Hope your holiday was better than Grover Norquist’s
Grover Norquist may be feeling a mite grumpy this morning.
Noting that he had signed Grover Norquist’s no-new-taxes pledge some 20 years ago, U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss said last week that “times have changed significantly.”
“I care more about my country than I do about a 20-year-old pledge,” Chambliss said in a phone interview with WMAZ in Macon. “And I care about the country that we leave our children and grandchildren. If we do it (Norquist’s) way then we’ll continue in debt and I just have a disagreement with him about that.”
“I’m willing to do the right thing and let the political consequences take care of themselves,” Chambliss said. “If we get this country back on track, that’s the most important thing and the politics will follow that.”
On Sunday, U.S. Rep. Peter King, a Republican from New York, joined the bandwagon, appearing on “Meet the Press” to say that “I agree entirely with Saxby Chambliss.”
“A pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that Congress. For instance, if I were in Congress in 1941, I would have signed a declaration of war against Japan. I’m not going to attack Japan today. The world has changed. And the economic situation is different. Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill realized that in the 1980s. I think everything should be on the table. I myself am opposed to tax increases. The fact is that speaker and the majority leader and the president are going to be in a room, trying to find the best package. I’m not going to prejudge it. And I’m just saying we should not be taking ironclad positions.”
And on ABC’s “This Week,” U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, Republican from South Carolina, joined the chorus. In doing so, he brushed aside a veiled threat from Norquist, who had argued that Graham would not dare to vote to raise taxes because he “liked being a senator.”
“I love being a senator, and I want to be a senator that matters for the state of South Carolina and the country. When you’re $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming Greece, and Republicans — Republicans should put revenue on the table. We’re this far in debt. We don’t generate enough revenue. Capping deductions will help generate revenue. Raising tax rates will hurt job creation.
So I agree with Grover, we shouldn’t raise rates, but I think Grover is wrong when it comes to we can’t cap deductions and buy down debt. What do you do with the money? I want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs, but I will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if Democrats will do entitlement reform.
Graham, like Chambliss, is up for re-election in 2014, meaning that both men are risking primary challenges by taking such a position. But every Republican who publicly repudiates Norquist weakens the man’s grip on their party and their vote, and that’s long, long overdue.
– Jay Bookman
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 26th, 2012
11:33 am
If I see another crazed, dazed, bug eyed Dog Fan talking about ‘We can beat Bamma and get to de Champ-Pee-On-Ship!!!” I’m gonna throw up!!
We may not beat Alabama, but I’d be willing to bet that we at least score 1 point against them — unlike some other unnamed and now coachless team did this weekend past.
Brosephus™
November 26th, 2012
11:34 am
I am biased against “Bammers”.
And I still love you like a lil sister anyway.
I would think that we’d get a bit of thanks though, for making the decision to get rid of Chizik so much easier to make. Hopefully, Auburn will land a great coach who can bring that program back to where it’s supposed to be.
RB from Gwinnett
November 26th, 2012
11:34 am
I know you all think your cute with you posting of liberal propaganda stories about the Romneys horses, but when are you going to post for me the TAX CODE that gives deductions for it? Hurry back with it.
Matti
November 26th, 2012
11:36 am
REAL men admit and apologize when they’re wrong. Just sayin’.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
11:36 am
Get REal – “Regarding cuts, it is not a one to one honey, it is 4 to 1 spending reductions to revenue increases.”
I didn’t know that honey was involved … given the declining bee population, that could definitely be a problem.
oh, you were calling ME honey … you might want to insert a comma in there – it’s that whole eats shoots and leaves thing.
and, again, you might want to go back to the article I linked to earlier – the dems HAVE submitted budget cuts – bigger and more effective budget cuts than the GOP – so, you know … you can take your condescension down the road, bubba.
Brosephus™
November 26th, 2012
11:38 am
We may not beat Alabama, but I’d be willing to bet that we at least score 1 point against them — unlike some other unnamed and now coachless team did this weekend past.
Unsportsmanlike conduct!! Hitting a defenseless player above the shoulders. 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down.
