Coming home for the holiday

A day to enjoy family and friends. Happy Turkey Day to all.

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That was a lovely picture. I think of the ones, isolated, poor, berfit of friends, the floatsam and jetsam of society. They are in need of a friendly greeting, an acknowledgement that they are worthy of being part of humankind.

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my airplane window pictures are generally crappy. but your girl’s is really nice. is there some talent there?

h.t.g.

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And it’s a great picture. Atlanta is really beautiful in the fall.

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Thanksgiving, it’s a ritual sacrifice……with pie !!

Normal, why did you change your name?

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That’s the best part of the flight – landing safely!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2RNe2jwHE0

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About time to put the bird in and start the gravy…………. But first buttermilk biscuits for the girls.The one who got up early to make the neighbor a pumpkin pie, (after making 2 last night for a friend) and the girl who is finishing up her 13 mile Turkey trot.

Ya’ll have fun.

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wet wiccan

November 22nd, 2012
10:12 am

I changed it because I was tired of being the only “Normal” one around here. The name I have now has much more personal meaning to me.

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Cobin, no matter!

What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
by any other name would smell as sweet

Back at ya with some festive holiday music…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFvth5GWFSw

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JAY

Nice! Nothing quite like seeing them coming home all grown and on their own…you and the Missus try not to get too misty-eyed where they can see you, anyway.

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Our contribution to the feast is packed and ready to put in the car and off to the next generation’s shindig for round two of the festivities.

So much to be thankful for, so much we, our own families and our own society, have overcome to be here happy, healthy, and joyful in time and place.

Wishing each and every one of y’all the very best today…

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Thanks blog guys for much entertainment since last Turkey Day and hope
we are all here to celebrate next year.

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Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think

November 22nd, 2012
11:02 am

wet wiccan

November 22nd, 2012
10:12 am

I changed it because I was tired of being the only “Normal” one around here. The name I have now has much more personal meaning to me.
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I wondered who wiccan was talking to. I also wondered who the hell Corbin Sharpe was lol. But being dense I didn’t make the connection.

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Nice view of Big A out the plane window, thanx Jay.

Speaking of which I saw the new Denzel Washington movie Flight couple of days ago. Not sure I ever want to get on an airplane again.

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indigo

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Well, it’s time to kick off my soulful Christmas, and as always, I do it in this order here…

#1 RunDMC – Christmas in Hollis

#2 James Brown – Santa Claus Go Straight to the Ghetto

#3 Clarence Carter – Back Door Santa

Now, it’s time to pop a beer and watch a bit of Black College Football. Hope everyone’s Thanksgiving has been a great one so far.

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so operating an electronic device under 10000 feet against the orders of the crew? well done.

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“so operating an electronic device under 10000 feet against the orders of the crew? well done”

I would appear someone’s Thanksgiving wasn’t so happy. Glad it wasn’t me!

I like a late Thanksgiving dinner, so the bird just went into the roaster. 90 minutes to go! (and for those who missed my post yesterday, not it’s not a turkey…since it’s just me this year, I’m doing a “mini” dinner and roasting a Cornish hen)

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Corbin Sharpe

Okay. But I knew it was you! (smile) As far as being the only “normal” person posting here, don’t hide your light! But Jamvet is right, a rose by any other name…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMBU4kR70z4

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“Damn Doggone, I DID miss your post yesterday. You would have been more than welcome to come here.”

Thanks Fred, I appreciate it…but I don’t usually accept invitations to dinner. Because of my stomach problems there’s a LOT of stuff I can’t eat, that a lot of people really like. And anyway, it was a nice, quiet, peaceful day for a change!

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DOGGONE

You could’ve been at home with the feast we just got home from…whatever your taste could desire and whatever your system could tolerate would’ve been in that spread!

FRED
Were your ears burning earlier?

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josef

That 6:12 just went into my favorites.

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Well, just got back from the finest Thanksgiving dinner I have ever said. Have to report I really hurt myself at the dinner table…just couldn’t stop eating….

I sincerely hope all y’all had as wonderful a Thanksgiving as I did.

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Ah ……………………… more Arab Spring I see:

“Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy issued an order essentially allowing him to run the country unchecked until a new constitution is drafted. Protesters in Cairo and political rivals expressed dismay over Morsy’s move.”

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/meast/egypt-morsy-powers/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

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wiccan,

I really enjoyed that JCY tune.

Remember this cover of another fine song of his?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC_LQXlCYl0

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Gmare,

The application of his mantra-like conscious autosuggestion, “Every day, in every way, I’m getting better and better” (French: Tous les jours à tous points de vue je vais de mieux en mieux) is called Couéism or the Coué method.[3] The Coué method centers on a routine repetition of this particular expression according to a specified ritual, in a given physical state, and in the absence of any sort of allied mental imagery, at the beginning and at the end of each day.[citation needed] Unlike a common held belief that a strong conscious will constitutes the best path to success, Coué maintained that curing some of our troubles requires a change in our unconscious thought, which can only be achieved by using our imagination. Although stressing that he was not primarily a healer but one who taught others to heal themselves, Coué claimed to have effected organic changes through autosuggestion.[3]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Émile_Coué

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My wife and I had a pretty traditional Thanksgiving, although with just the two of us it was Cornish hens, not a turkey. Our neighbors, although not Mexican, had an all Mexican Thanksgiving dinner. Authentic Mexican, cooked by one of their teenage daughters.

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Feel ya, Jay. Have a great family holiday.

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The flaps clearly indicate the pilot is lost. First, how does the pilot know when to turn if’n he don’t has the big chicken as a landmark to guides him? Where is that big chicken, anyway? Navigation has been set back fifty years. We’re all lucky nobody got hurt in THAT landing. And where did your daughter learn photography, from a police sketch artist? Thanks for ruining thanksgiving for everyone in atlanta, Jay’s daughter. bwa.

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Yep..having an electronics device in the on position below 10,000 feet. I hope big government tracks her down and arrests/charges her with failing to obey an airline crew. A big fine that daddy can pay would be perfect.

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Some of you forgot not all cameras are electronic, has it really been that long ago?

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My God – 7:38

That’s just wonderful. Please give us the hard scientific proof you have about God so we can all be believers like you.

