Fox News exposed on its own turf
What happens on Fox “News” if you challenge one of their most-cherished narratives?
If you’re Tom Ricks, author, Pulitzer Prize winner and former military affairs reporter for The Washington Post, the interview ends abruptly and you’re sent quickly packing, probably ensuring that you will never see Fox air again.
Nicely done, Mr. Ricks. (Transcript below).
It got me to thinking, though. Back in the day, David Allan Coe had a country hit titled “You Never Even Called Me by My Name,” which he claimed was damn near the perfect country song. All it lacked was a mention of “momma, or trains, or trucks, or prison or gettin’ drunk.” So Steve Goodman, who had co-written the song with John Prine, sat down to write Coe a new closing verse. It went like this:
“Well, I was drunk the day my momma got out of prison,
And I went to pick her up in the rain.
But before I could get to the station in the pick-up truck,
She got runned over by a damned old train.”
So … what would be the perfect Fox “News” non-story? If you were a Fox “News” producer, and you wanted to dream up the segment that would punch every button for your audience, what would it be?
The Benghazi attacks were carried out by the New Black Panthers to recover evidence that Obama had really been born in Kenya?
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TRANSCRIPT:
JON SCOTT (co-host): Pressure mounting on the Obama administration over its response to the deadly attack on our consulate in Benghazi, as [Fox News correspondent] Catherine Herridge reported just minutes ago. Several top GOP lawmakers are backing off their criticism of U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, instead focusing on the White House. Two senators even expressing concerns about a possible White House cover-up. Let’s talk about it with Tom Ricks. He is author of The Generals. He has spent decades covering our military. He joins us now.
Senator John McCain said in the past he would block any attempt to nominate Susan Rice to become U.N. — I’m sorry, secretary of state. She’s currently the U.N. ambassador. He seems to be backing away from that. What do you make of it?
RICKS: I think that Benghazi generally was hyped, by this network especially, and that now that the campaign is over, I think he’s backing off a little bit. They’re not going to stop Susan Rice from being secretary of state.
SCOTT: When you have four people dead, including the first dead U.N. ambassador — U.S. ambassador in more than 30 years, how do you call that hype?
RICKS: How many security contractors died in Iraq, do you know?
SCOTT: I don’t.
RICKS: No. Nobody does, because nobody cared. We know that several hundred died, but there was never an official count done of security contractors dead in Iraq. So when I see this focus on what was essentially a small firefight, I think, number one, I’ve covered a lot of firefights. It’s impossible to figure out what happens in them sometimes. And second, I think that the emphasis on Benghazi has been extremely political, partly because Fox was operating as a wing of Republican Party.
SCOTT: All right. Tom Ricks, thanks very much for joining us today.
RICKS: You’re welcome.
– Jay Bookman
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Jm
November 27th, 2012
7:24 am
Oooo
New mobile view
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
7:30 am
UnU @ 7.20, I remember seeing that and laughing profusely. And then reading (in Advertising Age? maybe) that actual Soviets were very offended and made their feeeewings known.
Which, I guess, made it even funnier.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 27th, 2012
7:30 am
Good morning campers!
Benghazi Coverup. WMDs. Greet us as liberators. Mental Recession.
Socialist. Anti-American.
Just another lie.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
7:31 am
dB – 7:30 –
you’re right – that does make it even funnier …
Alex
November 27th, 2012
7:31 am
Hey ‘Stevie Ray’, if FOX truly had balls they would have asked Ricks to ‘please elaborate’ on his comments, instead of shutting off his mic.
AU Liberal in ATL
November 27th, 2012
7:32 am
Fox serves a very specific purpose for those who watch. It gives them validation, not information. Those people are predisposed to a particular ideology and Fox just reinforces what they already believe. Facts, truth, news and actual information do not figure into the equation. I know someone who thinks Obamacare dictates that micro chips be implanted into people who take advantage of it. Guess where she got that tidbit of “news”. Mr. Ricks only said on the air what most of us already know.