DebbieDoRight - I slept with Gen. Patreus (Not really, but i didn't want to be the only one who didn't)
November 26th, 2012
11:39 am
RB: If that’s what you’ve got, Fred, you’re not educated enough to be part of this discussion
Look who’s talking!
Frog: Reality is an illusion in Georgia
Ha! So true! I’m going to put that on a bumper sticker and sell it. I’ll make MILLIONS!! (You won’t get a dime ’cause you posted it on a public forum –sorry.
)
Get Real: anyone that has a grasp of simple math
Whoooo hoooo! YOu’re about to get smacked down by Usink!! She has more than a “grasp” of math!!
I’m going to sit back and enjoy this…………. like my mama used to say, “you asked for this azz whipping and now you’re going to take it!”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
11:41 am
“I know you all think your cute with you posting of liberal propaganda stories about the Romneys horses, but when are you going to post for me the TAX CODE that gives deductions for it? Hurry back with it.”
caught out being wrong … and so backtracks like the weasel boy he is … tax code, indeed.
WAW
November 26th, 2012
11:42 am
When Lindsey and his Repenting Republicans starts paying back the debt, they can start with Social Security and then do as the Messiah Ronald Reagan promised and adjust the withdrawals by .005% and let at least one Republican Contract with America be honored. To prove their loyal intent, they should pay that debt to a Lock Box for Social Security so some future PLEDGE can’t touch it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 26th, 2012
11:42 am
SoCo/Bro
DDR is defenseless?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
11:42 am
USinUK — “how long until RB mans up”
Never happen.
Matti
November 26th, 2012
11:42 am
We have yet to see justice in the Toomer’s Oak murder case. I hear that despite initial public denouncement, Alabama fans are now lauding this Updyke freak as a hero. Why isn’t he rotting in hole filled with Spike 80DF? If there were truly any remorse, this would already be done.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
11:44 am
Couple of comments on some of the more hilarious posts:
” As for babies, recent studies have shown again that education, birth control and other actions other than preaching abstinence actually works.”
Education? There are people out there who don’t know where babies come from and need to be educated? Somebody has to tell them to put a hat on that puppy? And we have to pay for it?
“….foolish. Interest income taxed at 15%….foolish.”
Um, before you call others foolish, you would do well to get your facts straight. Interest income is ordinary income and taxed at the taxpayer’s marginal rate. The only people paying 15% on interest income are lower income and some middle class taxpayers.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 26th, 2012
11:44 am
indigo
November 26th, 2012
11:18 am
An easy fix which special interests and right fringies and left fringies hate is simply to cut 10% across the board…immediately..we all know there is at least that amount of waste, if not more in each…make DoD 20%…voila…the 6-8% from the “rich” wont’ even offset new spending already commited to….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 26th, 2012
11:44 am
Well finally someone has figured out what the problem is with these wimmen folk like USinUK, Aquagirl, Matti, DDR, Granny, Doggone….. It’s their war on men. Thank goodness that the good wimmen folk at Fox and the GOP know their place and traditional roles.
[Ducking and pleading extreme sarcasm..... and blaming it all on someone else, maybe Brosephus, he's got weapons to defend himself
]
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
November 26th, 2012
11:45 am
“It ain’t over til the fat lady sings !”
“SCOTUS orders appeals court to hear Liberty University health care lawsuit”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84226.html#ixzz2DLdP70tP
Pizzaman
November 26th, 2012
11:45 am
Why would any Right or Left thinking American sign anything proposed by a non-elected individual with a personal motive. Maybe the Repubs have seen the light!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
11:45 am
as for the analysis on the Rafalca break … Forbes breaks it down.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/janetnovack/2012/07/19/both-left-and-right-got-the-taxes-on-the-romneys-olympic-horse-wrong/
(oh, yeah … the poor could TOTALLY take advantage of this)
Bill Orvis White
November 26th, 2012
11:45 am
Well then, they’re fired. I will be sending checks to the honorable Rep. Tom Price to challenge”Mr.” Shameless in Georgia. In South Carolina, I will be working hard to unseat “Mr.” Graham by urging the honorable Gov. Haley to unseat that filthy liar. Sorry folks, but if you decide to raise taxe$, Tea Party Republicans WILL do what it takes to unseat you. Mr. Norquist is a true patriot who has been doing what it takes to save this once-free nation.