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“There are only 2 countries in the world that have been built on Godly principles, the USA and Israel! For that reason, I have faith that they will survive as I put faith in God not in ANY man!”

ohsweetjeebus, you guys really have no idea what kind of d!ckheads the puritans were, do you?? try visiting England sometime and see what they did to churches up and down the country – destroying stained glass, defacing the interiors of churches … frankly, the English were glad to see them go

built on “godly principles”??? no, they were built on jacka$$es that thought that THEIR way to worship was the ONLY way to worship – “religious freedom”, my fuzzy white butt.

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Mick – 8:45 – finally went to see Canterbury Cathedral last year – was completely enraged when I heard about all the beautiful woodwork, stained glass and artifacts that the Puritans destroyed. Plus, even in the small parish churches all over the country, beautiful carvings of the saints were defaced (quite literally) by the people who thought that the Anglican church was still too Catholic for their liking.

so, the whole myth of “religious freedom” is just that. a myth.

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Savannah was started by people Oglethorpe got out of the debtors prisons.
North Georgia by people coming from Pa., Virginia or the Carolinas who had not done well.
Australia was a penal colony.

Puritans were up north. Making money by bringing slaves to the South by boat. Nice people.

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Georgia

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I thought you had gone looking for the Big Chicken.

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Judging from the position of the flaps, they were on final approach from the east and landing to the west.

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Looks like Kennesaw Mountain on the upper left part of the picture. Plane would have to be flying east to see Kennesaw.

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I’m getting better in every which way but loose. That saying is a mantra, and like a prayer, can induce a self-reflective stupor which can affect a person in the same way the serenity prayer does. I’ve read the serenity prayer a hundred times and I still don’t know what it means. Sorry, it makes no sense. It’s like an excuse to be a jerk: “Hey, I can’t change myself, man, but I can change you.”

Oh brother.

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Oscar – 9:13 – give this one a try – I promise, you’ll be glad you did.

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USinUK – ok. I’ll take your advice and try to catch it.

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Every day I’m getting older and balder.

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Every day millions of brain cells in my frontal lobes die off. Never to be replaced.

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Oscar
People looking for a better life have no right to take from others especially
using religion as an excuse.

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I would not want Oscar for a pilot.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMddte6yD2w

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dB – I was a good wife today – gave the mister the turkey and stuffing leftovers for his sammich to take to work.

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These labor unionists protesting at Wal-Mart should be removed from obstructing customers and they should be fined and put in jail over night. Unionists thugs want to take over and run Wal-Mart and they are outsiders in no way related to Wal-Mart employees.

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“These labor unionists protesting at Wal-Mart should be removed”

Freedom of speech for thee…but not for THEM?

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barking frog ……..”People looking for a better life have no right to take from others especially using religion as an excuse”
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A Native American view!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RwCPaZujZM

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These neocon implosions are awesome and very beneficial. (For the republic, not for them.)

Yes, lock them all up!

Along with the OWS protestors!

And while were at it, lets lock up everyone who dares stand up to corrupt power!

Long live Republican fascism.

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‘Thousands of teen girls and young women’ rush VICTORIA’S SECRET…

Somebody’s getting a merry xmas.

Oh, and drudgey spam.

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We rural Georgians eat squirrel and possum and racoon sammiches on Black Friday. We call them posquiroons. They’re kind a like turduckens but without all the feathers.

Speak for yourself . I live in rural Georgia and i dont eat none of the above.

Of course, in this state, the legislature went out of its way to make it a law that if you run over road kill, you have the right to get it up and take it with you.

Only in Georgia.

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Egypt’s prez has officially decreed he is above the law and that he cannot be challenged legally

Great

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“good grief … he sounds positively Italian”

“If the President does it…it’s not illegal” Richard Nixon

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USinner

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“No doubt, you’re the same bunch who are so desperate for a lighter shade of pale in the White House”

I think you’re a little mixed up between your left and your right

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“I think you’re a little mixed up between your left and your right”

wowsers. no kidding.

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“So, which group are you in?”

It wasn’t the reference to Israel that you got wrong.

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“It wasn’t the reference to Israel that you got wrong.”

On second thought, I retract that and stand by my first reponse…you are REALLY confused between your left and your right.

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Larry

It’s not ONLY Georgia…go pull up Cajun Justice, Season 1 episode 16… and scroll to the fracas over the road kill…

And by the way, I’ve eaten squirrel, ‘possum and ‘coon…began my Latin studies the morning after my first possum hunt, during which Granddaddy recited from memory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Possum

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OH NOES! THE DJIA HAS MOVED ANOTHER 105 PTS. AND WE ARE FCREWN!

Wait, what’s that you say?

It’s gone up 105 pts?

Never mind.

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“And by the way, I’ve eaten squirrel, ‘possum and ‘coon”

Well, I can’t match that…but I have eaten squirrel and road kill deer

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Okay, class, it’s time for a history lesson.

I only learn from MAJOR historians.

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K’CHAK

Reference to Bertram Korn, then!

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josef – nope. they’re just bombing them in their beds. saves on transportation.

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http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2012/11/breaking-palestinian-music-school-bombed-to-rubble.html

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Ruh, roh.

From the, “Don’t do as I do, do as I say do” department:

An attorney for the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) is facing some very serious charges. ADF is a “Christian” consortium of attorneys dedicated to “transforming the legal system and advocating for religious liberty, the sanctity of life, and marriage and family.” They do this mostly by filing lawsuits to undermine any progress the LGBT community makes in the pursuit of equality.

A few hours later in U.S. District Court in Concord, Biron, who is associated with a national coalition of Christian lawyers, was formally told of the federal charges against her: transportation with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, possession of child pornography and five counts of sexual exploitation of children.

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Kamchak

Uh oh..

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Do Georgians get leftover turkey at no extra cost on General Lee’s observed birthday?

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Pecan pie for lunch. Yum.

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Oscar
leftovers are sloppy seconds…

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USinUK

You are beyond communication on this particular point and there is no point to be served in working myself into a dither with remedial education and perspective. You either know nothing of the conditions of the Warsaw ghetto or, as the Holocaust deniers would, ignoring the gruesome details of history. I am not out to offend you and, as you know, you are one of my favorite people on the blog, but in this instance you are simply a fool.

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indigo

The charge of anti Semitism is unfair on USinUK…she’s playing directly into the hands of the anti Semites, but unwittingly and ignorantly, not with malice aforethought. She’s buying a party line replete with its slogans without considering what it is she’s doing…

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If the border between Egypt and Gaza can be opened to allow trade and result in improvement in the economy of Gaza then there may be some hope for peace in the future. Most pragmatic way I see to advance.