GT
November 27th, 2012
7:32 am
The Republicans are just coming in from a cold war with Democrats where for the last four years their total existence was to obstruct and hinder the daily operations of government. The public recognizes it and it shows in the polls. The GOP has put on false fronts, lady spokespersons, black keynote speakers, but at the end of the day you can return to FOX to see the raw mini rallies of propaganda and the lack of intellectual foundation this disingenuous and in many cases anti American, sold out mob really represents. I also think the rest of the club that tunes in like a strip club audience ain’t fixing the problem they are the problem. We all suffer so these people can play cowboys with big hats and no cattle.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
7:32 am
“Mental Recession” ???
I think I missed that one …
what the heck is a mental recession?
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
7:33 am
New mobile view
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if you are viewing this on an iPad or tablet
you are
getting
verrrrrry
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sleeeeeeeeeepy
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you will embrace Krugthulu
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you will reject austerity
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spend to put people to work
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3% unemployment target
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Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 27th, 2012
7:33 am
USinUK,
A Xmas song…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NKHJ64qRR8
TaxPayer
November 27th, 2012
7:34 am
One hundred and one percent of Fox statistics are made up on the spot.
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
7:36 am
it’s the willfull gullibility that gets to me. I guess that’s why I reacted quite as viscerally as I did upthread to F. Sink’s idiotic non-fact about the homicide rate in Chicago.
We all have our triggers. That’s why I try to disappear whenever our resident racists start spewing their crap here.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 27th, 2012
7:38 am
USinUK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NVjq2py7BA
Phil Gramm, McCaim economic advisor campaign 2008
JamVet
November 27th, 2012
7:43 am
Morning, peeps!
The upshot of this post is that Fox News is doing great work. In that they are further damaging the GOP brand with their cowardly stunts, loathsome personalities and the on-air silencing of opposing voices.
Certainly the more rational and reasonable people in this country are fed up with losers like Karl Rove and Ann Coulter.
And their best days as a viable alternative for something other than laughably hyper-partisan, far right wing, globally cooled, the GOP can do no wrong nonsense is likely behind them.
Look no further than the insane comments from the Thin Guy last night regarding NPR.
These peoples are whack jobs and they want their whack job news.
Let them have it.
As long as they keep getting whacked every other November, it is all good…
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
7:45 am
Look no further than the insane comments from the Thin Guy last night regarding NPR.
but it IS Nazi radio! I start goose-stepping as soon as I hear that Morning Edition theme music, don’t you?
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
7:48 am
That’s why I try to disappear
there’s a Radiohead song for that.
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 27th, 2012
7:51 am
This just in———-
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Somalians can INDEED still risk private wealth on Intrade.com.
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lol
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 27th, 2012
7:51 am
USA!
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USA!
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USA!
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lol
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
7:53 am
dB
I’ll have to make sure to play that one when I’m on my way out the next time…
Tundra Dude
November 27th, 2012
7:56 am
Phil Gramm, McCaim economic advisor campaign 2008
O…I…C…
I thought MR is what happens when all yer football teams lose over the weekend…
No biggie, I’ll go to therapy, get over it…maybe
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
7:58 am
NPR (Nazi Propaganda Radio)
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Klick-und-Klack.
gtt
November 27th, 2012
7:58 am
The AJC is going to serve a conservative market niche with a new website. Eric Erikson is the leader in the clubhouse to be its helmsman.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 27th, 2012
7:59 am
Tundra Dude
November 27th, 2012
7:56 am
My team remains undefeated.
Go Irish!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
7:59 am
Corbin – ohsweetjeebus … I’m crying!! that’s brilliant (and has already been shared)
Tundra Dude
November 27th, 2012
8:03 am
GG
My team remains undefeated.
Go Irish!
Ya, I saw that…good game!
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:03 am
Corbin, UnU, I only wish Ian Dury were still around to cover that Xmas classic.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:03 am
Granny G – 7:38 – for fun, go to The Goog and look up “2008 no recession” … oh, my …
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:05 am
did someone say Ian Dury???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIMNXogXnvE
(why don’t you get back into bed)
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:07 am
The AJC is going to serve a conservative market niche with a new website. Eric Erikson is the leader in the clubhouse to be its helmsman.