Amen,
Bill
Recon 0311 2533
November 26th, 2012
11:46 am
“Nope….wrong again as usual. It would raise $829 billion over 10 years according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.”
Over 10 years…good grief with a 16 trillion growing deficit now and the administration spending over a trillion annually 829 billion over 10 years is nothing. You must be getting your economic analysis from comic books.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
11:46 am
RB — “I know you all think your cute with you posting of liberal propaganda stories about the Romneys horses, but when are you going to post for me the TAX CODE that gives deductions for it? Hurry back with it.”
What part of *We Don’t Take Orders From You* don’t you understand, RB? (laughing, pointing)
alex
November 26th, 2012
11:47 am
Tall pikes,room for 1/2 and 1/2……
Learn,ideas: manchester united(appreciate the humor),Romney horse,Demdogs,”poopy”,mualimatics,…Yes Stevei this is a conversation with real intellectual aspirations.
Like the Roosevelt quote though….Now for most of you the quote from alice roosevelt would be mor appropriate”"if you have nothing nice to say, come sit next to me”……or something to that affect.
@ Jamvet, Agree..social darwiniasm….
DebbieDoRight - I slept with Gen. Patreus (Not really, but i didn't want to be the only one who didn't)
November 26th, 2012
11:47 am
Kam: We may not beat Alabama, but I’d be willing to bet that we at least score 1 point against them — unlike some other unnamed and now coachless team did this weekend past.
I have NO idea what you’re talking about. Mr. DemDawgsKam………
Bro: I would think that we’d get a bit of thanks though, for making the decision to get rid of Chizik so much easier to make.
If Chizik was smart, (as he obviously WASN’T); he should’ve retired right after Kam left for the NFL. Then he would’ve went out a winner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7TxIMAwc1k
Brosephus™
November 26th, 2012
11:47 am
Kamchak
For that particular hit, yeah… Everybody knew Auburn was going down. Alabama simply did their part to ensure that Chizik went away as fast as possible. One-sided rivalries are no fun. That said, I think your post will end up being the funniest one this week. It will be hard to top that one. Hopefully Jay won’t add or delete any posts so it remains at the top of the page.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
11:48 am
Keep Up – 11:44 – whatever the problem, you can always count on FOX to make sure that women are to blame.
Jefferson
November 26th, 2012
11:49 am
Bill your work is for NOTHING.
Brosephus™
November 26th, 2012
11:49 am
Matti
As far as this Alabama fan thinks, Updyke could drink the same stuff he put on those trees for all I care. Some people take the rivalry thing way too far. I have to look to see what kind of charges he could face as I have no idea of the legal implications he faces.
Tom B
November 26th, 2012
11:49 am
So, not fixing the bad spending habits of politicians but instead raising the taxes to pay for the bad habits is somehow the right thing to do? Tell me again how this is a right vs left thing? I know, I know, it’s not. It only serves to make for a useless opinion piece on a Monday morning.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 26th, 2012
11:49 am
Brosephus™
November 26th, 2012
11:38 am
I think we can safely toss all prior years records away for GA Bama game. BAMA is bama but UGA has at least 4 players who are first rounders and they are on a defensive tear….a place they should have been all year. We will get outcoached but on a man to man basis, the teams couldn’t be more close….
I very much like our chances…………….Alabama is not as awe inspiring as in the past few years…
Turnovers and special teams…our kicking is suspect compared to bama’s…be interesting to see also who controls line of scrimmage..
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
11:49 am
” liberal propaganda stories”
dude. I TOTALLY missed that little phrase …
business insider and businessweek – not to mention, Forbes – are liberal propaganda sites???