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Oscar:

If today you granted total autonomy to Gaza and gave the entire West Bank back to Jordan including all of Jerusalem ……….. in about two weeks the emboldened Islamists would be trying to drive Israel into the sea.

Translation?

“NEVER AGAIN” !

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SCOUT

With all due respect, don’t overuse that Never Again…that is not what is at work in the events of the last few days and to use it there undermines its true meaning. It is not now, nor has it ever been, a specifically “Jewish thing.” One of the most poignant and signifcant uses was when survivor Elie Wiesel raised it as the cry in the Bosnian conflict…

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Looks to me as if real progress is being made in the West Bank and the majority there have no desire for war with Israel.
The majority of people in Gaza I believe feel the same way. If they have hope for a life there where they can raise their families they will be satisfied.
Minority in West Bank, Gaza don’t agree. And some Jews in Israel believe the West Bank and Gaza are for Jews only. But these people are not the majority.

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Lee was the best general the yankees had. Read his wartime letters.

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“doing that cheapens the meaning of the phrase”

Not neccessarily. Most people who use that phrase don’t stop to think that “never” is a long time and mostly out of their control. In the context it’s usually used, “never” is relative…not absolute.

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Georgia – Don’t know what is in his letter, but Lee sure screwed up at Gettysburg. His whole strategy of invading the north was a bad plan from the beginning.

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“(but your non-answers are no surprise)”

Here’s the fun part of the blogosphere: we’re not obligated to answer your inane questions just because you asked them

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josef

Two words, both of them english: “never” “again”.

Don’t recall that anyone has exclusive rights to those two words.

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I will NEVER be hungry AGAIN. -Scarlett O’Hara

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josef:

I must respectfully disagree.

Since God called Abraham and set apart a chosen people to redeem mankind through His Messiah, Satan has sought to destroy them. Satan has failed and Messiah will return one day to finally put an end to those attempts ……… eternally.

Until that day:

“I will plant Israel in their own land, ‘NEVER AGAIN’ (emphasis added) to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the LORD your God.” Amos 9:15

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“I will plant Israel in their own land, ‘NEVER AGAIN’ (emphasis added) to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the LORD your God.” Amos 9:15

And yet…they were. Even to God “never” is relative, not absolute

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Many Bible scholars believe Amos chapter 9 is a prophecy fulfilled in 1948.

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Doggone/GA – joseph

With some here, you can shoot from the hip and they won’t even know it.

I’m not one of them.

If I’m unable to answer a question, you’ll know it. Unlike you, I don’t engage in mental gymnastics.

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Many people believe the moon landing was staged in Northern Arizona.

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Georgia

November 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm

Lee was the best general the yankees had. Read his wartime letters.
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Yeah for the North. He lost the war through sheer stupidity at Gettysburgh and by invading the North to begin with.

He wasn’t a pimple on Longstreet’s butt when it came to tactics.

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Oscar

November 23rd, 2012
2:25 pm

Many people believe the moon landing was staged in Northern Arizona.
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They are dumber than dog squeeze.

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“If I’m unable to answer a question, you’ll know it. Unlike you, I don’t engage in mental gymnastics.”

Well, since I wasn’t the only one who noticed your poor reasoning skills…you might stop to consider that “mental gymnastics” and a nimble mind are preferable to “reasoning” that leads you to confirm your own prejudices.

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Oscar

November 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

Georgia – Don’t know what is in his letter, but Lee sure screwed up at Gettysburg. His whole strategy of invading the north was a bad plan from the beginning.
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LOL Oscar, I should have scrolled down. you beat me to the punch.

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PBS featured Margaret Meade bio recently. She begged her publishers not to publish her novel. She wrote it backwards too. She came up with “Frankly, my dear, I’m going to build a dam.” before she came up with “I dont know nuthin bout birthin no babies.” What a writer. She was not no hack, like we gits now. She wrote it for herself, not expecting an audience. And she becomes writing diety for resisting her impulse to make Brett Butler a stinking vampire. Thank the lord on this thanksgiving holiday season.

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Barking frog: Who’s gonna give them a job? The Republican “job creators?” Will that person have to move to China and work as a slave to accept the job for the “job creators” like everyone else that works for them?

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Fred 2:35
Anyone who is hiring.

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barking frog: the “job creators” are not hiring, they are making record profits by keeping America unemployed.

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Earthly life is short, eternity is forever!

Impressed with my earlier blog responses from the left!

All is not yet lost!

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All is not yet lost!

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Are you thinking it will be some time in the future?

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Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?

That’s a damned good question…

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“Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?”

Why do 24/7 convenience stores have locks on the doors?

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All is lost. We forgive ourselves our own sins. Sure, that’s gonna fly with the man upstairs. He makes the rules, not us. We cant forgive ourselves. Sorry, but to think that you can forgive your own sin is the worst form of paganism I ever hoid. (groucho marx)

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That was twenty years ago.

Polly,

I’m pretty sure the sky diver intends to live through the landing.

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I’ve been reading glowing reviews of Spielberg’s Lincoln. Poor Speilberg. Someone he trusted leaked the tone, the look, and the sound of his movie and an enemy made Vampire Lincoln, which made millions and millions. I dont respect my fellow movie goers one iota. Readers: wanna make money? Tweet the word vampire and sell people your links. It’s really that simple. Poor Speilberg. Lincoln? what could possibly go wrong?

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And the classic one…why are directions on the drive through teller in braille?

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“Lincoln Film Is Propaganda”
–SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS

http://sonsofconfederateveterans.blogspot.com/2012/11/lincoln-film-is-propaganda.html

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“Lincoln Film Is Propaganda”
–SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS

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You really have to appreciate the business model of local news stations who send “reporters” from the Live At 5 News Action Eyewitness Doppler Radar We Care Action Action Team down to the big box stores to hype the run-up to the Black Friday sales. Add to that the related stories (“Ten Black Friday deals you don’t want to miss out on!”… “The hottest items this Christmas and why you may not be able to get any of them making you a failure as a parent!” …. “BUY STUFF! CONSUME, LITTLE PIGGIES, MORE MORE, CONSUME!!!“) and then the same local news program can spend all day on Black Friday running poorly-shot cell phone footage of shoppers gone apesh*t with crap-lust, which allows the Most Trusted Action News-Anchors In The Tri-State Area to put on their serious concerned-faces while asking: “…tsk-tsk-tsk, what have we become?“… because They Care.

