re all atheists, then by definition we can’t possibly *have* a savior or messiah.

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Brosephus™

November 26th, 2012
12:39 pm

As I suggested tongue in cheek earlier, IMO we should give the Dems all they want…increases on wealthy, cap gains, corporate taxes and the like…let’em have everything they promised and see if this remotely offsets deficit by a dollar…

BTW, what exactly is the difference between tax rate hike and taking the same amount dough via elimination of deductions…another example of dopes in DC thinking we are a bunch of dumbarses..

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S. Ray — “BTW, what exactly is the difference between tax rate hike and taking the same amount dough via elimination of deductions…”

Who says we can’t do some of both?

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New Democrat Promise to US Citizens – An Olympic Horsie in Every Yard.

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Sorry, I misunderstood.

Painfully obvious from the get go.

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Joe Hussein Mama

November 26th, 2012
12:56 pm

We can and should but the dopey GOP think by not allowing the rates to increase, they are accomplishing something while generating the same dough via tax code changes is…well stupid is as stupid does eh?

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The poor can likely also deduct all of their itemized deductions and personal exemptions and the wealthy cannot. So what?

When you’ve absolutely been beaten to a blog pulp, simply repeat your original assertion that the tax code is fair because dammit, poor people can deduct their dressage horses too if they were only smart enough to hire the right tax accountant.

If this type of silly nutless cut ‘n run babble is all you have you have you’re welcome to it, some folks apparently noticed it leads to election disaster. So the sinking ship is all yours, stretch out and relax. Enjoy. Send us a postcard from the bottom of the ocean.

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N. Yobinnes — “Yes, I understand that the rich can afford things that the poor cannot. Are you saying everyone should have the same amount of wealth?”

No.

“My argument was that there are not tax breaks specifically designed for the wealthy and their horses.”

And no one else was arguing that or its negation. There *were* however, persons arguing that there are tax breaks that the wealthy can take advantage of that the poor cannot. The horseduction is certainly an example of that.

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Aquagirl – Try sticking to a logical debate. Twisting the subject matter around to suit your agenda just doesn’t really look good.

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If by rich/wealthy you mean millionaires and billionaires I would agree, if you mean a family making 250K then that is far from rich….

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Get Real – that $50 loss deduction just wrecked the US economy. Turrible ain’t it?

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USinUK – show me where I referred at all to Forbes, et al. I didn’t. That was YOUR argument, not mine. But the bottom line is this, whether Forbes or whom reports anything or not has no bearing on what the law says.

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This thing still on? well then–

I would agree, if you mean a family making 250K then that is far from rich….

A family making 250K won’t pay any more in taxes if Obama has his way.

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No one has refuted, nor will they be able to refute what I said.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

Moving upstairs for good now.

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Sfd; not my understanding…..perhaps every dollar beyond the 250K the incremtal will increase but then again that is based in the agi or just gross…educate me oh learned one…seriously

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I was trying to draw attention to the fact that there are no tax breaks for the wealthy that the poor cannot also take advantage of.

I have made a terrible mistake….Nunna is a public servant, who else would spend so much energy alerting the working poor that they’re missing valuable tax deductions?

We should admire his tenacity and dedication to the underprivileged dressage horse owners of America.

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You can’t educate those who want to remain in their blissful ignorance Aquagirl.

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“You can’t educate those who want to remain in their blissful ignorance Aquagirl.”

Quite accidentally a factual statement.

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perhaps every dollar beyond the 250K the incremtal will increase

Yes, that’s how it works. And I guess your point is that a family making 250K aren’t exactly Masters of the Universe, and I get that. However, I really don’t think a small percentage increase on the income above that level is likely to throw our economy into a tailspin. Cutting back social programs will.

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USinUK_also, your name is going to spawn confusion.

Might I suggest “USinUK_also-too”?

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Grover, the sideshow clown that somehow made it to center ring. Time to leave the tent.

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Medicare and Social Security are not entitlements. Medicare is health insurance and Social Security is a pension plan. We are paying into them both with every pay check and when we enroll in them we will be using programs that we paid into, not that we are somehow entitled to. Social security is not part of the budget and not part of the deficit. Just like any private pension plan, if it is underfunded then premiums must be raised. This can be accomplished by removing the cap on income that is assessed, the social security wage base. If I earned the max (something like 100,000K/year) I would pay about 6000 into SS and my employer would pay the same. But if I earned 1,000,000/year, I would pay the same 6000. So if we need to raise the cap to 200K it would be just fine with me. Medicare is different but to me we should treat it like any other health insurance. If too much is being paid out then premiums need to be increased.
The primary difference between Medicare and private insurance is that private insuranc3e must make a profit, so a portion of what we pay in premiums is removed to become someone else’s profit and is not available to pay for health care. This alone is enough reason to make Medicare available to all. Some have said to me, Medicare is too expensive e now, what would happen if we gave it to everyone? Medicare is expensive because it only covers the elderly and the disabled. Healthy people like me are paying insurance premiums to companies who are using my money for profit. If I was allowed to join Medicare, my premiums would be going into the system, balancing the poll of risk.
To summarize: stop calling Medicare and social security entitlements. Change the names to “the United States Pension Plan” and “the United States health insurance plan.” And then run them like they are funded by premiums, just like private insurance.

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@Nunna Yobinnes

November 26th, 2012
1:31 pm
What about duh po folks who make up they own deduckshuns on they tax retuns, but ain’t really telling the trooth?

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It takes ONE to know ONE.

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