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 26th, 2012
11:52 am
‘OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BARACK OBAMA’
drudgey spam
Bill Orvis White
November 26th, 2012
11:53 am
…and @Tom B hits the head on the nail. Why should WE THE PEOPLE (working Tea Party Republicans/those with common sense) have to pony up our hard-earned dollar$ to pay for Washington’s irresponsibility? Raising taxe$ is a job and investment killer, pure and simple. What part of that don’t you liberals get? What am I missing here? We have the highest corporate tax rate$ in the world. We cannot create job$ when the producers are being taxed to death! OH, by the way, even you deadbeat liberals are going to have to pony up more money because all tax$ are going up in the new year. We are headed for a financial earthquake and you socialistic libs are sitting at your computers with your heads in the sand! Enough! Amen, Bill
Brosephus™
November 26th, 2012
11:54 am
DDR
You’re right about leaving after that year, but the greed monster took hold. When he saw that contract, he couldn’t walk away.
Jefferson
November 26th, 2012
11:55 am
Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 26th, 2012
11:55 am
Recon 0311 2533
November 26th, 2012
11:46 am
There you go being silly again…taxing the rich will bring in a whopping 6-8% of annual deficit spending…how can we possibly sneeze at that:-)
If we assume the CBO is, for once, remotely accurate in 10 years predictions (maybe a 5% chanace of being within a trillion or two), the rich don’t come up with another loop hole, and we get $920 trillion from other sources…we may have a game..
Will the pigs fly out of my butt or yours first?
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
11:55 am
BOW — “…and @Tom B hits the head on the nail. Why should WE THE PEOPLE (working Tea Party Republicans/those with common sense) have to pony up our hard-earned dollar$ to pay for Washington’s irresponsibility?”
Because the House is where spending bills originate and because the GOP holds the House, that’s why.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
11:55 am
@Joe HSM -RB — “I know you all think your cute with you posting of liberal propaganda stories about the Romneys horses, but when are you going to post for me the TAX CODE that gives deductions for it? Hurry back with it.”
What part of *We Don’t Take Orders From You* don’t you understand, RB? (laughing, pointing) ”
@USinUK – “I know you all think your cute with you posting of liberal propaganda stories about the Romneys horses, but when are you going to post for me the TAX CODE that gives deductions for it? Hurry back with it.”
caught out being wrong … and so backtracks like the weasel boy he is … tax code, indeed”
So let me get this straight: any conservative comment is automatically dismissed as being regurgitated FOX news, Newt, et al, but if a liberal deliberately (or under the influence of the uneducated or liberal media) puts out non-factual information is not required to provide any facts at all. And you call conservatives out on this stuff?
DebbieDoRight - I slept with Gen. Patreus (Not really, but i didn't want to be the only one who didn't)
November 26th, 2012
11:56 am
hear that despite initial public denouncement, Alabama fans are now lauding this Updyke freak as a hero. Why isn’t he rotting in hole filled with Spike 80DF?
“Cause he said, (Updike), that even though he called into the radio station and publicly admitted that he did it, that it wasn’t him; he was just making a joke.
If there were truly any remorse, this would already be done.
Well the “Bamma” fans believed him; and since they’re all brain dead is it any wonder he’ getting away with it?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 26th, 2012
11:56 am
Raising taxe$ is a job and investment killer, pure and simple. What part of that don’t you liberals get? What am I missing here?
What “part” are you missing?
The “part” where it didn’t work.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 26th, 2012
11:58 am
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 26th, 2012
11:52 am
‘OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BARACK OBAMA’
I agree with you that’s an overstatement…there are at least 47 or so million who don’t feel that way..plus I’m sure only 50-75% of DEMS feel that way…I do wish BO would take his arrogance aside and face his fears…he was the lesser of two evils…more specifically, the best of the worse..
JamVet
November 26th, 2012
11:58 am
alex, Darwinism?
Is that code for “some wacky unproven theory”? Just asking.
Take note – the rabid Christian right lost the Scopes Monkey Trial more than 87 years ago. That outcome is never going to change, so I would encourage those that this admonition applies to, quit fighting it….
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:00 pm
Nunna Yobinnes — “So let me get this straight: any conservative comment is automatically dismissed as being regurgitated FOX news, Newt, et al, but if a liberal deliberately (or under the influence of the uneducated or liberal media) puts out non-factual information is not required to provide any facts at all. And you call conservatives out on this stuff?”
What “non-factual” information are you *talking* about? Everything we posted came from the *business* press, not Mother Freakin’ Jones.