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“You might not should have ought to have been going to be fixing to do that…”

And then on top of that, there are local variations on the same word. Everyone around here is familiar with ya’all. How many have even hard youins or yins?

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Doggone

I use the ‘uns” (which I sometimes pronounce ins all the time. It is, of course, “ones,” and, yes, I have been known to use y’all-uns’s…as in “that’s y’all-uns’s problem…” That problem which belongs to two or more of you as individuals…!

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“I use the ‘uns”

I don’t think I’ve every used that one. Yins is what I grew up saying for the plural “you”. Youins gets used the further away from Harrisburg you get, until you start getting closer to New Jersey, where if morphs to something closer to youse or to New York where it’s more like youze.

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Doggone/GA – 2:28

That is exactly the kind of logic I would expect from a homeschooled boy like you.

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Doggone…

I always get urked when someone parodying the Southern dialects uses the grammar wrong. Things like using be with the third person in a situation where no Southern speaker would ever do it (it’s the subjunctive, dammit, and go check Shakespeare and the King James version of the Bible to learn how! ) and misuse of what’s called the “to be coppola” It’s an African thing and found in a number of other languages as well (Russian, Hungarian and Hebrew being examples). And don’t get me started on pronunciation,. Bred and bread are NOT pronounced the same, the first has no “drawl,” the second does…that’s why we write it with two vowels, dad gum it…

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Josef – talking about accents. I heard an interview with Ken Burns about his series about the Prohibition. He was talking about the actress who did the voice for Carrie Nation. The actress said she was born in Kentucky, but spent a great part of her life in Kansas. So did Ken Burns want a Kentucky accent, a Kansas accent…or some combination of both. Which is why SHE makes money as a voiceover actress and I don’t!

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Another of my favorites is from the original treaty with Panama setting up the Canal Zone. The English treaty says that the United States shall have jurisdiction over the territory “as if it were sovereign (over it)” The Spanish treaty says “como si fueron sobiernos…” which makes it clear that the US is NOT sovereign (over it)… territorially speaking.

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“Another of my favorites is from the original treaty with Panama setting up the Canal Zone”

That one I had not heard about!

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The English language is an example of develpment through evolution, with an absense of intelligent design.

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Don’t you all be making fun of southern accents, you all hear now. I will be a watching.

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Or the American Indians.

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josef @ 4:17

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OSCAR

I’ve been doing some digging around on the effect of the Indian languages in the development of the various Southern dialects as well as that of the various African languages..

DOGGONE

That Scandanavian influence, it accounts for the strong distinctions between the English of Yorkshire and London and Southern England. It has been so strong in Scotland that what we generally think of as a dialect has been classified as a language, Lalands…

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“I’ve been doing some digging around on the effect of the Indian languages in the development of the various Southern dialects as well as that of the various African languages”

and don’t leave out Yorkshire. There is, to my ear, a distinct resemblence betwee the Yorkshire accent and the accent I hear around here – near the mountains.

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“Her father was from Birmingham and, in addition to his Army career, was a voice coach”

Ahhh…that probably explains her ease with the accent in the movie.

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Folks been eatin’ too much turkey. Got an overdose of that tryptophan.

Fruit will off set it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5c5870ztSg

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AndcCool pic,Jay.

It amazes me when coming in on a night flight how large the ATL has grown.

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that was cool josef.

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Ain’t y’all got nothin’ better to do on Black Friday.

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moonbat

Doctor, is there nothing I can take to relieve this bellyache…?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbgv8PkO9eo

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No small fruit, no lemon twist…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9Lsd6uh-o&feature=related

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DOGGONE

In Mississippi we have fun with listening to the mangles of Pascagoula…but nothing quite tops the newcomers to Nawlins with Tchoupitoulas Street!

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how do you pronounce Gloucester?

the people down here say ‘gloss-stah’

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some citrus for you…listen while I play, my green tangerine…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxm19NBAcfc

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“nothing quite tops the newcomers to Nawlins with Tchoupitoulas Street!”

I bet!

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“the people down here say ‘gloss-stah’”

Like Worcester – which is pronounced Wooster. But my favorite is Chalmondolay – pronounced Chumly!

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DOGGONE, He ne ha…

And where does our word “bedlam” come from? Pronunciation of St. Mary of Bethlehem..site of the British nutward…

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Doggone

The Cajun surname Schexnayder

(Chek-shnai-der..) Some spell it Tschexsnayder…

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okay, one for you jazz aficionados…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ASTMFN-h4

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…and then, for dessert…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Ow_78bgNk

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and one fruit paying homage to another fruit…what else could it be…ALL the fruits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV9j28C7OGE

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Are Republicans beginning to throw Norquist under the bus?

Nothing riles up the tea party chattering class like a broken pledge against raising taxes.

If the senator wants to “change his mind and become a tax increaser,” Norquist said, “he needs to have that conversation with the people of Georgia.”

And we will gladly have that conversation without the input of that punk-ass Norquist.

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Jay,
An even better picture would be of YOU leaving Atlanta permanently with a picture of a plane TAKING OFF the Hartsfield runway headed for somewhere in the Middle East.

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Not sure if it is fruit, but honeysuckle is close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_3CvrKWQe0

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aw shucks, betty (smile)

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getalife,

make me turkey pot pie!

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moonbat,

“Pie, pie, me oh my,
Nothing tastes better, wet, salty and dry,
all at once – oh, well it’s pie.
Apple and pumpkin and mince and black bottom,
I’ll come to your place every day if you’ve got ‘em.
Pie, me oh my, I love piiiiieeeeeee”

http://archshrk.com/pie-song-from-michael

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Godless – I couldn’t find it either, but figure this is close enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thXpcG7lWJo&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkPlxZ7azJ4

Just in case the headline was a theme hint for the FNMT

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Why do 24/7 convenience stores have locks on the doors?

One reason is to trap shoplifters in the building while a call goes out to the local authorities. It’s pretty cool if you’ve never seen the way the security cameras interact with the lock system.

Another would be for the clerk to use the facilities, but I’ll stipulate that makes 24/7 false advertising.

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Speaking of Thanksgiving – habng in their it will be over soon.

In-laws are rodents in human guise,
They eat up my cakes and all of my pies,
Over hill and valleys, and roads and ruts,
They come for diner, I hate their guts.

—–Author unknown

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Been to Sunrise Cove?