So the AJC will be ok with him referring to a Supreme Court justice as a “goat f###ing child molester”, as was CNN?
hey, whatever it takes to build an audience.
fair and balanced
November 27th, 2012
8:08 am
Anybody see an expose on Paula Bradwell and her lover on Fox News? With all that Beghazai hype over there and the two love birds compromising the CIA and putting out false stories or classified stories about CIA prisoners in Benghazi, I would expect Fox to be all over it. Of course Bill Clinton and Monica was a bigger danger to National Security wasn’t it? Something about that cigar????????????
Georgia
November 27th, 2012
8:08 am
Punch button lyrics: “I was stoned on gov. pot the day taxby came out of the blue closet……..
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:09 am
You’ll have to pardon me. See, I’m so old that I can remember when publicly calling a sitting Supreme Court Justice a “goat f###ing child molester” would be a career-ender for a political pundit, and I guess I’m still a stick-in-the-mud that way.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:11 am
“Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Klick-und-Klack.”
alex
November 27th, 2012
8:13 am
Good morning
Cup of STARBUCK’S Christmas blend ( add 1/2 and 1/2 )
Gonna miss the “car Guys”
GT
November 27th, 2012
8:16 am
With Schapiro gone maybe O will get serious about cleaning up Wall Street.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:17 am
” Cup of STARBUCK’S Christmas blend ( add 1/2 and 1/2 )”
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ….
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:18 am
“cleaning up Wall Street.”
man.
talk about your Augean stables.
JohnnyReb
November 27th, 2012
8:18 am
Jay, I see you are still marching to the Obama drum with no regard for accuracy.
A crowd protesting a uTube video does not attack with heavy weapons. The CIA reports it is a terrorist attack, but for political reasons that is not reported to the people. It did not fit in the Obama killed OBL, Al Qaeda almost gone, look-what-I-have-done election runup spin.
So the guy blasted FOX while on FOX. It’s his opinion. At least they aired it. A study showed MSNBC ran not one positive story about Romney the last week or so before the election.
The problem with America going down the toilet is closely tied to journalisim becoming too political. You are a big piece of that.
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
8:19 am
“Actually if you are into facts and not fiction, the Obama administration has much catching up to do to come even close to the Reagan ”
TBS, picked a poor comparison as the country enjoyed economic prosperity after recovering from the Carter administration and great success in foreign affairs i.e. the defeat of the Soviet Union. No such accomplishments for Obama.
DannyX
November 27th, 2012
8:19 am
Stands, Erikson would be perfect for a “nonpartisan,” “anti-propaganda,” “heartland conservative” website, they can call it “fair and balanced”.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:20 am
“So the guy blasted FOX while on FOX. It’s his opinion. At least they aired it.”
because it was LIVE
then they quickly ushered him off camera and called him rude.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 27th, 2012
8:20 am
I guess y’all saw this…
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:21 am
Gonna miss the “car Guys”
Yeah. They shifted seamlessly from new material to retreads at the end of (I think it was) October. As a longtime fan, I was a little miffed that they didn’t give us geeks some closure by doing a proper on-the-air farewell.
But I shouldn’t complain. Their staff have families to feed, and they can certainly coax another coupla-three years or so out of this. (They continue to do their weekly column and update their website, so there’s still that.)
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 27th, 2012
8:21 am
Tundra Dude
November 27th, 2012
8:03 am
What are your thoughts of playing UA or UGA? I can’t get a read on the skill postion players excepting that talented linebacker…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:21 am
“the country enjoyed economic prosperity after recovering from the Carter administration and great success in foreign affairs i.e. the defeat of the Soviet Union. No such accomplishments for Obama.”
the country enjoyed 2 recessions
a crack epidemic
the birth of AIDS
and a deficit balloon that makes the Obama deficit look like a party favor.
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
8:22 am
These asinine attacks on Fox News helps greatly in understanding how and why Democrats are so easily duped.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:22 am
Corbin – 8:20 –
– thanks! I missed that
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 27th, 2012
8:23 am
JohnnyReb
and investigators should never compromise an ongoing investigations….
that is unless political gain is more important to you than national security
The GOP has gone soft on security and YOU are a big piece of that.