Besides, RB has a history of demanding that people follow his rules of debate, so we’re just giving him some of his own medicine. Want in on the fun?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 26th, 2012
12:01 pm
…I do wish BO would take his arrogance aside and face his fears…
Don’t care.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 26th, 2012
12:01 pm
Sorry that was $920 billion…..we need to cover an annual deficit between 1-1.3 trillion annually plus offset additional spending already committed to by BO et al..
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:01 pm
Nunna – “So let me get this straight: any conservative comment is automatically dismissed as being regurgitated FOX news, Newt, et al, but if a liberal deliberately (or under the influence of the uneducated or liberal media) puts out non-factual information is not required to provide any facts at all. And you call conservatives out on this stuff?”
oh, dear. a bit of advice: you REALLY don’t want to get involved in an argument that’s well underway unless you go back and read the history.
last time I checked, business insider, businessweek and forbes were NOT “liberal media” – and all three of them have upheld Aquagirl’s post / refuted RB – who called Aqua an idiot.
I called RB out for NOT admitting he was wrong and called for him to apologize for calling Aqua an idiot when, in fact, HE was the one who was incorrect.
and what is his answer? asking for the flipping TAX CODE.
so, having brought you up to speed – I’ll give you the opportunity to step away from your 11:55 since you were talking out of your nether region.
Brosephus™
November 26th, 2012
12:01 pm
Stevie Ray
Georgia has a chance, but they will also need Bama to beat themselves. Alabama doesn’t make very many mistakes, and if Georgia can’t move the ball against that defense, it will be a long night in the Dome for Georgia fans. I think it will be a good game to watch though.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:02 pm
‘OUR LORD AND SAVIOR DANIEL CRAIG’
there.
been DYIN to fix that typo
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
12:03 pm
Joe – tax breaks for the wealthy such as Olympic Horses, et al. What part of the “wealthy tax cuts” does that come from? Seems a reasonable question to me, since no such “wealth tax cut” exists.
DebbieDoRight - I slept with Gen. Patreus (Not really, but i didn't want to be the only one who didn't)
November 26th, 2012
12:03 pm
Scout: “SCOTUS orders appeals court to hear Liberty University health care lawsuit”
Here’s some Civics 101 for ya Scout –
First the impetus for the judgement: The SCs simply told the initiator that they can not summarily vacate a ruling until the case has went through all the lower courts first.
Then the background: Over the summer, the school asked the Supreme Court to reopen its arguments against the employer mandate and the contraceptive coverage mandate, which it said were not addressed by the court’s ruling this summer. The court on Monday agreed to the request and told the Fourth Circuit to hear arguments on the two pieces
Now the lesson: The SC is the LAST court a case ‘gets to”; and that is only after it’s been through all the lower courts and only after summary judgement has been passed by all of the lower courts.
In essence, your comment, is premature.
alex
November 26th, 2012
12:03 pm
@ Stevie, really can you ask any organization to predict 10years out ? Right or left these 10 year predictions are so tenuous !Any data on what the CBO thought ten years ago about our deficit?
Did you get a scone with that?
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
12:05 pm
USinUK – just pointing out obvious hypocrisy.
RB from Gwinnett
November 26th, 2012
12:07 pm
http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/06/19/clarifying_the_record_on_mitt_romney_s_77_000_losses_olympic_horse_rafalca.html
Oh, I get it, you morons are upset about people taking deductions FOR BUSINESS EXPENSES, not for the “Olympic show horse deduction”. I get it now. I wasn’t aware any of you were proposing an elimination of business expense deductions. Or is it only business expenses you deem unfair? Funny how Warren Buffett still claims his corporate jet as a BUSINESS EXPENSE DEDUCTION but nobody seems to be whining about that??
Or about every Subway franchise owner deducting for training his employees, or going to Vegas for their national meeting , or geez you people are so anti business it’s just friggin incredible.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:07 pm
Nunna – “just pointing out obvious hypocrisy.”
doing it very ineffectively since your point isn’t applicable.
St Simons - aboriginal BOOTAKOOK 2014
November 26th, 2012
12:08 pm
ok, I don’t do this often, cause the host won’t pay me 250/hr, but –
Internal Revenue Service Publication 502 describes medical deductions
in detail.