Hiya mb! Is there still any water up there? I’m a little south of Sunrise and we’re transitioning from lake to bog. If this keeps up I’m moving back down to Tampa where they know how to keep a body of water full.

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Someday soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIgnHPqp0Dk&feature=related

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Its stinky up in here.

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Mangoes, everywhere!

hat tip/ wiccan, nice.

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Kam’s had me burrowing up in here all day.

Just sayin’

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little Kam, child, may the gerbil find a home within your colon.

Geez!

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Kam had burritos and refried beans. Oooh he is stinky.

tick tick tick.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiXjbI3kRus

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_asb0jurPE

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RIP Larry Hagman

/somebody needs to make sure Mary Crosby wasn’t handling the meds…

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Oscar

Don’t be too sure. Saxby, like all Republican politicians, will do or say anything he thinks is necessary to stay in office.

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Thankful to live in such a beautiful city in the country of my ancestors. Thankful to be an American. We should ask for the blessing of those who would seek to dissolve the union of the the great United States – that they would endeavor to ask themselves what there expression of this resolve means – that they would examine their lives, the world around them and make an honest assessment of whether the misery of such a disunion would end in a happier, more prosperous republic.
We should ask them to take the time to read a story that describes just some of the things for which we should be thankful.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/24/opinion/johnson-progress-overlooked/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

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KAM? You in town? You wanna watch the Dawgs/Jackets game? I don’t have my phone down here lol. If you do I’ll go find it.

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Fred

Grab you phone and gimme a text.

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Don’t be too sure. Saxby, like all Republican politicians, will do or say anything he thinks is necessary to stay in office.

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Don’t worry. I still woould not trust him with a three dollar bill. But at least he is talking about a tax increase and not being bound by the no tax plegde.

I keep hoping he will have some opposition and get put out to pasture but no luck so far.

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Idiot, it’s good to see that you are enjoying these post-election holidays.

Hope you and yours enjoyed your stuffed crow TV dinners!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7k5QotUznQ

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lib idiot,

bless your shriveled black heart…

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Hey, remember when the cons thought they could run anyone to beat Obama?

That was was funny.

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getalife, bring me turkey pot pie!

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LIB IDIOT

Happy Takesgiving to you and yours from your friends on the Rez…

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Lib idiot, that’s not very nice.

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Looks like Morsi is not what Egypt was looking for. If he backs off he may survice, otherwise, more unrest and violence.

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Oscar,

I think he should back down off that power grab too.

Bro,

The Dawgs will give you some competition.

SEC winner will take the Championship again.

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I’m watching the end of a football game between Grambling and Southern U. All the players on both teams look to be black.

I wonder why NBC is showing this game as though it’s perectly OK for everyone to be black?

I wonder if NBC would show a game between two teams where everyone is white?

I wonder why, after over 40 years of civil rights legislation, this double standard still exists.

I wonder why the black community doesn’t seem to understand how this is damaging any possible civil rights progress?

I wonder if they even care?

I wonder how our political leaders became so gutless that they don’t dare say a word about this?

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indigo

There is no double standard. Southern U. and Grambling U. offers scholarships and is open to any students who apply. You live in some tutti fruitti lala land if you think this society has achieved full integration. There have been White football players in the SWAC (Southwestern Athletic Conference), and there are many White students at SWAC Universities.

As a proud graduate from a SWAC school, I’m offering you a free chill pill, bro. You might wanna read up on things before you go blabbering off and putting your ignorance on full display.

I wonder why, after over 40 years of civil rights legislation, this double standard still exists.

I wonder why the black community doesn’t seem to understand how this is damaging any possible civil rights progress?

What would you say if you knew that all a White student had to do was fill out an application to one of those schools and they automatically got a full paid scholarship? You don’t know the first damn thing about HBCU’s, and it’s quite obvious from that crap you just posted.

HBCU’s offer a chance for Blacks to go to college that many of your “White” universities wouldn’t even give an application to. As I said earlier, go educate yourself first. After that, then go back and read what you posted and see how dumb it makes you look.

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I wonder if NBC would show a game between two teams where everyone is white?

I guess someone does not watch a lot of hockey.

I wonder why the black community doesn’t seem to understand how this is damaging any possible civil rights progress? I wonder if they even care?

What idiot ignorant commentary and analysis. Just more sickening tone deafness from the right wingnuts.

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BROSEPHUS

I always get tickled when some wack-o comes in with that thingie about giving preference to Black students. They have no idea that the HBCUs are under the same guidelines and pressures to broaden their student populations…

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Brosephus – “all a white student had to do is fill out an application”

On the field and in the stands, almost EVERYONE was black. This is a double standard, regarless of your denial.

Major civil rights legislation was passed in the 60’s, over FORTY FIVE years ago. That’s more than HALF a lifetime. How much longer do you propose we keep this double standard?

As for “many of your White universities wouldn’t even give an application to”, if that’s true, why aren’t Jessie and Al leading protests marches to stop such obvious discrimination.

I think you do protest too much and your reply is tinged with bitterness and racism.

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Well I also appreciate ( ) the claim that somehow the passage of civil rights legislation 40 some years ago apparently ended all discrimination immediately in the minds of wingnuts. Why just like it all ended after the civil war….. why its not like there were busing issues, integration issues, etc. You know, legislation immediately fixed it all, right?

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“No doubt your homeschooling”

Well, now we know indigo’s ultimate “insult”…since he used pretty much the same words to me yestered. Think he’ll be surprised when it falls flat?

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josef aka dweeb

If “HBCU’s are under the same pressures and guidlines to broaden their student populations”, why were almost ALL the students at Grambling today, both on the field and in the stands, black.

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“That comment makes no sense at all”

As I said…he’ll never notice

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DOGGONE

I much agree with that when it won’t matter…the comment I responded to was “how many Black faces” and it was in the same discussion as the more specific issue “in leading roles” I took the challenge of how many (no categorization) just to see for myself, since it was not something I had ever paid particular attention to. Like I said, I was surprised. Now, when you start breaking it down into categories, a more realistic picture does emerge….

INDIGO

Why? Whites are hesitant to take advantage of the offers,,,why?

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INDIGO

BTW, the head football coach at Alcorn University, Jay Hopson, is white…

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Only one racist con left on this blog?

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getalife

I think indigo is indigone…not sure. He’s like the jock itch. Just when you think you’re rid of it, it comes back.