(at least a cat will scratch up some litter to cover their crap you….not so much)
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 27th, 2012
8:23 am
Judging by his Nom de Blog, I think Johnny Reb is going to have a hard time letting go of the Benghazi thing. He’s still lamenting the Civil War…
JohnnyReb
November 27th, 2012
8:24 am
re, Starbucks. Their new commercial where they arrange for a couple’s daughter to unite with them for the holidays is a perfect example of Liberalism run wild.
Supposedely the couple are frequent customers and Starbucks wanted to help them out.
People of character who can’t afford to reunite with their family don’t spend money at Starbucks then turn to someone else for money to help them with other things.
It’s all about priorities, but somehow the Left does not get that.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:24 am
“These asinine attacks on Fox News helps greatly in understanding how and why Democrats are so easily duped.”
this asinine comment explains how easily the duped are … well … duped.
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
8:25 am
“and a deficit balloon that makes the Obama deficit look like a party favor.”
Obviously facts both past and current escape your knowledge.
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:25 am
I guess y’all saw this…
A sombrero woulda worked too, of course.
JKL2
November 27th, 2012
8:26 am
jamvet- Men may not get all they pay for in this world; but they must pay for all they get.
Sound like Frederick Douglas would really hate those OWS idiots and obama. When the party of handouts win, we all lose.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
8:26 am
**helps greatly in understanding how and why Democrats are so easily duped**
Or, helps greatly in understanding why republicans are so misinformed. Kind of like being told by fox how romney was going to win, many here believed that nonsense in face of all the reputable polling…
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 27th, 2012
8:27 am
Stevie Ray,
As Georgia football fan, I can safely say that if the Bulldogs make no mistakes, have no penalties, have no incomplete passes, sacks, or negative yards of any kind, they will lose by seven points. Otherwise it will be like taking a dull knife to a gun fight. ‘Bama wins, either way.;
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:27 am
UnU, don’t forget nine months of >10% unemployment under Saint Ronnie. that was awesome too.
JohnnyReb
November 27th, 2012
8:27 am
Granny – the adminstration changed and covered up facts to avoid embarrassment prior to the election. Just like most of the rest of Barry’s campaign was lies and pop-culture BS. If you want to continue to live in la-la land just because you don’t like Republicans, you have that right. I just wonder want it will take for the Left to wake up about the guy and his thugs.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:28 am
” Their new commercial where they arrange for a couple’s daughter to unite with them for the holidays is a perfect example of Liberalism run wild.”
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I stopped reading.
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:28 am
but Mick, the national polls, ’specially Gallup, they always got it right in the past!
I don’t think anybody anticipated a breech in the levees.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
8:30 am
** great success in foreign affairs i.e. the defeat of the Soviet Union. No such accomplishments for Obama.**
I dunno, getting bin laden certainly is a success in my book…
DannyX
November 27th, 2012
8:30 am
Viva Ronaldo Reagan, Los Padre de Estados Unidos!
Thanks for the big Democrat victory Ronnie! 3 generations of Mexican-Americans really came through for the Democrats. Love the amnesty.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:31 am
dB –
“UnU, don’t forget nine months of >10% unemployment under Saint Ronnie. that was awesome too.”
and let’s not forget how he really showed the terrorists who killed the Marines in Lebanon (by attacking Grenada)
and arms for hostages
and the Contras
and the drug wars in S. America
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:31 am
He’s still lamenting the Civil War…
I think you have to refer to that 1861-1865 conflict as “The War of Northern Cruelty and Aggression and Total Disregard for our Right to Endlessly Enslave Humans in the Western Territories” for our J-Reb to acknowledge you.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
November 27th, 2012
8:31 am
JohnnyReb
November 27th, 2012
8:27 am
Granny – the adminstration changed and covered up facts to avoid embarrassment prior to the election. Just like most of the rest of Barry’s campaign was lies and pop-culture BS. If you want to continue to live in la-la land just because you don’t like Republicans, you have that right. I just wonder want it will take for the Left to wake up about the guy and his thugs.
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Balderdash
TaxPayer
November 27th, 2012
8:32 am
Obviously facts both past and current escape your knowledge.
Tell us, does your mirror respond to your comment.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:32 am
and, of course, one of the things I’m ever-so proud of … Reagan’s support of the Pinochet regime.