Lord Hairgel’s problem however is the further clarification of this ‘code’
(oh the antiquated language is telling, dude) in the form of
IRS Section 213d – Eligible Medical Expenses (read it for yourself,
I have children and a job)
The trick here is he listed his asset as a business expense (his claim).
(he won’t show them, but Harry’s got them) He also listed said horse as
an eligible medical expense (very sleazy). He can’t do both. So at some
point when the hangman catches up, he’ll have to file an Amended
Return (much more egregious than ‘tax-cheat Tim Geithner’, as Fox
screeches daily) and pay a penalty. In my professional opinion,
he cleverly skated, but I believe skated over the line from tax cheat
to Tax Fraud. And that would be my testimony, if asked.
In NO way are people like this to be trusted with sharp spoons,
much less $trillions in public funds. The End. I’ll Stamp that.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:09 pm
Nunna Yobinnes — “Joe – tax breaks for the wealthy such as Olympic Horses, et al. What part of the “wealthy tax cuts” does that come from? Seems a reasonable question to me, since no such “wealth tax cut” exists.”
If you’re not wealthy enough to own and maintain a horse, then you’re not wealthy enough to take advantage of any tax breaks associated with such ownership. Ergo, such a deduction is unavailable to the poor.
Q Effin’ D.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:10 pm
RB – 12:07 – aaaaaaaaaaaand, again – point us to a poor person who could do the same with their dressage hobby.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
12:10 pm
Oh, so you admit that you just accepted the word of the media, versus the actual tax provisions. It’s ok to admit that you didn’t know what you were talking about.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:10 pm
RB — “Oh, I get it, you morons are upset about people taking deductions FOR BUSINESS EXPENSES, not for the “Olympic show horse deduction”.
You originally asked for examples of deductions that wealthy people could take that were unavailable to poor people. Don’t get all butthurt just because you got what you asked for.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
12:11 pm
Joe – there aren’t any such provisions.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:11 pm
“Or about every Subway franchise owner deducting for training his employees,”
who knew that franchises were hobbies … kinda like model trains …
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:12 pm
Nunna Yobinnes — “Oh, so you admit that you just accepted the word of the media, versus the actual tax provisions. It’s ok to admit that you didn’t know what you were talking about.”
Oh, so you admit that you didn’t read the entire discussion and just leapt in without context. It’s okay to admit that you haven’t a farking clue how the discussion got started or where it’s been.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:13 pm
Nunna — “Joe – there aren’t any such provisions.”
Actually, there are, and you need to read the links that were posted.
Mick
November 26th, 2012
12:14 pm
Well, missed out on the loony tune rantings of donovan who has been in hibernation since the election or for the better part of the first decade when the bushies ran up the debt and bankrupted the US by the time he was done. Then, ole bill orvis, who has been cut down a notch or two by this past election still believes in the fairy dust of tax cuts.
Just another day in paradise folks, enjoy the weather, it’s making a lot more sense then some here today…
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
12:14 pm
Just tell me where the Olympic Horse deduction provisions are.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:15 pm
“Oh, so you admit that you just accepted the word of the media, versus the actual tax provisions.”
hahahahaha … holy CRAP …
I suggest you read the Forbes analysis before you wade any deeper into waters that are already over your head.
Brosephus™
November 26th, 2012
12:15 pm
There’s more tap dancing going on here about these tax cuts than Savion Glover, Ben Vereen, Sammy Davis Jr, and Gregory Hines doing a Super Bowl halftime show.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:16 pm
Nunna Yobinnes — “Just tell me where the Olympic Horse deduction provisions are.”
Just read the links and stop being obtuse, please.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:18 pm
Nunna – “Just tell me where the Olympic Horse deduction provisions are.”
I’m sure RB will ask you to the prom – you really don’t have to suck up quite this much
in the meantime, the question was what tax provision can the rich take advantage of that the poor can’t. I do believe that dressage horses as a “business” (cough *hobby* cough) qualifies.
RB from Gwinnett
November 26th, 2012
12:19 pm
“business insider and businessweek – not to mention, Forbes – are liberal propaganda sites???”
I wonder why you skipped the Huffington Post one which was the first one I saw and replied to????