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“Just when you think you’re rid of it, it comes back.”

Yeah, that’s his style

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getalife

I think his mama must’ve been scared by a rich, home-schooled, Black, Christian when she was carrying him…

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FROG

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“When HBCUs are outlawed, only outlaws will have HCBUs”
–Thomas George Jefferson

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to indigo

November 24th, 2012
12:58 pm
Sorry indigo , but i pay alot of dollars into the system, so it is okay to get something for it. But what is not ok (true taking) is getting much more than you pay into, or not paying into at all. You speak like a typical lib and play semantics, illogical justification, or half truths…
As for the rest of you, i was just messing with you “turkeys”… and you flip out in typical fashion when something gets to close to the truth…

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josef

I think indigo needs to go read up on Knight v State of Alabama for one. Maybe, he’d be impressed if I took him on campus and he saw all the White students in class. Maybe the fact that Alabama has it’s State Dept of Forensics located on the campus of Alabama State amongst all those Black students would make him scratch his head. He’d likely sh*t a brick if he saw the number of international students walking around the campus.

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indigo

If you make it back, take a look at some of the photos from these playing fields.

http://www.hbcuathletes.com/ssp/sports?category=nc7

Hopefully, that will make you feel better…

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http://hbcusportscentral.com/2012/08/29/white-qbs-at-hbcus-get-used-to-it/

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LSU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x5q-BmBpCwI

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getalife

That was one hell of a catch…

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Probably a more interesting question is the actual amount of social integration on ANY campus, especially those schools that have large numbers of both blacks and whites.

I don’t think that could acurately be measured as there are likely local influences that would make each campus unique.

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What is the graduation rate for LSU football team…? or Georgia or alabama, or…….

What… is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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you guys where commenting on the LSU catch, schools are for education, too much of that does not occur in the SEC football arena, Interestingly, Notre Dame is #1 in the poles and #1 in GSR. So you can have good academics and success in football.

Had a bad weekend Brosephus, man you are always a bit touchy, but speaking of chill pills you need 2.

As for you response to my question, I doubt it can’t be studied and empriric observation supports the notion that social integration rates are low, go visit any college cafeteria…Furthermore there are “black” frats and “white ” frats ….I think that is the bigger question over HBCU’s ,but does support the implicit lack of social integration

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Does a player, such as Barrett Jones, qualify as two graduates since he’s already graduated and working at finishing his master’s degree?

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No, it would be % of players…….who graduate, not number of degrees per player….

Anyway , “working at” isn’t an actual degree.

@getalife, point taken , I don’t know what % of LSU football players go to the NFL…

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@ Bro,No kidding they are a few cases of mixing, I am talking about overall percentages. Unfortunately a racist bigot who can think only in black and white, can not understand that most aspects of life are shades of grey. Most people understand that there is an implicit number on atypical occurrences, the question is HOW “atypical” is the “atypical”? As for befriending, I have actually taught professional students of a HBCU.

As for Black Masons or White Masons, in the immortal words of Kamchak”

“there’s your sign”

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I have actually taught professional students at Oxford.

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oxford, across the pond? Jolly good, I took a First in History, class of 1896…Which college associated with Oxford? I am delighted to meet an Oxford man, we must have a brandy together…

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I think, therefore I am.

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As for Black Masons or White Masons, in the immortal words of Kamchak”

In the immortal words of Brosephus… Educate yourself just a bit more in order to sound like you know what you’re talking about…

I have been a Prince Hall Mason since 1992. If you study the history of Masonry, one has to be officially chartered by a Grand Lodge in order to be considered a valid lodge. Prince Hall Masonry was founded by a charter issued by the Grand Lodge of England, the same Grand Lodge that chartered other lodges here in the US to which people, such as George Washington, were members.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Hall_Freemasonry

Relationship with predominantly white Freemasonry

For many years both Prince Hall and “mainstream” Grand Lodges have had integrated membership,[citation needed] though in some Southern states this has been policy but not practice. Today, some Prince Hall Grand Lodges are recognized by the Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) as well as the great majority of state Grand Lodges in the US and many international Grand Lodges. The situation is complicated by the level of recognition that is granted, with some lodges giving full “blanket” recognition to all Prince Hall Grand Lodges, while others put on limits with regard to issues such as “intervisitation rights” or treating the Prince Hall Grand Lodges as regular but foreign jurisdictions.[5] While no Grand Lodge of any kind is universally recognized, at present, Prince Hall Masonry is recognized by some UGLE-recognized Grand Lodges and not by others, but appears to be working its way toward further recognition.[6] According to data compiled in 2008, 41 out of the 51 mainstream US Grand Lodges recognize Prince Hall Grand Lodges. The mainstream state Grand Lodges that do not recognize Prince Hall Grand Lodges are located largely in southern states with an estimated 50% of Prince Hall Freemasons:[7] Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi, Florida, Louisiana, Arkansas, South Carolina and West Virginia.[8]

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Sorry, and a happy Thanksgiving to you, Fred !

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“It sounds good on paper and in speeches, but I don’t foresee the US ever having a completely integrated society”

No, of course not. The best we can ever do is reduce it to the minimum and minimize to near zero it’s effects. It’s based on territorial instincts and that’s an instinct as ancient as they come.

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Thanks Bro. No point in hoping for the impossible. We have to concentrate on the possible first.

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Someone was complaining that black seem to congregate with blacks and whites with whites on a voluntary basis.
And in Georgia no less. Do tell.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCLz7XQOIOQ

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Indigo – Racial matters have improved a lot since the fifties. That’s about as long as I can remember. There is no legal segregation.
But there are still different cultures between the races.
It’s mitigated somewhat by the intergration that does exist in some public schools and in the workplace. Also the Army and government.
And there is some mixture in housing, proceeding slowly.
Mixed births will continue to spread the genes around so that differences in DBA will be reduced so we will look more alike.

In some areas of the world, DNA has mixed, but the different cultures remain, based on religion and customs.
The DNA among Israel, West Bank and Gaza is probaly about the same. And the DNA of the Sunnis and other forms of Islam are similar. But the differences remain.
Probalby that wil be out future here for a long time.

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Oscar

That’s generally true. Still, just go give one example, a local TV station has a football “game of the week”. When the sports guy is shown on the field with the coach, the cheerleaders usually are shown and give a brief show. More and more, these girls are all black or white or almost all one or the other. This, of course, means the student body is almost all black or white.

This after many long years of integration.