JKL2
November 27th, 2012
8:32 am
stands- UnU, don’t forget nine months of >10% unemployment under Saint Ronnie. that was awesome too.
I would say “It’s Carter’s fault” but then Reagan didn’t see the need to make excuses for everything like obama does.
Four more years of “It’s Bush’s fault”. Now that’s a plan for prosperity we all can believe in…
DannyX
November 27th, 2012
8:33 am
Fox News, your place for “unskewed” news!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:33 am
“I dunno, getting bin laden certainly is a success in my book…”
and getting us the heck out of the tar baby that was Iraq (and working on Afghanistan)
alex
November 27th, 2012
8:33 am
attacking the “car guys” (not really an attack, kind of a whine)
complaining about parents reuniting with their children
HO! HO!HO!
It’s gonna be a rough day in Bookman land……
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
8:34 am
” Kind of like being told by fox how romney was going to win, many here believed that nonsense in face of all the reputable polling”
First of all contrary to what the left wing propaganda machines told you Fox polling did not predict a Romney win and if you were paying attention the “reputable polling” wasn’t all that reliable as most failed to accurately predict the effectiveness of the DNC ground game in the battleground states. The national vote was close as predicted by most polling organization.
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:34 am
Are they going after Starbucks AGAIN? Last time I heard anything like that, it was residual whingeing about one (1) NYC franchise manager who’d apparently charged 9/11 responders for bottled water.
I knew a guy who was still boycotting them for that specific reason FIVE YEARS later.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 27th, 2012
8:34 am
Scout,
Had to pull this off of the Maddow Blog because Fox News wouldn’t post it, but…
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/15/14452120-the-wrong-issue-for-the-wrong-candidate?lite
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:36 am
JKL – 8:32 – really??? are you sure you REALLY want to hang your hat on that assertion???
“”The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted.”"
Ronald Reagan, 1983 SOTU
“”To understand the State of the Union, we must look not only at where we are and where we’re going but where we’ve been. The situation at this time last year was truly ominous.”"
“In the last six months of 1980, as an example, the money supply increased at the fastest rate in postwar history 13 percent. Inflation remained in double digits and Government spending increased at an annual rate of 17 percent. Interest rates reached a s taggering 21 1/2 percent. There were eight million unemployed.”
&
“First, we must understand what’s happening at the moment to the economy. Our current problems are not the product of the recovery program that’s only just now getting under way, as some would have you believe; they are the inheritance of decades of tax and tax, and spend”
&
“Now the budget deficit this year will exceed our earlier expectations. The recession did that. It lowered revenues and increased costs.”
Ronald Reagan 1982 SOTU
so you might want to retract your incredibly erroneous post.
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:38 am
Reagan didn’t see the need to make excuses for everything like obama does.
I don’t really have to dig out Reagan’s speeches when he blamed his economic woes on Carter, years after taking office, do I?
(and a little freebie from the clue fairy–when you use superlatives like “everything” as you just did, you kind of invite people to take you down, because, you know, you’re going to be factually incorrect almost every time you do.)
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:38 am
oops, too late!
TaxPayer
November 27th, 2012
8:39 am
Four more years
Life is good. Unless you’re a Republican.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:39 am
dB – 8:38 – tag!
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:40 am
A crowd protesting a uTube video does not attack with heavy weapons.
this^^ actually gets funnier with repeated viewing.
TaxPayer
November 27th, 2012
8:40 am
Reagan didn’t see the need to make excuses for everything like obama does.
I see the conned are posting more excerpts from Fox “news”.
JKL2
November 27th, 2012
8:41 am
USinUK- and getting us the heck out of the tar baby that was Iraq (and working on Afghanistan)
Thanks President Bush.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 27th, 2012
8:41 am
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think.
November 27th, 2012
8:27 am
Yeah, I’m a UGA alum…Two thoughts that make me wonder…first, UA seems more vulnerable than in past years…we match up well at skill positions. But UA has been there many times…I have a tendancy of projecting gloom, doom, and despair based on our lack of victories in big games..I do not think this we be an easy Bama win…unless we turn the ball over or get manhandled at line of scrimmage on both sides…both are real possibilities…whoever wants it the most but I’m not getting all fired up expecting anything other than a UA win but a tighter game than most expect.