DebbieDoRight - I slept with Gen. Patreus (Not really, but i didn't want to be the only one who didn't)
November 26th, 2012
12:21 pm
Keep @ 11:44 — Women aren’t women anymore!! We’re actually aliens from the planet Fem-N-Azi; and we want men for only one thing………..that’s right…….that’s all you guys are good for. Fighting small insects and scaring away bugs!
Stevie: plus I’m sure only 50-75% of DEMS feel that way…
Stevie………you is important……………….you is different…………….you is stooooopid………….
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:21 pm
RB — “I wonder why you skipped the Huffington Post one which was the first one I saw and replied to????”
Fine. ONE liberal propaganda site, at least THREE BUSINESS sites — which YOU are ignoring. Man up and move along now, RB.
Mick
November 26th, 2012
12:22 pm
brosephus
I want bama vs. notre dame, just because nick satan would have to return to miami and face the people and press! Can’t we all just get along?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:22 pm
“I wonder why you skipped the Huffington Post one which was the first one I saw and replied to????”
because I didn’t post it – one minute after your posted your “idiot” comment, I posted the reply with the BusinessWeek article.
so … again … you going to man up and admit that Aqua is right and isn’t an idiot.
man up
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan up.
or forever be a weasel.
Aquagirl
November 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
Oh, so you admit that you just accepted the word of the media, versus the actual tax provisions
What part are you disputing? The crazy media assertions you can deduct business expenses, or the assertion Ann Romney claimed her dancing horsie as a business expense? Which of these do you believe is a liberal conspiracy theory?
The election beatdown has clearly taken its toll. You need to check and see if tinfoil is deductible as a medical expense.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
The links are on today’s blog?
williebkind
November 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
‘excellent … where to you want to start?’
Your husband’s job!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 26th, 2012
12:26 pm
The links are on today’s blog?
There’s your sign.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
12:27 pm
If Ann deducted her “Olympic Horsie” expenses, then IRS ought to audit her. Just because someone deducts something doesn’t mean it is legitimate.
stands for decibels
November 26th, 2012
12:27 pm
hear hear–here:
None of this rhetoric from either side will cure a crisis that doesn’t exist.
Small adjustments in the tax code will fix Medicare and SS and ceasing
war will adjust the budget. No one else on the face of the earth sees the
US economy in a crisis and the Grandchildren are doing fine. I agree with
bigbill beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.
I’m pretty sure that this^^^ is about the only thing worth reading in this comments thread.
(After my perfectly rational stuff farther upthread, of course.)
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:28 pm
Nunna Yobinnes — “The links are on today’s blog?”
Yes. And we’ve been TELLING you to go back and catch up on the argument before you make more of a jackazz out of yourself.
If you want to hang out in the hole RB’s dug for himself today, that’s your lookout, but I had thought you were smarter than that. Now please go back and catch up on the discussion and the links.
stands for decibels
November 26th, 2012
12:28 pm
backlash SHEETZ
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
12:28 pm
I got tired of looking after following the first five or six links, with no reference whatsoever to the Olympic Horse deduction.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:28 pm
“The links are on today’s blog?”
like I said – you really don’t want to go wading into water that’s over your head.
this argument started on page 2 around 10:00 … I suggest you spend some time doing some remedial reading.
RB from Gwinnett
November 26th, 2012
12:29 pm
Joe, “You originally asked for examples of deductions that wealthy people could take that were unavailable to poor people. Don’t get all butthurt just because you got what you asked for.”
Anybody can go buy a $500 horse, train the horse to compete in the Olympics, and take the exact same deductions the Romneys took. But you already know that, don’t you? Just sounds better to the ignorant liberal masses if you make it out to be a rich people’s Olympic show horse tax break doesn’t it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
November 26th, 2012
12:30 pm
SHEETZ!
DebbieDoRight - I slept with Gen. Patreus (Not really, but i didn't want to be the only one who didn't)
November 26th, 2012
12:30 pm
Joe: If you’re not wealthy enough to own and maintain a horse, then you’re not wealthy enough to take advantage of any tax breaks associated with such ownership. Ergo, such a deduction is unavailable to the poor
Gad gummit Joe! You and Usink need to stop making sense when talking to the Conned!! How many times do I have to TELL you this?