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We ended legal forced segration sixty years ago.

Ending segration (which is a forced division) and choosing intergration (which is a voluntary inclusion) are two different things.

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Race is, at best, an artificial construct. Just what is it that makes a “race” to begin with? Oh, we accept the broad anthropological divisions of Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid, and Australoid. We argue incessantly into which of these the latest archaeological specimen of the earliest humanoids fall, each still locked into their own “we were first” mentality of trying to determine themselves somehow “superior” by laying geographic claim to some half simian cache of bones.

Just how artificial it can be even in more recent and recorded history can be seen from such things as Article 14 of the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek when, by the stroke of a pen some 6000 households went from “Indian” to “White.” A little over a century later, several million persons in the United States went from “White” to the newly created “Hispanic” overnight.

It is how we as individuals and specific “communities” relate and interact within these artificially, often enough self, imposed, which is at issue. We, as a society, are still mired in the concept of “color” as the determining factor, a holdover to a great degree from the segregation era with its 19th Century determinations as a legal construct.

As individuals we are moving beyond that. As communities and as a society, we are not.

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Brosephus, josef, Oscar, Doggone/GA, Kamachek

I hear you. And, yes, you’re all correct.

It’s just that, in studying human history, there seems to be no end to all the misery the “us and them” mentality has caused. Recent troubles in the Mideast are just one of way too many miserable examples.

Will the “us and them” mentality ever be overcome? Or, are we doomed to endless amounts of violence, hatred, mistrust and different ways of living and thinking?

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When the sports guy is shown on the field with the coach, the cheerleaders usually are shown and give a brief show. More and more, these girls are all black or white or almost all one or the other. This, of course, means the student body is almost all black or white.

You may want to do whatever it takes to avoid watching Tennessee State Univ football then… As a HBCU, their band is the traditional “show band” comprised mostly of Blacks. Their cheerleaders are usually Black, and the crowd at the football games (technically attending the game as most come for the halftime show) are mostly Black. However, TSU is a member of the Ohio Valley Conference, and has a sizeable minority, i.e. White, population because of it’s graduate programs, engineering school, and other opportunities that are provided there.

Just because you see one thing on tv doesn’t always mean that you’ll see the same thing on campus.

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Will the “us and them” mentality ever be overcome? Or, are we doomed to endless amounts of violence, hatred, mistrust and different ways of living and thinking?

Just my opinion, but in regards to football on Saturday’s, there is no “us and them” mentality. People are simply choosing to attend the games they want to. College football and “Black College Football” are similar but not one and the same. People attend the Alabama vs Auburn game to watch a good football game. People attend the Southern vs Grambling game to socialize and watch the halftime show. There just happens to be a football game going on all around them.

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Will the “us and them” mentality ever be overcome? Or, are we doomed to endless amounts of violence, hatred, mistrust and different ways of living and thinking?

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Who knows? Forever is a long time. Our difference arose because we were separated in groups for thousands of years. With more communication, contact, and in termarriage, those differences over time will be reduced and disapear.
Language is the same way. We all were separated and developed different languages. Now, many separate languages are disappearing. Still, there are a lot oc Chinese and Asians who don’t speak English. Racial differenes are similar.

Ending some differences is not going to happen overnight.

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Seems to me the incentives against complete elimination of race issues will prevent whatever total race equality (however that is defined) to happen in my lifetime…the incentives of hard core right wingers, we all know who they are, are only equalled by the shakedowns of corporations and other organizations by the likes of Jesse Jackson.

Follow the money and educuation levels and finally the total number of single parent homes…as long as the trends in each follow current outcomes, nothing will change except the cost to all of those less fortunates…of course more whites fall into this category than others..

Seems expanding difference between economic means is a key driver…as opposed the the thought than one race is superior…seems all races of menial financial means are held down..

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DOGGONE
That “territoriality” concept is certainly a valid one, but its definition can be tricky. That territory can be confined to the home or can encompass massive land expanses. Even at its most limited, the home, it can also be at work, Here is our house there exists a “corner” where the Indian totems, icons, etc. are in evidence and another where the Jewish ones on on display. Even in our “mixed” household, there is a point where we retreat into a tribal thing. For all of our 40 years as a unit, there is that time and place when and where the division is there. I will never completely identify with or even understand some of Unmentionable’s “Indianess” nor he with my “Jewishness.”

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DOGGONE

I agree wholeheartedly on the concept of xenophobia being the most correct term for what we are wont to call “racism.” With that we can move beyond the various artificial determiners and more to confronting and dealing with what is really at work and as you say, “what we are really talking about.”

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Just counting people in the US Census would be a step Forward, with no mention
of race or genealogy.

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FROG

I couldn’t agree more. I have no problem with a “census” (lower case “c”) of such categories. I have a big problem with the “Census” (upper case “C”) doing that.

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“Making the government colorblind is the only way to make the people
colorblind since the people are the government.”

I don’t agree. Yes, the government should be colorblind in it’s policies, but it can’t address the bigotry of it’s population if you make it blind to those bigotries. It isn’t counting the divisions that cause those divisions…it is the existence of those divisions that makes the counting of them neccessary.

You can’t address a problem if you don’t know it exists.

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Israel and Iran will be fighting within the next 12 months!

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Doggone/GA – “and when they are…others will take their place”

I really wish you were wrong on this.

Unfortunately, that is all too true.

In fact, this raises a most uncomfortable idea that few, including me, like to think about.

Are we such a flawed species that our self destruction is just a matter of time?

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DOGGONE, FROG

I essentially agree with you both. The data Doggone validly posits as necessary for analyzing the forms of bigotry, are not, in my opinion, the bailiwick of the official Census which was instituted to count heads for congressional representation.

As for Doggone’s point, we would be justly outraged did the Census (upper case) ask for religion of respondent, yet knowing the numbers of certain faiths is elemental in addressing disabilities and or bigotries targeting that group.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/looking-in-the-cultural-mirror/201112/what-does-the-brazilian-census-tell-us-about-race

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“the bailiwick of the official Census which was instituted to count heads for congressional representation.”

And I don’t agree. Why spend twice the money to count things that can simply be included in a census that we already HAVE to conduct?

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DOGGONE

Those categories, like, say, religion, should be the bailiwick of the NGOs that have an interest in those data. In a land driven by polls, that would not be too hard to accomplish.

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The government is burdened by the requirement to mitigate the
effects of slavery and provide equal access to the courts to all
citizens. No other bigotry requirements.