I think either team will fare well against ND..
TaxPayer
November 27th, 2012
8:42 am
Reagan didn’t see the need to make excuses for everything like obama does.
He just did it for the fun of it.
JKL2
November 27th, 2012
8:42 am
taxpayer- Life is good. Unless you’re a Republican.
Yes, all rainbows and unicorns here in obamaland…
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:43 am
>> Reagan didn’t see the need to make excuses for everything like obama does.
> I see the conned are posting more excerpts from Fox “news”.
[shudder] Can’t you just hear Dick Morris’ hideously raspy voice saying that?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:43 am
“Thanks President Bush … for getting us stuck in those mires”
there you go – you seem to have left out a few words.
DannyX
November 27th, 2012
8:44 am
“Thanks President Bush.”
Things are that bad for Republicans.
Mick
November 27th, 2012
8:45 am
**f you were paying attention the “reputable polling” wasn’t all that reliable as most failed to accurately predict the effectiveness of the DNC ground game in the battleground states.**
Two points: Nate silver was absolutely correct all along and obama’s ground game was strategic and tactically smarter and stronger than romney’s. They had roughly the same amount of money to spend. Lucky for us, the smarter man and team are still in the white house…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 27th, 2012
8:45 am
IMO the only things we can count on are that we will never really know what happened…citing either security issues with releasing details…no way this or any administration will release anything that is unfavorable toward handling… any administration for that matter…can you imagine Bush or an arrogant BO saying they didn’t handle such an affair in the best, most effective means possible?
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
8:45 am
“Life is good. Unless you’re a Republican.”
To the contrary it will be interesting watching Obama and Democrats twist in the wind as the voters finally understand the looming financial disaster that this administration has ignored in favor of vote pandering.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:45 am
“Things are that bad for Republicans.”
seriously – you know you’re grasping at straws when you come out with a statement like that!
Welcome to the Occupation
November 27th, 2012
8:46 am
stands: “it was residual whingeing about”
What? Whingeing?
Are you British or something?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
November 27th, 2012
8:46 am
Stevie Ray,
As a betting man, I would take ‘Bama straight up, and against Notre Dame, I’d take whoever got the spread. The Irish are tougher than they look. Take a hard look at their schedule.
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:48 am
Two points: Nate silver was absolutely correct all along
BTW–anyone else hear Obama name-check Nate for the traditional turkey pardon?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
November 27th, 2012
8:48 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:24 am
In fairness, I can safely say that while Fox has certainly been a GOP juggernaut, they are about equal in negative statements about BO as MSNBC is about Bush and Romney.
Fox gets under more LIB nerves because they get a larger market share..Big mistake is that the general public can’t distinguish between news and entertainment..
Brosephus™
November 27th, 2012
8:48 am
Dang it. I shoulda popped some popcorn this morning for breakfast. This is quite entertaining…
Recon 0311 2533
November 27th, 2012
8:49 am
“Lucky for us, the smarter man and team are still in the white house…”‘
“Lucky”…I guess Democrats must believe that bad luck is still luck because it’s better than no luck at all.
stands for decibels
November 27th, 2012
8:50 am
Are you British or something?
oi! yer.
(I’m a Brit trapped inside the body of a born/bred-on-the-Great Plains kid. Kinda like Ray Davies’ Muswell Hillbilly in reverse.)
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
November 27th, 2012
8:52 am
Stevie – “In fairness, I can safely say that while Fox has certainly been a GOP juggernaut, they are about equal in negative statements about BO as MSNBC is about Bush and Romney.”
juggernaut??? their on-air staff CAMPAIGNED for Romney. Literally.
could you imagine the howls if any of the networks did that???
“Fox gets under more LIB nerves because they get a larger market share..Big mistake is that the general public can’t distinguish between news and entertainment..”
No, they get on my t!ts because they lie. It really is that simple – they twist facts to suit their needs, they skew visuals, and they out-and-out lie to their viewers. and, yes, the general public that watches that bollocks laps it up like it’s mother’s milk.