You want the conned to understand something? Then you have to speak to them in THEIR language — the language of crazy.
OK here goes:
Hey ya’ll, This is how it worked back when my pappy was his pappy’s baby boy. Ain’t nuthing changed since then but a bug on a rug! That there deductions are taken cause them there people have them horses. Now poor folks has them horses too; however they can’t feed them. so that’s why they’s poor. so that’s why only them there richness folks can afford them.
So thats why they need the deduction!
And as Miss TEen South Carolina 2007 would say: I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don’t have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our [children].
Now I bet that ^^ made sense to the Conned. and THATs how you talk to a Conned.
Stop trying to elevate them to your level. Dumb it down.
That’s gonna be our new pledge for 2014’s election — “Dumbing It Down For The Conned”
Duh!
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:31 pm
OT but apparently hilarious. Did anyone watch this last night?
http://theclicker.today.com/_news/2012/11/25/15430480-lindsay-lohans-liz-dick-suffers-from-unintentional-hilarity?lite
We’re down with the zombies on Sunday nights, but it sounds like this movie would make a great drinking game.
larry
November 26th, 2012
12:31 pm
I dont know why everyone is worried about Romney’s taxes. Last year’s budget deals effectively gutted the IRS so bad , their ability to go after tax cheats is non-existent.
That’s 366 billion dollars yearly.
So even if Romney is cheating on his taxes while yours truly and others pay theirs , we wouldnt know about it. So I’m not worried about it anymore.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:32 pm
RB — “Anybody can go buy a $500 horse”
FAIL
(laughing, pointing)
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:32 pm
“I got tired of looking after following the first five or six links, with no reference whatsoever to the Olympic Horse deduction.”
then you really do have reading comprehension problems that are beyond help.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:33 pm
“Anybody can go buy a $500 horse, train the horse to compete in the Olympics, and take the exact same deductions the Romneys took. But you already know that, don’t you? ”
good thing those horses don’t need shelter … or food … or shoes … or training … or saddles … bridles … veterinary medicine …
the stupid runs far deeper with you than I ever suspected..
F. Sinkwich
November 26th, 2012
12:34 pm
RINO’s are dupes.
Sure, they’ll get a Bookman “Profiles in Courage” award plus an invite or two to a Sally Quinn Georgetown cocktail party for throwing conservative principles under the bus, but come election time the Dems and MSM will still call them racists, homophobes, granny-killers, etc. And the country will continue its downward slide to euro-socialism.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 26th, 2012
12:35 pm
Fish Sammiches for lunch!
Jerome Horwitz
November 26th, 2012
12:35 pm
Looking forward to seeing you kicked to the curb willieb.
Brosephus™
November 26th, 2012
12:39 pm
dB
As far as Social Security is concerned, you don’t even need to touch the tax code. If our so-called “job creators” did what they are labeled as doing, we could fix social security by creating enough jobs to account for the baby boomer retirement period. That’s the main stress that SS is feeling. We haven’t been creating jobs over the past 4 decades.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 26th, 2012
12:42 pm
DebbieDoRight – I slept with Gen. Patreus (Not really, but i didn’t want to be the only one who didn’t)
November 26th, 2012
12:21 pm
Are you suggesting my suggestion that maybe 50-75% of liberals think obama is savior and messiah is heavy or light?
Best if you could be clear on your response instead of going for the attempted comedic post…
you so funny!
independentiii
November 26th, 2012
12:42 pm
Why hasn’t Norquist been charged with blackmail or extortion?
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
12:43 pm
OK, I found the article. They got a $50 loss for tax purposes on a $77,000 loss. That $50 just put the US economy over the edge.
Nunna Yobinnes
November 26th, 2012
12:45 pm
If they weren’t wealthy, they would be able to deduct the full $77,000 loss. I don’t see the “tax break” here.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 26th, 2012
12:48 pm
Nunna – 12:43 – make sure that, when you move the goalposts you lift with your knees.
the point isn’t the amount – the point is that they can avail themselves on a deduction (regardless of size) that the poor cannot.