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Doggone/GA
The Census you contemplate with questions the are required to be
answered under force of law is becoming Orwellian.

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josef
The Brazilian Census article seemedt to conclude that
racial division are created by the government for its own
purposes.

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Brazil is our future with a massive corruption scandal.

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“Then, you would agree that religion should be a category on the Census? Sexual preference? Private matters, to be sure, but highly charged in terms of socio-political matters to address the inequalities and bigotries…”

I think those things should be on the Census, yes, if and when it begins to appear that bigotry on those issues is pervasive enough to possibly require governmental intervention. You may not be aware that not all questions are on EVERY census. They vary from decade to decade.

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“The Census you contemplate with questions the are required to be
answered under force of law is becoming Orwellian”

You think so? Well, yes, it has those seeds. Everything we do has both the seeds of improvement and the seeds of abuse. It’s up to us to minimize the possiblity of abuse, and make the best use of the possibility for improvement.

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DOGGONE

And not every question is on every census form…there’s the long form and the short form, so, in the long run, not everyone is counted in every category…and as to what categories to include? That’s a political bomb sure to create divisions…right now there’s an “argument” here at home with one of us thinking sexual preference should be included, the other not.

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Back in a bit…being paged…

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Go Yanks and watch out for those catholics……anyone who survived catholic schools can be a mighty tough opponent!!

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“Counting only people minimizes the possibility of abuse.”

And eliminates the chance the identify pervasive problems.

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Doggone/GA
The Census has never asked me to identify my pervasive problems
but it has asked me for information it has no need for, to assess the
number of Congressmen required, or to eliminate the residual effects
of slavery.

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getalife
probably not now but later.

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Doggone/GA – 11:30 “and we WILL disappear”

Not long ago, I saw a program on TV titled Earth 2100. The idea was to present global warming as a certainty, regardless of who or what was causing it, and to show what might happen by 2100.

Needless to say, it was not pretty. The average global temps increased, ocean levels continued to rise, droughts and floods became more and more commom and famine and starvation increased considerably. Finally, by 2080, populations were moving en masse from one border to another just to find food and water. Naturally, this caused large gun battles and countless deaths. Govts. crumbled and, essentially, it became an every man for himself situation.

Even though this was a worst case scenario, it is not out of the realm of possibility.

All we can do is just take one day at a time and be thankful this awful apocalypse has yet to happen.

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indigo
apocalyptic prognostication has endured since man encountered
the first heavy rain….and rainbow.

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“Even though this was a worst case scenario, it is not out of the realm of possibility.”

Of course it’s possible. But “possible” does not mean inevitable.

“All we can do is just take one day at a time and be thankful this awful apocalypse has yet to happen”

Taking it “one day at a time” is part of what got us INTO this situation of having to contemplate the possible outcomes of global climate change. It’s past time we got serious about thinking for the future, and not just for today.

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“So, just what do you suggest we do?”

Stop saying “it’s too expensive” to do things like researching alternate forms of energy. Yes it’s expensive. So is the alternative.

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Doggone/GA – 12:51

Perhaps you didn’t fully understand the question.

It is, what can the average ordinary American citizen do to stop increasing global warming?

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How about electric cars that drive themselves?

How about continue to invest in alternatives knowing some will fail?

How about cutting big oil welfare?

There are many things we can

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getalife

The average American cannot afford an electric car.

The average American doesn’t have money to invest.

The average American has no way of cutting big oil welfare.

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what can the average ordinary American citizen do to stop increasing global warming?

Well for Indigo, when the going gets tough, the tough apparently give up. At the immediate individual level, try replacing 5 of your most frequently used old light bulbs with LED lights (or CFC lights), improve home energy efficiency.

On a larger scale, stand up to the stupidity like those who claim “freedom” is lost when standards like light bulbs are improved. Tell the politicians climate change matters and to address it. If more stand up and say the storms, the droughts, the changes must be addressed, it will be. Demand that corporations be responsible and when they aren’t, shop elsewhere.

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Keep

I requested your email address from Fred, but it seems he forgot. If you want mine, email him and he’ll have it for you.

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Speaking of Sandy, climate change, doing something and things like that…

Following Katrina, the press and blogosphere were full of “don’t rebuild, but put them someplace else, dumb-asses.” You don’t see a lot of folks making the same suggestion about NYC and NJ. Instead, you see a lot of “do something NOW” for future protection. It’s where we put our focus and priorities, and who is it bellyaching.

Now that the effects of climate change and failure to take care of a problem before it becomes critical has reached the national hearth, it will be addressed. I fear, though, it will be addressed in a limited, “slap a bandaid on it” fashion instead of a comprehensive plan.

And, maybe it’s just me in Lalaland…but wouldn’t this be a golden opportunity for some good old Rooseveltian state infrastructural socialism to put people back to work?

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DOGGONE

“Yep. Now how do we convince the House to go along?”

That’s the $60,000 question.. First, though, is a plan to present. I haven’t seen anything yet remotely resembling on. Once that phase is approached, I’d say the Roosevelt approach might work again. Just make sure that the key reps get the pork for their constituents… it’s expensive, for sure, but it does work when nothing else will…

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eat more pizza…

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bman

Which kind? Chicago or New York?

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BROSEPHUS

I’m only half-joking when I say it sounds like a plan to me…

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“I’m afraid the most we’re going to get is a slap-dash, band-aid approach which, if you look at it long range, is going to be a lot more expensive and a lot less effective”

Yep, but to some extentat that’s a result of our “I want it now” society. We get less and less able to simply wait for things. This is one of the things that I’m a radical about. I think it explains our skyrocketing debt…but at the same time, I’m one who does NOT think that rising prices are a good thing.

Used to be you could save bit by bit for things, but now? If you save you’re quite likely to find that during that savings period the price has gone up on what you are saving for. So people bought on credit, which also increase the price of things if you don’t pay it off…but they got in that habit because it got harder and harder to save ahead of the increase in cost.

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Yep, but to some extentat that’s a result of our “I want it now” society.

I will not attempt to offer a counter to that one. 100% in agreement here.

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getalife – 1:56

I am not a con. I voted for Obama.

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Keep – 1:57

Even if everyone in America heeded your advice, it would make little difference. The whole world has to become involved if we are to stop global warming. Since you and I both know this will never happen, there is NO HELP, NO HOPE, NO FUTURE for us.

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